| 00:00.41 | fozzmoo | CRAP! |
| 00:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | (`mknod md4 b 9 4` is your friend, if not) |
| 00:00.49 | fozzmoo | I got it reassembled and everything... |
| 00:00.58 | fozzmoo | It started doing reconstruction and BAM! |
| 00:01.04 | fozzmoo | spinlock recursion and lockup. |
| 00:02.22 | fozzmoo | rebooting again. |
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| 00:04.00 | fozzmoo | Thanks, y'all for the help. I'm further along than before. |
| 00:04.18 | fozzmoo | ScytheBlade1: Thanks for the mknod. |
| 00:04.28 | fozzmoo | The device appears to appear (heh) when I run the assemble line. |
| 00:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | sure. |
| 00:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It took me many tries the first time I attempted software raid |
| 00:04.57 | fozzmoo | Getting back into rescue mode. |
| 00:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I got the md* device's mknod down pat as a result ;) |
| 00:07.18 | fozzmoo | Okay. Spinlocks again. |
| 00:07.53 | fozzmoo | I think I'm going to pull these SCSI drives, do a fresh install of FC5 on SATA drives, and then re-attach the SCSI controller then. This rescue mode environment isn't cutting it. |
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| 00:11.24 | mdirc | I am having isues with runing vncviewer 4 after a recent kernel upate (2.6.15-26-386) on ubuntu 6.0.6, I just get a blank grey screen when I connect using vncviewer. Any ideas? |
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| 00:20.13 | tene | perl gurus awake? |
| 00:22.19 | fozzmoo | Perl sux0rs |
| 00:22.27 | fozzmoo | heh |
| 00:22.38 | tene | perl chokes on $foo->foo.bar; |
| 00:22.39 | sjansen | Listen to fozzmoo. All the cool kids are using Python. It's the b0mb! |
| 00:22.59 | tene | Is there a way to say that without using $temp='foo.bar'; $foo->$temp; ? |
| 00:23.22 | sjansen | Probaly just a syntax ambiguity. |
| 00:23.32 | fozzmoo | You could always try {}ing things. |
| 00:23.38 | fozzmoo | ${foo->foo}.bar |
| 00:23.49 | sjansen | Shoot, fozzmoo beat me. |
| 00:26.43 | fozzmoo | mdirc: Have you connected to your server with another client to be sure your problem isn't your server? |
| 00:27.17 | jayce_home | WTF, what is fozzmoo doing on #utah again :) |
| 00:27.30 | fozzmoo | Begging for mercy. |
| 00:27.34 | mdirc | fozzmoo: I tried connecting to the server form winxp but I get the same blank screen |
| 00:27.52 | fozzmoo | Sounds like maybe your VNC server has a problem. |
| 00:28.03 | sjansen | Try wiggling the mouse. Sure it's not the screen saver? Try restarting the vnc server. |
| 00:28.09 | mdirc | fozzmoo: I also have the vino server in gnome enable would this interfere |
| 00:28.21 | sjansen | yes |
| 00:28.36 | fozzmoo | It might. |
| 00:28.48 | sjansen | If you have multiple vnc servers running, they're probably fighting over ports and stuff. |
| 00:29.04 | fozzmoo | Could get bloody. |
| 00:29.06 | fozzmoo | Or porty. |
| 00:29.28 | mdirc | sjansen: I restarted and no screen screen saver running, wiggled the mouse |
| 00:29.56 | sjansen | Do you have chicken blood to sprinkle on the server? |
| 00:30.15 | fozzmoo | If it's just a 'vncserver' session, there should be a log file you can check. |
| 00:30.41 | fozzmoo | For example, in your $HOME/.vnc directory |
| 00:31.15 | sjansen | "Primes: All prime numbers end in 1, 3, 7, and 9." <-- Not so good at math, that one. |
| 00:32.00 | fozzmoo | Who said THAT?! |
| 00:32.06 | sjansen | Oo, is is just a vncserver, or is it a vncserver running X11 in the background with a desktop or display manager started? |
| 00:33.08 | sjansen | A "just grey" screen sounds an awful lot like X is running, but nothing else is. Probably need to fix the config to start gdm or twmn and an xterm or something. |
| 00:33.20 | sjansen | fozzmoo: A Web site on how to pretend to be a geek. |
| 00:33.47 | fozzmoo | I think that Ted Stevens guy went to that site. |
| 00:33.48 | maquis | sjansen: well... aside from 2, i don't think they're necessarily wrong |
| 00:33.52 | mdirc | vnc server start gnome-session |
| 00:33.53 | maquis | and a lot of people forget about 2 |
| 00:34.08 | maquis | if they said "all numbers that end in 1,3,7 or 9 are primes" then i'd disagree |
| 00:34.22 | mdirc | gnome-session is configure to start in ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 00:34.34 | sjansen | 9's are pretty dangerous. Too often involve a multiple of 3. |
| 00:34.38 | maquis | but if you forget 2, then you could say A) a prime is not going to end in an even number, and B) a prime is not going to end in a 5) |
| 00:34.44 | sjansen | Like, oh, say, 3*3. |
| 00:34.49 | fozzmoo | "Primes end in 1, 3, 7, and 9. My staff sent me some internets and it took two days! Check out my ipod." |
| 00:34.50 | maquis | sjansen: they're not saying that all things that end in 9s are prime |
| 00:35.11 | maquis | they're saying that it's definitely not prime if it ends in something outside of that group |
| 00:35.19 | maquis | which is true, if you don't take 2 into account |
| 00:35.33 | sjansen | I'm aware. |
| 00:35.42 | fozzmoo | Yeah. sjansen is HYPERaware. |
| 00:35.49 | fozzmoo | He is everyAWARE.\ |
| 00:35.56 | fozzmoo | and I'm caffeinaware! |
| 00:36.00 | maquis | sjansen: so, their statement is only barely false, and false only in a case that the majority of people do not understand |
| 00:36.15 | sjansen | Now with 20% more frobulation! |
| 00:37.23 | sjansen | mdirc: Do you know if it's actually happening? |
| 00:37.48 | sjansen | Do a ps -ef and check to see if you've got extra copies of metacity and gnome-panel and such running. |
| 00:38.13 | mdirc | sjansen: I did not understand, what's happening? |
| 00:38.25 | sjansen | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RidingRails/~3/8646392/miguel-de-icaza-longs-for-the-rails-of-gui |
| 00:39.10 | sjansen | mdirc: You said gnome-session should be running. I'm suspecting that it isn't actually running. If gnome-session did run, it should be starting metacity and gnome-panel and a bunch of other Gnome apps. |
| 00:44.00 | mdirc | sjansen: from the logs the following "exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" was failing because the user does not have priviledges. Howerver the user does have priviledges. The user does have sudo priviledges, but if i use "sudo exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc" then I am prompted with a password. Whats the best way to allow this command to run without being prompted with a password. |
| 00:45.25 | mdirc | using sudo before the exec does start gnome (which it was not before as you speculated), and now I do see vncviewer shwoing the gnome panel.Whats the best way to allow this command to run without being prompted with a password. |
| 00:45.45 | sjansen | look at the NOPASSWD part of man sudoers |
| 00:45.48 | amcnabb | Is there a way in subversion to cancel an "svn add" before "svn commit" has happened? |
| 00:46.27 | sjansen | amcnabb: rm -Rf .svn |
| 00:46.31 | amcnabb | :) |
| 00:47.00 | amcnabb | I'd hope there's a less intrusive way. |
| 00:48.20 | sjansen | My first reaction was, "don't use svn". My second reaction was, "I bet it wouldn't be that hard to do with bzr." |
| 00:48.38 | sjansen | I think my third reaction was the closes to being helpful. |
| 00:48.53 | amcnabb | :) |
| 00:49.47 | sjansen | From what I remember of svn, no there was no way to do it. You would have to use an alternative interface instead. |
| 00:50.04 | sjansen | But at least a lot of work has gone into making the svn libs embeddable. |
| 00:50.06 | spr | amcnabb, move the file out of place, and do an 'svn --force rm file' |
| 00:50.29 | sjansen | Oh, he's just asking how to cancel and add. Silly me. |
| 00:51.02 | sjansen | I thought he was looking for a hook to enforce workflow policy. |
| 00:51.04 | amcnabb | Here we go: |
| 00:51.07 | amcnabb | svn revert -R . |
| 00:51.13 | amcnabb | That will undo all adds (and anything else) |
| 00:51.17 | amcnabb | That's better than nothing. |
| 00:53.40 | emcnabb | ~lart amcnabb |
| 00:54.24 | sjansen | amcnabb: Quit wasting everyone's time. |
| 00:54.38 | emcnabb | darn troll |
| 00:55.02 | sjansen | Well, time to eat something. |
| 00:57.04 | amcnabb | emcnabb, how's the new machine? (do you have it yet?) |
| 01:05.53 | emcnabb | not yet |
| 01:05.58 | emcnabb | maybe tomorrow |
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| 01:07.48 | maquis | emcnabb: what'd you get? |
| 01:09.59 | fozzmoo | OR what are you GOING to get? |
| 01:11.50 | fozzmoo | I guess we'll never know. :) |
| 01:23.37 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 01:30.51 | mdirc | In sudoers I am trying to allow user to execute "exec" without requiring password. The following configuration - user <tab> ALL=(exec) NOPASSWD gives me a Warning: undeclared Cmnd_Alias `NOPASSWD' referenced What ami doing wrong |
| 01:31.09 | mdirc | running ubuntu 6.0.6 |
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| 01:44.15 | hans | -lart vontrapp |
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| 01:44.48 | hans | hey look, that's fun |
| 01:47.16 | hans | what |
| 01:47.34 | hans | the themes page for gaim is a stupid sf.net bug page |
| 01:47.48 | hans | there goes any hope for browsing smilie themes |
| 01:49.15 | emcnabb | maquis: a new server to play with |
| 01:49.24 | emcnabb | 8 CPU, 8 GB RAM |
| 01:49.29 | beandog | get the trilley smileys |
| 01:50.14 | beandog | TrillyPro.tgz |
| 01:50.21 | beandog | find it yerself :) |
| 01:51.08 | hans | trilley huh? |
| 01:51.18 | hans | will they make my wife mad? |
| 01:51.22 | beandog | no |
| 01:51.28 | hans | well that's no good |
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| 02:11.46 | maquis | emcnabb: sweet |
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| 02:19.15 | levi_home | Coolest story ever: http://goodthink.com/writing/view_stories.cfm?id=11&page_id=1 |
| 02:22.54 | nick125_ | herlo: motard? |
| 02:25.14 | herlo | nick125_: yeah, I scheduled a meeting on #utos for 7-8pm MDT and thought that I was in CDT |
| 02:25.29 | herlo | I left work right before the meeting started |
| 02:26.14 | nick125_ | nice :) |
| 02:26.58 | herlo | nick125_: not really, but thanx for the smiles |
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| 02:27.24 | nick125_ | are you going to reschedule? |
| 02:31.17 | beandog | motard? |
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| 02:52.33 | graphyx | I have a foreach (@items) loop in perl |
| 02:52.47 | graphyx | how I do I print out only the part that is enclosed in 's? |
| 02:52.51 | graphyx | (') |
| 02:52.52 | graphyx | ? |
| 02:52.57 | graphyx | in each line? |
| 02:53.01 | graphyx | any takers? |
| 03:00.32 | fozzmoo | How about.... |
| 03:01.16 | fozzmoo | ($part) = $_ =~ m#'([^']+)'#; |
| 03:01.19 | amped3 | graphyx what do you mean by enclosed in 's? Were the 's escaped? Are you reading from a file? If you are you should be able to split each line on the \' and add variables based on the number of items in 's. Example ($junk, $data, $more_junk)=split(/\'/, $line) |
| 03:02.34 | graphyx | I got it. |
| 03:02.37 | graphyx | Thanks though. |
| 03:02.57 | amped3 | what did you have to do? |
| 03:03.03 | graphyx | it was if (m/blah '(.*)'blah) { print $1}; |
| 03:03.08 | graphyx | oops |
| 03:03.17 | graphyx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.20 | graphyx | forgot the last / |
| 03:03.26 | amped3 | got it |
| 03:03.37 | graphyx | I am getting better at this perl stuff. |
| 03:04.05 | amped3 | It takes time and you're never completely up on it |
| 03:08.50 | graphyx | sweet. it worked.. |
| 03:09.19 | graphyx | I just put together a perl script that takes the error from an sql injection flaw on a web site and pull out the table data one field at a time. |
| 03:09.31 | graphyx | one line at a time I should say. |
| 03:09.39 | graphyx | So I could pull out all the usernames and passwords if I wanted ot. |
| 03:09.44 | graphyx | But it doesn't do me any good. |
| 03:10.00 | graphyx | amped3: I am a penetration tester so this is legit stuff I am doing. |
| 03:10.04 | graphyx | so don't freak. |
| 03:10.52 | amped3 | I won't. who are you pen testing for? |
| 03:11.03 | graphyx | securitymetrics |
| 03:11.18 | amped3 | Here in utah? |
| 03:11.27 | graphyx | orem, UT |
| 03:11.31 | amped3 | k |
| 03:12.19 | amped3 | So how did you get into pen testing? I did it for a little while, but did not get into it much. |
| 03:13.41 | graphyx | I worked for them and they needed someone to do it. |
| 03:13.45 | graphyx | And I decided I liked it. |
| 03:13.56 | graphyx | And when I left the company they liked my work enough to have me do contract work. |
| 03:14.33 | amped3 | Cool, that seems to be how it goes. I liked it when I did it, but there wasn't enough work to keep it up. |
| 03:14.37 | graphyx | currently working on exploiting an ms sql database with a sql injection flaw. |
| 03:14.43 | graphyx | This is my side job. |
| 03:14.51 | graphyx | So its ok when there isn't a ton. |
| 03:15.33 | amped3 | Extra money always helps, especially when the work is interesting. |
| 03:16.38 | amped3 | Do you use perl other than your side job? |
| 03:35.48 | graphyx | not really. |
| 03:35.53 | graphyx | well I just hack a bit at perl |
| 03:35.59 | graphyx | I am not as good as I am if I did a lot with it. |
| 03:36.04 | graphyx | amped3: What do you do now? |
| 03:36.16 | graphyx | I just finished up that script and it will pull all un and pw out of the db. |
| 03:36.19 | graphyx | So I can include it in the test. |
| 03:36.22 | graphyx | That should impress them. |
| 03:36.26 | graphyx | the test report. |
| 03:37.05 | graphyx | Well anyways catch you online later. |
| 03:37.08 | graphyx | It's time to hit the sack. |
| 03:37.20 | amped3 | I work for a software company in their installation department. |
| 03:37.29 | graphyx | What company? |
| 03:37.48 | amped3 | spillman, how about you? |
| 03:38.11 | graphyx | if I do command > file shouldn't the file be written each time something is added to a file or does it spool until after the process is done? |
| 03:38.20 | graphyx | I currently work for Acxiom. |
| 03:38.25 | graphyx | Doing IPS/IDS stuff. |
| 03:38.34 | fozzmoo | SPILLMAN!? |
| 03:38.43 | amped3 | Yes. |
| 03:38.49 | findlay | somewhere |
| 03:38.49 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 03:38.52 | findlay | probably |
| 03:39.01 | fozzmoo | I spent some time at Spillman. |
| 03:39.03 | fozzmoo | My wife, too. |
| 03:39.13 | amped3 | what did you two do at spillman? |
| 03:39.13 | fozzmoo | But those were in days yonder. |
| 03:39.21 | amped3 | how long ago? |
| 03:39.21 | fozzmoo | My wife was a programmer for their Unix product. |
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| 03:39.28 | fozzmoo | That was... 5 years ago or so. |
| 03:39.46 | amped3 | really? I've been there six years |
| 03:39.50 | fozzmoo | I was a sales support guy part time... about 12-13 years ago. |
| 03:40.17 | fozzmoo | amped3: You might have known my wife, then. |
| 03:40.26 | amped3 | Probably, what's her name |
| 03:40.30 | fozzmoo | Christine Barton |
| 03:40.39 | fozzmoo | amped3: Did you ever know Frank Harris? |
| 03:40.41 | findlay | Mrs. Fozz? |
| 03:40.49 | fozzmoo | Is Cody Cannon still with the company? |
| 03:40.59 | fozzmoo | findlay: Yes. Mrs. Fozz |
| 03:41.08 | fozzmoo | She doesn't always answer to that. |
| 03:41.24 | amped3 | Christine sounds familiar, but I never met her. Cody is still with the company. He does development for the Customer Service division. |
| 03:41.38 | fozzmoo | amped3: Was wondering if he'd stick through the move. |
| 03:41.43 | fozzmoo | Kinda didn't expect him to. |
| 03:42.14 | amped3 | Cody almost did not stick with the move. He contemplated moving to Denver. |
| 03:42.20 | fozzmoo | My wife works for Sorenson Communications now. A couple ex-Spillman guys are doing development over there now. |
| 03:42.34 | fozzmoo | amped3: Do you know where Cody's living? |
| 03:42.41 | amped3 | graphyx: the program should write one line at a time unless it buffers itself. |
| 03:42.52 | amped3 | Cody is living in West Jordan now. |
| 03:43.13 | amped3 | Isn't Shane Roylance working there at Sorenson? |
| 03:43.31 | fozzmoo | Yeah. |
| 03:43.51 | fozzmoo | And... Stephen Saunders. |
| 03:44.05 | fozzmoo | Might be others, but those are the only ones I can remember. |
| 03:44.19 | amped3 | That's right, I think Stephen was the first to go to Sorenson when they announced the move. |
| 03:44.31 | fozzmoo | Stephen used to work at Sorenson Vision when it was in Logan. |
| 03:44.48 | amped3 | That explains it. |
| 03:45.04 | amped3 | He wasn't too happy with the decision to move. |
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| 03:46.26 | fozzmoo | amped3: Please tell Cody you chatted with me online. Have him drop me a line. |
| 03:46.30 | fozzmoo | he and I go WAY back. |
| 03:47.07 | amped3 | I will. The name is Harris right? |
| 03:47.31 | fozzmoo | Who me? |
| 03:47.48 | fozzmoo | I'm Doran Barton. |
| 03:48.01 | fozzmoo | Tell Cody you chatted with "fozzmoo" and he'll know who you're talking about. |
| 03:48.07 | amped3 | Yes, you asked about a Harris. I guess I should have caught it when you said your wife's name is Barton. |
| 03:48.11 | amped3 | I will tell him tomorrow. |
| 03:48.16 | fozzmoo | Yeah- Frank Harris. |
| 03:48.26 | fozzmoo | he might have left before you got in. |
| 03:48.43 | amped3 | He must have. |
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| 04:09.06 | mheath | Wow. 5 minutes into V for Vendetta, and I love it. |
| 04:09.10 | mheath | The poetry is blowing me away. |
| 04:09.33 | levi_home | mheath: If you're enjoying it, why are you here? |
| 04:09.45 | mheath | levi_home, because I own a laptop :) |
| 04:10.07 | levi_home | I expect you'll enjoy it more if you put your laptop away and just watch. |
| 04:10.41 | levi_home | I only use my laptop when there's a movie/TV on if it's something my wife wanted to watch that I'm not interested in. |
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| 04:38.30 | herlo | holy moly that was a lot of sushi |
| 04:44.59 | elg | ~sushi herlo |
| 04:45.00 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves herlo the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 04:46.35 | levi_home | Where'd you get sushi? |
| 04:48.40 | maquis | http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/investigator/archives/blackhat-day-1-10874 |
| 04:48.42 | brac | [BlackHat Day #1] |
| 04:58.04 | elg | cool |
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| 05:01.40 | maquis | hmmm |
| 05:01.51 | maquis | byu sent me two copies of the "graduation checklist" |
| 05:01.59 | maquis | i guess they knew that i'd probably lose one :) |
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| 05:07.48 | rsimpkins | Does Doran ever hang out in here any more? |
| 05:08.01 | maquis | fozzmoo? yeah... he was on today |
| 05:08.06 | elg | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 05:08.12 | ibot | fozzmoo <n=fozz@65.89.234.66> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1h 19m 46s ago, saying: 'he might have left before you got in.'. |
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| 06:13.45 | maquis | how would one run a .ttyrec? |
| 06:14.41 | maquis | nm |
| 06:14.51 | findlay | with a motor? |
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| 07:49.59 | Sargun | hola |
| 09:05.25 | tene | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LIthJ04sEs |
| 09:12.55 | Sargun | what is it |
| 09:13.00 | Sargun | I don't have flash working |
| 09:13.12 | tene | six japanese wrestlers attacking a house. |
| 09:13.27 | Sargun | Lol |
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| 13:03.49 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 13:04.26 | redbeard1 | ow! |
| 13:04.31 | redbeard1 | that sounds like it might hurt |
| 13:04.46 | redbeard1 | i blame society |
| 13:04.47 | goozbach | boring |
| 13:04.51 | goozbach | I blame canada |
| 13:05.05 | redbeard1 | ooh... good call. |
| 13:08.41 | redbeard1 | so what do you guys think about so-called "search engine optimization"? |
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| 13:19.27 | goozbach | spammers = 5-6 ring of dante's inferno |
| 13:19.46 | goozbach | SEOs = low 4th ring |
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| 13:22.38 | goozbach | people who talk at the theater and take sexual advantage of the naive = 6-7th ring |
| 13:25.13 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart the world |
| 13:25.34 | mheath[laptop] | Anyone know if alarm clocks with _full_ battery backup are readily available? |
| 13:26.00 | mheath[laptop] | All the alarm clocks I have just hold the time with the battery backup; things don't function unless theres full power. |
| 13:26.11 | elg | mheath[laptop]: sure, there's battery alarm clocks everywhere |
| 13:26.29 | elg | or do you mean radio alarms? |
| 13:26.51 | elg | I like the unix approach there. get a radio and an alarm clock |
| 13:27.27 | emcnabb | and then pipe them together |
| 13:27.35 | mheath[laptop] | I missed working out with my recruiter yesterday because I forgot to turn on my alarm clock. |
| 13:27.46 | mheath[laptop] | I missed working out wiht my recruiter today because fo a power outage |
| 13:28.48 | elg | $5 at walmart. analog battery powered bleeping goodness |
| 13:29.01 | elg | with a "backlight" too! |
| 13:29.31 | elg | or if bleeping doesn't arouse you, then they have the bell ones that clang on like a firehouse |
| 13:29.49 | nick125_lappy | well, theres always the option of hooking up your alarm clock to a cheap (read: inexpensive) ups |
| 13:30.08 | mheath[laptop] | ... |
| 13:30.58 | nick125_lappy | elg: well, what happens if that doesn't work? |
| 13:30.59 | elg | or you could just use ellipses |
| 13:31.26 | elg | nick125_lappy: that's when you hire Indians with tomohawks |
| 13:32.01 | nick125_lappy | I was thinking taking the bell part out, and put your head in there, so the hammer will hit you in the head a few times...if that fails, I don't know whats next.. |
| 13:33.46 | nick125_lappy | I think you could get a cheap UPS for like..$30 |
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| 13:42.59 | goozbach | or you could drink a large quanity of water just before you go to bed |
| 13:43.52 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 13:47.11 | QBFreak | hmm, irssi heard my name in here but its already scrolled out of the scrollback |
| 13:47.29 | nick125_lappy | and my scrollback isn't good..hold on |
| 13:47.43 | QBFreak | I'm guessing it was an rlart |
| 13:48.04 | nick125 | maybe |
| 13:48.12 | nick125 | my scrollback isn't long enough either |
| 13:48.46 | QBFreak | heh |
| 13:48.56 | QBFreak | I'm going to assume it wasn't important |
| 13:49.27 | nick125_lappy | me too |
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| 14:11.38 | redbeard1 | goozbach: you still around |
| 14:11.39 | redbeard1 | ? |
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| 14:27.10 | Sargun | redbeard1, I doubt it |
| 14:27.13 | emcnabb | did you guys hear what they were saying about QBFreak the other day? |
| 14:27.20 | Sargun | emcnabb, eh? |
| 14:28.02 | emcnabb | I'm just giving QBFreak a hard time: "<+QBFreak> I'm going to assume it wasn't important" |
| 14:28.49 | goozbach | redbeard1: yup |
| 14:29.47 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i think you may like my post this morning on SEO |
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| 14:33.08 | goozbach | just read it |
| 14:33.12 | goozbach | very good |
| 14:33.26 | goozbach | I need to invent a ring-o-meter |
| 14:33.35 | redbeard1 | it's not often that i post about something non-food, but that one was important |
| 14:38.59 | goozbach | I also need to finish my POTD and SOTD postings categories |
| 14:39.04 | goozbach | Punk of the Day |
| 14:39.10 | goozbach | and Stud of the Day |
| 14:39.15 | redbeard1 | heh. nice. |
| 14:39.39 | Sargun | lol |
| 14:39.56 | goozbach | what I need is a good backronym for STUD and PUNK |
| 14:40.12 | goozbach | that follows the same idea |
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| 14:54.54 | fozzmoo | rude |
| 14:55.09 | fozzmoo | Now I have a hernia |
| 14:55.39 | goozbach | ha ha |
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| 14:59.04 | goozbach | sorry dude |
| 14:59.08 | goozbach | just in jest |
| 14:59.19 | goozbach | please don't unplug my box |
| 14:59.22 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:01.59 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 15:03.41 | goozbach | ohh this week's BOFH is AWESOME! |
| 15:04.34 | mheath[laptop] | Wow, I just met a 17 year old who swears by Pascal of all things as his favorite language. |
| 15:06.08 | fozzmoo | mheath[laptop]: A time traveller, eh? |
| 15:06.23 | fozzmoo | How are things back in 1988? |
| 15:07.10 | fozzmoo | (that was me in 1988 - 17 years old, swearing by Pascal.) |
| 15:07.40 | mheath[laptop] | <mheath> Sean, why do you like Pascal over C? |
| 15:07.41 | mheath[laptop] | <Sean> I think it's just easier for me to understand |
| 15:08.13 | emcnabb | hum... 1988, that year I went on my 4th grade field trip to the St. Louis arch |
| 15:08.19 | emcnabb | fozzmoo: you're old! |
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| 15:08.33 | fozzmoo | Yeah, it's amazing I'm still tickin. |
| 15:08.42 | mheath[laptop] | emcnabb, that seems like a very boring trip for a 4th grader |
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| 15:08.53 | mheath[laptop] | "Wow...theres an arch...hmm. What do we do for the next few hours?" |
| 15:09.02 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: have you ever been there? |
| 15:09.06 | mheath[laptop] | No. |
| 15:09.06 | fozzmoo | "Let's all play marbles under the arch!" "Yeaah!!!!!" |
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| 15:09.19 | emcnabb | ok, go and then tell me how it was |
| 15:10.16 | emcnabb | it's actually very interesting (you can go up to the top, see the whole area); we did more than that too |
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| 15:17.44 | mheath[laptop] | Pascal has always struck me as like......C with a twist of Cobol. |
| 15:18.19 | mheath[laptop] | Speaking of very odd opinions |
| 15:18.44 | redbeard1 | i could never figure out C. i don't know why. pascal was easy, if limited at the time, and even perl wasn't that hard to wrap my brain around. |
| 15:19.48 | Jayce^ | mheath[laptop], in terms of social programs, FDR often is considered heavily socialist... |
| 15:20.11 | mheath[laptop] | Jayce^, yes. |
| 15:20.11 | Jayce^ | As for Pascal :) Dunno about the cobol link... I'd think more of a Basic link :) |
| 15:20.45 | fozzmoo | FDR may have employed communists in his administration. |
| 15:21.02 | fozzmoo | Dunno if he was an all-out communist, but he may certainly have been a sympathizer. |
| 15:21.34 | mheath[laptop] | .....Hi, Senator McFozzmoo. |
| 15:22.25 | mheath[laptop] | It bugged me that he would justify Hoover as being a good president |
| 15:22.42 | mheath[laptop] | my ancestors got screwed by Hoovers complete disregard for anything that was happening in the world |
| 15:22.47 | fozzmoo | Ann Coulter's book "Treason" actually talks a lot about FDR, McCarthy, and communism in the US |
| 15:23.14 | fozzmoo | She's an obnoxious, anorexic pundit, but she writes a mean book... I mean, a good book. |
| 15:26.16 | goozbach | bad people |
| 15:26.35 | goozbach | yuppers I want emcnabb on that list |
| 15:26.35 | fozzmoo | People who don't work liek they're supposed to. |
| 15:26.58 | mheath[laptop] | I'm trying to find a java programming project to work on. =\ |
| 15:27.13 | mheath[laptop] | I don't want to get involved in anything longterm, but I want something to contribute to. |
| 15:27.26 | mheath[laptop] | fozzmoo, I'm already on that list, sorry. |
| 15:28.09 | mheath[laptop] | Time to work on cleaning. |
| 15:28.38 | emcnabb | QBFreak, goozbach: as long as it's not a hit list, I'm fine |
| 15:28.42 | mheath[laptop] | Then go to the store and get a stich picker and some black thread. |
| 15:28.52 | fozzmoo | Man, there's a lot of funerals on Saturday. |
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| 15:29.33 | fozzmoo | Oh good, here's one on Friday. |
| 15:30.22 | emcnabb | I'm going to go get a glass of water |
| 15:30.50 | emcnabb | then I'm going to do the next item on my checklist |
| 15:31.08 | fozzmoo | drink it? |
| 15:31.12 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:31.17 | emcnabb | not yet |
| 15:31.19 | goozbach | pour it down his pants |
| 15:31.22 | emcnabb | I'm going to look at it |
| 15:31.28 | emcnabb | and think about drinking it |
| 15:31.34 | goozbach | then pour it down his pants |
| 15:31.35 | emcnabb | but I'm going to hold off |
| 15:31.38 | goozbach | like some hot grits |
| 15:31.44 | goozbach | thank you very much |
| 15:31.46 | emcnabb | yes, then pour it down my pants |
| 15:32.53 | fozzmoo | I want a job at Red Hat! |
| 15:33.39 | redbeard1 | fozzmoo: me too. i hear NC is a nice place to live. |
| 15:34.08 | emcnabb | I like it here so far |
| 15:34.16 | emcnabb | I'm sick today, so I'm working from home |
| 15:35.03 | emcnabb | I really like NC so far |
| 15:35.03 | fozzmoo | Saturday's the day to get buried, it seems. |
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| 15:35.29 | fozzmoo | There are a few burials on Friday... but it seems most are on Saturday. |
| 15:35.52 | fozzmoo | Probably to accomodate people from out of town and what-not. |
| 15:36.08 | fozzmoo | I'll have to just get up early and drive to a cemetery on Saturday. |
| 15:36.26 | fozzmoo | Oh, I should explain, I need some video footage. |
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| 15:36.52 | emcnabb | yeah, I was worried there for a sec |
| 15:37.01 | emcnabb | actually, I still kind of am |
| 15:37.06 | fozzmoo | I need some footage of a hole in the ground. |
| 15:37.15 | fozzmoo | So, pre-burial scenery. |
| 15:37.21 | emcnabb | gotcha |
| 15:37.27 | fozzmoo | goozbach: It's for Death Or Something Like It |
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| 15:38.03 | fozzmoo | abswa. That sounds like Stuart. |
| 15:38.35 | sjansen | Does not! |
| 15:38.50 | sjansen | (Unless you're saying something nice, in which case you don't know the half of it.) |
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| 15:41.04 | fozzmoo | What the... |
| 15:41.04 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 15:41.06 | fozzmoo | http://mytreo.net/archives/2006/08/palm-platform-in-jeopardy-palm-inc-comments-on-the-future-of-palm-os.html |
| 15:41.07 | brac | [Palm Platform in Jeopardy? Palm, Inc. Comments on the Future of Palm OS - Treo and PalmOS news] |
| 15:43.23 | fozzmoo | May be time to look for a nice Linux-powered smart-phone. |
| 15:43.33 | fozzmoo | Or check out those Motorola thingies. |
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| 15:47.51 | spr | is voice needed, or does the topic need updating/ |
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| 15:48.21 | graphyx | spr: I think the latter. |
| 15:49.13 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org |
| 15:49.26 | sjansen | ~devoice graphyx |
| 15:49.57 | spr | motion sensor targetting sprinkler: http://www.contech-inc.com/products/scarecrow/ |
| 15:51.25 | graphyx | That's really cool. |
| 15:52.02 | graphyx | I bet it would work with high school kids as well... |
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| 15:57.46 | QBFreak | emcnabb: what part of NC? |
| 15:57.54 | QBFreak | and are you enjoying this wonderful heatwave? :) |
| 15:58.07 | emcnabb | Raleigh / Holly Springs |
| 15:58.10 | emcnabb | yeah, it's bad |
| 15:58.43 | QBFreak | the company you work for isn't having their data center moved by any chance, are they? |
| 15:58.56 | emcnabb | I don't think so |
| 16:00.29 | emcnabb | fun |
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| 16:01.25 | Sargun | I want to shoot this router! |
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| 16:04.48 | macnewbold | ibot: hand Sargun a shotgun |
| 16:05.03 | Sargun | thank you |
| 16:21.09 | levi | Heh, people dissing Pascal. |
| 16:22.01 | levi | Pascal was a simplified version of Algol, which was one of those truly great languages that didn't take off. |
| 16:22.21 | fozzmoo | I got to do parallel Pascal in college. :) |
| 16:22.46 | levi | I did OO Pascal in college. ;) |
| 16:22.57 | ^Migs^ | http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9658-japan-aims-for-moon-base-by-2030-.html |
| 16:22.59 | brac | [New Scientist SPACE - Breaking News - Japan aims for Moon base by 2030] |
| 16:23.20 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, that doesn't mean a thing |
| 16:23.26 | levi | Yeah, just like we're aiming for Mars. |
| 16:23.32 | mheath[laptop] | Countries are constantly setting goals like that |
| 16:23.59 | mheath[laptop] | Heck, at last count, isn't tehre supposed to be like 10+ commercial moonbases by then? ;-P |
| 16:24.16 | ^Migs^ | I know it doesn't mean a thing. In fact, I chuckled when I read it. |
| 16:24.37 | ^Migs^ | just as long as there's a Wal-Mart on the moon by 2031. |
| 16:25.52 | fozzmoo | Makes me think of that series of IBM commercials Avery Brooks did in 2000. |
| 16:26.06 | fozzmoo | "They told me there would be flying cars! Where are the flying cars?!" |
| 16:26.13 | ^Migs^ | I wonder how much shipping from the moon to earth would cost |
| 16:26.17 | ^Migs^ | or postage, rather |
| 16:26.25 | levi | Moon to Earth would be fairly cheap. |
| 16:26.35 | levi | At least compared to the other way around. |
| 16:26.38 | ^Migs^ | compared to what? |
| 16:26.39 | fozzmoo | Might arrive crispy. |
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| 16:26.52 | fozzmoo | Shipping by potato gun. |
| 16:26.53 | mheath[laptop] | Yes, they have the space elevator, remember? ;-) |
| 16:27.11 | ^Migs^ | well, there's going to be flying cars and hoverboards by 2015, we already know that. |
| 16:27.43 | mheath[laptop] | You know, I think that eventually we will get to the point where we have a major presence in space. Space stations, and moon bases, and mars bases. Space ships. |
| 16:27.51 | ^Migs^ | eventually, sure |
| 16:27.56 | mheath[laptop] | But we have too many problems here on earth |
| 16:28.00 | mheath[laptop] | and too much bureacracy |
| 16:28.07 | findlay | you don't have to worry about all that because once I invent cold fusion all of these problems will magically become trivial because you will have all the energy you want |
| 16:28.10 | ^Migs^ | you're probably the first person to think of that, mheath[laptop] |
| 16:28.17 | mheath[laptop] | Thse problems won't be solved, even in my lifetime |
| 16:28.36 | ^Migs^ | yeah, but definitely within the next 100 years, because we have millions of years of history to learn from |
| 16:29.25 | levi | Aren't those by Kim Stanley Robinson? |
| 16:29.34 | fozzmoo | Oh yeah. Kim Stanley. |
| 16:29.38 | fozzmoo | Couldn't remember those two names. |
| 16:29.42 | fozzmoo | K.S. RObinson. |
| 16:29.52 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 16:29.54 | fozzmoo | I named one of my daughters after a character in those books. |
| 16:29.54 | levi | I've heard lots of recommendations for those. I'll have to pick them up sometime. |
| 16:30.07 | ^Migs^ | I have them in audiobook form |
| 16:30.16 | fozzmoo | That's a lot of audiobook. |
| 16:30.38 | ^Migs^ | indeed it is |
| 16:31.17 | fozzmoo | Maybe SciFi can make a cheezy miniseries of it some day. |
| 16:31.55 | fozzmoo | "We conveniently have gravity in space. How convenient." |
| 16:32.08 | levi | Funny, I can remember authors of sci fi books I haven't read, but not of random people I meet. |
| 16:32.22 | fozzmoo | levi: I can't remember either |
| 16:32.30 | fozzmoo | Just random phone numbers. |
| 16:34.02 | findlay | can you randomly remember random data read from /dev/urandom? |
| 16:34.49 | ^Migs^ | somehow I remember things I never knew in the first place |
| 16:35.11 | findlay | ^Migs^: what am I thinking? |
| 16:35.22 | fozzmoo | Oh, I know, I know! |
| 16:35.31 | fozzmoo | Nothing. |
| 16:35.34 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 16:35.39 | maquis | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060801.gttext01/BNStory/Technology/home |
| 16:35.41 | brac | [globeandmail.com : Texting helps teens' grammar] |
| 16:35.46 | maquis | fozzmoo: someone was looking for you last night |
| 16:35.51 | maquis | but i don't remember who |
| 16:35.51 | maquis | :) |
| 16:35.54 | findlay | wow |
| 16:35.57 | fozzmoo | What did they look like? |
| 16:36.12 | findlay | fozzmoo is a prescient genius |
| 16:36.26 | maquis | well... they didn't have a + sign... and they were about 7 or 8 characters long |
| 16:36.33 | fozzmoo | maquis: My nephew is dyslexic and I think that cell phone has improved his spelling and reading better than anything else. |
| 16:36.52 | maquis | fozzmoo: interesting... but his grammar? |
| 16:37.00 | fozzmoo | btw: Thanks to amcnabb and ScytheBlade1 for helping me with that RAID issue last night. I finally got it working. |
| 16:37.09 | fozzmoo | maquis: Yeeah, I'd say so. |
| 16:37.12 | findlay | fozzmoo: he looked striking like a moose |
| 16:37.14 | maquis | interesting |
| 16:37.27 | findlay | s/g/ging/g |
| 16:37.34 | fozzmoo | I think that T9 mode has been a godsend for grammar. |
| 16:37.36 | findlay | s/g/gly/g |
| 16:37.45 | maquis | he must not use the stereotypical language.. |
| 16:38.02 | fozzmoo | No longer must people abbreviate everything. |
| 16:38.51 | fozzmoo | "U want 2B my grl?" |
| 16:39.00 | findlay | a moose from norway I think |
| 16:39.24 | jsmith | fozzmoo: What was the RAID problem? |
| 16:39.42 | fozzmoo | Oh... had a box w/ 3 SCSI disks running software RAID 5. |
| 16:39.43 | tene | The drives exploded. |
| 16:39.57 | fozzmoo | I think it was a combination of things. |
| 16:40.09 | fozzmoo | One drive went bad. The partition was really really messed up. |
| 16:40.21 | eswald | maquis: Still looking for a ttyrec player? |
| 16:40.23 | fozzmoo | When I booted the box into rescue mode, the partition wasn't even in /proc/mdstat |
| 16:40.35 | tene | There were literal explosives in the drives. |
| 16:40.36 | fozzmoo | I had to solicit some help re-assembling it. |
| 16:40.37 | maquis | eswald: nah... i found ttyplay :) |
| 16:40.45 | maquis | thanks, though :) |
| 16:41.03 | fozzmoo | And then, whenever I got it reassembled in rescue mode, a CPU spinlock recursion would occur and the system would lock up. |
| 16:41.30 | fozzmoo | After this happened a few times, I pulled the drives and replaced them with SATA drives- did a fresh install of the OS (FC5) and applied updates. |
| 16:41.49 | jsmith | Ah, cool... |
| 16:41.58 | fozzmoo | Then, reattached the SCSI drives and was able to re-assemble the partition in a degraded state, fsck it, and recover the data. |
| 16:42.13 | amcnabb_ | fozzmoo, that really doesn't sound like a fun experience. |
| 16:42.24 | fozzmoo | Got home around 12:30. :) |
| 16:42.43 | fozzmoo | The client, however, is very relieved, having not been too religious about making backups. |
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| 16:43.21 | fozzmoo | tene: Good morning. |
| 16:43.24 | harleypig | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/84284.aspx |
| 16:43.31 | harleypig | The Sky Is Falling! |
| 16:44.42 | fozzmoo | alright. I need to get out of the bathtub. |
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| 16:46.02 | Sargun | ~lart fake enhance features taht are used in crappy movies |
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| 17:08.36 | levi | Hmm, interesting story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/guardianweekly/story/0,,1835656,00.html |
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| 17:12.02 | atoponce | 403 Forbidden. You don't have permission to access / on this server. Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.harleypigprogramming.com Port 80 |
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| 17:23.17 | harleypig | atoponce: yeah, I know. Thanks. |
| 17:23.23 | atoponce | :) |
| 17:23.37 | atoponce | i was just curious about your domain. |
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| 17:36.11 | [phoenyx] | http://mugglenet.com/ |
| 17:36.13 | brac | [MuggleNet.com | The ULTIMATE Harry Potter Site] |
| 17:36.18 | [phoenyx] | many questions answered |
| 17:36.44 | goozbach | so maya is named after the crazy one |
| 17:36.57 | goozbach | ohh fozz left :( |
| 17:37.10 | goozbach | perl perl perl |
| 17:37.19 | mheath[laptop] | When is the next Harry Potter book supposed to come out? |
| 17:37.28 | goozbach | I thought that those mars books were kinda sucky |
| 17:37.55 | goozbach | I mean geez 2.5 pages describing the different shades of red? |
| 17:38.12 | goozbach | that and the killing off of every cool charater |
| 17:38.28 | goozbach | I was pretty dissapointed in the finsh as well |
| 17:38.34 | goozbach | </rant> |
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| 17:38.52 | goozbach | the only reason I read the entire series, is cause I bought the entire thing. |
| 17:38.56 | goozbach | all three books |
| 17:39.08 | goozbach | and I was commited to reading is so I didn't waste that money |
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| 17:51.44 | mheath[laptop] | heh, that harry potter website has a section of "loose ends" that will likely be addressed in the next book |
| 17:51.57 | mheath[laptop] | a bunch of them completely miss the point of athe subject, though |
| 17:52.46 | mheath[laptop] | "What lies beyond the veil in the Department of Mysteries?" <-- The veil was obviously an abstraction for the concept of death. When one of the characters goes 'behind the veil' he dies. I thought that was quite well explained. |
| 17:53.26 | mheath[laptop] | I find the books interesting, and I think some speculation is good, but some people read into this stuff way too much. |
| 17:54.08 | mheath[laptop] | She's a brilliant writer and ties together a lot of subtle plot points, but I think its rediculous to expect her to have some complex meaning in every little thing. |
| 17:55.50 | [phoenyx] | I glad she made the point that Dumbledore IS DEAD |
| 17:56.26 | mheath[laptop] | I hope I can get a copy of this book. I'll likely be over in Iraq when it comes out. |
| 17:57.33 | elg_ | when does it come out? |
| 17:58.03 | mheath[laptop] | Sometime mid to late next year is the thought. No specific date yet. |
| 17:58.45 | mheath[laptop] | The brilliant 'theory' is that it would be released on 7/7/07, but the next HP movie is supposed to be released just a couple days after that...that would be difficult to publicize... |
| 17:59.13 | mheath[laptop] | Man, I wish I could find a good dry cleaner |
| 17:59.33 | mheath[laptop] | One i could leave with _specific_ instructions, and ahve them carry out. |
| 18:00.03 | mheath[laptop] | The creases on my uniform are a bit off. I wish I could tell them to adjust them.. But no, it just gets stuck on the same assembly line process as every other article of clothing, and they just follow the existing creaes. |
| 18:03.50 | findlay | what do you do when a rogue domainname gets the same IP address as your site? |
| 18:04.04 | findlay | why does DNS allow this to happen? |
| 18:04.07 | findlay | stupid DNS |
| 18:04.12 | findlay | ~lart DNS |
| 18:04.46 | elg_ | dns only mdns maps multiple names to one ip and possibly multiple ips to one name |
| 18:05.04 | elg_ | but each name (or in-addr.arpa ip) maps to only one thing (well, there's load balancing...) |
| 18:05.10 | elg_ | there's no other checks than that though |
| 18:05.25 | goozbach | findlay: hijack the site with a name vhost |
| 18:05.38 | goozbach | post goatse pitures or something like that |
| 18:05.48 | goozbach | and adsence ads |
| 18:06.00 | goozbach | that way one of two things will happen: |
| 18:06.01 | findlay | so there's nothing else I can do other than complain to their nameserver? |
| 18:06.14 | goozbach | omg theyres filth there. |
| 18:06.27 | goozbach | or omg there's FILTH there. |
| 18:06.38 | goozbach | either way you get your problem solved |
| 18:07.03 | findlay | so if they don't cooperate all I can do is become my own agent? |
| 18:10.16 | emcnabb | findlay: he's not, don't worry |
| 18:10.28 | findlay | where should I server the page from? |
| 18:12.06 | goozbach | you'll either get crazy adsense revinue |
| 18:12.16 | goozbach | or they'll contact YOU to get the page removed |
| 18:13.29 | tene | findlay: clarify "rogue domain name" and "gets"? |
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| 18:15.20 | goozbach | someone's pointing a DNS entry at HIS IP |
| 18:15.26 | findlay | tene: the foreign domain name has the same IP as this one |
| 18:15.28 | goozbach | someone not him |
| 18:15.42 | findlay | yes, yes. To goozbach do you listen |
| 18:16.15 | goozbach | findlay: there really isn't anything you can do from the DNS side |
| 18:16.24 | findlay | k |
| 18:16.34 | tene | and... how is that a problem? |
| 18:16.39 | goozbach | if they own that domain, then they can point it at whatever IP they want |
| 18:17.01 | tene | If I were to set, say, foo.bar.baz.xlsqbq.allalone.org to point to your IP, how would that change anything at all? |
| 18:17.06 | Sargun | Where can I find some good Pro-Linux propaganda? (Maybe pro-ubuntu, because thats the newbie distro of choice) |
| 18:17.16 | goozbach | that's like me saying: "my address is <insert findlay's address here>" |
| 18:17.27 | goozbach | what does it gain me? |
| 18:17.29 | goozbach | nothing |
| 18:17.35 | findlay | because in the search engine cache their DN may get a higher rating than your DN |
| 18:17.49 | goozbach | but findlay can sure enough have fun with it |
| 18:18.00 | goozbach | findlay: and you're complaining why? |
| 18:18.08 | emcnabb | findlay: do you know who is it? |
| 18:18.11 | findlay | goozbach: this is for a customer |
| 18:18.14 | emcnabb | it is |
| 18:18.17 | goozbach | just put your site on that IP |
| 18:18.24 | tene | findlay: I still don't see the problem... |
| 18:18.55 | findlay | tene: have fun explaining teh interweb to your web hosting customers |
| 18:18.58 | emcnabb | findlay: what is your IP? (so I can point a couple more at it) |
| 18:19.21 | tene | findlay: how is it affecting them? |
| 18:20.22 | findlay | tene: their bothered by some other DN pointing to their IP |
| 18:20.29 | findlay | s/their/they are |
| 18:20.45 | tene | Well, would you be bothered if I posted my mailing address as your home? |
| 18:21.12 | tene | or my company's mailing addresses as your company's? |
| 18:21.25 | emcnabb | findlay.is.a.pimpdaddy.nabbernet.net |
| 18:21.49 | tene | I don't think that's a problem with DNS exactly... |
| 18:22.04 | emcnabb | I think that should point to your home system |
| 18:22.48 | goozbach | findlay: tell them it's free advertising |
| 18:23.02 | goozbach | and that they don't have to worry about it |
| 18:23.08 | findlay | tene: I don't care |
| 18:23.24 | findlay | I just look at it as an opportunity to have some fun |
| 18:28.47 | elg | anyone know of a simple C library for reading, writing, and accessing pixels of images? |
| 18:28.51 | elg | any sort of image is fine |
| 18:29.24 | findlay | elg: what about imagemagick's C libraries? |
| 18:29.47 | findlay | they seem big on pixel access |
| 18:30.11 | elg | magickwand? they're an option |
| 18:30.36 | elg | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/magick-wand.php |
| 18:30.51 | elg | but not already installed. netpbm is installed but I don't know if it's simple enough |
| 18:32.25 | elg | magickwand is overwhelming to say the least |
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| 18:42.57 | levi | elg: I think I used libpng for a project a few years ago. |
| 18:43.13 | levi | elg: It was fairly easy to use, IIRC. |
| 18:44.02 | mheath[laptop] | Wow. The way that British people pronounce "schedule" drives me insane. |
| 18:44.19 | levi | Poor mheath[laptop], doomed to insanity. |
| 18:44.38 | mheath[laptop] | levi: have you seen "V For Vendetta" |
| 18:44.43 | levi | No. |
| 18:44.59 | levi | But I know how they pronounce "schedule". |
| 18:44.59 | mheath[laptop] | levi: I highly recommend it to you. |
| 18:45.43 | mheath[laptop] | I think you'd enjoy it. |
| 18:54.17 | findlay | where do people come up with these DN's? |
| 18:56.24 | [phoenyx] | my favorite domain name: http://www.modestapparelchristianclothinglydiaofpurpledressescustomsewing.com/ |
| 18:56.26 | brac | [Modest Apparel Christian Clothing Seamstress Sewing Custom Patterns Dresses Long Cape Maternity Wedding Attire Bridal Betrothal garments Nursing Wear Homebirth Ladies Women Homeschooling Children clothes undergarments gowns Lydia of Purple jumpers blouses] |
| 18:56.50 | findlay | flowerredesignuniquegifts.com |
| 18:57.25 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:57.35 | findlay | there's got to be something out there than DNS |
| 18:58.55 | maquis | er |
| 18:58.56 | maquis | wow... |
| 19:01.04 | findlay | so I added a NameVirtualHost on that IP for the rogue DN and all it does now is go to a spam search site |
| 19:01.11 | findlay | ): |
| 19:02.45 | findlay | http://ph.qsrch.com/dpark?s=layola.ph |
| 19:02.57 | findlay | no adsense revenue for me |
| 19:03.27 | maquis | anyone else find this slightly wrong: |
| 19:03.39 | maquis | "custom fitting from home school big full figure babe to great grandmother" |
| 19:04.08 | findlay | maquis: put the website down now and back away slowly |
| 19:04.45 | maquis | findlay: but it's funny |
| 19:05.13 | redbeard1 | it's a very christian site |
| 19:05.18 | redbeard1 | VERY much so |
| 19:05.23 | findlay | maquis: OK, but don't just let it get to you because we'd have a psycho op to deal with |
| 19:05.33 | maquis | findlay: you don't have one already? |
| 19:05.51 | maquis | i think you've got at least 2 already |
| 19:06.02 | maquis | and i think we can all agree that ibot's sanity is questionable |
| 19:06.02 | findlay | maquis: how could you forget ibot!? |
| 19:06.10 | maquis | and then there's chanserv... |
| 19:06.15 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:06.19 | maquis | it's always the quiet types that cause trouble |
| 19:06.24 | findlay | just sits there in the corner and never says anything |
| 19:06.31 | maquis | yeah |
| 19:06.33 | maquis | he scares me |
| 19:06.40 | findlay | hey, ChanServ! |
| 19:06.55 | redbeard1 | ChanServ: what's up, b? |
| 19:07.16 | redbeard1 | he's not a very talkative one, is he? |
| 19:07.22 | redbeard1 | or is ChanServ a she? |
| 19:07.25 | findlay | no |
| 19:07.31 | findlay | he's had a rough life |
| 19:07.32 | maquis | redbeard1: i'm guessing it's a he |
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| 19:08.46 | [phoenyx] | and with a name like Chan Serv, I'm guessing asian decent |
| 19:09.38 | findlay | he sits in so many channels too |
| 19:09.49 | maquis | yeah |
| 19:09.54 | maquis | he is always lurking |
| 19:10.05 | maquis | [phoenyx]: true |
| 19:10.09 | maquis | hadn't thought about that |
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| 19:12.20 | [phoenyx] | although, with the whole last name first thing, "Chan" may be his last name. Maybe a distant relative of Jackie Chan |
| 19:12.31 | findlay | if I have a reference to a perl $scalar, how can I get the value out of it? |
| 19:13.13 | findlay | it's like there's no pointer resolution operator |
| 19:13.20 | findlay | like in C |
| 19:13.20 | tene | $$scalar |
| 19:14.34 | findlay | that works |
| 19:18.07 | findlay | thanks tene |
| 19:18.43 | goozbach | $$ is cool |
| 19:18.47 | goozbach | ~$$ |
| 19:19.36 | tene | $$$$ is more cool? |
| 19:20.07 | findlay | ~$$$$$~ |
| 19:22.07 | Sargun | $$$ is the coolest |
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| 19:39.36 | Migs | wtf is this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/ |
| 19:39.38 | brac | [Star Trek XI (2008)] |
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| 19:44.07 | [phoenyx] | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060423 |
| 19:44.11 | brac | [UserFriendly Strip Comments] |
| 19:45.18 | elg | [phoenyx]: if you figure out how to get to that universe, let me know |
| 19:46.40 | elg | wow http://googleresearch.blogspot.com/2006/08/all-our-n-gram-are-belong-to-you.html |
| 19:46.42 | brac | [Official Google Research Blog: All Our N-gram are Belong to You] |
| 19:46.47 | goozbach | everyone should use SNOPES |
| 19:46.58 | goozbach | and tell at least seven people a week to use snopes |
| 19:47.15 | goozbach | lest the internet cause me to blow my own brains out all over my monitor |
| 19:50.39 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 19:50.50 | elg | what'd they pass on this time? |
| 19:50.59 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 19:51.59 | goozbach | forward this email and we'll send $reward |
| 19:52.19 | goozbach | now I have people sending me emails asking if they are correct |
| 19:52.26 | goozbach | GAA!!! |
| 19:52.35 | goozbach | I told you once, use snopes |
| 19:52.38 | elg | i wonder if the romans had scams like this |
| 19:52.42 | goozbach | I'm not a snopes frontend |
| 19:52.51 | elg | yes you are |
| 19:53.14 | goozbach | one that says, use snopes and find out yourself |
| 19:53.33 | elg | better than being a snopes hind end |
| 19:56.07 | maquis | goozbach: my dad thinks i'm a frontend to google |
| 19:56.42 | maquis | "so, how does this work?" "i don't know... check google" "go check google for me" "uh......" |
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| 19:58.02 | Migs | I hate that. People often think I'm their personal web monkey. |
| 19:58.15 | redbeard1 | heh. monkey. |
| 19:58.22 | tene | Migs: can you look something up on google for me? |
| 19:58.30 | Migs | sure, what should I look up? |
| 19:59.05 | tene | can you find a fedora core php-curl rpm for me? |
| 19:59.20 | goozbach | Migs: goatse (don't look it up really) |
| 19:59.25 | Migs | will do! |
| 19:59.36 | Migs | okay, I found it. |
| 19:59.54 | sontek | I want a personal monkey, the web is optional |
| 20:00.10 | Migs | is goatse even up still? |
| 20:00.21 | sontek | The real site isn't, Their host banned them |
| 20:00.29 | Migs | there's still copycats, though? |
| 20:00.32 | sontek | But there are enough clones of it :P |
| 20:00.43 | Migs | why didn't they just change hosts? |
| 20:04.06 | Migs | is tubgirl still up? |
| 20:04.34 | Migs | this a time when I DO need a web monkey, because I'm not checking myself |
| 20:04.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Why? |
| 20:04.58 | Migs | s/this/this is/ |
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| 20:27.24 | findlay | is there a way to pad strftime strings? |
| 20:27.30 | findlay | with spaces? |
| 20:27.44 | elg | huh? |
| 20:28.25 | findlay | strftime is a lib function to print out the time according to +FORMAT |
| 20:28.35 | findlay | and I want to pad it with spaces |
| 20:28.47 | elg | you have my permission |
| 20:29.02 | findlay | thanks |
| 20:36.24 | [phoenyx] | ugh. A co-worker printed off an entire subsection of our website (100+ pages), made some notes for correction and brought it all to me. |
| 20:36.50 | tene | ... |
| 20:36.52 | tene | why? |
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| 20:37.25 | vontrapp | um, so that thumb drive i formatted the other day... |
| 20:37.28 | harleypig | bleh |
| 20:37.45 | vontrapp | i formatted it because it wans't working |
| 20:37.49 | vontrapp | well, now it's not working again |
| 20:38.07 | [phoenyx] | email is *too* simple? |
| 20:38.17 | vontrapp | i got several of these in syslog |
| 20:38.21 | vontrapp | Buffer I/O error on device sda1, logical block 508378384 |
| 20:38.31 | vontrapp | same number each time |
| 20:38.48 | vontrapp | so i guess this stupid drive is bad? |
| 20:39.06 | tensai | can you mark that block as bad? |
| 20:39.25 | vontrapp | dunno |
| 20:39.34 | vontrapp | that'd be great if i could |
| 20:39.37 | vontrapp | save getting a new drive |
| 20:40.05 | tensai | ext2 had a badblocks program, but I suspect it's formatted as fat |
| 20:41.23 | vontrapp | si, fat |
| 20:41.41 | mheath[laptop] | vontrapp, sounds like its time to get a new drive, unfortunately. |
| 20:41.53 | vontrapp | phrrbbtbatattaatkkg |
| 20:42.03 | vontrapp | -lart mheath[laptop] |
| 20:42.12 | mheath[laptop] | aha |
| 20:42.22 | mheath[laptop] | Thats not a lart. I find that entertaining |
| 20:42.25 | mheath[laptop] | BLAH! |
| 20:42.29 | vontrapp | one block, and the whole drive is trash... |
| 20:42.33 | vontrapp | what a load of nonsense |
| 20:42.37 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart windows zip thingy |
| 20:42.39 | vontrapp | hehe, me too |
| 20:42.52 | mheath[laptop] | It keeps saying that its done extracting the files, when it did't extract 90% of them. |
| 20:42.58 | mheath[laptop] | Sigh. Winzip it is. |
| 20:44.35 | vontrapp | sucks that the bad block apparently occurs right where filesystem magic is |
| 20:44.58 | mheath[laptop] | Can anyone recommend a _really_ good tailor+dry cleaner in the Ogden area? |
| 20:45.01 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart dry cleaners |
| 20:48.49 | tensai | vontrapp: generally speaking, one bad block foretells more bad blocks to come |
| 20:49.58 | mheath[laptop] | 4 weeks from Monday, and none of you have to put up with me anymore! :P |
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| 21:01.08 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 21:01.37 | sjansen | First we were behind schedule, then we were ahead of schedule, now we're exactly on schedule.... Story of my life. |
| 21:01.45 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:04.01 | vontrapp | [phoenyx]: you are here, but not there... |
| 21:04.20 | vontrapp | [phoenyx]: i've done that dynamic controller list thing |
| 21:04.26 | vontrapp | i can look it up if you like |
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| 21:09.47 | tensai | is there ever a point to using a /31? |
| 21:10.04 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.12 | vontrapp | i've seen /32 ... |
| 21:10.13 | sjansen | netrange |
| 21:10.20 | tensai | ~wiki cidr |
| 21:11.29 | sjansen | tensai: Well... I guess it allows you to have a private network with one machine and one router. |
| 21:11.38 | vontrapp | ~wiki cidr routing |
| 21:11.47 | sjansen | Whereas /32 would leave you with just one machine and no router. |
| 21:12.01 | tensai | sjansen: but the network and broadcast addresses waste both of the addresses |
| 21:12.28 | sjansen | Ah, hmmm, well.... |
| 21:12.39 | sjansen | Awful fine weather we're having today, what? |
| 21:12.51 | sjansen | Perhaps you'd like to take a stroll with me, no? |
| 21:13.52 | tensai | I've seen /31 used in an access control list. just wondered if there's any use for it in a network as I can't think of one. |
| 21:14.30 | sjansen | tensai: Say, what do you think of that tree over there? A douglas fir, I believe. I don't believe I've ever seen a tree spanning in quite that way before. |
| 21:15.06 | sjansen | Must be the local topology. Beautiful rolling hills we've got here. |
| 21:17.41 | emcnabb | oh man, if you work an extra shift at Lisa's work (Duke hospital), they'll give you time and a half PLUS $150 gift certificate at Target |
| 21:17.47 | emcnabb | per shift |
| 21:18.06 | emcnabb | I should have been a nurse |
| 21:18.23 | sjansen | Time to tell your wife you love here, but you'd love that new patio furniture more. |
| 21:18.49 | sjansen | And the new dining set. And the living room throw rug. And a new grill. |
| 21:18.59 | Jayce^ | hey, that changing table and crib always cost money.. |
| 21:19.03 | tensai | emcnabb: you should have been a nurse |
| 21:19.10 | Jayce^ | don't forget the glider for rocking :) |
| 21:19.12 | macnewbold | I hear there's a shortage of nurses, due in part to the aging babyboomers and the growing needs in geriatrics |
| 21:19.16 | sjansen | And bike racks for the garage. And a 30" flat panel for Christmas. |
| 21:19.34 | tensai | emcnabb: if you came around offering sponge baths, I bet the lame would start walking |
| 21:19.36 | emcnabb | hum |
| 21:19.39 | emcnabb | oh yeah! |
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| 21:20.03 | emcnabb | Dear, I'm going to be a say-home dad (minus working at home) |
| 21:20.17 | emcnabb | tensai: no sponge baths from me! |
| 21:20.22 | emcnabb | well, bbl all |
| 21:21.47 | sjansen | emcnabb: Of course not, there are international treaties preventing that sort of thing. |
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| 21:42.06 | findlay | ok, so I have a box that functions as a dhcp server/nat router and a test box that dhcp's it's addr from the server but other than dhcp, no traffic whatsoever goes between the boxes |
| 21:42.25 | findlay | why does it not get traffic? |
| 21:43.10 | findlay | I can't even ping the server |
| 21:44.07 | tensai | firewall? |
| 21:44.12 | findlay | none |
| 21:44.20 | tensai | yes there is. try again. |
| 21:44.36 | tensai | I put it there while you were at lunch |
| 21:45.03 | tensai | have you tried tcpdump? do you see blinky lights on the switch? |
| 21:46.06 | jsmith | Is it a managed switch? |
| 21:46.15 | findlay | tcpdumping on the server which is being pinged by client but no packets intercepted |
| 21:46.49 | jsmith | What about your ARP tables? |
| 21:46.53 | jsmith | Got ARP? |
| 21:47.06 | findlay | they're two xen domU's |
| 21:49.06 | findlay | server arp cache has client's arp info in it |
| 21:49.36 | findlay | it takes forever for the client to get a dhcp lease |
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| 21:52.03 | findlay | nothing |
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| 22:04.35 | Jayce^ | sjansen and other 'gurus' will like this link http://seatguru.com/ |
| 22:04.36 | brac | [Welcome to SeatGuru! Your Guide to Airplane Seats and In-flight Amenities] |
| 22:09.10 | tene | who is it that was posting all that mythtv stuff on openclue? |
| 22:10.47 | goozbach | that is a good site |
| 22:11.01 | Jayce^ | tene, beandog |
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| 22:24.21 | sjansen | Jayce^: I've actually seen it. It would be a good site if Delta offered more flights. As it is, my plane is pretty much luck of the draw. |
| 22:25.00 | sjansen | Past that, the rules are pretty constant: foward aisle, on short flights the bulkhead can be nice as long as you make sure to get on early enough to get both bags in the bin. |
| 22:25.49 | sjansen | Seats in front of an emergency exit row do not recline. If you get a seat in the last emergency exit row, you'll be able to recline and you'll have more leg room. |
| 22:25.59 | jsmith | Jayce^: www.flightaware.com is fairly useful too, to know if your plane is gonna arrive late. |
| 22:26.20 | sjansen | I avoid exit row seats, however, because you're sitting right next to the engines. I hate sitting for five hours listening to the roar of a jet engine. |
| 22:26.33 | jsmith | (you can see where the plane that's gonna take you is coming from, if it left late from that leg, etc.) |
| 22:26.51 | sjansen | Oh, and the Bose noise cancelling headphones really do make flying more comfortable. Highly recommended if you flight much. |
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| 22:32.31 | goozbach | heck just get gold or platnim status and only fly first class |
| 22:32.35 | goozbach | problem solved |
| 22:32.37 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:32.50 | goozbach | that and isle seats do me a bit better |
| 22:32.52 | emcnabb | funny story: my wife just got back to work and told me what happened to the nurse manager. The manager had gone to Target to buy a bunch of $150 gift certificates for those who worked extra shifts. The only problem was she wanted $20,000 worth of them. So she went around the whole store, picking up each one, and took them up to the cashier who didn't know what to do. I guess even the store manager was flabergasted. |
| 22:33.03 | goozbach | also look at sleepingatairports.com |
| 22:33.18 | findlay | ok this is very interesting |
| 22:33.37 | emcnabb | I can just see the look on the cashier's face... |
| 22:34.06 | findlay | if I send traffic from the server to the client, then magically the internet on the starts working on the client |
| 22:36.10 | macnewbold | emcnabb: how was she planning to pay for those? Cash? check? credit? |
| 22:36.30 | mheath[laptop] | thats only 130 cards |
| 22:36.47 | mheath[laptop] | I'm betting that Target has a central authority for issuing large quantities like that |
| 22:36.58 | mheath[laptop] | Mail them to her |
| 22:37.27 | mheath[laptop] | Man, someone needs to make a movie about Roy Benavidez. That guys a real life super hero. |
| 22:38.18 | mheath[laptop] | If I can posess a tiny fraction of the courage and honor he did, I'll consider my service with the USMC to be exceptional. |
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| 22:42.41 | emcnabb | macnewbold: not sure |
| 22:43.10 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 22:43.32 | emcnabb | mheath[laptop]: the problem is this weekend is NC tax free weekend (school supplies, clothing, computers, etc) |
| 22:43.45 | emcnabb | lots of people wanted them for this weekend |
| 22:44.03 | maquis | ooh... they have a tax-free weekend? |
| 22:44.11 | macnewbold | back to school sale, baby |
| 22:44.11 | emcnabb | yeah, kind of nice |
| 22:44.15 | macnewbold | that's sweet |
| 22:44.17 | maquis | sweet |
| 22:44.18 | emcnabb | macnewbold: exactly |
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| 22:48.09 | mheath[laptop] | 37 puncture wounds to the body, and a broken jaw. guy was bleeding like mad, but he still managed to single handedly rescue a whole squad of wounded men through 6 hours of intensive combat. |
| 22:48.24 | tene | Wow. |
| 22:48.37 | tene | More or less wounded than him? |
| 22:48.50 | macnewbold | most less |
| 22:48.56 | mheath[laptop] | Some dead (he collected the dead), but I'd imagine generally less wounded than he got to. |
| 22:49.37 | mheath[laptop] | Could you imagine even MOVING with a bullet in your thigh? First thing that happened when he stepped off the helicopter is he was shot in the thigh. He kept moving, and survived 36 other wounds. |
| 22:49.59 | tene | Wow. |
| 22:50.00 | mheath[laptop] | A doctor pronounced him dead. He couldn't move, couldn't talk, so he let the doc know he was alive the only way he coud - spit in the docs face |
| 22:50.12 | goozbach | nice |
| 22:50.18 | harleypig | how'd he do that with a broken jaw? |
| 22:50.24 | tene | painfully? |
| 22:50.45 | mheath[laptop] | This is like a freakin fictional movie script, but it just amazes me that its all real |
| 22:51.04 | macnewbold | it would be rated R or worse, it's extremely graphic |
| 22:51.11 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, he just survived 6 hours with 37 puncture wounds. I don't think a little pain in the jaw is going to stop him from avoiding getting zipped up in a body bag. |
| 22:51.19 | macnewbold | mix up saving private ryan, blackhawk down, and then some |
| 22:51.24 | harleypig | uh ... you do know that the Marine Corp PR department has a tendency to ... exaggerate? |
| 22:51.27 | goozbach | tene: I imagine that a little jaw ache is the least of his worries |
| 22:51.35 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, he was army. |
| 22:51.40 | harleypig | Not to detract from what he did ... |
| 22:51.52 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, this happened in vietnam, and the guy was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. |
| 22:52.00 | mheath[laptop] | He had witnesses. |
| 22:52.04 | harleypig | otoh, adrenaline can do wonders. |
| 22:52.34 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, yeah, but it can only do so much. You have to have _BLOOD_ in you to pump the adrenaline, and thats something he was running low on very quickly =p |
| 22:52.53 | mheath[laptop] | It reminded me of that line from "V for Vendetta" |
| 22:53.18 | mheath[laptop] | "Why...don't...you....die?" "Because, behind this mask there is more than just skin and bones. There is an idea. And ideas are bulletproof." |
| 22:53.36 | harleypig | again, not to detract from the CMH, but the government needs heros. I've met 2 CMH holders ... they both said they didn't do as much as the award said they did. |
| 22:54.21 | harleypig | That's bullshit. Heros are the ones who notice something has to be done and do it. You don't fight because of your country .. |
| 22:54.25 | harleypig | or your family ... |
| 22:54.34 | harleypig | you fight for the guy humping along beside you. |
| 22:54.39 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, this guys humble, but he doesn't argue with the story I gave. He just says that he thinks that kind of service was expected. Just part of being there, being int he army. |
| 22:55.11 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: sure... that's what he says when people ask him |
| 22:55.23 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, yes! I didn't say his freakin family - he's fighting because he believes he has a reponsibility to procure a safe medivac for his fellow soldiers |
| 22:55.33 | harleypig | Yeah ... the good ones are usually like that. But I'll bet anything you care to name that it was a team effort. |
| 22:55.55 | harleypig | But you can't award the cmh to a platoon ... |
| 22:56.06 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, yes, I'm sure it was, but theres still the fact that the squad was dropping like flies and he kept going. |
| 22:56.07 | harleypig | So you pick someone and give it to them. |
| 22:56.13 | harleypig | Sorry ... I'm very cynical. |
| 22:56.27 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, two other people were given a distinguished service medal. |
| 22:56.57 | mheath[laptop] | He was awarded one too, mainly because his officers didn't think he'd live long enough for him to get a CMH if they tried to get one for him. |
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| 22:57.10 | mheath[laptop] | Wasn't until like 20 years later that he was awarded the CMH |
| 22:57.45 | mheath[laptop] | I've always wondered what would happen if a living CMH was in the military when he received the award, and continued to be in the military afterwards. |
| 22:57.48 | vontrapp | do australian addresses have / in them? |
| 22:57.52 | mheath[laptop] | I don't think thats every happened. |
| 22:58.03 | harleypig | I shouldn't be trying to detract from your enthusiasm, especially right before boot. :> |
| 22:58.06 | vontrapp | e.g. 1/1643 Botany Rd |
| 22:58.32 | mheath[laptop] | I imagine officers and superior NCOs would feeel very uncomfortable issuing commands and criticizing the actions of a medal of honor recipient. |
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| 22:59.23 | mheath[laptop] | harleypig, yes, I'm well aware that lots of USMC people are far from the stereotypical obsession and love of Corps, and commitment to the corps values. Doesn't stop me from fitting that stereotype though :) |
| 22:59.35 | mheath[laptop] | Corps' core values? Wow. |
| 23:00.22 | harleypig | :D |
| 23:00.53 | mheath[laptop] | I still admire Marines more than I admire any branch of the military. |
| 23:00.54 | harleypig | Oh, I'm still a jarhead ... I'm just cynical in how the government uses it's living weapons. |
| 23:01.19 | harleypig | well, I won't pass any pft ... but semper fi, once a marine, always a marine. |
| 23:01.35 | mheath[laptop] | We were up at NB Kitsap-Bangor in Washington....with my USNSCC youth group.... |
| 23:02.15 | mheath[laptop] | There was a LOT of navy brass there.....we routinely saw admirals while marching down the street, tons of O-4's, O-5's. O-6's.. |
| 23:02.25 | maquis | my boy can't wait to get out of the military... i can't wait for him to get out of the military... (right now, i can't wait for him to get out of this training he's at) |
| 23:02.46 | mheath[laptop] | It was rediculous saluting any of them. Their attitude was like "Oh, jeez, another oen of these kids to salute..". It was routine and mundane |
| 23:02.48 | tene | why did he go in? |
| 23:03.03 | maquis | college |
| 23:03.43 | mheath[laptop] | I saw _one_ USMC officer when we were up there. I was leaving hte mess hall, standing outside the door, and the guy comes out....I saluted him, and it seemed like I receieved the most interest and respect that I got out of any officer. |
| 23:04.06 | mheath[laptop] | The guy actually looked me in the eye, and freakin acknowledged my presence, at least, which is more than you could say about those Navy officers. |
| 23:04.15 | maquis | probably because that's what you wanted to see |
| 23:04.37 | harleypig | maquis: You have a boy in the military? |
| 23:04.48 | maquis | yeah... army reserves |
| 23:04.53 | mheath[laptop] | maquis, thats the difference between most USMC and most USA people. I notice a BIG difference just out at my recruiting office, and when I was down at MEPS. |
| 23:05.08 | maquis | we're planning on getting engaged in the next few weeks |
| 23:05.15 | mheath[laptop] | Army people are in the Army because they want a job, they want a bonus, and they want money for college. |
| 23:05.20 | harleypig | maquis: OH! I thought you meant a child. |
| 23:05.27 | maquis | harleypig: no... i'm not *that* old |
| 23:05.32 | mheath[laptop] | Marines join the Marine Corps because they want to be Marines. |
| 23:05.56 | maquis | "boy" as in "boyfriend" |
| 23:05.57 | maquis | :) |
| 23:06.16 | vontrapp | planning on getting engaged |
| 23:06.27 | mheath[laptop] | Therefore, when USA people get to trainings, they start to realize that despite the $8,000 bonus, it's _hard work_. |
| 23:06.30 | maquis | well... planning on making it official |
| 23:06.30 | vontrapp | i thought engagement _was_ the planning part, planning on getting married |
| 23:06.31 | mheath[laptop] | they get tired of it. |
| 23:06.34 | mheath[laptop] | A lot of them want out. |
| 23:06.56 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: he knew it was going to be hard work when he went in |
| 23:06.57 | levi | mheath[laptop]: Yeah, like you know what's going on in the heads of all the Army and Marine recruits. |
| 23:07.20 | maquis | but he also realized it was worth it in order to go to college |
| 23:07.28 | harleypig | levi, that's the usual way marines see it ... |
| 23:07.36 | mheath[laptop] | levi: I've talked to lots of them. I see both on an almost daily basis. |
| 23:07.46 | harleypig | rebooting for coutner strike ... have fun |
| 23:08.23 | vontrapp | FYI, anyone who wants can consider themselves invited our (mine and cassandra's) reception on Sep 8 |
| 23:08.39 | mheath[laptop] | levi: recruiters realize that too. Most of the USMC recruitment campaigns are based around the desire to be one of "the few, the proud", wheras most of the Army recruiting campaigns are built around the 'exciting' career opportunities, training, and bonuses. |
| 23:08.43 | vontrapp | s/our/for our/ |
| 23:09.28 | mheath[laptop] | levi: just watch a Marine Corps TV commercial versus an Army one. The distinction is obvious - it's not about a subtle interpretation about the psychology of Marine Corps and Army recruits. |
| 23:15.45 | levi | I'm sure these are true in general, but not in all cases. |
| 23:16.32 | tene | somehow I don't think that that's what he meant, levi. |
| 23:17.24 | levi | Anyway, I don't care that much. |
| 23:19.33 | levi | I will continue to silently laugh at mheath's Marine elitism and pride. |
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| 23:35.00 | mrpull- | anybody have a favorite distro to use as the "host" machine for vmware server? |
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| 23:39.25 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
| 23:39.41 | maquis | ~herring emcnabb |
| 23:39.44 | ibot | ACTION whacks emcnabb on the side of the head with a large red herring named alfred |
| 23:39.51 | emcnabb | ~lart maquis |
| 23:39.58 | emcnabb | sexist bot |
| 23:40.05 | tene | mrpull-: I like to run my vmware machines on a xen box |
| 23:40.20 | mrpull- | tene: whaaa? seriously? |
| 23:40.31 | tene | No, not seriously. |
| 23:40.38 | emcnabb | I still have a couple of issues with Xen (even though I use it frequently) |
| 23:40.43 | tene | I was trolling! |
| 23:40.46 | mrpull- | hehe... I've actually done the reverse (for fun) |
| 23:41.03 | mrpull- | installed xen in a vmware VM |
| 23:41.07 | mrpull- | OpenVZ as well |
| 23:41.24 | mrpull- | and I suppose linux-vserver too |
| 23:41.34 | tene | uml? |
| 23:41.35 | mrpull- | Vmware is a good package... |
| 23:41.38 | mrpull- | never UML |
| 23:41.49 | emcnabb | it can't run non-modified guest OSes, power management doesn't work, and the configuration is cryptic compared to VMware |
| 23:42.14 | emcnabb | herlo: It will, it just needs to have some issues ironed out |
| 23:42.19 | mrpull- | xen is nice, but it needs to be point and drool easy |
| 23:42.36 | herlo | mrpull-: why? then everyone could do it! |
| 23:42.58 | emcnabb | mrpull-: you want to open up our elitist club to others?!? |
| 23:43.00 | emcnabb | no way! |
| 23:43.01 | mrpull- | heheh.... because I'm in the position of managing "everybody" |
| 23:43.17 | mrpull- | I want it to be easy for them so I don't have to worry about it |
| 23:43.46 | tene | It needs to be trivially easy, just like replacing an engine in an automobile. |
| 23:43.56 | emcnabb | exactly! |
| 23:44.17 | tene | Or making a cheesecake. |
| 23:44.29 | mrpull- | the auto engine isn't an apple's to apples comparison |
| 23:44.30 | herlo | mrpull-: but then, you can't charge loads and loads of money to maintain it! |
| 23:44.38 | mrpull- | vmware _is_ easy... why cant xen be easy? |
| 23:44.45 | tene | mrpull-: no, it's OSs to Automobiles. |
| 23:45.03 | mrpull- | hehehe... oh man... ask a simple question and debate on tangents for a while |
| 23:45.08 | mrpull- | i love #utah! |
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| 23:45.26 | levi | I thought Xen was supposed to be able to run unmodified OSes once you have a cpu with virtualization support? |
| 23:45.38 | emcnabb | ~lart mrpull- |
| 23:45.45 | tene | levi: yeah |
| 23:45.46 | herlo | levi: this is true |
| 23:45.47 | emcnabb | levi: yeah, but it stinks you need the hardware |
| 23:46.09 | sjansen | Xen, in my experience, is also not fully baked yet. |
| 23:46.10 | herlo | but not the knowledge. Needs to spend time playing with it... |
| 23:46.11 | emcnabb | herlo: what do you have? |
| 23:46.31 | sjansen | He's got an obscene Duo 2 system he refuses to let me steal. |
| 23:46.34 | herlo | emcnabb: Thinkpad T60p 2623-DDU |
| 23:46.50 | herlo | sjansen: you can't even touch it if I had my way about it |
| 23:46.59 | mrpull- | sjansen: what do you recommend for virtualization then? |
| 23:47.00 | herlo | muahahahaahahaahaaaah |
| 23:47.17 | emcnabb | it has a Vanderpool (VT) enabled processor? |
| 23:47.35 | sjansen | UML is cheap and reliable if all you need is Linux. A little slow but that's being addresses. |
| 23:47.56 | sjansen | VMWare is unbeatable if you need good management tools or want to be able to use other operating systems. |
| 23:48.09 | herlo | emcnabb: very similar to this one http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?productFamilyID=720&ref=list&display=priceDetail |
| 23:48.15 | brac | [Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60 Review and Information] |
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| 23:48.32 | mrpull- | i've used vmware since it was in beta several years ago... |
| 23:48.33 | sjansen | So what do I recommend? I recommend patiently waiting until Xen is more mature. It'll kick some trash. |
| 23:48.50 | mrpull- | the new enterprise tools are amazingly cool |
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| 23:49.12 | herlo | except it has the 9 cell battery and some other extras |
| 23:49.31 | emcnabb | cool |
| 23:49.50 | sjansen | herlo's taste in laptops is very close to mine, but he doesn't fully appreciate the value of pixels |
| 23:50.39 | herlo | ~smack sjansen for such a thought |
| 23:50.41 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen for such a thought upside the head. |
| 23:50.50 | elg | i recommend you go with vmware until xen is ready |
| 23:51.03 | elg | vmware server/player is free as in beer |
| 23:51.07 | herlo | I used to have a Dell Latitude D800, I almost went HP for the 17" screen |
| 23:51.15 | herlo | 1920x1280 resolution |
| 23:51.26 | mrpull- | i'm going to vmworld in november. it should be fun. |
| 23:51.34 | herlo | but the sturdiness of the T series won out |
| 23:51.53 | elg | whoa, they have a virtual world too? |
| 23:52.27 | emcnabb | sjansen: your laptop is so big and hot you're probably sterile by now! |
| 23:52.49 | mrpull- | i doubt it will be as fun as oscon or linuxworld, but it virutalization is so hot right now |
| 23:53.25 | sjansen | herlo: you sure it was 1920x1280? 80 extra pixels I don't have? |
| 23:53.50 | emcnabb | sjansen: think about the children |
| 23:53.56 | tene | 153,600 pixels, sjansen. |
| 23:54.44 | sjansen | It's not fair. It's just not fair. |
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| 23:54.49 | elg | and weigh less than my books |
| 23:55.28 | levi | Yup, 786432 pixels works just fine for me, too. |
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| 23:56.08 | spr | I like my 2 lbs of 786432 picels |
| 23:56.14 | spr | s/picels/pixels/ |
| 23:56.16 | emcnabb | I stick with 1920000 |
| 23:57.16 | mrpull- | 2 pounds? what kinda notebook is that? |
| 23:57.30 | macnewbold | legal pad |
| 23:57.36 | macnewbold | a really thick one |
| 23:57.37 | spr | mrpull-, sharp mm20 |
| 23:57.49 | mrpull- | my phone is almost two pounds ;-) |
| 23:57.49 | emcnabb | has a transmeta processor in it |
| 23:58.20 | mrpull- | some of those little sharps are cool |
| 23:58.29 | elg | this is a troll if I've ever heard one. "Our friends at IMDB.com are reporting that Matt Damon has been cast to play a young James T. Kirk in the new Star Trek Movie directed by J.J. Abrams. Is this the end of the Star Trek series we fans know and love, or the beginning of something bigger and better for the series?" |
| 23:58.53 | sjansen | sharp and linux don't play well, uncool |
| 23:59.01 | mrpull- | star trek sucks anyway |
| 23:59.02 | spr | sjansen, they don't? |
| 23:59.20 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 23:59.38 | sjansen | that's what I've heard most of the people using them, admittedly uncommon |