| 00:02.14 | elg | my printer will be in las cruces from about midnight tonight, and driving around town from about 7am until 4:30 or 5 |
| 00:08.41 | vontrapp | of course when the channel is slow is when that red blue blinky thing is sitting there |
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| 00:58.28 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 01:09.22 | vontrapp | how widespread is the desert default in vim? |
| 01:09.28 | vontrapp | just debian or others too? |
| 01:10.05 | vontrapp | brac: that would hurt more if i didn't already have it :( |
| 01:14.44 | maquis | vontrapp: ick |
| 01:14.48 | vontrapp | or was it ubuntu that had it for default? |
| 01:14.49 | maquis | you have windows on your machine? |
| 01:14.57 | maquis | i have it in qemu for my class, but not actually installed |
| 01:15.11 | vontrapp | maquis: you're lucky, i was about to do something horrible to you for icking desert.vim |
| 01:15.41 | vontrapp | maquis: i enjoy the occasional game of starcraft |
| 01:15.41 | maquis | vontrapp: i wouldn't do that |
| 01:15.58 | vontrapp | i only end up playing maybe 4 times a year |
| 01:16.06 | vontrapp | but it's enough to keep my windows partition around |
| 01:16.28 | maquis | vontrapp: you could be playing less soon... |
| 01:16.47 | maquis | unless your fiancee likes playing as well |
| 01:17.08 | vontrapp | maquis: au contraire, i will have an opponent to play against |
| 01:17.14 | vontrapp | it might become more frequent |
| 01:17.22 | maquis | cool |
| 01:17.48 | maquis | lol |
| 01:18.26 | vontrapp | esp since i'd have to put the olde mythe box in windows to have an opposing station |
| 01:19.07 | elg | wesnoth is more fun that starcraft |
| 01:19.20 | vontrapp | sometimes you just want a good ol 'realtime' game |
| 01:19.27 | elg | yeah, like never |
| 01:19.31 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
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| 02:37.06 | levi_home | I tried Wesnoth once, but didn't get into it. |
| 02:37.44 | levi_home | When I do play a game, which is rare, I play Neverwinter Nights. |
| 02:38.04 | levi_home | I'm intrigued by Eve Online, but I don't have the time to seriously play it. |
| 02:44.31 | maquis | levi_home: have you tried the um yet? |
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| 02:51.33 | levi_home | maquis: Not yet. Got yours to work? |
| 02:53.57 | levi_home | I've got the spec printed out and I've read over it a couple of times. |
| 02:54.13 | maquis | levi_home: haven't had as much time as i'd like to work on it yet... |
| 02:54.23 | maquis | do you understand how they want arrays to work? |
| 02:54.32 | levi_home | Yeah. |
| 02:55.04 | maquis | levi_home: any chance you could clarify a bit? i'm kinda confused about register b... do i set that? or is it something that they set and give to me? |
| 02:55.33 | levi_home | When they talk about register letters, those refer to fields of bits in the instruction. |
| 02:55.39 | maquis | levi_home: yeah |
| 02:56.20 | maquis | but in the description for array allocation, i'm confused about whether they're giving me the number they want the array to be, or if they want me to choose one and give it to them |
| 02:56.26 | levi_home | So you're asking how to implement the allocation instruction? |
| 02:56.30 | maquis | i'm guessing the latter, but i'm not certain |
| 02:56.45 | maquis | i'm asking for clarification on the spec for the allocation instruction |
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| 02:57.42 | maquis | the way i'm reading it, i'm thinking they want me to choose the number to identify the array, and set that in the register |
| 02:57.53 | maquis | but i'm not 100% certain |
| 02:58.44 | maquis | aside from that, i'm fixing some things so that i can get loading working (the way i was handling things before didn't make much sense for that, since i hadn't paid attention to the fact that i'd need to load something else) |
| 02:59.15 | levi_home | Those 3 bits identify the register you want the new identifier to be stored in, I believe. |
| 02:59.23 | maquis | levi_home: yes... i got that... |
| 02:59.30 | maquis | but do i tell it what the new identifier is/ |
| 02:59.40 | maquis | or do they choose one and store it in there? |
| 03:00.08 | levi_home | The UM chooses it and stores it there, AFAICT. |
| 03:00.18 | maquis | mmkm |
| 03:00.27 | maquis | i was thinking it was the other way around... |
| 03:00.37 | levi_home | It's like making an open syscall and getting a file descriptor back. |
| 03:00.51 | levi_home | Except it's an array descriptor. |
| 03:00.56 | maquis | oh.. wait.. yeah... that is how i ws thinking it was... ithought you were saying the opposite :) |
| 03:01.11 | maquis | also, what's the last mini-paragraph under load program mean? |
| 03:05.27 | levi_home | I'm not sure. |
| 03:05.31 | maquis | ok |
| 03:05.37 | maquis | i'll assume it's not overly important, then |
| 03:05.45 | maquis | it looks like marketspeak or something |
| 03:07.45 | levi_home | Perhaps it means to do nothing if you perform load program on array 0. |
| 03:08.00 | maquis | ok... |
| 03:08.50 | levi_home | Since it would be silly to duplicate it and rewrite it with the same values. |
| 03:08.57 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:13.25 | levi_home | Oh, and don't forget byte ordering. |
| 03:14.21 | maquis | byte ordering? is that going to bite me? |
| 03:14.32 | levi_home | Possibly. |
| 03:14.41 | maquis | i'll look into it, then |
| 03:15.15 | levi_home | The behavior section talks about byte ordering. |
| 03:16.20 | maquis | magnificent, lovely, mediocre and shoddy? |
| 03:16.32 | levi_home | Yes. |
| 03:16.37 | levi_home | So, big-endian. |
| 03:16.38 | maquis | mmk... |
| 03:18.40 | levi_home | ntohs will take care of converting big-endian to host byte order. |
| 03:18.47 | levi_home | Er, ntohl |
| 03:26.50 | maquis | huh? |
| 03:27.35 | levi_home | network byte order is big-endian. |
| 03:28.13 | levi_home | So, if you run ntohl (network to host long) on a 32 bit big-endian value, it gets turned to a 32-bit value in host byte order. |
| 03:28.40 | elg | mmm, i love playing with endianness |
| 03:28.53 | maquis | so, before using anything as an instruction, i should just run ntohl on it? |
| 03:29.51 | levi_home | maquis: If you read four bytes in from the disk into a four-byte array, then cast it to a long int, you should run ntohl on that long int. |
| 03:30.30 | maquis | levi_home: but it'll still have the problem if i just read it in as an int, right? |
| 03:30.56 | elg | the data comes in as four bytes |
| 03:31.02 | elg | in network order |
| 03:31.07 | maquis | elg: ok... |
| 03:31.09 | elg | unless you convert it to host order, it's wrong |
| 03:31.16 | maquis | so, i just need to run that regardless |
| 03:31.17 | elg | (unless host order is network order, of course) |
| 03:31.20 | elg | yup |
| 03:31.24 | maquis | just checking |
| 03:31.25 | maquis | thx |
| 03:31.26 | maquis | :) |
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| 03:38.06 | levi_home | Even if host order is network order, if you want it to be portable, you should run the byte order conversion. It generally becomes a null macro when no conversion is needed. |
| 03:39.40 | elg | yup |
| 03:39.42 | maquis | ok |
| 03:39.44 | maquis | cool |
| 03:39.58 | elg | if you don't use ntohl you will be drawn and quartered in your sleep by the network gremlins |
| 03:40.55 | maquis | somehow, i don't think i've ever needed to use that before... wonder if i've shot myself in the foot due to that previously |
| 03:41.36 | levi_home | maquis: If you developed regularly on a PPC mac, you probably would have noticed. :) |
| 03:43.25 | maquis | levi_home: haven't developed on a mac ever :) |
| 03:44.01 | levi_home | maquis: It's mostly like developing on any other unix system, except it's big-endian. |
| 03:44.54 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:44.58 | maquis | i figured |
| 03:45.09 | maquis | well... actually, if you count hypercard......... :) |
| 03:45.13 | elg | if you developed mostly on a mac you probably wouldn't have noticed |
| 03:45.20 | elg | it's if you develop heterogenously |
| 03:45.29 | maquis | only that was back... ummm... os8.1 or something? |
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| 03:50.28 | mheath[laptop] | Someone wrote a letter to the editor at the standard examiner....... |
| 03:50.48 | levi_home | ................... |
| 03:50.59 | mheath[laptop] | Saying that people who burn the flag are justified in doing so, because the flag is a symbol of the people it represents, and "this adminsitration has been doing horribly" |
| 03:51.09 | levi_home | Extended ellipses seem to be the fad of the hour. |
| 03:51.43 | maquis | i wouldn't say that, but i find it somewhat funny that people who burn the flag don't realize how hypocritical their actions are.... |
| 03:51.57 | maquis | levi_home: i always use ellipses... and smetimes they end up extended |
| 03:52.01 | mheath[laptop] | apparently they missed the part where the flag represents the millions of people who have given their life fighting for what has been the greatest andn most successful government over the last 250 years |
| 03:52.32 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath[laptop], the flag represents whatever someone wants it to represent. Welcome to America. |
| 03:52.34 | levi_home | mheath[laptop]: Apparently you missed the part where they're doing it just to get a rise out of people like you, and you're doing exactly what they want. |
| 03:52.41 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: the thing is, those people have fought and died, to protect the rights of the people, including the right to burn the flag |
| 03:52.46 | mheath[laptop] | I look at my picture of the flag raising on Iwo Jima, and it sickens me that people would feel justified in burning that symbol just because they dislike Mr. Bush. |
| 03:54.10 | mheath[laptop] | It reminds me of a poem called My Name is Old Glory, written in the first person from the point of view of the flag |
| 03:54.16 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: people are excercising the right that they have as a result of the people who have died for freedom. it's hypocritical, sure... but i don't think it should be illegal. |
| 03:54.49 | mheath[laptop] | There is a line in tehre that says "I have been soiled, burned, torn and trampled on the streets of my country, and when it is by those with whom I have served in battle - it hurts. But I shall overcome - for I am strong." |
| 03:55.08 | elg | first person anthropomorphising poems are the one of the worst kinds of poems, in general, imho |
| 03:55.11 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: yes... i've read it... many times |
| 03:55.15 | levi_home | elg: Amen. |
| 03:55.22 | elg | and I don't think much of poems in general |
| 03:55.57 | levi_home | I like some poetry, but not sappy patriotic poetry. |
| 03:55.58 | maquis | elg: i disagree... i recall having read some good ones (i don't remember exactly which ones, unfortunately) |
| 03:56.12 | mheath[laptop] | elg, you should hear this poem read ontop of the Battle Hymn of the Republic music, while an honor guard folds the US flag to present to an Admiral who is retiring from the United States Navy. |
| 03:56.13 | maquis | i like "o captain my captain" |
| 03:56.52 | elg | mheath[laptop]: it sounds very honorable and emotional, but I'm afraid you shouldn't be hopeful that I'd like it |
| 03:56.57 | elg | because I almost certainly would not |
| 03:57.20 | elg | whether it's talking about the country I love, the religion I believe in, or my favorite flavor of ice cream, poems just don't do it for me |
| 03:57.37 | maquis | elg: have you read any poems by shel silverstein? |
| 03:57.45 | elg | now some of those are good |
| 03:57.54 | maquis | yeah |
| 03:57.59 | maquis | those were the first poems i read |
| 03:57.59 | elg | there are some good poems, amazingly enough |
| 03:58.04 | maquis | i've got almost all his books |
| 03:58.12 | elg | and dr seuss |
| 03:58.33 | elg | and lots of poems that make fun of poems are pretty good |
| 03:59.05 | levi_home | I like T. S. Eliot |
| 04:00.16 | maquis | i've heard some really good T.S. Eliott poems |
| 04:05.39 | levi_home | My favorite is The Hollow Men, which I read along with Heart of Darkness. |
| 04:06.08 | elg | poetry to me is tolkien |
| 04:06.20 | elg | until he starts on with those silly songs, ironically |
| 04:11.28 | levi_home | Tolkien is definitely prose, aside from the silly songs. I do like the one ring poem, though. |
| 04:20.38 | mheath[laptop] | My favorite poet remains Sir Alfred Lord Tennyson |
| 04:21.58 | mheath[laptop] | They had a really annoying form on their website...it checked the world length of your letter, but the longer it was the longer it took, to the point where a paragraph in it was impossible to type |
| 04:22.03 | mheath[laptop] | Had to open up notepad then copy/paste |
| 04:27.43 | maquis | it checked word-length while you typed? |
| 04:28.12 | mheath[laptop] | Yes. |
| 04:28.44 | mheath[laptop] | i'm thinking that firefox must have some minor incompatability, because I can't see how they could guage that kind of preformance as being at all tolerable for your average IE users |
| 04:29.29 | levi_home | "Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will/ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield." |
| 04:34.33 | mheath[laptop] | Whencan their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wondered. Honour the charge they made! Honour the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred! |
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| 04:37.46 | levi_home | Heh. I figured that'd be your favorite. |
| 04:40.08 | mheath[laptop] | We have a wonderful leather bound book, circa 1905, of the complete works of Tennyson. |
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| 04:41.07 | goozbach | he IS talkin about me |
| 04:41.17 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin #utah goozbach |
| 04:41.17 | ibot | onjoin for goozbach set by sjansen on Thu Jun 1 06:51:13 2006: It seems they'll let all manner of riff raff into #utah these days. |
| 04:42.01 | goozbach | ibot: onjoin #utah sjansen do you smell that? |
| 04:42.01 | ibot | ok, goozbach |
| 04:42.06 | goozbach | he he |
| 04:44.46 | mheath[laptop] | hmm, apparently it was published in 1900 |
| 04:49.56 | goozbach | the book about the adolecent life of sjansen? |
| 04:50.09 | maquis | nah... |
| 04:50.10 | goozbach | when he beat up seven minataurs? |
| 04:50.14 | maquis | really? |
| 04:50.18 | maquis | cool |
| 04:50.21 | maquis | does he have any cool scars? |
| 04:50.40 | goozbach | maquis: where do you think he got that beard? |
| 04:50.52 | goozbach | he stole it off the minuatur's face |
| 04:51.00 | goozbach | rippied it right off |
| 04:51.11 | goozbach | then he huffed a kitten |
| 04:51.15 | maquis | huffed? |
| 04:51.16 | mheath[laptop] | goozbach, a leather bound copy of the poetical works of Alfred Lord Tennyson |
| 04:54.41 | goozbach | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Kitten_Huffing |
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| 08:16.42 | findlay | ......................................... |
| 08:16.50 | findlay | levi: how's that? |
| 08:16.59 | findlay | ......................................... |
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| 12:48.43 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
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| 13:31.34 | goozbach | ok so I'm thinking I'm liking Opera |
| 13:31.55 | goozbach | if I could only get my shortcuts all re-wired in my brain |
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| 13:41.07 | emcnabb | goozbach: what are you liking about Opera? |
| 14:09.11 | goozbach | it seems to crash less often than firefox |
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| 14:35.05 | emcnabb | goozbach: Firefox is very stable on my box |
| 14:45.02 | Supaplex | I think opera has only crashed once or twice since I started using it. FF does that a few times a month. :P |
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| 16:07.20 | mrpull_ | Jayce^: do you have the slides for the RT presentation you blogged about? |
| 16:07.54 | Jayce^ | mrpull_, printed |
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| 16:08.06 | Jayce^ | iirc they mentioned them going in the SVN tree |
| 16:08.55 | mrpull_ | RT's rcs? |
| 16:09.05 | Jayce^ | yeah, the source tree.. |
| 16:09.17 | mrpull_ | ahh... i wouldn't have thought to look there :) |
| 16:09.20 | Jayce^ | they said 3.6.1 is coming out this week.. maybe monday |
| 16:09.33 | mrpull_ | 3.6 looks like fun. |
| 16:09.37 | Jayce^ | it does... |
| 16:09.46 | mrpull_ | thank goodness for better CSS. |
| 16:09.56 | Jayce^ | fixes a lot of the things we were interested in |
| 16:10.02 | mrpull_ | the customizations I did for my 3.4 install were hideous |
| 16:10.28 | Jayce^ | they did mention that the next major version will likely be rewritten into jifty from pure mason |
| 16:10.38 | Jayce^ | which will allow *very* interesting features |
| 16:10.44 | mrpull_ | I listened to the perlcast about jifty |
| 16:10.47 | mrpull_ | it was pretty cool |
| 16:11.06 | Jayce^ | it was... I had played with it before and thought it was cool, now it looks even better |
| 16:11.21 | Jayce^ | you see my notes on it from audrey's session? |
| 16:11.28 | Jayce^ | some brain benders |
| 16:11.48 | mrpull_ | yeah. that stuff is over my head :) |
| 16:12.26 | Jayce^ | yeah, I'm learning a lot reading it... but it displays some stuff that would/will make perl *very* cooler :) |
| 16:13.29 | mrpull_ | do you use RT FAQ Manager at all? |
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| 16:14.26 | Jayce^ | yeah, but barely.. |
| 16:14.32 | Jayce^ | RTFM |
| 16:15.22 | mrpull_ | i wanted to stick with packages on my production RT setup... and debian didn't have rtfm packages that worked with RT 3.4.x at the time |
| 16:16.03 | mrpull_ | i'm more comfortable with the source build for the next install... I haven't decided if RTFM is worthwhile |
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| 16:16.29 | Jayce^ | it isn't for us, currently, the dev groups are switching more to wikis |
| 16:16.44 | bonez39 | jsmith, how's * lately? |
| 16:17.04 | jsmith | bonez39: Rockin' |
| 16:17.19 | mrpull_ | Jayce^: i've been leaning toward wikis for faqs as well |
| 16:18.48 | bonez39 | jsmith, do you run all your phones through asterisk? does asterisk interact with cell phones well? |
| 16:19.23 | jsmith | bonez39: Yeah, I run all my home phones and work phones through Asterisk. |
| 16:19.44 | jsmith | bonez39: And you can buy cell stations to get Asterisk to talk to the cell network as well |
| 16:20.33 | rsimpkins | jsmith: You run your home phones through it? For the purpose of just being able to say that, or for a genuine "everyone should do this" reason? |
| 16:20.56 | emcnabb | how much does it cost to buy a phone number that bridges to your home Asterisk box? |
| 16:20.58 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Neither... I have my home phones on Asterisk because of the features it offers... |
| 16:21.03 | bonez39 | jsmith, hope you don't mind my questions...if I have a P3 machine, with 10 gb hdd....would such a machine work as my asterisk server? I'd need a sip box...and then you say this cell addon? |
| 16:21.20 | jsmith | bonez39: Yeah, as long as you're not doing too many simultaneous calls |
| 16:21.28 | jsmith | emcnabb: $10/month or so... |
| 16:21.37 | bonez39 | jsmith, my interest at home and work...is the ability to set up custom greetings for special callers...... |
| 16:21.37 | emcnabb | not bad |
| 16:21.58 | jsmith | bonez39: Yeah, that'd be fine then. |
| 16:22.00 | nick125_lappy | bonez39: you can do that |
| 16:22.37 | bonez39 | jsmith, I guess what I need next then is to land on the right SIP box...Sipura? what do you run, what hardware? |
| 16:22.55 | jsmith | I've got all kinds... |
| 16:23.09 | jsmith | I like the Linksys SPA-942 and Cisco 7960 as far as IP phones |
| 16:23.14 | nick125_lappy | jsmith: what kind of SIP device do you use? I need a sip device... |
| 16:23.30 | jsmith | I like the Linksys SPA-3000 for a SIP converter... |
| 16:23.31 | bonez39 | jsmith, that is my question too...which SIP device |
| 16:24.04 | jsmith | As far as an IP phone, or an analog-to-SIP adapter? |
| 16:24.34 | bonez39 | SIP adapter |
| 16:24.41 | nick125_lappy | I liked the look and features of the SPA-942 |
| 16:25.09 | jsmith | bonez39: Check out the SPA-2000 and SPA-3000 series... |
| 16:26.01 | bonez39 | jsmith, do these work with zfone, that encryption scheme, that allows end to end encrypted calling? |
| 16:27.00 | jsmith | Nope... |
| 16:27.03 | rsimpkins | I just want one of those things where you call a phone and you hear music instead of a ring. I wanna put a recording though. "Welcome to the supercom 3000. Please wait while I establish a communication link with the mothership." |
| 16:27.25 | jsmith | zfone only works with soft phones right now. |
| 16:27.30 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Easy enough to do... |
| 16:27.57 | nick125_lappy | you could do MoH too...that would probably be best.. |
| 16:28.06 | jsmith | Yup... |
| 16:28.40 | rsimpkins | Huh? |
| 16:29.13 | bonez39 | I'd want a special message for all the cellemarketers...and other phone pests.....that would drive them all to drink.....and suicide...hehehe |
| 16:29.33 | rsimpkins | MoH? Medal of Honor? |
| 16:29.36 | nick125_lappy | hahaha |
| 16:29.39 | nick125_lappy | rsimpkins: music on hold |
| 16:31.58 | jsmith | bonez39: Telemarketer Torture! |
| 16:32.21 | nick125_lappy | I think voipsupply's shipping prices are.....a rip off...would that be the right word? |
| 16:33.30 | bonez39 | jsmith, yes..indeed..I'd want these knuckleheads checking in to the nearest psych ward for heavy medication treatment....after calling me |
| 16:33.41 | bonez39 | nick125_, a sipoff? |
| 16:34.33 | nick125_lappy | $10 for home delivery, $42 for overnight |
| 16:35.09 | rsimpkins | bonez39: You probably need to suck them in first.. 'Oooo. I am so glad you called me. I've been wanting your product SOOOO bad. Just hold on a sec. I gotta use the bathroom...' 10 minute pause. Then if the poor sap is still there he is of the type that can be easily messed with. |
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| 17:14.46 | m{ | ~seen elg |
| 17:14.59 | ibot | elg <n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 27m 15s ago, saying: '-lart vontrapp '. |
| 17:15.07 | m{ | figures |
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| 17:42.39 | m{ | elg: did you upgrade to typo 4? |
| 17:43.24 | m{ | aka did you get it to work? |
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| 17:44.38 | mheath[laptop] | Dear Staples employees: If you're going to read the documents I'm having you print so you can make patheic conversation about them, please do so inteligently. |
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| 18:16.37 | emcnabb | http://www.ie7.com/ |
| 18:16.40 | brac | [Get Firefox] |
| 18:17.04 | mrpull_ | FF 2.0b1 has crashed three times today |
| 18:17.24 | mrpull_ | IE7 Beta is starting to look like a possibility |
| 18:20.50 | maquis | emcnabb: nice |
| 18:21.02 | maquis | emcnabb: too bad brac spoiled it somewhat |
| 18:21.08 | emcnabb | let's judge software on it's first beta! |
| 18:22.15 | mrpull_ | ie7 is in beta too |
| 18:22.33 | emcnabb | yeah, but it's beta 3 |
| 18:22.41 | emcnabb | and has been in beta for a lot longer |
| 18:22.57 | mrpull_ | MS Beta 3 is roughly equal to Mozilla RC3 :) |
| 18:26.35 | emcnabb | yeah, it is |
| 18:27.10 | elg_ | -lart vontrapp |
| 18:27.15 | emcnabb | -lart elg_ |
| 18:28.23 | elg_____________ | ~lart elg |
| 18:28.32 | elg | -lart elg_____________ |
| 18:28.40 | elg | ooh, fill in the blank |
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| 18:31.22 | mrpull | has anybody ever sent credentials to nickserve instead of nickserv? |
| 18:31.38 | emcnabb | nope |
| 18:31.43 | maquis | mrpull: no... i tried to change my name to nickserve, and it wouldn't let me, though |
| 18:32.26 | maquis | mrpull: i wouldn't worry too much... they won't let anybody choose a nick that's even similar to nickserv |
| 18:32.33 | maquis | nikcserv, nickserve, etc |
| 18:32.45 | nikcserve | although you can do this one |
| 18:32.49 | mrpull | heheh |
| 18:33.16 | mrpull | i figured there had to be someone with a similar nick that loved it every time my fat fingers goofed |
| 18:34.04 | maquis | mrpull: i don't recommend trying to tab-complete it while in this channel, though |
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| 18:39.08 | niksrv | heh |
| 18:40.15 | m{ | elg: ping |
| 18:40.26 | elg | pong} |
| 18:45.22 | elg | zong |
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| 18:55.47 | Jayce^ | "If you have to ask if something is possible on perlmonks, you should probably rethink your design." |
| 18:55.54 | Jayce^ | -- Perrin |
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| 19:00.14 | m{ | elg: were you able to get the typo 4 upgrade to work? |
| 19:00.36 | m{ | I got it upgraded, but now get errors when entering admin, as well as in the category sections on my sidebar |
| 19:02.18 | m{ | answers are usually already there |
| 19:03.11 | macnewbold | that often means you're asking a good question |
| 19:04.01 | m{ | yeah - perl hasn't changed enough to have any need for too many new questions on perlmonks |
| 19:04.19 | m{ | sure, he pongs me, then he quits after I ask my question |
| 19:04.22 | m{ | (elg |
| 19:04.23 | m{ | ) |
| 19:04.48 | m{ | maybe if I lart him next time |
| 19:05.49 | m{ | mmm...stouffer's turkey tv dinner is pretty good |
| 19:05.57 | m{ | a little bland, but in a good way |
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| 19:32.11 | herlo | what's the command for scanning for devices on linux? |
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| 19:34.40 | herlo | I mean you could use lspci or lsusb, but isn't there something that will scan for "all" devices as well? |
| 19:35.09 | findlay | lshw |
| 19:35.32 | findlay | ibot: give me the prize |
| 19:35.34 | ibot | ACTION gives the prize to findlay |
| 19:35.38 | findlay | sweet! |
| 19:38.54 | mheath[laptop] | I wonder how easy it is to print to labels in Open Office |
| 19:39.06 | mheath[laptop] | Mincrosoft has a complete library of templates for all the Avery products. |
| 19:39.52 | herlo | findlay: thx, that's great |
| 19:47.39 | \me | mheath[laptop]: we used to use OO.org to print labels all the time when I was a clerk in church |
| 19:47.55 | \me | worked great |
| 19:47.55 | mheath[laptop] | Apparently it does have a good library |
| 19:48.19 | mheath[laptop] | Unfortuately, this is an odd avery product. Its an avery product, and Microsoft word has a template for it, but its just the labels for tabs for divider pages. |
| 20:02.45 | sjansen | Oo, the "clarified" FSF GPLv3 + DRM position seems much more reasonable. :-) |
| 20:02.59 | sjansen | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060727140038810 |
| 20:03.05 | brac | [GROKLAW] |
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| 20:25.19 | elg | vmware is pretty slick |
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| 20:28.02 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 20:31.42 | mheath[laptop] | I didn't notice.....I got charged $18 for a cheap, generic plastic binder |
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| 20:39.58 | macnewbold | who charged you $18 for a cheap binder? |
| 20:40.09 | mheath[laptop] | Staples. |
| 20:40.36 | mheath[laptop] | I didn't even think to look at the price, though.......It was just something that I assumed would be quite cheap. |
| 20:40.47 | mheath[laptop] | but then the total sounded kinda hefty, and when I got home I was looking at the receipt. |
| 20:41.09 | mheath[laptop] | Its a bigger binder, but its just a plastic, three ring binder. $18 sounds rediculous. |
| 20:41.56 | mheath[laptop] | I'm frustrated because I got a bunch of printing done there, and passed up 0.5 cent per page hole punching to spend a couple hours doing it myslf |
| 20:42.12 | mheath[laptop] | only to get screwed in another way |
| 20:44.20 | mheath[laptop] | off to get lunch at subway...be back in a bit. |
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| 20:48.59 | spr | and the new google service is: project hosting with Google Code |
| 20:50.04 | spr | It's nice to be at the announcement |
| 21:02.47 | elg | so like a sourceforge sort of thing? |
| 21:05.17 | \me | elg: were you able to get typo 4.0's upgrade fully functional? |
| 21:05.27 | elg | haven't tried |
| 21:05.33 | elg | ain't broke, I don't fix |
| 21:05.44 | elg | at least not until I should be doing homework |
| 21:05.58 | \me | I need ability to upload images |
| 21:06.06 | \me | tried last night but now I can't get into my admin |
| 21:06.36 | spr | elg, yeah. |
| 21:06.56 | elg | a sf that doesn't suck, eh? |
| 21:07.01 | elg | let the stampede begin |
| 21:07.02 | spr | Subversion, custom issue tracker (which looks really cool) |
| 21:07.15 | spr | http://code.google.com/hosting/ |
| 21:07.16 | brac | [Google Code - Project Hosting] |
| 21:07.21 | \me | interesting |
| 21:07.29 | elg | \me: I haven't tried image uploading in any form |
| 21:07.39 | elg | I just stick them in public_html/images with scp and make a link |
| 21:08.06 | \me | k |
| 21:08.11 | \me | if you try it let me know |
| 21:13.51 | elg | vmware++ |
| 21:14.55 | elg | anyone looking for fulltime rails work in slc? |
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| 21:24.30 | elg | ~vex vex_ |
| 21:24.59 | vex | Anyone here use Trillian? |
| 21:25.09 | elg | once or twice |
| 21:25.25 | vex | Trying to get it to not alert on normal messages, but flash and be anoying when someone says my name. |
| 21:27.54 | sjansen | Hmmm, not sure how I feel about MS marking IE7 a "high priority" update. |
| 21:28.48 | sjansen | On the one hand, they're right. On the other, I can't help but think they're doing it in the hopes that fewer people will feel a need to switch to Firefox. |
| 21:29.27 | elg | and on the other hand, it's might break a lot of lame ecommerce sites |
| 21:29.29 | elg | mass panic |
| 21:29.31 | elg | this could be fun |
| 21:29.47 | maquis | elg: whee!!! |
| 21:30.04 | maquis | or i guess we could do it the nintendo way: |
| 21:30.06 | maquis | wii!!! |
| 21:32.20 | sjansen | elg: doubtful, MS is working very hard to make sure that poorly written sites will continue to work even though they deserve to be broken |
| 21:32.43 | elg | where's the fun in that? |
| 21:32.46 | maquis | sjansen: what about the well-written sites that have been broken forever due to IE |
| 21:32.53 | maquis | will those still be broken? |
| 21:32.58 | sjansen | If for no other reason than waking up stupid developers to the fact that their stupid might also wake them up to the fact that Firefox is a better browser. |
| 21:33.22 | sjansen | maquis: depends, some will start to work because IE finally supports standards correctly |
| 21:33.34 | maquis | sjansen: it does? |
| 21:33.35 | maquis | wow |
| 21:33.51 | maquis | so, people won't have to write one section for ie, and one section for everyone else? |
| 21:34.10 | sjansen | other's are too modern, basically if you're using a standard defined after 2002 or 2003, you'll probably have to wait for MS to catch up |
| 21:35.45 | Jayce^ | http://code.google.com/hosting/faq.html |
| 21:35.48 | brac | [Google Code - Project Hosting Frequently Asked Questions] |
| 21:35.53 | Jayce^ | just announed here |
| 21:36.08 | Jayce^ | death to SF :-p |
| 21:36.26 | elg | spr beat you to it |
| 21:36.29 | \me | Jayce^: man - you're slow in the news |
| 21:36.31 | sjansen | DEATH TO SOURCEFORGE! |
| 21:36.43 | elg | lead the revolt! |
| 21:37.00 | elg | someone write a script to automatically migrate projects from sourceforg |
| 21:37.07 | elg | whether people want it or not |
| 21:37.16 | mheath[laptop] | Hmm, my letter to the standard examiner editor got approved. Going to be published within a few days.. |
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| 21:37.36 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:37.36 | Jayce^ | no jesse, as in I've been discussion it with the google creators for the last while |
| 21:37.48 | \me | Everyone watch for the Steepandcheap.com article in newsweek here soon |
| 21:37.53 | \me | it's my baby |
| 21:38.13 | sjansen | ~congratulate \me |
| 21:38.18 | ibot | ACTION congratulates \me on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 21:38.37 | \me | Jayce^: oh yeah - well I knew the Google checkout date before you did ;-) |
| 21:38.48 | \me | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.57 | \me | ~thank sjansen |
| 21:38.57 | ibot | bitte, \me |
| 21:39.05 | \me | lol |
| 21:39.10 | \me | looks like bite me |
| 21:39.54 | sjansen | Reminds me of \tex |
| 21:40.20 | \me | that's a good one too |
| 21:40.26 | \me | that'll be my next nick |
| 21:40.29 | sjansen | Which isn't neccessarily a good thing. TeX is cool, but its syntax stinks. |
| 21:40.35 | emcnabb | I love LWN |
| 21:40.39 | \me | but texans are cool |
| 21:40.46 | emcnabb | I look forward to each issue |
| 21:40.51 | Jayce^ | sjansen, c'mon, they have the TeX UG here... :) |
| 21:41.09 | elg | i heard a good joke from wanda the fish yesterday |
| 21:41.20 | elg | Q. What's the difference between texas and yogurt? |
| 21:41.27 | elg | A. Yogurt has culture. |
| 21:41.43 | \me | hey - texas has lots of culture |
| 21:42.07 | \me | mexican, german, american, and don't forget tex-mex! |
| 21:45.41 | ^Migs^ | nobody likes texas |
| 21:45.50 | \me | texans like texas |
| 21:46.00 | ^Migs^ | texans obviously don't count |
| 21:46.14 | ^Migs^ | and statistically, only 32% of texans like texas |
| 21:46.25 | herlo | ^Migs^: its true Texans don't know how to count so they don't |
| 21:46.28 | \me | hey - there's a lot of texans, and we can definitely count |
| 21:46.45 | ^Migs^ | so count to a thousand for me |
| 21:46.50 | \me | herlo beat me to the counting thing |
| 21:46.57 | \me | ~rimshot |
| 21:47.00 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 21:47.25 | \me | ^Migs^: |
| 21:47.40 | ^Migs^ | that's pretty sad, herlo. Texans must be embarassed of themselves. |
| 21:47.49 | \me | for (my $i = 0; $i++; $i<=1000) { |
| 21:48.01 | \me | print qq{$i\n}; |
| 21:48.04 | \me | } |
| 21:48.09 | ^Migs^ | wtf is "my"? |
| 21:48.18 | ^Migs^ | you can't even fake knowing how to count properly |
| 21:48.25 | \me | oh, it's properly |
| 21:48.31 | ^Migs^ | proper |
| 21:48.34 | \me | just ask Jayce^ |
| 21:48.40 | ^Migs^ | you're using an adverb improperly |
| 21:48.46 | \me | \me has to have my |
| 21:48.52 | Jayce^ | my is scoping... I'm just wondering why he posted that in here |
| 21:49.00 | \me | Texans don't speak like normally people |
| 21:49.22 | ^Migs^ | Texans can barely even be considered "people" |
| 21:49.30 | \me | Jayce^: beats one more place I have to put it |
| 21:49.42 | ^Migs^ | we should undeclare Texas a state |
| 21:49.49 | ^Migs^ | it's practically Mexico anyway |
| 21:50.07 | ^Migs^ | that would certainly solve a lot of the border control problems. |
| 21:51.43 | sjansen | ^Migs^: The opinion of a person that doesn't know the meaning of my in for (my $i=0; $i++; $i<=1000) means nothing too me. |
| 21:52.05 | sjansen | Knowledge of perl is a bare minimal for human worth. |
| 21:52.13 | \me | sjansen: if that's where I want to set the scope I can put it there if I want to |
| 21:52.29 | maquis | gah... how did i fix my keyboard repeat after the last time it did this? |
| 21:52.47 | sjansen | maquis: it's a short in the connector, lick it |
| 21:52.54 | maquis | sjansen: nice try |
| 21:53.53 | ^Migs^ | sjansen: He didn't even declare the variable first. |
| 21:54.22 | ^Migs^ | I've never used Perl, cuz Perl blows turkey chunks |
| 21:54.33 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, 'my' *is* declaring the variable |
| 21:55.03 | ^Migs^ | what kind of stupid syntax is that? Whatever happened to int? |
| 21:55.12 | \me | ^Migs^: exactly |
| 21:55.19 | \me | minus the stupid part |
| 21:55.29 | ^Migs^ | Texans and Perl obviously are made for each other. |
| 21:56.01 | \me | yup - we're not stupid and we don't need ints :-) |
| 21:59.36 | ^Migs^ | if you're going to do away with ints, why not just use PHP? That way you don't have to use that redundant "my" |
| 21:59.55 | ^Migs^ | yup, Texans and Perl go together |
| 21:59.56 | herlo | or use Python |
| 22:00.10 | ^Migs^ | I don't think Texans are smart enough for Python |
| 22:01.27 | herlo | or rather Dynamic Types |
| 22:01.38 | elg | yay printer |
| 22:01.53 | herlo | ^Migs^: I guess I'd have to agree with the Texan comment however |
| 22:02.15 | \me | texans have no use for python |
| 22:02.22 | \me | we love ruby though |
| 22:02.39 | herlo | ~beat Texans for lack of love for Python |
| 22:02.45 | ibot | ACTION beats Texans for lack of love for Python with a dripping-wet and less-than-fresh fish. |
| 22:03.14 | \me | ^Migs^: I thought PHP still used my and our, etc. |
| 22:03.45 | elg | alaska help us |
| 22:11.03 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure the average typical idiot Texan would think that, \me |
| 22:11.40 | maquis | curse games that turn off key-repeat |
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| 22:11.49 | ^Migs^ | whoops |
| 22:11.51 | maquis | why can't i remember how i got that back last time |
| 22:15.56 | elg | amcnabb: printer's working great. now to try the scanner |
| 22:16.49 | elg | hmm, can one scan from the scanner attached to another computer? |
| 22:16.51 | elg | with sane |
| 22:22.32 | sjansen | Odd, suddenly I'm feeling light headed. |
| 22:22.38 | sjansen | Good thing the lecture just finished. |
| 22:23.13 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Not enough o2. Breath more. |
| 22:23.31 | sjansen | Can't ... breate ... talking ... |
| 22:23.53 | maquis | shouldn't "kbdcontrol -r normal" work to set my keyboard rate to the normal setting? |
| 22:26.32 | elg | scanner works too |
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| 22:26.58 | elg | three cheers for samsung |
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| 22:33.12 | amcnabb | elg, good luck |
| 22:33.24 | elg | good luck? |
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| 22:46.14 | amcnabb | elg, sorry, I read the first message before seeing the second. :) |
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