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| 00:51.31 | elg | rsimpkins: in seriousness, I second terminus |
| 00:51.46 | elg | Anonymous is decent too |
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| 01:03.55 | elg | ~rlart |
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| 01:45.39 | elg | any [gkxw]dm experts? |
| 01:46.33 | herlo | elg: well I am no expert, but I've dabbled, what's up? |
| 01:46.51 | elg | i want two sessions. session one regular ol' gdm |
| 01:46.57 | elg | log me in as a normal person, etc. |
| 01:47.24 | elg | session two, I want automatic login into freevo as the wm |
| 01:47.46 | herlo | on a separate display (eg. :1)? |
| 01:47.48 | elg | with a different -layout option to the x server (tv out doesn't work with the accelerated one) |
| 01:47.51 | elg | yeah, that's fine |
| 01:48.25 | elg | i figured out how to get gdm to give me two login screens, i.e. two X sessions, one on :0 and one on :1 |
| 01:48.34 | herlo | hmmph, beyond my limited abilities, sorry man, I tried... |
| 01:48.36 | elg | but I'm not sure how to configure it to auto-login the second |
| 01:49.13 | herlo | elg: you mean just login the account automatically? |
| 01:49.35 | elg | yeah. but in addition I'd like to use a different type of session (use freevo as the wm) |
| 01:50.03 | herlo | what distro? |
| 01:50.23 | elg | debian |
| 01:50.25 | herlo | I know it can be automated somewhat in fc/rh, but I can't recall just how. |
| 01:51.10 | herlo | let me look a second...holdon |
| 01:55.10 | herlo | in Ubuntu, you can create an automatic login with x, I am doing it through a gui, but I am sure it can be done with some config files... |
| 01:55.34 | herlo | there are some specifics that appear to point to the correct display (0,1,etc) |
| 01:55.47 | herlo | this is all in gdm, btw |
| 01:55.52 | herlo | or rather gnome |
| 01:56.33 | herlo | there's probably some config in gconf-editor too that'll control that functionality... |
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| 03:12.07 | levi_ | Good evening. |
| 03:12.20 | Supaplex | elo |
| 03:18.46 | levi_ | Wassup? |
| 03:20.18 | Supaplex | enjoying my evening. you? |
| 03:23.17 | levi_ | I had some yummy beef tenderloin fillets. |
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| 04:50.06 | levi_home | elg_: How's your C++ project coming? |
| 04:55.55 | findlay | slashdot is having troubles tonight |
| 04:56.42 | levi_home | No big loss. |
| 04:57.31 | beandog | heh |
| 04:58.09 | findlay | ~/. |
| 04:58.33 | findlay | ibot: do you know anything? |
| 04:58.34 | ibot | yes, I know anything. |
| 04:58.48 | findlay | ibot: what is my favorite Haydn string quartet? |
| 04:58.50 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 04:58.57 | findlay | ~my favorite Haydn string quartet |
| 04:58.58 | ibot | it has been said that my favorite haydn string quartet is op. 50 no. 1 in B-Dur |
| 04:59.11 | findlay | ibot: I knew you had it in you all this time |
| 04:59.13 | ibot | You knew you had it in you all this time? |
| 04:59.19 | findlay | whatever |
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| 05:46.51 | levi_home | It's too quiet here. |
| 05:47.06 | maquis | From: {WORD) <{_WORD> |
| 05:47.06 | maquis | Reply-To: "{WORD)" <{_WORD>, {WORD |
| 05:47.06 | maquis | To: tuxgraph@gmail.com |
| 05:47.06 | maquis | Date: {DATE} |
| 05:47.06 | maquis | Subject: {}NEW} {STOCK_2} |
| 05:47.08 | maquis | {BODY} |
| 05:47.23 | levi_home | Spam? |
| 05:47.23 | maquis | ^^ that doesn't look like spam at all... |
| 05:47.43 | maquis | i'm always somewhat entertained when the emails come in like that |
| 06:02.51 | maquis | stupid postfix question: in /etc/aliases, i want to tell postfix to send *all* email that comes to the server to a particular mailbox... how do i do that? |
| 06:15.56 | levi_home | Speakng of spam... |
| 06:16.16 | levi_home | Someone apparently sent about 2000 emails to random addresses at my domain. |
| 06:19.14 | levi_home | I've forgotten how to use mutt efficiently. |
| 06:19.32 | levi_home | What's the easiest way to mark the entire mailbox for deletion? |
| 06:28.11 | levi_home | Hmm. It was faster to hold down 'd' than figure it out. |
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| 12:26.14 | sjansen | o/~ secret agent man, secret agent man ~/o |
| 13:12.53 | elg_ | levi_home: coming |
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| 13:15.59 | sjansen | ~fish elg |
| 13:16.02 | ibot | ACTION slaps elg around with a large trout |
| 13:16.10 | sjansen | ~trout elg |
| 13:16.11 | ibot | ACTION slaps elg around a bit with a large trout! |
| 13:16.18 | sjansen | ~salmon elg |
| 13:16.30 | sjansen | ~mackeral elg |
| 13:16.35 | sjansen | ~tuna elg |
| 13:16.51 | sjansen | elg: Still thankful for the fish? Huh?! HUH?!! |
| 13:16.58 | elg | lol |
| 13:17.07 | elg | ~dolphin sjansen |
| 13:28.02 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
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| 13:42.34 | elg | ~lart jayce |
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| 14:25.34 | WoodsDog | f |
| 14:26.13 | elg | g |
| 14:45.59 | elg | ~alphabet |
| 14:46.00 | ibot | from memory, alphabet is ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.2/alphabet-small.ps or ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/xstroke/release-0.2/alphabet.ps, or abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz, or what is sent as the data in an icmp ping |
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| 15:15.59 | sjansen | glargh goozbach blargh |
| 15:19.02 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 15:22.52 | sjansen | ~sing for Jayce^ |
| 15:23.12 | sjansen | ibot? ibot! nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:23.25 | Jayce^ | does that make ibot christene ? |
| 15:24.14 | sjansen | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 15:24.28 | sjansen | ~welcome back |
| 15:24.29 | ibot | Howdy, back! |
| 15:24.35 | sjansen | stupid bot |
| 15:26.00 | beandog | pyton :) |
| 15:26.16 | Jayce^ | ever computer |
| 15:26.16 | sjansen | I guess the very thought was too much for elg to handle. |
| 15:26.50 | sjansen | Jayce^: fine, have it your way |
| 15:27.11 | Jayce^ | sjansen, so, you going to oscon..... mwahahahahahhaa |
| 15:27.32 | Jayce^ | surprised you guys don't trying going there for recruiting |
| 15:27.44 | sjansen | Jayce^: for...ev..er |
| 15:28.24 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yeah, but python was already replaced with perl, so it's a noop :) |
| 15:29.26 | sjansen | Jayce^: Fine, you asked for it. I'll have it replace perl with a hidden copy of awk. |
| 15:29.42 | sjansen | Be careful, or I might make that csh instead. |
| 15:30.26 | levi | But perl is dying, so you'll soon have no programming language at all! |
| 15:30.49 | Jayce^ | *snicker* |
| 15:31.07 | levi | It's all PHP now, man. |
| 15:31.49 | sjansen | You're right. Perl is dying. I read it on perlmonks. |
| 15:31.56 | levi | Yeah, that's what I was referring to. |
| 15:31.57 | sjansen | So it must be true. |
| 15:32.02 | levi | Seems to be down now, though. |
| 15:32.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, quite funny |
| 15:32.17 | levi | Maybe the perlmonks server was the first perl interpreter to keel over? |
| 15:33.00 | Jayce^ | funny thing is, is yesterday had a guy actually think that... heard it was on a "perl server", "there was a statement saying it was dying, and going away" |
| 15:33.01 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:35.34 | levi | Perhaps the perl5 interpreter is finally complex enough to reach a low form of sentient life. Maybe that's the real reason for the rewrite in perl6... have to keep the tools under control! |
| 15:35.39 | sjansen | Bah, I was going to make fun of Jayce^ because Larry was last on http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2006/ and Guido was close to first. |
| 15:35.48 | sjansen | Then I saw Damian Conway was first. |
| 15:35.51 | xbmodder_newlapp | hi |
| 15:36.03 | sjansen | Then I reloaded and discovered the pictures are randomized each load. |
| 15:36.05 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yeah, that random placement really knows what it's doing.. |
| 15:36.59 | sjansen | I'm I the only one that thinks that MySQL guy (Marten Mickos) looks like Darl's twin brother? |
| 15:37.58 | sjansen | ~quote SCOX |
| 15:38.32 | sjansen | Can anyone tell my studnets are doing a really long lab right now? |
| 15:39.33 | harleypig | ~quote UNTD |
| 15:39.40 | xbmodder_newlapp | Rhce/RHCT? |
| 15:39.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | or... |
| 15:39.46 | Jayce^ | ergh... down again :( |
| 15:40.15 | goozbach | sjansen: get to work |
| 15:40.24 | goozbach | how was florida last week sjansen? |
| 15:40.51 | sjansen | goozbach: Shhh. Be very, very quiet. I'm hunting elg. |
| 15:41.53 | sjansen | Florida was as humid as walking through a swimming pool and as hot as hugging an incandescent light bulb. In other words, Florida was Florida. |
| 15:42.12 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:42.17 | goozbach | welcome to my world |
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| 15:47.06 | goozbach | hey elg!!! |
| 15:47.33 | maquis | ok.... really weird problem here |
| 15:48.48 | maquis | if i do a really large file transfer, sometimes (often) partway through, my connection stalls, and i have to actually stop my wireless card, wait a few seconds, and then start it again, or it won't see my wireless network again |
| 15:50.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | maquis, intel card? |
| 15:51.37 | goozbach | RHCM? |
| 15:52.14 | maquis | xbmodder_newlapp: yeah |
| 15:52.20 | maquis | is that a known bug or something? |
| 15:52.25 | xbmodder_newlapp | Happens here too.. |
| 15:52.33 | findlay | RedHat certified monkey |
| 15:52.44 | maquis | xbmodder_newlapp: hmmm... that sucks |
| 15:53.14 | xbmodder_newlapp | I know with ipw3945 it is caused by some incompatiblities with APs |
| 15:53.39 | maquis | xbmodder_newlapp: hmmm... hvae you had the problem with linksys wrt54g? |
| 15:53.51 | maquis | because i have only had it with my router... not with any other ones |
| 15:53.54 | xbmodder_newlapp | never tried it |
| 15:54.28 | xbmodder_newlapp | I know with older orinocos |
| 15:54.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | it freaks out -- I can't remember which chip though |
| 15:55.01 | findlay | I think your wireless card is getting tired too easily. You should probably let rest longer |
| 15:58.43 | maquis | findlay: thanks |
| 15:58.57 | sjansen | Had a little fun on Wed. I was having trouble raising the projector screen to get access to the tiny whiteboard. Suddenly the screen started rolling up very quickly. The bottom bar built up so much momentum that when it hit the top it tore a screw out of the wall causing the screen to fly at me. |
| 15:59.23 | xbmodder_newlapp | :-( |
| 15:59.25 | sjansen | I also had the first sea food that I ever really enjoyed. |
| 15:59.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | What was it? |
| 16:00.20 | sjansen | Ate at Legal Sea Food on Thursday. |
| 16:01.59 | redbeard1 | legal sea food? |
| 16:02.05 | herlo | ~lart sjansen for his taunting eats |
| 16:02.19 | herlo | sjansen: that place is good!! |
| 16:02.43 | herlo | sjansen: what did you eat? |
| 16:04.17 | sjansen | I had the sampler. Basically, I decided that Legal Sea Food in Florida was just about as good as sea food could get. Instead of risking things on a single dish, since I was giving sea food a second chance, I decided to try a range of grilled fish + grilled shrimp. |
| 16:04.21 | sjansen | Yummy. |
| 16:05.16 | elg | -weather |
| 16:05.20 | elg | ~weather |
| 16:05.27 | maquis | question: from the cp manpage, i can see that there's an option to only copy if the destination file is newer than the existing one... is there some way to say "copy only if the destination file does not exist? |
| 16:05.33 | elg | ~weather klru |
| 16:05.35 | maquis | i don't see anything there about it |
| 16:05.53 | maquis | so, i'm guessing it doesn't exist... but maybe someone knows some crazy way to do that :) |
| 16:05.58 | beandog | maquis: cp -u |
| 16:06.02 | sjansen | Growing up in North Dakota and living in Utah I haven't had much chance to get good sea food. |
| 16:06.17 | sjansen | And then there's the fact that my mother is allergic to shell fish... |
| 16:06.20 | maquis | beandog: that says that if the source is newer than the destination it'll still copy, according to what i can see |
| 16:06.59 | beandog | oh, hmm. |
| 16:07.02 | beandog | well, you could try rsync. |
| 16:07.05 | beandog | they might have something. |
| 16:07.37 | beandog | or use konqueror and auto-skip :) |
| 16:09.16 | harleypig | This is bad ... http://thedailywtf.com/default.aspx |
| 16:09.29 | maquis | harleypig: is that yesterday's? |
| 16:09.40 | harleypig | Oh, looks like it. |
| 16:09.51 | sjansen | See, I'm not a big fan of Ruth's Chris. The price/quality ratio doesn't seem as good as some other steak places. |
| 16:10.01 | maquis | harleypig: yeah... that's one of the worst ones i've seen |
| 16:10.07 | sjansen | So far, my favorite place is J. Gilbert's. |
| 16:11.22 | sjansen | herlo: If you can find a J. Gilbert's nearby, they have a sampler with three 4oz steaks. Filet mignon, IIRC. Very tasty. |
| 16:11.47 | harleypig | maquis: it's certainly up there. |
| 16:11.54 | sjansen | I recommend asparagus as a side. One of the steaks is topped with a sauce that goes really well with asparagus. |
| 16:12.47 | levi | Mmm, beef fillet. |
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| 16:12.55 | levi | I had some last night. Good stuff. |
| 16:13.15 | sjansen | Asparagus: there's another thing I didn't used to like. The secret is to get it fresh and not overcook it. If anyone tries to give you it canned, throw the can at them. |
| 16:13.30 | rsimpkins | Hi all. Does anyone know if there is an RPM that contains the "terminus" font for FC5? |
| 16:13.31 | levi | Indeed, canned asparagus is nasty. |
| 16:13.46 | maquis | sjansen: have you ever had pickled asparagus? |
| 16:13.47 | herlo | sjansen: would throwing the can at them hurt if you threw it? |
| 16:16.10 | herlo | sjansen: http://www.jgilberts.com/ is this the place? if so, nothing close enough... |
| 16:18.26 | sjansen | herlo: that's it |
| 16:18.29 | sjansen | maquis: nope |
| 16:18.36 | maquis | sjansen: it's pretty good |
| 16:19.02 | sjansen | herlo: throwing the can would hurt you only if you're not good at throwing stuff |
| 16:20.20 | sjansen | Even I have enough coordination to throw a can at someone without hurting myself. |
| 16:21.50 | herlo | sjansen: only if you threw it, would it hurt, not if I threw it.... |
| 16:22.25 | herlo | and would it hurt them? |
| 16:24.02 | sjansen | rsimpkins: Why do you need an RPM? |
| 16:25.33 | sjansen | Installing a font is incredibly easy, I suspect you don't really need an RPM. |
| 16:25.36 | sjansen | FontConfig++ |
| 16:25.49 | sjansen | But if you do, I would start by checking: |
| 16:25.57 | sjansen | ~google terminus rpm fc5 |
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| 16:31.49 | xbmodder_newlapp | was it STS-119 that blew up? |
| 16:38.25 | sjansen | ~lart mplayer-plugin |
| 16:39.57 | beandog | What? |
| 16:40.02 | beandog | How can you speak ill of mplayer-plugin |
| 16:42.05 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it's buggy |
| 16:43.28 | sjansen | beandog: How? Easy. Step 1) Accidentally click on an audio link. 2) See mplayer-plugin load. 3) Close the tab. 4) Watch the entire browser disappear. 5) Get mad. 6) Speak ill of mplayer-plugin. |
| 16:43.56 | sjansen | Admittedly, there's some room to stream line the process, but it's really not that hard. |
| 16:43.57 | beandog | Hmm, thats poopy. |
| 16:43.59 | beandog | What version? |
| 16:44.07 | beandog | Ive rarely had problems with mplayer plugin |
| 16:44.14 | beandog | Just get it to open a new window, and youll be fine |
| 16:44.26 | beandog | that way the browser doesnt crash, just mplayer |
| 16:49.08 | macnewbold | beandog: I've had the same problems as sjansen, though mine usually happen at the end of playing the audio when I close the tab. Even opening it in a new tab or window doesn't seem to solve it. And it still crashes my whole browser, which is really annoying when you have a few dozen tabs open that you wanted to keep. |
| 16:49.22 | beandog | Ah yes, when you reach the end, that used to happen to me. |
| 16:49.25 | beandog | Just upgrade. :) |
| 16:49.32 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | either doesn't load, or crashes the browser |
| 16:49.35 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | latest version |
| 16:49.35 | sjansen | ~upgrade beandog |
| 16:49.49 | sjansen | ~rpm -Uvh beandog |
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| 16:50.03 | sjansen | ~aptitude install beandog |
| 16:50.19 | beandog | What version are you using? |
| 16:50.34 | beandog | I'm on 3.21 |
| 16:50.41 | sjansen | *shrug* A version that shouldn't kill my entire browser when I close a tab. |
| 16:51.03 | beandog | heh |
| 16:51.09 | beandog | goto about:plugins or something |
| 16:56.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | beandog: I'm on 3.25 - you need to upgrade |
| 16:56.14 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | then yours can break too |
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| 17:00.44 | beandog | Hmm, ok Ill try it |
| 17:00.49 | beandog | Does it happen on everything? |
| 17:03.47 | beandog | oh, gah, it wants to build against firefox. |
| 17:03.48 | beandog | bleh. |
| 17:04.31 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | many things |
| 17:04.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | haven't gotten any consistent behaviour myself though |
| 17:04.53 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | just consitently buggy |
| 17:05.37 | beandog | Hmm, I wonder if he even supports Firefox. |
| 17:05.42 | beandog | or just Mozilla. |
| 17:06.03 | beandog | Shouldnt really make a difference, I would guess. |
| 17:06.04 | beandog | who knows. |
| 17:06.10 | jsmith | ~seen lars-ut |
| 17:06.24 | ibot | lars-ut <n=lars-ut@70.103.228.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 10d 17h 12m 11s ago, saying: 'k'. |
| 17:06.24 | jsmith | -seen lars-ut |
| 17:10.13 | xbmodder_newlapp | mhmm |
| 17:10.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | why is ibot's prefix now "-" |
| 17:10.29 | xbmodder_newlapp | I thought that was brac |
| 17:10.33 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~lart me |
| 17:10.39 | xbmodder_newlapp | -lart me |
| 17:13.17 | herlo | jsmith: lars-ut started a new job, he won't be online much anymore for a while |
| 17:14.01 | RyanE | herlo: where did Lars go? |
| 17:14.09 | RyanE | and is he coming tonight? |
| 17:14.09 | herlo | RyanE: Nature's Sunshine |
| 17:14.24 | RyanE | ah, that's right. Those pill-popping SpanishForkians. |
| 17:14.26 | herlo | RyanE: No, its his week off, but that reminds me I need to send the invite out |
| 17:15.04 | RyanE | I haven't discussed it with Paige yet, but I'd like to come. |
| 17:15.04 | jsmith | herlo: Do you know if his wife had the baby? |
| 17:16.10 | herlo | jsmith: I don't know. He did say that she wasn't due for another 6 wks, but that she's dilated 2" |
| 17:17.54 | jsmith | OK... |
| 17:18.18 | herlo | RyanE: sent it off, did you get it? |
| 17:20.56 | RyanE | not yet. I'm sure I will. I'm not checking my mail much today, trying to get 'real' work done. :) |
| 17:32.40 | herlo | RyanE: np, just let me know if you DONT get it |
| 17:34.01 | RyanE | herlo: got it |
| 17:36.35 | levi | Gah, I somehow deleted a line in ip_tables.c in the netfilter code in the kernel. |
| 17:36.39 | levi | I'm not sure how that happened. |
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| 17:41.26 | herlo | RyanE: thx now everyone will come |
| 17:44.03 | levi | Is anyone here using a voip phone as their primary phone over Comcast? |
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| 17:44.42 | macnewbold | I'm sure there are, levi |
| 17:44.49 | macnewbold | I think bonez41 might be one of them |
| 17:45.18 | levi | Qwest has trained my DSL down to 256k, which seems to be the fastest speed they can get me a reliable connection at. |
| 17:45.53 | levi | So I'm considering switching to cable modem. |
| 17:46.20 | macnewbold | ouch, that really hurts |
| 17:46.59 | levi | Yeah. |
| 17:47.02 | herlo | levi: lars-ut is |
| 17:47.06 | elg_ | 256k isn't too bad until you download an iso |
| 17:47.13 | elg_ | or anything big |
| 17:47.15 | levi | herlo: You know how well it works? |
| 17:47.25 | levi | elg: Or try to do some hi-res streaming video. |
| 17:47.28 | elg_ | yeah, that too |
| 17:48.14 | herlo | levi: never had any problems talking with him. He did say that you have to setup traffic shaping, but that makes sense because voip requires QOS |
| 17:49.53 | levi | elg_: What's the entry price these days for a minimal asterisk setup that I could use with something like Broadvoice? |
| 17:50.36 | elg_ | levi: $50-$100 for an ATA |
| 17:50.55 | findlay | I wouldn't reccommend broadvoice |
| 17:51.14 | elg_ | I'd recommend a sipura 3000-series over a digium card, so you don't even really need asterisk unless you want to play with it |
| 17:51.31 | findlay | they've been making a lot of incompatible changes without telling anyone |
| 17:51.44 | elg_ | otoh if you do want to play with it, you need a provider that interops with asterisk, not one that locks the ATA down like vonage |
| 17:52.01 | levi | findlay: What would you recommend, then? |
| 17:52.08 | findlay | I don't know |
| 17:52.22 | levi | broadvoice certainly seems preferable to vonage. |
| 17:52.24 | findlay | if xmission offered voip |
| 17:53.12 | levi | broadvoice seems to explicitly support asterisk stuff and offers a 'bring your own device' plan. |
| 17:53.24 | findlay | levi: if you don't mind that your phones go down for no obvious reason and you have to email them to find out that they have made yet another asterisk breaking change without telling anyone |
| 17:53.44 | elg_ | what kind of changes can they make? |
| 17:53.49 | elg_ | that would break asterisk? |
| 17:54.00 | elg_ | or perhaps I should say, that would break a SIP client that isn't buggy |
| 17:54.05 | elg_ | which isn't necessarily the same thing |
| 17:55.24 | findlay | elg_: ask gabe. I'm mostly echoing what he's told me. I haven't really gotten around to setting things up myself yet |
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| 18:09.37 | findlay | foreach (@GvzEvxre) {$_ = "aybabtu";} |
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| 18:18.36 | harleypig | has anyone seen the transformers trailer? |
| 18:18.47 | harleypig | It reminded me of this comic: http://70.86.201.113/imageserv2/stilltemporary/PBF077ADDisassemble.html |
| 18:22.28 | findlay | sjansen, oh sjansen! |
| 18:23.56 | findlay | I have crawled across the desert wastelands of the Arctic and snatched the prize from the evil Dr. MPAA |
| 18:24.08 | findlay | on my hands and knees no less |
| 18:24.12 | findlay | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FA57H6/002-2990561-0634410 |
| 18:25.02 | findlay | you cannot but prize that link above all that is special |
| 18:26.06 | findlay | sjansen: you charged me to brave the arctic if necessary or whatever when I learned of WB releasing Animaniacs on DVD |
| 18:27.46 | sjansen | Cool... I mean bummer... I mean cool... |
| 18:28.05 | sjansen | Must... resist... urge... to buy.... |
| 18:28.45 | sjansen | The problem with being single and payed well is that it's hard to resist wasting one's money. |
| 18:29.03 | sjansen | But is that a fair way to describe Animaniacs DVDs? |
| 18:29.17 | sjansen | No! No, I say! It's an investment! |
| 18:29.24 | findlay | yeah |
| 18:29.25 | findlay | sure |
| 18:29.35 | sjansen | See, findlay agrees. |
| 18:29.42 | findlay | that's how I tricked myself into spending $6000 on CDs |
| 18:30.38 | sjansen | Hopefully over many years. |
| 18:30.43 | sjansen | Otherwise you're crazy. |
| 18:30.59 | findlay | most of it I spent in about 4 months |
| 18:31.03 | findlay | but I knew exactly what I wanted |
| 18:57.49 | maquis | findlay: you *had* 6000$ to spend on cds in 4 months? |
| 18:59.25 | levi | findlay: You are nuts. |
| 19:00.14 | beandog | what kinda CDs did you get? |
| 19:00.15 | sjansen | maquis: He probably knows how to save money. |
| 19:00.39 | maquis | sjansen: me too... but i'd hvae to have an *awful* lot of money to be willing to spend 6000$ on cds |
| 19:00.41 | sjansen | And at any rate, it isn't hard to earn $6000 over a 4 month period. Especially if you're willing to live on Cheerios. |
| 19:00.59 | beandog | Yah, its not that hard. |
| 19:01.21 | maquis | sjansen: but 6000$ above what you need to spend on other stuff, and above and beyond the price of stuff that's higher on the spending chain than cds? |
| 19:01.38 | sjansen | Sounds like there wasn't much higher on his priorites list. |
| 19:03.29 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> they want me to spend money there and it's working :( |
| 19:03.45 | xbmodder_newlapp | bestbuy? |
| 19:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one of my favorite quotes |
| 19:03.48 | ScytheBlade1 | amazon.com |
| 19:03.53 | xbmodder_newlapp | ah |
| 19:03.53 | ScytheBlade1 | bestbuy sucks |
| 19:03.59 | xbmodder_newlapp | yup |
| 19:04.01 | beandog | oh, wow. the new cover was even cooler than I thought :D |
| 19:04.05 | beandog | http://image.allmusic.com/13/adg/cov200/drt800/t800/t80047oqphc.jpg |
| 19:04.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | pleasantonians love bestbuy though |
| 19:04.16 | sjansen | Even a college student can scrape together $6000 for CDs over a 4 month period. Find cheap rent and share with room mates, don't buy new clothes, wear clothes more than once before doing laundry, live on ramen/cereal (no milk)/mac & cheese (no milk or butter), and walk everywhere. |
| 19:04.40 | sjansen | If you have a good job instead of a part time minimum wage job, it's even easier. |
| 19:04.51 | sjansen | And IIRC, findlay does have a decent job. |
| 19:05.24 | sjansen | beandog: You're a freak. |
| 19:05.27 | beandog | and bestbuy has it in stock, yay! |
| 19:05.28 | beandog | :D |
| 19:05.31 | beandog | *bounce* |
| 19:05.55 | beandog | sjansen: I just enjoy fine art :) |
| 19:06.02 | sjansen | *sheesh* Everyone knows that Animaniacs is a much better investment than The Incredible Hulk. |
| 19:07.13 | maquis | sjansen: i suppose the issue is... i can't imagine spending that much money on something unless i had piles of money |
| 19:09.26 | levi | maquis: You must be sensible, then. |
| 19:09.53 | sjansen | Speaking of CD/DVD/computer/paintball money, Guru Labs is still hiring. We're looking for someone who knows Linux well, can teach, and enjoys travel. |
| 19:10.19 | beandog | describe "knows Linux well" |
| 19:10.38 | beandog | ;) |
| 19:10.41 | sjansen | The owners are geeks. The co-workers are great. (Although you would have to work with me.) And when you're on the road, the food is great too. |
| 19:10.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | teaching is hard... |
| 19:10.57 | beandog | Or is it 1/5th, I forget. |
| 19:11.31 | sjansen | beandog: In practice, it means has at least 1 to 2 years of hands on experience with Linux. |
| 19:11.50 | beandog | Ah, okay. |
| 19:11.55 | xbmodder_newlapp | sjansen, Have you guys tried to recruit at the local LUG? |
| 19:11.57 | beandog | I thought you had to be a perl guru or something |
| 19:11.59 | Jayce^ | hrm, kick or not kick.... |
| 19:12.04 | xbmodder_newlapp | hehe |
| 19:12.06 | sjansen | You have to have a good knowledge of core topics. From there, if you're a quick learner you'll be taught the rest. |
| 19:12.24 | Jayce^ | quick? learner? surely not beandog then |
| 19:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, I'm rather curious |
| 19:13.00 | xbmodder_newlapp | sjansen, Teaching only Redhat classes? |
| 19:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, also know as interested |
| 19:13.02 | xbmodder_newlapp | or... |
| 19:13.14 | beandog | heh |
| 19:13.30 | sjansen | Quickly, though. If you think you could survive learning Samba/Apache/NFS/iptables/FTP/postfix/bind and little more in just one week, you're golden. |
| 19:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | What if you already know all of those (less postfix)? |
| 19:14.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | dovecot, and sendmail? |
| 19:14.21 | beandog | qmail >* |
| 19:14.45 | xbmodder_newlapp | qmail, ewww... |
| 19:14.50 | beandog | the harder it is to setup, the more fun :D |
| 19:15.32 | beandog | gentoo++ |
| 19:16.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, I'm interested... ;) |
| 19:17.02 | beandog | I can setup LotGD |
| 19:17.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | ScytheBlade1, aren't you 17? |
| 19:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_newlapp, 18 |
| 19:17.12 | xbmodder_newlapp | beandog, eh? |
| 19:17.23 | xbmodder_newlapp | ah |
| 19:17.33 | xbmodder_newlapp | insurance must suck |
| 19:17.38 | beandog | cant kill the dragon tho. :T |
| 19:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not touching that. |
| 19:18.16 | findlay | someday I'll have the ideal handheld device that runs gnuplot + ginac + octave |
| 19:18.34 | findlay | + vim too, of course |
| 19:18.47 | findlay | duh, how could I forget vim? |
| 19:18.51 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 19:19.06 | findlay | that's a hint, btw |
| 19:19.34 | findlay | I've corageously spent my $6000 on CDs, so somebody can give it to me |
| 19:20.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | "Can you hack it?" sounds like a song |
| 19:20.58 | findlay | s/can/should/ |
| 19:21.16 | findlay | s/.*// |
| 19:21.21 | xbmodder_newlapp | ? |
| 19:21.41 | findlay | xbmodder_newlapp: nothing, just having mindless fun |
| 19:21.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 19:24.54 | findlay | ~compute 1024^1024^1024 |
| 19:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ~compute 2+2 |
| 19:25.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | you broke TimRiker's computer |
| 19:25.51 | findlay | who wants to bet that the last digit is 5? |
| 19:26.00 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~ping are you alive |
| 19:26.01 | ibot | pong are you alive |
| 19:26.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | ah |
| 19:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I froze up kcalc |
| 19:26.39 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: try it with ginsh |
| 19:26.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | 1024**I froze up Terminal |
| 19:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 19:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a way to take a whole channel of geeks offline |
| 19:27.14 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 19:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Post huge powers of powers in an IRC channel |
| 19:27.40 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol, and have people compete to see whose machine will solve the quickest |
| 19:27.51 | findlay | ~wiki Conway chained arrow notation |
| 19:29.16 | TimRiker | ~2+2 |
| 19:29.17 | ibot | 4 |
| 19:29.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot of arrows |
| 19:29.21 | TimRiker | ~2**2 |
| 19:29.23 | ibot | 4 |
| 19:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ~1024^1024^1024 |
| 19:29.27 | ibot | 1024 |
| 19:29.30 | ScytheBlade1 | awwww |
| 19:29.33 | TimRiker | ~1024**1024**1024 |
| 19:29.34 | ibot | inf |
| 19:29.34 | findlay | ibot: sure |
| 19:29.36 | ibot | from memory, sure is slow |
| 19:29.44 | findlay | ibot: indeed |
| 19:29.45 | ibot | Yes, indeed! findlay is da man. |
| 19:29.52 | findlay | I knew it |
| 19:29.54 | TimRiker | ~1024**1024 |
| 19:29.56 | ibot | inf |
| 19:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ~1024^1024 |
| 19:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | pfft |
| 19:30.16 | TimRiker | ~2**2**2**2 |
| 19:30.17 | ibot | 65536 |
| 19:30.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ibot isn't capable of doing large powers? |
| 19:30.21 | maquis | ~100**100 |
| 19:30.22 | ibot | a number with quite a few digits... |
| 19:30.26 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 19:30.36 | maquis | ~100**10 |
| 19:30.37 | ibot | 100000000000000000000 |
| 19:30.53 | maquis | ~100**20 |
| 19:30.54 | ibot | a number with quite a few digits... |
| 19:30.57 | maquis | s |
| 19:30.59 | TimRiker | heh |
| 19:31.14 | TimRiker | ~100**.5 |
| 19:31.16 | ibot | 10 |
| 19:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 19:31.22 | maquis | ~100**15 |
| 19:31.23 | ibot | a number with quite a few digits... |
| 19:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Curse competent programming! |
| 19:31.27 | maquis | ~100**12 |
| 19:31.29 | ibot | 999999999999999983222784 |
| 19:31.32 | TimRiker | ~1/0 |
| 19:31.33 | ibot | 1/0 is, like, undefined |
| 19:31.44 | maquis | ibot: how'd you get that? |
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| 19:31.53 | maquis | ~100**13 |
| 19:31.55 | ibot | 100000000000000004764729344 |
| 19:31.57 | TimRiker | ~literal 1/0 |
| 19:31.58 | ibot | "1/0" is "undefined" |
| 19:32.00 | maquis | ~100**11 |
| 19:32.01 | ibot | 10000000000000000000000 |
| 19:32.04 | maquis | ~100**14 |
| 19:32.05 | ibot | 9999999999999999583119736832 |
| 19:32.09 | TimRiker | ~92384029348/0 |
| 19:32.19 | maquis | ibot: your math stinks |
| 19:33.06 | findlay | ~lim_{n,m->\inf} \sum(n_m^n) |
| 19:33.56 | findlay | ~lim_{n,m,p->\inf} \op_p(n_m^n) |
| 19:34.06 | findlay | whatever |
| 19:34.10 | maquis | ~convert 100000 light years to nanometers |
| 19:34.46 | maquis | ~convert 3.1415926535897932384626 light years to nanometers |
| 19:34.48 | findlay | ~convert 1e1024 yottaparsecs to yottamicrons |
| 19:35.24 | findlay | ~convert 1e1024 yottaparsecs to yoctomicrons |
| 19:35.45 | maquis | hrm... this just claimed a 100% compression ratio for a file |
| 19:35.49 | maquis | that kinda scares me |
| 19:35.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 19:35.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | what tool? |
| 19:36.03 | Jayce^ | rm |
| 19:36.05 | maquis | create_compressed_fs |
| 19:36.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 19:36.13 | xbmodder_newlapp | well if its empty.. |
| 19:36.20 | maquis | true |
| 19:36.25 | findlay | ~convert 1024 yottaparsecs to yoctomicrons |
| 19:38.46 | findlay | what if the file is false? |
| 19:41.01 | findlay | ~convert 1024 lumaparsecs to luntomicrons |
| 19:41.54 | findlay | lol |
| 19:41.58 | findlay | "For example, a jiffy is 100 rimtoseconds, 10-43 second, which some say is the smallest unit of time possible." |
| 19:42.16 | findlay | I suppose he's refering to the Planck limit somehow |
| 19:43.03 | findlay | ~convert 1024 ages of Middle earth to jiffies |
| 19:43.43 | rsimpkins | How can you have a smallest unit of time possible? What happens if you devide by 2? |
| 19:44.13 | rsimpkins | Seems time is a subjective measurement, right? |
| 19:44.18 | findlay | nothing at all. The Universe just collapses on itself |
| 19:44.20 | beandog | than chuck norris divides by zero |
| 19:44.34 | findlay | rsimpkins: not really. The Planck limit is very real |
| 19:45.16 | rsimpkins | I'm talking about the difference between subjective and non-subjective measurements. |
| 19:45.25 | findlay | I'm sure the crew of the Enterprise could navigate through that dillema somehow |
| 19:45.36 | beandog | if only Cpt. Picard were here. |
| 19:46.01 | levi | rsimpkins: That depends on what sense of 'subjective' you're using. |
| 19:46.17 | findlay | rsimpkins: I believe the Planck limit relates if time itself is quantized |
| 19:46.48 | levi | Unless by 'subjective' you mean 'relative', time is not subjective. |
| 19:49.04 | rsimpkins | From wikipedia: "Time has long been a major subject of philosophy, art, poetry, and science. There are widely divergent views about its meaning; hence it is difficult to provide an uncontroversial definition of time." |
| 19:50.31 | levi | 'Difficult to define' does not mean 'subjective' |
| 19:51.47 | rsimpkins | Well, it's subjectivity depends on it's definition. IMHO. |
| 19:52.24 | levi | Do you think what time really is depends on or is influenced by personal feelings? |
| 19:52.41 | rsimpkins | Is time something that takes place in your head - or something that is tied to a physical/quantum action? |
| 19:52.44 | levi | Or do you think it depends on your mind to exist? |
| 19:53.12 | rsimpkins | I think that is exactly what I am saying. I am not answering it, just saying that perhaps time could be defined subjectivly. |
| 19:53.14 | levi | You'd have to be pretty solipsistic to believe that time only exists because of your perception. |
| 19:54.27 | rsimpkins | I think I am moving, so I must be. I think I am standing still. Am I? Maybe everyone else is revolving around ME! ;) |
| 19:55.30 | rsimpkins | If I am the center of the universe. what does that mean for physics? ;) |
| 19:55.48 | levi | Certainly there are different perceptions of how much time has passed, giving rise to sayings like, "It feels like time is standing still," but that doesn't mean that time is wholly in the realm of the mind, without objectively measurable quantity. |
| 19:57.35 | levi | rsimpkins: There's a very valid frame of reference in which you are the center of everything. |
| 19:57.40 | rsimpkins | I think the whole universe is shifting around my head. It's sort of wobbling along. I think I am moving, but really the universe is just shifting under my feet. |
| 19:58.16 | rsimpkins | I'm totally out of my league, it's certainly something to think about. How do you measure time? What does that mean, etc. |
| 19:59.52 | rsimpkins | Wikipedia has a nice article on time. Thank goodness for that site. |
| 19:59.59 | rsimpkins | It's really changed my love life. |
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| 20:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 20:00.56 | macnewbold | ? |
| 20:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <rsimpkins> Wikipedia has a nice article on time. Thank goodness for that site. |
| 20:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | <rsimpkins> It's really changed my love life. |
| 20:01.18 | levi | You measure time like you measure anything else; by comparing it to a standard. |
| 20:02.26 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 |
| 20:02.49 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: I have more friends now. |
| 20:03.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not touching that, it's flash :( |
| 20:03.39 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: There is a linux flash client. |
| 20:03.46 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: And it's worth it. |
| 20:04.28 | rsimpkins | levi: There are lots of standards for time measurement huh? |
| 20:05.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to plug in headphones |
| 20:05.55 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: If you work near geeks, you'll want to blast it out of your cube. |
| 20:06.02 | rsimpkins | ScytheBlade1: See if you can gather a crowd. |
| 20:06.14 | levi | rsimpkins: Not really. Pretty much everyone uses the second. |
| 20:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | rsimpkins, I'm at home currently |
| 20:06.56 | vontrapp | you need headphones at home? what kind of a home is that? |
| 20:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Personal prefrence |
| 20:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000065BPC/104-3176788-3538304?v=glance&n=172282 |
| 20:13.16 | ScytheBlade1 | bbl |
| 20:14.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | bye |
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| 20:33.45 | vontrapp | -lat xml abuse |
| 20:33.56 | vontrapp | -lart xml abuse |
| 20:34.28 | vontrapp | hey, let's format this data as xml so we can just throw it in a database :/ |
| 20:47.09 | levi | Hmm, why is ipt_register_table not working? |
| 20:49.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | Ask a ninja is so weird |
| 20:53.26 | herlo | xbmodder_newlapp: yes it is |
| 20:53.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | What is the name of the intro? |
| 20:54.20 | xbmodder_newlapp | (song) |
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| 21:19.01 | levi | Gah. This must be another compiler problem. |
| 21:19.26 | macnewbold | anyone in here use godaddy.com for their domains? |
| 21:19.48 | Jayce^ | yes |
| 21:19.58 | macnewbold | I've got a question about DNS servers |
| 21:20.13 | macnewbold | It looks like they'll handle my DNS if I park it, or if I host with them, but not otherwise |
| 21:20.16 | macnewbold | is that correct? |
| 21:20.37 | macnewbold | namecheap.com always does free DNS service, no matter what you're pointing it to |
| 21:20.50 | macnewbold | but this client decided not to listen to us, and go with godaddy to save $1/year |
| 21:21.50 | Jayce^ | you can point to other dns, or you can use 'total control' dns for free through them too |
| 21:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Or |
| 21:22.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Use zoneedit.com |
| 21:22.20 | ScytheBlade1 | 5 domains for free |
| 21:22.30 | Jayce^ | everydns.net |
| 21:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Why is it that I always hear these things late :( |
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| 21:25.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | use godaddy.com to register the domain name |
| 21:26.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | and for DNS hosting you can use: VPS, zoneedit, or everydns.net... |
| 21:26.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Godaddy is kinda like the AOL of domain names I've realized |
| 21:26.22 | ScytheBlade1 | They will try to nickel and dime you every step of the way |
| 21:26.37 | macnewbold | Jayce^: but if you want "Total control" dns through them for free, what settings do you use for your DNS servers? I only saw options for hosted, parked, and custom. |
| 21:27.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | ScytheBlade1, but they are the cheapest, and they have a very good advertising campaign. |
| 21:27.19 | *** part/#utah herlo (n=herlo@69-212-171-162.ded.ameritech.net) |
| 21:27.19 | xbmodder_newlapp | custom |
| 21:27.25 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_newlapp, cheapest, but by a horrible small margin |
| 21:27.51 | xbmodder_newlapp | ScytheBlade1, I have yet to find someone better |
| 21:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | s/horrible/horribly/ |
| 21:29.07 | ScytheBlade1 | You know it took me fifteen minutes to figure out how to buy a domain through them without all of the extra crap? |
| 21:29.55 | xbmodder_newlapp | you just go and click on 'advanced' |
| 21:30.11 | xbmodder_newlapp | they have an API too iirc |
| 21:44.14 | levi | Blasted alignment issues. |
| 21:45.19 | xbmodder_newlapp | eh? |
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| 21:46.35 | elg | ~rlart sjansen |
| 21:46.44 | elg | ~rlart |
| 21:50.43 | elg | ~lart el paso electric |
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| 21:51.29 | levi | El Paso is evil. |
| 21:55.49 | maquis | why is it so bleep-ing hot out there? |
| 21:56.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Last I checked, it had something to do with the spin of the earth |
| 21:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It kinda sucks :/ |
| 21:56.29 | macnewbold | I believe it is due to the fact that the sun's rays are currently striking the surface of the earth in the northern hemisphere more directly than usual... |
| 21:56.43 | macnewbold | also known as "summer" |
| 21:56.51 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 21:57.00 | maquis | seattle gets summer too.. .and it's not like this... |
| 21:57.07 | maquis | macnewbold: thanks |
| 21:57.14 | macnewbold | yes, I believe in seattle it would add a factor called "humidity" |
| 21:57.34 | maquis | well... actually they add factors like cloud cover and rain |
| 21:57.42 | maquis | and wind |
| 21:57.50 | maquis | and trees to hide under |
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| 22:05.34 | elg | grumble |
| 22:05.42 | vontrapp | ~fumble elg |
| 22:06.04 | elg | I wish I had a ups. vontrapp, buy me one |
| 22:07.10 | vontrapp | anyone know of the coolest nifty tool to take a database definition and produce a digraph of table relations? |
| 22:07.44 | elg | dot? |
| 22:07.56 | elg | dot+ruby? :) |
| 22:08.07 | vontrapp | dot understands mysql table declaration dumps? |
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| 22:08.23 | elg | vontrapp: with your help it does |
| 22:09.21 | vontrapp | i shouldn't really be futzing around (read yak shaving) with some neat little thing i would really enjoy writing as i really need to be just getting the actual work it's to be helping me with donw |
| 22:09.31 | vontrapp | so if there's one already in existance that would be great |
| 22:10.27 | elg | how do you tell from a dump what the relationships are? |
| 22:10.47 | vontrapp | something else that would be cool is an svg digraph where you can move nodes arount (in case they come out messy) |
| 22:10.58 | elg | now that would be a yak |
| 22:11.54 | vontrapp | well, you dig through the dump and then you know what the yak was eating. maybe it had some peas pointing to carrots, or grass referencing a patch of dirt |
| 22:12.50 | elg | im' just thinking it's probably simple enough you could do it with a shell script and a couple lines of sed |
| 22:12.56 | elg | if the output is regular enough |
| 22:13.03 | vontrapp | elg: create table bar ( foo_id int ); => foo relates to bar |
| 22:13.31 | vontrapp | alas you must rely on naming to grok the relatiosns and mess around with different conventions said naming might employ |
| 22:13.59 | elg | does it do fancy railsy things like lady_id and the table name is ladies? |
| 22:14.06 | vontrapp | that's when foreign keys are cool |
| 22:14.10 | elg | so no foreign keys |
| 22:16.43 | vontrapp | 29 days! |
| 22:16.56 | elg | ~slap vontrapp |
| 22:16.58 | ibot | ACTION slaps vontrapp, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:17.01 | elg | on the back I meant |
| 22:18.03 | tene | vontrapp: erm... your table definitions don't actually state relationships? |
| 22:18.05 | vontrapp | for now i'll just type up a nice yaml to represent the relations and script that into a digraph def |
| 22:18.30 | vontrapp | tene: erm, the do implicitly |
| 22:18.33 | elg | vontrapp: if they're all of the form foo_id |
| 22:18.33 | tene | create table bar ( foo_id int references foo ); |
| 22:18.34 | vontrapp | *they |
| 22:18.41 | elg | then just make a graph that way |
| 22:18.45 | vontrapp | tene: this is mysql |
| 22:18.56 | tene | you can do that in mysql. |
| 22:19.08 | vontrapp | maybe spankin new mysql |
| 22:19.18 | elg | and if you have to map singular to plural |
| 22:19.18 | tene | ... |
| 22:19.18 | vontrapp | this is like more than a year old |
| 22:19.23 | tene | are you certain? |
| 22:19.32 | tene | if so, mysql is much more stupid than I knew. |
| 22:19.43 | vontrapp | well, i've never known mysql databases to have that type of thing |
| 22:19.49 | vontrapp | so i assume it's something newer |
| 22:19.59 | vontrapp | if at all |
| 22:20.21 | vontrapp | but maybe i'm just oblivious |
| 22:20.30 | elg | vontrapp: whatever it means, mysql probably allows for it in any case |
| 22:20.35 | elg | whether it enforces it is another question |
| 22:20.56 | tene | vontrapp: that's what the 'Relational' in 'Relational Database' talks about. |
| 22:22.00 | vontrapp | well, my experience is a hodge-podge of (not so?) bad example learning |
| 22:22.18 | vontrapp | but i've never seen such a thing in all my mysql encounters |
| 22:22.37 | tene | bad db programmers tend to flock to mysql for some reason. |
| 22:22.43 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 22:22.59 | tene | Not to say that good ones don't use it, just that most bad thing related to databases I've seen have used mysql. |
| 22:23.12 | vontrapp | kinda like php |
| 22:23.39 | tene | Yeah. |
| 22:24.02 | tene | The recent versions of MySQL finally have Real Database Features, or something like that. |
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| 22:24.13 | elg | anyone good with markov chains? |
| 22:24.23 | tene | elg: cpan is? |
| 22:24.38 | elg | are they hard to implement? |
| 22:25.25 | tene | http://search.cpan.org/~rclamp/Algorithm-MarkovChain-0.06/lib/Algorithm/MarkovChain.pm |
| 22:25.39 | vontrapp | elg: probably harder than to not |
| 22:26.00 | elg | i don't need a module |
| 22:26.04 | vontrapp | enter lazyness |
| 22:26.08 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.20 | vontrapp | elg, shave my yak |
| 22:26.35 | elg | my students won't be able to shave your yak for awhile |
| 22:26.36 | elg | :) |
| 22:26.51 | tene | elg: look at the source: http://search.cpan.org/src/RCLAMP/Algorithm-MarkovChain-0.06/lib/Algorithm/MarkovChain.pm |
| 22:26.56 | vontrapp | ah, so _you_ don't need it, you need to _provide_ it |
| 22:26.59 | tene | it's about one page or so |
| 22:27.21 | elg | vontrapp: I will if foo_id implies the related table is named foo |
| 22:27.31 | tene | ... oh, that uses another file as its base. |
| 22:27.59 | vontrapp | looks like they all go by way of fooid |
| 22:29.40 | elg | and if the table name is dogs? |
| 22:29.51 | vontrapp | then you have sid the dog |
| 22:30.04 | elg | dogsid? |
| 22:30.19 | elg | im me a sample table definition |
| 22:30.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | lol - http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sited/story/html/261307 |
| 22:30.43 | vontrapp | that would be easy if you were on jabber |
| 22:30.49 | vontrapp | it would actually be dogid |
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| 22:31.51 | elg | ah, well I don't have time to futz with plural/singulars |
| 22:31.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | anyone know a good ruby cart solution that supports paypal? |
| 22:31.59 | elg | shopify |
| 22:32.23 | vontrapp | acts_as_you_worst_nightmare |
| 22:32.44 | vontrapp | s/you/your/ |
| 22:33.13 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?666428 |
| 22:33.18 | brac | [QDB: Quote #666428] |
| 22:33.19 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: where do they make their money? |
| 22:33.29 | elg | from people like you who buy it |
| 22:33.30 | elg | I guess |
| 22:33.54 | vontrapp | who makes money? |
| 22:34.35 | elg | africa |
| 22:35.45 | vontrapp | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: that's quite possibly the worst written article i've ever seen |
| 22:36.47 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: I thought it was free |
| 22:37.05 | elg | no, I don't think so |
| 22:37.22 | elg | actually I think it's a service |
| 22:37.36 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | vontrapp: it's Washington, what do you expect? ;-) |
| 22:37.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: oh, I was looking at shopify.com |
| 22:37.54 | elg | yup |
| 22:38.16 | elg | oh it says free. not sure what their business model is then |
| 22:38.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I think it is a service/hosted model |
| 22:38.35 | elg | 3% commission |
| 22:38.44 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | dang - can't afford that |
| 22:38.46 | elg | that's where they make the money |
| 22:38.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I need one I can host myself |
| 22:39.05 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I can only afford the Paypal commission - selling $.99 songs |
| 22:39.06 | elg | what are you selling? |
| 22:39.13 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | for my bro's band |
| 22:39.22 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | and CDs |
| 22:39.40 | elg | what's paypal's commissioN? |
| 22:40.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: it's like 3% + like $.30 |
| 22:40.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | might be less |
| 22:40.58 | vontrapp | $.30?!? on a $.99 song? |
| 22:41.04 | elg | so 1/3 goes to paypal eh? |
| 22:41.12 | elg | I think I'd say "no paypal" |
| 22:41.17 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: 3%, not 33% |
| 22:41.27 | elg | you just said 3% plus 30% |
| 22:41.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | vontrapp: only solution - not many micro-credit options out there |
| 22:41.38 | elg | well, 30 cents, which is 30% of a 99 cent song |
| 22:41.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: I said 3% + $.30 |
| 22:41.57 | elg | yeah |
| 22:41.58 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | so yes, I guess 1/3 |
| 22:42.00 | elg | and I said that's 1/3 |
| 22:42.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | might be less though - can't remember for sure |
| 22:42.18 | elg | what if you only accepted credit card and got a merchant account? |
| 22:42.22 | elg | it might be just as bad or worse |
| 22:42.24 | elg | but it might not |
| 22:42.34 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: yeah - I think it's worse for such a small purchase option |
| 22:42.40 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mp3.com is the other option |
| 22:42.49 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | they take a cut too though |
| 22:43.29 | vontrapp | how about they order, then just paypal you themselves, when you get the money you ship |
| 22:43.34 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | anyone know what the fees on an authorize.net account are? |
| 22:43.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | vontrapp: that requires them to have a paypal account. Not everyone's willing to have a paypal account. |
| 22:44.23 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | but yes, that will be an option |
| 22:44.24 | elg | my brother in law runs a business along these lines |
| 22:44.33 | elg | i've never asked for details thought |
| 22:45.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: I'd be interested to find out. If he's cheaper than hosting my own cart solution and going through a merchant account of some sort, I'm listening. |
| 22:45.23 | elg | oh I don't know if he offers cart solutions |
| 22:45.39 | elg | i think he just does the transaction stuff |
| 22:45.49 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | If he's cheaper than paypal or authorize.net then I'm listening too |
| 22:46.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | not sure how much authorize.net is however - they want me to call a number to find out |
| 22:46.26 | tene | is that google thing an option? |
| 22:46.49 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | tene: it's even more expensive than paypal, but I don't think they're offering it to just anyone yet |
| 22:47.15 | tene | 'kay. I don't know much about it. |
| 22:47.22 | levi | elg: How's your C++ project going? |
| 22:47.34 | elg | pretty good. I got past the 'swear at C++' stage |
| 22:47.49 | levi | I occasionally have the sick and twisted desire to pick up advanced C++ kung-fu. |
| 22:47.59 | elg | :) |
| 22:48.04 | levi | With Boost and heavy template usage, etc. |
| 22:48.51 | levi | How have you worked around the stuff that would have been easy with dynamic typing? |
| 22:49.14 | elg | yeah |
| 22:49.38 | elg | and it turned out pretty well all in all |
| 22:49.53 | levi | No, I'm asking how you did it. :) |
| 22:50.31 | elg | ohh :) |
| 22:52.26 | levi | Yay, I have iptables! |
| 22:53.05 | levi | Now, either it's actually horribly broken or my __alignof__ operator is broken. |
| 22:53.17 | elg | i don't even know where to start |
| 22:53.49 | levi | Was there a well-known design pattern you used? |
| 22:55.31 | elg | yes, the end result is a fairly straightforward command pattern |
| 22:55.36 | elg | with a little memento thrown in |
| 22:55.52 | elg | but the solution is so different from the original problem that's why I don't know where to start. :) |
| 22:56.03 | levi | Hmm. |
| 22:56.45 | elg | let's start here, and I'll fill in the blanks with your questions |
| 22:56.46 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/5117 |
| 22:57.40 | elg | hmm, http://pastie.caboo.se/5117/text is better |
| 22:58.43 | elg | the stuff I clean out there is on the other side of the big hump though. the real problem that I was trying to solve there always boiled down to this: |
| 22:59.39 | elg | well, it boiled down to static typing |
| 23:00.49 | elg | undo in ardour previously was done by grabbing commands that restore state (returned by misnamed get_memento() functions) |
| 23:01.11 | elg | and when you want to undo, you just run that command (which was a sigc::slot<void>) |
| 23:01.50 | elg | sigc::slot<void> can be made, even when you need to pass arguments, like this: |
| 23:02.30 | elg | sigc::slot<void> foo = sigc::bind(sigc::mem_fun(some_obj, &SomeClass::some_method), arg1, arg2); |
| 23:02.35 | elg | which is a way to make a functor |
| 23:02.43 | elg | which they like to erroneously call a closure |
| 23:03.02 | elg | and it behaves like a closure as long as you don't access outside data except through the parameters |
| 23:03.57 | levi | So it binds the function and the arguments to call it with into a thunk? |
| 23:04.36 | elg | so for serialization I needed to capture and serialize the method and its arguments. but all kinds of ways to wrap a slot<void> with enough structure to get at the arguments and serialize, was always running up against the problem |
| 23:05.04 | elg | that I had to know the type of the object and arguments |
| 23:05.18 | elg | there was no generic way, and I wasn't excited about writing a hundred classes |
| 23:05.24 | elg | ok, maybe more like 50 |
| 23:05.34 | elg | yes, exactly |
| 23:05.45 | elg | (your question) |
| 23:05.50 | elg | sigc++ is a nifty little lib |
| 23:06.07 | levi | Sounds nifty. |
| 23:06.20 | elg | but there's no way to get to the arguments in a bound thunk/functor/whatever |
| 23:06.24 | elg | at least that I could find |
| 23:06.53 | levi | So you can't serialize it after you've made the functor. |
| 23:06.59 | vontrapp | how about a yaml2dot? |
| 23:07.23 | elg | vontrapp: in what way? |
| 23:07.37 | vontrapp | foo: |
| 23:07.37 | elg | foo: [dependencies, of, foo] |
| 23:07.38 | elg | ? |
| 23:07.40 | vontrapp | - bar |
| 23:07.43 | vontrapp | :bar |
| 23:07.45 | vontrapp | - foo |
| 23:07.49 | vontrapp | would make foo <=> bar |
| 23:07.59 | vontrapp | elg: exactly |
| 23:12.13 | elg | you mean like this? http://pastie.caboo.se/5118 |
| 23:12.32 | elg | er, there's a typo |
| 23:12.49 | elg | http://pastie.caboo.se/5119 |
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| 23:13.06 | elg | and it seems to have eaten the final "}" |
| 23:13.28 | vontrapp | what a monster, eathing those poor curlys |
| 23:13.54 | elg | i blame iTerm. I occasionally have trouble with getting it to copy everything to the clipboard |
| 23:16.00 | beandog | Is there a way to setup sshd to accept only pub_key logins? I dont see anything in the man / config files |
| 23:16.38 | elg | awesome. netflix shipped yesterday and here they are in today's mail |
| 23:17.56 | vontrapp | beandog, try looking for some kind of interactive option to turn off |
| 23:21.13 | tene | beandog: man sshd_config |
| 23:21.22 | tene | PasswordAuthentication |
| 23:21.45 | beandog | yah, that doesnt turn it off. |
| 23:22.02 | tene | PasswordAuthentication no, that is |
| 23:22.11 | beandog | right. |
| 23:23.01 | tene | works for me |
| 23:23.04 | tene | did you restart sshd? |
| 23:23.09 | beandog | reload |
| 23:23.22 | tene | it works for me |
| 23:23.29 | tene | Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-with-mic). |
| 23:24.36 | beandog | hmm |
| 23:24.38 | beandog | what is UsePAM set to |
| 23:25.05 | tene | UsePAM yes |
| 23:25.18 | beandog | Hmm |
| 23:25.22 | beandog | I turned that to no, and now its working. |
| 23:27.18 | macnewbold | Maybe UsePAMELA will work better... perhaps she's a formal girl? |
| 23:27.23 | tene | "Depending on your PAM configuration, this may bypass the setting of PasswordAuthentication, PermitEmptyPasswords, and "PermitRootLogin without-password"." |
| 23:27.28 | beandog | right |
| 23:27.34 | beandog | that was probably it, Id wager. |
| 23:27.42 | macnewbold | or maybe she just doesn't want to be used |
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