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| 01:49.12 | levi_home | Hmm, a $15/hr contracting job? |
| 01:51.08 | tene | Is there any way to coonvince flash player on linux to have good audio/video sync? |
| 02:00.51 | maquis | tene: doubt it |
| 02:00.58 | maquis | levi_home: 15$/hr |
| 02:01.12 | maquis | aren't contracting jobs generally like 4 times that? |
| 02:01.16 | levi_home | maquis: Yeah, the 'opportunity' on the Plug list. |
| 02:01.22 | maquis | ah |
| 02:01.24 | maquis | fun |
| 02:01.47 | levi_home | If you want someone competent, yes. |
| 02:01.58 | levi_home | Mmm, time for dinner. |
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| 02:14.25 | rsimpkins | blasted. argh. |
| 02:14.36 | maquis | huh? |
| 02:14.52 | rsimpkins | maquis: My NickServ script I use. Just having difficulties with it. |
| 02:16.03 | maquis | rsimpkins: ah |
| 02:16.55 | maquis | elg: how are you planning on making it? |
| 02:17.02 | elg | with brick |
| 02:17.02 | rsimpkins | With bricks? ;) |
| 02:17.20 | maquis | inside your apartment? cut into the wall of the apartment? |
| 02:17.21 | maquis | etc? |
| 02:17.30 | elg | If I can make it "portable" (i.e. it could be moved) I don't think they can say anything |
| 02:17.35 | elg | no, in the backyard |
| 02:18.28 | emcnabb | just don't burn the place down |
| 02:18.35 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 02:18.40 | emcnabb | haha |
| 02:19.38 | elg | or I could go new mexico style and make an horno |
| 02:19.38 | elg | http://www.primitiveways.com/adobe_horno.html |
| 02:19.39 | brac | [Adobe Horno] |
| 02:19.57 | elg | although I'd probably still use regular bricks as I don't have much soil to make adobe out of |
| 02:20.56 | emcnabb | -lart levi_home |
| 02:21.14 | levi_home | -lart emcnabb |
| 02:21.35 | emcnabb | ouch |
| 02:22.06 | levi_home | Ha ha! |
| 02:23.42 | emcnabb | ~lart maquis |
| 02:23.48 | maquis | huh? |
| 02:23.51 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
| 02:23.55 | maquis | ouch |
| 02:24.21 | tensai | elg: I saw a video of guys who made a brick oven in their apartment. hang on... |
| 02:25.19 | tensai | http://www2.digitaldistractions.org:8080/torrents/Food%20Jammers%20-%20S01E08%20-%203D%20Pizza.torrent |
| 02:25.30 | rsimpkins | I'm going to suggest that asking your manager and getting a "no" is better than doing it and getting an eviction notice. |
| 02:25.45 | tensai | the series is crap, but it was funny when their oven filled their house with smoke |
| 02:25.59 | elg | well if it's portable I'm sure they would just say get rid of it |
| 02:26.05 | elg | and we would |
| 02:26.16 | elg | (store at a friends or something) |
| 02:26.20 | elg | or sell it |
| 02:26.22 | rsimpkins | You could probably build one on the back of a trailer with ease, if it has a good steal base on it. |
| 02:26.59 | rsimpkins | I knew a guy with a distillery. He was the Stake President. |
| 02:27.07 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 02:27.07 | elg | ha |
| 02:27.11 | rsimpkins | He had that on the back of a trailer too. :) |
| 02:27.38 | levi_home | What'd he do with the products of his distillery? |
| 02:27.49 | rsimpkins | levi_home: Dump it on the ground. |
| 02:28.26 | rsimpkins | He owns one of the few legal distilleries in Kentucky. |
| 02:28.40 | rsimpkins | Of the old-timley variety. |
| 02:28.48 | elg | then why do it? |
| 02:28.59 | rsimpkins | For education, re-enactments, etc. |
| 02:28.59 | levi_home | Is it fun to distill alcohol or something? |
| 02:29.10 | tensai | if you're a chemist |
| 02:29.38 | rsimpkins | His family had an old history in the stuff, and the distillery he had was passed down from father to son for a couple generations going back. |
| 02:29.45 | rsimpkins | So it was sort of a historical item. |
| 02:30.17 | rsimpkins | But it apparently made very good moonshine, but older accounts. :) |
| 02:30.26 | levi_home | Heh. |
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| 02:36.29 | rsimpkins | I'm going to restart irssi a trillion times, back later. :) |
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| 02:40.40 | elg | tensai: that torrent ain't working |
| 02:40.55 | tensai | elg: the tracker sucks eggs |
| 02:41.03 | tensai | elg: sometimes it works, sometimes it don't |
| 02:41.18 | tensai | elg: if I still had a copy I'd post it for you |
| 02:41.21 | elg | if i give it some eggs will it work? |
| 02:42.05 | tensai | worth a shot |
| 02:47.00 | elg | how much does a piano weigh? |
| 02:47.07 | levi_home | Lots. |
| 02:48.18 | elg | ok, a small upright might be 300lb and a steinway concert grand 990lb |
| 02:48.54 | elg | so if a wood oven is 500lb like the one those guys made and has a sturdy base, a few unhappy guys could move it |
| 02:49.36 | levi_home | Unhappy indeed. |
| 02:50.11 | elg | i can see elders quorum now. "do you have a piano? no, but we have a brick oven" |
| 02:56.49 | maquis | lol |
| 03:01.31 | tensai | a brick oven would be nice for the ciabatta break I'm preparing now |
| 03:01.43 | levi_home | Mmmmm. |
| 03:01.53 | tensai | I've got a stone, that'll go a long way |
| 03:02.08 | tensai | 3 stones, in fact. I love 'em |
| 03:02.18 | maquis | tensai: can i join you for the ciabatta break? |
| 03:02.53 | tensai | maquis: sure. by the time you get here the tomatoes will be nice and dried |
| 03:03.09 | tensai | I should have weighed them. I couldn't believe how many tomatoes I picked today |
| 03:03.20 | maquis | how long is the break? |
| 03:04.05 | tensai | maquis: if you come all this way, you take as long as you need. but really, you better wait 'till my wife gets back. that might be a little awkward. |
| 03:04.31 | maquis | tensai: true |
| 03:04.45 | tensai | she's finally home tomorrow! |
| 03:04.51 | levi_home | Where's she been? |
| 03:04.57 | maquis | actually... that could be kinda funny |
| 03:04.59 | tensai | at her mom's for 3 weeks |
| 03:05.07 | maquis | particularly since i could just leave... |
| 03:05.07 | tensai | maquis: no, I don't think it would be |
| 03:05.15 | tensai | oh, for you. sure. |
| 03:06.16 | tensai | ah, now the shoe's on the other foot |
| 03:06.29 | maquis | :) |
| 03:06.59 | tene | I don't understand how it could be funny for maquis. |
| 03:07.14 | maquis | tensai: we'll tell you when you're older |
| 03:07.24 | tensai | tene: I get in trouble, she gets to leave |
| 03:07.31 | tene | ahh |
| 03:07.31 | maquis | :) |
| 03:07.55 | maquis | is there a way to delete to the end of the line in visual studio? |
| 03:08.00 | tensai | d$ |
| 03:08.01 | tene | d$ |
| 03:08.02 | maquis | i keep trying d$, and it doesn't work |
| 03:08.05 | tene | hehehe |
| 03:08.07 | tensai | ~tene++ |
| 03:08.15 | tene | shift+end,delete |
| 03:08.16 | maquis | ~curse visual studio |
| 03:08.18 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, visual studio ! |
| 03:08.20 | tensai | shift-end, delete |
| 03:08.20 | maquis | tensai: that might work |
| 03:08.33 | tene | ~tensai++ |
| 03:08.47 | tene | I seem to remember seeing a way to integrate vim into visual studio... |
| 03:08.56 | tensai | the emacs version would be ctrl-k |
| 03:09.23 | tene | http://www.ngedit.com/viemu.html |
| 03:09.24 | brac | [ViEmu: vi-vim editor emulation for Microsoft Visual Studio] |
| 03:09.32 | maquis | that's pretty impressive |
| 03:09.39 | tensai | or was it c-x, c-d, c-e, c-l, c-e, c-t, c-e? |
| 03:09.42 | maquis | i would think that getting the modal nature working would be hard |
| 03:09.47 | maquis | tensai: that looks more like it |
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| 03:10.32 | levi_home | tensai: Dvorak is awesome. |
| 03:11.17 | tensai | I checked the local symphony to see if they've got any on their schedule. the still haven't posted the 2006 season schedule yet. :( |
| 03:11.50 | levi_home | The Utah Symphony did a Dvorak symphony last year. |
| 03:12.34 | tensai | ~smack Jayce^ upside the head |
| 03:12.35 | ibot | ACTION smacks Jayce^ upside the head upside the head. |
| 03:12.45 | tensai | ibot: silly bot |
| 03:12.47 | ibot | :) |
| 03:12.47 | tene | maquis: let me know if tha works for you. I'm curious. |
| 03:13.32 | maquis | tene: i probably won't be using it because i've only got to use visual studio for a tiny bit longer, and i'm trying to do as little with windows as possible |
| 03:13.41 | tene | 'kay |
| 03:14.40 | tensai | there was one thing I liked about visual studio: the handy X button in the top right corner |
| 03:15.17 | elg | maquis: why vs? |
| 03:15.49 | maquis | elg: because we have to work with windows forms, and last time i checked, mono didn't handle those... (at least not al of them, and not well) |
| 03:16.14 | elg | so for the GUI making GUI? |
| 03:16.14 | maquis | the entire class is working on a project together (around 30 people), and i didn't want to mess things up for everyone else |
| 03:16.26 | maquis | the professor specified visual studio.net |
| 03:16.27 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:16.29 | maquis | for the GUI |
| 03:16.51 | maquis | so, i'm living with it |
| 03:17.11 | maquis | it's only a summer-term class, so it's not long, and i haven't had to do too much |
| 03:18.11 | maquis | (actually, a lot of what i've had to do is thanks to the fact that one of the guys has done most of the work, and i've ended up doing the majority of what he didn't do... |
| 03:18.50 | maquis | my partner on my section was doing a lot until he found out yesterday morning that his wife was going to be induced 2 weeks early that afternoon... so he has a good excuse... |
| 03:19.24 | maquis | but i've picked up pieces of a number of other people's parts, since we're all getting graded on this together |
| 03:27.19 | tensai | the fun of "team" projects |
| 03:27.38 | maquis | yup |
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| 03:42.40 | rsimpkins | Finally got my irssi script whipped in to shape. Hurray for Data::Dumper !!! |
| 03:44.21 | tene | yay! |
| 03:44.54 | maquis | jsmith: cool |
| 03:45.13 | jsmith | This one is just plain evil^H^H^H^Hgenius |
| 03:45.19 | tene | what's it do? |
| 03:45.34 | maquis | tene is doubly-excited to know what it does |
| 03:45.40 | tene | I am! |
| 03:46.01 | jsmith | Basically, allows for phone "hoteling"... let's people log into any phone and receive their calls there. |
| 03:46.19 | maquis | ooh |
| 03:46.22 | jsmith | If they're a part of any call queues, it logs them into their particular queues |
| 03:46.23 | maquis | that's cool |
| 03:46.56 | jsmith | Yeah... it would have been much more elegant, if it weren't for a particular nasty bug in the development version of Asterisk. |
| 03:47.09 | maquis | so, they have a home phone, but if they're logged in someplace else, their calls go to where they're logged in, rather than to the home phone |
| 03:47.12 | maquis | ? |
| 03:47.38 | tensai | jsmith: awesome. that's what our NEC does for queues |
| 03:47.49 | jsmith | More like this: Let's say you're normally in your office, but you want to spend your day working in the lab. |
| 03:47.54 | maquis | can they limit and say "i will only ever be logged into these phones: ....."? (for security) |
| 03:48.01 | maquis | k |
| 03:48.11 | jsmith | You walk into the lab, dial an extension, enter your extension and your VM password, and now all your calls come to your phone. |
| 03:48.21 | jsmith | I mean, the phone there in the lab. |
| 03:48.26 | maquis | mmk |
| 03:48.34 | jsmith | Laterr, you log out and your calls go back to your desk phone. |
| 03:48.38 | maquis | ok |
| 03:48.48 | maquis | but you can't do it outside of a network? |
| 03:49.04 | tensai | maquis: how would a voip phone work if it's not on a network? |
| 03:49.08 | jsmith | Sure... if you wanna get really tricky |
| 03:49.21 | maquis | tensai: no... i mean... like.. your home phone and your work phone |
| 03:49.27 | maquis | which aren't in the same network |
| 03:49.55 | maquis | jsmith: i think being able to limit to a specific set of places would be nice for security reasons |
| 03:50.15 | tensai | you could do it over the pstn, but it'd get weird, like jsmith says |
| 03:50.22 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:50.48 | jsmith | In this particular case, they're only allowed to do it from a fixed number of extensions. |
| 03:51.05 | jsmith | But yes, executives will be able to have it dial them at any number they choose. |
| 03:51.49 | maquis | in my networking class, we had an interesting discussion on mobile computing, where, when you connect to a router, you can send a signal back to your home server or router or whatever, and then, if you got any requests to that home router, it would forward it along to where you were located.... |
| 03:52.02 | maquis | until you told it you weren't going to be there anymore |
| 03:52.09 | jsmith | Wouldn't be hard. |
| 03:52.15 | maquis | the ugly part is if you move between access-points in the middle of a session |
| 03:52.30 | tensai | maquis: ipv6 contains a number of provisions for mobility. I haven't read up on it much. |
| 03:52.33 | maquis | like... if you were using it for ssh or something |
| 03:52.39 | maquis | tensai: i haven't either... |
| 03:52.44 | maquis | but it sounds interesting |
| 03:52.53 | tensai | we use a setup called NetMotion that implements all that. basically it's a glorified proxy. |
| 03:53.13 | jsmith | too bad everything doesn't use SRV records in DNS... that would make it super-easy |
| 03:53.51 | tensai | in combination with our wireless network we can roam around on a laptop and move in and out of service, much like a cell phone. sessions just suspend until you reconnect, then take off right where they were at. |
| 03:55.04 | tensai | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 03:55.35 | jsmith | NetMotion, eh? Sounds interesting |
| 03:56.26 | tene | http://ietf.org/html.charters/mip6-charter.html |
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| 03:57.59 | tensai | jsmith: I didn't set it up nor do I have any idea what it cost. I just did a little testing on it. It's not our personal network, but for an oil field we networked. |
| 03:58.29 | jsmith | Interesting... time for someone to write an open-source version... |
| 03:58.31 | tensai | a company which last quarter made $55,000 per minute |
| 03:58.40 | tensai | *profit* |
| 03:58.53 | jsmith | Not bad -- what, about a 10% return on investment? |
| 04:00.05 | tensai | a fact they certainly haven't forgotten |
| 04:01.07 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 04:02.07 | jsmith | I heard an interesting statistic though... if we turned the entire US production of corn into ethanol, it would only lower our dependence on oil by 16% |
| 04:03.41 | fozzmoo | That's it. Let's invade more countries. |
| 04:03.43 | tensai | I've heard reports that ethanol is a wash as far as fossil fuels go |
| 04:04.03 | tensai | for one, fertilizer is made from natural gas and corn is a nutrient hog |
| 04:04.29 | jsmith | Yup... |
| 04:04.41 | tene | the main push for ethanol from corn is from the same source as high-fructose corn syrup |
| 04:04.43 | tensai | I'm with fozzmoo. Canada has been looking at us funny. |
| 04:05.01 | jsmith | Brazil started turning much of it's sugar cane into ethanol, and over the course of 18 months doubled the world price of sugar. |
| 04:05.06 | tene | corn industry == lots of money |
| 04:05.19 | tensai | it ain't called agribusiness for nothing |
| 04:05.38 | jsmith | So now the high-fructose corn syrup is worth twice as much, making ethanol worth that much more |
| 04:06.24 | tensai | hmm. maybe if we turn all that corn into ethanol it would raise the price of h-f corn syrup to the point that regular sugar would be cheaper. |
| 04:06.34 | tensai | that wouldn't be all bad then |
| 04:06.57 | tensai | quiz: what color is a fully ripened jalapeno? |
| 04:07.05 | tene | oh, the corn industry would just use it as an excuse to extort/bribe more subsidies |
| 04:07.13 | tene | tensai: blue |
| 04:07.29 | tensai | tene: ah, yeah. I forgot about the subsidies. |
| 04:07.33 | tensai | tene: nope, not blue |
| 04:07.53 | jsmith | subsidies were done away with in 1995 |
| 04:08.01 | tene | tensai: yellow |
| 04:08.13 | tensai | not to mention the GMOs |
| 04:08.19 | tensai | tene: nope |
| 04:08.24 | jsmith | (Except for the "grow trees and grass on highly-erodable land instead of corn subsidies") |
| 04:08.30 | tene | jsmith: really? huh. My information is extremely outdated then. |
| 04:08.33 | tene | tensai: white |
| 04:08.40 | jsmith | Well, that's what I heard today... |
| 04:08.49 | jsmith | Science Friday on NPR |
| 04:08.49 | levi_home | Hey, we got a twin egg. |
| 04:08.56 | levi_home | There were two yolks. |
| 04:09.16 | tene | According to wikipedia, "The New York Times reported on December 8, 2005 that corn subsidies had reached $20 billion per year in the United States and as much as $85 billion per year in the European Union." |
| 04:09.18 | rsimpkins | tene: Who gets it, cause I don't thinkt the farmers do? |
| 04:09.31 | tensai | jsmith: I heard different not to long ago. some guy who had a book. wonder if I can find it. |
| 04:10.06 | tene | and we all know that wikipedia is always right. |
| 04:10.16 | rsimpkins | Esspecially about elephants. |
| 04:10.35 | jsmith | Wish I had more time to study it, but right now I'd better get this Asterisk work done and pack more boxes. |
| 04:10.45 | tensai | rsimpkins: there's the tragedy. many subsidies go to large farms so they can help crush the small operations, the people originally targetted with the money |
| 04:11.14 | rsimpkins | I want 'wal-mart' corn for my car please. |
| 04:11.33 | rsimpkins | I wonder if maverick would sell wal-mart brand ethanol? |
| 04:12.04 | rsimpkins | Sure, every now and then you get some water and a spare corn kernel stuck in your fuel lines - but you are helping to save the ENVIRONMENT. On a BUDGET! |
| 04:12.36 | tensai | go green, go yellow |
| 04:13.22 | jsmith | http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast/podcast_detail.php?siteId=4822271, if anyone cares |
| 04:13.24 | brac | [NPR : Podcast Directory] |
| 04:14.26 | tensai | science friday *rocks* |
| 04:24.12 | mheath | "What are you going to do .... we have guns!" "No, what you have are bullets, and the hope that when you've stopped firing I've stopped moving." |
| 04:27.24 | maquis | *grumble* |
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| 04:38.46 | mheath | Wow. Geneology is fascinating. |
| 04:39.17 | jsmith | It's also a lot of work... |
| 04:39.40 | maquis | genealogy is also an oft-misspelled word |
| 04:40.23 | mheath | Part of the problem is that a lot of my dads work is based off online collaborative efforts with other Mormon church members |
| 04:40.51 | mheath | But the cool thing is, if those other collaborative workers are correct, I'm rather directly related to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Clinton,_1st_Earl_of_Lincoln |
| 04:46.40 | mheath | I really like a lot of the cool letters and pictures I see of my ancestors |
| 04:47.05 | mheath | we have a tintype and an earlier ambrotype from 1850's - 1860's. My Great-Great-Great grandfateher |
| 05:09.22 | levi_home | Oooh, homemade ice cream. |
| 05:11.23 | levi_home | Flavored with a vanilla bean. Mmmmm. |
| 05:16.47 | levi_home | It's very rich stuff. |
| 05:16.56 | levi_home | Or, rather, it was. :) |
| 05:21.31 | maquis | levi_home: i want some! |
| 05:21.32 | mheath | Haha, I can't wait until I get done with basic and infantry training |
| 05:21.46 | mheath | so that when people ask me "What do you do for a living?" I can say "I shoot things." |
| 05:23.08 | levi_home | ... |
| 05:28.31 | elg | ellipses! |
| 05:30.11 | levi_home | They are useful as an expression of speechlessness. :) |
| 05:31.15 | mheath | levi_home, just remember, I shoot things so that you don't have to ;-) |
| 05:33.59 | levi_home | Hopefully you won't have to shoot anyone. |
| 05:34.37 | elg | I find that they mean "i could say more but I won't" |
| 05:34.48 | elg | which rarely makes sense in that context and drives me nutes |
| 05:34.50 | elg | nuts even |
| 05:35.08 | elg | i'm going to start using &&& for speechlessness |
| 05:36.35 | levi_home | Well, "I could say more but I won't" was on my mind as well. |
| 05:37.14 | maquis | elg: what should i use for "i'm half way through a thought, and don't know what the other half is"? |
| 05:37.25 | maquis | because usually, i use ellipses for that |
| 05:38.14 | elg | that's good |
| 05:38.21 | elg | you could go on (if you could figure out how), but you won't |
| 05:38.28 | elg | or you will in a bit |
| 05:38.36 | maquis | ok... |
| 05:38.39 | elg | just remember it's you that's going on |
| 05:38.40 | maquis | :) |
| 05:38.46 | elg | or not |
| 05:38.50 | elg | not going on, that is. :) |
| 05:38.56 | maquis | generally not |
| 05:39.05 | maquis | hmm |
| 05:39.09 | elg | levi_home: carry on then. :) |
| 05:39.18 | maquis | the other problem is that ellipses are my primary form of punctuation |
| 05:39.22 | maquis | unless i'm writing papers |
| 05:39.26 | elg | yes, that's the problem. |
| 05:39.39 | elg | they don't deserve to be the primary form of punctuation any more than !!!! |
| 05:39.49 | maquis | but it is usually because there's something else in my brain that's half-thought-through |
| 05:39.59 | elg | on the one hand, excessively excitable. on the other hand, excessively halting |
| 05:40.30 | maquis | :) |
| 05:41.18 | levi_home | Well... that'd be a crazy way to talk!!!!! |
| 05:44.10 | maquis | curses |
| 05:44.32 | mheath | 4 weeks. Hmm. |
| 05:44.46 | maquis | bttn_projectUpdateAndCommit has nothing to do with committing... it handles update and checkout! |
| 05:46.09 | mheath | I have an open question: What do you all consider to be lacking from traditional GUIs/Window managers? |
| 05:46.25 | maquis | minimality? |
| 05:46.29 | mheath | What would be your dream features, even if they're off the wall, weird, or revolutionary? |
| 05:46.32 | elg | what do you call a flat thing with wheels? a dolly? |
| 05:46.43 | mheath | elg, thats the word I know. |
| 05:46.52 | mheath | elg, cart, maybe. |
| 05:47.05 | maquis | mheath: fast, doesn't get in my way, doesn't take up screen real-estate |
| 05:47.08 | elg | I'm trying to figure out what I might be able to put under my horno/brick oven |
| 05:47.33 | elg | so that it could be rolled or hefted |
| 05:47.37 | elg | without falling apart |
| 05:48.11 | mheath | I'm playing with ideas for my tablet PCs GUI system.. |
| 05:48.17 | maquis | mheath: i'm probably not the best person to ask |
| 05:48.19 | maquis | i use evilwm |
| 05:49.28 | levi_home | elg: How do you construct it? |
| 05:49.35 | elg | the oven? |
| 05:49.44 | elg | here's one way http://www.primitiveways.com/adobe_horno.html |
| 05:49.45 | brac | [Adobe Horno] |
| 05:50.11 | mheath | well, considering that I have to get up in 5 hours for a very long day, I think I'll head to sleep. Goodnight. |
| 05:50.11 | elg | in general, it's got a floor of bricks and then a dome on top (also of bricks) |
| 05:51.08 | elg | I think a bit of plywood would probably not work because of the heat |
| 05:51.22 | elg | and sheet metal would be a bear to pick up |
| 05:51.34 | levi_home | How about some rebar reinforcement? |
| 05:52.55 | elg | perhaps. although I get the impression maybe you don't even mortar the floor together |
| 05:53.07 | elg | although I suppose you certainly could |
| 05:53.12 | elg | maybe one of these |
| 05:53.12 | elg | http://www.metalpallet.com/ |
| 05:53.13 | brac | [plastic pallets metal pallets hazardous waste material handling pallets] |
| 05:53.50 | levi_home | You're going to make the adobe bricks as well? |
| 05:54.03 | elg | not sure yet. need to price things |
| 05:54.12 | elg | I'd rather go with brick, but adobe may be cheaper |
| 05:54.23 | elg | I don't have my own back yard to dig up, though, so maybe adobe won't be cheaper |
| 05:58.19 | tensai | elg: the funny part about the guys in the video, they wanted easy access to their oven. so they built it in their kitchen window. |
| 05:58.29 | tensai | all the smoke went straight inside |
| 05:58.58 | tensai | their oven was a cube. can't recall exactly how they held up the roof though. some sort of metal structure iirc. |
| 06:05.09 | levi_home | A friend of mine has a chiminea. |
| 06:06.04 | maquis | chim-chiminee, chim-chiminee, chim-chim-cheroo... |
| 06:06.43 | maquis | or is it chim-chim-cheree? |
| 06:11.06 | levi_home | Probably can't cook as much in a chiminea, but it's certainly more portable than a big brick oven. |
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| 06:50.58 | Sargun | who here does phone conferences? |
| 06:54.52 | sontek | At work we have conference calls |
| 06:56.33 | Sargun | sontek, do you know how much they are paying? |
| 06:56.47 | Sargun | and what feature do you like this best -- or what feature would you like? |
| 07:30.41 | Sargun | anyone home? |
| 07:30.43 | Sargun | lol |
| 08:12.04 | sontek | sorry, went to hangout for a bit, We really don't do anything special on conference calls, the biggest used feature is 'mute' while we discuss why we are right and they are wrong :[ |
| 08:15.28 | Sargun | lol |
| 08:15.40 | Sargun | how do they mute |
| 08:15.44 | Sargun | web interface? |
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| 13:32.50 | emcnabb | morning all |
| 13:33.08 | mheath | morning emcnabb |
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| 13:38.03 | emcnabb | mheath: how's it going? |
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| 13:49.25 | elg | -lart levi_home |
| 14:01.20 | mheath | emcnabb, good. Just feeling like my arms are about to fall off. |
| 14:01.30 | mheath | And trying to figure out how I can possibly go do _more_ pullups in this state. |
| 14:27.23 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
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| 14:38.33 | graphyx | anyone want to do me a favor? |
| 14:38.39 | graphyx | quick and easy. |
| 14:40.04 | graphyx | https://secure6.ingdirect.com/myaccount/en_US/images/auth/IAH1_CL1_PX00479.jpg |
| 14:40.10 | graphyx | Tell me what this image is. |
| 14:42.25 | wps | padlock |
| 14:43.00 | graphyx | k |
| 14:43.01 | graphyx | thx |
| 14:43.26 | graphyx | ingdirect has implemented new security features and I was trying to understand how they work. |
| 14:43.31 | graphyx | I don't understand them as of yet. |
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| 15:15.12 | tensai | did I ever give the answer for the color of a ripe jalapeno? |
| 15:15.23 | tensai | it's red. a nice blood red. |
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| 18:45.09 | bonez39 | elg, just listening to your fugue composition.....do you have many others....or know of a source for such works? |
| 18:49.55 | maquis | bonez39: sup? |
| 18:51.01 | findlay | ~sup maquis |
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| 19:05.24 | findlay | how many pins does a SCSI connector have? |
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| 19:37.24 | tensai | findlay: depends on what type |
| 19:37.28 | tensai | findlay: 68, 80 |
| 19:44.19 | bonez39 | maquis, just workng...but closing soon |
| 19:49.58 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 19:51.21 | findlay | tensai: this seems to have a pretty good description: http://www.pccables.com/cables/SCSI_cables.html |
| 19:53.04 | findlay | although my scanner still doesn't want to respond to SANE ): |
| 19:53.10 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 19:56.55 | tensai | findlay: there's also an ultra 320 which also uses the same 68 or 80 pin connectors as ultra 160 |
| 19:57.12 | tensai | I forgot about the 50 pin... |
| 19:57.28 | emcnabb | -lart tensai |
| 19:57.30 | tensai | all my hard drives are sca 80 pin |
| 19:57.39 | tensai | ~bruise emcnabb |
| 19:58.00 | emcnabb | ~beat tensai |
| 19:58.01 | ibot | ACTION relentlessly beats tensai over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 19:58.04 | tensai | ~disembowel emcnabb |
| 19:58.26 | tensai | ibot: you're not helping here |
| 19:58.52 | emcnabb | ~fart tensai |
| 19:58.54 | ibot | ACTION farts in tensai's general direction |
| 20:00.05 | tensai | ~mandrake emcnabb |
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| 20:21.06 | emcnabb | tensai: please, don't Mandrake me again, or I'll have to UnitedLinux your butt |
| 20:22.16 | nick125_lappy | hahaha |
| 20:22.29 | nick125_lappy | what about ~mandriva? |
| 20:26.50 | emcnabb | that's cruel too |
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| 20:32.56 | nick125_lappy | what about...~linspire? |
| 20:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125_lappy, you're a horrible person |
| 20:35.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Deep down inside, you're a horrible person. |
| 20:40.18 | nick125_lappy | hahah |
| 21:02.47 | findlay | tensai: I have an HP scanner that has a port on the back over which it says "SCSI" and I went to DI to get a cable for it and the other end was a 25 pin connector |
| 21:03.06 | findlay | I plugged it in and loaded the sg module and nothing happened |
| 21:03.34 | findlay | so the 25 pin plug on the MB is a SCSI port, then, right? |
| 21:04.05 | findlay | but Linux must not love it enough for SANE to work |
| 21:09.40 | macnewbold | findlay: most MBs have a 25 pin parallel port, which is definitely not scsi |
| 21:22.26 | findlay | macnewbold: what can I do? |
| 21:23.37 | findlay | what's the easiest (cheapest) way to get SCSI connectivity? |
| 21:23.46 | ScytheBlade1 | PCI SCSI card |
| 21:24.12 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: you ready to give me one? (: |
| 21:25.23 | macnewbold | SCSI cards aren't always cheap |
| 21:25.36 | macnewbold | it may be cheaper to get a USB scanner than a SCSI card... |
| 21:25.40 | findlay | I'm not paying $80 for a scsi card |
| 21:25.46 | macnewbold | but it's been a long time since I looked for one |
| 21:25.49 | findlay | macnewbold: I don't think so |
| 21:26.06 | findlay | unless you can find one that will scan legal sized pages cheaper than $1000 |
| 21:26.08 | macnewbold | $80 card vs $80 scanner... |
| 21:26.35 | macnewbold | okay, so if it's a _really_nice_ or _really_special_ scsi scanner, you might consider paying $80 to get it hooked up |
| 21:26.38 | findlay | most scanner beds these days are only big enough to fit letter/A4 |
| 21:26.45 | macnewbold | yes |
| 21:27.07 | macnewbold | how long is a legal page? over 12"? |
| 21:27.14 | findlay | I paid $25 for the scanner already |
| 21:27.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816123101 |
| 21:27.24 | findlay | it's like 14" |
| 21:27.36 | macnewbold | yeah, most beds anymore are 12" or a little less |
| 21:27.48 | macnewbold | so a $25 scanner, and you need an $80 card to hook it up? :) |
| 21:27.57 | findlay | that looks about right |
| 21:28.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816123101 <-- $18 |
| 21:28.08 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:28.10 | macnewbold | that's much better |
| 21:28.38 | findlay | but there's a 25 pin plug on the MB. How hard would it be to hack it to work? (: |
| 21:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 25 pin plug from what to the MB? |
| 21:29.35 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: it's a parallel port |
| 21:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm confused |
| 21:29.57 | findlay | most MB's have them, I think |
| 21:29.58 | ScytheBlade1 | You have a SCSI paraller port scanner? |
| 21:30.15 | findlay | aah, confusion! |
| 21:30.42 | findlay | the scanner has a scsi port, the MB has a parallel port |
| 21:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. So you throw in a SCSI card with a SCSI port. |
| 21:31.03 | findlay | (but it doesn't look all that parallel) |
| 21:31.25 | findlay | why do you think that card has a ribbon port on it? |
| 21:32.22 | findlay | that deal looks pretty sweet |
| 21:32.51 | findlay | I only wish I could grab one of those from compUSA or PC club |
| 21:33.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Just have it overnighted, it'll be there Tuesday |
| 21:33.15 | ScytheBlade1 | And it'll still be cheaper than what CompUSA can offer ;) |
| 21:33.49 | findlay | but I want it now |
| 21:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Then go blow your $80+ at CompUSA |
| 21:34.34 | ScytheBlade1 | And enjoy doing so |
| 21:35.26 | findlay | s/hops/hopes |
| 21:37.20 | nick125_lappy | ScytheBlade1: haha |
| 21:37.25 | nick125_lappy | CompUSA is a ripoff |
| 21:37.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's my point |
| 21:37.38 | nick125_lappy | no, its worse then a ripoff |
| 21:44.07 | findlay | so, this may sound naive, but isn't there a way to have an adapter switch from SCSI to parallel or serial, or even USB? |
| 21:44.39 | findlay | I really don't care much about bandwidth or anything like that |
| 21:45.19 | findlay | unless somebody can find me a cheap/free SCSI cable (: |
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| 22:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | huh |
| 22:03.46 | ScytheBlade1 | OpenSUSE 10.1 is broken good and proper |
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| 22:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh well, back to gentoo |
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| 23:06.23 | findlay | heh |
| 23:06.52 | findlay | for $2 I got the only SCSI 50 pin to 50 pin cable at the DI |
| 23:07.07 | findlay | and I _know_ this cable wasn't there yesterday |
| 23:07.23 | findlay | only downside is that it's only 4' |
| 23:07.53 | tene | stretch it |
| 23:09.30 | emcnabb | drive your car over your computer case to move the components closer together |
| 23:10.55 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, you have frightening logic |
| 23:11.05 | ScytheBlade1 | emcnabb, good or bad, I know not |
| 23:11.42 | emcnabb | bad |
| 23:24.45 | maquis | lol |
| 23:24.51 | maquis | emcnabb: you're a trouble-maker |
| 23:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, how about a maniacal car tire mod? |
| 23:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | THAT'S IT |
| 23:25.15 | ScytheBlade1 | COMPUTER IN A CAR TIRE |
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| 23:31.09 | linuxalien | Hi all |
| 23:36.58 | emcnabb | hello |
| 23:38.48 | linuxalien | How goes? |
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| 23:42.20 | fozzmoo | Anyone know why utaug.org is so b0rked? |
| 23:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate email |
| 23:53.53 | fozzmoo | Me too. I prefer "e-mail." |
| 23:54.15 | fozzmoo | I'm quickly becoming part of the minority, though. |
| 23:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That aside |
| 23:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | My junk folder has over 10,000 |
| 23:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Of the same e-mail |
| 23:55.47 | fozzmoo | oh boy. |
| 23:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Make a little more sense? |
| 23:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I get a good 300/day.. |
| 23:56.51 | fozzmoo | I would probably get that much too if I didn't auto-delete anything on the server that SpamAssassin scored over 10. |
| 23:57.07 | fozzmoo | But yeah, it's stupid. |
| 23:57.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to install SA first |
| 23:57.28 | fozzmoo | And when you look at the crap slipping through, it makes you wonder- what the heck are they thinking? |
| 23:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Currently, I lack any form of anti-spam less Thunderbird |
| 23:58.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And TB is slowly dieing under the load |
| 23:58.39 | fozzmoo | Are they still trying to make money on the 1/1000% of idiot respondants or have they given up entirely and decided to just annoy us instead? |
| 23:58.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't get a lot of the 419's |
| 23:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I get a TON of "INSIDER TRADING INFORMATION" and "REFINANCE NOW" |
| 23:59.24 | fozzmoo | Yeah. smallcaps, viagra, stocks, refis, etc. |
| 23:59.36 | ScytheBlade1 | never mind the "sexy baby, bad erection?" and "V1@GR@ @ $2.99" |
