| 00:14.49 | tene | http://www.unifont.org/fontguide/ |
| 00:14.52 | brac | [Unicode Font Guide For Free/Libre Open Source Operating Systems] |
| 00:26.06 | findlay | I think microsoft has corrupted my roomate |
| 00:26.23 | findlay | I didn't think it possible, but now we have to deal with the consequenes |
| 00:26.57 | findlay | shows how potent the propaganda cloud is that cloaks Redmond |
| 00:28.11 | emcnabb | findlay: how did you let that happen! |
| 00:28.27 | findlay | emcnabb: it's a sad story |
| 00:29.02 | findlay | but, ultimately, there was nothing I could have done. And the droids would now be in the hands of the emporer |
| 00:37.12 | levi_home | I just finished watching season 6 of Voyager. Darned cliffhangers. |
| 00:37.19 | beandog | ooh |
| 00:37.20 | beandog | voyager. |
| 00:37.29 | beandog | I recorded the entire season on VHS. |
| 00:37.32 | beandog | er, series. |
| 00:37.52 | beandog | best Star Trek evah. |
| 00:37.56 | levi_home | We checked the DVDs out from the library. |
| 00:38.10 | levi_home | It's a great way to do it, aside from the occasional scratch. |
| 00:38.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That's ingenious |
| 00:38.14 | beandog | they have them at the library? |
| 00:38.14 | beandog | wo |
| 00:38.16 | beandog | wow |
| 00:38.30 | levi_home | There's lots of good stuff at the library. |
| 00:38.43 | levi_home | (This is the Salt Lake County library system, dunno about Utah County) |
| 00:38.47 | beandog | and the librarians are hot! |
| 00:39.05 | beandog | :) |
| 00:39.07 | levi_home | Hot librarians are irrelevant; I'm married to a hot woman already. :) |
| 00:39.19 | beandog | I really need a better hobby than making jokes on IRC |
| 00:39.55 | beandog | As my sister says, "You need a hobby that doesn't involve a screen" |
| 00:40.21 | levi_home | I recommend bicycling. |
| 00:40.35 | beandog | I would like that ... I dont know anything about bikes though |
| 00:40.49 | levi_home | The bike store can help with that. |
| 00:41.31 | beandog | I'm just afraid they'd help me out of a couple hundred bucks too much. |
| 00:42.38 | levi_home | You could get a road bike and ride with a local group, or a mountain bike and ride the singletrack. Good stuff. |
| 00:43.17 | levi_home | Where do you live? |
| 00:43.22 | beandog | west jordan |
| 00:43.28 | levi_home | Ahh, near me. |
| 00:43.35 | beandog | where are you at? |
| 00:43.44 | levi_home | I live in Sandy, right next to the River Oaks golf course. |
| 00:43.53 | beandog | Oh okay |
| 00:43.55 | beandog | coolies. |
| 00:44.47 | levi_home | Every saturday, Golsan cycles has a group road ride for all experience levels. |
| 00:44.52 | beandog | how much should a decent bike cost just for running around town? |
| 00:45.04 | levi_home | Depends on the type of bike. |
| 00:45.16 | beandog | I like banana seats |
| 00:45.42 | beandog | a mountain bike, I suppose. |
| 00:45.47 | beandog | not one of those .. what do they call em.. |
| 00:45.50 | levi_home | An entry level road bike can be had for around $700. Entry level bikes for mountain trails are probably around the same. A cruiser or hybrid would be cheaper. |
| 00:45.58 | beandog | eek! |
| 00:48.36 | levi_home | You can get started with just about any decent bike, though. Used ones are typically a great deal. |
| 00:49.36 | beandog | oh |
| 00:49.37 | beandog | okay |
| 00:49.39 | beandog | thats a good idea. |
| 00:52.10 | levi_home | craigslist seems to have a few. |
| 00:53.23 | levi_home | Looks like I'm going for a walk. |
| 01:00.22 | beandog | dont get rained upon. |
| 01:01.13 | tensai | ~spear maquis |
| 01:14.33 | levi_home | The weather was actually very pleasant. |
| 01:15.01 | levi_home | beandog: I paid >$1000 for each of my current bikes. |
| 01:15.56 | beandog | O_o |
| 01:17.15 | beandog | youre not helping the cause. :) |
| 01:17.22 | maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 01:17.30 | levi_home | Hey, consider how much you spend on a computer, and how soon it goes obsolete. :) |
| 01:18.25 | levi_home | A nice bike can be transportation, entertainment, and fitness. |
| 01:20.01 | beandog | Well my last desktop I had for about three years |
| 01:20.55 | levi_home | My mountain bike is probably about 6 years old now. |
| 01:21.12 | levi_home | My road bike is 3 or 4 years old. |
| 01:21.31 | beandog | I had better decline to comment on how much $$$ Ive dumped into it. :) |
| 01:21.39 | levi_home | Indeed. |
| 01:22.53 | levi_home | Anyway, if you find a cheap bike and discover you enjoy it, you'll probably want to upgrade as well. |
| 01:23.16 | beandog | ok |
| 01:23.23 | beandog | Ill have to start lookin around |
| 01:27.36 | levi_home | Oh, one more thing; one advantage of buying a new bike from a bike shop is that they'll help you get one that fits and adjust it to you. |
| 01:27.56 | levi_home | Having a bike that fits right is very important. |
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| 02:09.26 | levi_home | Hi, elg. |
| 02:20.24 | tensai | ~lacerate elg |
| 02:24.04 | goozbach | ~ban emcnabb |
| 02:37.04 | goozbach | pan fried+++ |
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| 02:59.08 | tensai | ~pan fry goozbach |
| 03:08.53 | levi_home | Mmm, Pearson's Salted Nut Rolls. |
| 03:16.43 | goozbach | cool! 11 out of 20 search strings that lead to my site include the words: "women" "dancing" "gorgeous" & "Rock and Roll" |
| 03:29.22 | SpecialK | must be a mistake |
| 03:29.56 | tene | google doesn't lie! |
| 03:30.38 | SpecialK | but google doesn't have to lie when it's fooled. |
| 03:36.27 | tene | How would *you* know that google can be fooled... unless you've fooled it yourself!!! |
| 03:39.31 | SpecialK | I see all the junk returns when I look stuff up. |
| 03:39.48 | SpecialK | Like click hole pages full of keywords |
| 03:47.49 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I think I know why. |
| 03:50.59 | SpecialK | okay, what's with the forced scrolling window. |
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| 07:10.33 | mheath | Sigh. Why are there so few truly great musicians anymore? |
| 07:11.00 | mheath | A radio station I listen to has an "introduction to new bands" type feature. But even that plays repetitive trash. |
| 07:11.18 | mheath | "Your influences? - Metallica, Led Zeppelin, Linkin Park" |
| 07:24.27 | tene | Mmm... Smoothie... |
| 08:35.35 | mheath | Hmm, Goodnight. |
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| 12:47.24 | goozbach | morning |
| 12:59.31 | emcnabb | morning |
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| 13:15.03 | goozbach | ibot: yes creme brulee |
| 13:16.31 | redbeard1 | mmm, creme brulee |
| 13:22.31 | redbeard1 | http://www.errantstory.com/ |
| 13:22.37 | redbeard1 | please think of the catgirls |
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| 13:58.12 | goozbach | redbeard1: it's all Canada's fault |
| 14:00.48 | redbeard1 | freakin' canada |
| 14:02.10 | redbeard1 | mental note: REGEX[~\/wallpaper] is not the same as REGEX[^\/wallpaper] |
| 14:03.26 | redbeard1 | d'oh! |
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| 14:07.39 | elg | -lart vont |
| 14:07.51 | goozbach | http://xkcd.com/c138.html |
| 14:08.08 | elg | I think I'll show that to my class today |
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| 14:18.18 | goozbach | so FYI: Blackberrys suck |
| 14:18.34 | goozbach | the interface sucks, the os sucks, the hardware sucks. |
| 14:19.01 | goozbach | the fact that their is little to no Linux support sucks |
| 14:19.11 | goozbach | s/their/there/ |
| 14:21.50 | redbeard1 | wow... i didn't realize shmula had it in for google |
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| 14:40.19 | redbeard1 | oh man, the irony |
| 14:41.09 | redbeard1 | trying to find a webmin module for mod_security, and i run across a spam blog with keywords in it for that |
| 14:41.31 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 14:41.41 | fozzmoo | did you find a webmin module for mod_security? |
| 14:41.54 | redbeard1 | i found a link for one, but it 404'd |
| 14:42.01 | fozzmoo | argh. |
| 14:42.27 | Jayce^ | bah, webmin |
| 14:42.41 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: My clients like webmin. |
| 14:42.49 | Jayce^ | bah, client |
| 14:42.54 | fozzmoo | bah, sheep. |
| 14:43.05 | Jayce^ | have you any wool? |
| 14:43.34 | goozbach | bah canada |
| 14:44.30 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you sicko |
| 14:44.48 | fozzmoo | So, I was watching the news over the weekend... and they had some Israeli guy - I think it was the deputy mayor of Haifa on the phone... |
| 14:45.05 | fozzmoo | They were asking him all kinds of questions. |
| 14:45.33 | fozzmoo | At one point, he responded by saying that they (Israel) wanted a relationship with Palestine that was like the USA's to Canada. |
| 14:46.00 | fozzmoo | And I wondered how long it had been since the guy had been here. :) |
| 14:47.05 | fozzmoo | Lounge Against The Machine. |
| 14:47.09 | fozzmoo | That's a good one. |
| 14:47.22 | fozzmoo | I wanna hear Slump Against The Machine |
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| 14:47.47 | beandog | anyone want a job? |
| 14:47.55 | fozzmoo | Sure we all do! |
| 14:48.02 | fozzmoo | Oh wait, that's make money. |
| 14:48.12 | fozzmoo | I don't want a job. I just want money. |
| 14:48.48 | fozzmoo | beandog: Wassup? |
| 14:50.11 | Jayce^ | goozbach is single |
| 14:50.20 | fozzmoo | goozbach is a kid. |
| 14:50.25 | beandog | fozzmoo: my co-workers movin on, gotta find someone to replace him |
| 14:50.32 | goozbach | kid |
| 14:50.33 | goozbach | ? |
| 14:50.35 | Jayce^ | goozbach needs a better paintball gun |
| 14:50.35 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 14:50.46 | Jayce^ | just upgrading my a5 :) |
| 14:50.47 | goozbach | Jayce^: not anymore |
| 14:50.50 | goozbach | :) |
| 14:51.07 | goozbach | I just bought the Specialops Longbow |
| 14:51.10 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you need to learn, you always need a better/ a 'nother gun |
| 14:51.18 | Jayce^ | hehe.. longbow, you' |
| 14:51.26 | Jayce^ | ll have to give your opinion of the loader |
| 14:51.39 | goozbach | g/give/get/? |
| 14:51.47 | goozbach | will do |
| 14:51.58 | Jayce^ | so yeah, I was out with the specops guys again this weekend :) |
| 14:52.02 | goozbach | punk |
| 14:52.21 | Jayce^ | riding on the back of their hummer in the mountains again.. |
| 14:52.52 | fozzmoo | Did they know you were there? |
| 14:53.00 | Jayce^ | oh yeah :) |
| 14:53.03 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 14:53.45 | fozzmoo | I want to become a better programmer. |
| 14:53.57 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, then come to plug :) |
| 14:54.03 | fozzmoo | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 14:54.05 | fozzmoo | I need to. |
| 14:54.34 | fozzmoo | This weekend, I spent some time reading up on doing OO stuff w/ Perl. |
| 14:55.00 | fozzmoo | Between reading Best Practices and Perl Hacks, I've really been feeling inadequate lately. |
| 14:55.10 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 14:55.22 | fozzmoo | I mean, I've never once written a test plan. |
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| 14:55.41 | redbeard1 | wow. this mod_security thing was a lot easier to set up than i thought |
| 14:56.38 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: Is there a framework you use for doing objects? |
| 14:57.07 | fozzmoo | Like... Class::Generate or something like that? |
| 14:57.12 | Jayce^ | nah, there are some decent ones if you want, but I tend to just follow basic principles |
| 14:57.13 | redbeard1 | goozbach: did a quick yum install, and most of the default config values were already set up right |
| 14:57.31 | fozzmoo | I noticed mod_security is in FC extras |
| 14:58.23 | fozzmoo | Jayce^: I was just wondering if there was one module that "all the cool programmers were using." |
| 14:59.01 | Jayce^ | nah, several good ones, but some require really commiting to a pattern (eg inside-out classes or such) |
| 14:59.05 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: Jayce^ wouldn't know that anyway |
| 14:59.20 | Jayce^ | ~cook redbeard1 |
| 14:59.22 | ibot | ACTION throws redbeard1 in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks redbeard1 on 350 for an hour |
| 14:59.35 | fozzmoo | And I still really have no clue what attributes are for in Perl. |
| 15:00.16 | fozzmoo | Catalyst seems to like them, tho. |
| 15:00.39 | Jayce^ | there are a bunch of things they *can* be for.. |
| 15:00.46 | Jayce^ | extensiblity really.. |
| 15:00.49 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I hate that ambiguity! |
| 15:01.03 | Jayce^ | there's more than on use for them :-p |
| 15:01.54 | fozzmoo | That makes it difficult for me to realize, "Oh, I should be using an attribute here," when I'm writing code. |
| 15:02.29 | Jayce^ | it allows you to apply standardized rules to a sub/var |
| 15:02.50 | fozzmoo | Could you ellaborate or do you have important things to be doing right now? :) |
| 15:03.07 | Jayce^ | lemme look for a good example |
| 15:04.08 | redbeard1 | o/~ riders on the storm o/~ |
| 15:04.14 | Jayce^ | http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Attribute-Types-0.10/lib/Attribute/Types.pm |
| 15:04.18 | Jayce^ | there is one usage |
| 15:04.44 | fozzmoo | I ran across something last night about automagically tieing stuff. |
| 15:04.49 | Jayce^ | http://search.cpan.org/~abergman/Attribute-Handlers-0.78/lib/Attribute/Handlers.pm |
| 15:04.51 | Jayce^ | another good one |
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| 15:05.28 | fozzmoo | So, attributes are meaningless unless you have some code (e.g. A Damian module) to harness them? |
| 15:05.50 | Jayce^ | right, the module defines what to do with that attribute |
| 15:06.22 | Jayce^ | another damian module gets rid of the EXPORTER crap, and allows you to just add attributes for your tag groups |
| 15:07.04 | goozbach | Jayce^ and fozzmoo talking about how they don't know anything about perl... |
| 15:07.16 | goozbach | my world just crashed around me |
| 15:07.17 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 15:07.47 | Jayce^ | hey *I* wasn't saying I didn't know anything (well, not here at least :) ) |
| 15:08.00 | fozzmoo | My problem is, I think, I'm just a little behind on some of this fancier nomenclature- like the 5.8 stuff. |
| 15:09.16 | fozzmoo | So, I guess the question still stands... what kind of situation should warrant the exclamation, "I should use attributes and one of these fancy damian modules for this!" ? |
| 15:09.47 | Jayce^ | well, if you want to get ready for perl6, if you want to use newer tools to clean up code |
| 15:10.00 | fozzmoo | Sure. |
| 15:10.05 | Jayce^ | if you want to take advantage of hooks that you can plugin your own rules /etc |
| 15:13.20 | fozzmoo | So, reading Attribute::Handlers pod... |
| 15:13.50 | fozzmoo | Here's an example: |
| 15:13.50 | fozzmoo | package Painful; |
| 15:13.50 | fozzmoo | use base LoudDecl; |
| 15:13.50 | fozzmoo | my $metal : RealLoud; |
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| 15:14.38 | fozzmoo | says it automatically invokes &LoadDecl::RealLoud |
| 15:14.49 | fozzmoo | In the example, this just prints out "Yeeeeowwww!" |
| 15:15.08 | fozzmoo | But that doesn't seem very useful. :) |
| 15:15.22 | fozzmoo | Could you use attribute handlers to set a default value to a variable? |
| 15:15.37 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 15:15.53 | fozzmoo | Or to pre-assign an object reference to a variable? |
| 15:16.00 | Jayce^ | or auto-dispatch certain methods when a sub type is called |
| 15:16.05 | Jayce^ | yes |
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| 15:16.40 | Jayce^ | eg in catalyst, an example is : Stashed which just auto adds that variable value into the ttk stash, so you don't have to manually do it |
| 15:16.57 | fozzmoo | What does : global do? |
| 15:17.03 | fozzmoo | That's the one I see all over in Catalyst. |
| 15:17.30 | Jayce^ | seems pretty descriptive :) |
| 15:17.30 | Jayce^ | makes a copy to the global scope |
| 15:17.49 | fozzmoo | ok. |
| 15:17.53 | Jayce^ | iirc global to the connection, so you can use it throughout forwards and such |
| 15:18.24 | fozzmoo | This is the kind of stuff more developers need to understand. |
| 15:18.39 | fozzmoo | Catalyst suffers from a learning hurdle. |
| 15:18.47 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 15:18.49 | Jayce^ | big time |
| 15:19.04 | Jayce^ | that's why they are stabilizing out... jsut as you were learning it, everything changed... |
| 15:19.05 | fozzmoo | Most people just say, "Eh, I'll stick with php." |
| 15:19.11 | Jayce^ | now it'll get better |
| 15:19.31 | fozzmoo | Yeah. DBIx::Class is nice now too. |
| 15:19.41 | fozzmoo | Nice and stabilized. :) |
| 15:20.03 | Jayce^ | yeah, I need to get a better handle on it (more than the basics) |
| 15:20.20 | Jayce^ | although audrey tangs mini layer on top of that and jifty::dbi looks *really* really cool |
| 15:20.43 | fozzmoo | Jifty sounds cool, but potentially limiting. |
| 15:20.55 | Jayce^ | it's early.. |
| 15:20.58 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 15:21.47 | fozzmoo | I need to upgrade a couple development boxes to FC5 so I can install the latest and greatest Catalyst mods. |
| 15:21.56 | fozzmoo | Maybe I'll do that today. |
| 15:22.08 | fozzmoo | Sounds like 5.7 is nice. |
| 15:22.21 | Jayce^ | that's what I'm running |
| 15:22.29 | Jayce^ | seems to be going better |
| 15:24.21 | fozzmoo | Subject change: Everyone get your tickets for this Saturday's show. :) |
| 15:24.43 | mdirc | Where does ubuntu save the configuration when I add a host using xhost <server>. TIA. |
| 15:24.46 | fozzmoo | http://purchase.tickets.com/buy/TicketPurchase?agency=TDC&pid=5810949 |
| 15:25.29 | fozzmoo | I recently found out The Depot is smoke-free. |
| 15:26.36 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yep |
| 15:26.48 | goozbach | I SO wish I was going to be home |
| 15:26.56 | goozbach | the Depot is such a cool venue |
| 15:27.08 | goozbach | EVERYBODY must go, to make up for me not being there |
| 15:27.49 | beandog | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Planet_Larry_Gentoo_Users_Blogs |
| 15:28.08 | fozzmoo | Sounds like they've got Internet access onsite... maybe I'll webcast. |
| 15:28.10 | beandog | we really need more users. Oo |
| 15:28.29 | goozbach | fozzmoo: webcast? |
| 15:28.31 | fozzmoo | beandog: If you come to the show on Saturday, maybe I'll try Gentoo. :) |
| 15:28.31 | goozbach | coo |
| 15:28.40 | beandog | what show? |
| 15:29.08 | fozzmoo | http://www.sonsofnothing.com/RockShow/gig/153 |
| 15:29.31 | fozzmoo | http://www.sonsofnothing.com/dmedia/gig/promo/thumb/50.jpg |
| 15:29.34 | fozzmoo | Powered by Linux. |
| 15:29.36 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 15:29.56 | fozzmoo | http://www.sonsofnothing.com/dmedia/gig/promo/orig/50.jpg |
| 15:30.00 | fozzmoo | (That's better) |
| 15:30.28 | fozzmoo | goozbach: You like the new FS logo? |
| 15:35.17 | goozbach | very cool |
| 15:36.08 | fozzmoo | okay. I think I need to get out of the bathtub and on my way to the office. |
| 15:36.20 | fozzmoo | ttyl |
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| 15:38.04 | atoponce | fungus: are you connected via tor? |
| 15:38.18 | fungus | No, IPv6 |
| 15:38.38 | atoponce | ahh |
| 15:38.44 | atoponce | ok. makes sense |
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| 15:41.45 | elg | grr. I updated nxclient to the new release and now neither freenx nor nomachine's nxserver work |
| 15:41.49 | elg | and I can't find the old download |
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| 15:48.36 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:51.53 | goozbach | sjansen: you'll like this: http://xkcd.com/c138.html |
| 15:52.02 | goozbach | ~crispy sjansen |
| 15:52.23 | sjansen | ~crunchy goozbach |
| 15:52.58 | sjansen | http://xkcd.com/c44.html |
| 15:53.01 | goozbach | ~gooey sjansen |
| 15:53.39 | goozbach | Warning: this comic occasionally contains strong language (which may be unsuitable for children), unusual humor (which may be unsuitable for adults), and advanced mathematics (which may be unsuitable for liberal-arts majors). |
| 15:55.31 | sjansen | ~peanut buttery goozbach |
| 15:55.33 | ibot | ACTION shoots peanuts at buttery goozbach until buttery goozbach turns to peanut butter |
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| 15:58.58 | harleypig | http://www.comics.com/comics/grizzwells//index.html |
| 15:58.59 | brac | [The Grizzwells] |
| 15:59.00 | harleypig | sfw |
| 15:59.54 | mheath | Today is officially 4 weeks to the day from when I leave. Hmmm. |
| 16:02.01 | sjansen | http://www.blogger.com/profile/20799769 |
| 16:02.04 | sjansen | nsfw |
| 16:02.16 | redbeard1 | sjansen: gah! |
| 16:02.20 | mheath | ~rlart |
| 16:02.21 | sjansen | nsfa (anything or anyone) |
| 16:02.55 | mheath | sjansen, what is that....thing?! ;-) |
| 16:03.15 | Jayce^ | it buuuuurns |
| 16:03.20 | sjansen | redbeard1: You can't say you weren't warned. |
| 16:03.32 | redbeard1 | sjansen: i can say i wasn't warned in time |
| 16:04.54 | mheath | That Grizzwells thing is pretty mundane. Hmm. |
| 16:07.32 | harleypig | Hey! I resemble that profile! |
| 16:07.45 | goozbach | description? |
| 16:07.56 | goozbach | some of us are behind activly monitored proxies |
| 16:07.58 | harleypig | goozbach: It's mine. |
| 16:08.12 | harleypig | It's a dull profile ... they're referring to my pic. |
| 16:08.20 | harleypig | (the one with the green beard) |
| 16:08.35 | harleypig | -lart sjansen |
| 16:08.37 | harleypig | -lart redbeard1 |
| 16:08.44 | mheath | harleypig, the "not safe for work" thing was a joke. |
| 16:08.47 | mheath | erm |
| 16:08.55 | mheath | goozbach, the "not safe for work" thing was a joke. |
| 16:08.55 | harleypig | mheath: I gathered. |
| 16:09.01 | harleypig | ah |
| 16:09.24 | mheath | goozbach, its just an empty profile for harleypig's blogger account. They were making fun of the pic of him with a green beard. |
| 16:09.36 | goozbach | ahh |
| 16:09.40 | sjansen | ~monitor goozbach |
| 16:09.51 | sjansen | ~redirect goozbach to goatse |
| 16:09.51 | ibot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 16:09.53 | goozbach | well I seriously must comply with NSFW notices |
| 16:09.58 | mheath | haha |
| 16:10.03 | mheath | sjansen got shot down..... |
| 16:10.11 | goozbach | ~redirect sjansen to #paper |
| 16:10.11 | ibot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 16:10.21 | goozbach | but I do! |
| 16:10.33 | sjansen | ~paper train goozbach |
| 16:10.41 | harleypig | Ok ... am I the only one who finds today's grizwell funny? |
| 16:11.09 | mheath | Probably. |
| 16:11.19 | harleypig | ~lart mheath |
| 16:11.48 | mheath | Hey. Marines don't lart fellow Marine...ermm...recruits. |
| 16:11.49 | mheath | Wait. |
| 16:12.07 | sjansen | ~shake harleypig |
| 16:12.15 | sjansen | Yup, pretty much. |
| 16:12.53 | mheath | I feel so worthless in my job right now. I think I'm going to quit that job now. |
| 16:12.57 | sjansen | Slapstick is out. Biting sarcasm and crushed dreams are in. |
| 16:13.36 | mheath | I leave in so little time now, I make so little money and have no need for it really anyway.....I'm struggling to find _any_ point to be at a job that I really don't enjoy at all. |
| 16:15.11 | mheath | The only thing I spend money on is gas and food, really. |
| 16:15.24 | mheath | Theres no point in buying anything else, really, because I can't use it anymore after a few weeks. |
| 16:18.38 | mheath | Time to go shower and leave for a double shift. |
| 16:18.43 | harleypig | That's a good attitude to take but, in reality, you won't be interested in pretty much anything you do now in a few weeks again. |
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| 16:19.31 | mheath | harleypig, huh? |
| 16:22.40 | harleypig | yeah ... that was a little confusing wasn't it .. |
| 16:23.05 | harleypig | after you graduate, most of the stuff you're interested in now, you won't be then, or ever again. |
| 16:23.34 | harleypig | Or, byt the time you graduate |
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| 16:32.59 | mheath | harleypig, graduate from what? |
| 16:33.13 | harleypig | boot |
| 16:34.15 | mheath | I wonder if that applies to computers too. |
| 16:34.29 | harleypig | When do yo go to MCRD? |
| 16:34.34 | harleypig | *shrug* |
| 16:34.35 | mheath | 4 weeks from today |
| 16:34.38 | mheath | Well, tomorrow. |
| 16:34.52 | harleypig | You'll be making the most changes in your life over the next 4 months. |
| 16:38.50 | mrpull | sjansen: still using bloglines? |
| 16:45.04 | sjansen | yup |
| 16:45.40 | mrpull | my feeds are fouled up. they keep showing the same posts again and again and again... you feeling that pain? |
| 16:45.50 | maquis | mrpull: mine too |
| 16:45.54 | maquis | well |
| 16:46.05 | maquis | actually, i think openclue is the only one that's messed up like that |
| 16:46.09 | mrpull | they don't appear to be updated |
| 16:46.31 | sjansen | I am. |
| 16:46.35 | mrpull | i expect openclue to be fouled up <hehe>, but other more mainstream feeds are screwy too |
| 16:47.15 | sjansen | Not all of my feeds, however. I just assumed openclue was messed up again and the other feeds were updating posts. |
| 16:47.57 | mrpull | i haven't found anything better, but I'm looking |
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| 17:03.24 | goozbach | xmlrpc-- |
| 17:05.05 | fungus | soap++ |
| 17:05.58 | levi | antifungal_cream++ ;) |
| 17:06.29 | fozzmoo | preparation_h++ |
| 17:07.32 | ScytheBlade1 | eww++ |
| 17:10.52 | sjansen | xmlrpc-- |
| 17:11.11 | sjansen | soap-- |
| 17:11.13 | redbeard1 | xmlrpc-- |
| 17:11.18 | redbeard1 | (seems like the thing to do) |
| 17:11.22 | sjansen | soap-=1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
| 17:11.31 | sjansen | rest++ |
| 17:12.11 | goozbach | gah!!! |
| 17:12.29 | goozbach | why won't this stupid server work?!!! |
| 17:12.40 | redbeard1 | goozbach: it doesn't like you |
| 17:12.49 | fungus | does rest have a dtd for the return document? |
| 17:13.35 | levi | http://xkcd.com/c132.html |
| 17:13.52 | goozbach | redbeard1: but I'm folowing the example from the POD to the letter |
| 17:14.47 | goozbach | maybe I should just throw in the towell and do this with python/twisted |
| 17:14.47 | mrpull | levi: have you played guitar hero? i cant imagine it is nearly as fun as everyone claims it to be. |
| 17:15.12 | levi | Nope, I haven't. I've played some similar games, though, and I imagine it's quite addictive. |
| 17:15.34 | redbeard1 | goozbach: what are you trying to do? is this the xmlrpc thing? |
| 17:16.17 | goozbach | redbeard1: yup |
| 17:16.54 | maquis | http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~dangelo/aol-search-query-logs/ |
| 17:17.04 | goozbach | I'm trying to use POE::Component::XMLRPC or SOAP to serialize the RPM information from a remote machine |
| 17:17.23 | fozzmoo | Wahoo! |
| 17:17.26 | mrpull | goozbach: you still working on a free RHN? |
| 17:17.37 | fozzmoo | Sounds like it to me! |
| 17:19.03 | redbeard1 | maquis: good old aol. |
| 17:19.11 | sjansen | fungus: It doesn't require one. Frankly, I'd use Relax-NG, not a DTD or XML Schema, though. |
| 17:19.29 | fozzmoo | rest? |
| 17:19.36 | maquis | redbeard1: yeah... the biggest problem is that 99% of their customers don't know why this is a bad thing (ro probably don't even know it occurred) |
| 17:19.45 | sjansen | rest is more of a philosophy than a standard, a reaction against the insane complexity of soap, etc. |
| 17:19.46 | fungus | If the structure of the output of REST isn't standard it sucks compared to SOAP. |
| 17:20.11 | goozbach | mrpull: yup |
| 17:20.30 | sjansen | No, SOAP sucks compared to REST because SOAP is a straight jacket that requires an alphabet soup of standards to navigate. |
| 17:20.40 | goozbach | I've been flip-flopping on what to write it in, however |
| 17:20.43 | mrpull | written in python? |
| 17:20.44 | fozzmoo | Where can I read about the REST? |
| 17:20.46 | goozbach | one week it's perl |
| 17:20.49 | fungus | With SOAP and WSDL I can use web services very simply. If I have to write a custom XML parser for each web service that is a waste of time. |
| 17:20.52 | goozbach | next week it's in python |
| 17:21.02 | mrpull | goozbach: sharing code yet? |
| 17:21.13 | fozzmoo | goozbach: If you do Perl, I can help. :) |
| 17:21.38 | fungus | whoa Mac Pro ships today! |
| 17:22.56 | Jayce^ | and the store is down..... |
| 17:23.26 | sjansen | http://www.xfront.com/REST-Web-Services.html |
| 17:23.34 | sjansen | http://www.devx.com/DevX/Article/8155 |
| 17:23.36 | brac | [Giving SOAP a REST] |
| 17:23.41 | sjansen | http://www.xmlrpc.com/rebuttalToRest |
| 17:23.42 | brac | [Rebuttal to REST] |
| 17:23.48 | sjansen | http://www.prescod.net/rest/rest_vs_soap_overview/ |
| 17:23.50 | brac | [Roots of the REST/SOAP Debate] |
| 17:23.54 | sjansen | http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/talks/webarch_9805/ |
| 17:23.55 | brac | [Representational State Transfer: |
| 17:23.56 | brac | An Architectural Style for Distributed Hypermedia Interaction] |
| 17:24.03 | sjansen | http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/03/17/udell.html |
| 17:24.18 | fungus | I'll read those later, right now I am too busy reading the wwdc live coverage. :) |
| 17:24.27 | sjansen | fozzmoo: Take your pick. You should probably read at least one point and counterpoint. |
| 17:25.41 | goozbach | mrpull: I'm still working on some design ideas. Up until this week I hadn't even sat down to start on code |
| 17:25.47 | goozbach | in other words, no |
| 17:25.49 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:25.57 | goozbach | fozzmoo: familiar with POE? |
| 17:26.12 | sjansen | Basically, it boils down to: SOAP is complicated, some of its security implications are scary, and the promise of interoperability hasn't ever fully materialized. To take full advantaged of SOAP you need an IDE that generates a bunch of code for you. |
| 17:26.36 | goozbach | what other network frameworks are there for Perl? |
| 17:26.56 | sjansen | REST thinks simple things should be kept simple. SOAP is to J2EE as REST is to Rails. |
| 17:26.58 | mrpull | goozbach: Power Over Ethernet? ;-) |
| 17:27.38 | levi | If only I had $2500 to spend on a computer. :P |
| 17:27.41 | sjansen | REST isn't the answer to everything, but it is a better answer than SOAP for many things. |
| 17:28.43 | sjansen | fungus: As for the argument that you "have to write a custom XML parser for each web service" that's poppycock and you should know it. |
| 17:29.20 | sjansen | Sure, it might be more work to use a RESTful interface with Java, but if you're using a modern language it's dead simple. |
| 17:30.29 | mrpull | it irritates me when they say two dual core cpu's is a quad system |
| 17:32.22 | levi | Why does that irritate you? |
| 17:32.28 | sjansen | They're not? Next thing you'll be telling me screens aren't as big as their specs and hard drives manufactuers fudge their figures. |
| 17:32.45 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I have been reading up on POE |
| 17:32.59 | sjansen | PoE == POE ? |
| 17:33.33 | mrpull | heheh... just rubs me the wrong way. it just doesn't seem technically accurate. |
| 17:33.39 | goozbach | http://poe.perl.org |
| 17:34.04 | levi | mrpull: Do you have some specific technical argument against it, or just a feeling that you're having the wool pulled over your eyes? |
| 17:34.19 | redbeard1 | anyone know if inkleys is still open at university mall? |
| 17:34.34 | sjansen | Depending on the chip design, two dual core != quad cpu. For example, if they share a cache. Sometimes one is better, sometimes the other. |
| 17:35.10 | mrpull | levi: no argument that i'd win :-). Other than perhaps when they share cache, memory controllers, and other components that limit the bandwidth unlike other nonmulticore cpus |
| 17:35.44 | levi | sjansen: It also depends on how you want to define 'quad system'. Two dual core systems do indeed have four cpu cores, though, as you say, the cache that each core has access to may be shared in different ways. |
| 17:35.47 | mrpull | levi: but I know you have a hell of a lot more insight into hardware than I do, so I wont try to convince you to see my way |
| 17:36.20 | levi | Calling two hyperthread cpus a quad system would be stretching things a bit too far, though. |
| 17:36.36 | sjansen | goozbach: cool! |
| 17:40.15 | mrpull | goozbach: are you reverse engineering RHN or starting from scratch? |
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| 17:40.54 | goozbach | mrpull: scratch |
| 17:40.55 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 17:41.19 | mrpull | any modifications required on the clients (beyond)? |
| 17:41.39 | mrpull | (beyond config file updates)...? |
| 17:43.07 | goozbach | mrpull: the goal is to have RHEL act as always, just point it to a new YUMAMP server |
| 17:43.38 | goozbach | and I'm currently working on a client for those systems which don't have the RHN client |
| 17:45.15 | sjansen | ~rub out goozbach |
| 17:45.26 | sjansen | ~send goozbach to sleep with the fishies |
| 17:45.28 | ibot | Go (.*?), goozbach |
| 17:45.32 | levi | Virtual desktops on a mac? No way. |
| 17:46.10 | fozzmoo | I think Red Hat knows as good as anyone they need to continue to innovate. |
| 17:46.28 | sjansen | ~silence fozzmoo |
| 17:46.30 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in fozzmoo's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 17:46.37 | sjansen | ~milk fozzmoo |
| 17:46.39 | ibot | ACTION puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, fozzmoo, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 17:46.54 | sjansen | ~fit fozzmoo for a pair of cement shoes |
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| 17:47.14 | fozzmoo | sjansen: I think you've spent WAY too much time getting to know ibot. |
| 17:47.36 | sjansen | ~torture fozzmoo |
| 17:47.37 | ibot | ACTION forces fozzmoo to support Debian GNU/Hurd in production. |
| 17:47.50 | sjansen | That'll keep you busy for a bit! |
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| 17:47.55 | goozbach | sjansen: I'm hoping for a big check :) |
| 17:48.02 | goozbach | (YEAH RIGHT) |
| 17:48.28 | sjansen | I've never heard of hockey players being used as hit men, but I suppose it could happen. |
| 17:48.36 | sjansen | ~check goozbach |
| 17:49.44 | goozbach | heh |
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| 17:53.47 | goozbach | ~check sjansen |
| 17:53.49 | ibot | ACTION slams sjansen into the glass nose first |
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| 18:08.03 | herlo | holy quiet channel batman! |
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| 18:11.33 | fozzmoo | Okay. That was fun. |
| 18:11.48 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:12.48 | herlo | sjansen: I knew everything already before you taught it |
| 18:13.26 | sjansen | ~funkybomb herlo |
| 18:13.28 | ibot | ACTION blows away herlo in a psychedelic flash |
| 18:13.36 | sjansen | ~travolta herlo |
| 18:13.38 | ibot | ACTION replaces herlo with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 18:14.50 | fozzmoo | http://www.sltrib.com/kirby/ci_4138476 |
| 18:14.51 | herlo | ~blast sjansen |
| 18:14.52 | ibot | ACTION pulls her blaster and uses sjansen for target practice |
| 18:15.09 | redbeard1 | wait, i thought ibot was a he? |
| 18:15.22 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 18:15.23 | ibot | I'm male |
| 18:15.38 | redbeard1 | ~gender |
| 18:15.39 | ibot | I'm sexless |
| 18:15.42 | herlo | sjansen: I swear that's all we do....lart |
| 18:16.25 | sjansen | Not true, I also use you as one of my many source of hardware toy tips. |
| 18:16.28 | herlo | ~randomize sjansen |
| 18:16.50 | herlo | sjansen: how's that? |
| 18:17.13 | herlo | or rather, like what? |
| 18:18.04 | sjansen | That GPS unit you pointed out. |
| 18:19.41 | herlo | oh yeah, you bought it yet? |
| 18:20.21 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: that was funny |
| 18:20.41 | sjansen | herlo: yup |
| 18:21.23 | herlo | sjansen: really you like? |
| 18:21.36 | fozzmoo | redbeard1: Yeah, Kirby has his moments. |
| 18:21.43 | sjansen | Yup. Haven't had it long. Used it for the first time Saturday. |
| 18:22.04 | mrpull | sjansen: which gpsr did you buy? |
| 18:22.07 | sjansen | If you want, you can scope out mine before committing and buying your own. |
| 18:22.38 | sjansen | Garmin GPSMap 60Cx Handhel... |
| 18:22.52 | herlo | sjansen, I'd love to borrow |
| 18:23.02 | mrpull | doh... shoulda got the 60cxs |
| 18:23.07 | herlo | its the best one for the price |
| 18:23.20 | sjansen | *shrug* Too late now. |
| 18:23.27 | mrpull | (then again, i'm a magellan guy anyway) |
| 18:23.28 | sjansen | I'll just have to steal yours. |
| 18:24.06 | herlo | the 60cxs isn't all that much better |
| 18:24.31 | mrpull | expandable storage is key to me |
| 18:24.53 | herlo | you pay 80-100 more for only a couple features |
| 18:25.10 | herlo | mrpull: 60cx has expandapble |
| 18:25.34 | herlo | hence the "x" |
| 18:25.35 | mrpull | herlo: ah, you are right... |
| 18:25.44 | mrpull | the S is for the new sirf chipset |
| 18:26.24 | herlo | mrpull right Its a bit faster I believe |
| 18:26.56 | mrpull | which _is_ nice by the way... i've got a little bluetooth gpsr that has the same sirf chipset as the 60cxs. it locks a lot faster than my explorist600 |
| 18:27.22 | mrpull | herlo: do you geocache? |
| 18:27.40 | herlo | yeah, that's nice but 4 the price I can wait |
| 18:28.03 | tristanbob_ | who maintains the Linux DHCP client? Is it in the kernel? |
| 18:28.13 | mrpull | true. i'm a dope and buy expensive things... then later feel dumb about it. I insisted on buying the ex600 when the ex500 would have been just fine |
| 18:28.15 | fozzmoo | Not in the kernel. |
| 18:28.19 | nick125_lappy | tristanbob_: I don't think its in kernel, and, I *think* ISC |
| 18:28.23 | fozzmoo | There are a couple different userspace. |
| 18:28.25 | fozzmoo | clients. |
| 18:28.29 | herlo | mrpull: haven't yet but looking forward 2 it |
| 18:28.34 | goozbach | dhclient? |
| 18:28.38 | fozzmoo | dhclient |
| 18:28.42 | fozzmoo | pump can be a client, I think. |
| 18:28.46 | tristanbob_ | nick125_lappy: ISC makes dhcpd... also the client? |
| 18:28.53 | fozzmoo | sure. |
| 18:28.56 | fozzmoo | dhcpdc |
| 18:28.59 | nick125_lappy | tristanbob_: they have a client too |
| 18:28.59 | herlo | dhclient |
| 18:29.27 | tristanbob_ | herlo: sounds like the votes are for dhclient (could this be the next family feud question?) |
| 18:29.29 | goozbach | http://isc.org/products/DHCP/ |
| 18:29.31 | nick125_lappy | net-misc/dhcp-3.0.4-r2 (/sbin/dhclient) |
| 18:29.33 | herlo | pump is built into anaconda |
| 18:29.44 | mrpull | herlo: there are a bunch up the nebo look that are fun (IIRC you are from those parts) |
| 18:29.54 | mrpull | s/look/loop/ |
| 18:30.21 | herlo | tristanbob: could be |
| 18:30.55 | herlo | mrpull: I feel much like an outsider these days... so much travel |
| 18:31.36 | mrpull | urban geocaching could be a fun way to kill time in other cities |
| 18:31.43 | mrpull | (something other than eating :-) ) |
| 18:31.55 | mrpull | http://www.geocaching.com/seek/gmnearest.aspx?lat=39.95832&lng=-111.69303 |
| 18:31.56 | tristanbob_ | yes, looks like dhclient is made by ISC - I will look into it further at their website |
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| 18:39.43 | mdirc | ubuntu -- how do I apply changes to /home/someuser/.bashrc. I tried opening a different teminal window and "su - someuser", but I do not see the changes. I only see the changes when I source .bahsrc. How do I permanently apply the changes? |
| 18:40.09 | Robdor | midrc: source .bashrc |
| 18:40.44 | mdirc | but I have to do that every time I start a terminal, even I don't have any new changes. |
| 18:41.05 | Robdor | Are you using bash as your shell? |
| 18:41.06 | goozbach | o/~ welcome to my world o/~ |
| 18:43.36 | mdirc | Robodor: bash, but I am opening the terminal as user1, and then I do "su - user2", but the changes made to .bashrc last time around are not reflected. However if I just do "su user2" then they are. |
| 18:44.41 | Robdor | Does "su -user2 -shell=/bin/bash" work? |
| 18:44.48 | Robdor | oops --shell |
| 18:45.50 | mdirc | Robodor: nope that does not work. |
| 18:54.24 | Robdor | mdirc: I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that .bashrc is for non-login shells (like opening up konsole or whatever) and su's "-" switch makes su handle the environment as if the user logged in? |
| 18:54.38 | Robdor | just a guess... |
| 18:57.00 | mdirc | Robodor: su's - option does treat it as a login shell, so is .bashrc_profile for login shells |
| 18:57.37 | Robdor | could be, but my .bash_profile call .bashrc if it's available. |
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| 19:01.36 | mdirc | Robdor: Thanks |
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| 19:02.59 | Robdor | np |
| 19:03.09 | vontrapp | ptoo |
| 19:03.13 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
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| 19:11.03 | vontrapp | -lart python |
| 19:13.46 | vontrapp | only there can it be undone |
| 19:13.53 | vontrapp | brac, good job |
| 19:23.58 | amcnabb | vontrapp, what did python do to you? |
| 19:24.38 | nick125_lappy | yeah, what did python do to deserve that? |
| 19:24.57 | amcnabb | Larting emcnabb is one thing, but python is another. |
| 19:25.50 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 19:26.20 | vontrapp | it irks me |
| 19:34.54 | herlo | -nerd vontrapp |
| 19:36.29 | vontrapp | of course, i'm going to hate anything that's not ruby :( |
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| 19:37.06 | elg | argh. I can't figure out why nxserver won't work on falcon but works great on gwythaint |
| 19:37.18 | elg | falcon is debian, gwythaint is ubuntu |
| 19:38.17 | herlo | -lart herlos sleepyness |
| 19:38.59 | mrpull | oh geeze... another default-reply-to-list thread |
| 19:39.28 | elg | what, and I didn't even get to start it? |
| 19:39.53 | herlo | mrpull: doesn't that suck? |
| 19:39.57 | mrpull | nah... it is on python-tutor. they'll never end. |
| 19:40.27 | herlo | -lart reply-to-list munging |
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| 19:51.45 | vontrapp | how is the enum type stored internally in mysql? |
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| 19:51.59 | vontrapp | foo enum('la','ti','do') |
| 19:52.17 | jsmith | ~lart MySQL enums |
| 19:52.27 | jsmith | vontrapp: They're stored as an integer |
| 19:52.43 | vontrapp | why lart them? |
| 19:55.33 | jsmith | Because it's stupid |
| 19:55.47 | jsmith | Enums are a hack for doing things in a normalized form |
| 19:55.59 | vontrapp | normalized what? |
| 19:56.14 | vontrapp | or the like |
| 19:56.30 | vontrapp | somebool enum('on','off') |
| 19:57.58 | herlo | jsmith: what's wrong with that (shouldnt you be packing?) |
| 19:58.52 | graphyx | hey herlo |
| 19:58.54 | graphyx | Whats the word? |
| 19:59.22 | herlo | well sure if you're into that sort of thing... |
| 19:59.25 | jsmith | herlo: 99% of the time you're using an ENUM, you should be putting the ENUM values in a seperate table and doing a JOIN |
| 19:59.32 | herlo | graphyx: yeah |
| 19:59.44 | jsmith | herlo: Show me where in the SQL '99 spec it talks about ENUMs? |
| 19:59.53 | herlo | jsmith: okay |
| 20:00.07 | jsmith | herlo: ENUMS are nothing more than a cheap hack |
| 20:00.12 | herlo | jsmith: it doesn't |
| 20:00.52 | herlo | jsmith: but they make life easier |
| 20:01.19 | jsmith | Most hacks do |
| 20:02.15 | herlo | jsmith: that's my point |
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| 20:17.10 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 20:22.05 | Supaplex | fun |
| 20:36.12 | sjansen | ruby++ |
| 20:39.06 | Jayce^ | nice, osx leopard has DTrace now... |
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| 20:43.06 | redbeard1 | today's lesson: extended warranties on newegg are apparently useless |
| 20:43.35 | fozzmoo | Oh really? |
| 20:43.37 | redbeard1 | i've started writing down call times, and rep names and extensions |
| 20:43.39 | sjansen | redbeard1: really? do tell |
| 20:43.50 | redbeard1 | so, i bought a dvd player in feb |
| 20:43.58 | fozzmoo | brand? model? |
| 20:44.01 | redbeard1 | plays mpg, avi, it's been really nice |
| 20:44.07 | redbeard1 | um. lasonic 7050 |
| 20:44.15 | fozzmoo | oh- so El Cheapo. |
| 20:44.28 | redbeard1 | el cheapo is right. so i bought a 2 year warranty. |
| 20:45.02 | redbeard1 | cover my bets, right? |
| 20:45.38 | fozzmoo | sure. |
| 20:45.46 | redbeard1 | i figured i'd get at least a year out of it before it crapped out... and $15 for a replacement of a $50 dvd player isnt bad |
| 20:46.04 | redbeard1 | last week, it decided not to power on for more than 3 seconds at a time. so i guess i was 6 months off. |
| 20:47.17 | redbeard1 | newegg won't do an rma unless i ship it back in the original box, which i threw out a couple of months ago, thinking i wouldn't need it. so now i get to rely on the warranty, which promises on-site service, and guarenteed replacement after 4 failures |
| 20:47.37 | Supaplex | heh |
| 20:47.38 | fozzmoo | Oh man, the ole original box thing. |
| 20:47.53 | redbeard1 | but my service contract apparently never made it to the provider. so i faxed in a copy of the receipt. |
| 20:48.39 | redbeard1 | so far, i've been transferred to newegg (who won't help me), "accidentally" hung up on, promised callbacks with no follow-through, etc |
| 20:49.16 | redbeard1 | it makes me wonder if they've contracted packard bell to do support or something |
| 20:49.17 | Supaplex | sounds like cihost's network guarantee |
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| 20:55.49 | beandog | packard bell |
| 20:55.49 | beandog | lols |
| 20:57.27 | redbeard1 | yeah |
| 20:57.30 | redbeard1 | good old pb |
| 21:00.05 | redbeard1 | next time, i'm just gonna save up to build a mythtv |
| 21:00.42 | beandog | save up your patience, your sanity, your hair.. |
| 21:01.47 | redbeard1 | parts may be more expensive, and i'll have to do pretty much all of the support myself, but at this point, that's sounding like a much better deal |
| 21:08.21 | elg | just playing stuff isn't too bad |
| 21:08.33 | elg | it's when you start with tv capture that you lose your hair |
| 21:08.44 | nick125_lappy | haha |
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| 21:38.25 | vontrapp | eek |
| 21:38.33 | vontrapp | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| 21:38.33 | vontrapp | Database error was: |
| 21:38.35 | vontrapp | Table './mythconverg/oldrecorded' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| 21:38.37 | vontrapp | this from mythtv |
| 21:38.49 | vontrapp | how do you repair a crashed table? |
| 21:39.58 | elg | by using sqlite |
| 21:40.24 | beandog | heh |
| 21:40.42 | beandog | thats great. :) |
| 22:00.09 | jsmith | By moving to pgsql? |
| 22:00.26 | jsmith | OK, go use myisamchk |
| 22:00.36 | jsmith | Unless it's not a myisam table |
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| 22:07.37 | beandog | no, they use myisam Im pretty sure |
| 22:20.56 | vontrapp | yep, myisam |
| 22:21.00 | vontrapp | and it's fixed. thx |
| 22:21.12 | jsmith | np |
| 22:21.33 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 22:22.33 | vontrapp | *beep beep* |
| 22:30.52 | vontrapp | hmm, i enabled the userdir apache2 module |
| 22:31.00 | vontrapp | now it says "Forbidden" |
| 22:31.06 | vontrapp | to ~/von |
| 22:31.12 | vontrapp | er, ~von |
| 22:33.56 | elg | ls -ld ~von |
| 22:34.14 | vontrapp | hmm, ok it was an old .htaccess' fault |
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| 23:09.57 | findlay | fozzmoo: so you think you're weirder than me? |
| 23:10.11 | fozzmoo | I have no idea. |
| 23:10.31 | fozzmoo | I mean, I know people who are weirder than me. |
| 23:10.42 | fozzmoo | Why do you think you're so weird? |
| 23:11.00 | findlay | don't know |
| 23:12.37 | findlay | probably derived from the reactions people have |
| 23:13.18 | fozzmoo | Are you physically weird? |
| 23:19.57 | findlay | that's a weird statement |
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| 23:26.21 | vontrapp | stinkin wireless |
| 23:28.06 | vontrapp | so if i do: |
| 23:28.52 | sjansen | vontrapp: Does your broadcom still work? Mine stopped about 3 weeks ago and hasn't worked since. |
| 23:29.07 | vontrapp | IO.popen("dot", "r+") {|dot| dot.write str; p dot.read} |
| 23:29.16 | vontrapp | it hangs forever |
| 23:29.29 | vontrapp | maybe i need to write eof to it |
| 23:29.37 | vontrapp | sjansen: yeah, don't say that |
| 23:29.49 | vontrapp | ~curse sjansen |
| 23:29.51 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, sjansen ! |
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| 23:49.58 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 23:56.48 | elg | -lart findlay |
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