| 00:00.09 | findlay | harleypig: xpenguins? |
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| 00:01.54 | rsimpkins | Have there been any problems announced today regarding freenode network problems? |
| 00:02.29 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Haven't seen any... |
| 00:02.55 | rsimpkins | I can't seem to connect to chat.us.freenode.net. |
| 00:03.00 | rsimpkins | Haven't been able to for several hours. |
| 00:03.49 | tensai | ~lart elg when he gets back |
| 00:04.10 | jsmith | rsimpkins: Yeah, it appears to have died... |
| 00:05.10 | tensai | ~onjoin elg tensai sez: no, I don't use greylisting and I have no idea how it would affect my server if you did |
| 00:05.10 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 00:05.16 | tensai | ibot: thank you |
| 00:05.16 | ibot | tensai: de nada |
| 00:12.09 | tensai | ~cow pie |
| 00:12.11 | ibot | ACTION heaps a steaming pile of cow manure on synic |
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| 01:45.53 | tensai | elg: since my server does a real time verification to your server, I think it might work ok |
| 01:47.23 | elg | tensai: ah, so you don't accept it unless I'd accept it? |
| 01:47.46 | elg | or how does that work? |
| 01:48.04 | tensai | elg: correct |
| 01:48.11 | elg | what if I'm offline? |
| 01:48.21 | tensai | unless your server is offline, in which case it falls back to accept |
| 01:50.00 | tensai | elg: actually, I know how I could set up a test |
| 01:50.43 | tensai | I've got a server set up that just hands out 421 errors |
| 02:11.48 | tensai | elg: it treats a 4xx the same as a failed connect to host, so if you turned on greylisting it would load up my server with junk |
| 02:12.40 | elg | and you'd retry the delivery and it would get through anyway |
| 02:13.10 | tensai | yes, you're right. it would totally defeat the purpose for greylisting |
| 02:13.55 | tensai | I'm not opposed to enabling greylisting if it's not going to kill my server doing it |
| 02:14.38 | tensai | or we could have my server run simply in a standby mode |
| 02:15.02 | tensai | you could add it to the mx if you need |
| 02:15.19 | tensai | I'm not generally convinced that secondary MXes are necessary |
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| 02:16.16 | rsimpkins | Does google have something that competes against paypal? |
| 02:17.55 | tensai | yes |
| 02:18.32 | tensai | checkout.google.com |
| 02:19.53 | rsimpkins | Oh, so you can't recieve funds? |
| 02:20.38 | tensai | somebody has to be able to |
| 02:21.13 | tensai | otherwise google's doing pretty well for itself, taking in money but not doling it out |
| 02:23.00 | elg | tensai: your choice. I can remove you from mx or you can turn on greylisting |
| 02:23.07 | elg | it was easy to set up postgrey on debian |
| 02:23.20 | elg | it won't kill your server, au contraire |
| 02:24.49 | elg | ok, since when is int foo[LINES][COLS] not ok to pass to a function expecting an int **? |
| 02:25.19 | elg | what prototype should I use instead of int **? |
| 02:25.36 | elg | (it's coming back to me. C's multi-dim arrays aren't as cool as you'd hope) |
| 02:27.12 | xbmodder_newlapp | Would anyone here be interested in calling cards? |
| 02:27.28 | elg | free ones? sure, I bet they make good coasters |
| 02:28.58 | rsimpkins | calling cards are a rip. |
| 02:29.20 | rsimpkins | I bought one once to use a pay phone because I forgot my cell. It cost me $1.75 to make that call. |
| 02:30.02 | rsimpkins | Not the minutes used - just to get the connection. |
| 02:30.16 | rsimpkins | I think the total call ended up being $2.30 or something. |
| 02:31.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | elg, calling cards are rectangulaer. |
| 02:31.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | er |
| 02:31.14 | xbmodder_newlapp | s/aer/ar/ |
| 02:31.24 | elg | yeah. you need to use rectangular glasses |
| 02:31.28 | elg | like they did in the 70s |
| 02:58.15 | levi_home | elg: C multi-dim arrays? What multi-dim arrays? ;) |
| 03:18.59 | goozbach | whadda I do? |
| 04:11.58 | levi_home | We just watched the Voyager episode Dark Frontier, where the Borg Queen captures Seven of Nine. |
| 05:17.47 | elg | funny, we just watched the episode where seven comes on board |
| 05:17.59 | elg | and kes leaves |
| 05:18.03 | elg | ok, the three episodes |
| 05:18.45 | levi_home | We watched those a little while ago. |
| 05:18.49 | tensai | elg: what are your greylist settings? |
| 05:18.55 | elg | 5 minutes |
| 05:18.59 | elg | the debian defaults |
| 05:19.54 | tensai | 5 minutes? what's five minutes? |
| 05:20.05 | tensai | I'm using greylistd. it has retryMin, retryMax and expire. |
| 05:20.18 | tensai | defaulting to 1h, 8h and 60d respectively |
| 05:20.57 | elg | the min is 5 minutes |
| 05:21.02 | elg | not sure what max and expire are |
| 05:21.15 | elg | I didn't see where those are set in postgrey, and I was happy with 5 minutes |
| 05:22.50 | tensai | so as long as a host waits at least 5 minutes and tries again, it'll pass? |
| 05:23.53 | elg | yup |
| 05:24.06 | elg | as long as it doesn't wait more than retrymax, I think |
| 05:24.20 | elg | and once it passes they're good until they haven't sent email for expire time |
| 05:24.43 | elg | so as long as they send an email once every two months, by those settings, it will never be unwhitelisted |
| 05:24.46 | tensai | ok, that's what I understood them to mean |
| 05:25.46 | tensai | btw, I just found a message for you on my mail server. it got frozen because it came from hotmail. |
| 05:25.58 | tensai | it was 5 days old. sorry for the delay |
| 05:26.21 | elg | was it legit? |
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| 05:26.28 | tensai | yes. it was to *-dev |
| 05:26.39 | elg | as in asterisk-dev? |
| 05:26.45 | tensai | yes |
| 05:26.47 | elg | hmm. didn't realize I was still subscribed to that |
| 05:26.55 | tensai | you were 5 days ago :) |
| 05:26.58 | elg | :) |
| 05:27.30 | tensai | I also deleted about 10 messages that were junk and got frozen |
| 05:27.48 | elg | looks like defaults for postgrey are 5 minutes, window of 2 days, and expire after 35 days |
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| 05:32.13 | tensai | elg: as in the Milton Bradley game or the John Conway game? |
| 05:32.48 | elg | conway |
| 05:32.59 | elg | a little curses bootstrapping |
| 05:33.10 | elg | and preparing a lab for my guinea pigs^W^W students |
| 05:33.21 | elg | they get to write the life algorithm |
| 05:36.00 | elg | the draft spec is http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hfugal/cs167/labs/life.html |
| 05:38.40 | tensai | here goes nothing |
| 05:39.28 | tensai | elg: send me an email |
| 05:40.16 | tensai | elg: "neighbours"? what country are you from again? |
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| 05:47.55 | levi_home | My lan connection died. |
| 05:49.21 | findlay | Mozart is such a genius |
| 05:51.24 | tensai | elg: lemme know when you wake back up. I've got some comments on your lab. |
| 05:55.02 | findlay | meaning it st1nx0rz |
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| 05:58.01 | tensai | ~onjoin elg elg: your lab spec doesn't say what the values in current/next actually mean. they appear to be boolean for dead or alive. correct? |
| 05:58.01 | ibot | tensai: ok |
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| 06:01.17 | sargun | anyone here have COM experience |
| 06:04.18 | sargun | any ideas with this programming challenge: http://pastebin.ca/95660 |
| 06:07.58 | findlay | com? |
| 06:08.00 | findlay | haha |
| 06:09.13 | xbmodder_newlapp | -_- |
| 06:09.16 | tensai | didn't your mommy ever tell you that com is for domain names, not for interprocess communication? |
| 06:09.21 | xbmodder_newlapp | hehe |
| 06:09.33 | tensai | I know my mom was always talking about it |
| 06:11.21 | levi_home | You call it a 'programming challenge' like it would actually be interesting to solve. |
| 06:11.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 06:11.43 | tensai | I found elg's lab interesting to solve |
| 06:11.57 | xbmodder_newlapp | levi_home, its interesting to see horribly documented APIs |
| 06:12.02 | xbmodder_newlapp | or broken APIs |
| 06:12.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | I don't know which way it went |
| 06:12.35 | levi_home | No, that is not interesting. That's annoying. |
| 06:13.10 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 06:14.04 | levi_home | Nicely-documented APIs are far more rare and much more interesting. |
| 06:14.37 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 06:14.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | true-dat. |
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| 06:17.25 | maquis | tensai: what was elg's lab? |
| 06:18.04 | tensai | maquis: http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hfugal/cs167/labs/life.html |
| 06:20.12 | maquis | ooh! |
| 06:20.15 | maquis | that sounds fun |
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| 06:23.33 | tensai | he even added vi key bindings. I was happily using them and didn't even realize. |
| 06:26.08 | maquis | ack |
| 06:26.19 | maquis | a game i was using turned off key-repeat |
| 06:26.38 | findlay | haha |
| 06:26.46 | maquis | how do i get it back |
| 06:26.47 | maquis | ? |
| 06:26.54 | findlay | or should I say hhhhhaaaaahhhhhaaaaa |
| 06:27.06 | findlay | xset? |
| 06:27.30 | maquis | ooh |
| 06:27.32 | maquis | cool command |
| 06:27.51 | maquis | thx |
| 06:27.53 | maquis | that worked |
| 06:28.03 | findlay | maquis: did you ever doubt that I was not replete of the coolest commands ever? |
| 06:28.18 | maquis | findlay: good point |
| 06:30.04 | maquis | tensai: am i missing something with the makefile? it didn't make life |
| 06:30.08 | maquis | it just made the .o files |
| 06:34.03 | tensai | maquis: yes, you must have missed something |
| 06:34.26 | maquis | tensai: hmmm... wonder what i missed |
| 06:34.28 | tensai | do you have ncurses installed? |
| 06:34.29 | maquis | i tried running make |
| 06:34.33 | maquis | and then i tried running make life |
| 06:34.47 | maquis | i should have ncurses installed... isn't it required for mutt and things like that? |
| 06:35.06 | tensai | let me rephrase. do you have ncurses-dev(el)? installed |
| 06:35.42 | maquis | tensai: i don't know... i have libncurses, though |
| 06:36.10 | tensai | apt-get install libncurses-dev |
| 06:36.22 | maquis | tensai: that's not going to work... remember... i'm on freebsd |
| 06:36.36 | levi_home | maquis: Why in the world did you switch to freebsd? |
| 06:36.38 | tensai | well, probably identified |
| 06:36.50 | maquis | levi_home: because i wanted to try it out |
| 06:37.26 | findlay | maquis: yeah. All the cool kids use SCO UNIX_WARE now |
| 06:37.32 | levi_home | "My marginal OS isn't marginal enough anymore. I need less supported software and hardware!" ;) |
| 06:37.49 | tensai | this from the guy who programs in lisp |
| 06:39.15 | levi_home | tensai: That's different. Linux and FreeBSD are like gcc and some other C compiler, while Lisp differs substantially from other languages I've used. |
| 06:39.23 | maquis | tensai: i got it working |
| 06:39.28 | maquis | i just did it manually |
| 06:39.35 | maquis | not quite sure why the Makefile wasn't working... |
| 06:40.00 | maquis | levi_home: hardware support is quite nice, actually |
| 06:40.04 | levi_home | I mean, if you just want to try out an OS, at least try one out that's significantly different from the one you're using. |
| 06:40.33 | maquis | levi_home: well... it's hard to know whether that's what you're doing when you haven't used the OS much |
| 06:40.37 | maquis | or ever |
| 06:41.00 | levi_home | It's pretty clear that BSD and Linux are flavors of the same thing. |
| 06:41.14 | maquis | anyway... after this term, freebsd is going to be used for a router (because they've got some cool stuff for routers), and linux is coming back on this machine |
| 06:41.20 | maquis | (i just need to figure out what distro) |
| 06:41.38 | maquis | i wish that there was a linux distro that handled package-management the way that freebsd does |
| 06:42.04 | nick125_lappy | portage is sorta supposed to be like it.. |
| 06:42.15 | findlay | maquis: um, gentoo? |
| 06:42.18 | maquis | nick125_lappy: supposed to be... but it's not |
| 06:42.27 | maquis | findlay: i've used it... it's not really that similar |
| 06:42.33 | nick125_lappy | yeah.. |
| 06:42.35 | nick125_lappy | it isn't |
| 06:42.44 | maquis | freebsd has what i wished for when i was running gentoo |
| 06:42.46 | findlay | maquis: time to roll your own distro |
| 06:43.05 | maquis | findlay: haha... |
| 06:43.46 | levi_home | I still don't understand the compulsion so many people have to reinstall and switch operating systems all the time. |
| 06:44.12 | maquis | levi_home: it's called liking bits and pieces of various ones, and not finding one that has all the pieces you want |
| 06:44.51 | findlay | gentoo is by far my favorite distro |
| 06:45.15 | maquis | i like gentoo, but certain details bug me |
| 06:45.28 | findlay | nothing's perfect |
| 06:45.35 | maquis | but it should be |
| 06:45.42 | findlay | easy to say |
| 06:45.45 | tensai | pobody's nerfect |
| 06:45.55 | findlay | heay |
| 06:46.02 | maquis | gentoo got so close |
| 06:46.13 | maquis | and yet... they messed it up at the last moment |
| 06:46.28 | findlay | now maquis is becoming metaphorical |
| 06:46.29 | maquis | and i don't understand why they messed it up |
| 06:46.39 | levi_home | Operating systems are ultimately meant to sit in the background. If you mess around with your OS so much that you can't deal with a few annoyances, you aren't doing anything useful on your computer. |
| 06:46.55 | findlay | ha |
| 06:47.09 | maquis | if ports works so well, why modify it to stick python in there? why not just keep it the way it was? |
| 06:47.32 | maquis | portage didn't gain anything... but it lost a lot |
| 06:47.36 | findlay | maquis: now you're not understanding the benefits of a cogent package manager |
| 06:47.52 | maquis | and on top of that... they didn't bother to bring over the packages |
| 06:48.13 | maquis | findlay: what advantage does portage have over ports? |
| 06:48.25 | maquis | i really don't understand what they gained |
| 06:49.04 | findlay | maquis: genlop, qlist, qpkg, q*, gentoolkit, gentoolkit-dev, portage-utils, etc. |
| 06:49.36 | maquis | findlay: maybe that's my problem... i've never used any of those, to my knowledge |
| 06:49.59 | findlay | and ebuilds are way easy to modify |
| 06:50.06 | maquis | i know that in freebsd, you can use the package tools to list what's installed, etc |
| 06:50.09 | maquis | findlay: so are makefiles |
| 06:50.29 | findlay | so it's Makefile syntax vs python syntax |
| 06:50.39 | maquis | and makefiles aren't distro-specific |
| 06:50.44 | findlay | I find python more readable |
| 06:51.15 | findlay | portage is only slightly less portable |
| 06:51.18 | maquis | if i write a makefile to install my software and pull down dependencies and such, any distro can use it |
| 06:51.49 | maquis | any distro (except perhaps linspire and ubuntu) will already have make and gcc installed |
| 06:52.15 | findlay | most distros will have python installed by default as well |
| 06:52.50 | maquis | yeah... but sometimes people don't need python and they remove it... nobody would actually remove make |
| 06:53.11 | tensai | maquis: now that's not true |
| 06:53.13 | maquis | (and trust me... emerge is *not* happy when python's been removed) |
| 06:53.38 | maquis | tensai: i would remove python (and have)... but i would never remove make |
| 06:54.03 | maquis | tensai: quick question... is there a variable someplace for the number of lines / columns in the grid? |
| 06:54.22 | tensai | maquis: LINES, COLS |
| 06:54.29 | maquis | tensai: richt |
| 06:54.37 | tensai | maquis: you != nobody |
| 06:54.55 | maquis | tensai: true.... |
| 06:55.03 | tensai | until tonight I hadn't even noticed that ubuntu doesn't install make by default. it's been 3 or 4 weeks since I installed this machine |
| 06:55.04 | maquis | but i just don't see why anybody would remove make |
| 06:55.15 | maquis | make is just so useful |
| 06:55.23 | maquis | anytime you install something from source, you need it |
| 06:55.33 | tensai | to you, sure. but not to people not compiling code |
| 06:56.01 | tensai | maquis: I've been playing with a modified version of life. trying to write something that uses male and female |
| 06:56.04 | maquis | tensai: yeah... but those people will also have python removed |
| 06:56.11 | tensai | so far my civilizations just die out :( |
| 06:56.24 | maquis | tensai: maybe that's why they require 3 to create life? |
| 06:56.31 | tensai | maquis: not if they play pysol, the world's best solitaire suite |
| 06:56.53 | maquis | tensai: then they're forgetting the uses of the different operating systems |
| 06:57.05 | maquis | linux for programming, mac for graphics, windoze for solitaire |
| 06:59.59 | tensai | now I've got something. but the whole colony is turning into females. oh, the humanity! |
| 07:00.19 | maquis | tensai: are they randomly selecting whether to be male or female? |
| 07:00.22 | tensai | yes |
| 07:00.43 | maquis | equal chance of each/ |
| 07:00.53 | tensai | I allowed female to live with higher concentrations of neighbors |
| 07:01.01 | maquis | lol |
| 07:01.17 | tensai | I assumed the males would start fighting and kill each other |
| 07:01.29 | maquis | do they die when their neighbors get too low (with males being allowed a lower concentration)? |
| 07:01.52 | maquis | females don't do well when they're isolated |
| 07:02.02 | maquis | they need lots of people around them |
| 07:03.21 | tensai | maybe that's what I need. I had it in for both and the colony crumbled |
| 07:03.42 | maquis | guys can handle being reasonably isolated |
| 07:05.57 | maquis | preferably credit for cs428 |
| 07:06.45 | levi_home | I don't think you'll get credit for a 400-level class for doing a lab for an intro to C class. :) |
| 07:06.52 | maquis | sadness |
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| 07:07.04 | findlay | ~credit herlo |
| 07:07.20 | maquis | how come he gets credit? |
| 07:07.27 | herlo | findlay, how nice! |
| 07:07.29 | findlay | because |
| 07:07.40 | herlo | ~credit maquis |
| 07:07.42 | findlay | ~herlo++ |
| 07:08.03 | maquis | herlo1: thanks! |
| 07:08.13 | herlo1 | maquis: gotta pass the love |
| 07:08.25 | herlo1 | ~herlo-- |
| 07:09.00 | herlo | findlay: maquis: have you guys ever heard of "Discover" magazine? |
| 07:09.05 | levi_home | tensai: You may find this interesting: http://www.brook.edu/es/dynamics/sugarscape/default.htm |
| 07:09.05 | findlay | yeah |
| 07:09.09 | maquis | herlo: yeah |
| 07:09.30 | levi_home | I think I may have used to read it. |
| 07:09.34 | herlo | I'd never heard of it before...has a really good article this month about Einstein and gravity |
| 07:10.01 | levi_home | Yeah, I'm pretty sure I used to read it. |
| 07:10.11 | levi_home | It was like Popular Science Lite. |
| 07:11.09 | herlo | Kicker: With his general theory of relativity, he tried to explain gravity -- and left an even bigger mess for today's physicists to clean up... |
| 07:11.36 | herlo | Ever heard of Mordehai Milgrom? |
| 07:11.56 | levi_home | Milgrom sounds familiar, but I don't know why. |
| 07:12.21 | findlay | well that's one way of looking at it |
| 07:12.22 | herlo | This article seems to point to him as the person who refuted the physics behind the Theory of Relativity |
| 07:12.48 | findlay | general relativity is the most proven theory in the history of the world |
| 07:13.05 | herlo | findlay, I haven't finished reading the article, but its intriguing |
| 07:13.18 | levi_home | herlo: Reading it on paper or online? |
| 07:13.28 | herlo | levi_home: on paper... |
| 07:13.33 | herlo | maybe they have it online though |
| 07:15.00 | herlo | http://www.discover.com/issues/aug-06/cover/ |
| 07:16.07 | herlo | I am way tired or I'd probably finish it tonight. but I will definitely borrow this magazine to anyone who would like it. although its only 5 bucks at the bookstore |
| 07:19.34 | levi_home | This looks like it's talking about the same thing: http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=253972006 |
| 07:20.28 | levi_home | Sounds like they're saying the gravitational constant is not actually constant, and using that variability as a substitution for massive amounts of dark matter as the reason for galaxy cohesion. |
| 07:21.52 | findlay | dark matter is today's epicycles |
| 07:30.36 | herlo | findlay, here's the equation I found to change the explanation from dark matter |
| 07:30.53 | herlo | F = ma^2/a0 |
| 07:31.40 | herlo | Apparently the speed is very important, it must be less than one 10-billionth of a meter per second per second |
| 07:32.39 | herlo | a0 however is still a constant...creating a modified version of Newton's Second Law of Physics |
| 07:32.55 | herlo | anyway, I thought it was a very interesting article... |
| 07:33.19 | tensai | cool. now my little creatures age |
| 07:34.22 | tensai | they get too old and they buy the farm. kick the bucket. go to sing in the choir invisible. |
| 07:41.19 | tensai | that's enough playing $DIETY for the evening. time for some rest before I too shuffle off this mortal coil |
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| 14:40.00 | elg | yes, ibot |
| 14:40.05 | elg | I do need to flesh that out |
| 14:59.03 | elg | there you go ibot, more info |
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| 17:45.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | hi |
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| 17:51.35 | maquis | http://www.brawnyacademy.com |
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| 18:12.50 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org | BBQ Sugarhouse Park, Saturday, 29th, 7:30pm |
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| 18:31.45 | maquis | elg: i enjoy your lab |
| 18:32.00 | elg | cool |
| 18:32.30 | maquis | i was hoping perhaps i could get credit for it in cs428, but i suppose that's unlikely |
| 18:33.09 | elg | hehe |
| 18:33.12 | elg | what's cs428? |
| 18:34.05 | elg | this is so annoying. i am trying to get freevo to not run keychain on boot |
| 18:34.16 | elg | s/freevo/X/ |
| 18:34.41 | elg | and some time ago I fought the opposite battle, trying to get X to run keychain on login |
| 18:34.44 | maquis | elg: confused about which problem you're struggling with? |
| 18:34.57 | elg | well .xsession just execs freevo |
| 18:35.06 | elg | but it's X not freevo that's running keychain |
| 18:35.18 | elg | actually it's bash |
| 18:35.23 | maquis | :) |
| 18:36.35 | elg | it only runs in .bash_profile |
| 18:37.05 | elg | and afaict all the scripts are A) not being run as login shells and B) being run as /bin/sh so there's two reasons why it shouldn't be calling keychain |
| 18:38.28 | maquis | invoke goozbach |
| 18:39.10 | maquis | goozbach: i broke something and i need some help to fix it |
| 18:39.15 | maquis | ooh |
| 18:39.16 | maquis | wait |
| 18:39.19 | maquis | it's fixing |
| 18:39.41 | maquis | *phew* |
| 18:40.29 | vontrapp | i have this method call 'parse_url' |
| 18:40.40 | vontrapp | and now i don't know where the heck the method was coming from |
| 18:40.46 | vontrapp | and it's not available anymore |
| 18:44.06 | maquis | note to self: do not compound two known bugs in such a way that you have to wait for one of them to fix itself |
| 18:53.12 | elg | ah hah |
| 18:53.22 | elg | there's a stupid script that sources profile |
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| 19:29.32 | goozbach | jes? |
| 19:30.35 | maquis | goozbach: check /msg |
| 19:31.06 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/photography/timp_caves/ <-- please let me know which inside / outside pics are your favorite |
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| 19:46.16 | brailsmt | long time no see |
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| 20:16.13 | tensai | ~onjoin -elg |
| 20:16.13 | ibot | ok, tensai |
| 20:16.27 | tensai | elg: http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/life.c |
| 20:17.54 | elg | tensai: good work |
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| 20:18.10 | elg | want to see mine? |
| 20:18.53 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/5630 |
| 20:19.46 | elg | the comments and enum came after the code, if you're wondering :) |
| 20:21.27 | tensai | I started going crazy and implemented a world with male and female cells which also die of old age |
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| 20:24.04 | tensai | elg: I appreciated that you added vi key bindings. I didn't even realize I was using them. they're just second nature any more. |
| 20:24.13 | elg | :) |
| 20:24.27 | elg | I actually added them because I couldn't get the arrow keys to work on my laptop |
| 20:24.33 | elg | but that could be some osx terminal thing |
| 20:24.38 | elg | did the arrow keys work for you? |
| 20:27.11 | tensai | yes |
| 20:27.36 | elg | good. and enter? |
| 20:29.12 | tensai | yes, although I usually use 'g' |
| 20:29.24 | elg | cool |
| 20:30.00 | tensai | I thought about adding a status line to the bottom of the terminal |
| 20:30.32 | elg | I thought about that, but that would complicate LINES and COLs |
| 20:30.50 | maquis | enter didn't work for me |
| 20:30.56 | maquis | but g does |
| 20:50.43 | levi_home | Dang, I was going to use pastie to take over the world, but since they ask so nicely not to at the bottom of the page... |
| 21:00.33 | harleypig | where is the timezone info located? |
| 21:00.42 | harleypig | I want to change my /etc/timezone to PST |
| 21:01.59 | harleypig | nm, /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 21:13.22 | elg | I went crazy and wrote the project specs for the other projects all the way to the end of the term |
| 21:13.46 | elg | file://localhost/Users/fugalh/cs167/index.html |
| 21:16.29 | levi_home | I don't think that URL is going to work for us. |
| 21:17.06 | elg | yikes |
| 21:17.06 | elg | :) |
| 21:17.14 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hfugal/cs167/index.html |
| 21:19.31 | levi_home | palindrome.html is a 404 |
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| 21:22.33 | nick125_lappy | I got a question for you all: whats the likelyhood of having 4 switch failures in 5 months in two different racks? |
| 21:22.42 | elg | um, ah, yeah. of course, 404 is a palindrome |
| 21:22.46 | elg | try now |
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| 22:01.51 | tensai | nick125_lappy: what kind of switch? aside from cheap little switches, I can only think of one switch in the last three years |
| 22:02.16 | tensai | that has gone bad. out of 50 or so. |
| 22:04.17 | nick125_lappy | cisco switches |
| 22:05.08 | tensai | I would highly suspect bad power or poor grounding |
| 22:05.11 | tensai | we mostly use foundry switches. we've had them survive lightning strikes. |
| 22:06.14 | tensai | not that I advocate flying a kite in a storm with your switch attached, of course |
| 22:06.24 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 22:06.42 | nick125_lappy | I highly suspect I'm getting bull*****ed by our colo provider... |
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| 22:42.28 | levi_home | Whew, I have just finished folding a totally unreasonable amount of baby clothes. |
| 22:42.40 | elg | :) |
| 22:42.54 | elg | just wrap em in a blanket I say |
| 22:43.25 | levi_home | But then I have no idea where any particular item is when my wife requests that our daughter be dressed in it. |
| 22:43.46 | levi_home | And, before folding, they covered half the bed. |
| 22:43.56 | elg | i meant wrap the baby in a blanket. :) |
| 22:44.08 | levi_home | Ahh. Well, that would work for me. |
| 22:45.16 | levi_home | And, before the baby arrived, my wife talked about just having a few onesies and a nice outfit or two. But no, that lasted even less long than the 'let's wait a while to have kids' idea. ;) |
| 22:46.24 | elg | heh |
| 22:47.35 | levi_home | These high-minded notions fall flat in the face of instinct, I guess. |
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| 22:57.22 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 23:02.44 | elg | somebody really needs to give this guy something to do |
| 23:06.22 | elg | on rec.food.sourdough, which I occasionally peruse |
| 23:06.53 | elg | there's an oldtimer who seemingly delights in taunting the neophytes ruthlessly |
| 23:07.23 | elg | hardly a subject can be brought up without receiving his ridicule, and apparently nobody is safe |
| 23:08.03 | elg | he's harmless once you know he's harmless, but it's not funny and it drives people off (which may or may not be a good thing) |
| 23:08.46 | elg | but go back in the archives to the glory days of the group (i.e. the glory days of usenet) and he is a normal person pursuing good sourdough bread just like everyone else |
| 23:09.08 | elg | I can only assume he got bitter when the glory days ended |
| 23:09.24 | elg | or he retired and has figured out sourdough and has nothing better to do than taunt people on usenet. |
| 23:20.26 | levi_home | Heh. |
| 23:20.51 | levi_home | That must be why comp.lang.lisp is the way it is. |
| 23:21.00 | elg | http://home.att.net/~dick.adams/index.html |
| 23:21.01 | brac | [Dick Adams Information Page] |
| 23:21.03 | elg | that's his site |
| 23:21.29 | levi_home | elg: Have you looked at the ICFP contest for this year? |
| 23:21.38 | elg | it's really sad, he seems like a nice guy with interesting interests |
| 23:21.52 | elg | briefly |
| 23:22.37 | levi_home | From hearing people talk about it, it sounds like it's pretty interesting. Kind of like a programming adventure game. :) |
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| 23:24.19 | elg | could be |
| 23:24.32 | elg | ~vex vex |
| 23:25.18 | vex | hi |
| 23:25.52 | levi_home | Hi, vex. |
| 23:26.16 | elg | guess ibot doesn't know your favorite verb |
| 23:27.32 | vex | I don't think I'm the vex you think I am. And I haven't yet taken the time to choose a favorite verb yet. There are so many to choose from, how would one go about choosing a favorite? |
| 23:27.55 | elg | a vexing problem, to be sur |
| 23:28.09 | levi_home | I don't know any vex, so I don't have any preconceptions about who you are. |
| 23:29.06 | elg | levi_home: his favorite targets are people that don't use their real names |
| 23:29.18 | elg | or full names |