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| 00:17.45 | jsmith | herlo: Where you at? |
| 00:18.01 | herlo | jsmith: Detroit, you? |
| 00:18.28 | jsmith | Utah, believe it or not... |
| 00:18.42 | findlay | herlo: you should go to the Detroit Symphony. There one of the best in North America |
| 00:19.14 | herlo | findlay: do you have a website, that actually sounds really fun |
| 00:19.55 | xbmodder_newlapp | Has anyone here watched "A Scanner Darkly?" |
| 00:21.43 | herlo | xbmodder_newlapp: I almost watched that last week in NY, didn't know what it was about though.... |
| 00:21.57 | vontrapp | how would one go about populating a session variable based on the host in the request? (rails) |
| 00:22.14 | herlo | xbmodder_newlapp: so I decided to watch A Prairie Home Companion movie instead, it was good |
| 00:22.19 | vontrapp | e.g. foo.example.com -> @session[:host] is "foo" |
| 00:23.02 | xbmodder_newlapp | I want to watch it just to see the animation |
| 00:23.11 | findlay | herlo: there's a site called slashdot |
| 00:23.50 | herlo | findlay: really, I've never even heard of it, what is that all about exactly? |
| 00:24.01 | findlay | I'm not sure |
| 00:24.16 | herlo | ~smack findlay |
| 00:24.17 | ibot | ACTION smacks findlay upside the head. |
| 00:24.59 | findlay | ~wagner herlo |
| 00:25.04 | herlo | findlay: the website I was referring to was one for the Detroit Symphony, but if you are like "10 second Timmy", I'll understadn |
| 00:25.13 | herlo | s/understadn/understand |
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| 00:35.42 | findlay | aw, make me feel guilty, sure |
| 00:35.56 | findlay | I'm going to find it just out of spite now |
| 00:36.16 | findlay | of course, it takes more effort for me to say all this than to google the page |
| 00:37.02 | findlay | http://www.detroitsymphony.com/ |
| 00:37.04 | findlay | ha |
| 00:37.17 | findlay | check out the second google hit |
| 00:37.42 | findlay | for "Detroit Symphony", that is |
| 00:37.58 | findlay | anyway the DSO r0x0rz!@!! |
| 00:40.12 | findlay | doesn't look like they have any really serious music scheduled for a while |
| 00:41.12 | findlay | you need to go back when the real music is in season |
| 00:50.19 | herlo | findlay: too bad there's nothing til friday night, and I am leaving that evening |
| 00:50.53 | herlo | has anyone here ever done LVM on a usb drive before? I figure it can be done and just wanted opinions before I started.... |
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| 00:53.50 | findlay | herlo: I think you still want a flash-aware filesystem or LVM given the short lifetime of flash memory |
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| 00:54.26 | herlo | findlay, not a usb key drive, but a full 200 GB usb drive... |
| 00:54.55 | findlay | oh, nevermind |
| 00:54.57 | herlo | my plan is to use it for lvm snapshots from my servers |
| 00:55.07 | herlo | and from my laptop on occasion... |
| 00:55.24 | herlo | and possibly to just play around with lvm some... |
| 00:55.56 | findlay | LVM is fun to play with |
| 00:56.48 | herlo | findlay, yes it is. I have done quite a bit with it lately...I even run it on my laptop for my shared space between distros... |
| 00:57.16 | findlay | wow. All I had to do to make yahoo tolerable was to block images from http://*yimg.com/* |
| 00:57.25 | findlay | much nicer |
| 01:02.04 | findlay | herlo: before I thought you were asking for a fun site (: |
| 01:02.16 | herlo | a fun site? |
| 01:02.25 | findlay | yeah |
| 01:02.35 | herlo | like what? |
| 01:02.41 | findlay | slashdot? |
| 01:05.05 | tene | http://digg.com/ http://hackaday.com/ http://osnews.com/ |
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| 01:15.51 | herlo | findlay: you already gave me slashdot, what does that have to do as a fun site. I guess it is, but really, I've been going there for years, what about something new... |
| 01:18.28 | herlo | any suggestions for physical extents on my lvm volume groups? I am thinking that 16M might just work as I will be doing mostly pictures and video.... |
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| 01:21.06 | findlay | herlo: I misunderstood your response to the my DSO comment |
| 01:21.16 | findlay | s/the // |
| 01:21.31 | findlay | s/e//g |
| 01:21.33 | herlo | yeah, I get it...now |
| 01:21.50 | herlo | s/e//g |
| 01:21.56 | findlay | s/o//g |
| 01:21.58 | herlo | :-D |
| 01:22.09 | herlo | s/i//g |
| 01:22.30 | herlo | damn, that should've worked....ah well |
| 01:22.37 | herlo | s/d//g |
| 01:29.00 | tene | s/.//g |
| 01:29.10 | tene | foo |
| 01:29.13 | tene | s/\.//g |
| 01:31.11 | findlay | St. Louis, Boston, Detroit, Nashville, New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Cleveland, Montreal, Philidelphia |
| 01:31.25 | findlay | those are all the cities with way good orchestras |
| 01:50.43 | elg | findlay: hey, you forgot pocatello |
| 01:54.48 | elg | any 64-bit experts? |
| 02:10.00 | elg | oh my |
| 02:10.01 | elg | I don’t recommend gentoo for use on servers due to compile time on updates but for a router/firewall the distro can’t be beat. I’m always impressed by how fast a gentoo box can rotue packets. |
| 02:10.06 | elg | </quote> |
| 02:10.17 | elg | call me crazy, but packet routing never leaves the kernel |
| 02:10.36 | elg | and you don't need gentoo to compile a kernel on your box |
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| 02:22.54 | xbmodder_newlapp | elg, who is that from? |
| 02:28.29 | elg | just some blog |
| 02:30.15 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
| 02:30.44 | nick125_lappy | I rather use gentoo on my server then my firewall |
| 02:30.46 | findlay | elg: heh |
| 02:30.59 | nick125_lappy | gentoo doesn't make much sense on a firewall.. |
| 02:31.12 | nick125_lappy | on a server, it does |
| 02:31.31 | elg | it's some guy that seems easily convinced that he's observed an awesome speed enhancement |
| 02:31.45 | elg | I was looking for arguments for or against a 64-bit distro on an amd64 box |
| 02:32.00 | findlay | why is the IP stack in the kernel anyway? |
| 02:32.02 | elg | needless to say I didn't pay any heed one way or another to what he said |
| 02:32.16 | elg | findlay: networking is a kernel feature |
| 02:32.25 | elg | unless you have a microkernel |
| 02:32.33 | nick125_lappy | I've found that it seems that debian and gentoo do 64-bit well |
| 02:32.51 | nick125_lappy | gentoo supports it "officially", debian, its not as 'official' |
| 02:32.58 | findlay | whatever an IP stack is. I'm sure I'm just repeating technospeak I heard somewhere |
| 02:33.03 | elg | it would be ubuntu on this box |
| 02:33.04 | elg | if I do it |
| 02:44.00 | findlay | OK, here's the useful feature of the day |
| 02:44.22 | findlay | BYU's housing search result table lets you sort by address but not by price |
| 02:44.33 | findlay | how do you sort by address? |
| 02:45.01 | findlay | of course it's a java server |
| 02:45.14 | findlay | <insert lame generalization about java programmers here> |
| 02:46.10 | tene | you asked how you sort by address but didn't answer. |
| 02:46.24 | findlay | because I don't know |
| 02:46.41 | findlay | it looks like it does a plain alphanumeric sort |
| 02:46.57 | findlay | which makes a *lot* of sense with free form data |
| 02:47.05 | tene | oh |
| 02:47.17 | findlay | lol |
| 02:47.18 | tene | asking how in general, not how to ask the housing search to do it |
| 02:47.38 | findlay | I was being mocking, generally |
| 02:47.46 | tene | 'kay |
| 02:52.29 | findlay | at least they let you query the data rather than have a dog ugly humongous static table with no validation whatsoever |
| 02:52.41 | tene | Heh. |
| 02:53.29 | findlay | I've seen that before and it's not pretty |
| 02:53.43 | findlay | or usefull for that matter |
| 02:53.57 | findlay | s/l// |
| 02:54.12 | findlay | I've been reading slashdot too much lately |
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| 03:33.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | Why does LinuxWorld no longer allow minors? |
| 03:35.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it's all PORN and BOOZE |
| 03:35.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 03:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | There are legal reasons you know |
| 03:36.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 03:37.17 | xbmodder_newlapp | they say the reason is LinuxWorld is open to business professionals only. |
| 03:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Well from the look of the website |
| 03:37.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That is the reason |
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| 03:39.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | last year it was pretty loose |
| 03:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> There are legal reasons you know |
| 03:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 03:44.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 03:44.31 | xbmodder_newlapp | insurance is my assumption |
| 04:30.21 | levi_home | Ahh, hans is talking to himself on plug again. |
| 04:30.46 | levi_home | Or maybe he's just repeating himself. |
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| 04:50.34 | maquis | goozbach: ping |
| 04:52.18 | elg | repeating myself? |
| 04:53.48 | elg | ~lart sjansen |
| 04:55.02 | maquis | -lart elg |
| 04:57.18 | levi_home | elg: I got two of your latest plug email. |
| 04:58.12 | levi_home | I should have done this thinking stuff earlier instead of catching up on Voyager episodes. |
| 04:58.19 | levi_home | Now I'm really tired. |
| 04:59.48 | maquis | levi_home: which episodes? |
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| 05:30.24 | tene | anyone ever used 'supervise' or 'svc'? |
| 05:30.38 | tene | I don't know if they're for bsd in general or specific to freebsd. |
| 05:31.27 | nick125_lappy | I find them on my linux box, but, no man pages |
| 05:38.57 | levi_home | maquis: Season 5 disc 2 |
| 05:40.21 | maquis | levi_home: episode title for at least one? |
| 05:42.12 | Supaplex | there has to be a good irc log to html processor I like. any suggestions? So far I've run into simple alpha quality projects that haven't seen any work for the last few years. |
| 05:43.12 | levi_home | maquis: Once Upon a Time, Timeless, Infinite Regress, Nothing Human |
| 05:43.20 | maquis | levi_home: ah |
| 05:43.22 | maquis | ok |
| 05:44.21 | levi_home | Timeless was pretty cool. |
| 05:44.26 | maquis | :) |
| 05:45.50 | tene | Supaplex: regex |
| 05:45.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | Jolly roger |
| 05:46.16 | Supaplex | I was hoping someone already made this wheel :) |
| 05:46.26 | levi_home | Drone was a good one, too. |
| 05:46.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | Are there any good red box utilities for Linux? |
| 05:48.01 | tene | Supaplex: for something that simpleand variable, it's easier to write the regex yourself than to fiddle with the ten million options such a utility would have, I suspect. |
| 05:48.14 | tene | hmm |
| 05:48.48 | tene | although maybe something to parse the various log formats and print some html with sensible structure would be nice |
| 05:49.08 | tene | <ul> or a bunch of divs. |
| 05:49.26 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 06:14.05 | findlay | strace is fun |
| 06:14.09 | findlay | ~strace |
| 06:14.15 | ibot | hmm... strace is a system-calls tracer. spits out a useful trace to stderr. To trace the command 'cmd with params' use: 'strace cmd with params' |
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| 06:24.50 | levi_home | maquis: Have you seen http://www.fiveminute.net/voyager/ |
| 06:24.51 | brac | [Five-Minute Voyager] |
| 06:32.23 | maquis | levi_home: not sure |
| 06:32.43 | maquis | levi_home: cool |
| 06:32.59 | maquis | lol |
| 06:34.47 | maquis | Janeway: Take us out through that hole in the event horizon. |
| 06:34.47 | maquis | Paris: What? That's blatantly impossible! |
| 06:34.48 | maquis | Janeway: Look, we've written ourselves into a corner, so just do as I say, okay? |
| 06:45.39 | levi_home | maquis: Now you're going to be up all night reading them. |
| 06:45.49 | maquis | levi_home: yeah... they're hilarious, though |
| 06:47.23 | maquis | Janeway: We have to go chase after the Kazon. |
| 06:47.23 | maquis | Neelix: Why? All they stole was a small computer component. |
| 06:47.24 | maquis | Janeway: Yeah, but they forgot to take you. |
| 06:55.23 | findlay | so I'm looking for a new apartment. Where should I live? |
| 06:56.05 | Supaplex | somewhere that has electricity |
| 06:56.45 | Supaplex | I despise commuting and moving. Choose wisely if you do the same. :) |
| 06:57.33 | findlay | yes, but my main consideration here is money |
| 06:57.55 | findlay | and bandwidth, of course |
| 06:58.14 | findlay | I mean, you almost don't even have to mention that |
| 06:59.44 | Supaplex | sunset apartments near 7th East and South Temple has fiber/microwave access to the building. (you only need ethernet). I think it's less then $25/mo for that part. |
| 07:00.42 | Supaplex | and public ips to :) |
| 07:00.46 | findlay | if I were going to UU I probably would consider it |
| 07:01.01 | findlay | but SL isn't a utopia city, right? |
| 07:01.50 | Supaplex | I think it is actually. |
| 07:08.01 | levi_home | No, SLC is not. |
| 07:08.41 | levi_home | And now I must sleep. |
| 07:09.06 | findlay | ~sleep levi_home |
| 07:09.08 | ibot | ACTION sends levi_home to bed without supper |
| 07:26.29 | Supaplex | ~lart the wire jungle behind the desk |
| 07:26.47 | maquis | levi_home: in the future, don't send links like this late at night |
| 07:30.34 | xbmodder_newlapp | so out of it |
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| 11:34.04 | dilvie | heh |
| 11:34.28 | dilvie | Yay. I think I've named my chicken competition entry. |
| 11:34.30 | dilvie | Italian Baked Chicken Cordon Bleu With Pasta and Smoked Cheese |
| 11:34.35 | nick125 | lol |
| 11:35.30 | dilvie | I don't know if Italians eat chicken cordon bleu, but the sauce, pasta, and seasonings are certainly common in Italy. =) |
| 12:12.53 | Supaplex | cool |
| 12:13.15 | Supaplex | dilvie: what time you hitting the sack? |
| 12:13.36 | Supaplex | dilvie: ps, check the updates on www.surfthe.us =) |
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| 12:22.04 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 12:24.46 | Supaplex | that'll sting |
| 12:30.07 | goozbach | morning, how I hate thee |
| 12:38.24 | sjansen | ~wake goozbach |
| 12:38.33 | ibot | goozbach: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 12:39.40 | sjansen | goozbach: Morning is a shiny happy time. It is the best part of the day. Morning includes that precious time before anyone has had a chance to expect something of you. |
| 12:40.07 | goozbach | http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,71410-0.html?tw=rss.index |
| 12:40.08 | brac | [Wired News: Video Killed the Video Star] |
| 12:40.27 | sjansen | Mornings are full of possibility. The previous day has been survived. The sun is shining. Breakfast is waiting. |
| 12:40.28 | goozbach | sjansen: you should sign up to be a wired writer |
| 12:40.38 | goozbach | ~shoot sjansen |
| 12:40.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots sjansen in the foot with a cork gun! |
| 12:41.34 | sjansen | When morning ends work begins. And then you've go the long slog through work. When the work day ends, sure you have "free" time, but invariable it takes time to recover from work. Then there's errands to run and things to worry about. |
| 12:41.52 | sjansen | Morning isn't like that. If you don't disturb mornings, they don't disturb you. |
| 12:56.28 | sjansen | ~praise harleypig |
| 12:56.30 | ibot | All hail harleypig! |
| 12:56.33 | sjansen | ~punish emcnabb |
| 12:56.34 | ibot | ACTION forces emcnabb to install and use Windows |
| 12:58.39 | sjansen | ~spray goozbach |
| 12:58.40 | ibot | ACTION takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays goozbach in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah, those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed. |
| 12:58.55 | sjansen | ~spritz goozbach |
| 12:59.09 | sjansen | ~seltzer goozbach |
| 12:59.19 | sjansen | Ah well... *sigh* |
| 13:01.46 | goozbach | gaha!! |
| 13:01.51 | goozbach | pfffftt |
| 13:02.27 | goozbach | why do mornings hate me so then? |
| 13:03.38 | sjansen | goozbach: Isn't it obvious? They're jealous. |
| 13:05.22 | goozbach | of my FRO? |
| 13:05.42 | goozbach | mt dew hasn't let me down however |
| 13:06.02 | goozbach | ~thank god for Mt. Dew |
| 13:06.02 | ibot | no worries, goozbach |
| 13:06.14 | goozbach | mmm, ok |
| 13:06.20 | goozbach | ibot: are you a god? |
| 13:08.33 | goozbach | and reseese with caramel |
| 13:08.37 | goozbach | ohh baby |
| 13:10.01 | sjansen | s/skills/s|<i||Z/ |
| 13:16.08 | goozbach | http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060719.html |
| 13:20.43 | sjansen | Bah, NASA is fake. It's mostly a bunch of graphic artists creating doctored photos so that the govt. can redirect more money to the military without anybody knowing. |
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| 13:22.16 | sjansen | Speaking of which, you might have noticed that a lot of food today includes corn syrup. But do you know why? It's a mind control chemical. The FDA is now controlled by Libertarians bent on world dominion. |
| 13:23.04 | sjansen | Don't believe me? What better way to hide your desire for world dominion than by joining the libertarian party? |
| 13:23.17 | sjansen | That's what I though. Told you so. |
| 13:27.34 | jsmith | I guess I'm just naive... I thought the corn syrup had more to do with shelf life than anything else... |
| 13:30.40 | sjansen | goozbach: Sadly, it looks like the author only knows how to parrot math, not perform it. |
| 13:31.59 | sjansen | 8 - The average age at which a child gets a mobile phone in Britain |
| 13:32.13 | sjansen | What?! |
| 13:36.54 | jsmith | http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/water121003.cfm |
| 13:37.07 | jsmith | That ought to get a reaction to some in here... |
| 13:37.14 | jsmith | s/to some/from some/ |
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| 13:40.51 | sjansen | jsmith: What sort of reaction are you suspected? I'd be surprised if most of the vocal people in this channel didn't already know. |
| 13:43.16 | jsmith | Oh, I'm sure most people have heard stories like this... |
| 14:06.51 | sjansen | ~bottle jsmith |
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| 14:23.55 | redbeard1 | ~dog sjansen |
| 14:23.57 | ibot | ACTION stares at sjansen until sjansen whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 14:27.20 | sjansen | ~pee on redbeard1 |
| 14:27.22 | ibot | ACTION pees on redbeard1 |
| 14:28.05 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 14:28.33 | redbeard1 | so what's this about bottled water? |
| 14:29.04 | elg | argh |
| 14:29.11 | elg | why does this nvidia download keep stalling? |
| 14:29.26 | elg | runs fast for the first 30 seconds, then slows to a crawl |
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| 14:31.18 | redbeard1 | ~mock elg |
| 14:31.19 | ibot | ACTION pulls elg's pants down and shows the world elg's pink spotted underwear |
| 14:31.25 | elg | I can tell the difference between bottled water and tap watert |
| 14:31.32 | elg | bottled water is the stuff that tastes bad |
| 14:31.58 | redbeard1 | for me, it depends on the bottled water. most of it isn't that great |
| 14:32.17 | redbeard1 | i don't think most of it tastes worse than tap water tho |
| 14:32.29 | elg | it depends on the tap |
| 14:32.32 | redbeard1 | also true |
| 14:32.35 | elg | I've had some pretty bad tasting tap water |
| 14:32.48 | elg | but bottled water is consistently metallic tasting |
| 14:32.49 | redbeard1 | when i was in new hampshire, we had our tap water tested regularly |
| 14:33.01 | redbeard1 | it always failed epa regulations |
| 14:33.15 | elg | our tap water here is pretty bad tasting, but run it through brita and it's not bad |
| 14:33.22 | redbeard1 | when they first started testing it, they told us not to use that faucet for at least 12 hours beforehand |
| 14:33.59 | redbeard1 | towards the end, they told us we could use the faucet anytime beforehand if we wanted. i think they were desperate to pass. |
| 14:34.06 | elg | neither tap nor bottled compares even slightly to the well water I had growing up |
| 14:34.45 | redbeard1 | oh man, well water |
| 14:34.47 | redbeard1 | good times |
| 14:35.07 | redbeard1 | i grew up in magna, that was some fun stuff too, but probably not like well water |
| 14:36.05 | elg | fun stuff? |
| 14:36.16 | elg | I meant our well water was awesome. |
| 14:36.18 | elg | tasted great |
| 14:36.25 | redbeard1 | well sure, it was so hard we could play catch with it |
| 14:36.50 | redbeard1 | got stuck in our teeth tho |
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| 14:53.26 | Jayce^ | mm, well water... ours was great growing up.. |
| 14:53.37 | Jayce^ | I didn't know what "hard water" was 'till I went to college |
| 14:58.04 | Jayce^ | ooohhh http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=404 |
| 14:58.06 | Jayce^ | I want one |
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| 15:25.48 | elg | ~rlart |
| 15:26.39 | elg | nice |
| 15:28.58 | levi | I saw the most ridiculous car on the way to work today. |
| 15:29.51 | Jayce^ | was it the silver beetle with red hearts and lips all over it? |
| 15:30.33 | levi | A mid-90s boxy Kia Sephia covered in NOS stickers, with faded factory light silver blue paint and anodized red wiper arms. |
| 15:30.59 | macnewbold | oy |
| 15:31.08 | Jayce^ | eek |
| 15:31.38 | levi | I mean, gigantic NOS windshield header vinyl and one in the rear glass, too. |
| 15:32.25 | Jayce^ | now, was the person just being funny, or did it look like a kid trying to be serious? |
| 15:32.47 | levi | I dunno. It was a young guy. |
| 15:33.01 | levi | He might have been trying to be funny. |
| 15:33.36 | levi | If you're driving a Kia that old, though, better just to fade into traffic. ;) |
| 15:33.36 | elg | levi: /.ers claiming netflix throttles them if they are heavy users. |
| 15:34.09 | levi | elg: Yeah, there have been claims of throttling for a long time. My wife is a pretty heavy user and we haven't seen any. |
| 15:34.29 | levi | elg: Perhaps that's because I never get around to watching mine, so we really only have 2 of the 3 in rapid rotation. |
| 15:34.35 | elg | I doubt we'd qualify as a heavy user, I was just curious |
| 15:35.18 | levi | I don't think it's a big deal anyway. |
| 15:35.22 | elg | my first group shipped monday and was here in tuesday's mail |
| 15:35.29 | elg | they ship out of albuquerque |
| 15:35.40 | elg | looks like blockbuster ships to us out of las vegas |
| 15:35.47 | elg | so that's quite a bit better |
| 15:35.54 | levi | As a moderate user, I'm glad the movie-watching freaks with too much free time get throttled. |
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| 15:37.14 | elg | the whole story was funny |
| 15:37.43 | elg | they presented "netflix users don't watch their movies as fast because of the abundance paradox" like the world would end |
| 15:38.04 | elg | like it's a bad thing that people aren't watching the movies as fast as they possibly can |
| 15:38.23 | levi | Slashdotters are weird. |
| 15:39.01 | levi | They take the whole "It's cool to be geeky!" thing a bit too far. |
| 15:59.28 | sjansen | ibot: I am not!!! |
| 15:59.32 | ibot | it is my pleasure to meet you, not!!! |
| 15:59.32 | sjansen | I never! |
| 15:59.46 | sjansen | Well.. okay, maybe just that once... or twice... |
| 15:59.57 | sjansen | or 3492 times... |
| 15:59.59 | rsimpkins | was that a slam or what? :) |
| 16:01.02 | sjansen | It would hurt more if it didn't come from a bot with the IQ of packing foam. |
| 16:01.32 | sjansen | ~bzfrag rsimpkins |
| 16:01.33 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill rsimpkins, but finds the shield flag |
| 16:01.34 | rsimpkins | k, stupid Linux desktop newb question of the day that for some reason I can't find the answer to and feel embaressed about it enough so please don't rub it in (bruised ego): How do I friggen add programs to the gnome applications menu? |
| 16:01.49 | sjansen | You don't. |
| 16:02.07 | rsimpkins | What an amazingly useful menu then. |
| 16:02.27 | sjansen | The longer answer is that until FC5, there wasn't a nice easy to use tool for modifying the Gnome menu. |
| 16:02.42 | rsimpkins | Okay, so since I am using FC5 - what is the nice easy tool? |
| 16:02.46 | sjansen | There was much weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one actually bothered to do anything about it. |
| 16:03.10 | sjansen | IIRC, alacarte. |
| 16:04.29 | sjansen | http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1183 |
| 16:04.31 | rsimpkins | Alacarte is a menu editor for GNOME that lets you get things done, |
| 16:04.32 | rsimpkins | simply and quickly. |
| 16:04.37 | rsimpkins | Thank you. ;) |
| 16:04.40 | brac | [GnomeFiles - GNOME/GTK+ Software Repository] |
| 16:05.04 | rsimpkins | I guess I am just used to an 'edit this menu' button or context menu. |
| 16:05.22 | sjansen | rsimpkins: By the way, if you ever want the really long answer, I've got that one too. ;-) |
| 16:05.43 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Is it written down so if in the future I need it I can use it? |
| 16:06.00 | sjansen | nope |
| 16:06.19 | rsimpkins | sjansen: OSS is like Math. Sure you can use a calculator, but it helps to understand what the calculator does so you can get the most out of it. |
| 16:06.37 | sjansen | It's in my head. Barring garbage collection, it should stay there. |
| 16:07.00 | rsimpkins | sjansen: Perhaps a blog entry or other such brain dump could help us all? |
| 16:07.11 | sjansen | nah |
| 16:07.30 | sjansen | Actually, now that I think about it, I don't know what alacarte is doing. I just know the old tech. |
| 16:07.43 | sjansen | It's on the Gnome Web site in the developer documentation. |
| 16:08.43 | sjansen | If you aren't willing to read the developer docs, you aren't worthy of editting your menus. ;-) |
| 16:09.26 | rsimpkins | Odd, it is in there some how, but I can't see it. |
| 16:09.39 | rsimpkins | When I add it, all the sudden both entries show up. |
| 16:09.44 | rsimpkins | I've had that issue before with other apps. |
| 16:10.08 | rsimpkins | ~lart gnome app menu |
| 16:10.43 | sjansen | Told you so. |
| 16:11.54 | sjansen | Gnome is the best desktop. Anybody who tells you otherwise is either insane or a liar. But nothing's perfect. |
| 16:16.47 | sjansen | If you want to try editing the menu by hand, you'll need to learn a little about .desktop files. Most of the Gnome menu entries are defined in .desktop files in /use/share/applications/ |
| 16:16.48 | levi | sjansen is crazy. Anybody who tells you otherwise is either insane or a liar. But no one's perfect. |
| 16:17.07 | sjansen | You'll also be interested in /usr/share/desktop* |
| 16:17.38 | RyanE | levi: I think on most days, sjansen would *agree* with that assessment. |
| 16:17.44 | sjansen | Never trust a man who says mean things about C. |
| 16:18.02 | RyanE | which of course, means that he's *not* crazy, because real crazy people don't know they're crazy. |
| 16:18.09 | levi | Heh. On the contrary... never trust anyone who doesn't have mean things to say about C, even if he likes it. |
| 16:18.34 | RyanE | real crazy people think lisp is cool. and the scary part is, they don't know how crazy that is. |
| 16:18.36 | sjansen | mean != honest ... or is it.... |
| 16:19.19 | sjansen | Okay, I guess it is. |
| 16:19.43 | sjansen | I guess you could call some of the things I say about C mean, even though they are true. |
| 16:19.53 | sjansen | Let me revise my statement: |
| 16:19.57 | levi | If you don't have a few mean things to say about C, you don't know it well enough. |
| 16:19.59 | sjansen | Never trust a man that doesn't like C. |
| 16:21.03 | levi | sjansen: Since you like C so much, do you want to help me find a nasty bug that's causing my netfilter tables to have memory alignment problems? |
| 16:21.13 | sjansen | Never trust a man who only knows PHP. |
| 16:21.22 | RyanE | and / or *loves* Java. |
| 16:21.53 | sjansen | Never trust a Perl programmer, they're too good at dealing with hidden information. |
| 16:22.31 | levi | Fixing this bug will probably require delving into kernel code /and/ compiler code. |
| 16:22.51 | sjansen | Never trust anyone with a number of symbol in their nick. |
| 16:23.18 | sjansen | levi: Remember, real men debug with printf. |
| 16:23.25 | sjansen | Or kprintf in your case. |
| 16:23.31 | levi | sjansen: Uh. |
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| 16:23.58 | levi | sjansen: Try printk :) |
| 16:24.39 | levi | I spent all of yesterday tracing this down with printks. |
| 16:25.19 | levi | I don't see anything wrong with the netfilter code, which is probably the case since it's been in the kernel for a while. |
| 16:25.26 | sjansen | Oh, yeah, sorry. Been awhile. |
| 16:25.28 | levi | So, the problem is likely in gcc. |
| 16:25.54 | sjansen | Fun. :-) |
| 16:26.04 | levi | And likely in the architecture-specific section. |
| 16:26.10 | sjansen | Of course. |
| 16:26.12 | levi | Since gcc itself is pretty stable. |
| 16:26.33 | sjansen | You've tried using older/newer versions of gcc? |
| 16:26.36 | levi | This isn't the first problem I've had with the compiler. |
| 16:26.58 | levi | Um, there's only one version of the compiler that's been ported to this architecture. |
| 16:27.04 | sjansen | bummer |
| 16:27.17 | levi | And the port isn't even finished. |
| 16:27.50 | levi | Oh, how I wish we could switch to a Xilinx part with an embedded PPC instead of this nios2 soft-core crap. |
| 16:27.54 | sjansen | So this is probably embedded. |
| 16:28.05 | sjansen | heh |
| 16:28.18 | levi | Of course. |
| 16:28.28 | findlay | levi: which kernel? |
| 16:28.29 | levi | That's what I do these days. |
| 16:28.58 | levi | findlay: It's an early 2.6 kernel. But that's not particularly relevant. |
| 16:29.02 | findlay | is it post 2.6.15? |
| 16:29.33 | findlay | cause the netfilter section got a major overhaul at 2.6.15 |
| 16:29.33 | sjansen | levi, as you suffer, comfort yourself with this knowledge: other developers cry themselves to sleep each night because they don't feel like real men compared to embedded developers. |
| 16:30.00 | levi | The problem is a memory alignment error in a nasty deep-nested structure of the filter tables. |
| 16:30.28 | levi | Which shouldn't be a problem, because the compiler ought to be able to pad things properly to avoid alignment errors. |
| 16:30.34 | findlay | the first step is always to reduce the error to it's simplest form, but I'm sure you know that already |
| 16:30.54 | sjansen | findlay: I seriously doubt there is any real advice we can give levi. |
| 16:31.22 | findlay | levi: the problem is with register 29 |
| 16:31.24 | sjansen | We have only three options: comfort him, tease him, or ignore him. |
| 16:31.34 | sjansen | I choose the first two. |
| 16:32.18 | findlay | levi: are you sure it's not mClibc? |
| 16:32.24 | sjansen | Actually, there is a fourth option: be jealous. |
| 16:32.31 | findlay | s/m/u/ |
| 16:32.40 | levi | findlay: The kernel doesn't use uClibc. |
| 16:32.41 | findlay | \mu |
| 16:32.58 | findlay | no libc at all? |
| 16:32.58 | levi | The problem is all in kernel space. |
| 16:33.14 | sjansen | I don't know how I'd fair doing embedded work long term, but a couple weeks of it would be a nice vacation. |
| 16:33.47 | sjansen | findlay: That's why the kernel doesn't have printf, it has printk instead. |
| 16:34.18 | sjansen | Some of the most basic libc stuff is replicated in kernel specific version, but most of libc isn't available. |
| 16:34.49 | levi | And there's no manpages for the kernel library functions. :P |
| 16:35.05 | sjansen | levi: Is almost certainly right that he's dealing with a compiler bug. He's an experienced developer, working on long tested code, on an obscure platform. |
| 16:35.05 | findlay | I thought Linux needed a libc |
| 16:35.33 | sjansen | Even GCC has bugs, and the kernel is especially good at triggering them. |
| 16:35.52 | sjansen | findlay: Linux _application_ need libc because libc knows how to talk _to_ the kernel. |
| 16:35.54 | findlay | levi: there's a Documentation directory |
| 16:35.57 | findlay | (: |
| 16:36.07 | sjansen | The kernel doesn't need libc to know how to talk to the kernel. |
| 16:36.25 | levi | Sure, there's documentation, but I don't need it right now. I already know printk. :) |
| 16:36.49 | findlay | so the kernel has it's onw mini library. That sounds like a good design descision |
| 16:36.56 | sjansen | (And technically, even programs don't _need_ libc. But skipping libc isn't recommended.) |
| 16:37.17 | levi | Because without libc, C is even less palatable. |
| 16:37.47 | levi | Then it's really like PDP-11 asm. |
| 16:37.47 | findlay | by skipping libc you mean rolling your own library functions and including them in your own source tree? |
| 16:38.12 | levi | findlay: Yup. |
| 16:38.18 | sjansen | I mean manually setting register values and trapping into the kernel. |
| 16:38.29 | findlay | ooh, sounds fun |
| 16:38.53 | sjansen | Each architecture has it's own calling conventions. x86 uses a mixture of register and stack. PPC uses mostly registers (because it has many more). |
| 16:39.37 | findlay | levi: good luck with your bug. Hopefully you can interest a gcc dev or two |
| 16:39.47 | levi | Anyway, I'm going to see if I can replicate this problem in userspace so I don't have to spend a ton of time recompiling the kernel, reflashing the device, etc. |
| 16:40.39 | levi | findlay: This stuff isn't even in the main gcc distribution. It's a crappy port done by a company on contract with Altera. |
| 16:41.04 | findlay | oh |
| 16:41.07 | findlay | sorry |
| 16:41.19 | sjansen | heh |
| 16:41.26 | levi | If it was in the main gcc tree, it would probably work correctly already. |
| 16:41.29 | findlay | now I feel pity |
| 16:41.42 | sjansen | At least you have the source code, so you're not _completely_ depended on them. |
| 16:42.18 | levi | I wanted to do some profiling, but apparently it only works when you use their tools in the cygwin environment they ship them with. |
| 16:42.32 | sjansen | cygwin?!! |
| 16:42.37 | sjansen | That's sick and wrong. |
| 16:42.39 | levi | cygwin+eclipse |
| 16:42.41 | findlay | I'm sure some people would want to not have the source so they can punt the responsibility |
| 16:42.44 | levi | It is sick and wrong. |
| 16:42.59 | findlay | but not levi! |
| 16:43.48 | sjansen | No wonder you hate C so much. |
| 16:44.36 | findlay | levi: what would vorlath do? |
| 16:44.46 | sjansen | I suspect things wouldn't be a great deal better with most other languages. You'd still be programming for an obscure platform with a buggy compiler by a company with bad taste. |
| 16:44.53 | levi | findlay: Write three or so pages of rambling drivel about nothing at all. |
| 16:45.30 | levi | sjansen: No, my hatred of C stems mainly from all the linked list implementations I've had to write and memory corruption problems I've had to debug. |
| 16:46.07 | sjansen | Yeah... I did get tired of that too. |
| 16:46.51 | sjansen | Try to focus on the intellectual challenge. Think of C as a crossword puzzle. Or, if you want to be hip, sudoku. |
| 16:47.16 | sjansen | Sure, it's mostly pointless busywork thinking, but it's challenging pointless busywork thinking. |
| 16:47.17 | levi | I don't cause many memory corruption problems myself anymore, but until recently I had someone else programming with me. |
| 16:47.37 | sjansen | Of course, that's were the fun comes in. |
| 16:47.42 | levi | It's not even very challenging, it's just tedious. |
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| 16:48.05 | sjansen | I used to think C was magical, it just knew the size of my data. |
| 16:48.14 | sjansen | Then I realized my co-workers didn't actually know C. |
| 16:48.45 | sjansen | Then I started discovering fun and unusual designs with interesting (read: buggy) behavior. |
| 16:49.19 | sjansen | *sigh* Yup, them was the days. ;-) |
| 16:49.41 | levi | The only debugging challenge I had recently (aside from memory alignment issues) was when my coworker used global variables in the multithreaded portion of the code. |
| 16:50.56 | levi | I tried to avoid multithreading, but the only kernel interface to the i2c drivers we could use was blocking ioctls. |
| 16:51.12 | levi | And there's no point to having a bunch of i2c controllers if you can't use them simultaneously. |
| 16:53.17 | levi | Anyway, I actually ran into another memory alignment problem recently. The nios2 platform is very sensitive to them. |
| 16:53.56 | levi | The load instructions have undefined behavior if the address you're loading from isn't at the proper offset for the size of data you're reading. |
| 16:56.10 | levi | So I was trying to get this tiny lisp virtual machine called Mosquito to run on the nios2. It's a pretty cool system these security guys are building for penetration testing, and it lets you inject a 'drone' via a stack overflow exploit or something and have a running priveliged lisp system on the target machine with a secure connection to the attacking machine. |
| 16:56.58 | sjansen | I kinda remember you mentioning that. |
| 16:57.09 | levi | Anyway, I could build a drone, which is essentially an executable virtual machine stub with its bytecode payload appended to the end. |
| 16:57.23 | levi | But when I attempted to run it, it would give weird errors and die. |
| 16:57.46 | sjansen | Was this in kernel space? Or as a userspace tool for debugging? |
| 16:58.19 | levi | sjansen: It's in userspace. It's not so much for debugging as it is for attacking vulnerable systems. |
| 16:59.11 | levi | sjansen: The cool thing is that when you take over a system and inject a drone, all the drones stay networked over encrypted connections with the console, so it creates a secure network of compromised machines. |
| 16:59.46 | sjansen | I don't follow. You wanted this to run on your embedded platform because...? Just to blow off steam? |
| 17:00.10 | levi | I wanted a lisp system on it for possible future use, and this one was of suitable size. |
| 17:00.26 | sjansen | Okay, yak shaving. I can understand that. ;-) |
| 17:00.35 | herlo | Interesting thing about Netflix. Funny thing is I am falling into the paradox myself: http://slashdot.org/articles/06/07/18/1654258.shtml |
| 17:01.02 | levi | I'm toying with the idea of reimplementing most of the functionality in a simple interpreted language, which would allow for easy updates and flexible programming. |
| 17:01.43 | levi | The device needs flexibility very badly, and it's fairly flexible in its C incarnation, but some things are still kind of awkward. |
| 17:01.54 | levi | Anyway... back to my debugging story. |
| 17:02.22 | findlay | s/y/ie |
| 17:02.28 | levi | So, when the drone runs, it looks at its own executable file to find the bytecode it's supposed to execute. |
| 17:03.14 | levi | It interprets the stream of bytes by casting portions of it to different data types and then copying the data out. |
| 17:03.42 | levi | This turns out to be a very bad idea on systems that have undefined behavior when data isn't aligned properly. |
| 17:04.07 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:04.32 | sjansen | http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2006/06/05/absurdly-cool-freebie-finder/ |
| 17:05.01 | levi | x86 and PPC don't have that problem, though AFAIK they are less efficient when data is not aligned. |
| 17:05.27 | sjansen | Yes, good alignment can make a _huge_ difference in speed. |
| 17:05.28 | findlay | levi: is Linux natively ported? |
| 17:05.46 | levi | findlay: Natively ported to nios2? No. |
| 17:05.59 | findlay | I mean the vanilla kernel, I guess |
| 17:06.10 | levi | But the kernel port hasn't caused me any problems yet. |
| 17:06.25 | sjansen | My gut reaction is that the mosquito alignment problem shouldn't be such a big deal. There has to be only a handful of places where it's reading data and casting it. |
| 17:07.27 | sjansen | Might be a good test case for your GCC bug. I'm guessing the GCC bug is more complex involving structs and such under specific conditions, but mosquito might get you pointed in the right direction. |
| 17:07.27 | levi | sjansen: Yeah, I think it only happens when it's reading in the bytecode stream. But it was a fatal bug there. |
| 17:07.36 | sjansen | So I take back what I said about yak shaving. |
| 17:08.27 | levi | I fixed it by copying the data out a byte at a time instead of casting it from the odd offset. |
| 17:08.49 | levi | But that won't be possible with the misaligned complex structure in the netfilter tables. |
| 17:11.18 | sjansen | sissy |
| 17:15.42 | findlay | how stingy is comcast with public addresses? |
| 17:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | What do you mean? |
| 17:16.44 | findlay | will they let me have one, or will they try to tell me I'm just a consumer who shouldn't think about having his own place on the interweb? |
| 17:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Comcast gives you one public IP address |
| 17:17.06 | findlay | but is it static? |
| 17:17.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You can buy more from them rather easily |
| 17:17.11 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but uh |
| 17:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I've held mine since last september if not earlier |
| 17:17.33 | findlay | why is it so hard for them to give out static addresses? |
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| 17:17.59 | sjansen | If you don't pay for a corporate account, don't expect to be able to run a server. You might get lucky for awhile, but at some point comcast will just change on a whim. |
| 17:18.15 | findlay | and there's no funky firewall between my 'public' address and the internet? |
| 17:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, ? |
| 17:18.31 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, I might have been running multiple servers on comcast for >4 years |
| 17:18.46 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: but not popular web sites I bet |
| 17:18.55 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, you only have 384kbps up :) |
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| 17:19.09 | findlay | I don't care. That's good enough for me |
| 17:20.33 | findlay | I'm wary of comcast becasuse from my perspective they are an end to end monopoly |
| 17:21.11 | ScytheBlade1 | This is mostly true. I have a friend (in Canada) who was in the process of training to be a tech support rep for them, when it was possible that they'd buy Disney |
| 17:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | His trainer described it as, "You don't mess with a company who arbitrarily decicides on a whim, 'You know, I think I want to buy Disney out.'" |
| 17:21.59 | rsimpkins | Comcast makes it pretty clear their service is consumer only - not high tech, not geeky, not business, not cool. Just consumer. |
| 17:22.05 | findlay | they own the infrastructure and they do the service |
| 17:22.13 | findlay | rsimpkins: that's disgusting |
| 17:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, they offer no support for linux, their ToS says so |
| 17:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | But, when I've needed to, calling their technical support |
| 17:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | They supported it... |
| 17:22.36 | rsimpkins | Yes. You are right. They are all about the typical sheep consumer out there. |
| 17:22.40 | rsimpkins | NOT geeks. |
| 17:22.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Said, "we don't support it, but we'll work with you just the same" |
| 17:22.48 | rsimpkins | They don't really like geeks actually - we make their job harder. |
| 17:23.01 | findlay | what does Linux support mean for an ISP anyway? |
| 17:23.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly, they need their techs who go out into the field to know it |
| 17:23.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Which they don't |
| 17:23.31 | rsimpkins | you have to activate the line in windows, after that you can use Linux just fine... just the activation is windows. |
| 17:23.39 | findlay | what!? |
| 17:23.41 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, again, no ;) |
| 17:23.46 | findlay | um, that is retarded |
| 17:23.47 | rsimpkins | Oh, I thought that was right. |
| 17:23.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The *tech* sure will |
| 17:24.08 | ScytheBlade1 | But you can reduce the install fee and get a "customer install me" kit for like nothing |
| 17:24.22 | rsimpkins | Yeah, but the routes are not right until you activate it. |
| 17:24.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Which can be done by the customer without windows |
| 17:24.38 | findlay | how hard is it really to register a MAC address anyway? |
| 17:24.54 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: I'm not sure how to do that then. Maybe there is a published way? |
| 17:25.17 | rsimpkins | The windows version is a app you download and it does whatever it does to get you on the system. |
| 17:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, it's published in the "customer install me" kit |
| 17:25.27 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:25.28 | macnewbold | I've heard many of them only need a web browser |
| 17:25.28 | sjansen | findlay: If you don't know anything about networking? Pretty hard. |
| 17:25.34 | macnewbold | but still say that they need windows :) |
| 17:25.36 | ScytheBlade1 | The "app" just sets a proxy ;) |
| 17:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing more in terms of actual networking |
| 17:26.08 | findlay | I'm wary to move off of OCT because they run on iProvo, which is *way* more accountable than Comcast |
| 17:26.10 | rsimpkins | Yeah, the point being - don't have the tech install it. :) |
| 17:26.14 | sjansen | When your hiring requirements for an employee are "able to read and speak English", there isn't much wiggle room for scenarios outside of the carefully defined and scripted. |
| 17:26.24 | findlay | ha |
| 17:26.36 | rsimpkins | The tech that did my last comcast install was not a comcast employee at all. |
| 17:26.43 | rsimpkins | They are starting to use 'contractors' |
| 17:26.58 | rsimpkins | I'm guessing they are doing that to escape some of the regulatory issues. |
| 17:27.02 | rsimpkins | And liability. |
| 17:27.04 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:27.38 | findlay | so I move into this apartment, plug in my box and then what? tcadump? |
| 17:27.44 | rsimpkins | The poor guy was from argentina. He makes $10/install weather it takes 15 minutes or an hour. |
| 17:27.45 | findlay | s/a/p |
| 17:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, "live activation" means "register my MAC address" |
| 17:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You could quite likely just call comcast, explain what you're doing, and they'd do it for you |
| 17:28.47 | sjansen | s/weather/whether/ |
| 17:29.04 | rsimpkins | sjansen: yeah, my hands are moving faster than my brain today. |
| 17:29.28 | findlay | all I need to know is the route and broadcast then, I guess |
| 17:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | DHCP. |
| 17:29.47 | sjansen | See my problem is usually the opposite, my brain is moving faster than my hands can keep up, so they're left to spell check on their own. |
| 17:30.06 | sjansen | In that light, it's actually pretty impressive how well my spinal column is able to spell. |
| 17:30.09 | goozbach | and then the fun begins |
| 17:30.25 | rsimpkins | I'm waiting for the caffine to wash over my brain a bit more. |
| 17:30.26 | sjansen | goozbach: I'll show you fun. |
| 17:30.34 | goozbach | see the problem with me is that my brain and hands don't communicate |
| 17:30.36 | sjansen | ~bzfrag goozbach |
| 17:30.37 | ibot | ACTION blindsides goozbach with an invisible bullet |
| 17:30.48 | Jayce^ | goozbach, it's not limited to your hands.. |
| 17:31.08 | goozbach | yeah, my brain is pretty much off in it's own little world |
| 17:31.21 | goozbach | there is a high-latency connection somewhere |
| 17:31.37 | Jayce^ | you unplugged it |
| 17:31.48 | goozbach | cause I do have a couple of instances of "probally shouldn't have done that" |
| 17:32.30 | Jayce^ | goozbach, like the "I can sneak up on Jayce^, he'll never see me coming...." :) |
| 17:33.30 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
| 17:33.55 | goozbach | Jayce^: I blame the branch |
| 17:34.01 | goozbach | or twig |
| 17:34.18 | rsimpkins | findlay: When do you move in? |
| 17:34.24 | goozbach | ok and the fact that I got flanked |
| 17:34.34 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:34.42 | findlay | rsimpkins: next month, but I'm not sure I'll go to this particular complex |
| 17:35.06 | Jayce^ | goozbach, so our team took second in both the UXPL, and opfor's indoor tourney last week |
| 17:35.26 | rsimpkins | findlay: For DSL I've heard good things about http://www.csolutions.net/ |
| 17:35.27 | brac | [CSolutions Internet | Utah's Internet Service Provider since 1995] |
| 17:47.01 | maquis | goozbach: i'm really curious about this issue that i've /msg'd you about.... |
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| 17:51.31 | levi | findlay: comcastoffers.com has better deals than Comcast will give you directly, if you decide to go with them. |
| 17:52.07 | findlay | levi: this place provides net access gratis |
| 17:52.19 | levi | Ahh. |
| 17:54.15 | goozbach | ~seen fozz |
| 17:54.21 | ibot | fozz <n=fozz@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 19d 23h 8m 19s ago, saying: 'thank you'. |
| 17:54.21 | goozbach | ~seen fozzmoo |
| 17:54.24 | ibot | fozzmoo <n=fozz@65.89.234.66> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 32d 20h 54m 23s ago, saying: 'We do the same thing. It's awful.'. |
| 17:54.35 | goozbach | hmm |
| 17:54.45 | elg | http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/48474 |
| 17:55.00 | goozbach | anyone got fozz up on IM? |
| 17:55.16 | goozbach | tell him to /msg me via IRC when he gets a second |
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| 17:59.49 | sjansen | perl perl perl |
| 18:00.40 | goozbach | woah |
| 18:01.21 | goozbach | forgot about the perl chant |
| 18:02.54 | goozbach | lerp lerp lerp |
| 18:03.15 | goozbach | hmm that doesn't seem to work... |
| 18:03.36 | goozbach | perhaps it has to be the one who invoked him |
| 18:03.38 | goozbach | hmm |
| 18:04.03 | maquis | -lart plug |
| 18:04.08 | mrpull | what is the best wrt54gl firmware of the moment... nocatauth is a requirement |
| 18:04.12 | mrpull | ewrt is giving me fits |
| 18:06.31 | levi | Man, these iptables structures are a total mess. :/ |
| 18:06.40 | fozzmoo | levi: maybe you should use PERL! |
| 18:06.49 | fozzmoo | Oh glorious, oh wonderful... PERL! |
| 18:09.16 | levi | fozzmoo: ... |
| 18:09.50 | levi | I'm using C, because this is Linux kernel code. |
| 18:10.48 | sjansen | Well there's your solution. Embed perl in the kernel. |
| 18:10.59 | goozbach | any guesses as to how big an ENTIRE Fedora Core mirror will end up being? |
| 18:11.32 | fozzmoo | extras too? |
| 18:11.43 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Are you aware XMission runs a FC mirror? |
| 18:11.59 | goozbach | fozzmoo: yes |
| 18:12.04 | goozbach | and yes |
| 18:12.25 | xbmodder_newlapp | Does xmissions have NNTP servers? |
| 18:12.26 | goozbach | xmission's mirror isn't on the Florida DOH network however |
| 18:12.28 | xbmodder_newlapp | (cluster) |
| 18:12.34 | xbmodder_newlapp | Like unlimited service? |
| 18:12.42 | sjansen | I'm going to bet upwards of 30-50 Gig |
| 18:12.52 | goozbach | sjansen: keep going |
| 18:12.57 | sjansen | heh, not bad |
| 18:12.59 | goozbach | all 6 architectures |
| 18:13.01 | xbmodder_newlapp | :-( |
| 18:13.02 | sjansen | more thn 100G |
| 18:13.04 | goozbach | yup |
| 18:13.07 | goozbach | keep going |
| 18:13.10 | sjansen | oh, well then |
| 18:13.32 | goozbach | I'm at 379G and I'm just getting into updates |
| 18:13.41 | sjansen | 6 * a bunch of CDs * an insane number of updates + a whole bunch of extras ~= 250G ? |
| 18:14.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | and what percentage of alt.bin.*/alt.binaries.* |
| 18:14.08 | fozzmoo | xbmodder_newlapp: Does XM have NNTP servers?! DOES XM HAVE NNTP SERVERS?!?! |
| 18:14.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | fozzmoo, I don't know |
| 18:14.26 | goozbach | I started the rsync on friday morning, and it's still going right now |
| 18:14.54 | fozzmoo | xbmodder_newlapp: They carry everything. |
| 18:14.57 | xbmodder_newlapp | goozbach, how big was the repo |
| 18:15.01 | sjansen | ~larp |
| 18:15.02 | ibot | Live Action Role Playing |
| 18:15.02 | fozzmoo | But... |
| 18:15.11 | sjansen | larp larp larp |
| 18:15.15 | fozzmoo | you have to pay to get access to binaries.xmission.com |
| 18:15.22 | fozzmoo | I can't remember the pricing structure or policy. |
| 18:15.35 | fozzmoo | But it's an extra fee. Based on bandwidth use, I think. |
| 18:15.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | fozzmoo, :-( |
| 18:16.00 | xbmodder_newlapp | Thats sad |
| 18:16.59 | fozzmoo | no, it's life. |
| 18:17.18 | fozzmoo | alt.binaries.* users are greedy bandwidth hogs. |
| 18:17.21 | fozzmoo | XM is a business. |
| 18:17.33 | fozzmoo | But, you get what you pay for. |
| 18:18.22 | findlay | heh. alt.binaries |
| 18:18.24 | findlay | who needs them |
| 18:18.38 | findlay | I always do everything from source |
| 18:18.57 | fozzmoo | binaries.xmission.com This binary newsgroups service is much more complete and reliable than what we were able to provide with our in-house news server. To access it, purchase at least one $2 "unit" and then point your news reader to binaries.xmission.com. |
| 18:19.01 | findlay | which means I render the music I listen to |
| 18:19.15 | fozzmoo | Yeah- and I render all the pr0n I watch. :) |
| 18:19.28 | findlay | pr0n is stupid |
| 18:19.40 | fozzmoo | So is eating. |
| 18:19.45 | fozzmoo | Oh wait, no it's not. |
| 18:19.53 | fozzmoo | You're right, pr0n is stupid. |
| 18:22.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | well not only pr0n, but they have all sorts of fun stuff |
| 18:22.10 | xbmodder_newlapp | movies |
| 18:22.32 | xbmodder_newlapp | I mean if you buy/rent a movie, you should be able to watch it on your linux system |
| 18:22.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | easily |
| 18:22.46 | fozzmoo | I agree. |
| 18:22.51 | fozzmoo | Well, it's easy for me. :) |
| 18:24.25 | fozzmoo | yum -y install xine |
| 18:24.53 | fozzmoo | Not easy for non-geek. |
| 18:26.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | mhmm, until recently I didn't have a linux system with a DVD drive |
| 18:26.50 | xbmodder_newlapp | and also shows that I tivo HMO, I should be able to watch on the go |
| 18:34.35 | mrpull | Ok... a note for the wise... use root to ssh to ewrt not admin as noted in the docs :-/ |
| 18:45.51 | maquis | yipes!!!! thedailywtf for today is scary! |
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| 18:49.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | The tool |
| 18:49.28 | findlay | ~scare maquis |
| 18:49.33 | ibot | ACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at maquis |
| 18:53.40 | findlay | ~lart ldap |
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| 19:16.46 | redbeard1 | chicken liver bacon rollups! yup! |
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| 19:25.53 | levi | Gah. __alignof__(struct ipt_entry) is returning 8, yet the compiler is aligning at 4. |
| 19:32.31 | jsmith | Rule number 39: Never expect the compiler to do the right thing. |
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| 20:18.49 | herlo | tonight we are having a party over at #utos. It'll be great, lots of Ice Cream and sexy women and the like. Come along, 6pm #utos on irc.freenode.net |
| 20:18.59 | herlo | all times are MDT |
| 20:20.42 | tene | Sales people are kind of strange. |
| 20:21.12 | herlo | okay, really its just a meeting, but you are welcome to come over and participate. We will be planning the UTOS Conference next year... |
| 20:21.25 | levi | What's #utos? |
| 20:22.02 | herlo | levi: http://www.utos.org |
| 20:23.50 | levi | Interesting. |
| 20:24.08 | herlo | levi: you interested? |
| 20:24.14 | herlo | levi: or is it just interesting? |
| 20:24.26 | levi | Well, somewhat interested. |
| 20:24.53 | herlo | okay, cool. Well, if you have time come on by and lurk if you like |
| 20:25.13 | redbeard1 | Lamont = PeregrineFalcon? |
| 20:25.24 | redbeard1 | i didn't know that |
| 20:25.24 | herlo | redbeard1: yes true |
| 20:25.55 | redbeard1 | herlo: i already knew who you were, but not PeregrineFalcon |
| 20:26.15 | herlo | redbeard1: yeah, I know, just clarifying |
| 20:26.35 | redbeard1 | good to know |
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| 21:15.15 | sjansen | levi: Looks like you're making progress on that gcc bug. |
| 21:17.59 | levi | sjansen: Well, I found that whoever had ported it released a new version, and someone else in my unenviable situation already built a binary toolchain, so I've downloaded it and found that it doesn't have the bug. |
| 21:21.21 | levi | Though, now it seems to have the same bad behavior as it did before. |
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| 21:32.46 | levi | Hmm, actually, it seems to be working. |
| 21:36.10 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | our company just approved industry training for all of us |
| 21:36.35 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | we're being asked to recommend good conferences/workshops for our teams |
| 21:36.59 | jsmith-away | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: AstriCon! |
| 21:37.14 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | jsmith-away: in my case it has to be frontside/customer-facing related |
| 21:37.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | aka AJAX, table-less html, etc |
| 21:37.40 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | with a Perl backend |
| 21:37.56 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | jsmith: that would apply to our infrastructure team though |
| 21:38.19 | jsmith | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: Well, more than anything it was just a shameless plug ;-) |
| 21:38.43 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh - pretty shameless indeed ;-) |
| 21:40.55 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | lol - my wife thinks I look like Ned Flanders with my new mustache |
| 21:41.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yes-in-deedelee doo |
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| 21:57.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Looks like I'll probably have a better chance at O'Reilly's Web 2.0 conf |
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| 22:12.20 | harleypig | Can you see me? |
| 22:12.24 | harleypig | Can you feel me? |
| 22:12.31 | harleypig | Can you touch me? |
| 22:14.10 | xbmodder_newlapp | no |
| 22:14.19 | xbmodder_newlapp | negative sir! |
| 22:14.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | that wasn't very nice. |
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| 22:16.46 | jakea | I think I've already said enough today |
| 22:16.47 | elg | wow, this usb xbox adapter supports OS X 10.6 |
| 22:16.53 | elg | jakea: howdy |
| 22:17.08 | elg | talk to me. talk doctor |
| 22:17.40 | jakea | great second season, first was better, but it was nifty |
| 22:17.52 | jakea | *fantastic* |
| 22:18.00 | elg | yeah, my thoughts too |
| 22:18.22 | jakea | now to wait until October |
| 22:18.36 | elg | tennant had some off moments (could have been writing though), but he's in the groove for sure |
| 22:18.40 | elg | what's in oct? |
| 22:18.44 | jakea | BSG!! |
| 22:18.54 | elg | ah. |
| 22:19.06 | elg | I gave up on bsg |
| 22:19.17 | jakea | and tennant didn't quit at the end of the season, so that's good |
| 22:19.25 | elg | yeah, that's a plus. :) |
| 22:19.34 | elg | although piper did. always someone quitting |
| 22:19.40 | elg | good to see mickey back |
| 22:19.42 | elg | and pete |
| 22:19.50 | elg | always liked those two |
| 22:19.55 | jakea | well, companions come and go in this show |
| 22:20.03 | elg | so do doctors. :) |
| 22:20.08 | elg | but not as much as companions |
| 22:20.10 | jakea | ya, something told me mickey would be back |
| 22:20.11 | jakea | right |
| 22:20.31 | elg | maybe someday I'll wake up in an alternate universe with 3 or 4 seasons of eccleston doctor |
| 22:20.41 | jakea | ha ha |
| 22:20.58 | jakea | like I said before, in the office, he's called "The Quitter" |
| 22:21.05 | elg | I was amazed from episode one at how good he is. how enjoyable to watch |
| 22:21.15 | elg | how quirky and yet comfortable |
| 22:21.21 | jakea | ya |
| 22:21.36 | elg | how almost entirely unlike the doctor, and yet perfectly the doctor |
| 22:21.43 | jakea | no kidding |
| 22:21.50 | jakea | black leather jacket!?!? |
| 22:21.51 | levi | elg: What show are you talking about? |
| 22:22.02 | elg | it was so strange, but I knew it when he said "Hello, I'm the doctor. Run for your life!" |
| 22:22.10 | elg | doctor who |
| 22:22.19 | levi | Ahh. |
| 22:22.54 | jakea | I want to have a grassy hill in the back yard of a future home one day, and put a police box on it |
| 22:23.09 | elg | that would be awesome :) |
| 22:23.25 | elg | jakea: talked to Art recently? |
| 22:23.41 | jakea | I have not talked to Art in a couple of years |
| 22:23.53 | elg | he dropped off the face of the earth, I think |
| 22:24.17 | jakea | I sold him my 200MHz computer for 10 bucks and have not seen him after that |
| 22:24.31 | elg | maybe he's still recompiling his kernel |
| 22:24.35 | jakea | maybe |
| 22:24.41 | jakea | installing Gentoo on it |
| 22:24.49 | elg | haha |
| 22:24.57 | elg | those ricers... |
| 22:25.20 | jakea | I need to run across campus.... bbl |
| 22:27.54 | elg | i fell prey to marketing yesterday and bought me a fisher space pen. but not just any fisher space pen, a "stowaway" |
| 22:28.42 | elg | It's itsy. I was looking for something to replace my pilot g-2 mini which never really worked for my hipster pda anyway (hard time writing through fingerprints), and this little thing seemed perfect, even though it was $8 |
| 22:30.09 | levi | How's it work? |
| 22:30.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | jakea, see ya! |
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| 22:35.17 | harleypig | anyone willing to give a tutorial in gnucash to plug? |
| 22:35.24 | harleypig | like, in the next few months? |
| 22:35.30 | harleypig | I could really use some pointers. |
| 22:36.10 | xbmodder_newlapp | gnucash2? |
| 22:36.14 | xbmodder_newlapp | or gnucash1 |
| 22:36.23 | harleypig | yeah, though I don't see a whole lot of difference yet |
| 22:36.26 | harleypig | err ... 2 |
| 22:37.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | ah. |
| 22:38.55 | elg | levi: so far so good. but then I misplaced my hipster so I haven't had a chance to try it there yet :) |
| 22:39.22 | elg | harleypig: there's not a whole lot of difference |
| 22:39.32 | levi | elg: How's the hipster pda work for you? I almost printed one out, but I never got around to it. |
| 22:39.34 | elg | it's the same unusable interface under a prettier layer |
| 22:39.35 | harleypig | The splash screen definitely looks cooler. |
| 22:39.43 | elg | levi: it works great, but don't bother printing anything |
| 22:40.00 | elg | The one printed page that I used a lot was The Matrix, which I used to keep track of billing hours |
| 22:40.14 | levi | Do you just write on blank cards, then? |
| 22:40.33 | elg | I thought I'd be annoyed by the little black paperclip thing so I had all these plans to make a wallet or put them on a ring or something |
| 22:40.40 | elg | but in the end the black paperclip thing is good enough |
| 22:40.47 | elg | yeah, just write on blank cards |
| 22:41.03 | elg | but I'm not uberorganized. If you're an uberorganizer you might want to print them out |
| 22:41.15 | elg | I tend to think I am but then end up not being, so I did print them out. :) |
| 22:41.35 | elg | but mostly the printed ones got in the way |
| 22:42.58 | levi | I keep wanting to get organized, but I am really not very organized either. |
| 22:43.38 | mrpull | elg: are you a GTD guy? |
| 22:43.51 | elg | get some index cards and a paperclip. start writing things on your index cards, voila |
| 22:43.55 | elg | :) |
| 22:43.56 | harleypig | One thing I've found si that when I try to get organized I try to do *everything*. That just gets discouraging. |
| 22:44.09 | elg | mrpull: no. I read a bit about it and took a few choice ideas away |
| 22:44.17 | elg | but mostly it's more uberorganized speak |
| 22:44.17 | harleypig | Try picking *one* thing to get organized about and work on it for weeks or months, till its second nature. |
| 22:44.37 | elg | I've been down the uberorganized path. it's just another form of yak shaving |
| 22:44.49 | elg | some people with lots of little tasks and lots of meetings need to be really organized |
| 22:44.59 | mrpull | there are two or three key things that I liked about GTD... don't make getting organized get in the way of doing work ... and |
| 22:45.05 | elg | some people like me just need to stop shaving yaks and work on the three things I already know I have to do |
| 22:45.17 | mrpull | the do it, delegate it, or delay it thinking |
| 22:45.42 | elg | the big thing I didn't like about GTD was the break things up into 15 minute tasks bit |
| 22:45.49 | mrpull | "multitasking" can kill every bit of my productivity |
| 22:45.50 | elg | that works great for a lot of things |
| 22:46.01 | elg | but for a lot of things it doesn't |
| 22:46.30 | elg | for programming for example, while you may write a function in 15 minutes, you really have to be sitting down and doing one thing for a few hours to be as productive as you need to be |
| 22:47.01 | mrpull | i don't recall the 15-minute tasks being in the official GTD... maybe it was somebody else's embelishment? |
| 22:47.13 | elg | could be. I just read stuff on the web |
| 22:47.36 | levi | I have the book, but I don't recall if there's any specific requirement for 15 minute tasks. |
| 22:47.48 | elg | could be a related system |
| 22:48.11 | levi | The key IIRC was to write down only directly actionable tasks. |
| 22:48.25 | harleypig | elg: The one I read about suggested the 15 m inute method for wehn you have a lot of tasks that can be completed in a short period of time |
| 22:49.07 | elg | the one I'm thinking of recommended you break things down into those actionable tasks, and keep breaking until you got down to that where you could sit down and do them |
| 22:49.14 | harleypig | someone commented on that and said you could use the 15 minute method for longer tasks, you just made a tick mark or something so you were aware of the time. |
| 22:49.18 | harleypig | obviously not a programmer. |
| 22:49.33 | elg | which I suppose applies, if you are flexible and a three-hour programming session counts as an actionable item> :) |
| 22:50.11 | elg | my biggest problem these days is finding zone time |
| 22:50.17 | elg | i'm always just about to do something else |
| 22:51.05 | levi | zone time? |
| 22:51.18 | elg | "in the zone" |
| 22:51.36 | elg | you know, when you're working on something and you forget even about irc |
| 22:51.37 | levi | Ahh, yeah. |
| 22:51.52 | levi | I can't do anything at home these days. |
| 22:52.01 | levi | Well, aside from a few hours of homework. |
| 22:52.06 | mrpull | two things have essentially killed all of my "zone time".... kids and participating in management |
| 22:53.20 | elg | is there a flag to make to tell it to make everything anyway? |
| 22:53.40 | levi | I can zone at work if I can get something started, but at home my wife and daughter are very distracting. |
| 22:54.04 | elg | i can zone out just about anywhere, if I can get started |
| 22:54.17 | elg | but it rarely gets that far at home :) |
| 22:54.24 | levi | Yeah. |
| 22:54.31 | elg | and often doesn't at work or school too |
| 22:54.37 | elg | esp. in the summer for some reason |
| 22:54.47 | elg | summer is my doldrum time |
| 22:57.46 | elg | sigh. why does named keep going ballistic |
| 22:58.08 | elg | and why hasn't someone (besides djb) written a replacement? |
| 22:58.50 | maquis | redbeard1: ping? |
| 22:59.15 | elg | maquis: pong? |
| 22:59.40 | maquis | i'm trying to remember what the correct way was |
| 23:00.57 | maquis | er |
| 23:00.58 | maquis | not mashed |
| 23:00.59 | maquis | baked |
| 23:01.04 | maquis | hmmm |
| 23:01.07 | maquis | looks like google found it |
| 23:01.57 | mrpull | maquis: ever do the few minutes in the microwave, few minutes wrapped in tinfoil baked potato? |
| 23:02.07 | maquis | mrpull: no... i haven't |
| 23:02.25 | mrpull | i don't recall the real duration... it is my wife's trick... but the whole process is ~10 minutes |
| 23:05.43 | tene | http://snacksby.com/ |
| 23:08.55 | maquis | hmmm... clicked a link and got "Application error (Rails) |
| 23:08.59 | maquis | " |
| 23:09.07 | tene | That's... nifty. |
| 23:09.17 | rsimpkins | The best results for baked potatos I think are baked, not zapped. |
| 23:09.30 | rsimpkins | But it takes so long. |
| 23:09.36 | macnewbold | yeah, no kidding |
| 23:10.20 | rsimpkins | I think the old way was to throw some potatos on the wood stove while it cooled down over hours, and you have a nice warm treat to eat. |
| 23:10.21 | jsmith | The secret is to zap them to get them started, then finish by baking so they taste right... |
| 23:10.29 | rsimpkins | At least that's what I would like to think the old way was. |
| 23:10.31 | jsmith | ... and then they don't take as long to bake. |
| 23:10.32 | macnewbold | yeah, that's probably true |
| 23:10.51 | macnewbold | mmmm |
| 23:11.03 | macnewbold | baked sweet potato, with butter, cinnamon, and sugar... |
| 23:11.18 | macnewbold | healthy and delicious |
| 23:11.23 | rsimpkins | I'm still a fan of real mashed though. Bolied potatos for about an hour, then whipped with real butter. |
| 23:12.08 | *** join/#utah herlo (n=herlo@207.148.217.117) |
| 23:12.55 | tensai | mashed yes, whipped no. they gotta be lumpy. |
| 23:14.03 | rsimpkins | I didn't know that you could subsist on a diet of mashed potatos alone. |
| 23:14.07 | rsimpkins | That's kind neat. |
| 23:14.51 | rsimpkins | I mean, you can just live (apparently without getting sick) just eating potatos. |
| 23:19.10 | jsmith | Worked for the Irish, until the potato famine... |
| 23:20.00 | rsimpkins | In 1840? |
| 23:20.39 | rsimpkins | I can't imagine eating just potatos every day, for every meal. |
| 23:21.00 | rsimpkins | With some cabbage if your were lucky, and once a year some cornned beef or whatever. |
| 23:23.02 | herlo | jsmith: bubbles and squeak? you are a crazy man! |
| 23:23.26 | jsmith | herlo: Nope... |
| 23:23.51 | herlo | vontrapp: home movies are good for nostalgia |
| 23:23.56 | herlo | jsmith: yep |
| 23:24.39 | jsmith | herlo: Bubbles and squeak, neeps and tatties, and some haggis... topped off with some sticky toffee pudding... |
| 23:24.48 | jsmith | herlo: Now that's what I'm hungry for. |
| 23:24.50 | vontrapp | well, i was referring to the cartoon, but that can be nostalgic, too, i guess |
| 23:25.09 | herlo | vontrapp: oh, never seen "home movies" that way before |
| 23:25.30 | herlo | jsmith: Irish food is to be kept where it originated, away from me! |
| 23:25.36 | vontrapp | mmm, sticky toffee pudding sounds good |
| 23:25.43 | herlo | with the occasional exception of Irish beer |
| 23:25.45 | jsmith | vontrapp: It is... |
| 23:26.04 | jsmith | herlo: Well, the haggis and neeps and tatties are Scottish, but close enough... |
| 23:26.05 | rsimpkins | I enjoy just straight boiled cabbage with butter and pepper from time to time. |
| 23:26.10 | herlo | yeah, yeah |
| 23:26.23 | vontrapp | and corned beef |
| 23:26.31 | jsmith | vontrapp: Yeah, gotta have the corned beef |
| 23:27.12 | herlo | bug haggis, really? You can smell it from 30 miles away |
| 23:27.30 | jsmith | herlo: Not if it's made right... |
| 23:27.35 | vontrapp | what is it? |
| 23:27.36 | rsimpkins | It's better than bat guano. |
| 23:27.40 | vontrapp | poo meat? |
| 23:27.46 | herlo | jsmith: rsimpkins is probably right |
| 23:27.55 | herlo | but I am not so sure |
| 23:27.58 | jsmith | vontrapp: Ground up sheep parts, stuffed in a sheeps stomach and boiled. |
| 23:28.09 | vontrapp | that doesn't sound so bad |
| 23:28.11 | jsmith | herlo: Yeah, rsimpkins probably is right. |
| 23:28.21 | vontrapp | better than chicken intestines, i'm sure |
| 23:28.27 | rsimpkins | We only use the finest sheep parts in our haggis. |
| 23:28.38 | jsmith | vontrapp: It's not bad at all. It's kind of like meatloaf, only less cohesive. |
| 23:28.48 | jsmith | vontrapp: It's got barley in there too |
| 23:29.01 | vontrapp | so fally apart meatloaf in a bouncy package |
| 23:29.10 | vontrapp | mmmm |
| 23:29.15 | jsmith | vontrapp: Yeah, but they usually don't serve it in the stomach |
| 23:30.25 | herlo | oh yeah, it was to ask jsmith if he cared to join us in #utos at 6pm MDT tonight...that's what it was |
| 23:31.06 | jsmith | herlo: Wish I could, but I doubt I can... I've gotta start packing |
| 23:31.53 | jsmith | Two weeks until the big move... |
| 23:32.39 | rsimpkins | jsmith: big move? |
| 23:34.47 | tensai | jsmith: yeah, to where? |
| 23:34.48 | jsmith | rsimpkins: I'm moving to Virginia |
| 23:35.06 | tensai | grr |
| 23:35.08 | tensai | ~lart Union Telephone |
| 23:35.17 | jsmith | tensai: I'm with you there... |
| 23:35.27 | jsmith | tensai: Stab them once for me... |
| 23:35.36 | tensai | first off, they have two power outages in two days |
| 23:35.50 | tensai | when I call to help them get their server up, the operator hangs up on me |
| 23:35.55 | tensai | of all the nerve |
| 23:36.11 | jsmith | tensai: No, it's probably that they're running Call Mangler, and that the server croaked... |
| 23:37.18 | herlo | jsmith: how's the house in VA anyway? |
| 23:37.39 | rsimpkins | jsmith: What is in Virginia besides verginians? |
| 23:37.57 | jsmith | herlo: Still caught up in red tape trying to get a building permit... |
| 23:38.06 | herlo | jsmith: that sucks |
| 23:38.10 | herlo | jsmith: sorry to hear that man |
| 23:38.23 | jsmith | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: Your house in VA still for sale? |
| 23:38.23 | elg | jsmith: virginia? why? |
| 23:38.30 | tensai | jsmith: wait. how am I supposed to hire you to help me deploy asterisk if you're way over there? |
| 23:38.38 | jsmith | tensai: I can fly ;-) |
| 23:38.50 | jsmith | tensai: I can do remote work too ;-) |
| 23:39.17 | jsmith | elg: It's a long story, but my wife and I have always wanted to move back to the ancestral family farm out there. Now we have the chance... |
| 23:39.49 | jsmith | elg: It doesn't hurt that they're basically giving us the land to build on for free |
| 23:39.58 | elg | yeah, that's a pretty good reason. :) |
| 23:40.09 | elg | what part? my bro is there on a mission |
| 23:40.25 | jsmith | elg: Stafford County... between D.C. and Richmond. |
| 23:40.28 | tensai | jsmith: can you swing that for my ancenstral land? it's in a place called Manhatten, New York. |
| 23:40.42 | rsimpkins | Virginia. Lots of military people there. Will your new house have a secret underground tunnel that connects to Earth Control? |
| 23:40.43 | jsmith | tensai: Well, I'm guessing your family doesn't still own the ancestral homeland. |
| 23:40.45 | elg | it's the richmod mission. think it covers most of va, but i really don't know |
| 23:40.54 | tensai | Jesse was in Richmond |
| 23:40.59 | elg | i don't even really know what city he's in now, except that I can't pronounce it |
| 23:41.02 | jsmith | rsimpkins: No, just an underground tunnel to Quantico |
| 23:41.19 | tensai | jsmith: unfortunately not |
| 23:41.19 | jsmith | elg: Yeah, that sounds right... |
| 23:41.43 | jsmith | elg: Let me know if he ever gets around Fredericksburg |
| 23:42.03 | rsimpkins | jsmith: Yeah, you can get to Earth Control from there. Please don't stear the planet into any asteroids please. And use the blinkers when you turn! |
| 23:42.29 | elg | has he lived in utah his whole life? |
| 23:43.01 | elg | nobody gives directions here when they say their business/house is on Solano or Madrid or somehting |
| 23:43.33 | jsmith | Exactly... you say "I live on Poplar Road" and expect everyone to either know where it is, or find out. |
| 23:45.13 | tensai | jsmith: recommendations on sip hard phones? |
| 23:45.24 | elg | tensai: titanium |
| 23:45.26 | elg | it's the hardest |
| 23:46.10 | jsmith | tensai: Linksys SPA-942 (nice), Cisco 7960 (expensive), or Polycom IP-601 (ugly) |
| 23:46.23 | elg | jsmith: yup. if they ask for directions, you say "go up idaho and turn right on solano, then left on poplar" |
| 23:46.47 | elg | jsmith: have you had echo problems with the 942? |
| 23:46.58 | jsmith | elg: Exactly... still wish I could remember where that good Japanese place in Las Cruzes is... |
| 23:47.01 | jsmith | elg: Nope. |
| 23:47.10 | elg | there's a couple right by the uni |
| 23:47.18 | elg | japanese places that is |
| 23:47.25 | jsmith | elg: What are their names? |
| 23:47.28 | elg | and even more chinese places |
| 23:47.39 | elg | but there's only one good chinese place I've seen so far |
| 23:47.48 | elg | i don't remember |
| 23:48.20 | jsmith | Anyway, one of the Japanese restaurants in Las Cruzes is really good |
| 23:48.23 | elg | matsuharu, yamato |
| 23:48.30 | jsmith | Thought you'd like that little piece of trivia |
| 23:48.35 | jsmith | yamato! |
| 23:48.39 | jsmith | That's the one. |
| 23:48.53 | jsmith | I kept wanting to say Yamamoto, but I knew that wasn't right. |
| 23:49.01 | elg | oh, yamato is in el paso |
| 23:49.02 | elg | sorry |
| 23:49.16 | jsmith | What?!? |
| 23:49.27 | jsmith | Maybe they used to be in Las Cruzes, and then moved?!? |
| 23:49.36 | elg | maybe |
| 23:49.49 | elg | teriyaki chicken house |
| 23:50.05 | jsmith | Anyway, the sushi was very good, and the prices were very reasonable |
| 23:50.24 | jsmith | And the service was fantastic |
| 23:50.33 | elg | tatsu |
| 23:50.44 | elg | mix express |
| 23:50.49 | jsmith | Hmmmmn... could be tatsu... |
| 23:50.58 | jsmith | I still think it started w/ a Y. |
| 23:51.10 | elg | hooters turns up |
| 23:51.13 | elg | and pizza hut |
| 23:51.21 | jsmith | Seems like it was on the corner of a weird-shaped intersection... like the roads didn't meet at right angles. |
| 23:51.21 | tensai | jsmith: my sipura spa-841 is pretty cheap and not that great. is the 942 a lot better? |
| 23:51.49 | maquis | asuka has good sushi in provo |
| 23:52.01 | jsmith | tensai: Yes. PoE is supported, it has a backlight, has a second ethernet port, better microphone... of course, the phone looks 1000% better |
| 23:52.15 | jsmith | maquis: Yeah, as long as you don't go there between semesters |
| 23:52.21 | maquis | jsmith: why's that? |
| 23:52.25 | maquis | we went on 4th of july |
| 23:52.27 | maquis | it was good |
| 23:52.30 | tensai | jsmith: can asterisk update the display? |
| 23:52.33 | jsmith | maquis: The quality goes downhill for some reason when all the college students go home for a break. |
| 23:52.33 | maquis | and we got the all-you-can-eat part ;) |
| 23:52.38 | maquis | jsmith: weird |
| 23:52.44 | jsmith | maquis: Of course... that's the best part. |
| 23:52.53 | jsmith | tensai: Not sure -- never really tried. |
| 23:52.54 | maquis | happy sumo is pretty good too... although a lot more expensive than asuka |
| 23:53.05 | jsmith | maquis: I didn't know you were into sushi |
| 23:53.09 | herlo | maquis: asuka sucks pretty much |
| 23:53.17 | jsmith | ~lart herlo |
| 23:53.18 | maquis | jsmith: i wasn't really... i've only had it 3 or 4 times |
| 23:53.26 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 23:53.26 | maquis | but it's pretty tasty |
| 23:53.35 | herlo | but the price is cheap, so I will eat there... |
| 23:53.39 | herlo | on occasion |
| 23:53.39 | elg | jsmith: http://local.google.com/local?f=l&hl=en&q=tatsu&near=las+cruces+nm&ie=UTF8&ll=32.301208,-106.770115&spn=0.027061,0.03931&om=1 |
| 23:53.40 | maquis | (two of those times are in the past month) |
| 23:53.44 | herlo | ~lart jsmith just because |
| 23:54.31 | elg | that's like 4 blocks from my house |
| 23:57.41 | jsmith | Well, time to start packing... catch y'all later. |