| 00:01.37 | Supaplex | fungus: go home, play wow, have fun. :-D |
| 00:02.46 | fungus | Supaplex: I would, but "you know who" has some more crazy ideas. :) |
| 00:02.58 | Supaplex | already? |
| 00:02.58 | elg | grrr. this stupid sun box doesn't even have formail |
| 00:03.07 | fungus | yup |
| 00:05.03 | Supaplex | elg: sounds as fun as nfs:/tmp |
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| 00:41.11 | harleypig | Where is everyone! Come to NUPM!!! |
| 00:41.40 | Jayce | come watch harleypig dancing and signing the 'Fanta' theme song.... |
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| 00:42.09 | harleypig | signing? |
| 00:42.19 | harleypig | I got some *signs* I can show you! |
| 00:42.21 | Jayce | yeah, for the hearing impared |
| 00:42.26 | Jayce | that's what I meant :-p |
| 00:42.52 | redbeard2 | ~lart harleypig |
| 00:42.59 | redbeard2 | take that! |
| 00:43.13 | Jayce | hey, I think his 'notebook' would be able to run that |
| 00:44.00 | redbeard2 | hardly. he can't even seem to get linux working right, how do we expect him to get windows working on it? |
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| 00:44.18 | Jayce | i think that's what he really is running |
| 00:44.19 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.00 | redbeard2 | poing! |
| 00:45.07 | harleypig | you missed :P |
| 00:45.14 | Jayce | ~nerf harleypig |
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| 00:50.49 | graphyx | tene: tensai: Well I didn't get my head around that problem I was working on last night, but I did just throw together a perl script that printed out a token from a file if it had an "@" sign it in in like 30 seconds. So you guys' effort has not been wasted. I was just thrilled that I didn't make a single mistake on putting that together and wanted to tell you. Thanks again. |
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| 01:07.34 | maquis | -lart PeregrineFalcon |
| 01:08.28 | PeregrineFalcon | howdy, maquis. |
| 01:08.36 | maquis | PeregrineFalcon: what's up? |
| 01:09.13 | maquis | any particular reason you decided to go for the full name? |
| 01:14.07 | Jayce | so maquis you coming to plug? |
| 01:14.21 | PeregrineFalcon | I've just /msg'd with a freenode staffer to try to "steal back" the registration of Peregrine, which I used to have, and I can't get it back. |
| 01:14.36 | redbeard2 | yeah, why aren't all you people at plug? |
| 01:14.45 | Jayce | jeez, slackers |
| 01:14.52 | Jayce | starts in just a little while |
| 01:14.55 | harleypig | They don't want to learn anything. |
| 01:15.55 | Jayce | qotd: neybar "whee, it didn't work!" |
| 01:16.18 | mrpull- | what was perlmongers about? |
| 01:16.46 | Jayce | it's going on right now |
| 01:16.56 | Jayce | neybar is presenting on CGI::Ex::App |
| 01:17.04 | mrpull- | Jayce^: jeez slacker! |
| 01:17.37 | maquis | Jayce: not today... |
| 01:18.01 | maquis | Jayce: what's the topic? |
| 01:18.17 | Jayce | maquis, what? it's summertime, you have plenty of time |
| 01:18.26 | Jayce | maquis, didn't you read any of the emails or blogs? |
| 01:18.39 | Jayce | thayne is presenting on the realm systems devices that he makes |
| 01:18.41 | maquis | Jayce: i've got a class |
| 01:18.50 | maquis | so, it's not an easy summer |
| 01:18.54 | redbeard2 | maquis: don't worry, i understand. i try not to read jayce's blog either. |
| 01:18.54 | maquis | it's pretty busy |
| 01:19.01 | Jayce | bah, waste of time compared to nifty hardware presented by the developer |
| 01:19.09 | Jayce | redbeard2, you know you can't escape it |
| 01:19.22 | redbeard2 | freakin' halls |
| 01:19.28 | maquis | Jayce: is there dinner there? |
| 01:19.33 | graphyx | redbeard2: plug is about 1200 miles away for me. |
| 01:19.44 | Jayce | maquis, just ate |
| 01:19.47 | redbeard2 | maquis: we have candy here |
| 01:19.52 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 01:19.54 | Jayce | mm, spree and sweetarts |
| 01:19.58 | maquis | nah |
| 01:20.03 | maquis | not filling enough |
| 01:20.09 | graphyx | I thought she was someone's sweetart already. |
| 01:20.18 | graphyx | oopps.. missing an "h". |
| 01:20.20 | maquis | :) |
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| 01:41.49 | redbeard2 | ping maquis |
| 01:45.17 | maquis | redbeard2: pong? |
| 01:47.14 | redbeard2 | maquis: you're not in class |
| 01:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The MBR hack to dual-boot windows and linux is amazing |
| 01:51.15 | PeregrineFalcon | ScytheBlade1: ?? |
| 01:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | PeregrineFalcon, you can't dual-boot windows and linux if they're on seperate drives, due to NTLDR stupidity |
| 01:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | With said MBR hack, you can |
| 01:52.46 | PeregrineFalcon | Hm. I've done it before, as long as windows lives on the same drive as the bootloader stage1 loads from. But it's been so long ago that I tried two drives, that I'm probably off in left field on that. |
| 01:52.55 | PeregrineFalcon | So...cool! |
| 01:53.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, if they're on the same drive, no problem at all |
| 01:53.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Different drives? Sorry, try again |
| 01:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (`dd` the linux MBR, save it as a file in windows, say, "c: |
| 01:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | mbr.bin", and then add that as a windows boot option) |
| 01:54.21 | levi_ | Mmmm, apple crisp. |
| 01:54.27 | levi_ | With freshly whipped cream. |
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| 02:17.40 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 02:18.07 | elg | anyone got mime fu? |
| 02:19.13 | PeregrineFalcon | ~invoke goozbach |
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| 02:38.31 | redbeard2 | ~lart elg |
| 02:39.08 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 02:39.18 | elg | where's redbeard1? |
| 02:39.27 | redbeard2 | he went to plug |
| 02:39.36 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 02:39.43 | redbeard2 | tragic |
| 02:40.21 | redbeard2 | i didn't want to use a name like redbeard_lappy |
| 02:40.49 | elg | yeah, that would be bad |
| 02:41.03 | elg | what ever was wrong with just plain redbeard? |
| 02:41.15 | redbeard2 | it was taken |
| 02:41.53 | redbeard2 | it WAS taken |
| 02:42.03 | elg | it does say it's registered |
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| 02:42.45 | elg | so you need to find him and torture his gerbil until he relinquishes the nick |
| 02:46.51 | levi_ | elg: Heh. Talking to yourself now, eh? |
| 02:47.11 | PeregrineFalcon | Yeah, I used to have "Peregrine" registered, but someone somebody else took it away. :( |
| 02:47.13 | elg | yeah. I thought I had checked everywhere and of course after I send it I realize I hadn't dug through apt-cache |
| 02:47.38 | elg | I stole hans from someone when freenode had some trouble with its nickserv stuff |
| 02:48.53 | *** topic/#utah by PeregrineFalcon -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org | PLUG meeting Wednesday - Thayne Presents Realm Systems Hardware |
| 02:49.06 | PeregrineFalcon | invoke goozbach |
| 02:52.56 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 02:53.03 | maquis | looks like he didn't turn it back on |
| 02:59.31 | PeregrineFalcon | :( |
| 03:12.25 | goozbach | it's on |
| 03:12.36 | goozbach | just doesn't have the right message |
| 03:14.28 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 03:14.36 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 03:14.36 | goozbach | ~ping |
| 03:14.37 | ibot | pong |
| 03:14.48 | goozbach | ~impatient |
| 03:14.59 | goozbach | ~goozbach is also impation |
| 03:15.02 | ibot | goozbach: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 03:16.58 | redbeard2 | i'm outta here. ciao. |
| 03:17.03 | Jayce | slacker |
| 03:17.04 | elg | -lart redbeard2 |
| 03:18.32 | goozbach | blarg |
| 03:18.41 | goozbach | so my phone got stuck ringing |
| 03:18.50 | goozbach | I won't quit |
| 03:18.56 | goozbach | and it won't turn off |
| 03:19.47 | elg | :) |
| 03:19.51 | elg | remove the batterY? |
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| 03:28.17 | goozbach | a hard reset fixed it |
| 03:30.30 | QBFreak | bah, I seem to have forgotten my new nickserv password and it wont send it to me |
| 03:30.46 | QBFreak | says -NickServ(services@localhost.net)- SENDPASS command unavailable because encryption is in use. |
| 03:33.30 | QBFreak | wrong network |
| 03:44.17 | tene | argh. bottom posting without trimming is... argh. |
| 03:44.47 | tene | especially with spammy additions to the bottom of every quoted post, such as on sf.net mailing lists. |
| 03:49.11 | elg | tene: is... much much much worse than top posting |
| 03:49.21 | tene | Yeah. |
| 03:50.53 | QBFreak | AHG I seem to be forgetting all of my new password |
| 03:50.53 | QBFreak | s |
| 03:51.12 | QBFreak | and on top of that my main PC wont even boot |
| 03:52.52 | tene | sweet |
| 03:56.10 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 04:11.19 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | stupid mailman |
| 04:12.22 | maquis | w00t! |
| 04:15.10 | tene | yay? |
| 04:15.33 | tene | Argh. I don't want to learn qmail and freebsd at the same time. |
| 04:15.38 | tene | Oh well. |
| 04:16.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mythbusters is good tonight |
| 04:22.28 | flyboy^ | I guess no one was interested in my post. :( |
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| 04:46.02 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | interesting - on fedora mailman needs mod_cgi to not try and read the files in cgi-bin as plain text |
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| 04:51.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | now to figure out this "bug" it's saying mailman's encountering |
| 04:51.32 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | at least it's trying to execute now |
| 04:59.42 | mheath | ~lart mailman |
| 05:02.58 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | woohoo! We have mailman UI |
| 05:03.10 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | had to change perms in about 5 million places |
| 05:03.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | not sure why Fedora's distro doesn't do that for you |
| 05:03.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I think that's more mailman's fault though |
| 05:10.50 | ScytheBlade1 | How can I tell tcpdump to output a log that ethereal can open? |
| 05:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | never mind, -C wins |
| 05:21.05 | mheath | agh, I have blisters all over my feet... |
| 05:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, I just realized that the capture device has all of 20MB free |
| 05:29.17 | ScytheBlade1 | buhahaha |
| 05:29.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ssh -l root 192.168.0.1 "tcpdump -i ath0 -w -" >> packetlog |
| 05:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | mmmm that is useful |
| 05:33.10 | ScytheBlade1 | running tcpdump on a remote machine, dumping all output to stdout, and then saving stdout on a remote machine via SSH |
| 05:36.04 | nick125_lappy | mmm |
| 05:36.14 | nick125_lappy | I soo want to try to setup a PXE box |
| 05:36.52 | ScytheBlade1 | a PXE bot? |
| 05:36.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *box? |
| 05:37.00 | nick125_lappy | a diskless box |
| 05:37.06 | nick125_lappy | just for the heck of it |
| 05:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I know |
| 05:37.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I also might be the owner of ##pxe on freenode, and #pxe :) |
| 05:37.30 | nick125_lappy | really? :D |
| 05:37.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Really really |
| 05:37.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Said channel might have a link to a wiki which I filled with content |
| 05:39.39 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, I setup a PXE boot |
| 05:39.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | its not that hard |
| 05:39.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | just getting a working initrd/kernel is |
| 05:40.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I would go as far as to say it's all stupidly easy |
| 05:41.18 | nick125_lappy | I just need to get a box to test it on.. |
| 05:43.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | ScytheBlade1, not always |
| 05:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_newlapp, no, always :) |
| 05:46.35 | xbmodder_newlapp | some boxes just refuse to boot |
| 05:46.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | or freeze up |
| 05:46.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't see how that would be PXE's problem, though :) |
| 06:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | How do I do a 'next match' in less? |
| 06:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got a man page up, I hit /, type in a term to search for |
| 06:05.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Now do I jump to the next one? |
| 06:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | *How |
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| 06:08.27 | tene | ScytheBlade1: 'n' |
| 06:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | tene: thanks :) |
| 06:08.38 | tene | 'N' to search backwards. |
| 06:09.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So simple, so useful |
| 06:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks again :) |
| 06:09.08 | tene | np |
| 06:42.14 | tene | le finti be la kiumeil cu traji ke menli bilma |
| 06:42.37 | xbmodder_newlapp | ? |
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| 12:57.06 | sjansen | ~rlart |
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| 12:57.14 | sjansen | ~cook redbeard1 |
| 12:57.15 | ibot | ACTION throws redbeard1 in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks redbeard1 on 350 for an hour |
| 12:58.50 | sjansen | *sigh* I don't feel like working today. |
| 12:59.14 | sjansen | Maybe I could send all might students home, tell them to read the book and email me if they have any questions... |
| 13:16.38 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 13:17.06 | elg | sjansen: you can all go to a movie. one with computer graphics |
| 13:17.13 | elg | then discuss how you'd do the CG with bash |
| 13:18.40 | elg | bruce eckel responded to my blog entry saying that you *can* duck type in C++ and cites http://mindview.net/WebLog/log-0052 |
| 13:18.41 | brac | [Bruce Eckel's MindView, Inc: 3-22-04 How to Argue about Typing] |
| 13:18.53 | elg | I have to read it still |
| 13:19.03 | goozbach | sjansen: which class? |
| 13:19.22 | goozbach | you could just sit in the front of the class |
| 13:19.40 | goozbach | and let them figure it out |
| 13:19.53 | goozbach | tell them to ask queestions if they have any |
| 13:20.29 | goozbach | then, put on your best look-of-distain and sigh heavily whenever you have to get up from your IRC session to answer a question |
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| 13:58.32 | sjansen | goozbach: 033 |
| 13:59.21 | elg | ~rlart |
| 13:59.37 | elg | sjansen: is that a class about wierd permissions? |
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| 14:21.27 | vontrapp | ~fry elg |
| 14:21.29 | ibot | ACTION grabs elg and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 14:21.35 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 14:21.41 | vontrapp | ~discombobulate elg |
| 14:21.57 | redbeard1 | ~dog elg |
| 14:21.58 | ibot | ACTION stares at elg until elg whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 14:24.25 | vontrapp | ~pick maquis |
| 14:24.43 | redbeard1 | maquis: he started it. |
| 14:24.46 | redbeard1 | no, wait. sjansen did. |
| 14:24.50 | elg | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 14:25.06 | sjansen | Heh. |
| 14:25.14 | elg | ~cook maquis |
| 14:25.16 | ibot | ACTION throws maquis in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks maquis on 350 for an hour |
| 14:25.16 | sjansen | I was having a hard time retracting the projector screen. |
| 14:25.24 | sjansen | Suddenly, the screen just shot up. |
| 14:25.40 | sjansen | It it the case so hard it pulled a screw out of the wall. |
| 14:25.48 | sjansen | And fell down onto the floor. |
| 14:25.51 | elg | sjansen: this is where you practice your whistle |
| 14:25.54 | sjansen | Leaving a hole in the plaster. |
| 14:25.57 | redbeard1 | is that Jayce^ slacker finally here? |
| 14:26.00 | Jayce^ | no |
| 14:26.04 | elg | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 14:26.21 | sjansen | My literally spent two or three minutes laughing. |
| 14:26.22 | redbeard1 | ~hex Jayce^ |
| 14:26.22 | ibot | Jayce^ is 4A 61 79 63 65 5E |
| 14:26.28 | Jayce^ | you know those mornings where you "wake up" and you are still so tired it's as if you *can't* actually wake up? |
| 14:26.39 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: yeah. that was this morning. |
| 14:26.52 | vontrapp | yep |
| 14:26.58 | elg | sjansen: your did? |
| 14:26.58 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 14:27.11 | elg | redbeard1 and Jayce^ were out partying last night |
| 14:27.16 | vontrapp | that's when i know i need to adjust either my bedtime or my waketime |
| 14:27.19 | sjansen | s/My/My class/ |
| 14:27.32 | vontrapp | his literally |
| 14:28.03 | Jayce^ | elg, you have no idea |
| 14:28.40 | vontrapp | wow, in the online thesaurus under 'information' is 'hot poop' |
| 14:29.02 | elg | -1 Informative |
| 14:29.46 | maquis | sjansen: where'd you do this? |
| 14:31.38 | redbeard1 | ~lobotomy |
| 14:31.40 | ibot | I feel different somehow. |
| 14:34.53 | sjansen | maquis: Ft. Luaderdale, FL, Excutrain, A room right next to the receptionist's desk. |
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| 14:35.25 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you gotta get a picture of it on the ground for your blog |
| 14:35.31 | goozbach | Jayce^: I'm having on of those mornings myself |
| 14:35.39 | goozbach | s/on/one/ |
| 14:36.04 | goozbach | I was taking my shirt off to get into the shower this morning and caught my hand in the celing fan. |
| 14:36.19 | Jayce^ | ooh |
| 14:36.50 | vontrapp | with a shirt over his head, no less |
| 14:37.03 | Jayce^ | I stumbled out of bed towards the shower, started falling over and hit the doorway to the bathroom with my shoulder... all in about 4 feet |
| 14:37.29 | elg | i did alright this morning, thanks to the existence of peanut butter cookies |
| 14:37.43 | goozbach | Then, I slipped getting into the shower, and landed halfway in, bruising my inner thigh on the track fo rthe shower door |
| 14:37.58 | goozbach | s/o r/or / |
| 14:38.27 | goozbach | thanks heaven for the search and replace function |
| 14:38.39 | goozbach | s/thanks heaven/thank heavens/ |
| 14:39.05 | goozbach | if it wasn't for that function I'd never bee a good speller |
| 14:39.08 | goozbach | s/bee/be/ |
| 14:39.12 | goozbach | :( |
| 14:39.19 | goozbach | s/(/)/ |
| 14:39.26 | goozbach | heh |
| 14:40.09 | redbeard1 | ~karma goozbach |
| 14:40.09 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 3 |
| 14:40.21 | elg | ~goozbach++ |
| 14:40.30 | sjansen | ~elg-- |
| 14:40.32 | redbeard1 | ~karma goozbach |
| 14:40.32 | ibot | goozbach has karma of 4 |
| 14:40.41 | elg | ~sjansen-=20 |
| 14:40.44 | sjansen | Jayce^** |
| 14:40.53 | redbeard1 | ~karma sjansen |
| 14:40.53 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 2 |
| 14:40.58 | redbeard1 | ~karma elg |
| 14:40.58 | ibot | elg has neutral karma |
| 14:40.59 | sjansen | elg^-500 |
| 14:41.11 | Jayce^ | ~karma Jayce^ |
| 14:41.11 | ibot | jayce^ has karma of 4 |
| 14:41.19 | elg | Jayce^32 |
| 14:41.31 | redbeard1 | ~karma Jayce^-=4 |
| 14:41.31 | ibot | jayce^-=4 has neutral karma |
| 14:41.32 | sjansen | ~sjansen++ |
| 14:41.42 | redbeard1 | ~Jayce^-=4 |
| 14:41.48 | goozbach | ~karma sjansen |
| 14:41.48 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 2 |
| 14:41.48 | redbeard1 | ~karma Jayce^ |
| 14:41.48 | ibot | jayce^ has karma of 4 |
| 14:41.56 | elg | -rps rock |
| 14:41.56 | brac | scissors. You win. |
| 14:42.04 | {-} | ~sjansen++ |
| 14:42.05 | elg | ~karma {-} |
| 14:42.05 | ibot | {-} has neutral karma |
| 14:42.10 | elg | ~{-}-- |
| 14:42.11 | goozbach | ~karma sjansen |
| 14:42.11 | ibot | sjansen has karma of 3 |
| 14:42.42 | elg | ~rlart |
| 14:43.37 | *** part/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 14:43.44 | redbeard1 | nickometer m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 14:43.50 | redbeard1 | ~nickometer m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 14:44.05 | redbeard1 | hey, it IS accurate! |
| 14:44.54 | sjansen | ~maqus-2*(3^42) |
| 14:45.26 | redbeard1 | sjansen: i think you have to spell her name right for it to work |
| 14:45.44 | sjansen | ~redbeard1-3 |
| 14:45.51 | goozbach | 218837978263024718418 |
| 14:45.51 | redbeard1 | ~karma redbeard1 |
| 14:45.51 | ibot | redbeard1 has neutral karma |
| 14:46.03 | sjansen | ~karma redbeard-2 |
| 14:46.03 | ibot | redbeard-2 has neutral karma |
| 14:49.58 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~nickometer redbeard1 |
| 14:50.13 | sjansen | elg: I enjoyed the part about Eckel's confusion over the meaning of Duck Typing |
| 14:50.15 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it least he's somewhat lame :-) |
| 14:50.23 | redbeard1 | ~lart m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 14:50.34 | sjansen | It's a shame people judge Ruby without knowing it. |
| 14:50.45 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~nickometer {-} |
| 14:50.53 | sjansen | Leave it to a Python programmer to take something simple and make it too complicated. |
| 14:50.56 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | hah! {-} is more lame than I am! |
| 14:50.57 | redbeard1 | ~lobotomy Ruby |
| 14:50.59 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on Ruby |
| 14:52.01 | elg | sjansen: :) |
| 14:55.30 | sjansen | Well, looks like starting with 10.2, the Open SUSE project will be producing openSUSE instead of SUSE Linux. |
| 14:55.54 | sjansen | *sigh* Why does SUSE/SuSE/etc. insist on making things so complicated? |
| 14:56.00 | sjansen | They're almost as bad as Sun. |
| 14:56.08 | elg | sounds like the grounds for a 10-paragraph post by morris |
| 14:56.19 | elg | complete with lizards |
| 14:56.37 | Jayce^ | elg++ |
| 14:56.59 | redbeard1 | elg++ |
| 14:57.13 | redbeard1 | now THAT was funny |
| 14:58.42 | goozbach | hmm morris |
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| 14:59.26 | goozbach | muck morris -- Chuck Norris' dweeby, skinny, pale half-brother |
| 14:59.38 | goozbach | buck morris |
| 14:59.42 | goozbach | even better |
| 15:04.26 | maquis | goozbach: sounds like a crazy morning |
| 15:04.38 | maquis | need to be careful about those ceiling fans... and doorways... and showers |
| 15:06.51 | redbeard1 | cookie |
| 15:06.56 | redbeard1 | ~cookie |
| 15:08.37 | maquis | huh? |
| 15:08.42 | redbeard1 | ~cookie |
| 15:09.11 | redbeard1 | ~cookie |
| 15:09.38 | goozbach | ~cookie |
| 15:10.57 | redbeard1 | ibot has a lot of factoids |
| 15:11.08 | redbeard1 | ~status |
| 15:11.09 | ibot | Since Tue Jul 4 19:09:37 2006, there have been 175 modifications, 1459 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1238 commands. I have been awake for 8d 20h 1m 31s this session, and currently reference 111171 factoids. I'm using about 18616 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 27932.7/1972.5 child 0.04/0.01 |
| 15:12.47 | maquis | 0 morons? |
| 15:12.59 | redbeard1 | apparently |
| 15:13.03 | maquis | that's impressive |
| 15:13.24 | redbeard1 | i don't think he's paying attention, personally |
| 15:14.07 | maquis | must be |
| 15:14.17 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 15:14.31 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 15:14.33 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
| 15:14.41 | vontrapp | ~moron maquis |
| 15:14.49 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 15:14.50 | maquis | -lart vontrapp |
| 15:14.59 | vontrapp | hmm, how does it get morons? |
| 15:15.12 | emcnabb | nothing like some good stress relief |
| 15:15.25 | maquis | emcnabb: how's work? |
| 15:15.32 | emcnabb | good |
| 15:16.06 | maquis | anything fun and exciting today? |
| 15:18.21 | emcnabb | not really |
| 15:19.47 | redbeard1 | ~help moron |
| 15:20.03 | redbeard1 | hrm. |
| 15:20.57 | maquis | ~moron |
| 15:20.58 | ibot | i heard moron is someone that types long lines starting with "ibot" |
| 15:21.04 | emcnabb | I think it's: |
| 15:21.10 | emcnabb | ~redbeard1 |
| 15:21.16 | maquis | ~mormon |
| 15:21.18 | ibot | it has been said that mormon is lds.org, or scarry, or moron |
| 15:21.18 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 15:22.10 | maquis | why does sudo depend on vim-minimal? |
| 15:22.25 | maquis | (in centos) |
| 15:22.34 | redbeard1 | maquis: it's obnoxious, isn't it? |
| 15:22.52 | Jayce^ | maquis, doesn't in debian :) |
| 15:23.03 | Jayce^ | but hey, why would you go without it? |
| 15:23.05 | vontrapp | maquis: becuase sudo now requires you to edit the sudoers file with 'visudo' |
| 15:25.50 | levi | Good morning! |
| 15:26.09 | redbeard1 | levi: mornin' duder |
| 15:27.24 | levi | maquis: Hmm? |
| 15:27.53 | maquis | "good" morning? |
| 15:28.09 | vontrapp | ~lart maquis |
| 15:28.18 | redbeard1 | ~morning |
| 15:28.19 | ibot | Good morning! |
| 15:28.52 | redbeard1 | hrmm. |
| 15:29.07 | redbeard1 | ~redbeard1 |
| 15:29.08 | ibot | it has been said that redbeard1 is just about the coolest guy in the world |
| 15:29.17 | maquis | ~maquis |
| 15:29.20 | ibot | I don't give that kind of information to filthy cardassian spies |
| 15:29.24 | levi | maquis: I'm expressing my hope that you will indeed have a good morning, even if you are not having a great one at present. |
| 15:29.34 | maquis | levi: but it's a morning |
| 15:29.37 | maquis | how can a morning be good |
| 15:29.48 | maquis | if it was good afternoon or good evening, i could understand that |
| 15:29.53 | maquis | or even good post-midnight |
| 15:29.58 | levi | I think you could imagine one, if you tried. |
| 15:30.00 | redbeard1 | ~maquis |
| 15:30.02 | ibot | I don't give that kind of information to filthy cardassian spies |
| 15:30.06 | redbeard1 | wow |
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| 15:30.38 | maquis | redbeard1: what's surprising? |
| 17:02.35 | *** join/#utah ibot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 17:02.35 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut/, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org | PLUG meeting Wednesday - Thayne Presents Realm Systems Hardware |
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| 17:10.13 | nick125_lappy | fun..PXE can find the DHCP server, and it sends a DHCP request, but, it doesn't send a DHCPREQUEST |
| 17:10.50 | rsimpkins | Oops. I guess you aren't allowed to join the channel '#root' |
| 17:15.21 | *** join/#utah findlay (n=justin@67.137.24.115) |
| 17:15.48 | findlay | anybody want an old HP scanner? |
| 17:17.38 | Supaplex | scsi? usb? model? |
| 17:17.48 | findlay | yes |
| 17:18.03 | findlay | HP 6200C |
| 17:18.50 | goozbach | ibot: never leave me again!!! |
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| 17:19.36 | levi | Hmm, Krispy Kreme bread pudding with butter rum sauce. |
| 17:21.26 | rsimpkins | Has anyone here donated to freenode? |
| 17:21.33 | Supaplex | findlay: sure. It has the power supply right? What about a sheet feeder? |
| 17:21.39 | findlay | I did once |
| 17:21.54 | Supaplex | supply or feeder? |
| 17:22.00 | rsimpkins | findlay: And? |
| 17:22.20 | Supaplex | oh I thought you said it. two conversations here. |
| 17:22.22 | rsimpkins | Has anyone donated to freenode for the purpose of getting a cloak? |
| 17:23.55 | findlay | Supaplex: power supply is builtin. Comes with a brand new USB cord (you know the kind with the clear PVC coating over the metallic mesh? Yeah, that kind). It is advertised to work fully with SANE, but USB is flaky, so I would reccommend using SCSI |
| 17:24.34 | findlay | rsimpkins: it gave me the option of a cloak, but I declined |
| 17:24.49 | findlay | Supaplex: no supplier or feeder |
| 17:25.31 | Supaplex | findlay: ok. I have some pretty stable scsi ones already. I think I'll stick with the one I have if usb is flakey. |
| 17:25.54 | findlay | Supaplex: what kinds do you have? |
| 17:26.17 | Supaplex | 5C mainly. I have another model that works great with sane on my mac. |
| 17:26.26 | Supaplex | usb |
| 17:26.42 | findlay | I bought this one on ebay and they were supposed to send me the 6100C with the legal sized bed but instead sent this ugly monstrosity |
| 17:27.02 | Supaplex | fooey :-/ |
| 17:27.50 | Supaplex | I think it's a 3300c or something like that |
| 17:28.05 | findlay | I haven't been watching the markets a lot, but there seem to be a few 6100C's out there for sale cheap |
| 17:28.33 | findlay | pity HP's newer scanners aren't so cheap and don't work with sane |
| 17:28.49 | Supaplex | yea, double fooey. |
| 17:28.59 | findlay | HP Linux drivers seem to be pretty good |
| 17:29.07 | findlay | but they just lost a customer |
| 17:29.12 | Supaplex | I see 5C's show up at di all the time. Always so tempting to buy one more :P |
| 17:29.26 | findlay | what size of bed? |
| 17:29.37 | findlay | (s) |
| 17:29.41 | findlay | which DI? |
| 17:29.50 | Supaplex | Layton |
| 17:29.58 | findlay | maybe I should frequent di more |
| 17:30.59 | findlay | all I need is a scanner that can fit legal sized pages |
| 17:31.05 | Supaplex | If you want a 5C, you can come pick it up. Since I picked up the 3300c etc, I have no need for this many scsi ones. |
| 17:31.15 | findlay | what size? |
| 17:31.52 | Supaplex | not sure :) might be legal. I'm asking professor google. |
| 17:32.30 | findlay | Supaplex: you don't know your scanners very intimately then? |
| 17:32.31 | findlay | (: |
| 17:33.12 | macnewbold | <ot>in case anyone here is a supporter of Pete Ashdown for senate, and hasn't yet voted for him to win a bunch of much-needed campaign money, go to www.barbaraboxer.com/vote and do your thing. He's got 11% of the vote currently, while the leader is only at 17%.</ot> |
| 17:33.34 | findlay | macnewbold: already voted |
| 17:33.52 | findlay | but that poll looks so easy to manipulate |
| 17:34.06 | Supaplex | http://winterwolf.co.uk/hpsj5p |
| 17:34.09 | findlay | I mean as a voter with lots of fake vots |
| 17:35.13 | findlay | almost as easy to stuff a diebold voting "machine" |
| 17:36.15 | Supaplex | or a 1x1 pixel iframe to vote off the xmission page ;) haha |
| 17:36.27 | sjansen | maquis: What's _on_ topic around here? |
| 17:36.44 | Supaplex | anything not off topic |
| 17:36.49 | findlay | maquis should know I guess |
| 17:36.56 | findlay | ~on topic |
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| 17:37.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ack! another e-mail from Barbara Boxer! I said I didn't want to be on a list! |
| 17:37.46 | sjansen | So, anyway, I was in the Utah back country when I had to adjust my frobnicator. All I had was a box of green jello, so I made like a bee (deseret, get it?) and called my wives for help. |
| 17:38.00 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Pete Ashdown has 11% |
| 17:38.09 | levi | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: You can unsubscribe from the link in the bottom of the emails. |
| 17:38.32 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | levi: that's not the point though - I unsubscribed when I checked the link saying I didn't want to be on their list |
| 17:38.47 | findlay | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: not only that but it looks like spam: "Dear friend ..." |
| 17:38.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | not sure what the point was to that checkbox if I'm still on their list |
| 17:38.57 | levi | I think there are two lists. |
| 17:39.03 | Supaplex | to confirm you :) |
| 17:39.24 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | stupid democrats |
| 17:39.27 | levi | I unsubscribed from the link at the bottom of the first email I got, and I haven't got another since. |
| 17:39.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | :-) |
| 17:39.47 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | stupid republicans too, but I haven't signed up for one of their lists |
| 17:40.21 | findlay | scanners are way too expensive these days |
| 17:40.45 | rsimpkins | I'm going to register as a Democrat AND Republican... a Republicrat. |
| 17:40.56 | findlay | who would pay $1,321.99 for a plain old scanner? |
| 17:41.17 | rsimpkins | findlay: Is it gold plated? |
| 17:41.42 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I'm making my own party |
| 17:41.43 | findlay | nope. In fact it has the conventional grey plastic look |
| 17:41.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | the "Dukes of Hazzard" party |
| 17:42.33 | rsimpkins | findlay: Probably doesn't cost as much as a drum scanner though. |
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| 17:42.41 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 17:42.43 | findlay | probably |
| 17:43.21 | levi | elg: http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf |
| 17:43.44 | levi | elg: You might find that interesting. It's about programming aptitude. |
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| 17:44.28 | elg | cool, I'll check it out |
| 17:44.54 | vontrapp | -lart leg |
| 17:44.57 | vontrapp | bah |
| 17:48.43 | nick125_lappy | blah |
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| 17:56.20 | elg | levi: wow this is pretty bold: We point out that |
| 17:56.20 | elg | programming teaching is useless for those who are bound to fail and pointless for those who are |
| 17:56.23 | elg | certain to succeed. |
| 17:56.48 | ^Migs^ | how do I set up an automatic mount when Linux starts up? I'm looking at autofs but I'm not sure that's right |
| 17:56.52 | ^Migs^ | what file do I need to configure? |
| 17:57.03 | vontrapp | /etc/fstab |
| 17:57.16 | redbeard1 | what does it mean to wear a cloak in irc? |
| 17:57.23 | ^Migs^ | oh, thanks |
| 17:57.30 | elg | redbeard1: it means you're loony |
| 17:57.38 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 17:58.09 | ^Migs^ | it seems that only updates mount points in /media. I want to update a mount point in /mnt. |
| 17:58.32 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: what do you mean update? |
| 17:58.38 | ^Migs^ | fstab-sync |
| 17:58.47 | ^Migs^ | fstab is only editable with fstab-sync, isn't it? |
| 17:59.21 | ^Migs^ | cool, never mind then |
| 17:59.30 | ^Migs^ | I was just reading that in the fstab comments, and the man |
| 17:59.34 | vontrapp | maybe fstab-sync just wraps it then mounts anything new you put in it |
| 18:00.17 | ^Migs^ | can I put usernames and passwords in fstab, too? |
| 18:00.38 | ^Migs^ | like if I have an external filesystem that I would normally smbmount |
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| 18:01.39 | findlay | ^Migs^: you may want an automounting utility in that case |
| 18:02.01 | ^Migs^ | what automounting utility would be preferrable? |
| 18:02.08 | findlay | which probably needs an entry in /etc/fstab anyway |
| 18:02.21 | findlay | it's been a long time since I tinkered with that |
| 18:02.56 | findlay | the one I used had worse configuration voodoo than sendmail |
| 18:02.57 | ^Migs^ | okey dokey |
| 18:03.01 | nick125_lappy | grr... |
| 18:04.35 | findlay | don't remember what it was called |
| 18:06.38 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: if you're always connected to the target host then i believe you could just use fstab |
| 18:09.10 | vontrapp | ^Migs^: i just tested it, you can |
| 18:10.02 | vontrapp | just put other,options,username=goozbach,password=youdontwanttoseethis |
| 18:10.35 | vontrapp | leave other,options as the other mount options you want |
| 18:14.19 | ^Migs^ | oh sweet |
| 18:14.20 | ^Migs^ | thanks |
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| 18:29.23 | elg | -lart crazy content filters |
| 18:30.41 | vontrapp | what about crazy content? |
| 18:30.45 | vontrapp | -lart crazy content |
| 18:41.16 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cabalonline.com/ |
| 18:41.18 | brac | [CABAL Online - The Revolution of Action] |
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| 18:58.50 | elg_ | http://www.505sos.com/written_works/messages/music_biz.htm |
| 18:58.53 | brac | [SOS- Music Biz 101] |
| 18:59.51 | levi | elg: It is pretty bold, but they do have a point. I've tried teaching programming to some hopeless cases before. It's... pretty hopeless. |
| 19:01.43 | levi | Not due to any lack of intelligence, either. They just couldn't 'get' programming. |
| 19:04.05 | levi | And some who can handle very mechanical sort of programming just weren't able to grasp more abstract things like recursion. |
| 19:04.20 | elg | i agree there is aptitude for it |
| 19:04.23 | vontrapp | hmm, how to do table cellpadding in css |
| 19:04.32 | elg | and it may be mostly hopeless to try to turn them into real programmers |
| 19:04.44 | elg | but the flip side of that comment: that programming classes are pointless for the people that do get it |
| 19:04.47 | sjansen | redbeard1: An IRC cloak hides your IP address so that script kiddies have harder time p0wnz3r-ing you. |
| 19:04.51 | elg | I'm not sure of that |
| 19:05.09 | elg | and i think there's people in the middle |
| 19:05.24 | elg | I seriously doubt programming aptitude is a binary condition |
| 19:05.45 | vontrapp | i'm freakin amazing at programming and i still learn tons from classes! |
| 19:05.49 | elg | otoh, if it is then I have the same aptitude for programming as Linus, and that's a nice thought |
| 19:06.23 | nick125_lappy | woo, I almost got PXE working |
| 19:06.23 | sjansen | vontrapp: The w3c docs are you friends. |
| 19:06.33 | sjansen | Assuming you have an aptitude for reading standards docs. |
| 19:06.47 | sjansen | If you don't, you might as well give up, you're hopeless. |
| 19:07.13 | vontrapp | sjansen: all i ever get from there is attributes for <table x=...> |
| 19:07.19 | vontrapp | i can't find the css equivalent |
| 19:07.43 | levi | elg: Well, the article was specifically speaking to intro to programming classes. You can certainly create meaningful classes when everyone has aptitude. |
| 19:08.31 | vontrapp | then the point of the intro class becomes discovering if you have the aptitude |
| 19:08.50 | vontrapp | so it's still not entirely pointless |
| 19:08.51 | levi | (I'm not sure I completely buy their argument that it's completely hopeless, but it is at least really, really hard.) |
| 19:09.07 | sjansen | I'm willing to buy "spending a week explaining looping is a waste of time". I'm not willing to buy "either your born understanding functional programming or your not". |
| 19:09.09 | levi | vontrapp: Well, the paper argues that it's a waste of time, when you could administer the simple test they've developed instead. |
| 19:09.30 | sjansen | If you don't understand recursion within an hour or two, you probably never will. |
| 19:09.48 | sjansen | If you don't understand recursive proofs in a week or so, you probably never will. |
| 19:10.15 | sjansen | If you don't understand why levi likes emacs, buddy join the club. |
| 19:10.19 | levi | With a flash of synchronicity, I was also given an article in a recent EE Times that talked about possible genetic basis to the sort of reasoning that programming and engineering requires. |
| 19:10.23 | vontrapp | but recursive programming i get |
| 19:10.43 | sjansen | vontrapp: Yes, but you understand the basic idea. |
| 19:10.44 | levi | I understand recursive proofs, but I have trouble coming up with them sometimes. |
| 19:10.55 | vontrapp | levi: yes, that's my problem |
| 19:11.04 | levi | vontrapp: I suspect that's pretty normal. :) |
| 19:12.04 | sjansen | After doing recursive proofs in CS, all of the recursive proofs in my calculus class seemed like childs play. |
| 19:12.04 | vontrapp | if you don't understand sjansen, don't worry, you can't |
| 19:12.44 | sjansen | You meen we get to work with numbers instead of arbitrary, abstract data structures? Score! |
| 19:14.18 | levi | Apparently there's an 8-level 'systemizing' scale. At level one, you cope easily with rapid, unlawful change but you have low detail when working with structured information. At level 8, you are highly autistic, you hyper-systemize, and you can't cope with unlawful change. |
| 19:15.07 | vontrapp | -urls |
| 19:15.07 | brac | [2006/07/13 12:58:53] <elg_> http://www.505sos.com/written_works/messages/music_biz.htm |
| 19:15.07 | brac | [2006/07/13 12:41:18] <^Migs^> http://www.cabalonline.com/ |
| 19:15.07 | brac | [2006/07/13 11:43:30] <levi> http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf |
| 19:15.08 | brac | [2006/07/13 11:34:07] <Supaplex> http://winterwolf.co.uk/hpsj5p |
| 19:15.09 | levi | Level 5 is Asperger's syndrome. |
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| 19:16.00 | levi | And your systemizing abiilty is genetically determined. |
| 19:16.54 | levi | It would seem that ability to program is tied in with this systemizing ability, which would explain the results found in the paper. |
| 19:23.05 | bonez41 | how would one back up a remote web folder? I have a web that I watch for my wife's business...I want to just do a back, en masse of all the folders and files on the host....to my local system... |
| 19:23.28 | bonez41 | I tried ftp, but then discovered that I have to go to each folder, and back it up and then back out, and go to next...etc... |
| 19:23.29 | levi | Hmm, anyone heard about Blue Pill? |
| 19:23.37 | bonez41 | viagra? |
| 19:23.42 | levi | No. |
| 19:23.48 | levi | Not that blue pill. |
| 19:24.12 | levi | It's a proof-of-concept undetectable rootkit. |
| 19:24.16 | sjansen | bonez41: rsync + ssh |
| 19:24.52 | bonez41 | sjansen, ok..I have run rsync before, and use ssh all the time... |
| 19:25.12 | sjansen | levi: Oh, yes, the hypervisor root kit that can supposedly subvert an OS and persist without any help from the OS. |
| 19:25.20 | bonez41 | any specific examples...of what to run |
| 19:25.23 | levi | sjansen: Yeah. |
| 19:25.26 | sjansen | s/OS./OS?/ |
| 19:25.46 | sjansen | bonez39: google, it's a very common setup, you'll find more info than you need/want |
| 19:26.42 | bonez41 | ok... |
| 19:31.37 | levi | Blog by the author of Blue Pill: http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/ |
| 19:31.38 | brac | [invisiblethings] |
| 19:32.52 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: dude, i need your expertise |
| 19:32.57 | redbeard1 | never thought i'd be saying that |
| 19:35.41 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: i know you were in thailand for a couple of years. do they have corn there? or anything like it? |
| 19:37.12 | goozbach | vontrapp: where did you get my password!? |
| 19:37.12 | vontrapp | ~hug imms |
| 19:37.13 | ibot | ACTION hugs imms |
| 19:37.34 | redbeard1 | goozbach: it's the same as the password on his luggage |
| 19:37.37 | vontrapp | goozbach: that's for me to know and you to fret about |
| 19:38.36 | maquis | goozbach: can i have your password? |
| 19:39.12 | goozbach | 12:10 < vontrapp> just put other,options,username=goozbach,password=youdontwanttoseethis |
| 19:39.30 | maquis | as a trade... |
| 19:39.31 | goozbach | ohh thanks |
| 19:39.41 | maquis | goozbach: now i just need your password :) |
| 19:39.42 | goozbach | hey! it's just full of pickles?! |
| 19:39.51 | maquis | oh... there's the password |
| 19:39.55 | redbeard1 | pickles? are they kosher? |
| 19:40.07 | goozbach | redbeard1: nope, they've been fried in pig fat |
| 19:40.18 | redbeard1 | mmm, tasty! |
| 19:40.26 | redbeard1 | the king would be proud |
| 19:41.06 | redbeard1 | hail to the king, baby |
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| 19:50.27 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: I think you can find it, but it's rare |
| 19:51.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mainly Rice though |
| 19:51.07 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: what about that baby corn you see all the time in chinese food? |
| 19:51.23 | vontrapp | that's false, if you ask me |
| 19:51.55 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: what's false? |
| 19:52.01 | vontrapp | actually, cassandra had a dish the other day at Thai Kitchen |
| 19:52.06 | vontrapp | it had that baby corn stuff |
| 19:52.11 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: yes, that type of corn is very popular there |
| 19:52.16 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | forgot about that |
| 19:52.16 | vontrapp | (300 S in provo) |
| 19:52.29 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: what about beans? |
| 19:53.02 | redbeard1 | the musical kind |
| 19:53.05 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | beans are fairly common |
| 19:53.14 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | well, not refried, but green are popular |
| 19:53.24 | vontrapp | yellow^H^H^H^H^H^Hdirt beans? |
| 19:53.29 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | been sprouts too |
| 19:53.57 | redbeard1 | what about the musical kind? black, pinto, kidney, that _type_ of bean |
| 19:54.00 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: you've still got to try a mangos and sticky rice recipe though - you'll really like it |
| 19:54.11 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: not sure if I had any of the musical kind while I was there |
| 19:54.27 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: mangos? what other kinds of fruit do they have there? |
| 19:54.54 | vontrapp | redbeard1: i had yellow beans in cambodian food, they're kinda like a mix of soy and pinto |
| 19:55.00 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | durian, papaya, passion fruit, leche, bananas, most tropical fruits |
| 19:55.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | rambutan |
| 19:55.04 | vontrapp | except the texture is like dirt |
| 19:55.09 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: you were in cambodia? really? |
| 19:55.28 | vontrapp | redbeard1: no, just california, but amongst the cambodians |
| 19:55.40 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | New Cambodia |
| 19:55.55 | vontrapp | for reals |
| 19:56.33 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I hear Laos, Vietnam, and Burma are back in the Thailand mission now |
| 19:56.42 | redbeard1 | see, here's my thing. i heard mario batali say once that his nyc restaurants serve the type of thing you might expect an italian to make if he suddenly found himself in new york, and only had access to local new york ingredients |
| 19:57.25 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh - you can find pretty good Thai ingredients in New York |
| 19:57.35 | redbeard1 | it made me wonder.. what if somebody who had lived in santa fe their whole life, and only knew southwestern food, suddenly found themself in thailand, and only had access to local thai ingredients? |
| 19:58.11 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: mostly, no chocolate, crappy milk, no cheese, no apples or berries |
| 20:02.22 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mmm...add garlic butter to a toasted BMT with cucumbers (and any other ingredients) |
| 20:02.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | the garlic butter kind of pickles the cucumbers |
| 20:03.02 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: if he was in Bangkok though for an American wage he can get all he would get in America |
| 20:03.10 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | You just have to know where to go :-) |
| 20:03.35 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | and Kool-Aid |
| 20:03.47 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | best days of my mission :-) |
| 20:05.53 | spr | hey, can anyone get to http://python-ldap.sourceforge.net? |
| 20:06.30 | elg | spr: nope |
| 20:09.10 | elg | -lart juice |
| 20:10.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: I get it - I'm just not a big fan of American twists on Thai food. Either Thai or American for me. |
| 20:10.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | It would probably be very popular though |
| 20:11.18 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: don't worry. lots of people lead boring food lives. i won't hold that against you. |
| 20:11.19 | redbeard1 | much. |
| 20:11.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | nah - I live a very extravagant food life - I get the real deal when I go out to eat |
| 20:12.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | not many people get to experience the real thing |
| 20:12.51 | sjansen | ~quote SCOX |
| 20:13.13 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~lart APPL |
| 20:13.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | AAPL |
| 20:15.47 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: the real deal? they don't have that around here. i'm guessing you don't go out to eat much? |
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| 20:16.58 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: Ask for "Thai Style" in Thai and you'll get the real thing |
| 20:17.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Most Thais in America don't eat what you buy at the Thai restaurants |
| 20:17.33 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: So what does thai style pizza and fries taste like? ;-) |
| 20:17.41 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: no such thing |
| 20:18.13 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: why is that? |
| 20:18.23 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: How about thai style pizza? |
| 20:18.29 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: actually, you get pizza hut buffet that you dip the pizza in ketchup |
| 20:18.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | for fries depending on the location you get mcdonalds fries |
| 20:18.56 | elg | redbeard1: they have real utahn food there |
| 20:19.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | dipped in way over-used oil |
| 20:19.07 | redbeard1 | elg: that's amazing! |
| 20:19.16 | elg | in utah I mean |
| 20:19.20 | elg | I know it's hard to believe |
| 20:19.21 | redbeard1 | oh. right. |
| 20:19.23 | redbeard1 | nevermind. |
| 20:19.48 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | there's a taste to real Thai food that you just can't get at all Thai restaurants in America without knowing the owner |
| 20:20.16 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: without knowing the owner? |
| 20:20.30 | elg | is that there exists a thai restaurant in america where you can't get that taste without knowing the owner, or |
| 20:20.42 | elg | for all thai restaurants in america you can't get it without knowing the owner? |
| 20:20.43 | sjansen | without knowing if the owner is really thai and convincing him/her/it that you are worthy or real thai |
| 20:20.58 | elg | that peruvian place in orem, on state street |
| 20:20.59 | mheath | what makes pizza thai? |
| 20:21.07 | elg | I tried to talk the nice lady into making tallarines verdes |
| 20:21.11 | redbeard1 | sjansen: worthy of real thai? nice. |
| 20:21.11 | mheath | We used to have "thai chicken pizza" at applebees when I first started working there. |
| 20:21.17 | elg | she was really nice, and knew exactly what I was talking about |
| 20:21.27 | elg | but we never could seem to come to an agreement that she'd make it for me |
| 20:21.27 | mheath | Didn't seem particularly thai. |
| 20:21.27 | elg | :) |
| 20:21.39 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mheath: dipping it in ketchup |
| 20:21.39 | redbeard1 | elg: are you talking about the place just south of the mall, on state? |
| 20:21.46 | elg | I'd say, "can you make me some then", "sure, anytime mi hijo!" |
| 20:21.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | there's really no such thing as Thai pizza |
| 20:21.59 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | bread over there just isn't very good |
| 20:21.59 | elg | "ok, um, do I just call you ahead of time" |
| 20:22.03 | elg | "no, just come in" |
| 20:22.05 | sjansen | thin sliced, cheap meat, with lots of garlic |
| 20:22.06 | mheath | What drinks/snacks should I get to bring on my roadtrip? |
| 20:22.07 | elg | "ok, when do you make it" |
| 20:22.10 | mheath | anyonehave any suggestions? |
| 20:22.11 | elg | "well, we usually don't make it" |
| 20:22.16 | mheath | (Common things I can buy at walmart) |
| 20:22.18 | sjansen | Just like I had in Brazill regularily. ;-) |
| 20:22.34 | elg | redbeard1: yeah |
| 20:22.53 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: there's no such thing as "Thai Steak" - Steak is American |
| 20:22.57 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | another mixed dish |
| 20:23.01 | elg | good little place |
| 20:23.04 | Jayce^ | sjansen, that just shows you never went there, "Brazill" ... yeesh |
| 20:23.10 | mheath | sjansen, I work with a guy that served a LDS mission in Brazil. |
| 20:23.19 | elg | i heard brazil is a hoa |
| 20:23.20 | elg | x |
| 20:23.21 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I'm talking about the peruvian place now. Sheesh, keep up. Not everyone's fixated on thailand like you. :-P |
| 20:23.37 | sjansen | ~chute Jayce^ |
| 20:23.45 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: stop talking peruvian - you're confusing me ;-) |
| 20:23.54 | redbeard1 | sjansen: agreed. i'm interested in the peruvian place too. if it's the one i'm thinking of, it's right by my house |
| 20:23.57 | mheath | Interesting to see him try to talk to our Mexican staff. A bit like me trying to write in Japanese to a Chinese person. |
| 20:24.05 | macnewbold | there's a good salvadoreno place down the street from me... anyone heard of pupusas? |
| 20:24.09 | elg | redbeard1: yeah, the one just a block south of the mall |
| 20:24.16 | elg | there's one on center in provo that I never made it into too |
| 20:24.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Utah needs a good Lao place |
| 20:24.28 | Jayce^ | m{\w{5}_Jesse}, what's your deal with Turkey... talking about it like that.. nothing confusing about Turkey.... (brasileiro's entendem) |
| 20:24.30 | macnewbold | but I'd prefer argentine fare, and there aren't many of those aronud |
| 20:24.42 | elg | mheath: no, not quite like that |
| 20:24.46 | redbeard1 | oh man. i love argentine food. |
| 20:24.47 | elg | especially since you don't know japanese |
| 20:24.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Jayce^: I'm so confused! :-) |
| 20:24.52 | sjansen | Jayce^: boo |
| 20:24.57 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | my aunt is in Argentina |
| 20:25.01 | elg | I've had quite a few conversations with brazilians |
| 20:25.06 | elg | and even some portugalians |
| 20:25.10 | elg | although they mostly told us to go away |
| 20:25.15 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | My grandpa was a mission president in argentina |
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| 20:25.21 | mheath | elg: I know some Japanese. |
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| 20:25.31 | Jayce^ | are you turning japanese? |
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| 20:25.38 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: i really think so |
| 20:25.39 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | whoah! |
| 20:25.41 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh |
| 20:25.46 | redbeard1 | ~lart m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 20:25.49 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | stupid trackpad sensitivity |
| 20:25.51 | sjansen | It was a happy day when Argentina was eliminated from the world cup. |
| 20:25.54 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}-- |
| 20:26.02 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: not in argentina |
| 20:26.03 | redbeard1 | ~m{\w{5}_Jesse}-- |
| 20:26.03 | sjansen | Almost as happy as France's elimination. |
| 20:26.09 | mheath | elg, I was refering to Kanji |
| 20:26.17 | elg | mheath: ok, then. still not the same, since japanese is almost entirely unlike chinese |
| 20:26.36 | mheath | Kanji is the same in both languages. And primitive words have the same meanings. |
| 20:27.28 | sjansen | Happily, my plane landed before the end of the final game. |
| 20:27.45 | elg | sjansen: talk about insane, those penalty kicks |
| 20:27.57 | elg | i don't think a single goalie got close to blocking one |
| 20:28.09 | elg | the poor french guy just hit the pole |
| 20:28.09 | sjansen | You know your in the US when a plane lands during the penalty kick phase of the final game and only a couple of passengers stop to watch. |
| 20:28.20 | mheath | Yeah, no kidding. |
| 20:28.30 | mheath | We were watching the game while I was on my break at work |
| 20:28.42 | sjansen | First of all, that plane had no business being in the air. |
| 20:28.45 | mheath | we've got TVs up front (it *is* a bar) |
| 20:28.59 | mheath | There was like four of us going nuts, and all the other people in the restraunt were looking at us like we were crazy. |
| 20:29.02 | sjansen | Second of all, the flight attendants should have been giving regular updates. |
| 20:29.12 | sjansen | Third, it shouldn't have so easy to get close to the TV. |
| 20:29.17 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 20:29.29 | sjansen | Fourth, when things were finally decided, the cheering was pathetic. |
| 20:30.00 | sjansen | Oh well. |
| 20:30.30 | sjansen | ~nice elg |
| 20:30.32 | ibot | ACTION lowers elg's priority |
| 20:31.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | quick survey: who here in this room is wearing shoes right now? |
| 20:31.24 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: do sandals count? |
| 20:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I am not |
| 20:31.37 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: okay - who in this room is either bearfoot or wearing sandals |
| 20:31.57 | ScytheBlade1 | barefoot, not bearfoot |
| 20:32.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sorry - spleeing is not my strong point today ;-) |
| 20:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Clearly ;) |
| 20:32.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm shoeless. |
| 20:32.26 | redbeard1 | i can't go barefoot. it's against company policy. i tried it once and got in trouble |
| 20:32.30 | mheath | elg, aren't a lot of the basic portugese words based in Spanish? |
| 20:32.36 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh |
| 20:32.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | half our company is barefoot half the time |
| 20:32.59 | elg | mheath: yes, or at least they're both based on latin |
| 20:33.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | either that or sandals |
| 20:33.04 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: buncha hippes |
| 20:33.10 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: yes, very |
| 20:33.22 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | we are even right next to a wild oats store |
| 20:33.24 | ScytheBlade1 | On the flip side, I'm at home |
| 20:33.28 | elg | spanish and portuguese can carry on a conversation as easily as an irishman and an alabaman |
| 20:33.44 | mheath | elg, so, primitives are the same in both languages. Or, at least understandable. The same is true for primitive words in the Kanji written characters. |
| 20:33.44 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | people don't go on slurpee runs here - they go on wild oats and sushi runs |
| 20:33.50 | elg | if either has practice talking to the other, absolutely no problem |
| 20:34.07 | elg | if both are idiots that don't know about the outside world, it can be amazing to watch them not communicate |
| 20:34.49 | elg | so a chinese person can walk into japan and carry on a conversation with minimal effort? |
| 20:34.53 | mheath | elg, he communicates pretty well, its just intereting to hear him. |
| 20:35.05 | redbeard1 | a sushi run in utah? i believe i was just ranting on my blog about people who think they're eating good food and really aren't |
| 20:35.07 | mheath | elg: No, they can write and convey basic concepts. |
| 20:35.15 | elg | i see |
| 20:35.19 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: oh yeah - sushi's big here |
| 20:35.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | my boss is married to a Japanese lady |
| 20:35.50 | sjansen | My boss has eaten sushi in many places across the country. |
| 20:36.01 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: i've had good sushi. enough to know that it doesn't really exist around here. |
| 20:36.09 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: agreed |
| 20:36.12 | mheath | elg, For example, the character for "Money" is the same. The character for "water" is the same, etc. |
| 20:36.20 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | there's a place down on about 2nd south in SLC that's okay |
| 20:36.22 | sjansen | He tells me that while there is a lot of bad sushi in Utah, surprisingly, one the local restraunts ranks in the top 5 he's eaten at. |
| 20:36.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | at least when my boss was with me |
| 20:36.34 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: and you thought i'd be *happy* working there? |
| 20:36.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | he was speaking Japanese with the owner so I don't know what I was having |
| 20:36.38 | sjansen | I have to take his word for it. I don't understand why people enjoy sushi so much. |
| 20:36.55 | mheath | The written langugage used to be identical between the two countries - Japan and China historically went through a set of culturual mergers, where they kinda adopted the traits of the other. |
| 20:37.03 | elg | mheath: I don't know either chinese or japanese, but it sounds like the similarity between portuguese and spanish is much higher |
| 20:37.16 | sjansen | I think it was Tsunami he was talking about, but I don't remember for sure. |
| 20:37.39 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I have to be in a certain mood for sushi |
| 20:37.48 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: drunk? |
| 20:38.03 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: desperate? |
| 20:38.08 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: starving? |
| 20:38.12 | redbeard1 | mheath: not entirely true. kanji is strictly chinese. the japanese didn't begin to adopt it until approx 100ad, and it didn't become common until 300-400ad. |
| 20:38.25 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh - most people do have their sushi with saki, which is why I probably usually don't like it |
| 20:38.35 | redbeard1 | even then, the japanese used it (incorrectly) for phonetics most of the time, until about 700ad |
| 20:38.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | but for some reason some times it's really good (and I don't drink) |
| 20:38.47 | redbeard1 | hiragana didn't surface until after 1100ad |
| 20:39.05 | mheath | redbeard1, yes, but at one time Japanese was pretty much synced with China's Kanji dialect. |
| 20:39.44 | redbeard1 | mheath: kind of. they adopted it, and occassionally used it as intended, but it was frequently used the way the kana is used today |
| 20:40.11 | mheath | Yes, I know. |
| 20:41.21 | sjansen | You know what they say: If it ain't [Brazilian] it's [bad word]. |
| 20:42.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Chinese? |
| 20:42.24 | mheath | I need to learn more Japanese :' |
| 20:42.26 | mheath | :( |
| 20:43.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~/o I think I'm turning Japanese! I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so! ~/o |
| 20:43.19 | ibot | ACTION sings with m{\w{5}_jesse} |
| 20:43.41 | redbeard1 | ~lart m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 20:43.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mheath: nah - we'll all be owned by the Chinese some day |
| 20:44.21 | mheath | screw that. |
| 20:45.13 | mheath | Sigh. Why does it seem like we're constantly inching towards war with North Korea? |
| 20:45.43 | Jayce^ | because that's what they want... |
| 20:45.44 | elg | probably has to do with a dictator in north korea |
| 20:45.59 | Jayce^ | and we've been stalling the inevitable for 30+ years |
| 20:46.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mheath: because we are |
| 20:47.11 | mheath | Not like any of you have anything to worry about, really. |
| 20:47.29 | mheath | They still can't touch the continental states. Or even Hawaii or Alaska. |
| 20:48.03 | Jayce^ | mheath, they don't need to |
| 20:48.11 | Jayce^ | they just want to lay waste to japan |
| 20:48.16 | Jayce^ | a) getting "vengance" |
| 20:48.32 | Jayce^ | b) causing the us to assist the japanese SDF |
| 20:48.40 | Jayce^ | c) thus causing a US/chinese war |
| 20:48.42 | Jayce^ | again |
| 20:48.47 | mheath | And I'm going to be the front line of defense stopping that from happening. |
| 20:50.40 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I think we'll go to war w/ Iran first though |
| 20:50.53 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | N Korea will be the Japan of WWII |
| 20:51.17 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | especially if Lebanon transfers these Israeli soldiers to Iran |
| 20:51.40 | mheath | There was an editorial in the newspaper a few days ago... |
| 20:52.26 | mheath | Talking about how if these invents do unfold like that....War with Iran, war with North Korea.... |
| 20:52.40 | mheath | We're already well into what the history books will remember as World War III. |
| 20:53.19 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Well, it's beginning - I don't think we're fully there yet |
| 20:54.34 | mheath | We're at war with Afghanistan and Iraq.......Israel just invaded Lebanon... |
| 20:55.31 | mheath | North Korea is testing missiles, china is participating in an unprecidented arms buildup and issueing renewed threats against Taiwan |
| 20:56.07 | mheath | Iran is ignoring our problems with their nuclear program, and constantly growing more threatening. |
| 20:56.24 | mheath | It's begun. |
| 20:57.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mheath: it's leading up to it. I still don't think we're there yet until Israel attacks Iran or Korea attacks someone else |
| 20:57.34 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | this is more like the days of the Korean war or Vietnam war |
| 20:58.14 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | all those were a piece of the Cold War, which wasn't considered a World War |
| 21:03.30 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 21:05.35 | elg | i hope ibot is getting ready to amputate that [Utah] |
| 21:07.49 | sjansen | elg/levi: Re: teaching CS, I didn't much like my first CS professor, but I will be eternally grateful to him for one thing |
| 21:08.18 | sjansen | He let me test out of the class early instead of enduring endless discussion of the for loop and functions and object oriented programming. |
| 21:08.20 | sjansen | In pascal. |
| 21:09.48 | tene | My girl took an introductory CS course down at SUU. |
| 21:10.06 | tene | From what she told me of it, it's... scary. |
| 21:10.23 | tene | The professor had a very strong accent, and started off with gui programming in java. |
| 21:10.33 | tene | With some weird IDE. |
| 21:10.36 | elg | sjansen,levi: the profs that usually teach this course would probably have a heart attack the way I'm teaching it |
| 21:11.05 | elg | not that I'm doing anything very radical |
| 21:11.47 | tene | elg: what's so blasphemous about your curriculum? |
| 21:12.02 | sjansen | teaching pointers to beginners |
| 21:12.26 | tene | Pointers were covered in my first CS class... |
| 21:12.27 | sjansen | novices aren't worth of pointers, they cause premature baldness if you don't prepare students by teaching Java first |
| 21:13.07 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I never understood pointers until I took C++ Java just confused me |
| 21:13.15 | elg | tene: yup, the other teacher I talked to said something like "I'm happy if they understand arrays a little bit at the end" |
| 21:13.22 | tene | ... |
| 21:13.26 | tene | *blinkblink* |
| 21:13.27 | elg | and I intend to give them pointers, arrays, |
| 21:13.39 | tene | Then... what do you cover for the rest of the semester? |
| 21:13.43 | tene | random libraries and APIs? |
| 21:13.54 | elg | no, just things more basic than arrays |
| 21:14.26 | tene | So how do you spend three weeks on "assigning variables" while keeping it more basic than that? |
| 21:14.32 | tene | I think I'm confused. |
| 21:14.33 | elg | got me. I'm not even going to try |
| 21:14.38 | tene | 'kay |
| 21:14.41 | sjansen | Like strings... no, wait, those are arrays. |
| 21:14.46 | elg | most of the class finished the second lab today |
| 21:14.56 | elg | which originally was due saturday |
| 21:15.02 | tene | I'm curious to find out if you find any reasons to support the traditional methods. |
| 21:15.03 | elg | so I think I'm already going a bit too slow |
| 21:15.07 | elg | at lest with the assignments |
| 21:15.37 | sjansen | tene: I think the traditional approach is based on the fact that half your class is doomed and you don't want to make them feel too bad too quickly. |
| 21:15.56 | tene | That's... that seems really strange to me. |
| 21:16.12 | tene | Does that happen in other subjects too? |
| 21:16.19 | elg | i figure this class is the only chance most of these people are going to get at instruction in programming |
| 21:16.27 | elg | and they really truly can use it in their practical everyday life |
| 21:16.34 | elg | so I'm going to give them a subset of C that's useful |
| 21:16.40 | elg | not one where they barely understand arrays |
| 21:16.58 | tene | It seems like most other subjects try to dive in heavily right in the beginning classes. |
| 21:16.59 | elg | and otoh not one where they sit around contemplating function pointers. :) |
| 21:17.09 | sjansen | tene: Depends, but not usually. |
| 21:17.13 | tene | I can't imagine that happening in, say, Chemistry. |
| 21:17.38 | elg | my first programming class was a breeze, but some people really really struggled with it |
| 21:17.46 | tene | "I'm happy if they understand molecules a little bit by the end." |
| 21:17.48 | elg | but even I benefitted from it |
| 21:18.07 | sjansen | Programming is something that seems to be genetic. |
| 21:18.10 | elg | I don't remember exactly how, but it did |
| 21:18.17 | sjansen | Introductory chem. is just memorization. |
| 21:18.24 | emcnabb | sed question: what would be the best way to change: eth0 tg3\n eth1\n tg3 to eth0 e1000\n eth1 e1000\n |
| 21:18.31 | sjansen | It isn't until later that you have to start thinking in most other topics. |
| 21:18.33 | elg | I went from struggling with C/C++ to feeling quite comfortable |
| 21:18.41 | sjansen | Where as programming requires thinking just about immediately. |
| 21:18.47 | elg | (and it was a Pascal class. :) |
| 21:18.47 | emcnabb | I guess I could just have two sed statements, but that isn't very pretty |
| 21:19.01 | sjansen | Imagine a color blind person taking a fashion class. Some people just aren't cut out for some subjects. |
| 21:19.14 | tene | emcnabb: not just 's/tgs/e1000/g' ? |
| 21:19.20 | elg | sjansen: did you get the link to levi's article? |
| 21:19.24 | elg | er, the article levi linked to |
| 21:19.29 | emcnabb | well, I don't want it to change any other lines in the file |
| 21:19.30 | tene | -urls |
| 21:19.30 | brac | [2006/07/13 13:31:38] <levi> http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:19.30 | brac | [2006/07/13 12:58:53] <elg_> http://www.505sos.com/written_works/messages/music_biz.htm |
| 21:19.30 | brac | [2006/07/13 12:41:18] <^Migs^> http://www.cabalonline.com/ |
| 21:19.30 | brac | [2006/07/13 11:43:30] <levi> http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/research/PhDArea/saeed/paper1.pdf |
| 21:19.33 | sjansen | elg: I'm reading it, but now I wish I had the link. |
| 21:19.40 | emcnabb | just ones that start with eth0 and eth1 |
| 21:20.15 | sjansen | emcnabb: You can use addressing. |
| 21:20.22 | tene | s/eth(0|1) tg3/eth$1 e1000/ |
| 21:20.34 | sjansen | sed '/eth[01]/s/foo/bar/' |
| 21:20.56 | elg | sjansen: it's that last url |
| 21:20.59 | elg | iirc |
| 21:21.59 | sjansen | emcnabb: Are you sure there's a \n between eth1 and tg3? That seems wrong. |
| 21:22.43 | elg | levi: that Dr. Steele is off to a good start in the class. brightest one so far |
| 21:22.45 | sjansen | It looks like you're trying to update a modeprobe.conf and what you want is |
| 21:22.56 | elg | so she's probably going to grok her image processing code on schedule |
| 21:22.58 | emcnabb | sjansen: I meant to mean those are on two separate loines |
| 21:23.02 | emcnabb | lines :-) |
| 21:23.02 | sjansen | sed /^eth[01]/s/tg3/e1000/ |
| 21:23.17 | elg | that's a neat trick |
| 21:23.24 | tene | That's a very neat trick. |
| 21:23.26 | elg | useful in procmail too |
| 21:24.14 | elg | can you address any part of the line? e.g. something that comes after? |
| 21:24.24 | sjansen | sure |
| 21:24.47 | sjansen | pinfo sed for all kinds of goodness |
| 21:25.02 | sjansen | remember, sed is built on ed so you can use many vi tricks in sed scripts |
| 21:25.09 | emcnabb | sjansen: hum, it doesn't seem to work |
| 21:25.20 | sjansen | sed -e |
| 21:25.42 | emcnabb | it does |
| 21:25.46 | sjansen | You've forgotten about unix regular expressions versus extended regular expressions. sed defaults to unix. |
| 21:25.48 | emcnabb | sjansen: you rock the house |
| 21:25.56 | emcnabb | so do you elg and tene |
| 21:26.02 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 21:26.06 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 21:26.10 | emcnabb | haha! |
| 21:26.16 | emcnabb | you've fallen elg! |
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| 21:29.05 | elg | ~magneto emcnabb |
| 21:29.18 | elg | you gotta admit. his is the coolest power |
| 21:29.58 | sjansen | ~lart Delta's Web site |
| 21:30.11 | elg | could be worse. could be like plug's website |
| 21:31.40 | sjansen | If Plug's Web site were meant to choose air plane seats I promise you it would be much better than Delta's. |
| 21:39.24 | tene | "Novice declarative programmers' first hurdle appears to be argument substitution." |
| 21:39.27 | tene | What does that mean? |
| 21:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ http://qstuff.blogspot.com/2006/07/poor-electrical-layout.html |
| 21:40.29 | brac | [Q & Stuff: & Poor Electrical Layout] |
| 21:41.02 | tene | Oh. It's explained shortly after. |
| 21:41.21 | elg | tene: oh good, I was worried you didn't have the programming aptitude |
| 21:42.18 | elg | ~rimshot |
| 21:42.21 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 21:48.54 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mmm...razormaid |
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| 22:37.44 | herlo | !rlart |
| 22:37.47 | herlo | ~rlart |
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| 22:46.54 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~alart |
| 22:46.55 | ibot | LART is a luser attitude readjustment tool... proper examples include a clue-by-four, 3-phase through 10bT, or a luser prod. |
| 22:47.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~blart |
| 22:47.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~clart |
| 22:47.25 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~zlart |
| 22:47.32 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~xlart |
| 22:47.33 | ibot | it has been said that xlart is an interactive X11-based interface to the rlart(1) off-line lart spooler. |
| 22:47.54 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~slart |
| 22:59.06 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~ilart |
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| 23:03.21 | beandog | anyone up for a board game? |
| 23:04.05 | beandog | http://games.atari.com/playgames/home.jsp |
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| 23:54.07 | maquis | hmmm |
| 23:54.13 | maquis | didn't make enough rice, it looks like |
| 23:58.16 | maquis | definitely didn't make enough rice |
| 23:58.22 | maquis | mental note: make twice as much rice |