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| 01:22.43 | elg | man I hate the way package maintainers like to lock down cups |
| 01:23.06 | elg | you have to be a cups expert just to unlock it enough to use it |
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| 01:56.20 | sargun | :-? |
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| 02:11.50 | mheath | Worst run I've ever done tonight, and I can't figure out why that was. |
| 02:12.09 | maquis | http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/investigator/archives/turning-wifi-thieves-worlds-upside-down-10758 |
| 02:12.10 | brac | [Turning WiFi Thieves Worlds Upside Down] |
| 02:15.32 | maquis | you could have *so* much fun with this |
| 02:16.35 | elg | argh |
| 02:17.01 | elg | so the samsung driver is great except it crashes when you try to use it remotely (some memory allocation problem) |
| 02:17.14 | elg | (the scanner, cups printing works great) |
| 02:17.40 | elg | and it doesn't scan on dapper either for some reason |
| 02:18.12 | emcnabb | hum, I'm stumped |
| 02:18.20 | elg | so I can't get scanning on the desktop box no matter what I do |
| 02:19.25 | mheath | Dapper uses some weird versions of some programs that creates incompatabilties |
| 02:19.50 | mheath | IE, when 90% of other distros release with version x.x.1 of a program, dapper will have x.x.2 |
| 02:19.58 | mheath | I encountered alot of problems like that |
| 02:22.24 | emcnabb | I want to get a list of all the groups that a user is a member of. The problem is that because of a bug in glibc (on the box I'm testing), 'id -Gn' and 'groups' do not work. I guess I can pull the info out of /etc/groups, but that may not be 100% accurate for the running shell of that user. Any ideas? |
| 02:23.20 | mheath | emcnabb, the only way you have of telling exactly what groups a running shell is part of is via glibc interfacing with the kernel. |
| 02:23.23 | amcnabb | Is your test running as the user? |
| 02:23.38 | mheath | Your choices are going to be: Pull the info from /etc/groups, or get a working glib |
| 02:23.40 | mheath | *glibc |
| 02:24.07 | emcnabb | yeah, that's what I figured, but I didn't know if there was another way around that |
| 02:24.26 | emcnabb | amcnabb: no |
| 02:25.32 | amcnabb | Could you su to them temporarily? |
| 02:25.51 | mheath | No, because SUing will pull up the info from the current groups file. |
| 02:25.52 | emcnabb | hum, probably not |
| 02:25.56 | emcnabb | this is in a shell script |
| 02:26.12 | mheath | If he's concerened abotu the descrepency between /etc/groups and a given instance, su'ing won't fix the problem. |
| 02:26.43 | amcnabb | If you could run something as them, there are plenty of things you could try. |
| 02:27.21 | emcnabb | yeah, I'll look into it a bit more |
| 02:27.24 | emcnabb | thanks guys |
| 02:27.24 | amcnabb | Otherwise, I don't have any ideas, unless you wanted to be really creative and try to dig around in kernel memory. :) |
| 02:27.32 | emcnabb | haha |
| 02:27.36 | mheath | I'm curious if your privlege system is even working correctly at all |
| 02:27.55 | emcnabb | it seems to be |
| 02:28.02 | mheath | All the program that do privelege checks are going to rely on the same glibc calls that groups and id are using |
| 02:28.17 | emcnabb | when I lot in as the user, plain old id shows the right groups |
| 02:28.24 | amcnabb | mheath, that's not true |
| 02:28.25 | emcnabb | just not 'id -Gn' |
| 02:28.34 | mheath | Obviously your kernel knows whats right |
| 02:28.42 | amcnabb | emcnabb, if you're logged in, I would test file access. |
| 02:28.45 | mheath | but I can see a lot of weird errors coming up whenever you try to do basic things |
| 02:29.07 | amcnabb | Create a bunch of files as root, chgrp them to each integer between one and 10000, and see which files are readable. |
| 02:29.38 | mheath | amcnabb, then how do you get rid of files you aren't able to access? :P |
| 02:30.04 | amcnabb | s/root/ROOT/ |
| 02:30.44 | mheath | This is rediculous. |
| 02:31.01 | mheath | A privlege check that requires creating 10,000 files (which is going to take a bit of time, even if they're empty)? |
| 02:31.09 | mheath | Just fix your glibc. |
| 02:31.24 | mheath | If you have root to run that privelege check, your in a position to just fix the problem |
| 02:31.41 | herlo | mheath: its "privilege" |
| 02:31.41 | mheath | rather than coming up with silly and comlicated roundabout ways of accomplishing the same thing |
| 02:31.50 | amcnabb | How's fixing glibc easier than an automated test? |
| 02:31.56 | amcnabb | When you're trying to test what's going on? |
| 02:32.07 | amcnabb | Creating 10,000 files is a piece of cake. |
| 02:32.08 | emcnabb | mheath: calm down |
| 02:32.14 | herlo | plus mheath: what if you want to validate using other means? |
| 02:32.48 | mheath | amcnabb, he's not trying to diagnose a problem, he's writing a script to check priveleges for a user. |
| 02:33.27 | amcnabb | emcnabb, is that true? Or are you trying to diagnose a problem? |
| 02:34.24 | emcnabb | well, the problem exists; right now I'm trying to find a work-around |
| 02:34.34 | mheath | Another problem: he said he was concerned about the distinction between the /etc/groups file and a given shells privileges, which doen't necessarily have to be the same (but usually are) |
| 02:34.53 | emcnabb | I'm just trying to get a few ideas, nothing else |
| 02:35.00 | mheath | SUing won't recognize this distinction, as when you su the new su'd shell is going to adopt the priveleges of the _current_ groups file |
| 02:35.20 | amcnabb | The only way to really know what your privileges are is to look in kernel memory, or to try using those privileges. |
| 02:35.59 | mheath | I'm going to go game. |
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| 03:14.49 | amcnabb | Ok. Here's one of the weirdest problems I've ever seen: |
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| 03:14.57 | amcnabb | http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/linux/pipemystery/ |
| 03:15.08 | amcnabb | I'd really appreciate any insights. |
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| 03:20.38 | amcnabb | Is anyone else as confused as I am? |
| 03:25.21 | amcnabb | Fixing bugs is better than creating them. |
| 03:25.24 | amcnabb | :) |
| 03:25.50 | maquis | amcnabb: just thinking i might as well review those steps :) |
| 03:27.35 | elg | anyone know why dapper doesn't mount /proc/bus/usb? |
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| 03:37.52 | elg | scratch that. |
| 03:37.58 | elg | does anyone have dapper running on a stock kernel? |
| 03:38.28 | amcnabb | I don't think my Ubuntu box is Dapper yet. |
| 03:48.37 | amcnabb | Wow. I totally want to do this: |
| 03:48.38 | amcnabb | http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html |
| 03:48.39 | brac | [Upside-Down-Ternet] |
| 03:49.05 | amcnabb | I think I like blurry net the best. |
| 03:51.21 | mheath | man, I feel so horrible and unmotivated lately =\ |
| 04:03.13 | maquis | amcnabb: yeah... that was my response when i saw it too |
| 04:26.25 | maquis | amcnabb: that's a good point byron made... |
| 04:29.09 | amcnabb | Yeah. |
| 04:29.13 | amcnabb | He's awesome. |
| 04:29.15 | maquis | yeah |
| 04:29.26 | maquis | i wish i understood it a bit better, but it's pretty interesting |
| 04:29.30 | amcnabb | Hey, they posted a link to an mp3 on my page: http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2006/06/robotic-windbag.html |
| 04:29.32 | brac | [New Scientist Technology Blog: Robotic windbag] |
| 04:30.17 | maquis | cool |
| 04:31.40 | maquis | the fact that one of them is linking to cmu's cs server, and the other is pointing to your website is kind of a giveaway for that they're testing.... :) |
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| 05:12.26 | amcnabb | Byron's smart. I just posted his explanation. |
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| 06:14.04 | levi_home | Good evening. |
| 06:22.07 | maquis | levi_home: hi |
| 06:25.44 | maquis | i'm going to bed so i can wake up at a reasonable hour tomorrow |
| 06:38.14 | levi_home | G'night. |
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| 12:21.21 | goozbach | oh boy |
| 12:36.39 | emcnabb | oh girl |
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| 14:02.34 | goozbach | oh thingy |
| 14:06.53 | goozbach | Jani leaving php? |
| 14:07.14 | goozbach | the openacs team at odds about weither or not to keep Oracle support |
| 14:07.27 | goozbach | GAA the opensource model is dying |
| 14:07.35 | atoponce | yeah. it's on slashdot |
| 14:07.47 | goozbach | I'm going back to windows |
| 14:07.52 | goozbach | it's been fun |
| 14:07.53 | atoponce | can't help but wonder if it is just an email exploit |
| 14:08.10 | atoponce | he says in the email not to respond... |
| 14:08.17 | atoponce | which seems odd |
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| 14:16.07 | goozbach | I'm taking my ball and going home |
| 14:16.10 | goozbach | wah? |
| 14:16.30 | goozbach | I wonder, does he usually sign his emails? |
| 14:18.37 | atoponce | that's what i am wondering |
| 14:18.55 | atoponce | that email is the PERFECT example of why you should |
| 14:19.48 | goozbach | yup |
| 14:19.54 | goozbach | if it IS fake |
| 14:20.29 | goozbach | when Tom Lord had his blowup on Gnu-Arch-Users it was signed |
| 14:20.50 | goozbach | which I believed without any problem |
| 14:20.58 | goozbach | of course that was a rare case |
| 14:21.04 | goozbach | (: |
| 14:21.41 | atoponce | i tell all my correspondants, if my email isn't signed, i didn't send it |
| 14:22.07 | atoponce | (and of course validates) :) |
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| 14:31.44 | elg | wow, I didn't know MS offers a limited version of VS for fre |
| 14:31.47 | elg | e |
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| 14:59.43 | jsmith | elg: Yup... of course, you can get the compiler itself for free as well... but you already knew that. |
| 15:00.23 | elg | i also just discovered code::blocks which looks promising for ide and free software addicts (now there's a contradiction in terms. ;-) |
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| 15:06.41 | jsmith | Never heard of it. |
| 15:07.20 | elg | a wx-based ide that bundles ming and also runs on linux |
| 15:07.29 | elg | and can import vs projects/workspaces |
| 15:09.24 | elg | sweet. pacman is 64% violent |
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| 15:30.29 | goozbach | ibot: zup? |
| 15:31.28 | goozbach | -zup? |
| 15:31.29 | brac | *shrug* |
| 15:31.45 | goozbach | -thwap ibot |
| 15:32.03 | goozbach | sjansen: how's Cali treating ya? |
| 15:32.35 | sjansen | Not bad. I'm actually enjoying being in California. Weird. |
| 15:33.53 | sjansen | goozbach: http://blogs.gurulabs.com/stuart/ |
| 15:33.55 | brac | [Stuart's Blog] |
| 15:34.11 | macnewbold | sjansen: what city? |
| 15:34.58 | sjansen | Sacramento |
| 15:35.01 | goozbach | I told you you'd like Sacramento |
| 15:35.07 | macnewbold | cool, I've never been there |
| 15:35.43 | goozbach | see you all monday |
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| 15:38.19 | sjansen | ~ping elg |
| 15:38.20 | ibot | pong elg |
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| 16:04.56 | elg | pong |
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| 16:07.30 | findlay | ~lart goozbach |
| 16:18.37 | elg | -lart sjansen |
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| 16:28.45 | sjansen | elg: I'm curious, can that fancy new printer of yours print on something as small as an index card? |
| 16:29.25 | sjansen | elg: BTW, your evil plan didn't work. I don't use Visene. I just cry like a little baby. |
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| 16:29.49 | elg | i ought to try, oughtn't I |
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| 16:40.05 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Your comment doesn't make sense to me. |
| 16:40.36 | tensai | maquis: pong |
| 16:41.34 | sjansen | tensai: spooooooooooooooon! |
| 16:42.07 | sjansen | tensai: spooooooooooork! |
| 16:49.34 | maquis | tensai: nm |
| 16:49.52 | tensai | maquis: I've been at scout camp all week |
| 16:49.57 | maquis | tensai: ah |
| 16:50.07 | tensai | maquis: yes, your friend is an incompetent programmer |
| 16:50.07 | maquis | well... you've got some randm stuff in /msg |
| 16:50.10 | maquis | :) |
| 16:50.34 | maquis | ~spork herlo |
| 16:50.35 | ibot | ACTION tries to stab herlo with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out herlo's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
| 16:51.05 | tensai | maquis: I just like that without a single response from me, you still sent me a page and a half of messages ;) |
| 16:51.26 | maquis | tensai: yeah... well part of it was cut and paste.. :) |
| 16:54.00 | herlo | ~spork maquis *hard* |
| 16:54.01 | ibot | ACTION tries to stab maquis *hard* with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out maquis *hard*'s eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
| 16:58.16 | elg | sjansen: manual says "postcards, 3.5x5.83in (index) cards, and other custom-size materials can be printed with this printer" |
| 16:58.37 | elg | and it does take the 3x5 index card in the input and it makes it through without jamming |
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| 16:59.01 | elg | but getting programs to print on the card is proving to be more difficult |
| 17:00.53 | herlo | elg: you could just load up windows and run word with the appropriate avery template! |
| 17:01.11 | elg | no, these are just plain 3x5 cards |
| 17:01.15 | elg | no silly perforated things |
| 17:02.07 | herlo | whether valid, needed, or not |
| 17:03.51 | \me_ | wow - trying zimbra on a windows machine with outlook you wouldn't know you weren't running off an exchange server |
| 17:04.34 | \me_ | the connector for outlook works just like you were working off exchange |
| 17:05.03 | mheath | hmmm, KFC. Why'd you have to mention KFC, herlo? |
| 17:05.13 | \me_ | stupid bittorrent lag |
| 17:05.30 | herlo | mheath |
| 17:05.46 | \me_ | mheath: ah man - why'd you have to mention herlo mentioned it? |
| 17:06.31 | herlo | \me_: does it matter who mentioned it? Now we can all go out and get some KFC! |
| 17:06.53 | \me_ | herlo: I don't think there is one up in Park City |
| 17:06.53 | mheath | especially work. I've felt really tired with work for the last few weeks. Now its starting to effect my run, too - I was about to die after a half mile last night when I usually do a 1.5 mile on my own |
| 17:07.54 | mheath | I just feel really tired, unmotivated, and uninterested lately =\ |
| 17:10.19 | mheath | KFC sounds yummy, but I worry that I'm not eating healthy enough. |
| 17:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I've had KFC "sound yummy" to me also, so I go there |
| 17:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And every time, I'm disappointed |
| 17:20.24 | nick125_lappy | me too.. |
| 17:23.12 | \me_ | anyone know someone that works at Google that can get me a Google tester account? |
| 17:38.05 | sjansen | elg: bummer |
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| 17:50.04 | elg | sjansen: I'm giving up for now, but I'm optimistic it could be made to work |
| 17:50.15 | sjansen | wimp |
| 17:50.22 | elg | it feeds an envelope/index card in the middle |
| 17:50.37 | elg | so if nothing else you can probably just say it's letter and set the margins correctly |
| 17:50.39 | sjansen | Ah, so you have to get the margins right. |
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| 17:51.06 | elg | but getting preview or openoffice to print to the right paper size and go to the right part of the page is basically fruitless |
| 17:51.32 | elg | I think it might be partially that cups isn't succeeding in telling it what paper size. doesn't help that cups' paper size selection is limited |
| 17:51.40 | elg | and you can't just do custom paper size like you can in ooo |
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| 18:04.37 | maquis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55aNY2jKBMQ&search=monkey%20death%20wish |
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| 18:06.38 | maquis | that is one lucky monkey |
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| 19:25.10 | maquis | there has got to be at least one nethack guru in this channel |
| 19:25.27 | maquis | (and by guru, i mean someone who can survive past level 10) |
| 19:25.39 | maquis | why do i die so quickly? |
| 19:25.56 | rsimpkins | sjansen: I make no sense often. |
| 19:28.00 | bonez39 | maquis, what's level 10 |
| 19:28.21 | maquis | bonez39: i don't know... i haven't made it there yet |
| 19:30.35 | bonez39 | oh, ok... |
| 19:30.47 | bonez39 | you are certainly closer to 10 than I am |
| 19:30.52 | maquis | i just keep dying really early in the game.... |
| 19:31.22 | bonez39 | but, yeah, about that idiot monkey....I'd have loved to see one of those cats catch him with a claw and jerk him out of those trees and teach him a lesson |
| 19:31.29 | bonez39 | in which game |
| 19:31.41 | maquis | bonez39: nethack |
| 19:31.53 | maquis | bonez39: yeah... i'm surprised he *didn't* get caught |
| 19:32.09 | maquis | yanking on a tiger's tail or ear is not exceptionally smart |
| 19:32.16 | bonez39 | those cats would have had him fileted in a minute or less |
| 19:32.33 | bonez39 | I about split my gut laughing as I watched that damned monkey |
| 19:32.49 | maquis | i felt kinda bad for the tigers |
| 19:33.24 | bonez39 | aren't cats supposed to climb trees though? I guess those the monkey was swinging from, were too light to hold the cat's weight |
| 19:33.56 | maquis | *shrug* |
| 19:34.51 | maquis | bonez39: fun game |
| 19:36.02 | maquis | kinda addicting |
| 19:38.57 | bonez39 | looks like the perfect game for anyone who loves the console.... |
| 19:39.15 | maquis | :) |
| 19:39.32 | bonez39 | well, I am off to my office...to make endles phone calls to inane insurance entities who are slow to pay my claims |
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| 19:52.09 | vontrapp | mmmmmm, arby's melt with 2 packets of horsey suace! |
| 19:55.16 | sjansen | elg: Sure you can, you just need to know how to edit a PPD file. ;-) |
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| 20:00.25 | sjansen | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1995495,00.asp |
| 20:00.27 | brac | [Microsoft: .Net Beat Java, Who's Next?] |
| 20:00.58 | sjansen | Am I so disconnected from reality as to have missed .Net beating Java? |
| 20:01.05 | sjansen | Or is MS being less than accurate again? |
| 20:01.18 | graphyx | you just go ahead adn take a guess at that one sjansen |
| 20:02.18 | sjansen | graphyx: If you leave it up to me, I'm going to guess that everybody is abandoning .Net _and_ Java for Ruby instead. |
| 20:03.01 | vontrapp | maybe .net is beating java in ruby converts |
| 20:03.38 | sjansen | I doubt that. I personally find .Net more enjoyable than Java, although neither is as much fun as Ruby. |
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| 21:02.21 | [phoenyx] | sjansen: does urug still exist? |
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| 21:14.39 | sjansen | [phoenyx]: Kinda. After Jamis moved, it split into two groups. |
| 21:15.08 | sjansen | utahvalley.rb seems to be at least a little active, it seems to be tightly knit with BYURUG. |
| 21:15.21 | sjansen | slc.rb doesn't seem to be as active right now. |
| 21:15.41 | sjansen | Both still share the urug mailing list. I don't think anyone is maintaining the Web site. |
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| 21:25.30 | \me | ~nickometer \me |
| 21:25.36 | \me | yes! |
| 21:25.52 | \me | from 99.99% to 0% - that's pretty good |
| 21:27.57 | Supaplex | ~nickometer åäöåä |
| 21:28.03 | \me | I would think it would at least be .01% since it starts with a \ |
| 21:30.28 | macnewbold | Happy SysAdmin Day! http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7193470719293309352 |
| 21:34.42 | findlay | ~nickometer ibot |
| 21:34.56 | findlay | oh sure. You're just saying that |
| 21:35.38 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 21:35.43 | Supaplex | bias! |
| 21:45.19 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:50.32 | findlay | what do you do when the man page and conf file don't say the same thing? |
| 21:50.48 | elg | experiment |
| 21:50.53 | elg | and shoot people |
| 21:51.20 | findlay | ~shoot ibot |
| 21:51.22 | ibot | ACTION shoots ibot in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 21:54.50 | Supaplex | nice shot |
| 22:02.49 | \me | elg: just upgraded to typo 4.0 and now when I log in to admin it redirects to admin/general/update_database and gives this error: |
| 22:02.52 | \me | NoMethodError (undefined method `collect' for nil:NilClass): app/controllers/admin/general_controller.rb:10:in `update_database' |
| 22:03.00 | elg | looks exciting |
| 22:03.04 | \me | any thoughts on what may be causing that? |
| 22:03.16 | elg | no, but you might try running rake migrate manually |
| 22:03.17 | \me | yes, I'm exstatic |
| 22:03.26 | \me | what does rake migrate do? |
| 22:03.29 | elg | you did back your db up right? |
| 22:03.31 | elg | update the db |
| 22:03.39 | \me | yeah |
| 22:03.50 | \me | I ran that earlier, still gives the error though |
| 22:04.43 | \me | is there any way to see what rake migrate is doing? |
| 22:08.48 | elg | yeah |
| 22:10.41 | \me | looks like it's failing on: |
| 22:11.08 | \me | Migrator.available_migrations[@current_version..@needed_version].collect do |mig| |
| 22:11.18 | \me | doesn't like method collect |
| 22:12.29 | \me | hmmm...there's nothing in db/migrate |
| 22:12.37 | \me | is there supposed to be anything? |
| 22:16.08 | elg | well, it seems like current version is at least as big as needed version and so there's nothing |
| 22:16.26 | elg | and nil doesn't respond to colelct, so it crashes |
| 22:16.47 | elg | how you got into that situation I don't know but it's going to take some wizardry to get out I think |
| 22:16.54 | elg | I recommend visiting #typo |
| 22:17.05 | \me | k - thx. forgot about the irc option |
| 22:17.12 | \me | even though I'm in irc |
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| 22:31.31 | atoponce | mozilla.com is down |
| 22:31.50 | atoponce | first jani leaves php, now mozilla? what is happening in the world? |
| 22:37.56 | [phoenyx] | it's up for me |
| 22:39.04 | atoponce | .com or .org? i can get .org, but not .com. keeps timing out |
| 22:39.34 | [phoenyx] | .com |
| 22:40.39 | atoponce | a hah! finally! |
| 22:47.57 | bonez41 | elg, do you have anything about spamassassin...on your web? I used your mutt stuff and it improved the appearance of my email |
| 22:48.21 | elg | no, I don't use spamassassin |
| 22:48.22 | bonez41 | elg, I haven't figured out yet how to set my SA installation up....to work effectively |
| 22:48.27 | bonez41 | oh, just curious.... |
| 22:48.38 | elg | I do well with bogofilte |
| 22:48.40 | elg | r |
| 22:51.17 | bonez41 | hmmm bogofilter...new to me....I'll read up on it |
| 22:53.46 | bonez41 | would the simple bogofilter .deb package work ok, or do I need the -dbd and -common packages too? |
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| 22:54.48 | bonez41 | ERS is pretty good source......;) |
| 22:54.57 | bonez41 | er...ESR |
| 23:00.41 | vontrapp | is there any open source business/inventory/sales software available? |
| 23:01.07 | vontrapp | not web stuff, just for i.e. a computer in a store |
| 23:01.09 | elg | vim? |
| 23:01.28 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 23:02.56 | vontrapp | vim with neato db editing |
| 23:03.27 | vontrapp | :e ticket_485760 |
| 23:04.31 | findlay | excellent |
| 23:04.32 | vontrapp | :e Ticket.find_by_name('jon') |
| 23:04.44 | levi_home | Good afternoon. |
| 23:05.03 | levi_home | Boy, this hotel wireless internet link is SLOW. |
| 23:05.11 | findlay | Good afternoon, Dr. Levi. I trust I find you in good health. |
| 23:05.24 | levi_home | Indeed. |
| 23:05.33 | levi_home | I'm hangin' in West Yellowstone. |
| 23:06.20 | findlay | can safari do tabs? |
| 23:06.29 | vontrapp | yes |
| 23:06.39 | findlay | how? |
| 23:06.41 | vontrapp | off by default :-P |
| 23:08.05 | vontrapp | you have to enable the feature somewhere in prefs |
| 23:10.12 | Tene | can anyone else resolve search.cpan.org ? |
| 23:10.38 | vontrapp | appears not |
| 23:10.57 | vontrapp | nameserver not responding |
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| 23:14.12 | vontrapp | where's a list of prototype shortcuts and what they do? ($, $$, $F, $E, etc) |
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| 23:19.46 | bonez41 | vontrapp, have you looked at sql-ledger and/or sugarcrm? |
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| 23:24.53 | elg | that's annoying. I just coded up 4 similar classes (about 100 lines) and promptly deleted my work |
| 23:25.29 | vontrapp | you deleted it because you didn't need it? or you deleted it and you need it? |
| 23:25.47 | vontrapp | ooh, Html Validator firefox plugin |
| 23:26.26 | elg | deleted it and need it |
| 23:26.38 | elg | i decided to rename it and _thought_ I had done so |
| 23:26.48 | elg | well I thought I had saved a copy with the new name |