| 00:00.08 | emcnabb | spr is a sharp kid |
| 00:00.13 | spr | Mine works wonderfully. Has since I got it. |
| 00:01.08 | sjansen | ~lart spr |
| 00:01.15 | spr | ~lart sjansen |
| 00:01.25 | elg | spr: looks like your 1" high laptop saved your life there |
| 00:01.27 | sjansen | ~fart spr |
| 00:01.28 | ibot | ACTION farts in spr's general direction |
| 00:01.50 | spr | ~bake sjansen |
| 00:01.51 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook spr, spr. |
| 00:01.57 | sjansen | ~butter spr |
| 00:01.59 | spr | ~cook sjansen |
| 00:02.01 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 00:02.10 | sjansen | ~spread spr |
| 00:02.22 | sjansen | ~drop spr |
| 00:02.48 | spr | ~whaleslap sjansen |
| 00:02.49 | ibot | ACTION beats sjansen upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 00:02.49 | sjansen | Is a buttered spr more likely to fall face up or face down? |
| 00:03.06 | sjansen | ~smack spr |
| 00:03.07 | ibot | ACTION smacks spr upside the head. |
| 00:03.07 | herlo | sjansen: that's not quite right, its 1920x1200 sorry |
| 00:03.26 | sjansen | herlo: Good to known there's isn't a laptop yet with more pixels than mine. :-) |
| 00:03.53 | herlo | sjansen: haha, but I *did* have one equivalent in pixels, but not so much anymore |
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| 00:08.14 | herlo | hola RyanE |
| 00:08.17 | herlo | ahh |
| 00:15.26 | tene | ~violence maquis |
| 00:15.34 | maquis | -lart tene |
| 00:15.36 | tene | ~violence |
| 00:15.38 | ibot | hmm... violence is not the answer... |
| 00:15.45 | maquis | ibot: yes it is! |
| 00:15.46 | ibot | no it isnt! |
| 00:15.49 | tene | ~pingofdoom maquis |
| 00:15.54 | maquis | ibot: yes |
| 00:15.56 | ibot | You don't say! |
| 00:16.00 | maquis | see! |
| 00:16.13 | maquis | ~herring tene |
| 00:16.14 | ibot | ACTION whacks tene on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 00:16.19 | tene | ~whaleslap maquis |
| 00:16.21 | ibot | ACTION beats maquis upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 00:16.27 | tene | ~zap maquis |
| 00:16.28 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives maquis a good jolt. |
| 00:16.29 | tene | ~cook maquis |
| 00:16.31 | ibot | ACTION throws maquis in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks maquis on 350 for an hour |
| 00:16.35 | maquis | ~flog tene |
| 00:16.37 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties tene and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 00:16.38 | tene | crush maquis |
| 00:16.41 | tene | ~crush maquis |
| 00:16.43 | ibot | ACTION crushes maquis with a full height scsi disk |
| 00:16.46 | maquis | ~beat tene |
| 00:16.48 | ibot | ACTION beats tene with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 00:16.51 | maquis | ~smack tene |
| 00:16.53 | ibot | ACTION smacks tene upside the head. |
| 00:16.54 | tene | ~roulette |
| 00:16.55 | ibot | ACTION watches tene pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:17.05 | tene | ~roulette |
| 00:17.07 | ibot | ACTION watches tene pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:17.26 | tene | ~roulette |
| 00:17.28 | ibot | ACTION watches tene pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:18.12 | tene | ~roulette |
| 00:18.13 | ibot | ACTION watches tene pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:19.25 | tene | there are two left. |
| 00:19.32 | tene | one of them didn't count because I said it too soon. |
| 00:19.34 | tene | ~roulette |
| 00:19.36 | ibot | ACTION watches tene pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:19.39 | tene | there |
| 00:19.44 | tene | your turn. |
| 00:19.49 | macnewbold | I think ibot is broken... |
| 00:19.58 | maquis | ~roulette |
| 00:20.00 | ibot | ACTION watches maquis pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:20.03 | mrpull- | does ibot add a round each time? |
| 00:20.04 | macnewbold | no way |
| 00:20.06 | macnewbold | it was empty |
| 00:20.12 | tene | ~roulette |
| 00:20.15 | ibot | ACTION watches tene pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:20.19 | tene | huh |
| 00:20.34 | macnewbold | ~roulette |
| 00:20.36 | ibot | ACTION watches macnewbold pull the trigger: Click! |
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| 00:29.46 | tene | http://www.fresh99.com/messy-networks.htm |
| 00:29.47 | brac | [messy networks] |
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| 00:52.51 | levi_home | Mmm, sour cream enchiladas. |
| 00:56.15 | vontrapp | how do you even maintain such networks? |
| 00:57.09 | vontrapp | esp the second, you can't even reach half the switches |
| 00:57.17 | macnewbold | you don't... when they break you just have to replace them |
| 00:57.31 | vontrapp | "DO NOT TOUCH ANY OF THESE WIRES" hehe |
| 01:01.43 | macnewbold | it's like a perl script |
| 01:01.56 | macnewbold | sure you can make one, but you'll never successfully edit it |
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| 01:08.32 | mheath[laptop] | finally got a chance to read some of my mom's journals (I'm not rude and prying - she's been dead for a few years) |
| 01:08.37 | mheath[laptop] | last time I ever try that -.- |
| 01:09.13 | mheath[laptop] | Made me realize that there was a lot of (mostly negative) things about my mom and family that I didn't know, mainly because I was too young at the time. |
| 01:09.14 | tensai | tene: that's just sick and wrong. and a lot more common than anybody wants to know. |
| 01:10.36 | mheath[laptop] | that's scary. |
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| 01:12.25 | elg | uh, some idiot is putting his hand in water with cables in it |
| 01:12.27 | elg | brilliant |
| 01:13.30 | mheath[laptop] | meh, they're plastic wrapped ethernet cables. It's not like they're exposed power cables. |
| 01:14.07 | elg | if there's ethernet cables, there's probably less amicable stuff off-camera |
| 01:14.20 | elg | entropy doesn't limit itself to ethernet cables |
| 01:15.53 | mheath[laptop] | and, I'm confused about why they're in any water at all, but maybe its for a special purpose, in distilled water? |
| 01:15.59 | mheath[laptop] | or is it just a leak or somethihng? |
| 01:15.59 | vontrapp | elg: entropy isn't what it used to be |
| 01:16.16 | elg | probably a leak |
| 01:17.32 | tensai | mheath[laptop]: not by design |
| 01:18.40 | tensai | elg: probably somebody who's never fired a lightening gun underwater in Quake |
| 01:20.04 | vontrapp | goes to show, nobody should ever be an electrician or the like without playing quake, level 8 |
| 01:20.19 | elg | ~quake vontrapp |
| 01:20.59 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart Steam |
| 01:21.46 | tensai | I think the guy is touching the water so the camera can see the ripples |
| 01:21.56 | tensai | but there are 110 outlets *right there* |
| 01:22.07 | elg | that's what a wood stick or broom handle is for |
| 01:23.31 | tensai | I thought broom handles were for changing the channel when you gain 300 pounds to get on disability |
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| 01:24.30 | vontrapp | tensai: no, that's when you duct-tape the Scan button so you can watch everything without risking burning calories to press any buttons |
| 01:27.03 | tensai | I'm sure clicking the remote is a huge risk for physical exertion |
| 01:27.36 | tensai | much like chatting on irc would be. good thing I've got speech recognition. |
| 01:28.05 | elg | ~weigh tensai |
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| 01:44.27 | vontrapp | ~say elg is 37% heavier than tensai |
| 01:44.29 | ibot | elg is 37% heavier than tensai |
| 01:53.30 | macnewbold | ~teach elg about rm |
| 01:53.40 | macnewbold | ;) |
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| 02:11.23 | tensai | ibot is 1337% bigger than brac |
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| 02:16.42 | mheath[laptop] | Can anyone recommend a line of very tough notebooks? |
| 02:17.21 | mheath[laptop] | Resilient to scrates, free from open holes and vents (to avoid getting dirt and sand inside), OK to drop / get banged around a bit |
| 02:17.26 | mheath[laptop] | *scratches |
| 02:20.30 | mheath[laptop] | Basically: Can tolerate being in a sandy, dry, war zone and can tolerate abusive shipping to/from said warzone :P |
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| 02:26.37 | mrpull- | mheath: panasonic makes a line called the toughbook |
| 02:26.51 | mrpull- | they do have vents tho |
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| 02:31.08 | mrpull- | http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/rugged_reliable.asp |
| 02:31.09 | brac | [Panasonic Toughbook -- Rugged & Reliable] |
| 02:31.47 | mrpull- | actually they do have some with sealed cases |
| 02:32.42 | elg | http://xkcd.com/comics/centrifugal_force.png |
| 02:32.48 | elg | vontrapp: that's especially for you |
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| 03:10.40 | levi_home | elg: Do you have a sibling named Centri? |
| 03:12.20 | levi_home | Good comic. :) |
| 03:12.56 | hans | yeah, um, centri is our sister |
| 03:13.10 | hans | or maybe our dog. yeah. she keeps the bad guys out |
| 03:15.34 | levi_home | You should name a daughter Centri. |
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| 03:17.46 | hans | i'll try |
| 03:18.07 | tensai | I tried for Chinneroth. I try every child but I'm 0-2. |
| 03:21.13 | mrpull- | is "scp foo user@host:~" legal? |
| 03:21.31 | tensai | the ~ is redundant. it defaults to your home directory |
| 03:21.53 | mrpull- | OK... i seem to remember doing that in the past |
| 03:22.00 | mrpull- | this time in renamed my file ~ |
| 03:22.08 | mrpull- | but I was using cygwin's scp |
| 03:22.25 | mrpull- | so I wondered if it worked differently in cygwin |
| 03:22.58 | tensai | works for me w/ openssh on ubuntu |
| 03:23.43 | mrpull- | doh... i was using pscp (putty's version) |
| 03:23.56 | mrpull- | anywho it worked... NM |
| 03:26.43 | goozbach | just : works |
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| 04:12.12 | tensai | "If few people want to pay for your product, it doesn't have much market value, no matter how much you want to charge," |
| 04:12.20 | tensai | name the antecedent |
| 04:16.40 | levi_home | Is that a Joel Spolsky quote? |
| 04:16.50 | tensai | nope |
| 04:17.38 | tensai | quote by Wendy Seltzer |
| 04:18.14 | tensai | talking about classical music label execs complaining about the bbc offering beethoven downloads last year |
| 04:18.30 | tensai | http://www.stereophile.com/news/071805bbc/ |
| 04:18.33 | brac | [Stereophile: BBC Beethoven Aftershocks] |
| 04:19.07 | levi_home | Heh. I downloaded all of those. Good stuff. |
| 04:19.55 | levi_home | Also a bunch of Mozart symphonies from some Swedish (or something) radio station site. |
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| 04:35.49 | levi_home | tensai: I think findlay probably accounts for half of the total classical CD sales last year. ;) |
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| 06:21.34 | levi_home | It's so quiet, except for the endless messages of RyanE connecting and disconnecting. |
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| 06:23.13 | levi_home | RyanE: You having connection problems? |
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| 06:42.19 | mheath[laptop] | Hmm. Can anyone comment on Toughbooks? |
| 06:44.28 | mheath[laptop] | I had to do service on when when I was working @ Superior..and, granted, it was a lot older, but it just seemed like a normal laptop with an extra thick plastic casing |
| 06:45.00 | mheath[laptop] | Very expensive, too. Their "most rugged" model has computer hardware specs very similar to the laptop I'm currently on. |
| 06:45.16 | mheath[laptop] | This laptop cost $700, the rugged version costs $4,500 |
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| 07:43.41 | Sargun | hey! |
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| 12:40.55 | goozbach | http://xkcd.com/date/ |
| 12:41.01 | goozbach | that's AWESOME! |
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| 13:27.21 | goozbach | http://lukewelling.com/2006/08/03/java-programmers-are-the-erotic-furries-of-programming/ |
| 13:27.33 | goozbach | RyanE_: get your connection fixed |
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| 14:04.58 | redbeard1 | wow, i'm making the big money on google adsense now. |
| 14:05.10 | Jayce^ | got a click? |
| 14:05.13 | redbeard1 | i had four, count 'em, FOUR clicks last month! |
| 14:05.19 | redbeard1 | i've earned $0.19! |
| 14:05.30 | Jayce^ | dang dude... big money now.. |
| 14:05.33 | Jayce^ | think I got 3.. |
| 14:05.56 | redbeard1 | hear that? that's the sound of me passing you by! |
| 14:06.40 | Jayce^ | ah, but I had one firefox referral :) |
| 14:06.48 | Jayce^ | pwn3d! |
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| 14:08.52 | redbeard1 | 11 clicks on my amazon links |
| 14:08.57 | redbeard1 | no conversions |
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| 14:11.25 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: apparently we're both big-time now |
| 14:13.29 | Jayce^ | 3 clicks there too (no conversions) |
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| 14:13.57 | elg | -lart maquis |
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| 14:50.34 | elg | am I the only one that gets the impression that the new cs grad secretary (debi blickfeldt) only checks her email once a month? |
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| 15:03.02 | redbeard1 | elg: i haven't gotten that impression. |
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| 15:05.05 | goozbach | just FYI Big Brother (the monitoring daemon) is a big POS |
| 15:05.27 | goozbach | o/~ the more you know o/~ |
| 15:05.41 | goozbach | and knowing is half the battle |
| 15:07.37 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 15:07.47 | elg | goozbach: yes, yes it is |
| 15:08.05 | tensai | goozbach: I'm not sure there has really been any confusion on that issue |
| 15:08.45 | goozbach | tensai: up until just a few days ago I could only judge on hearsay |
| 15:08.50 | goozbach | now I know for myself |
| 15:09.11 | elg | hehe |
| 15:09.14 | tensai | I once asked my mom, "if knowing is half the battle, is the other half shooting the guy?" |
| 15:09.26 | Jayce^ | tensai++ |
| 15:09.26 | elg | some people have to learn the hard way |
| 15:09.50 | tensai | I think that was about the time she forbid gi joe in the house. :( |
| 15:11.36 | tensai | redbeard1: I find it so curious that I cooked my custard so much longer than you |
| 15:12.43 | redbeard1 | tensai: how hot was the oven? |
| 15:12.59 | tensai | 350F |
| 15:13.08 | redbeard1 | what elevation are you at? |
| 15:13.14 | tensai | there was a lot of water in my bath |
| 15:13.19 | tensai | 4700 feet |
| 15:13.38 | redbeard1 | how far up the sides did the water come? |
| 15:14.09 | redbeard1 | 1/2? 3/4? |
| 15:14.24 | tensai | about 3/4 of the way up to the top of the custard, half way to the top of the dish |
| 15:14.33 | redbeard1 | that should be okay |
| 15:14.42 | redbeard1 | how big were your ramekins? |
| 15:15.16 | tensai | about a cup in volume. a 1 cup + 5 egg yolk mix filled two dishes half way each |
| 15:15.33 | tensai | 1 cup of cream |
| 15:15.38 | redbeard1 | aha... yeah, that's kind of a big ramekin |
| 15:15.54 | tensai | it was tough to eat that much, that's for sure |
| 15:16.03 | redbeard1 | no kidding |
| 15:16.07 | tensai | I thought I was going to eat both of them, but it just didn't happen |
| 15:16.57 | redbeard1 | yeah, creme brulee takes a little longer to set up than, say, a cheesecake... especially at higher elevations |
| 15:16.59 | tensai | it's the only ramekins I have. I wasn't clever enough to use tuna cans. |
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| 15:17.41 | redbeard1 | problem with tuna cans is that they're hard to clean out |
| 15:17.54 | redbeard1 | they're easier to clean out when you use them for cheesecake tho |
| 15:19.59 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 15:20.12 | emcnabb | good shot ibot! |
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| 15:20.50 | redbeard1 | indeed! |
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| 15:23.33 | elg | mmm, tuna cheesecake |
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| 15:37.02 | sjansen | Oreo Chocolate Mudslide from the Cheesecake factory is much better |
| 15:37.18 | sjansen | (guess what I had last night?) :-P |
| 15:38.18 | goozbach | sjansen: wherebouts? |
| 15:38.27 | sjansen | Seattle |
| 15:38.41 | goozbach | bastard |
| 15:38.50 | goozbach | I always wanted to go to seattle |
| 15:39.01 | goozbach | ~language goozbach |
| 15:39.02 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach by the ear and washes goozbach's mouth out with soap |
| 15:39.05 | jayce | mmmm... Seattle.. |
| 15:39.15 | goozbach | sorry guys |
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| 15:42.19 | sjansen | speaking of the cheesecake factory... |
| 15:42.54 | sjansen | I just realized I left my spicy cashew chicken leftovers in the hotel room refrigerator... whoops |
| 15:43.44 | sjansen | I guess either house keeping will find it, or some guess is in for a surprise. |
| 15:47.12 | emcnabb | especially if the room stays empty for a while! |
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| 15:57.04 | mheath | Hm, lets see if I can get some good programming work done today. |
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| 15:59.19 | elg | sjansen: call them up and say you left "something" in the fridge and that they'd better take a look or else |
| 16:00.49 | harleypig | So, does anyone else not know that I have a chatterbot for when I'm away? |
| 16:00.54 | sjansen | heh |
| 16:01.34 | tene | I didn't know that. |
| 16:03.49 | harleypig | It's funny sometimes, coming in the morning and reading what people have been trying to say and how long it takes them to realize they are talking to a bot. |
| 16:03.56 | elg | i knew |
| 16:04.02 | harleypig | Sometimes the bot is actually seemingly intelligent |
| 16:04.53 | emcnabb | harleypig: I think you're the bot talking to us right now |
| 16:05.11 | harleypig | emcnabb: That is interesting. Please continue. |
| 16:05.13 | emcnabb | you seem more intelligent than harleypig usually does :-) |
| 16:05.41 | harleypig | ow |
| 16:05.44 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:05.57 | emcnabb | feel free to lart me |
| 16:10.15 | harleypig | ~lart emcnabb |
| 16:10.20 | harleypig | -lart emcnabb |
| 16:10.29 | harleypig | I like the first one better |
| 16:10.33 | harleypig | ~rlart |
| 16:10.40 | harleypig | ? |
| 16:11.02 | harleypig | maquis: You need to eat something ... I can hear your stomach grumbling |
| 16:11.15 | maquis | harleypig: that's true, actually |
| 16:11.30 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.02 | mheath | maquis, feel lucky; my arms and back are really sore. |
| 16:13.18 | elg | maquis: my right pinky is sore |
| 16:14.01 | mheath | My recruiter considers it his personal mission to improve my pullups. I'm out there doing tons of them every day now. |
| 16:14.21 | tene | ~pity maquis |
| 16:14.23 | ibot | I pity da fool maquis! |
| 16:14.27 | emcnabb | ~pity mheath |
| 16:14.29 | ibot | I pity da fool mheath! |
| 16:14.39 | mheath | ~pity |
| 16:14.48 | mheath | :( |
| 16:15.32 | emcnabb | it looks like you're out of pity for today, please try again tomorrow |
| 16:15.59 | maquis | "i can please one person per day. today is not your day. tomorrow isn't looking good either" |
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| 16:17.20 | levi | maquis: My throat is sore. |
| 16:18.17 | goozbach | my mendula oblongata is sore |
| 16:18.25 | goozbach | that's why I'm so cranky |
| 16:18.33 | maquis | levi: ick |
| 16:18.34 | sjansen | emcnabb: If harleypig were really upset with you, he'd duct tape you to the floor, face up then sit on your head while eating burritos. |
| 16:20.31 | sjansen | Oh yeah, well I've get several body parts feeling less than chipper. Two of which involve blood coming out of places it shouldn't. |
| 16:21.57 | emcnabb | sjansen: never, I repeat, never, put that image in my mind again! |
| 16:22.17 | sjansen | Which one? |
| 16:22.32 | emcnabb | the first one |
| 16:22.43 | tene | emcnabb: the one with harleypig duct-taping you to the floor and sitting on your head while eating burritos? |
| 16:22.44 | emcnabb | and the second too, ew |
| 16:22.49 | sjansen | The harleypig image? Next time I'll be sure to add some variety. Perhaps I'll mention the word thong. |
| 16:22.50 | emcnabb | tene: that one |
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| 16:25.35 | sjansen | ~greet herlo |
| 16:25.36 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on herlo |
| 16:25.52 | herlo | ahh, the good morning bath from sjansen |
| 16:25.54 | sjansen | Not quite the greeting I envisioned, but it works. |
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| 16:26.12 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:31.52 | mheath | I'm really starting to like this programming project. |
| 16:32.29 | levi | mheath: What are you programming this time? |
| 16:32.39 | mheath | In the broadest sense, its a program execution environment, though I have some specific plans for its use. |
| 16:33.01 | levi | What do you mean by program execution environment? |
| 16:33.35 | mheath | Just a local-only (for now) version of my same shareable object model I discussed with you in the past. |
| 16:33.44 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 16:34.00 | mheath | Its a controlling environment for the execution of Java (and eventually other) applications. |
| 16:34.59 | mheath | You start the runtime, and it starts two things: A main controlling thread, and the registry tree. |
| 16:35.06 | tene | argh. I strongly dislike optical media. |
| 16:35.23 | levi | tene: Yeah, well, I bet it strongly dislikes you, too! |
| 16:35.35 | elg | tene: why? |
| 16:35.39 | mheath | The registry tree is filled with an object oriented representation of everything running within the system, in an abstracted way, as well as objects for dealing with the system and hardware directly. |
| 16:35.47 | elg | tene: have you tried hair gel? |
| 16:35.48 | tene | I'm all "give me the file" and it's all "Input/output error" and I'm all "no, just give me the file" and it's all "Input/output error" |
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| 16:36.43 | mheath | First, the registry tree is filled with 'plugins' for it, registry-only specific bits of static code. |
| 16:37.01 | levi | tene: Yes, clearly it hates you. |
| 16:38.04 | tene | Wow, these pictures that actually will copy off of the disc are pretty amazing. My sister took a digital camera with her on her trip to China. |
| 16:38.07 | mheath | Then, it starts an init process (System.Applications.registry.init()), which will typically bring up the ApplicationController (System.Applications.ApplicationController) |
| 16:38.25 | tene | And ran out of space, so went to a place that took pictures off of the memory card and burned them to an optical disc |
| 16:39.19 | tene | ... ookay... |
| 16:39.23 | tene | rsync: mkstemp "/home/tene/china/.Picture 457.jpg.mXzCfK" failed: Permission denied (13) |
| 16:39.35 | elg | you mean CD or something else? |
| 16:39.50 | tene | I was running that as root and there weren't permissions problems until the end |
| 16:39.51 | tene | CD |
| 16:40.12 | levi | tene: You try a different CDROM drive? |
| 16:40.33 | mheath | Then it will spawn an application of your choice: the first thing I'll have for it is a little shell. So, System.Applications.registry.init() calls System.Applications.ApplicationController.spawn("load-env applications/shell.oap") |
| 16:40.48 | tene | Not yet. Just started trying to read from it. |
| 16:40.51 | sjansen | I've found that sprinkling virgin chicken blood on and around the comptuer often helps. |
| 16:41.18 | mheath | Here you have a choice: The shell code can be _itself_ descriptive to the registry system of its capabilities |
| 16:41.20 | harleypig | I'm away again! have fun with eliza ... but be nice! I read the logs! |
| 16:41.20 | elg | tene: do try hair gel. I read something the other day that indicates it can help and I'm curious if it's true |
| 16:41.28 | elg | but I don't want to buy hair gel if it doesn't :) |
| 16:41.31 | mheath | OR, the .oap file can describe it to the registry system. |
| 16:41.41 | sjansen | I've tried it with friends and family. None of them has ever again called me with any problems. |
| 16:41.48 | mheath | After I get to that basic point, I want to work on some plugins for hardware. |
| 16:42.20 | levi | elg: Smearing hair gel on a bad CD is supposed to help? |
| 16:42.25 | elg | yes |
| 16:42.29 | levi | Hmm. |
| 16:42.29 | elg | and then buffing it of course |
| 16:42.42 | macnewbold | yes, can't forget to buff it |
| 16:42.43 | tene | buffing with toothpaste has worked for me before |
| 16:42.43 | levi | I don't think I have any gel, just a crapload of other hair 'product'. |
| 16:43.15 | mheath | System.Hardware.CD1 and System.Hardware.USB.Storage1 comes to mind. |
| 16:43.20 | mheath | levi: what do you think? |
| 16:43.22 | levi | elg: You could always pick up some el-cheapo hair gel from the dollar store. |
| 16:43.35 | elg | yeah but that involves going to the dollar store. ;) |
| 16:43.50 | levi | mheath: Well, if you're enjoying programming it, carry on! |
| 16:44.29 | mheath | Does anyone have any comments/suggestions? |
| 16:44.41 | tene | I've got a dollar store nextdoor to my office... |
| 16:44.53 | macnewbold | like tene said, hopefully you keep some toothpaste around the house |
| 16:45.22 | tene | http://toothpastefordinner.com/ |
| 16:45.23 | brac | [toothpaste for dinner - "the most addictive comic on the web"] |
| 16:45.54 | tene | psed? |
| 16:46.07 | sjansen | psed. |
| 16:46.47 | tene | psed? |
| 16:47.18 | sjansen | tene: don't make me find out if there's a unicode interrobang |
| 16:47.19 | mheath | levi: The end result is that I can create enough layers of compatability that I could, for example, call "Registry.setVariable("System.Applications.Firefox.instance0.URL", "http://www.google.com")" from within a Java program :) |
| 16:48.43 | mheath | Registry.callMethod("System.Hardware.CDRW1.burn", "System.Filesystem.home.mheath.cd") |
| 16:49.07 | tene | sjansen: ‽ |
| 16:50.50 | sjansen | ~cookie tene |
| 16:50.56 | levi | mheath: That doesn't appeal to me, but if you're enjoying it and you think it will be useful to you... |
| 16:51.40 | mheath | levi: I'm also going to work on other language bindings too, so you could make the same calls from other languages, though. |
| 16:51.56 | tene | gnaborretni isn't formally included in unicode yet, though. |
| 16:52.11 | findlay | yeah, tempt levi with the language card (: |
| 16:52.23 | mheath | tene, sjansen, any comments/suggestions? |
| 16:52.38 | mheath | or anyone |
| 16:52.47 | tene | I don't understand the big deal and it's not interesting to me at all, but if you like it, good for you. |
| 16:53.49 | findlay | anyone have a serial cable they want to give me? |
| 16:53.59 | tene | where are you at, findlay? |
| 16:54.01 | elg | findlay: no, but you can make your own |
| 16:54.23 | findlay | I guess that's a cable that's in cereal or put together serially |
| 16:54.41 | findlay | tene: provo |
| 16:54.43 | levi | mheath: I don't think trying to organize the world into a strict hierarchy is a very good idea, nor do I think you're really buying anything by wrapping this all up in java. |
| 16:56.20 | mheath | levi: But the network capabilities of this system would be impossible without the hierarchy, or without the strict compatability across platforms and architectures that java offers. |
| 16:56.42 | levi | mheath: No. |
| 16:56.56 | levi | Or, in other words, I disagree. |
| 16:57.20 | mheath | levi: How would I copy large bodies of objects without the hierarchial representation, then? |
| 16:57.53 | levi | Any number of ways, depending on how things are set up. |
| 16:58.02 | mheath | Remember, the end result of this system is that you could copy _over the network_ a complete tree....I could copy my complete installation of firefox, in a theoretical example, just by copying the "System.Applications.Firefox" tree. |
| 16:58.52 | levi | Your handwaving doesn't deceive me, even though you seem to have deceived yourself about the true complexities involved. |
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| 17:00.05 | mheath | levi: I don't see how I'm handwaving, or how I've deceived myself. |
| 17:00.59 | tene | You decieved yourself through handwaving into believing that you're not handwaving? |
| 17:01.00 | levi | You need to think harder about what you're talking about, then. |
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| 17:01.19 | redbeard1 | mmm, tasty! |
| 17:01.34 | levi | redbeard1: Who's moving their Lisp programs to Java? ;) |
| 17:01.41 | redbeard1 | levi: the church |
| 17:01.50 | levi | Whoa, they had lisp programs? |
| 17:01.54 | redbeard1 | still do |
| 17:01.58 | levi | What do they do? |
| 17:02.37 | levi | Are they moving them so they can get more developers, or some other reason? |
| 17:02.39 | redbeard1 | i think it's safe to say a couple of years ago, the majority of lds.org and related sites were still based almost entirely on lisp |
| 17:02.50 | levi | What sort of lisp? |
| 17:03.11 | redbeard1 | couldn't tell ya |
| 17:03.32 | mheath | levi, so, what you're saying is that instead of a virtual machine managed neatly organized single serializable object, it would preferable to instead copy potentially hundreds of arbitrary files? |
| 17:03.33 | redbeard1 | the majority of it has been moved to java now, tho i understand there's a little python in there too |
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| 17:04.57 | mheath | levi: because I don't see any other way to do this, but perhaps you could enlighten me. |
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| 17:05.49 | mheath | levi: let me use an example. With my system, if I transfer my "System.Hardware" tree to you, you first of all have a static source of information about the capabilities of my hardware, and you also have the capability to interact with it too. |
| 17:06.11 | mheath | All of that transfered with a single call, with a single serializable object |
| 17:06.25 | mheath | How would I do that without my object oriented tree? |
| 17:08.00 | mheath | levi: I really want your input, I just can't see how I could do something even remotely similar without my tree of objects. |
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| 17:11.05 | levi | mheath: How about a directed graph? A relational db query? |
| 17:11.18 | levi | mheath: A metadata search? |
| 17:12.02 | mheath | levi: that covers one direction: I can get information about the hardware. Remember that my objects allow you to in turn communicate back across the network and access the hardware. |
| 17:12.07 | levi | redbeard1: So, you don't know the motivation behind the switch? |
| 17:13.06 | redbeard1 | levi: my friend tells me that the lisp codebase is just too much of a pain. the java codebase is easier to use, probably mostly because it was designed with more modern ideas in mind |
| 17:13.12 | mheath | levi: And, yes, I'm sure I could run a bunch of services.....NFS for accessing the filesystem....a sound daemon for accessing the sound hardware...etc. But what does that gain? |
| 17:13.33 | levi | mheath: There's no reason you couldn't have opaque identifiers that are returned as references to the objects. |
| 17:14.09 | levi | mheath: Sometimes, specialized protocols are a GOOD thing. |
| 17:14.41 | mheath | Mine is a clean, single step operation that accomplishes all of this. As far as I can tell, your advocating something identical, just spread out into a database rather than encapsulated in a serliazable object. |
| 17:14.51 | levi | mheath: In fact, they're often a good thing. There's a reason that remote filesystems and streaming audio don't use the same protocols. |
| 17:15.04 | levi | mheath: No, I'm not advocating anything. |
| 17:15.25 | mheath | levi: Protocols are a good thing, but specific and specialized code you can share on demand for interacting with a given piece of hardware is better. :) |
| 17:15.48 | mheath | Or, you could even run a sound daemon |
| 17:16.12 | mheath | and System.Hardware.sound could interact with the sound daemon rather than directly with the hadware |
| 17:16.37 | mheath | The point is, System.Hardware.sound would be the same regardless of if it was tied to a sound daemon or directly to the kernel. |
| 17:16.41 | sjansen | Probably because most coders are unworthy of lisp, unqualified to understands its sublime truths. |
| 17:17.30 | levi | sjansen: No one is unworthy of lisp, but it is quite possible that whoever wrote the framework wasn't very good at it. |
| 17:17.33 | redbeard1 | sjansen: you're a funny egg, you know that? |
| 17:18.14 | sjansen | redbeard1: That explains the smell coming from my armpits. |
| 17:18.32 | sjansen | I've always sorta wondered about that, but never really looked into it. |
| 17:18.43 | mheath | The _point_ of this whole thing is, if I have a client that is going to, say, routinely interact with sound servers, they don't HAVE to have a program/plugin for communicating with the ESD, a program/plugin for communication directly with ALSA, a program/plugin for communicating with * |
| 17:19.00 | mheath | They just have to know how to interact with the standard System.Hardware.sound tree |
| 17:19.11 | levi | mheath: No, you /still/ have to have those, you're just hiding them. |
| 17:19.31 | mheath | levi: yes, in a way that makes it so the end programs and/or end user doesn't have to know a thing about them. |
| 17:19.33 | mheath | Thats the point. |
| 17:20.01 | mheath | Let me give a more practical example |
| 17:20.15 | mheath | Say I was to create a Templates.TextDocument wrapper |
| 17:20.51 | mheath | you could code an OpenOffice.org-like word processor that interacts EXCLUSIVELY with the abstract Templates.TextDocument format |
| 17:21.25 | levi | mheath: Look, I think it's a dumb idea and I don't want to hear anything more about it. You won't believe me no matter how much I tell you it's a waste of time, so stop asking, and stop telling me about it! |
| 17:22.14 | sjansen | ~pity levi |
| 17:22.15 | ibot | I pity da fool levi! |
| 17:22.17 | mheath | Now, a given Templates.TextDocument instance could be representing any number of things - simple .txt file in either UNIX or DOS formats, a Microsoft Word document, or an Open Office document. As new formats come out, the Templates.TextDocument could be adjusted to handle them. The end program never knows about this - it just knows how to handle Templates.TextDocuments |
| 17:22.58 | mheath | levi: I love how conversations with you go. "That sucks." "Why?" "Well, because ________" "I'm not sure I understand...." "Look, your dumb and your ideas dumb, just shut up." |
| 17:23.15 | mheath | You drag me into the criticisms, then get pissed that I talked to you when you're the one that started the conversations. |
| 17:23.30 | emcnabb | go levi go! |
| 17:23.32 | levi | mheath: I didn't drag you into anything! I asked what you were doing, and you dragged me into criticizing it. |
| 17:23.33 | tene | he didn't drag you into it at all. You kept actively soliciting feedback. |
| 17:23.48 | elg | sjansen is an egg? |
| 17:24.01 | redbeard1 | elg: he's a funny one at that |
| 17:24.09 | elg | redbeard1: ok, nice open source tie in, but why do _you_ think adding an egg to the recipe worked? |
| 17:24.15 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:24.42 | mheath | Well, thats nice. The programming project I've been working on and programming for the last year is a worthless piece of crap. Thanks for the support, guys! |
| 17:24.49 | redbeard1 | elg: i wish i knew. their reason is as good as any. |
| 17:25.10 | emcnabb | no problem! |
| 17:25.11 | emcnabb | any time! |
| 17:25.32 | levi | mheath: I've tried to explain that you can't eliminate the complexity of all the underlying protocols simply by wishing it away with a nice Java layer. I've tried to explain this since the first time you mentioned it, but you never believe me. |
| 17:25.35 | sjansen | ~punish emcnabb |
| 17:25.36 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to install and use Windows |
| 17:26.05 | elg | if I had to guess, I'd say because it doesn't seem like you could get good cake without real egg, and getting real egg in a dry mix doesn't seem possible |
| 17:26.13 | elg | to the housewife anyway. is it possible? |
| 17:26.25 | elg | can you make a good cake mix that you just add water to? |
| 17:26.26 | mheath | levi: I didn't say that there wasn't complexity in the abstraction process. But the fact remains that after you've dealt with that complexity, you're left with a nice abstracted layer. Thats the point. |
| 17:26.45 | elg | i don't for one minute buy the freudian guilt trip theory |
| 17:27.05 | levi | mheath: And an insurmountable programming task to maintain the complex interactions between your abstraction and the real world. |
| 17:27.36 | redbeard1 | elg: you think it just seems to fake, without an egg? i'd buy that |
| 17:28.04 | elg | yeah, I can see housewives thinking it seems too fake without an egg |
| 17:28.13 | mheath | levi: This is a small system for a limited, controlled environment. I use some more general examples, but I've discussed with you many times that this system is for my Tablet PC systems. |
| 17:28.24 | fozzmoo | I really enjoyed the just-add-water entry. |
| 17:28.35 | elg | but i can also see the just-add-water cake mixes really just being terrible |
| 17:28.45 | elg | and maybe just maybe they sold worse because they were terrible |
| 17:28.52 | redbeard1 | me too, especially after the just add water mac & cheese |
| 17:29.01 | fozzmoo | Betty Crocker should sell boxes with stalks of wheat and a rock inside. |
| 17:29.05 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 17:29.16 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: you're brilliant! i'd buy it |
| 17:29.26 | elg | collectible rocks |
| 17:29.28 | elg | with red checkers |
| 17:29.36 | redbeard1 | of course, then i'd have to throw the rocks at Jayce^ or something |
| 17:29.48 | redbeard1 | not sure what i'd do with the wheat |
| 17:29.50 | mheath | levi: it is not for interacting with the 'real world', its for controlling my tablet PC environment, and for controlling communication between said tablet PCs. |
| 17:29.53 | redbeard1 | maybe throw that too |
| 17:29.55 | levi | mheath: I seem to recall you wanting to use it on an internet level. |
| 17:30.09 | mheath | levi: yes, for the mesh networks on the tablet PCs. |
| 17:31.08 | elg | ~rock redbeard1 |
| 17:31.21 | mheath | levi: And for allowing the tablet PCs to communicate with each other over the internet. |
| 17:31.23 | Jayce^ | ~lart peregrine for changing fonts, and having it mess up the rest of openclue |
| 17:31.43 | levi | mheath: Will you just drop it already? I'm not going to give you any more feedback on this. |
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| 17:32.10 | mheath | levi: I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. I said I LEFT to go get food, and you started talking to me about it again! |
| 17:32.56 | mheath | levi: It isn't that you want the subject dropped, its that you want to have the last word no matter what. |
| 17:33.08 | mheath | I reply to anything you meant to be a 'final statement' and I'm suddenly evil. |
| 17:34.46 | levi | ... |
| 17:35.02 | elg | ooh, I know! it's an ellipses |
| 17:35.18 | levi | So, cake mix with eggs. |
| 17:35.22 | sjansen | elg: Sorry, nope. It's three dots in a row. |
| 17:35.25 | Jayce^ | IRC pictionary... ewww.. |
| 17:35.31 | Jayce^ | and yet, tempting |
| 17:35.43 | redbeard1 | cake mix with eggs |
| 17:35.46 | elg | don't make me whip out figlet |
| 17:35.50 | Jayce^ | probably still couldn't beat my wife at it |
| 17:35.59 | levi | I'm pretty sure you can freeze-dry eggs and powder them. |
| 17:36.03 | redbeard1 | i wonder if there are any good cake recipes out there without eggs |
| 17:36.12 | redbeard1 | like, from-scratch recipes |
| 17:36.17 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, angel food.... err.. |
| 17:36.18 | sjansen | elg: This is an ellipsis: … |
| 17:36.28 | elg | sjansen: so it is |
| 17:36.29 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: yeah, i thought of that too. |
| 17:36.38 | levi | sjansen: This is an ascii approximation of an ellipsis: ... |
| 17:36.42 | elg | so, two spaces or one after a .? |
| 17:36.49 | maquis | O>--< |
| 17:36.52 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: hey! i've got it! we could ask ivan if he knows any good vegan angelfood recipes! |
| 17:37.02 | elg | maquis: your boyfriend is dead? |
| 17:37.13 | maquis | elg: umm.. no |
| 17:37.18 | maquis | that was for pictionary :) |
| 17:37.26 | sjansen | elg: one, unless you're using a monospace font in which case two is okay but not required |
| 17:37.29 | elg | redbeard1: isn't that a contradiction? how can you have a vegan angelfood cake? angels are animals too |
| 17:37.35 | redbeard1 | maquis: it's a dude going down a waterslide! |
| 17:37.52 | elg | sjansen: I agree. but always one, even monospacesd |
| 17:37.53 | redbeard1 | elg: tofu. |
| 17:38.03 | elg | in fact, I think monospace should be one more than proportional should |
| 17:38.07 | maquis | redbeard1: yup |
| 17:38.24 | [phoenyx] | okay, redbeard1, your turn |
| 17:38.43 | redbeard1 | |O<--< |
| 17:38.48 | elg | angelfood! |
| 17:38.55 | redbeard1 | elg: nope |
| 17:39.00 | maquis | redbeard1: an angel lying down? |
| 17:39.02 | elg | maquis: yeah, that was my guess |
| 17:39.05 | levi | I've never seen an ellipsis in literature that was not three dots. |
| 17:39.14 | redbeard1 | maquis: nope |
| 17:39.14 | elg | that you drew your dead or sick boyfriend |
| 17:39.17 | levi | At least as far as I can recall. |
| 17:39.21 | sjansen | I'm not willing to take a firm stand. In code, I'd be inclined to go with one. In a typewritten document I respect the original intent of using two, even though I don't think it's necessary and the white gaps are kinda ugly. |
| 17:40.09 | levi | I was trained to touchtype on a typewriter, so I'm in the bad habit of putting two spaces after each period. |
| 17:40.20 | [phoenyx] | redbeard: a person graduating? |
| 17:40.26 | levi | Though it is technically incorrect with a proportional font. |
| 17:40.28 | elg | one of my friends (when we were oh, about 12) was told by his dad to use 2 and he didn't see why and it made him cry |
| 17:40.32 | sjansen | levi: Then you weren't paying attention. If a TeX formatted document ... is replaced with a real ellipsis, which is subtly momre unified than three dots. |
| 17:40.35 | elg | this was in a word processor |
| 17:40.39 | redbeard1 | [phoenyx]: not quite |
| 17:41.00 | levi | sjansen: I said three dots, not three periods. |
| 17:41.06 | elg | redbeard1: Jayce^ |
| 17:41.14 | elg | but the ^ has been flattened |
| 17:41.19 | levi | sjansen: I know they are spaced closer together than three periods would be, in a proportional font. |
| 17:41.20 | sjansen | levi: touche |
| 17:42.05 | redbeard1 | elg: almost. it is jayce, but he's getting bonked on the head. |
| 17:42.26 | elg | it should have been |<O<--< then |
| 17:42.54 | redbeard1 | >O<--< there's jayce without his horns hidden... |
| 17:43.15 | redbeard1 | man. irc pictionary is hard! |
| 17:43.24 | elg | o> |
| 17:43.28 | elg | er, o_ |
| 17:43.31 | elg | what's that? |
| 17:43.56 | levi | sjansen: The Chicago Manual of Style actually prefers three periods followed by a space when typing up a manuscript. |
| 17:44.14 | redbeard1 | costco! bbl. |
| 17:44.20 | elg | no, it's not costco |
| 17:44.34 | emcnabb | elg: why do you want the last word with redbeard1!!! |
| 17:44.46 | emcnabb | what is your problem! |
| 17:44.50 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:44.59 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 17:45.03 | elg | see it's ibot that wants the last word |
| 17:45.12 | elg | just can't leave a ~lart well enough alone |
| 17:45.16 | levi | But I expect that is because they want to ensure compatibility between text documents and expect the publication to do a final typesetting themselves. |
| 17:45.21 | emcnabb | haha |
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| 17:45.32 | [phoenyx] | elg: can we get a hint? |
| 17:45.43 | elg | it's a baby beaver |
| 17:46.12 | [phoenyx] | that was a really good hint |
| 17:49.11 | [phoenyx] | elg: um, it's a baby beaver |
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| 17:50.23 | elg | :) |
| 17:50.53 | tensai | ..._@/ |
| 17:51.33 | sjansen | A gianted headed snake with a cigar... No, a cobra with a cigar levitating its tail. |
| 17:52.11 | tensai | nope |
| 17:52.33 | sjansen | Somebody hitting Jayce^ with a tape of paintballs. |
| 17:53.08 | [phoenyx] | a man in a sleeping bag with his head propped up on a rock |
| 17:56.15 | levi | It's a... snail! |
| 17:56.31 | levi | And it has just pooped and ellipsis. |
| 17:56.36 | levi | s/and/an |
| 17:57.38 | [phoenyx] | how do you know it's an ellipsis and not just 3 periods in a row? |
| 17:57.49 | maquis | yeah... it's a snail |
| 17:57.59 | maquis | with it's trail of gunk behind it |
| 18:04.33 | [phoenyx] | @-`,---- |
| 18:08.26 | sjansen | a rose |
| 18:08.32 | [phoenyx] | yup |
| 18:08.59 | sjansen | Okay, new life lesson: Drinking two bottles of cold water before proctoring a three hour exam is a _very_ bad idea. |
| 18:09.44 | graphyx | should you have drank 2 bottles of warm water? |
| 18:11.26 | emcnabb | better than two bottles of vodka |
| 18:11.30 | emcnabb | or bleach |
| 18:11.46 | sjansen | graphyx: While the end state would have been the same, I suspect the time to arrive at said end state would have been longer. |
| 18:13.02 | findlay | cool |
| 18:13.31 | findlay | sjansen: so export prints out the same as env? |
| 18:15.04 | sjansen | no |
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| 18:17.39 | graphyx | sjansen: I just thought the inclusion of the cold detail was amusing. |
| 18:19.55 | herlo | sjansen: you shouldn't *proctor* anything. |
| 18:20.58 | sjansen | herlo: pray tell, why not? |
| 18:21.02 | tensai | it was a snail. maquis was right about the trail of gunk, not poop |
| 18:22.02 | herlo | sjansen: proctor just sounds like such a bad word |
| 18:22.08 | herlo | I would prefer administer |
| 18:23.05 | sjansen | herlo: Hate to tell you think, but you're a real proctor now, just like me. You'll have many opportunities to proctor. |
| 18:24.33 | herlo | sjansen: I prefer not to be referred to as such |
| 18:24.59 | herlo | but if you insist, I will just have to wack you with my new laptop...I promise, it'll be worth it! |
| 18:26.01 | graphyx | or you could just /msg him. |
| 18:26.13 | graphyx | unless you are looking to not get a log of the conversation. |
| 18:28.04 | herlo | sjansen: you may wish to keep your head, and your laptop, because once I am done with you, I'll move on to your computer equipment, or maybe I should start there |
| 18:28.22 | herlo | graphyx: what fun is that realy? |
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| 18:30.07 | sjansen | herlo: You should know that I scream like a girl and bleed easily. I intend to draw as many witnesses as possible then sue you for various forms of suffering. Your laptop and every other cool gadget you own will be mine. |
| 18:30.37 | SB1-Work | That's a random line to walk into |
| 18:33.09 | findlay | but I want a cool sndFX laptop battle |
| 18:34.26 | herlo | sjansen: I will make sure there is no one around for miles...don't you worry |
| 18:34.49 | herlo | sjansen: scream like a girl, scream like a woman, I don't care, no one is going to hear you scream |
| 18:35.16 | SB1-Work | ... that's kinda twisted |
| 18:35.40 | sjansen | I will haunt you. My dyning words will echo in your skull forever. |
| 18:36.29 | herlo | your dyning words, so where are going to eat exactly |
| 18:40.49 | mheath | I think I'm going to send a letter to the national organization about the Commanding Officer of the USNSCC unit I'm leaving. |
| 18:42.12 | tene | If I threaten you will you send a letter to my commanding officer? |
| 18:43.02 | findlay | ~nuke cpanel |
| 18:43.03 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at cpanel ... B☢☢M! |
| 18:43.10 | findlay | ~bzfrag cpanel |
| 18:43.12 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill cpanel, but finds the shield flag |
| 18:43.14 | findlay | ~die cpanel |
| 18:43.15 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head, murders cpanel then crumples to the ground, lifeless... |
| 18:43.20 | mheath | heh. |
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| 18:46.02 | findlay | stupid cpanel! |
| 18:47.17 | tene | yay! |
| 18:49.48 | tensai | it's interesting to see who still has voice and thus never leaves the channel |
| 18:51.36 | tensai | findlay: I was listening to Dvorak's 9th symphony. the 3rd movement reminded me of John Williams' music for the light saber battle in ep 1. |
| 18:52.12 | maquis | sweet... lightsaber..... |
| 18:53.34 | SB1-Work | findlay, I would still have voice if I hadn't accidently killed X at home :( |
| 18:57.43 | mheath | I have a Sun Ultra Enteprise 1 with monitor, a Nintendo DS, and 450Mhz Pentium III computer, all of which I'm trying to get rid of.' |
| 18:57.55 | mheath | If anyones interested in any of those, feel free to privmsg me |
| 18:59.21 | tensai | curiously, those all have about the same processing power |
| 18:59.36 | mheath | heh |
| 18:59.45 | mheath | I wish. The DS is far slower.e |
| 19:00.35 | mheath | The DS can run Linux, but it has almost no RAM, and the way memory is handled in the CPU makes Swap impossible |
| 19:00.35 | mheath | but it runs lots of cool games just fine. |
| 19:03.47 | findlay | tensai: yes. You can hear a lot of Tschaikowsky, Stravinsky, Mussorsky, Shostakovich in Williams' stuff |
| 19:04.15 | findlay | he is definitly one of the most talented music authors of our day |
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| 19:07.52 | elg | -lart ibot |
| 19:08.00 | findlay | ~sand brac |
| 19:17.21 | sjansen | ~chrome elg |
| 19:18.24 | elg | ~sprinkle sjansen |
| 19:19.39 | harleypig | Tenessee Williams? |
| 19:20.00 | harleypig | ~sp Tenessee |
| 19:20.06 | harleypig | ~spell Tenessee |
| 19:20.21 | harleypig | ah |
| 19:20.27 | harleypig | 2 n's |
| 19:20.51 | harleypig | Hey! Tense's not in that list |
| 19:23.13 | elg | sigh. it's always the one email I do need that I can never find |
| 19:23.37 | mheath | elg, thats why I love G-Mail :) |
| 19:23.49 | mheath | E-mail is never deleted, and I just search through it to find what I need. |
| 19:23.52 | elg | i can search more efficiently with mutt |
| 19:23.58 | elg | it's trying to remember which account it was that stinks |
| 19:24.17 | mheath | Wow, faxing is slow |
| 19:24.23 | mheath | I think this is the first time I've ever sent a fax. |
| 19:25.16 | SB1-Work | faxing is slow |
| 19:25.36 | SB1-Work | That's why I've got a few fax machines that take all incoming faxes, convert them to .pdf and send them to an e-mail |
| 19:25.58 | SB1-Work | (and likewise, the users have printers which asks for a phone number when they hit print, and tada) |
| 19:29.06 | sjansen | teche teche teche |
| 19:30.34 | elg | cool. I get to TA the discrete math undergrad class in fall |
| 19:34.05 | macnewbold | it could be a lot worse, tensai |
| 19:34.19 | macnewbold | discrete math is a lot more fun than some of the calculus classes I took |
| 19:35.28 | elg | discrete math is one of the most fun classes an undergrad can take |
| 19:35.31 | elg | imho |
| 19:37.49 | macnewbold | which school? |
| 19:39.55 | levi | Discrete math is pretty cool. |
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| 19:42.41 | mheath | Wow, Undernet has a great IRC network. |
| 19:43.01 | mheath | I managed to get K-Lined by accidentally connecting twice (double clicked on the connect button in Xchat) |
| 19:43.04 | atoponce | mheath: why do you say that? netsplits left and right |
| 19:45.57 | sjansen | tlh <-- Quick, what's the first thing that comes to mind? |
| 19:46.54 | maquis | the letter head |
| 19:47.12 | mrpull | sjansen: THC? |
| 19:47.15 | maquis | i have no idea wy that came to mind |
| 19:47.23 | maquis | but you did ask for the first thing that comes to mind |
| 19:47.46 | atoponce | tallahassee |
| 19:50.53 | maquis | my friend says "nothing" |
| 19:51.18 | mrpull | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_language |
| 19:51.25 | mrpull | steenking trekies |
| 19:51.29 | sjansen | http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/myth.cgi/Balder.html <-- Norse mythology is such fun. :-) |
| 19:52.07 | maquis | sjansen: are you bored while proctoring a test? |
| 19:52.21 | sjansen | kinda |
| 19:52.45 | sjansen | I'm not bored, because I'm finding things to do. I would be bored if I weren't finding things to do. |
| 19:52.53 | maquis | sjansen: you're in the most beautiful area of the world, and you're bored? |
| 19:53.30 | maquis | sjansen: how's the weather in seattle today? |
| 19:53.54 | sjansen | Can't tell, too many trees. |
| 19:54.04 | maquis | ah |
| 19:54.04 | sjansen | I think I see blue. |
| 19:54.17 | maquis | my parents keep complaining about how hot it is this summer |
| 19:55.17 | atoponce | mrpull: nice |
| 19:57.39 | herlo | maquis: its hot? |
| 19:57.44 | herlo | maquis: that sucks |
| 19:58.13 | maquis | herlo: my parents keep saying that |
| 19:58.25 | herlo | maquis: what's the temp like? |
| 19:58.28 | maquis | they've been having "record highs" in the low 90s |
| 19:58.42 | herlo | in Seattle?> |
| 19:58.55 | maquis | yup |
| 19:59.07 | maquis | that's pretty warm for seattle |
| 19:59.09 | herlo | wow, 90s is high up there |
| 19:59.09 | maquis | even in august |
| 19:59.30 | herlo | when I was in Eugene last summer, it got into the low 90s and everybody was complaining... |
| 19:59.44 | atoponce | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap020810.html |
| 19:59.55 | maquis | yup |
| 20:01.37 | SB1-Work | Now I'm HORRIBLY confused |
| 20:01.53 | SB1-Work | Looking at the DHCP server, there's one there with the hostname "BAD_ADDRESS" |
| 20:02.03 | SB1-Work | So I nmap it... |
| 20:02.19 | SB1-Work | send_closedudp_probe: One or more of your parameters suck! |
| 20:02.19 | SB1-Work | PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION |
| 20:02.20 | SB1-Work | 0/tcp closed unknown |
| 20:02.28 | SB1-Work | And that's it |
| 20:02.41 | maquis | SB1-Work: is that actually what the error message says? |
| 20:02.48 | SB1-Work | maquis, yup |
| 20:02.51 | maquis | lol |
| 20:02.53 | maquis | that rocks |
| 20:02.57 | fozzmoo | Sounds like something written in PHP. |
| 20:03.11 | sjansen | Dr. Speers is known for having undertaken the endeavour to raise his child bilingually in English and Klingon. <-- Uhm... wow... |
| 20:03.34 | SB1-Work | fozzmoo, no, it sounds like nmap ;) |
| 20:04.15 | SB1-Work | hmm |
| 20:04.22 | SB1-Work | and that IP isn't in the DNS, either.. |
| 20:05.01 | herlo | fozzmoo: are you picking on php? |
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| 20:08.54 | maquis | SB1-Work: rogue? |
| 20:10.57 | fozzmoo | herlo: Of course. |
| 20:11.50 | SB1-Work | maquis, I'm not sure, it seems to be a black hole of an IP address that registered with DHCP (or at least tried) |
| 20:12.25 | maquis | SB1-Work: interesting.... |
| 20:12.27 | herlo | fozzmoo: be careful, PHP will be the next best thing to sliced bread soon, so you'd better watch out.... |
| 20:12.38 | maquis | SB1-Work: does it respond to pings? |
| 20:12.46 | maquis | ie, can you ping it? |
| 20:12.57 | fozzmoo | Yeah, I remember when Visual Basic was "the next best thing to sliced bread." I didn't use that then, either. |
| 20:13.00 | maquis | (sorry if any of my questions are stupid, btw... i don't know a whole lot about this stuff) |
| 20:13.11 | maquis | vb sucks |
| 20:13.21 | fozzmoo | maquis: My point, exactly. |
| 20:13.28 | herlo | fozzmoo: but PHP rules! |
| 20:13.45 | fozzmoo | Another point made exquisitely clear. |
| 20:13.45 | maquis | fozzmoo: yeah... the only thing vb has going for it is that it was my first programming language... |
| 20:13.58 | maquis | and it convinced me to go into CS |
| 20:14.05 | maquis | but once i learned anything else, it sucked |
| 20:14.26 | herlo | maquis: I am so proud of you! |
| 20:14.39 | maquis | -lart herlo |
| 20:14.45 | maquis | hahaha |
| 20:14.49 | herlo | maquis: I am glad it didn't take that long to convert you |
| 20:15.03 | herlo | ~lart maquis |
| 20:15.10 | herlo | oh, yeah |
| 20:15.16 | SB1-Work | maquis, yeah, and it has the MAC address of a computer |
| 20:15.35 | maquis | SB1-Work: ok... so, it exists, responds to pings, and has a MAC address |
| 20:15.57 | SB1-Work | maquis, but it broke nmap. |
| 20:15.59 | maquis | is it a mac address of a computer that's *supposed* to be on the network? |
| 20:16.08 | herlo | maquis: how... why? but you were...? I swore you were just burned to a crisp with a laser |
| 20:16.19 | maquis | herlo: yeah... but you have to use emacs |
| 20:16.28 | herlo | maquis: I can use emacs.. |
| 20:16.39 | SB1-Work | maquis, dunno. I don't record the MAC addresses for the computers |
| 20:16.44 | herlo | to exit it and realias vi correctly |
| 20:16.55 | maquis | SB1-Work: ok... hmmm... |
| 20:17.16 | maquis | can you ssh to it? telnet to it? |
| 20:17.19 | maquis | anything like that? |
| 20:17.22 | SB1-Work | maquis, I think I'm going to end up driving over there and finding the computer in question |
| 20:17.32 | maquis | SB1-Work: i can understand that |
| 20:17.33 | SB1-Work | Then removing whatever trojan/virus some person got installed :) |
| 20:17.36 | maquis | it just sounds like a fun project |
| 20:17.37 | maquis | :) |
| 20:17.47 | goozbach | sjansen: pee before the exam |
| 20:17.52 | goozbach | it's a MUST |
| 20:17.54 | SB1-Work | The building that it's in, the original building of this company |
| 20:18.03 | SB1-Work | maquis, runs XP with admin rights |
| 20:18.09 | maquis | SB1-Work: ok... |
| 20:18.17 | maquis | let me know what it is when you find it, please |
| 20:18.17 | goozbach | I had to learn that one the hard way, multiple times |
| 20:18.19 | maquis | i'm curious |
| 20:18.20 | SB1-Work | maquis, hence why I need to go over there and cleain computers :) |
| 20:18.27 | maquis | SB1-Work: yeah... |
| 20:18.29 | SB1-Work | maquis, it's just some trojan/virus, I'm sure |
| 20:18.33 | SB1-Work | *clean |
| 20:18.36 | maquis | SB1-Work: yeah... |
| 20:18.44 | maquis | i just want more info when you find it :) |
| 20:18.50 | SB1-Work | lol |
| 20:18.51 | SB1-Work | 'k ;) |
| 20:18.58 | maquis | later |
| 20:19.08 | SB1-Work | I'm not leaving *now*.. |
| 20:19.16 | fozzmoo | Leave us. |
| 20:19.18 | SB1-Work | okay |
| 20:19.19 | maquis | oh |
| 20:19.19 | SB1-Work | bai |
| 20:19.20 | maquis | ok |
| 20:19.22 | fozzmoo | heh heh. |
| 20:19.25 | maquis | lol |
| 20:19.37 | herlo | maquis: what are you doing to poor SB1-Work |
| 20:19.53 | maquis | herlo: nothing |
| 20:19.54 | maquis | you? |
| 20:19.55 | fozzmoo | I say "Leave us" all the time now. |
| 20:20.23 | fozzmoo | Ever since I saw "Underworld" and everytime the characters would face a tough decision, they'd turn to all the secondary characters and say, "Leave us." |
| 20:20.31 | fozzmoo | It was always "Leave us." |
| 20:20.34 | fozzmoo | Seemed silly. |
| 20:20.38 | fozzmoo | But it's my catchphrase now. |
| 20:21.43 | goozbach | I'm gonna watch that on CoD tonight |
| 20:21.44 | SB1-Work | This office runs XP with *no admin rights* |
| 20:21.47 | goozbach | underworld |
| 20:21.49 | goozbach | that is |
| 20:21.50 | SB1-Work | So I had to go install a doc viewer. |
| 20:21.56 | goozbach | cause I don't got no date |
| 20:22.03 | sjansen | goozbach: Duh. I did. The cold water shot through me like nobody's business. And of course I drank two bottles in the first half hour. |
| 20:22.33 | levi | sjansen: Did you keep one of the bottles handy? ;) |
| 20:22.39 | SB1-Work | haha |
| 20:22.45 | SB1-Work | levi has the winning suggestion |
| 20:22.53 | goozbach | grow a bigger bladder? |
| 20:23.21 | fozzmoo | I've been saying for years that Thinkgeek should sell a self-catheterization kit. |
| 20:23.36 | goozbach | *shudder* |
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| 20:23.53 | goozbach | pergrine!!!! close your tags!!! |
| 20:24.03 | goozbach | ~bzfrag pergrine |
| 20:24.04 | ibot | ACTION kills pergrine with a shot from his BZTank |
| 20:24.05 | Jayce^ | goozbach, agreed |
| 20:24.19 | fozzmoo | Then you could be sitting there working on something, rockin out to some trance, and then pause, sigh, (shiver), and go back to work. |
| 20:24.24 | maquis | goozbach: what'd peregrine break? |
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| 20:27.27 | fozzmoo | HE'S GONE! |
| 20:27.36 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it's the SELF part I'm not too keen on |
| 20:27.47 | SB1-Work | lol |
| 20:27.50 | goozbach | maquis: openclue, and google reader |
| 20:27.54 | SB1-Work | goozbach, what do you want? An automated one? |
| 20:28.02 | goozbach | no, someone else to do it |
| 20:28.05 | fozzmoo | I'd imagine it's like training your body to accept contact lenses. |
| 20:28.13 | goozbach | I've had a catheter a couple times |
| 20:28.18 | fozzmoo | Just work on it for for a couple weeks. |
| 20:28.24 | fozzmoo | Then it'll be second nature. |
| 20:28.27 | goozbach | trust me when I say that you want someone skilled to put it in |
| 20:28.29 | levi | You wouldn't need a /real/ catheter, since you have full control of your sphincter muscles. |
| 20:28.37 | Jayce^ | hrm, costco has some new 'jalepeno smokehouse' almonds.... quite tasty |
| 20:28.51 | fozzmoo | Just don't ever leave the house without it because you might forget you did |
| 20:29.07 | goozbach | they gave me a blackberry today |
| 20:29.13 | goozbach | *sigh* |
| 20:29.15 | fozzmoo | levi: Good point. |
| 20:29.18 | fozzmoo | goozbach: I'm sorry. |
| 20:29.27 | maquis | goozbach: ah |
| 20:29.27 | fozzmoo | Everyone I know who has a BB has Treo-envy. |
| 20:29.50 | goozbach | unlocked? |
| 20:29.55 | nick125_lappy | GSM |
| 20:30.05 | fozzmoo | Not tied to a provider. |
| 20:30.12 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 20:30.27 | levi | I just have a lame treo 600. Sprint just sent me an offer to buy it for something like $30. |
| 20:30.54 | levi | I don't use the phone portion of it anymore. Makes a great alarm clock, though. |
| 20:31.01 | fozzmoo | Yeah- they do make good alarms. |
| 20:31.43 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 20:32.12 | fozzmoo | My Treo is getting pretty worn out... |
| 20:32.22 | goozbach | nick125_lappy: linky? how does one unlock it? |
| 20:32.30 | fozzmoo | You buy them unlocked. |
| 20:32.30 | goozbach | sprint is beginning to piss me off |
| 20:32.33 | nick125_lappy | goozbach: I bought mine unlocked |
| 20:32.33 | goozbach | ahh |
| 20:32.38 | sjansen | I choose to blame the state of Washington. |
| 20:32.47 | fozzmoo | sjansen: They blame you too. |
| 20:32.57 | goozbach | I blame... well you all know who I blame. |
| 20:33.05 | levi | sjansen: Passing blame around won't empty your bladder. |
| 20:33.24 | goozbach | trashcans can help |
| 20:33.28 | fozzmoo | I probably need a Treo 700 |
| 20:33.47 | fozzmoo | It's getting close to time to throw the 650 down. |
| 20:33.49 | mrpull | goozbach: can you use a sprint phone with any other carrier? (maybe verizon, but definitely not cingular or tmobile) |
| 20:34.02 | nick125_lappy | mrpull: its possible.. |
| 20:34.05 | fozzmoo | I don't think so. |
| 20:34.12 | nick125_lappy | since both verizon and sprint are CDMA |
| 20:34.20 | fozzmoo | goozbach: What's wrong with Sprint in FL? |
| 20:34.31 | nick125_lappy | and, I remember when sprint had exclusive rights on the CDMA treo that people "coverted" them to verizon treos |
| 20:34.40 | herlo | goozbach: I am not sure, who do you blame? |
| 20:34.50 | redbeard1 | herlo: blame Jayce^ |
| 20:35.05 | herlo | redbeard1: I can do that |
| 20:35.10 | herlo | ~blame Jayce^ |
| 20:35.12 | ibot | ACTION blames Jayce^ (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:35.18 | fozzmoo | I'm not terribly happy with Sprint here in SLC. |
| 20:35.20 | mrpull | nick125_lappy: that is right. i remember now |
| 20:35.34 | herlo | fozzmoo: Sprint is nice for data, voice still has issues |
| 20:35.44 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: my first cellphone was with sprint. i was happy to switch |
| 20:35.51 | nick125_lappy | and, I know that here, everyone loves to have their phones flashed from <insert CDMA carrier> to cricket |
| 20:36.00 | goozbach | how's bout a usabuilty study |
| 20:36.07 | fozzmoo | I had Verizon for years and years. Only switched to Sprint for the Treo and affordable data service. |
| 20:36.08 | goozbach | palm aparently could afford one. |
| 20:36.12 | fozzmoo | But man, the voice service sucks. |
| 20:36.16 | fozzmoo | dropped calls left and right. |
| 20:36.31 | fozzmoo | There's a HUGE dead area near Smith and Edwards in North Weber Co. |
| 20:36.34 | Jayce^ | herlo, so where were you on the 2nd |
| 20:36.44 | fozzmoo | About 4-5 dead areas on Bangerter Hwy |
| 20:36.51 | nick125_lappy | only $20 a month for data |
| 20:36.57 | goozbach | fozzmoo: it's a customer service issue |
| 20:37.04 | maquis | Jayce^: didn't you get the memo? |
| 20:37.09 | goozbach | EVERY month without fail they close off my account |
| 20:37.20 | maquis | we all sent subconscious memos to forget the meeting |
| 20:37.27 | maquis | you just must've been left out |
| 20:37.30 | nick125_lappy | close off as in? |
| 20:37.35 | goozbach | I'm just a few dollars under the spending limit aparently |
| 20:37.50 | redbeard1 | speaking of Jayce^, is plug next week? |
| 20:37.51 | goozbach | if I roam more than 12 minutes I go over |
| 20:38.11 | levi | I'm very happy with my new T-Mobile To-Go phone. |
| 20:38.23 | tensai | message from my boss: |
| 20:38.26 | fozzmoo | goozbach: That's nuts |
| 20:38.26 | levi | Since I very rarely use my cell phone, I pay very little. |
| 20:38.27 | tensai | If a Qwest guy shows up in your office take him hostage. I will handle negotiations. |
| 20:38.33 | goozbach | nick125_lappy: "you haven't paid your bill... sucker your phone is disconnected" |
| 20:38.36 | nick125_lappy | tensai: hahaah |
| 20:38.41 | nick125_lappy | goozbach: ah, that kind |
| 20:38.44 | herlo | Jayce^: I blew it |
| 20:38.53 | Jayce^ | that's for sure :) |
| 20:38.55 | herlo | Jayce^: I thought that for some reason I was in CDT |
| 20:39.00 | herlo | but I am in PDT |
| 20:39.20 | tensai | levi: do your minutes expire? |
| 20:39.22 | nick125_lappy | goozbach: and, when you call them, what do they do? |
| 20:39.27 | sjansen | (14:35:57) Lamont: I've done nothing with my fonts. |
| 20:39.27 | sjansen | (14:36:13) Stuart Jansen: You probably didn't close a tag. |
| 20:39.28 | sjansen | (14:36:21) Lamont: Ah, I see it. |
| 20:39.28 | sjansen | (14:36:51) Lamont: Right. That's what it was. |
| 20:39.28 | sjansen | (14:37:11) Lamont: I was missing a </code>. |
| 20:39.44 | levi | tensai: Eventually, but whatever is left refreshes when I buy new minutes. |
| 20:39.56 | herlo | Jayce^: so I left the office and was on my way home during the time meeting was supposed to happen, I only realized it about 5 minutes before I got off the train |
| 20:40.00 | levi | tensai: After you've spent a total of $100 on minutes, they all last a year. |
| 20:40.03 | goozbach | nick125_lappy: I've called several times about increasing the spending limit. |
| 20:40.06 | Jayce^ | sjansen, give him a ~shoot Lamont |
| 20:40.15 | goozbach | "only if you buy another phone" |
| 20:40.20 | goozbach | punks |
| 20:40.35 | fozzmoo | That's stupid. Ask for their supervisor. |
| 20:40.36 | tensai | levi: that's what I've seen with other pre-pay systems. so essentially there's a minimum recurring charge, but typically a lot less than a regular phone |
| 20:40.45 | goozbach | I've set up automatic payments every month my bill is paid on time |
| 20:40.46 | fozzmoo | Be a prick. |
| 20:41.06 | nick125_lappy | yeah, request a supervisor |
| 20:41.07 | levi | tensai: Yeah, I pay something like $25 every three months or so. |
| 20:41.09 | sjansen | Go through the motions of cancelling your account, only customer retention has any real power. |
| 20:41.20 | goozbach | fozzmoo: when I spend ~50mins per person I talk to on hold? |
| 20:41.21 | nick125_lappy | sjansen: that always works.. |
| 20:41.27 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Call from work. |
| 20:41.36 | fozzmoo | Isn't customer service a free call? |
| 20:41.43 | fozzmoo | I thought it didn't go on your minutes. |
| 20:41.45 | elg | my inlaws are funny |
| 20:41.47 | nick125_lappy | 611 usually is |
| 20:41.55 | nick125_lappy | in all the carriers I've dealt with |
| 20:42.03 | *** join/#utah atoponce (n=aaron@c-24-2-85-66.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 20:42.07 | elg | cell phone addicts. and they want my wife to have one "for safety" |
| 20:42.09 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Tell them you've got the state attorney general there with you. |
| 20:42.14 | goozbach | heh |
| 20:42.20 | nick125_lappy | elg: what?! |
| 20:42.30 | levi | elg: You can get a deactivated one for emergencies. |
| 20:42.30 | tensai | goozbach: tell them you've got a landline and you're not afraid to use it |
| 20:42.30 | nick125_lappy | 14 cell phones does not mean an addiction! |
| 20:42.32 | elg | so we had one for $10/mo on the family plan |
| 20:42.46 | elg | levi: yeah, that's what I said, but I guess just being able to call 911 isn't safe enough. :) |
| 20:42.56 | tensai | my wife never takes hers anywhere. I call and the phone rings on the counter. |
| 20:43.01 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:43.13 | elg | with her dad going to iraq and other kids moving out and stuff they were reevaluating. |
| 20:43.29 | elg | and my wife is sick of the voip dance because I'm always fiddling with things |
| 20:43.34 | elg | so we were going to get a regular qwest line |
| 20:43.35 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:43.47 | tensai | elg: stop saying the word! |
| 20:43.47 | fozzmoo | I think I'm going ot have to get a VOIP set up at home. |
| 20:44.00 | elg | but they're all, hey well actually we'll just arrange it so you can keep the phone for $10/mo |
| 20:44.41 | elg | so they're going to pay 2/3 of our cell phone bill so her mom can feel warm fuzzy :) |
| 20:44.42 | harleypig | http://www.letssaythanks.com |
| 20:44.51 | harleypig | Send a card to a GI overseas |
| 20:45.04 | levi | elg: Can't pass that up. :) |
| 20:45.09 | elg | nope :) |
| 20:45.18 | elg | too bad it's an 801 number |
| 20:45.31 | elg | oh well, this way only people that really want to talk to us will call us |
| 20:45.40 | levi | It's nice when the worrying of women actually produces something valuable. ;) |
| 20:45.45 | elg | we still have our 505 number but for some odd reason it's not local for half the city |
| 20:46.19 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: so, what's plug this month, duder? |
| 20:46.39 | elg | redbeard1: cheesecake |
| 20:47.06 | sjansen | Hey, I'll actually be around for a Plug meeting! |
| 20:47.09 | levi | plug is cheesecake?! |
| 20:47.13 | sjansen | Jayce^: You'd better pick a good topic. |
| 20:47.38 | tensai | just check the website, I'm sure it's been updated with all the relevant information |
| 20:47.49 | redbeard1 | plug has a website? |
| 20:48.10 | tensai | oh yes. it's timely and informative too |
| 20:48.16 | tensai | isn't that right, sjansen? |
| 20:48.39 | redbeard1 | sjansen: hey, i'm looking forward to your ConTeXt presentation |
| 20:49.15 | sjansen | You'll have to talk to the Plug Web master about any issues related to the site. |
| 20:49.51 | *** join/#utah PeregrineFalcon (n=lamontp@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 20:50.12 | redbeard1 | sjansen: and who might that be? |
| 20:50.27 | sjansen | You'd have to ask Jayce^. I resigned months ago. |
| 20:50.54 | tensai | Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Plug Webmaster... |
| 20:51.07 | herlo | redbeard1: haven't you seen that presentation before? |
| 20:51.25 | redbeard1 | herlo: which one? context? |
| 20:51.33 | sjansen | tensai: Are you saying you'd like to wear another hat? |
| 20:51.35 | PeregrineFalcon | Hey, I wanted to pop in and appologize to everyone for missing a closing </code> tag on that past of mine to my work blog. I understand it messed up the look of fonts for some people when they visited http://openclue.org/ut/, but it didn't in my browsers. |
| 20:51.50 | fozzmoo | PeregrineFalcon: You get my e-mail? |
| 20:52.08 | PeregrineFalcon | fozzmoo: yup. Thanks. :) |
| 20:52.08 | redbeard1 | PeregrineFalcon: don't worry, i think the swearing at you has slowed. |
| 20:52.18 | goozbach | no it hasn't |
| 20:52.31 | goozbach | I just don't put it into the channel, AUP and all |
| 20:52.39 | goozbach | :) |
| 20:52.57 | PeregrineFalcon | thanks goozbach for keeping it alive in your heart, though. |
| 20:53.17 | goozbach | my coworkers are wondering if I have Turrettes however |
| 20:53.27 | fozzmoo | Should be confirmed soon. |
| 20:53.55 | PeregrineFalcon | lol. That's funny cause I was listening to NPR on my way home for lunch today, and they were having a conversation about the entemology of swear words and turrets. |
| 20:55.02 | fozzmoo | I think I would probably develop Tourettes Syndrome if I spent much time listening to NPR. ;-) |
| 20:55.03 | tensai | goozbach: I think RyanE fixed his connection, at least he stopped popping into #utaug |
| 20:55.05 | sjansen | cursing and rotating gun mounts? who says NPR isn't cool? |
| 20:55.40 | levi | entymology = study of insects, etymology = study of history/evolution of words |
| 20:55.59 | fozzmoo | hee hee. |
| 20:56.02 | sjansen | bugs, cursing, and guns! it just keeps getting better! |
| 20:56.11 | PeregrineFalcon | Thanks, levi. |
| 20:57.05 | herlo | redbeard1: yeah, ConteXt, he did it for plug, sorry to hear you missed it |
| 20:57.20 | mrpull | http://consumerist.com/consumer/csr/exclusive-every-phone-numbers-for-twc-level-3-tech-support-192240.php |
| 20:57.24 | redbeard1 | herlo: no, i was there, actually |
| 20:57.39 | redbeard1 | i was mostly mocking the up-to-dateness of plug.org |
| 20:57.42 | sjansen | It was my glorious presentation that convinced herlo he hoped to one day be a Guru too. |
| 20:57.52 | herlo | redbeard1: ahh |
| 20:57.58 | herlo | sjansen: was not |
| 20:58.12 | redbeard1 | sjansen: wait, did i miss the glorious part? |
| 20:58.17 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, agreed on NPR :) |
| 20:58.21 | goozbach | sjansen: it was my XEN presentation |
| 20:58.28 | sjansen | I can still remember the doe-eyed look of admiration as he blew me kisses. (Frankly, I though it was creepy, but at least we had a table between us.) |
| 20:58.28 | herlo | sjansen: I was already a Guru at that point. I don't need your approval |
| 20:58.36 | goozbach | and the fact that he could emulate me by taking my place |
| 20:58.42 | herlo | sjansen is sick |
| 20:58.51 | herlo | and he's also unhealthy |
| 20:58.56 | redbeard1 | herlo: yeah, but what else is new, eh? |
| 20:59.13 | Jayce^ | Plug will be OSCON highlights (top tips learned, notes sharing)... along with redbeard1 bringing cheescake :) |
| 20:59.27 | tensai | I'm so excited. "Scooby-Doo Meets Batman" is on its way to my house, even as we speak. |
| 20:59.33 | herlo | sjansen: you should go lie down for a while and fix that head of yours. Maybe a psychiatrist can help....oh wait, I am talking about sjansen, sorry man, no chance for you |
| 20:59.52 | herlo | redbeard1: no argument from me, we just need to be reminded from time to time |
| 21:00.06 | goozbach | cheesecake, yummm |
| 21:00.38 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: i don't remember agreeding to that... |
| 21:00.38 | herlo | tensai: when you are done, will you send that my way?: |
| 21:00.51 | sjansen | redbeard1: That's okay, we do. |
| 21:01.01 | herlo | yup, I remember it |
| 21:01.03 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, you didn't need to, this is plug, you were voulenteered |
| 21:01.48 | tensai | 82 minutes of animated gold |
| 21:01.48 | sjansen | And they call me sick. |
| 21:01.48 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: you act as if i have nothing better to do with my time than cook |
| 21:01.49 | redbeard1 | oh, wait. |
| 21:01.51 | Jayce^ | see |
| 21:02.01 | sjansen | You do have something better to do with your time: cook for us. |
| 21:02.12 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:02.28 | redbeard1 | how about that, eh? |
| 21:04.03 | sjansen | I was hoping for that impossible fudge you invented. |
| 21:04.12 | redbeard1 | no fudge! |
| 21:04.27 | sjansen | Some how grits in my pants just isn't the same. |
| 21:04.31 | levi | The fudge nazi. |
| 21:04.42 | redbeard1 | levi: no fudge for you! |
| 21:04.51 | maquis | redbeard1: you really should've passed some of the failed fudge along |
| 21:05.04 | maquis | i know some college students who would've eaten it... |
| 21:05.10 | Jayce^ | maquis, he did, dont' you remember him passing it around... |
| 21:05.14 | Jayce^ | oh wait, that was here at work.. |
| 21:05.23 | redbeard1 | maquis: they might have tried, but they wouldnt have gotten far |
| 21:05.24 | sjansen | ~paint Jayce^ |
| 21:05.26 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^ |
| 21:05.27 | herlo | Here's the entry I found: (09:00:38 PM) readbeard1: Oh, plug meeting? I'll bring cheesecake. What kind does everybody want? |
| 21:05.31 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: that wasn't the failed stuff |
| 21:05.48 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, which time :) |
| 21:05.51 | redbeard1 | herlo: hey! where did you find that? |
| 21:05.54 | maquis | redbeard1: why? |
| 21:05.59 | maquis | it was edible, right? |
| 21:06.10 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you in town mid-september (or anybody else for that matter?) |
| 21:06.20 | redbeard1 | maquis: that's questionable |
| 21:06.22 | Jayce^ | Aliens in the Rockies, overnight scenario game.. |
| 21:06.33 | maquis | redbeard1: go back to your college days... was it edible? |
| 21:06.50 | redbeard1 | maquis: the only college i went to was cooking school. |
| 21:06.55 | maquis | redbeard1: hmm |
| 21:07.02 | sjansen | Jayce^: no idea |
| 21:07.06 | maquis | think of an average college student |
| 21:07.09 | Jayce^ | sjansen, start planning :) |
| 21:07.15 | maquis | would the average college student find it edible? |
| 21:07.32 | redbeard1 | maquis: only if they were pretty desperate. |
| 21:07.43 | Jayce^ | my team has been selected to be the "aliens"... so the people who come in and cause trouble between the two main teams, or help out if a team is getting hammered |
| 21:07.51 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, you can come too :) |
| 21:08.08 | maquis | Jayce^: any chance you could move the event to seattle? |
| 21:08.23 | fozzmoo | Sugar-free cheesecake, and I'm there! |
| 21:08.30 | goozbach | Jayce^: dates? |
| 21:08.32 | Jayce^ | maquis, there are a lot of good ones out there.. that's where I learned to play |
| 21:08.41 | redbeard1 | maquis: hey, you coming to plug this month? or do you have "class" again or something? |
| 21:08.54 | maquis | redbeard1: when is it? |
| 21:08.57 | redbeard1 | goozbach: Jayce^ never got a lot of dates |
| 21:09.03 | redbeard1 | maquis: this coming wednesday |
| 21:09.16 | goozbach | yeah but he ended up with a hot wife, so there's hope for me |
| 21:09.17 | maquis | Jayce^: true... but i don't know people to play with out there |
| 21:09.26 | Jayce^ | goozbach, http://mpaintball.com/aliens/index.html |
| 21:09.27 | brac | [Aliens in the Rockies - Paintball Scenario Game] |
| 21:09.40 | maquis | redbeard1: possibly |
| 21:09.46 | Jayce^ | sniff, they are filming new promo material for the game with my team this wednesday... |
| 21:09.46 | maquis | that would be the 9th, right? |
| 21:09.51 | Jayce^ | they sacrificies I make for plug |
| 21:10.02 | redbeard1 | maquis: yeah |
| 21:10.09 | maquis | hopefully |
| 21:11.22 | findlay | what's an ethernet pause frame? |
| 21:11.56 | SB1-Work | heh |
| 21:12.28 | SB1-Work | I'm trying to copy over the CA's SSL cert via ssh (from windows --> linux) in order to make my LDAP users work |
| 21:12.36 | SB1-Work | So I connect via SSH, before the file listing loads, copy it over |
| 21:12.50 | SB1-Work | the thing is, LDAP is broken but enabled.. so my SSH is hanging... :) |
| 21:13.31 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: you're diabetic? |
| 21:14.30 | fozzmoo | redbeard1: Yep. Type 1. |
| 21:14.32 | fozzmoo | Going on 6 years now. |
| 21:14.54 | maquis | Jayce^: the videos segfaulted firefox |
| 21:14.55 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: are you familiar with agave nectar? |
| 21:15.04 | fozzmoo | nope. |
| 21:15.15 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, boy is he ever... oh wait, that's just when it's fermented |
| 21:15.37 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: it's supposed to be really, really low on the glycemic index... and it tastes a lot like honey |
| 21:15.45 | fozzmoo | huh. |
| 21:15.48 | redbeard1 | i'm interested to know how that does for you |
| 21:16.05 | redbeard1 | since i'm opposed to the use of splenda |
| 21:16.21 | redbeard1 | s/use/taste/ |
| 21:18.04 | elg | levi: what do you think, does this class sound like fun? |
| 21:18.06 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/CSWS/php/courseDetail.php?tb_id=87 |
| 21:18.07 | brac | [Course Detail] |
| 21:18.15 | goozbach | o/~ mister would you please help my pony? o/~ |
| 21:18.44 | fozzmoo | opposed to the use of Splenda? |
| 21:19.01 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: just the taste, really |
| 21:19.01 | herlo | redbeard1: I found it in the very deepest log in the deepest river of the deepest valley of the deepest land |
| 21:19.04 | fozzmoo | Oh okay. |
| 21:19.20 | elg | levi: this is the text: http://books.elsevier.com/us//apmath/us/subindex.asp?maintarget=&isbn=0125980531&country=United+States&srccode=&ref=&subcode=&head=&pdf=&basiccode=&txtSearch=&SearchField=&operator=&order=&community=apmath |
| 21:19.21 | brac | [Elsevier: Mathematics & Statistics] |
| 21:19.36 | fozzmoo | As a diabetic, I don't avoid sugary foods, per se, I just eat a lot less of them than I would otherwise. |
| 21:19.54 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: ah, i understand. |
| 21:19.59 | levi | elg: Sounds like it could be interesting. Is the syllabus online? |
| 21:20.15 | elg | yeah, or at least the one from last year |
| 21:20.15 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~amiya/ |
| 21:20.16 | brac | [Amiya Bhattacharya's Home] |
| 21:20.24 | elg | same teacher. click on teaching, then cs 512 |
| 21:20.39 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: still, agave is the big buzzword right now in the health nut circles |
| 21:21.25 | redbeard1 | levi: have you heard the cure's cover of "love will tear us apart"? it's quite good. |
| 21:21.25 | goozbach | boring!!! |
| 21:21.29 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, *hic*.. never knew it was so healthy.. |
| 21:21.36 | goozbach | already |
| 21:21.52 | redbeard1 | mmm, tequila... |
| 21:21.53 | levi | redbeard1: I've heard so many covers of Love Will Tear Us Apart I don't remember which ones anymore. :) |
| 21:22.16 | levi | elg: The 'Theoretical Computer Science Cheat Sheet' scares me. |
| 21:22.28 | redbeard1 | levi: robert smith does it justice. certainly not something that can be said of most joy division covers. |
| 21:22.54 | elg | levi: hey that's awesome! |
| 21:23.21 | levi | elg: It probably is, but my math is really weak right now. |
| 21:23.31 | elg | that's why you want a cheat sheet. :) |
| 21:23.46 | levi | My math is too weak to understand the cheat sheet. :) |
| 21:23.58 | elg | I don't think that's what all is taught in the course, it's just a general cs theory cheat sheet |
| 21:26.29 | redbeard1 | levi: i just barely followed the link. what's scary is how many of those bands i know. |
| 21:36.51 | SB1-Work | heh, this is a horribly weird program |
| 21:37.01 | SB1-Work | It changes fonts with your resolution |
| 21:38.52 | tene | fozzmoo: ping |
| 21:39.43 | tene | so, I'm working on a FC system, and the route through the gateway doesn't come up on boot. Any ideas? |
| 21:44.07 | findlay | tene: can you manually add the gateway with `route add default gw <gw.ip.ad.dr>`? |
| 21:44.15 | Jayce^ | (h)ard boot, s(o)ft boot, (s)teel-toed boot... |
| 21:44.18 | WoodsDog | tene: what is in /etc/sysconfig/network? |
| 21:44.32 | findlay | dhclient? dhcpcd? |
| 21:45.58 | levi | elg: Sounds like it could be a very useful class for you, as long as you're up to the math. |
| 21:46.30 | tene | it works fine after I manually add it |
| 21:46.54 | tene | WoodsDog: networking=yes, hostname=localhost.localdomain |
| 21:47.06 | tene | I set the gateway in sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 |
| 21:48.03 | tene | Jayce^: any method of bringing the network up |
| 21:48.17 | WoodsDog | ifdown eth1; ifup eth1 |
| 21:48.34 | tene | WoodsDog: everything seems to work fine, but no default route is set |
| 21:49.02 | WoodsDog | add it to /etc/sysconfig/network |
| 21:49.13 | WoodsDog | GATEWAY=ip.add.re.ss |
| 21:49.15 | fozzmoo | Well, it's in ifcfg-eth1 |
| 21:49.23 | WoodsDog | GATEWAYDEV=eth1 |
| 21:52.32 | WoodsDog | tene: is the gateway on the same network as eth1? |
| 21:52.53 | tene | yes |
| 21:57.14 | herlo | WoodsDog: you can also put GATEWAY=ip.add.re.ss in your /etc/sysconfig/network file, but it will be overridden by anything in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-XXX |
| 21:57.40 | herlo | on a per-device basis |
| 21:58.49 | WoodsDog | that makes sense...but i guess i like to put it in network cause a system only has one default gw...just how i think about things |
| 21:59.09 | WoodsDog | tene: without knowing more details, i'm out of guesses as to why it isn't working. |
| 21:59.57 | tene | 'kay |
| 22:01.12 | herlo | WoodsDog: fair enough |
| 22:01.42 | WoodsDog | i was looking at ifup..it sources network..then it sources the ifcfg-eth? |
| 22:01.48 | WoodsDog | so you are totally right |
| 22:03.46 | Jayce^ | tene, DHCP? |
| 22:04.01 | tensai | maquis: unplug it and you'll find out |
| 22:04.11 | maquis | tensai: the problem is, it's not plugged into anything |
| 22:04.15 | maquis | it was in my geek drawer |
| 22:05.02 | maquis | it looks kinda like a large headphone or mic adapter at one end |
| 22:05.14 | maquis | and the other end splits into 2 parts... yellow and black |
| 22:06.10 | maquis | and those look like they would go into the back of a vcr or something |
| 22:06.51 | tensai | it probably does then |
| 22:06.52 | tensai | http://www.rockingstone.nl/itcenter/itemimages/002126.jpg |
| 22:06.56 | tensai | something like that? |
| 22:07.15 | levi | Yellow is typically video; black could be mono audio. |
| 22:07.58 | levi | My old Sony laptop has an adapter like that, except I think it's stereo. |
| 22:08.14 | tensai | http://www.worldofcables.com/store/catalog/03182.jpg |
| 22:08.23 | tensai | maquis: is that it there? |
| 22:08.31 | tensai | 'cept different colors |
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| 22:10.26 | levi | http://i15.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/76/3a/d6_1_b.JPG |
| 22:10.32 | levi | That's what mine looks like. |
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| 22:11.27 | maquis | tensai: close.. except the black end is male |
| 22:12.38 | elg | maquis: that's an a/v rca cable. |
| 22:12.49 | elg | well, three rca cables bundled which is typical for a/v |
| 22:12.58 | elg | black and red for stereo audio, yellow for video |
| 22:13.01 | maquis | hmm |
| 22:13.11 | maquis | elg: any idea what i would have it for? |
| 22:13.21 | herlo | maquis: does it have a video screen attached to the headphones? |
| 22:13.34 | levi | maquis: It didn't look like my picure? |
| 22:13.45 | maquis | levi: didn't see yours... let me check |
| 22:14.10 | maquis | levi: kind-of... only it only has 2 things at the split end |
| 22:14.32 | herlo | maquis: when I went to CES in January, there was a group there that was doing 3D and 2D together, but you had to wear these horrendously ugly glasses which were attached to some component to provide the 3D stuff... |
| 22:14.39 | levi | But the headphone-like jack on the one end is like that? |
| 22:14.40 | maquis | herlo: interesting |
| 22:14.45 | maquis | levi: yup |
| 22:14.53 | elg | ;maquiso on the one end it's two rca and the other end is what? |
| 22:15.05 | elg | headphone-size or the larger size? |
| 22:15.08 | maquis | elg: a headphone jack... like levi's picture |
| 22:15.16 | herlo | maquis: I thought it was cool.... |
| 22:15.17 | maquis | elg: it fits in my headphone port on my comptuer |
| 22:15.26 | levi | -urls 1 |
| 22:15.26 | brac | [2006/08/04 16:10:27] <levi> http://i15.ebayimg.com/04/i/04/76/3a/d6_1_b.JPG |
| 22:15.28 | elg | so miniplug |
| 22:15.41 | maquis | i haven't the slightest idea what it goes to, though |
| 22:15.51 | elg | well if it's miniplug on one end and dual rca on the other it's definitely meant for stereo audio |
| 22:15.52 | maquis | that's rather confusing |
| 22:15.56 | maquis | ok |
| 22:16.00 | elg | even if the colors are weirrd |
| 22:16.05 | levi | elg: Not necessarily. |
| 22:16.07 | maquis | hmm |
| 22:16.10 | maquis | oh... |
| 22:16.12 | maquis | i wonder... |
| 22:16.17 | elg | well, ok, it may not be _meant_ for audio |
| 22:16.20 | elg | but would work for audio |
| 22:16.28 | levi | elg: As I said, the one I pointed to does audio and video. |
| 22:16.34 | levi | elg: For a laptop. |
| 22:16.38 | elg | from a camcorder or something? |
| 22:16.39 | herlo | usually rca cables do accomplish audio even if their not intended that way |
| 22:16.42 | maquis | nope... doesn't go to any of my speakers |
| 22:16.53 | maquis | elg: i don't have a camcorder |
| 22:17.01 | levi | maquis: Did you have a previous laptop? |
| 22:17.06 | elg | laptop? what kind of video output? |
| 22:17.10 | maquis | levi: yeah... but these aren't from that |
| 22:17.26 | levi | elg: TV output. |
| 22:17.30 | maquis | and it didn't come with my pvr-150... i think |
| 22:17.43 | levi | elg: Yellow RCA plugs are generally video. |
| 22:17.44 | elg | odd. |
| 22:17.46 | maquis | unless it did... |
| 22:17.47 | elg | yup, they are |
| 22:18.00 | levi | And I assumed black would be mono audio. |
| 22:18.07 | levi | Since R/L are typically red and white. |
| 22:18.09 | elg | reasonable assumption |
| 22:18.13 | elg | or red and black |
| 22:18.19 | maquis | my pvr-150 is the only thing i can possibly think of... but i'm fairly certain it didn't come with that |
| 22:18.32 | levi | maquis: Does it have somewhere you could plug it in? |
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| 22:19.24 | elg | maybe you just picked it up at DI because it looked useful |
| 22:19.32 | levi | Maybe a digital camera? |
| 22:19.50 | elg | what does the miniplug look like? does it have one black band halfway up the pole, then a little black band at the base of the knob? |
| 22:20.05 | herlo | maquis: that so looks like the cable I got with my RCA video camera a few years ago. Where did you ever find it? I've been looking for it for years |
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| 22:23.36 | maquis | elg: yeah |
| 22:23.54 | elg | any more black bands than that? |
| 22:23.57 | maquis | herlo: i have't the slightest idea where i found it |
| 22:24.05 | maquis | nope just those two |
| 22:24.13 | maquis | i could post a picture if it would help |
| 22:24.25 | levi | It wouldn't need any more bands. |
| 22:24.33 | herlo | maquis: maybe its mine! |
| 22:24.35 | maquis | it's in mint condition |
| 22:24.57 | maquis | hey |
| 22:25.03 | maquis | i think i found out how to figure out what it is |
| 22:25.19 | maquis | haha |
| 22:25.23 | maquis | it goes to my camera, apparently |
| 22:25.25 | maquis | go figure |
| 22:25.30 | levi | I asked if you had a camera. :) |
| 22:25.47 | maquis | levi: i don't think i heard yours... i heard someone asking about a camcorder |
| 22:26.06 | maquis | thanks all :) |
| 22:26.08 | levi | maquis: You seem to have a hard time seeing my messages. :P |
| 22:26.15 | maquis | levi: sorry |
| 22:26.38 | maquis | levi: looking back, you didn't have my name at the beginning of the comment about the digital camer |
| 22:26.42 | maquis | a |
| 22:26.43 | maquis | thus, it didn't hilight |
| 22:27.15 | levi | maquis: The conversation about your camera was the only one going on, so I didn't think it was necessary. |
| 22:27.27 | levi | maquis: I guess I'll just have to prefix everything. |
| 22:27.36 | goozbach | I think it's his lung |
| 22:28.02 | maquis | levi: sorry... i guess i just missed it |
| 22:28.35 | elg | Jayce^: what kind of question is this? "Do you blink or roll your eyes?" |
| 22:28.44 | levi | Anyway, I guessed right. My cable-fu is strong! |
| 22:28.57 | maquis | levi: congrats :) you win |
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| 22:34.05 | levi | i am teh winnar! |
| 22:42.19 | elg | so why does your camera have a stereo cable? |
| 22:51.23 | tene | elg: video camera rca output with mono audio. |
| 22:51.34 | elg | she said she didn't have a camcorder |
| 22:54.07 | tene | some digital cameras can record audio |
| 23:03.09 | maquis | elg: i dunno |
| 23:14.19 | levi | elg: It probably records either short video clips with mono audio or still video with short audio clips. |
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| 23:28.13 | atoponce | anyone know how to connect to freenode using tor? |
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| 23:45.39 | elg | http://www.vestaldesign.com/blog/2005/06/diy-brick-pizza-oven.html |
| 23:45.40 | brac | [Vestal Design Blog » Blog Archive » DIY Brick Pizza Oven] |
| 23:45.47 | findlay | why do girls have to be so weird? |
| 23:47.16 | tene | because humans are weird in some ways and you care about those aspects of females? |
| 23:47.26 | beandog | http://xkcd.com/c108.html |
| 23:47.49 | tene | xkcd rocks |
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| 23:55.41 | atoponce | i've always enjoyed http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond |
| 23:57.06 | tene | ELER? |
| 23:58.01 | atoponce | everybody loves eric raymond |
