| 00:13.10 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
| 00:13.18 | elg | maquis: did you graduit? |
| 00:15.13 | sjansen | ~flunk maquis |
| 00:15.18 | ibot | ACTION shoves a dunce cap on maquis then encourages everyone to point and laugh |
| 00:21.50 | maquis | elg: not yet |
| 00:21.56 | maquis | not til august |
| 00:21.58 | elg | almost? in a couple weeks? |
| 00:21.58 | maquis | soon |
| 00:22.05 | maquis | august 18 |
| 00:22.06 | elg | what can we do to help you flunk? |
| 00:22.19 | maquis | elg: i think #utah does plenty on that goal as it is |
| 00:22.22 | graphyx | Aug 18? |
| 00:22.27 | graphyx | That's my bday. |
| 00:22.36 | maquis | graphyx: cool |
| 00:22.49 | elg | you'll leave us for #amazon when you graduit |
| 00:22.56 | elg | then we'll have to make emcnabb op |
| 00:23.10 | vontrapp | i'll be married by then |
| 00:24.13 | maquis | elg: nah... |
| 00:24.18 | maquis | i don't plan on leaving #utah |
| 00:24.23 | maquis | it's still home |
| 00:25.05 | maquis | ok... if, during an install, it's printing out that there's a read error and it's losing bytes, that means that the cd is bad, right? |
| 00:25.19 | elg | emcnabb: tough luck I guess |
| 00:25.32 | elg | or the cdrom drive is bad |
| 00:25.45 | elg | or just can't read that cd well. some combos aren't friendly with eachother |
| 00:26.03 | vontrapp | invoke spr |
| 00:26.05 | maquis | i haven't had this problem with this drive and these cds yet |
| 00:26.33 | maquis | if it happens on a new cd, i'll blame it on the drive |
| 00:29.47 | maquis | hmmm... looks like i might have an old version, too |
| 00:29.53 | maquis | this other mirror has a newer verson |
| 00:30.50 | vontrapp | self-updating cd's would be cool |
| 00:30.57 | maquis | vontrapp: lol |
| 00:38.41 | vontrapp | ~praise imms |
| 00:38.42 | ibot | All hail imms! |
| 00:58.09 | Tene | http://xkcd.com/c91.html |
| 00:58.33 | vontrapp | strange, unicode lookup for 'ellipses' returned no results |
| 01:00.17 | Tene | try 'ellipsis' |
| 01:00.28 | xbmodder_newlapp | Liga der au?ergew?hnlichen Gentlemen, Die |
| 01:01.16 | vontrapp | Tene: thanks, i did a dict lookup on ellipses first and it was in there. |
| 01:13.27 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 01:14.14 | graphyx | anyone good with the bitpack command in perl? |
| 01:26.03 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 01:26.10 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 01:26.15 | Tene | -lart brac |
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| 01:36.42 | vontrapp | does onloda="..." not work on elements other than body? |
| 01:36.50 | vontrapp | s/onloda/onload/ |
| 01:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It only works on body |
| 01:38.58 | elg | it hink it works on guns too |
| 01:40.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | Guns Guns Guns! |
| 01:41.44 | graphyx | if you get a new lap what do you do with the old one? |
| 01:41.53 | graphyx | Or is it like getting a new nose? |
| 01:41.58 | vontrapp | make a robot |
| 01:47.56 | elg | oh my |
| 01:47.56 | elg | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/25/183215&from=rss |
| 01:48.06 | graphyx | dnf release notice? |
| 01:49.06 | graphyx | TO be honest that is one of the reasons monopoly is so long. |
| 01:49.12 | graphyx | The exchange of money and such. |
| 01:49.24 | graphyx | If you could just put transfer x$ to player y. |
| 01:49.29 | graphyx | That would speed up things. |
| 01:50.31 | graphyx | as would a risk attack with 23 guys versus 45 guys. |
| 01:50.45 | graphyx | and have it print out how many are gone each round and if the attacker wants to continue, etc... |
| 01:51.56 | elg | monopoly and risk on a computer are fast enough to play leisurely, yes |
| 01:52.01 | elg | but monopoly isn't much fun |
| 01:52.04 | elg | risk, otoh, is still fun |
| 01:52.40 | graphyx | I am trying to get a game group like Lars/herlo had going back in payson here in conway. |
| 01:52.54 | graphyx | But I don't think I'll have the same success since I am not a single guy who has a house. |
| 01:53.09 | graphyx | I have to share the house wiht my roommate and she likes to have it quiet around 10P |
| 01:53.10 | graphyx | PM |
| 01:54.03 | elg | most of the fun of monopoly comes from the paper money |
| 01:54.10 | elg | holding it, throwing it, hiding it |
| 01:54.13 | elg | embezzling it |
| 01:54.31 | elg | it's amazing how effective hiding one of your 500s at the beginning of the game can be |
| 01:54.33 | graphyx | I never was much into monopoly. |
| 01:54.51 | elg | people think you're poor, and all of a sudden you aren't poor and they underestimated you and bam |
| 01:55.19 | elg | but monopoly doesn't even begin to be fun until you start making up your own rules, like loans with interest, etc. |
| 01:56.30 | elg | -lart ups for not updating tracking info |
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| 02:01.03 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 02:03.15 | Jayce^ | elg, we're all here fro the keynote night at oscon :) |
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| 02:19.51 | Jayce^ | and here comes larry :) |
| 02:23.47 | maquis | trying to get a good apt-repository for knoppmyth |
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| 02:49.33 | mheath_ | ~lart Windows networking |
| 02:49.53 | mheath_ | in Linux, I could seamlessly switch from a wired connection to wireless, without losing my IRC connection |
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| 03:40.46 | findlay | ~convert 1 weber to maxwells |
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| 03:42.01 | findlay | I'm sure in real life they weren't that disparate |
| 03:42.26 | mheath[laptop] | woah. I'm done, beat. |
| 03:42.41 | mheath[laptop] | thats what I get for doing almost no workout for a week and a half |
| 03:43.07 | mheath[laptop] | I feel like this is my first day PTing with my recruiter again. |
| 03:48.30 | mheath[laptop] | Goodnight. So long, and thanks for all the fish. |
| 03:48.38 | mheath[laptop] | good night, and good luck :) |
| 04:48.11 | maquis | has anyone here used the radio tuner on the hauppauge wintv pvr-150? |
| 04:51.20 | findlay | my head swims better than I do I'm afraid |
| 04:51.36 | findlay | I never really learned how to swim |
| 04:51.42 | findlay | in water that is |
| 04:52.08 | findlay | perhaps I could in a more agreeable fluid like chocolate or jello |
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| 05:19.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~weber |
| 05:19.16 | ibot | WebER is a simple Java Web Server that implements HTTP/1.0.. URL: http://roncarolo.eu.org/weber/ |
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| 05:36.48 | findlay | ~convert 1 carat to karats |
| 05:36.59 | findlay | ~convert 1 carat to karets |
| 05:37.16 | findlay | how bout ibot is an incompetent bot? |
| 05:37.29 | nick125_lappy | maybe thats what the i stands for.. |
| 05:38.02 | findlay | ~convert nick125_lappy to carrots |
| 05:38.18 | nick125_lappy | mm carrots |
| 05:39.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 05:39.55 | nick125_lappy | I like glazed carrots |
| 05:40.14 | findlay | someday I'll teach ibot about all the obscure units of measure from across history |
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| 06:08.46 | findlay | Jayce^: your operator table is pretty sweet |
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| 07:56.58 | nick125_lappy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtT64mzmD4M < haha |
| 08:08.12 | maquis | how does someone get to their senior year of college, in the cs program, and have *no* idea how to use malloc? |
| 08:08.37 | maquis | ie, even with the function prototype, and some explanations, they still can't get it |
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| 13:26.01 | goozbach | ~rlart |
| 13:29.24 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
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| 13:46.20 | goozbach | elg: re your conversation last night... ever played illumiopoly? |
| 13:46.24 | goozbach | (sp) |
| 13:46.26 | elg | no |
| 13:47.54 | goozbach | it's all about making up your own rules |
| 13:48.40 | goozbach | http://www.gamecabinet.com/rules/Illuminopoly.html |
| 13:48.42 | brac | [Illuminopoly] |
| 13:53.34 | goozbach | fun stuff |
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| 14:11.16 | goozbach | mornings suck |
| 14:11.32 | emcnabb | goozbach sucks |
| 14:12.37 | elg | -lart gooznabb |
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| 14:17.35 | elg | sigh. the last time ups updated the shipping on my printer was 7/25 at 1am |
| 14:17.55 | elg | i sure hope it hasn't been sitting in a warehouse in california for 30 hours |
| 14:21.59 | macnewbold | no, sitting on a truck driving through nevada probably |
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| 14:44.04 | elg | actually I hope it's past that stage too |
| 14:44.14 | elg | it doesn't take 30 hours to drive from cali to nevada |
| 14:45.31 | elg | o/~ it may be hard to believe, I'm retiscent, but baby you didnt' know me when |
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| 14:47.45 | mheath[laptop] | ..... |
| 14:48.00 | ^Migs^ | I have a problem with my screen resolution and/or text settings. The letters are scrunching together and are sometimes unreadable. |
| 14:48.16 | ^Migs^ | for example, right now I can't tell the difference between rn and m |
| 14:48.32 | ^Migs^ | this is in Suse 10.1 |
| 14:49.02 | Supaplex | under X or the console? |
| 14:49.31 | Supaplex | when was it last working, and what else has changed since then? |
| 14:50.02 | ^Migs^ | it happened since I installed SuSe. And this is under X. |
| 14:50.25 | ^Migs^ | the problem might be because there isn't a Linux driver for my particular monitor, a HP 2335 |
| 14:50.40 | ^Migs^ | but I'm not familiar enough with the system to know if that's true or not |
| 14:50.58 | Supaplex | crt? flat panel? plasma? lcd? |
| 14:51.13 | Supaplex | did you try reconfiguring X? |
| 14:51.17 | ^Migs^ | lcd |
| 14:51.25 | mheath[laptop] | ^Migs^, almost no monitors have special / specific drivers. |
| 14:51.45 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 14:51.56 | Supaplex | do you have the frequency timings for this screen? Can't hur to check, but it sounds like an aspect ratio/font issue. |
| 14:51.59 | ^Migs^ | I'm messing around with YaST |
| 14:52.02 | Supaplex | hur/hurt/ |
| 14:52.25 | ^Migs^ | frequency timings? |
| 14:56.47 | mheath[laptop] | Is it just the fonts that look scrunched/ |
| 14:56.48 | mheath[laptop] | ? |
| 14:59.24 | mheath[laptop] | Sigh. Why do I have to keep like 3 different copies of every documnt I have? |
| 14:59.55 | mheath[laptop] | I have Open office docs, but then I need to save them as PDF, and then I need to save them as DOC |
| 15:04.18 | mheath[laptop] | I should make a document translation service + program |
| 15:05.12 | mheath[laptop] | You download a small tool....open unknown documents with it....and it will connect to a server, see what the server has for translating that document, upload the doc, and download the newly translated doc |
| 15:14.03 | levi | And then you'd still have 3 different copies. |
| 15:14.49 | mheath[laptop] | levi: No, the idea is the person that I need to send the .doc to has this tol |
| 15:14.50 | mheath[laptop] | *tool |
| 15:15.22 | mheath[laptop] | So I can simply keep the format that I need (the Open Office doc), and they can translate it easily on there end with the click of a button |
| 15:15.59 | levi | I wouldn't want to trust that the output of a format translation looked right. |
| 15:17.15 | mheath[laptop] | levi: Why not? I have to translate it anyway. |
| 15:17.31 | levi | If I translate it, I know if it looks decent before I send it. |
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| 15:57.54 | m{ | mheath[laptop]: you ever get your car fixed? |
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| 16:08.06 | macnewbold | yes, he did. broken belt messed up the cam timing belt, or something like that |
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| 16:12.55 | mrpull_ | yikes. isn't a broken timing belt a death sentence for most cars? |
| 16:13.49 | sjansen | Not if they're using the new Sun clockless design... oh, wait... |
| 16:17.18 | goozbach | were'd jayce go? |
| 16:18.56 | rsimpkins | Okay, irssi users out there... How do you switch networks when you are connected to two of them? ctrl+??? |
| 16:19.45 | goozbach | x |
| 16:19.47 | goozbach | ctrl x |
| 16:20.04 | rsimpkins | goozbach: Thanks. :) |
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| 17:28.00 | amcnabb | http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50902 |
| 17:28.33 | amcnabb | I don't know why, but for some reason I love anything that makes fun of Wikipedia. |
| 17:31.57 | maquis | lol |
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| 17:47.50 | levi | mrpull_: The timing belt didn't break; an accessory belt broke and made the timing belt skip a tooth or two, throwing off the timing. |
| 17:49.25 | levi | mrpull_: And the severity of a timing belt break depends on the engine design. If the valves go into the area that the piston occupies at the top of its travel, then serious damage is likely to occur. Otherwise, the engine just stops running. |
| 17:49.51 | levi | http://geekz.co.uk/shop/eler_knuth0_design_big.jpg |
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| 17:59.50 | tuple | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:59.57 | tuple | -lart elg |
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| 18:13.49 | levi | tuple, eh? |
| 18:18.30 | elg | yup |
| 18:18.39 | elg | tuples are nifty |
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| 18:23.30 | levi | They are. |
| 18:23.33 | levi | n-tuples! |
| 18:23.38 | levi | Time for lunch. |
| 18:24.54 | findlay | heh |
| 18:25.04 | findlay | ntuples are a weak excuse for a database |
| 18:25.21 | findlay | unless your data is truly flat |
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| 18:50.47 | findlay | ~imagemagick++ |
| 19:05.31 | Tene | ... rails doesn't support compound primary keys? o.O |
| 19:18.05 | levi | Rails is... opinionated about databases. |
| 19:18.36 | levi | In other words, it thinks they should be stupid and fast. |
| 19:20.17 | findlay | worksforme I guess |
| 19:33.16 | Tene | Ahh. |
| 19:33.17 | Tene | 'kay |
| 19:40.09 | [phoenyx] | iirc, if your table is bridging two tables in a many-to-many relationship, it can have a compound key of the keys of the two tables' keys it bridges |
| 19:42.40 | [phoenyx] | which group is hosting the BBQ in Sugarhouse? |
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| 19:44.59 | sjansen | *sigh* Another linkedin email from somebody I don't recognize. |
| 19:45.25 | goozbach | bah social sites |
| 19:46.35 | sjansen | Tene: Rails does support compound primary keys, you just don't get as much magic if you use compound keys. |
| 19:46.52 | sjansen | In other words, you have to write more SQL by hand. |
| 19:47.29 | Tene | I just read a generic mention of it on a blog somewhere. |
| 19:47.30 | Tene | 'kay |
| 19:47.40 | sjansen | levi: I love the image! Know if I can get it on a shirt? |
| 19:48.04 | levi | sjansen: I have no idea, though I imagine CafePress could do it for you. |
| 19:48.30 | levi | If that site doesn't, that is. |
| 19:48.42 | sjansen | http://geekz.co.uk/shop/ |
| 19:48.43 | brac | [Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Shop] |
| 19:49.21 | sjansen | Bah, I don't want to pay 2.50 pounds for shipping. :-( |
| 19:49.23 | rsimpkins | ESR wrote the jargon file, didn't he? |
| 19:49.55 | levi | I think he edited/maintained it for a while. |
| 19:49.58 | Tene | image? |
| 19:51.07 | levi | http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/revision-history.html |
| 19:51.07 | sjansen | esr did many things, not least of which is creating the term "Open Source" and writing The Cathedral & The Bazaar, which he deserves credit for |
| 19:51.08 | brac | [Chapter 3. Revision History] |
| 19:51.36 | sjansen | but esr is an annoying glory hound too willing to claim he speaks for the entire community |
| 19:51.58 | levi | ESR picked it up pretty late in the game, actually. |
| 19:52.14 | sjansen | rms is annoying, but at least he own claims to speak as messiah for humanity... er, I mean leader of the Free software movement |
| 19:52.19 | rsimpkins | He lets hackers stay at his house. |
| 19:52.42 | sjansen | s/own/only/ |
| 19:53.07 | levi | RMS has a house now? |
| 19:53.36 | levi | Anyway, Guy Steele is cooler than ESR or RMS. |
| 19:53.57 | rsimpkins | No, ESR has a hackers lair in his basement he lets wayward hackers crash at. |
| 19:54.12 | rsimpkins | go to his house with a scruffy beard, unshowered, and carying a laptop - and he'll let you crash. |
| 19:54.49 | RyanE | so now homeless people will start to carry around faux-laptops, to crash at ESR's house? |
| 19:55.01 | sjansen | For some reason I picture rms living in an apartment packed to bulging with bookes packed to the ceiling. I picture unwashed wiindows, an ancient dying sofa, and a small bedroom with a spare bulb. A VMS system as space heater, a NeXT box on the kitchen table. A bathrobe hanging on the bathroom door. |
| 19:55.05 | levi | ESR is a poser. RMS went from hacker to politician. Guy Steele is still a mover and a shaker in the world of programming. And he wrote cool poetry. |
| 19:55.13 | RyanE | after all, they've already got the scruffy beard / unshowered part down pat. |
| 19:56.23 | rsimpkins | I think ESR's main claim to programming fame is... "fetchmail" ... while RMS has... "emacs" |
| 19:56.44 | levi | Um, RMS has more than emacs. |
| 19:56.50 | sjansen | s/packed to bulging/bulging/ ; s/spare bulg/bare bulb/ |
| 19:56.53 | Tene | I use fetchmail. I don't use emacs. |
| 19:57.08 | sjansen | Do you use ls? |
| 19:57.12 | sjansen | How about cp? |
| 19:57.15 | levi | gcc? |
| 19:57.15 | Tene | I do! |
| 19:57.24 | sjansen | Ever heard of mv? ld? as? gcc? |
| 19:57.38 | Tene | I use those all on a regular basis. |
| 19:57.56 | Tene | I wonder where they came from... |
| 19:58.01 | Tene | Can you tell me, sjansen? |
| 19:58.02 | sjansen | rms wrote most of the core Linux commands. Those he didn't write, he lead other developers working on the GNU OS. |
| 19:58.31 | Tene | No magic code faries? |
| 19:58.53 | rsimpkins | I was indicating RMS's claim to programming fame is emacs. That is what is is most well known for. While ESR really has only written a handful of small apps - the main one being fetchmail (that I know of any way). |
| 19:59.37 | sjansen | esr didn't write fetchmail, he took over maintainership |
| 19:59.54 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Exactly. |
| 19:59.59 | rsimpkins | sjansen: It wasn't a complement. |
| 20:01.02 | levi | Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Raymond and see who's the real hacker. |
| 20:01.37 | rsimpkins | Yeah, no doubt RMS is the hacker. |
| 20:02.15 | levi | And then check out Guy Steele's page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Steele |
| 20:02.42 | Tene | and sjansen's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SJansen |
| 20:03.02 | levi | Much smaller, since he's not a political activist and doesn't thrust himself into the limelight, but pretty impressive. |
| 20:07.41 | emcnabb | that was the most yummy mango I've had in a very long time |
| 20:07.45 | levi | Another great hacker of the same era: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gosper |
| 20:09.17 | levi | And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Greenblatt_%28programmer%29 |
| 20:12.38 | findlay | ~mango emcnabb |
| 20:12.40 | emcnabb | I want to write a Wikipedia article on sjanse |
| 20:12.47 | emcnabb | that would be so much fun |
| 20:13.06 | emcnabb | sjansen |
| 20:13.07 | findlay | s/h/j/ |
| 20:13.22 | findlay | s/h/j/g |
| 20:13.30 | emcnabb | findlay tries to correct a mistake and makes one in the process |
| 20:13.33 | emcnabb | ha! |
| 20:13.39 | Tene | emcnabb: do it |
| 20:13.45 | findlay | s/h/j/giaeioupqrstlne |
| 20:14.58 | emcnabb | sjansen was born in North Dakota, daughter of a sunflower farmer... |
| 20:15.08 | jakea | emcnabb: I'll contribute to it |
| 20:15.30 | jakea | Favorite Linux Distros: Mandrake and Caldera |
| 20:16.01 | emcnabb | growing up, she enjoyed playing tick-tack-toe, picking her nose, and using crack |
| 20:16.30 | goozbach | emcnabb: born in 334bc in North Dakota, daughter of a sunflower farmer and a previous incarnation of Xenu |
| 20:16.32 | emcnabb | Her insatiable crack habit caused massive brain damage, from which she has never recovered. |
| 20:16.49 | emcnabb | goozbach: I like it |
| 20:16.53 | goozbach | that way you can piss off the scientoloigists |
| 20:17.18 | Tene | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Bouncy_Castle |
| 20:18.11 | emcnabb | sjansen wrote several books on high level web programming languages, such as "PHP for sharecroppers" |
| 20:23.36 | rsimpkins | sjansen was instrumental during the Battle of Waterloo when he showed up in a Napoleon costum that confused troops long enough for Wellinton to win. |
| 20:28.44 | findlay | no, it was the coming of the Prussians who saved the battle of Waterloo |
| 20:29.42 | findlay | War and Peace was a pretty good book |
| 20:30.03 | findlay | ibot: where's the nearest drinking fountain? |
| 20:30.40 | findlay | how did I know ibot would fail me? |
| 20:36.43 | goozbach | sjansen was also interagal to the introduction of kitten huffing to the midwest |
| 20:44.12 | RyanE | even worse: bonsai kitten huffing... |
| 20:53.42 | rsimpkins | sjansen has been known to divide by zero. |
| 20:57.49 | Tene | http://uncyclopedia.org/images/5/5b/Windowsvistamarketing.jpg |
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| 21:01.15 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:01.28 | Tene | -lart brac |
| 21:11.19 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:15.41 | vontrapp | what's the rails channel? |
| 21:18.37 | findlay | what's the easiest way to unpack an RPM? |
| 21:19.08 | rsimpkins | rpm2cpio |
| 21:19.09 | findlay | I don't care about it's stupid dependencies and I don't want to install it. I just want the files inside |
| 21:20.02 | rsimpkins | findlay: http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-miscellania-rpm2cpio.html |
| 21:20.21 | [phoenyx] | vontrap: #rubyonrails |
| 21:27.04 | Tene | Anyone here ever used munin before? |
| 21:29.12 | elg | ~munin |
| 21:29.21 | Supaplex | what's it do? |
| 21:29.31 | Tene | it's a statistics logging and graphing package |
| 21:29.40 | Tene | for thigns like network traffic, memory, cpu, etc. |
| 21:29.54 | elg | how does it differ from cacti? |
| 21:29.59 | Tene | after a recent update of it and rrdtool, the graphing part is chewing up *massive* amounts of memory. |
| 21:29.59 | Supaplex | kinda like cacti |
| 21:30.10 | Tene | I don't know anything about cacti. |
| 21:30.34 | elg | and I don't know anything about munin. seems we're complementary |
| 21:30.49 | Tene | I'm thinking I might just go back to the earlier versions and set them to not update. |
| 21:31.17 | Tene | Just a weird issue. |
| 21:31.32 | xbmodder_newlapp | I have a bunch of users (that are about 800 miles away) that currently use outlook, is there a way that I can deploy thunderbird, and then they download a 'provisioning' file that will alter their settings to use our server |
| 21:31.50 | xbmodder_newlapp | I don't mind making a 'provisioning file' for each person |
| 21:32.51 | Supaplex | I think that'd be a thunderbird profile thingie. humm.. fasinating idea. |
| 21:33.35 | Supaplex | I don't recall where the profile data for the outlook info is. it's too bad they don't all have perl installed to. ;) |
| 21:34.01 | xbmodder_newlapp | Supaplex, I can make a profile per person |
| 21:34.11 | Supaplex | yup |
| 21:34.16 | emcnabb | findlay: use midnight commander to open it |
| 21:38.41 | sjansen | emcnabb: real men use rpm2cpio |
| 21:39.07 | sjansen | no, wait, scratch that, real men use a hex editor to strip off the header then they use cpio |
| 21:39.35 | emcnabb | alien converts to tarballs |
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| 21:44.04 | sjansen | levi: Wow, Guy Steele really deserves more credit. |
| 21:44.20 | elg | yeah, he's so much cooler than Guy Irone |
| 21:44.23 | sjansen | tar is for sissies |
| 21:44.45 | emcnabb | you must use tar files all the time then |
| 21:45.01 | elg | cpio is for lunatics |
| 21:45.10 | emcnabb | elg is a lunatic |
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| 21:45.22 | elg | hey, then I'd have to use cpio |
| 21:45.30 | elg | don't inflict that on me. call me crazy instead |
| 21:45.33 | levi | Guy Steele is one of my computing heroes. |
| 21:45.46 | emcnabb | time to go home |
| 21:45.56 | levi | Even if he was involved in the Java specification. |
| 21:46.47 | vontrapp | after failing on #rubyonrails, /me takes the off chance someone here might know |
| 21:47.01 | vontrapp | why does open-uri fail to do anything useful inside of rails? |
| 21:52.17 | levi | Ooh, this is interesting: http://www.bookpool.com/ct/184 |
| 21:52.18 | brac | [Bookpool: Guy Steele] |
| 21:58.46 | sjansen | Guy Fawkes is one my computer heroes... oh, wait... Guy Fawkes is one of my blowing up British royalty heroes |
| 22:02.01 | Tene | sjansen might be one of my computer heroes. |
| 22:02.08 | Tene | he also might not be. |
| 22:04.51 | elg | guy steele has a swimming pool made of books? |
| 22:05.53 | elg | hooray for thunderstorms |
| 22:05.58 | elg | -weather klru |
| 22:05.59 | brac | 35 minutes ago, on Wed Jul 26 21:31:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.60 meters per second (8.06 miles per hour) from the South/Southeast at KLRU. The temperature was 38 degrees Celsius (100 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1013 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 21.2%. The sky was clear. |
| 22:06.18 | elg | clear my foot |
| 22:06.25 | Tene | ~quote evil |
| 22:07.50 | goozbach | -urls |
| 22:07.50 | brac | [2006/07/26 15:52:18] <levi> http://www.bookpool.com/ct/184 |
| 22:07.50 | brac | [2006/07/26 15:20:02] <rsimpkins> http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-miscellania-rpm2cpio.html |
| 22:07.50 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:57:50] <Tene> http://uncyclopedia.org/images/5/5b/Windowsvistamarketing.jpg |
| 22:07.50 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:17:20] <Tene> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Bouncy_Castle |
| 22:08.00 | goozbach | -urls 50 |
| 22:08.00 | brac | [2006/07/26 15:52:18] <levi> http://www.bookpool.com/ct/184 |
| 22:08.00 | brac | [2006/07/26 15:20:02] <rsimpkins> http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-miscellania-rpm2cpio.html |
| 22:08.01 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:57:50] <Tene> http://uncyclopedia.org/images/5/5b/Windowsvistamarketing.jpg |
| 22:08.01 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:17:20] <Tene> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Bouncy_Castle |
| 22:08.03 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:09:19] <levi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Greenblatt_%28programmer%29 |
| 22:08.03 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:07:47] <levi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gosper |
| 22:08.03 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:02:43] <Tene> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SJansen |
| 22:08.05 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:02:17] <levi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Steele |
| 22:08.07 | brac | [2006/07/26 14:01:04] <levi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman |
| 22:08.09 | brac | [2006/07/26 13:51:09] <levi> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/revision-history.html |
| 22:08.27 | sjansen | ~quote scox |
| 22:08.30 | levi | 50? Are you trying to spam us? |
| 22:11.33 | Supaplex | ~quote x |
| 22:11.46 | Supaplex | ~quote cvg |
| 22:12.22 | elg | 50 what? |
| 22:12.31 | Tene | 50 urls |
| 22:12.49 | Tene | ~quote ibot |
| 22:12.55 | Tene | ~quote brac |
| 22:13.37 | elg | i could be remedial, but that's not 50 urls |
| 22:14.05 | levi | elg: He asked for 50, though. |
| 22:14.06 | Tene | brac is probably well-behaved and won't do something rude like that. |
| 22:14.13 | elg | i'm not seeing it |
| 22:14.21 | elg | oh there it is |
| 22:14.26 | elg | hidden in between |
| 22:14.29 | elg | ok, carry on |
| 22:14.36 | elg | ibot, kick goozbach |
| 22:14.37 | ibot | bugger off, elg! |
| 22:14.44 | elg | oh, I'm not a sod now huh? |
| 22:15.06 | Tene | ibot, kic1k elg |
| 22:15.35 | Tene | ~kick elg |
| 22:15.36 | ibot | bugger off, tene! |
| 22:15.58 | Tene | ~k1,5ick elg |
| 22:22.41 | sjansen | ~lart levi for his Guy Steele bookpool link |
| 22:23.00 | levi | Why's that lart-worthy? |
| 22:23.55 | sjansen | Because he mentioned that $200 Knuth book set. Which I checked out. Which I'm now fighting the temptation to buy. |
| 22:24.06 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:24.09 | sjansen | (But I'm not fighting very hard, so I'll probably end up doing it.) |
| 22:24.29 | levi | I wish I had the time to read more books. |
| 22:24.29 | Tene | For that same $200, you could buy a 500GB external USB drive from BestBuy. |
| 22:24.47 | levi | ... |
| 22:25.00 | levi | Tene: You are dead to me. |
| 22:25.05 | Tene | That could hold a lot of pdfs. |
| 22:25.08 | sjansen | ~slap Tene for comparing a hard drive to tomes by Knuth |
| 22:25.09 | ibot | ACTION slaps Tene for comparing a hard drive to tomes by Knuth, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:25.13 | elg | lol |
| 22:25.21 | Tene | levi: I'm a bot. I'm nonliving, not dead. |
| 22:25.30 | elg | you are null to him then |
| 22:25.36 | Tene | Oh, okay. |
| 22:25.37 | spr | The Tex Users Group here has Knuth's books here. |
| 22:26.15 | sjansen | The UofU TUG? |
| 22:26.50 | elg | spr isn't at UoU |
| 22:26.55 | elg | is he? |
| 22:26.57 | spr | no, the national TUG. here as in OSCON |
| 22:27.01 | sjansen | BYU has a TUG? |
| 22:27.06 | sjansen | ah |
| 22:27.11 | vontrapp | spr: i was going to ask you, what wm do you recommend for mythtv? |
| 22:27.25 | elg | vontrapp: shave that yak. write your own |
| 22:27.34 | elg | your own myth or your own wm, take your pick |
| 22:27.37 | vontrapp | hmm, a little more than a yak |
| 22:27.56 | spr | vontrapp, I haven't had time to try different things. evilwm isn't the best choice. |
| 22:28.12 | Tene | vontrapp: find a way to combine the yaks like voltron. |
| 22:28.14 | spr | Fluxbox might have an option to let the new window take focus |
| 22:28.22 | vontrapp | spr: yeah, i know, i ended up going with no wm over evil :) |
| 22:28.57 | spr | evilwm works, but not for what you want. |
| 22:29.15 | Tene | e17! |
| 22:29.32 | spr | I'd look at the busybox descendants. |
| 22:29.54 | spr | You can run it under gnome/kde too. I'm sure gnome can give new windows focus. |
| 22:29.55 | vontrapp | 3\/1L |
| 22:30.15 | vontrapp | -lart gnome |
| 22:30.30 | vontrapp | my poor computer has a hard enough time with myth already |
| 22:31.09 | spr | vontrapp, get a better computer :) |
| 22:31.37 | vontrapp | i wish |
| 22:31.41 | vontrapp | sometime i might be able to |
| 22:31.49 | vontrapp | one day... |
| 22:32.05 | elg | openbox? |
| 22:32.10 | elg | sawfish? metacity? |
| 22:32.15 | elg | if gnome works, metacity ought to work |
| 22:32.45 | Tene | vontrapp: use e17! runs great on slow hardware! |
| 22:32.53 | elg | heh. this fourplay rendition of doctor who theme is pretty cool |
| 22:33.25 | Tene | I don't know what your requirements are, but e17 has an easy interface to remember window settings |
| 22:33.26 | vontrapp | i just need something lightweight that handles focus nicely |
| 22:33.32 | vontrapp | don't even have to worry about mouse interference |
| 22:33.35 | vontrapp | (no mouse) |
| 22:34.33 | vontrapp | Tene: looking... i first thought e17! was an ill attempted leet speak for evil |
| 22:34.40 | Tene | Heh. |
| 22:35.28 | elg | does e really run good on old hardwre? |
| 22:36.26 | Tene | I've seen quite a few people come into the enlightenment channels talking about how well e is running on their old, underpowered box and how happy they are and how much they hate {gnome,kde} because of how much it bogged down their system. |
| 22:36.32 | Tene | I haven't tried it personally. |
| 22:37.02 | Tene | Although it runs fine on my laptop with negligible graphics card and the processor scaled down to 500mhz |
| 22:37.06 | Tene | I guess that counts... |
| 22:37.44 | levi | I imagine the programmer has got better at writing fast code over the years. And the zippy fast machines it required when it was new are now pretty darn slow. |
| 22:40.17 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~lart ATI |
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| 22:42.00 | ryantrip | xbmodder_newlapp: hey |
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| 22:52.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | So, On a geekier note, when will nVidia and intel form a cooperative |
| 23:01.17 | elg | levi: http://sztywny.titaniumhosting.com/2006/07/23/stiff-asks-great-programmers-answers/ |
| 23:01.26 | elg | very telling |
| 23:01.37 | elg | like the "is math important" question |
| 23:10.52 | levi | Ahh, I think I saw that yeterday. Interesting stuff. |
| 23:12.10 | levi | Doesn't surprise me that DHH doesn't think math is important for programming. |
| 23:12.34 | levi | Or Tim Bray, either. |
| 23:13.12 | elg | nor me. web programmers |
| 23:13.42 | levi | Certainly a few of them are outclassed by the likes of Norvig and Gosling. |
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| 23:43.51 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 23:46.14 | Tene | ibot: ki12,4ck maquis |
| 23:46.17 | Tene | ack |
| 23:46.35 | maquis | ibot: nah... kick Tene instead |
| 23:46.55 | vontrapp | what a nasty color |
| 23:49.58 | elg | ~vontrapp tene |
| 23:53.04 | elg | i hate that i'm near the end of ups' route |
| 23:53.38 | vontrapp | ~lart ups |
