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| 01:37.44 | goozbach | ~lart checked baggage |
| 01:38.08 | goozbach | I'm playing roullette |
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| 01:38.29 | goozbach | two straight trips with checked bags |
| 01:38.37 | goozbach | wish me luck |
| 01:39.29 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 01:39.54 | elg | -rmlart <action> makes $who listen to Wagner all day |
| 01:39.55 | brac | done |
| 01:40.03 | goozbach | has anyone else had an undenaible urge to ride the luggage carosouel |
| 01:40.16 | goozbach | ? |
| 01:41.56 | elg | goozbach: undeniable |
| 01:42.01 | elg | indubitably |
| 01:43.29 | goozbach | ~lart checked baggage |
| 01:44.08 | goozbach | -lart checked baggage |
| 01:45.04 | goozbach | Jayce^: how'd yor vacation go? |
| 01:45.59 | elg | is there some kind of perl standard templating thing that's always installed with perl? |
| 01:46.00 | goozbach | methinks that ten days of mountain air was a few too many |
| 01:46.12 | goozbach | templating? |
| 01:46.25 | goozbach | ala web? |
| 01:47.07 | elg | yeah |
| 01:47.15 | elg | a simple "stick this there" sort of thing |
| 01:51.33 | goozbach | cgi::fasttemplate? |
| 01:52.54 | goozbach | doesnt exactly ship but its just a cpan away |
| 01:53.40 | goozbach | yeah tally! |
| 01:53.53 | goozbach | home sweet home |
| 01:54.23 | goozbach | now to meet my new roommate |
| 02:03.21 | Supaplex | elg: as in core? it's pretty much make your own at that level. |
| 02:04.23 | elg | cpan away is too far |
| 02:04.31 | elg | i guess I have ruby on the other end after all |
| 02:04.33 | elg | so erb |
| 02:04.44 | elg | which is part of the stdlib |
| 02:05.13 | Supaplex | $foo =~ s/__PFM__/blah/g |
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| 02:17.54 | elg | anyone in the mood to proofread a syllabus? |
| 02:17.55 | elg | http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~hfugal/cs167/syllabus.html |
| 02:21.55 | Supaplex | seems ok, at first glance. |
| 02:24.52 | Supaplex | hummm tcpdump on the wlan interface shows traffic, but I don't see any of my own. |
| 02:26.14 | amcnabb | The 2nd paragraph under Projects doesn't quite seem to add up right. |
| 02:26.52 | elg | ah, the "last 10%" throwing you |
| 02:27.01 | elg | it's meant to refer to the style 10% just mentioned |
| 02:27.46 | amcnabb | I'd say "an additional 10%" where it says "f you follow the style and submission guidelines precisely you will get 10% credit" |
| 02:28.01 | amcnabb | Or something like that. |
| 02:28.15 | amcnabb | Overall the syllabus looks good. |
| 02:33.01 | tene | There was discussion about Zions Bank earlier today. |
| 02:33.14 | Supaplex | only one? |
| 02:33.15 | tene | I can't get the 'login' thing to come up at all on the webpage now. |
| 02:33.30 | tene | That's... upsetting. |
| 02:34.03 | tene | It just stalls on "transferring data" |
| 02:41.55 | tene | Okay, it finally loaded. |
| 02:41.59 | tene | I guess it's just... slow. |
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| 03:06.24 | elg | man, this netlibrary thing is so stupid |
| 03:06.52 | elg | if you don't finish reading the page within so many minutes it times you out and takes you to a page that says "The previous session has timed out. A new session has been started for you." |
| 03:07.09 | elg | well that's nice of you, but you then don't give me a link to where I was, and the back button doesn't work either |
| 03:09.28 | tene | ouch |
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| 03:16.42 | elg | but if you get the original url it loads right up |
| 03:16.58 | elg | so it times you out, logs you in automatically (you don't have to reauth) and leaves you high and dry |
| 03:17.03 | elg | for no reason at all. duh |
| 03:22.58 | beandog | any perl gurus in here? |
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| 03:26.26 | elg | man I wish I could remember makefile globbing |
| 03:26.44 | levi_ | 167/467? How's that work? |
| 03:30.20 | elg | 467 is a grad course |
| 03:30.31 | elg | the grad students have to do something extra or harder or whatever |
| 03:30.42 | elg | but otherwise it's the same class |
| 03:30.52 | levi_ | For grads who somehow never got any C instruction before? |
| 03:31.05 | elg | grads from other majors |
| 03:31.10 | elg | and undergrads from other majors |
| 03:31.15 | elg | it's not a class for cs students |
| 03:31.34 | elg | a professor from another major is auditing it too |
| 03:31.39 | elg | so I have the whole range. :) |
| 03:32.36 | levi_ | I mean, I long for the day when C has been replaced and is taught about as commonly as cobol, but that's a long way off! ;) |
| 03:34.36 | levi_ | Grr, my DSL is going flaky again. |
| 03:34.36 | levi_ | The syllabus looks good. |
| 03:34.36 | levi_ | I was unfamiliar with the use of rubric in that context, but after some googling it looks correct. |
| 03:35.06 | beandog | or CLI gurus? |
| 03:35.20 | beandog | I just need to pipe something, somehow .... gots no clue how. :T |
| 03:35.37 | levi_ | What do you need to pipe? |
| 03:36.13 | beandog | MPlayer's position status |
| 03:36.23 | beandog | I'm trying to capture it somehow |
| 03:37.04 | beandog | Like I'll do mplayer foo.mkv |
| 03:37.25 | beandog | and while its playing it will display the playback positions at the bottom of the screen |
| 03:37.28 | beandog | er, terminal |
| 03:37.31 | beandog | atoponce: 39.3 V: 39.3 A-V: -0.003 ct: 0.139 56/ 56 5% 0% 0.4% 0 0 |
| 03:37.32 | beandog | like that |
| 03:37.38 | beandog | ooops, sorry atoponce |
| 03:37.50 | beandog | but when you quit, it goes away |
| 03:37.55 | levi_ | elg: I wonder if introducing pointers along with arrays might be helpful. Might give the concept longer to sink in, so more people might grok them before the end of the class. |
| 03:38.05 | beandog | and I can't figure out how to save that part. |
| 03:38.10 | elg | yeah, I might do that |
| 03:38.17 | elg | that topic list is subject to migration |
| 03:38.24 | elg | it was more a brainstorming result |
| 03:38.48 | levi_ | Understanding the C memory model and pointers is essential to writing C programs that aren't horribly broken in subtle ways. |
| 03:39.02 | elg | agreed |
| 03:39.19 | levi_ | My connection is very flaky, so I may drop off unexpectedly. |
| 03:39.49 | beandog | any ideas? |
| 03:39.50 | beandog | :( |
| 03:41.08 | levi_ | I don't have mplayer installed to see whether that output is going to stdout or stderr. |
| 03:41.40 | beandog | well its going to stdout |
| 03:41.43 | levi_ | If it's stdout, mplayer > output.txt should work. |
| 03:41.43 | beandog | Thats not the problem though |
| 03:42.34 | beandog | oh wait, hmm. |
| 03:43.30 | levi_ | elg: In general, I fear non-CS majors learning C even more than CS majors learning it. Though I guess it would be very prudent for EE majors. |
| 03:43.32 | elg | well if you do &>foo.out |
| 03:43.44 | elg | then it will capture what mplayer puts out. but if its stdout isn't a terminal it may change its behavior |
| 03:43.50 | beandog | Well the problem is its one line on the terminal thats constantly updating |
| 03:43.50 | elg | like a schroedinger cat |
| 03:43.53 | beandog | Thats what I cant capture. |
| 03:44.14 | elg | levi_: yes, it would be important for EE majors |
| 03:44.36 | elg | although, EE doesn't count 467 towards a masters degree because people were just taking it for a free ride that already knew C |
| 03:44.52 | elg | but there were a lot of people in my realtime dsp class, grads included, that couldn't code their way out of a box in C |
| 03:44.54 | elg | pretty funny |
| 03:45.10 | levi_ | Really, EE majors ought to get a totally different kind of C instruction, though. |
| 03:45.18 | elg | yeah |
| 03:45.25 | levi_ | They |
| 03:45.35 | elg | I intend to help them learn enough C and then push them on to a better language at the end. :) |
| 03:45.41 | levi_ | They're probably going to be writing C for PICs or something. |
| 03:45.54 | levi_ | Or microcontrollers. |
| 03:45.57 | elg | it will help their mental model to grok c's memory model. it does wonders for understanding what the computer is doing |
| 03:46.06 | elg | and what the computer _is_ |
| 03:46.23 | beandog | aagh. |
| 03:46.47 | elg | beandog: usually the ever-changing line is accomplished with just \r at the end instead of \n |
| 03:47.00 | elg | and then just overwriting the line. so when dumped to a file you get every line |
| 03:47.33 | levi_ | elg: There was a book linked to on reddit about assembly language that I think would be even better for that. It's not raw asm, though; it's a higher-level asm, but still with all the asm stuff exposed. |
| 03:47.55 | levi_ | Well, better for teaching computer architecture. |
| 03:48.09 | levi_ | It doesn't have the side benefit of teaching C, though it would make C much easier to pick up. |
| 03:48.55 | elg | but nobody wants to take an elective about assembly :) |
| 03:50.37 | levi_ | I would have! |
| 03:50.52 | elg | yeah, but you're a cs/engineering major :) |
| 03:51.22 | levi_ | Why would a non-cs/engineering major want to learn C? |
| 03:51.48 | elg | there's lots of C floating around in physics, biology, etc. |
| 03:52.11 | levi_ | There's probably more fortran floating around in physics. I dunno about biology. |
| 03:52.13 | elg | and my english major (technical writing) friend wanted to take the class and knew someone who did |
| 03:52.26 | elg | this is a big bioinformatics school |
| 03:52.38 | elg | the biology people here do a lot with computers |
| 03:52.42 | levi_ | English majors who want to learn C need reeducation. ;) |
| 03:52.55 | elg | and lots of people want to learn "computer programming" |
| 03:53.05 | elg | they don't know C is about the worst thing to learn, they just want to program |
| 03:53.07 | tene | remaining capacity: 0 mWh |
| 03:53.16 | elg | ~recharge tene |
| 03:53.17 | levi_ | tene: You're goin' down! |
| 03:53.30 | elg | ~charge tene |
| 03:53.52 | levi_ | elg: Have you seen any of the slides on Fortress? |
| 03:54.12 | elg | this prof that's auditing is |
| 03:54.12 | elg | Dr C.M. Steele |
| 03:54.22 | elg | not sure what that means. |
| 03:54.39 | elg | agriculture of some kind. needs to grok some C code |
| 03:54.39 | levi_ | If it comes to fruition, it'll be a great language for physicists. |
| 03:55.09 | elg | "I have a deadline for understanding some code that I need to use to analyse my data " |
| 03:55.24 | levi_ | Hmm. |
| 03:55.37 | levi_ | Good luck, Dr. Steele! |
| 03:55.51 | levi_ | Hopefully his deadline is not too near. |
| 03:56.23 | elg | hopefully at least 4.5 weeks away |
| 03:56.32 | tene | Yay, magic laptop! |
| 03:56.53 | tene | although... |
| 03:56.58 | tene | present voltage: 9677 mV |
| 03:57.05 | tene | design voltage: 11100 mV |
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| 03:57.43 | levi_ | elg: Got any Linux Networx clusters on campus? |
| 03:58.03 | elg | dunno |
| 03:58.17 | elg | we have a couple clusters of some kind |
| 03:58.22 | elg | that run linux |
| 04:01.20 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | got my brother's band site up today: |
| 04:01.22 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | http://www.metzeneronline.com/main.php |
| 04:01.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I didn't write it - I'll be making it *way* better though |
| 04:02.47 | beandog | I cant figure this out. |
| 04:02.56 | beandog | It is using \r |
| 04:03.05 | beandog | But if I were to capture the entire file, it would be huge |
| 04:03.10 | levi_ | Looks like a couple of IBM clusters and a small old VA Linux cluster. |
| 04:03.40 | elg | beandog: yup, because you capture every line |
| 04:03.49 | elg | every one that's overwritten |
| 04:04.03 | beandog | is there a way to convert the \r to \n? |
| 04:04.07 | levi_ | beandog: What are you trying to do, ultimately? |
| 04:04.19 | beandog | levi_: capture the last line of the playback position of mplayer |
| 04:04.29 | beandog | it constantly updates it on playback... I just want to get the status when I exit the file |
| 04:05.29 | levi_ | You could pipe it through a tr command. |
| 04:09.20 | elg | oh |
| 04:09.23 | beandog | can that rename them? |
| 04:09.32 | beandog | Hmm, dont see how that helps from the man page. :T |
| 04:09.54 | elg | just do mplayer foo.avi | tail -2 |
| 04:10.07 | elg | and if needed, pipe that through head -1 |
| 04:10.11 | beandog | thats not spitting it out. |
| 04:10.36 | elg | does for me |
| 04:10.52 | beandog | atoponce: 2.8 V: 2.8 A-V: -0.006 ct: 0.001 68/ 68 5% 0% 0.3% 0 0 |
| 04:10.56 | beandog | Thats what Im tyring to capture |
| 04:11.02 | beandog | geez, stupid paste. |
| 04:11.08 | elg | hehe |
| 04:12.00 | elg | mplayer WilliamShatnerLucyIn.avi 2>/dev/null | tail -2 | head -1 |
| 04:12.05 | elg | A: 11.5 V: 11.5 A-V: 0.053 ct: 0.009 173/173 8% 5% 2.0% 0 0 |
| 04:12.26 | beandog | see that doesnt return anything fo rme |
| 04:12.32 | beandog | what version you using |
| 04:12.54 | elg | i am in osx, but I don't think that would make too much difference. |
| 04:12.55 | elg | MPlayer dev-CVS-060408-14:02-4.0.1 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team |
| 04:13.16 | levi_ | Heh, William Shatner videos. |
| 04:13.32 | beandog | see, anytime I pipe it at all it wont show up. |
| 04:13.40 | levi_ | Have you seen the one of him doing Rocketman? |
| 04:15.53 | beandog | http://moongroup.com/pipermail/shell.scripting/2003-January/008103.html |
| 04:15.59 | beandog | ^^ exact problem Im trying to solve |
| 04:16.07 | beandog | to add insult to injury, I dont know a lick of perl. |
| 04:22.41 | levi_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=IVx2JKuZp04&search=taco%20town |
| 04:26.03 | levi_ | elg: Here's an interesting idea for you: http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/blog/archives/monthly/2006-07.html#e2006-07-10T17_33_54.htm |
| 04:27.42 | beandog | well, its the ugliest hack in history, but I got it. |
| 04:44.50 | elg | what did you have to do? |
| 04:45.09 | elg | levi_: so it's a prof saying he should suggest to students to write "I don't know"? |
| 04:45.23 | elg | because I already do that as a student, if I really don't know |
| 04:46.13 | beandog | elg: I hacked the mplayer source code |
| 04:46.20 | elg | heh |
| 04:46.26 | elg | well there you go |
| 04:46.38 | beandog | I gotta learn these console tools |
| 04:46.57 | elg | well if you weren't getting anything in the pipe, that's nothhing you can fix with console tools |
| 04:47.07 | beandog | well I was getting it in the pipe |
| 04:47.08 | beandog | er |
| 04:47.10 | beandog | not the pipe. |
| 04:47.16 | beandog | well, it was .. but |
| 04:47.18 | beandog | oh n/m |
| 04:47.20 | beandog | I cant explain it. |
| 04:47.41 | beandog | heh |
| 04:47.59 | levi_ | elg: Yeah, and give minimal credit for it to encourage it. |
| 04:48.30 | maquis | ok... who suggested that i go take a nap? |
| 04:48.55 | elg | i can't decide whether to teach them how to make a tarball and submit tarballs, or whether to just have them submit a .c file |
| 04:49.07 | elg | since most programs are easily one-file programs that they're expected to write |
| 04:50.42 | beandog | maquis: heh, did you just wake up? |
| 04:51.54 | maquis | beandog: yes |
| 04:52.00 | beandog | heh |
| 04:52.02 | beandog | :) |
| 04:52.11 | beandog | gotta be careful bout that |
| 04:52.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:52.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Fully awake or no? |
| 04:52.27 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: mostly awake |
| 04:52.36 | ScytheBlade1 | That's too bad :/ |
| 04:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Typically when I do that |
| 04:52.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I just go back to bed |
| 04:52.54 | maquis | i'm not tired |
| 04:53.00 | maquis | i've been asleep for a long time |
| 04:53.03 | beandog | now yere gonna be up til 4 a.m. |
| 04:53.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You would be if you were mostly asleep ;) |
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| 04:59.44 | mheath | Sleep Deprivation...yah. |
| 05:00.44 | mheath | The crucible's going to be all kinds of fun. Heh. =P |
| 05:13.55 | atoponce | beandog: ping |
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| 05:25.20 | findlay | hello |
| 05:25.36 | findlay | ibot: hi |
| 05:25.38 | ibot | hello, findlay |
| 05:25.38 | atoponce | howdy |
| 05:25.50 | findlay | brac: how are you? |
| 05:25.50 | brac | dunno |
| 05:25.54 | findlay | whatever |
| 05:26.11 | findlay | brac: aafsblakjfd hlkjdfah ldjf ladf? |
| 05:26.11 | brac | ...eh? |
| 05:26.20 | findlay | brac: ? |
| 05:27.38 | findlay | brac: hi? |
| 05:27.38 | brac | hey findlay :) |
| 05:27.45 | findlay | whatever |
| 05:28.07 | findlay | hi atoponce |
| 05:29.02 | findlay | ibot: power rangers is pretty much the coolest thing since he man |
| 05:29.03 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 05:30.13 | levi_ | Yo, findlay |
| 05:31.15 | mheath_ | http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/07/10/psychedelic.research.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories |
| 05:31.16 | brac | [CNN.com - Mystic mushrooms spawn magic event - Jul 11, 2006] |
| 05:31.18 | mheath_ | What is the point of that? |
| 05:31.30 | mheath_ | Yeah, there was an experiment with mushrooms |
| 05:31.32 | mheath_ | It lasted a decade. |
| 05:32.10 | mheath_ | I don't need a news article on CNN to tell me that mushrums make you trip. |
| 05:32.10 | levi_ | http://andrewlsmith.blogspot.com/2006/07/industry-demands-python-not-ruby-or.html |
| 05:32.10 | brac | [Industry demands Python, not Ruby or Rails - Andrew L Smith: Zen and the Art of] |
| 05:32.28 | levi_ | Nice logic in that article. |
| 05:32.40 | findlay | levi_: greetings |
| 05:33.04 | mheath_ | The industry doesn't demand either. |
| 05:33.13 | mheath_ | Hence the reason the industry doesn't use either. |
| 05:33.25 | levi_ | findlay: I've been having Holst's Mars stuck in my head a lot lately. Right now I'm driving it out with Neko Case. |
| 05:33.41 | mheath_ | The 'industry' still refers to just the commercial ventures |
| 05:33.57 | mheath_ | And neither python nor ruby or rails has any kind of decent following in the industry still |
| 05:34.50 | atoponce | findlay: sup? |
| 05:35.37 | levi_ | Who wants jobs in the 'industry' anyway? |
| 05:37.21 | findlay | levi_: listen to Mercury. That's my favorite one |
| 05:37.39 | levi_ | findlay: It's nice, but it wasn't stuck in my head. |
| 05:38.13 | findlay | that means I listen to way too much music |
| 05:38.53 | levi_ | Neko Case is really nice. |
| 05:40.18 | mheath_ | Pity classical music records aren't worth much. |
| 05:40.35 | mheath_ | I'd have a fortune from my dads record collection if they were pop music... |
| 05:40.42 | mheath_ | Hundreds of 1960's era records... |
| 05:40.49 | findlay | mheath_: I'll take them |
| 05:41.23 | mheath_ | He does have some interesting stuff mixed in |
| 05:41.36 | mheath_ | Original first edition soundtrack from the first Star Wars movie (thats one of his later records) |
| 05:42.21 | mheath_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.43 | mheath_ | findlay, heh. |
| 05:42.56 | mheath_ | I just want my dads sound system |
| 05:43.13 | mheath_ | Vintage McIntosh system.... |
| 05:43.26 | findlay | I know a guy who has ten times the records your dad has |
| 05:43.39 | findlay | he also has twice as many CDs as I have |
| 05:43.41 | mheath_ | All in all, about $10,000 worth of electronics factoring in the tuner, pre-amp, amp, etc |
| 05:44.03 | findlay | I've seen KBYU's library too |
| 05:44.04 | mheath_ | Plus the speakers, which are about $4,000 each |
| 05:44.22 | mheath_ | Huge, beautiful oak cabinets. You could fit two of me in each of them |
| 05:44.42 | mheath_ | 15 inch subwoofers, and a nice array, down to beautiful tweeters... |
| 05:45.10 | mheath_ | The bass quality is what blows me away |
| 05:45.32 | mheath_ | You can _feel_ the bass...... |
| 05:45.47 | levi_ | Oh yeah? Well, I've been in computer rooms with tens of millions of dollars of computer equipment. |
| 05:45.48 | mheath_ | none of that nasty vibration and distortion that comes with cheaper speaker systems with the bass level trned up too much |
| 05:46.25 | levi_ | And firmware I wrote turned all the nodes on and off! |
| 05:46.38 | findlay | oh yeah? I've seen so much stuff in my whole life it's worth trillions! |
| 05:46.39 | mheath_ | I think people are getting kinda stupid and overly infatuated with the digital age |
| 05:47.07 | mheath_ | We have a modern Bose system thats comparable in price to what that McIntosh system cost back when it was new |
| 05:47.14 | mheath_ | digital speakers, etc |
| 05:47.22 | mheath_ | No where NEAR the quality |
| 05:47.28 | findlay | ~lart bose |
| 05:47.40 | levi_ | It probably used more power in a week than you could pay for with all that stereo equipment. |
| 05:47.41 | mheath_ | The Bose system is surround sound, but I'd take the stereo McIntosh playing my music any day. |
| 05:47.44 | findlay | you can have your bose |
| 05:48.26 | levi_ | Why did he get a Bose? |
| 05:51.00 | nick125 | wewt |
| 05:51.03 | nick125 | I got VT working :) |
| 05:51.28 | levi_ | My dad bought a Bose because he didn't know any better, but that doesn't seem like it'd be the case with your dad. |
| 05:55.01 | beandog | man |
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| 05:55.30 | beandog | I have more problems with myth and alsa than anything else. |
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| 06:15.27 | bonez41 | levi, so what's WRONG with BOSE, anyway? |
| 06:15.33 | bonez41 | levi, just curious..... |
| 06:15.40 | nick125_lappy | omgosh! I got xen/nvidia working! |
| 06:25.32 | bonez41 | nick125, listening to music now? |
| 06:26.02 | nick125_lappy | lol |
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| 06:30.39 | bonez41 | levi_, just curious...about your position on BOSE equipment |
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| 07:14.10 | nick125_lappy | http://continental.nick125.com/misc/2006-07-10-185842_1280x800_scrot.png < slightly cool and sick at the same time |
| 07:26.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | SFW |
| 07:26.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | NSFW |
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| 12:59.18 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 12:59.22 | sjansen | ~flood goozbach |
| 12:59.24 | ibot | ACTION blasts goozbach with a huge firehose then strangles goozbach with it |
| 12:59.35 | sjansen | ~hurricane goozbach |
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| 13:06.31 | sjansen | ~bored |
| 13:06.32 | ibot | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 13:19.32 | goozbach | sjansen: are you jealous? |
| 13:19.51 | goozbach | jelous that I'll get to experience a hurricane? |
| 13:26.49 | goozbach | http://blog.wired.com/games/index.blog?entry_id=1518482 |
| 13:26.52 | brac | [Game|Life] |
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| 13:50.12 | sjansen | ~tropical depression goozbach |
| 13:52.21 | sjansen | Argh, too many keyboards. |
| 13:55.10 | sjansen | I really have to wonder if the person who designed this desk has ever tried to present and user the keyboard at the same time. |
| 13:55.36 | sjansen | ~lart Jayce^ for vacationing in Montana |
| 13:57.52 | goozbach | where you at this week sjansen? |
| 14:10.20 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
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| 14:20.59 | goozbach | ~spork maquis |
| 14:21.01 | ibot | ACTION tries to stab maquis with a spork and fails, then attempts to gouge out maquis's eyeballs. Success! The spork IS useful! |
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| 14:28.26 | maquis | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060711 |
| 14:28.28 | brac | [UserFriendly Strip Comments] |
| 14:30.27 | sjansen | goozbach: ft. lauderdale, fl |
| 14:30.36 | goozbach | oh yeah, you mentioned that |
| 14:30.45 | goozbach | a short 8 hour drive from here |
| 14:30.57 | sjansen | So you still coming down? |
| 14:34.05 | goozbach | I don't know |
| 14:34.20 | goozbach | If I left at 5, I wouldn't get down there till 10 |
| 14:34.27 | goozbach | then to get back for work... |
| 14:36.15 | maquis | http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1039 |
| 14:36.17 | brac | [Freedom to Tinker » Blog Archive » CleanFlicks Ruled an Infringer] |
| 14:36.49 | sjansen | goozbach: So skip work. You promised me we were going to party like it's 1999. |
| 14:39.09 | sjansen | I had my zoot suit dry cleaned and everything. |
| 14:39.50 | goozbach | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060613 |
| 14:39.55 | brac | [UserFriendly Strip Comments] |
| 14:40.04 | goozbach | you seriously have a zoot suit? |
| 14:40.16 | goozbach | cause if you did I'd take tomorrow off |
| 14:40.53 | sjansen | Sadly, no. :-( |
| 14:41.27 | goozbach | ahh too bad |
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| 14:46.12 | resplin | I can't believe computers ever work at all! |
| 14:47.46 | maquis | resplin: when i have to use windows, i have that question... when i use *nix, my question is usually whether i have a brain at all... |
| 14:48.27 | resplin | I dist-upgraded Etch yesterday, and today the flash plugin doesn't work (no Pandora Radio!). |
| 14:48.32 | resplin | I've been fiddling for an hour. |
| 14:49.18 | maquis | resplin: don't try freebsd... it won't help |
| 14:49.20 | resplin | Windows things "just work" or "never work". There is no hope in fiddling. |
| 14:49.26 | resplin | So I don't waste so much time. |
| 14:49.47 | resplin | maquis: thanks for the tip |
| 14:53.40 | maquis | resplin: just speaking from experience... |
| 14:53.53 | maquis | i finally got most of flash to work... but firefox crashes on google video and pandora.com |
| 14:59.58 | macnewbold | I do fine on freebsd with flash, though on google video I have to use the linux-firefox port since that's the only way to get flash8 |
| 15:02.45 | resplin | It is definitely my mozilla profile, because a fresh one works. Arg. |
| 15:04.17 | bonez39 | is flash8 the latest version? |
| 15:10.04 | maquis | bonez39: i heard something about flash9 |
| 15:10.11 | maquis | flash7 is the latest for linux |
| 15:10.29 | maquis | or i thought that, at least |
| 15:10.35 | maquis | macnewbold: is that how you do it? |
| 15:10.36 | maquis | grr |
| 15:11.17 | macnewbold | maquis: I've got flash working both in my native build of mozilla/firefox and the latest flash8 plugin running in my linux-firefox |
| 15:11.38 | maquis | macnewbold: i've got everything except pandora.com and google video working in regular firefox |
| 15:11.51 | maquis | i want pandora.com, though |
| 15:12.55 | macnewbold | what flash version does it require? |
| 15:13.08 | bonez39 | maquis, what does pandora.com give you? |
| 15:13.22 | macnewbold | with the linuxpluginwrapper port, I've got it working in mozilla/firefox natively, but only flash6 |
| 15:13.42 | maquis | bonez39: music |
| 15:13.47 | bonez39 | macnewbold, when you say port...you are on freebsd,r ight? |
| 15:13.49 | macnewbold | cause there's no port for flash8 yet |
| 15:13.51 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 15:13.54 | macnewbold | freebsd |
| 15:13.55 | maquis | macnewbold: i've got flash7, i think |
| 15:14.15 | macnewbold | some of google's stuff requires 8, and I've only been able to get 8 in linux-firefox |
| 15:14.34 | macnewbold | cause it can take the plugin without any special freebsd magic |
| 15:15.19 | bonez39 | I am still confused..I run mozilla-firefox....... what then is 'linux-firefox' ? |
| 15:15.32 | maquis | bonez39: on freebsd, there are two versiones of firefox available |
| 15:15.40 | bonez39 | oh.... |
| 15:15.52 | bonez39 | didn't know you were running freebsd too, erin |
| 15:16.04 | maquis | yeah... i'm on freebsd on one of my machines |
| 15:16.16 | bonez39 | how many machines are you tending? |
| 15:17.12 | maquis | i've got 3 machines... one of which isn't used constantly |
| 15:18.11 | bonez39 | I need to build myself a newmachine.....something that can play my favorite dvd movies.....and run everything I want |
| 15:18.52 | bonez39 | alas...time to check my mail at the PO...and if I hit the jackpot today... |
| 15:19.00 | bonez39 | see if I hit.... |
| 15:19.08 | maquis | jackpot? |
| 15:19.14 | maquis | can i have some? |
| 15:19.24 | bonez39 | hehehe, see if any insurance companies decided to cut me a check today..or not |
| 15:19.32 | bonez39 | so I can pay some bills..... |
| 15:20.18 | bonez39 | If I won the lottery, erin..I'd invite you and mac and elg and tene and everyone who's helped me here.........to a big party....! |
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| 15:21.07 | bonez39 | I owe all I know to you all........now if I could just convince or get someone else to convince my wife to dump winders and run linux on her laptop..life would be good |
| 15:24.07 | maquis | bonez39: set up a box with ubuntu and show her how things work on there... make it as windows-ish as possible... |
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| 15:38.03 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 15:39.22 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:44.07 | elg | so far |
| 15:45.58 | levi | You expect it to change? |
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| 15:55.08 | resplin | Found it! |
| 15:55.17 | resplin | It was adblock. |
| 15:55.26 | elg | ~kill time |
| 15:55.27 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxneutron gun at time |
| 15:55.44 | resplin | I had to upgrade it in the browser. I wish that all of the firefox extensions got upgraded with the core program (system-wide). |
| 15:55.52 | elg | levi: no, but you never know |
| 15:56.46 | maquis | we need to get dapper606 in here... |
| 15:57.41 | elg | -rps maquis |
| 15:57.41 | brac | incorrect usage: roshambo <rock|paper|scissors> => play roshambo |
| 15:57.45 | elg | -rps scissors |
| 15:57.45 | brac | scissors. We tie. |
| 15:58.01 | maquis | -rps rock |
| 15:58.02 | brac | scissors. You win. |
| 15:58.11 | elg | ~lart brac |
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| 16:10.54 | resplin | _Now_ I notice that the sound is broken. Stupid Linux. |
| 16:12.13 | resplin | I guess in Windows I just get used to never upgrading, because it's always broken and upgrades don't help. But Linux . . . it gives me hope . . . hope enough to keep trying (as my life ebbs away) . . . |
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| 16:14.52 | vontrapp | i don't even know if it's even _trying_ to run the hook |
| 16:20.11 | redbeard1 | sometimes, i don't think my wife understands me |
| 16:20.26 | redbeard1 | this morning in chat she told me: "you guys should get hobbies. and I mean hobbies that have you guys standing around grunting, and scratching your asses" |
| 16:20.31 | goozbach | redbeard1: I bet the feeling is mutual |
| 16:20.43 | levi | redbeard1: Heh. |
| 16:20.56 | levi | redbeard1: You mean you don't do that while you're cooking? |
| 16:21.23 | harleypig | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/11/seagate_readies_1tb_soho_nas/ |
| 16:21.27 | brac | [Seagate readies SOHO-friendly 1TB NAS box | Reg Hardware] |
| 16:21.29 | redbeard1 | just because she's not interested in the effect of biopolymers on structure and ice recrystalization in dynamically frozen ice cream model systems |
| 16:21.33 | harleypig | Less than $1k! |
| 16:22.38 | redbeard1 | http://www.dairy-science.org/cgi/content/abstract/85/11/2722 |
| 16:22.39 | brac | [Effect of Biopolymers on Structure and Ice Recrystallization in Dynamically Frozen Ice Cream Model Systems -- Regand and Goff 85 (11): 2722 -- Journal of Dairy Science] |
| 16:22.48 | levi | Sweeeeeeet. |
| 16:23.12 | harleypig | redbeard1: Tell her that would probably involve us discussing the various attributes and abilities of any women who happened to pass by. |
| 16:23.22 | redbeard1 | oh man. just looking at some of the articles in that magazine makes my brain hurt. |
| 16:23.39 | harleypig | Yeah, but it's a *GOOG* hurt ... |
| 16:23.46 | harleypig | s/GOOG/GOOD/ |
| 16:23.48 | redbeard1 | harleypig: actually, did i tell you what she told me the first time she heard me call a piece of computer hardware sexy? |
| 16:23.57 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ GOOD |
| 16:24.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Having trouble with your stock? ;) |
| 16:24.14 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:24.19 | harleypig | redbeard1: I think so, but remind me. |
| 16:24.31 | redbeard1 | she told me that she was going to buy me a sports illustrated, and i could call any of the women in there sexy, so long as i didn't call computer parts sexy |
| 16:25.29 | levi | She appears to be in denial that she married a geek. ;) |
| 16:25.46 | redbeard1 | i know. ^_^ |
| 16:26.02 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:32.29 | maquis | lol |
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| 16:36.13 | harleypig | maquis: Geeks pay as much, and the same kind of, attention to their hardware as "normal" guys pay attention to girls. |
| 16:37.05 | redbeard1 | wouldn't a girl rather have a guy that pays less attention to other girls? |
| 16:37.10 | maquis | harleypig: yeah... but they also pay attention to their girl (or at least the ones i know do) |
| 16:37.15 | maquis | redbeard1: i agree |
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| 16:38.34 | harleypig | redbeard1: I'd rather have a girlfriend who had the same attitude as me: "It's all right to window shop" |
| 16:39.21 | maquis | who doesn't like window-shopping? |
| 16:39.29 | harleypig | maquis: Some do, but whether they do or not, it's a problem with the girls, not the guys |
| 16:39.33 | harleypig | er .. |
| 16:39.41 | harleypig | that's was from the previous comment you made. |
| 16:39.57 | maquis | harleypig: yeah |
| 16:40.26 | harleypig | The problem is, girls don't like their guys to window shop. As told to me by several different women over the last ... ermm ... some odd years, "I should be enough for you" |
| 16:41.04 | harleypig | that sounded bad. |
| 16:41.09 | beandog | heh |
| 16:41.14 | harleypig | one woman the last 13 years, several women before that. |
| 16:41.22 | maquis | oh... you mean window-shopping in a different sense from what i was thinking... |
| 16:41.23 | maquis | :) |
| 16:41.36 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.36 | beandog | yah, that took me a second too |
| 16:41.38 | harleypig | :) |
| 16:42.14 | harleypig | Ok ... just because I got my cake doesn't mean I can't admire the other cakes on the shelf! |
| 16:42.35 | harleypig | Or ... "I'm married, not dead!" |
| 16:43.17 | harleypig | "If you don't look once you're not a man, if you look twice you're not a missionary. So make that first look a good long look!" - Brigham Young |
| 16:44.20 | vontrapp_ | i've never heard that "long look" part included in the quote |
| 16:47.10 | harleypig | vontrapp: Old family tradition. I've never been able to prove it, but my grandfather swears his grandfather says BY said it to him personally. |
| 16:47.46 | harleypig | As an aside; this looks interesting: http://www.apple.com/trailers/warner_independent_pictures/ascannerdarkly/ |
| 16:47.47 | brac | [Apple - Trailers - A Scanner Darkly] |
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| 16:53.13 | goozbach | that qoute is out there a lot |
| 16:53.45 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: i've heard that "long look" part in there before. |
| 16:54.31 | harleypig | Besides from me? |
| 16:54.57 | redbeard1 | harleypig: that, i don't know. it may have been from you. |
| 16:55.46 | harleypig | I can see three things for this quote: 1) He said it 2) He said it and someone removed the second part in official documents 3) He only said the first part and people added the second part |
| 16:56.41 | harleypig | My grandfather says being apocryphal doesn't mean its not true. But he could never produce anything other than hearsay. |
| 16:57.26 | harleypig | It's kind of a bummer that my great-great-great grandfather donated BY's private journals to the Church ... I'd love to read those. |
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| 17:04.00 | levi | harleypig: Have you read the book 'A Scanner Darkly'? |
| 17:07.39 | harleypig | A *very* long time ago. |
| 17:08.05 | levi | Crazy stuff. |
| 17:08.10 | harleypig | Winning entry for the annual bad writing contest: "Detective Bart Lasiter was in his office studying the light from his one small window falling on his super burrito when the door swung open to reveal a woman whose body said you've had your last burrito for a while, whose face said angels did exist, and whose eyes said she could make you dig your own grave and lick the shovel clean." |
| 17:08.28 | harleypig | woops ... didn't think it'd be that much in irc ... |
| 17:08.51 | harleypig | I remember having to stop about every 20 pages and just sit back and think. |
| 17:12.34 | sjansen | harleypig: Ah, so there's a reason you look so much like BY. |
| 17:15.00 | harleypig | sjansen: :] Yeah ... he's my grandfather's grandfather's father. |
| 17:15.37 | sjansen | No wonder your beard is cooler than mine. |
| 17:15.43 | sjansen | ~steal harleypig's beard |
| 17:15.50 | ibot | ACTION grabs harleypig's beard and gives it to sjansen |
| 17:15.50 | harleypig | :> |
| 17:15.57 | harleypig | :D |
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| 17:19.48 | findlay | <: [: |
| 17:19.53 | findlay | (: {: |: |
| 17:20.13 | findlay | that must have some kind of semantic meanng |
| 17:20.22 | findlay | hm |
| 17:22.10 | sjansen | findlay: They all mean that you're hanging out in a space station or wearing anti-gravity boots. |
| 17:22.27 | sjansen | Or you made someone mad and you've been duct taped to the ceiling again. |
| 17:23.37 | maquis | >-|O |
| 17:24.11 | maquis | >->0 |
| 17:24.46 | redbeard1 | wow. that erin person on openclue looks a lot like richard simmons. who knew? |
| 17:24.55 | maquis | uh oh |
| 17:25.04 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:25.32 | redbeard1 | time to make a hackergotchi? |
| 17:25.44 | sjansen | Shoot! |
| 17:25.48 | maquis | i tried... but they wouldn't let me use a penguin |
| 17:26.18 | redbeard1 | maquis: you could dress as a penguin and take a picture |
| 17:26.43 | maquis | redbeard1: true... |
| 17:26.44 | findlay | overall I think Gabe is having a lot of fun with the hackergotchi |
| 17:26.55 | maquis | i guess i'll just use the picture of me that was put online without my consent.... |
| 17:26.56 | findlay | is hackergotchi plural for hackergotchi? |
| 17:27.25 | beandog | I threatened everyone on planet gentoo I'd use that one, too. Hehehhe. its worked out well. :) |
| 17:27.26 | redbeard1 | findlay: maybe it's hackergotchii |
| 17:28.47 | sjansen | hackergotchienes |
| 17:29.10 | beandog | hackergotcha |
| 17:29.56 | RyanE | hackergot-tche'! |
| 17:30.03 | sjansen | heh |
| 17:30.16 | findlay | I like hackergotcha |
| 17:30.34 | findlay | and I don't like to type it, so I should make irssi tab complete that word |
| 17:30.38 | sjansen | hackergotchus |
| 17:30.53 | sjansen | hackergotchwe |
| 17:31.10 | RyanE | hackergotchewbacca |
| 17:31.18 | findlay | yeah |
| 17:31.32 | RyanE | that's what harleypig should use. |
| 17:31.36 | sjansen | ~quote scox |
| 17:32.42 | findlay | ~quote ibot |
| 17:33.26 | findlay | ibot: don't you know the N's and A's cancel when you stack them like that? |
| 17:33.58 | beandog | nah nah nah nah nah nah |
| 17:34.11 | beandog | getting jiggy with it |
| 17:36.00 | levi | I don't know how you'd justify anything other than 'hackergotchis' as the plural. |
| 17:37.47 | sjansen | levi: What's your plural? |
| 17:37.54 | sjansen | levwe? |
| 17:38.07 | levi | I am not plural at all. |
| 17:38.17 | levi | But obviously the plural of my name is Levis. |
| 17:38.17 | findlay | ~plural sjansen |
| 17:38.24 | findlay | ~plural |
| 17:44.46 | levi | Hackergotchi is of Japanese derivation, and Japanese doesn't distinguish between singular and plural nouns, but it has been anglicized, so English plural rules should apply. |
| 17:45.00 | RyanE | which would that not still be 'hackergotchi'? |
| 17:45.31 | levi | If it was a genuine Japanese word, yes. As an english word, the plural would be hackergotchis. |
| 17:46.32 | findlay | levi: but isn't there more than one way to pluralize a word in English? |
| 17:46.56 | levi | findlay: Yes, but adding s is the standard way. |
| 17:49.26 | findlay | levi: but that's no fun. Seeing that a Japanese word is the root of the term there's no stipulation for conventionality when pluralizing it |
| 17:50.36 | RyanE | simply adding an s definitely looks wrong to me. It strains my highly-trained neural pluralizer. |
| 17:54.28 | findlay | what if I define the plural on the wikipedia page? then it will be official till the end of time! hahaha! |
| 17:54.51 | findlay | ~wiki hackergotchi |
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| 17:58.19 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 17:58.30 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 17:58.41 | vontrapp | *eep!* |
| 17:58.49 | elg | take that |
| 17:59.02 | *** join/#utah RyanE_ (i=Piadas@rberick.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 18:01.05 | elg | http://www.fractalspin.com/x/product.php?productid=116&cat=16&page=1 |
| 18:01.07 | brac | [frActAlspIn[D()T]cOm OMG geekcessories k-r4d |
| 18:01.07 | brac | "No, I am not checking my email, retard" T-shirt |
| 18:01.07 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.07 | brac | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.24 | levi | Both the Hackergotchi and Tamagotchi pages on Wikipedia use the -s pluralization. |
| 18:04.30 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=mkling@12.174.37.165) |
| 18:04.56 | graphyx | Is there any site currently legit that sells mp3's or is that still outside of the RIAA's governance? |
| 18:05.19 | levi | emusic.com |
| 18:06.59 | levi | They're indie label stuff, though. |
| 18:08.21 | graphyx | I noticed. |
| 18:08.35 | graphyx | They don't seem to let you search for a specific song until after you pay... |
| 18:10.06 | graphyx | nvm I found it. |
| 18:15.17 | levi | What are you looking for? |
| 18:15.48 | elg | the hissyfits |
| 18:15.55 | elg | his favorite girlband |
| 18:16.38 | graphyx | levi Midnight oil |
| 18:19.38 | Jayce^ | allofmp3.com |
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| 18:20.03 | beandog | the hissyfits? |
| 18:20.30 | beandog | Has anyone ever gotten mythtv (or linux) on an xbox without using some weird hardware mod? Is it even possible / worth it? |
| 18:21.28 | nick125_lappy | its possible...just hack a xbox like you normally would, then install mythtv on it |
| 18:21.41 | nick125_lappy | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 18:21.50 | mheath_ | beandog, Linux is possible, but requires a mod kit. mythtv.....does the XBOX even have a coaxial input? |
| 18:22.06 | beandog | mheath_: I just need a frontend. Ive already got the super-beefy backend. |
| 18:22.18 | mheath_ | then sure, probably. |
| 18:22.23 | mheath_ | But yeah, it requires hardware modification |
| 18:22.29 | beandog | meh. |
| 18:22.42 | mheath_ | beandog, it's simple now, though |
| 18:22.49 | mheath_ | its not like your sauldering the insides |
| 18:22.59 | mheath_ | You just buy a kit, open it up, and plug some stuff in |
| 18:23.08 | mheath_ | (open up the xbox) |
| 18:23.18 | beandog | Hmm |
| 18:23.22 | mheath_ | I wish my Nintendo DS could run Linux usefully. |
| 18:23.28 | beandog | Dont you have to make sure to buy a special Xbox retail version or something? |
| 18:23.29 | mheath_ | Unfortunately, he processor in that is horrible |
| 18:23.54 | mheath_ | beandog, I don't think so |
| 18:24.09 | mheath_ | xbmodder would probably know more about this, beandog ;-P |
| 18:24.16 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 18:24.34 | nick125_lappy | just make sure you don |
| 18:24.39 | *** join/#utah resplin (n=richard@69-164-125-180.sbtnvt.adelphia.net) |
| 18:24.45 | nick125_lappy | just make sure you don't get a v1.6 xbox when you are doing it |
| 18:24.57 | beandog | how do you know what version it is? |
| 18:25.05 | nick125_lappy | they closed most of the bugs that allowed the easy software modification |
| 18:25.27 | mheath_ | I was thinking of setting up a "United States Marine Corps Bootcamp Blog". I'd have someone who would make posts containing the contents of letters I send home... |
| 18:25.36 | mheath_ | do you think such a thing would get any interest? |
| 18:25.52 | beandog | everything is interesting to someone |
| 18:26.18 | mheath_ | I keep hearing of some random blog that made someone 'famous', only I've never heard of the person nor the blog =P |
| 18:27.22 | redbeard1 | whoa. martika just came up on the playlist. haven't heard her for... ever. |
| 18:28.23 | mheath_ | well, I'm not sure if I should even bother with that blog idea. Not sure anyone would be interested, or how to let people who might be know about it. |
| 18:32.34 | *** join/#utah graphyx (n=mkling@12.174.37.165) |
| 18:39.39 | elg | redbeard1: tell her to go away then |
| 18:40.01 | elg | mheath_: if there's people you actually care about pleasing that would read it, then go ahead |
| 18:40.05 | elg | if you want to do it for you then go ahead |
| 18:40.11 | elg | it probably won't make you famous though |
| 18:40.19 | elg | but you never know |
| 18:48.17 | findlay | ~make mheath_ famous |
| 18:48.18 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `mheath_ famous'. Stop. |
| 18:48.58 | sjansen | I hate small whiteboards and I can not lie. You other brothers can't deny, when you're writing on a whiteboard and you runn out of space, you want to punch someone in the face. |
| 18:49.07 | maquis | http://www.vulnerabilityassessment.co.uk/Penetration%20Test.html |
| 18:49.13 | brac | [Penetration Test] |
| 18:53.37 | sir-sjansen-alot | ~dance |
| 18:53.39 | ibot | rumour has it, dance is ah, ah, ah, ah, stayin' elive, stayin' elive.. |
| 18:53.47 | sir-sjansen-alot | ~break a move |
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| 18:58.30 | vontrapp | grrr |
| 18:58.49 | vontrapp | watch him scatter! |
| 19:04.26 | oingo-sjansen-go | ~nick new-sjansen-on-the-block |
| 19:04.33 | oingo-sjansen-go | heh, oops |
| 19:04.48 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Everyone check out my bro's band's site: http://www.metzeneronline.com |
| 19:05.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | careful - hans has a kickban set on that name :-) |
| 19:05.24 | Uncle_Jesse | heh |
| 19:05.37 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | (in the player on the left) |
| 19:07.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | evidently a shape-shifter too |
| 19:08.06 | muadib | ~spice m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 19:08.22 | muadib | ~gomjabar Jayce^ |
| 19:08.46 | *** join/#utah nick125_1appy (n=nick@dsl093-220-003.abq1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:08.46 | TimRiker | ~nickometer m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 19:09.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | you're not cool unless you have a non-alpha character in your nick |
| 19:10.23 | TimRiker | s/ not// |
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| 19:24.10 | elg | what's the ubuntu alternate vs desktop download? 6.06 |
| 19:31.35 | mrpull | elg: |
| 19:32.05 | mrpull | the "alternative" download is the debian style installer... the desktop download is the LiveCD installer |
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| 19:33.44 | elg | ok |
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| 19:34.24 | elg | how does the livecd-based installer work? |
| 19:36.42 | elg | as in, well or not well |
| 19:42.33 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: well, it spins in the cd-rom drive and a little laser reads it. Usually that works pretty well. |
| 19:48.09 | hislo | Except when you get peanut butter on the laser. |
| 19:48.09 | *** join/#utah nick125_lappy (n=nick@dsl093-220-003.abq1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:50.29 | vontrapp | or when the cd is actually a slice of pineapple |
| 19:51.04 | hislo | Yeah, I hate when that happens. |
| 19:56.16 | elg | ~gender hislo |
| 19:56.17 | ibot | I heard hislo is not sure. |
| 20:00.05 | spr | ~gender spr |
| 20:00.06 | ibot | I heard spr is male. |
| 20:00.18 | spr | ~gender amcnabb |
| 20:00.20 | ibot | I heard amcnabb is pregnant. |
| 20:02.47 | *** join/#utah nick125_lappy (n=nick@dsl093-220-003.abq1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:05.00 | elg | amcnabb: congrats! |
| 20:05.03 | hislo | wow |
| 20:05.25 | herlo | ~shower amcnabb |
| 20:05.27 | ibot | *snif* *snif* hmmm, amcnabb, you smell awfull... you need a shower asap! |
| 20:05.40 | herlo | oh, wrong kind of shower...lol |
| 20:07.11 | hislo | ~stink herlo |
| 20:07.35 | hislo | ~nut herlo |
| 20:07.42 | maquis | -lart herlo |
| 20:07.45 | hislo | ~j herlo |
| 20:07.48 | maquis | ~lart herlo |
| 20:07.54 | hislo | ~lart herlo for breaking the pattern |
| 20:07.59 | hislo | er, that is... |
| 20:08.07 | hislo | ~lart maquis for breaking the pattern |
| 20:08.15 | hislo | ~apologize to herlo |
| 20:08.16 | ibot | herlo: n=sjansen is sorry for being a brainless terd and begs your forgiveness |
| 20:08.16 | maquis | pattern? |
| 20:08.27 | maquis | -lart hislo |
| 20:08.42 | hislo | brac: But I already hang out in #utah. |
| 20:08.56 | maquis | -lart hislo |
| 20:09.18 | hislo | maquis: you're just jealous because I got the nick first |
| 20:09.21 | levi | maquis: Speaking of computer security... there's a guy working on a tiny lisp virtual machine to do remote code execution for penetration tests. |
| 20:09.31 | herlo | ~lart hislo for his terse remarks |
| 20:09.59 | nick125_lappy | ~lart xen |
| 20:10.08 | maquis | levi: cool |
| 20:10.16 | maquis | pen-testing seems like fun |
| 20:10.35 | nick125_lappy | my windows VM won't network :/ |
| 20:10.55 | levi | maquis: So you take advantage of an exploit to inject the vm into a running program, jump to it, and you've got a secure lisp system running on the remote machine. |
| 20:10.57 | nick125_lappy | its dropping the packets for some reason |
| 20:11.11 | hislo | maquis: Nah, after drawing cirlces, and filling in spaces, and stuff, it starts to get boring. |
| 20:11.12 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.12 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.13 | nick125_lappy | :( |
| 20:11.32 | levi | maquis: It's called mosquito. :) |
| 20:11.44 | elg | levi: I have a psychologist, a guy in ICT (information/computing tech), that prof who needs to grok some image processing tool, two people who think it sounds like fun, a biologist, a guy who worked for DOA and wished he'd known this stuff already so is taking it now |
| 20:11.54 | elg | the ict guy is the only one for whom the class is required |
| 20:12.18 | levi | Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you! |
| 20:12.20 | elg | and an english phd student who just emailed me and wants to sign up |
| 20:12.36 | levi | Just think... you have to get all these people to understand pointers in C. |
| 20:12.47 | elg | :) |
| 20:13.53 | elg | more girls than guys too |
| 20:13.56 | tene | What aspect of pointers generally confuses people anyway? |
| 20:14.24 | RyanE | I've always thought pointers were one of the more easily understood concepts in CS. |
| 20:14.28 | elg | lack of clarity in the explanation |
| 20:14.44 | levi | It's a break in the abstraction that people generally learn. |
| 20:14.45 | elg | and/or lack of understanding the memory model |
| 20:15.01 | tene | what abstraction? |
| 20:16.18 | atoponce | lastlog backstreet-sjans |
| 20:16.24 | atoponce | oops :) |
| 20:16.27 | elg | the abstraction that protects people from having to deal with abstractions like pointers |
| 20:16.35 | atoponce | trying to trace the multiple nicks of sjansen |
| 20:16.48 | RyanE | I like to abstract away such abstractions, until it all just disappears. |
| 20:17.26 | tene | that is to say, what abstract concept specifically is being broken? |
| 20:18.28 | johndoe | Wow, it's amazing how many nicks are taken already. |
| 20:18.29 | elg | i'm not levi, but I'm guessing he means the part that keeps you away from the hardware (e.g. memory) |
| 20:18.56 | johndoe | crawl, hide, hidden, lookoverthere, etc. |
| 20:19.26 | atoponce | so how many nicks have you traversed? 10? 11? |
| 20:19.52 | atoponce | i guess the real question is why? |
| 20:19.57 | shrug | heh, there's another one that's taken: noidea |
| 20:20.09 | RyanE | the fact that a variable in C isn't necessarily just 'automatically' a name and space that magically work, like in most introductory languages. That's the abstraction that I'm thinking he was referring to. |
| 20:20.29 | RyanE | but I usually guess wrong when I second-guess levi. |
| 20:20.32 | levi | I'm not thinking of any particular concept; elg is right that I mean the simple understanding of what variables are (and especially string and array variables) that generally works until you get to pointers. |
| 20:21.12 | atoponce | ~whaleslap grammarnazi |
| 20:21.13 | ibot | ACTION beats grammarnazi upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:21.15 | grammarnazi | So, any other grammar nazis in the channel? I've got a question. |
| 20:21.23 | macnewbold | go for it |
| 20:21.24 | elg | shoot |
| 20:21.29 | macnewbold | ~bang |
| 20:21.30 | ibot | BANG! |
| 20:21.53 | tene | so, does Godwin's Law apply to *grammar* nazis |
| 20:21.55 | tene | ? |
| 20:22.01 | grammarnazi | I was recently asked "are you he"? Sure, he is supposed to be a subject and him and object, but it seems like this person is trying to hard. |
| 20:22.18 | grammarnazi | My bad grammar detector is screaming it should be "are you him?" not "are you he?" |
| 20:22.38 | grammarnazi | Hmmm... which error to correct first. |
| 20:22.52 | grammarnazi | s/and obj/an obj/ ; s/to hard/too hard/ |
| 20:23.17 | elg | good start |
| 20:23.18 | grammarnazi | s/ing it/ing: it/ |
| 20:23.38 | grammarnazi | elg: Yeah, yeah. But what about my first question? |
| 20:23.41 | elg | i'd say "is that you?" |
| 20:24.03 | elg | or maybe "is he you?" if I wanted to throw someone |
| 20:25.09 | macnewbold | gn: the blank in "are you ___?" is for an object, or one of a few other parts of speech that can fit there. I'm pretty sure it works the same as "You are _____." |
| 20:25.12 | grammarnazi | Good point. |
| 20:25.34 | grammarnazi | macnewbold: huh? |
| 20:25.56 | elg | are you whom? |
| 20:26.05 | macnewbold | if you filled the blank in with "dead", "purple", "hairy", "Joe", "a vegetable", it would work too |
| 20:26.11 | grammarnazi | Oh, I see. You is the subject. Duh. |
| 20:26.26 | macnewbold | but I'm not sure whether "You are he." or "You are him." would be correct |
| 20:28.00 | *** topic/#utah by Jayce^ -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org, ubuntu-utah.org | PLUG meeting Wednesday - Thayne Presents Realm Systems Hardware |
| 20:28.01 | elg | according to the beetles |
| 20:28.07 | elg | I am he as you are he as you are me |
| 20:28.19 | Jayce^ | and we are all together now |
| 20:29.32 | grammarnazi | Yeah, but what do a bunch of brits with a fear of barbers know? |
| 20:29.52 | grammarnazi | s/brits/limeys/ |
| 20:30.55 | macnewbold | s/not //g |
| 20:31.01 | levi | I believe 'You are he' is gramatically correct, but both are acceptable usage. |
| 20:31.20 | macnewbold | s/h/m/g |
| 20:31.33 | levi | 'You are he' is like 'It is I' instead of 'It is me' |
| 20:31.34 | macnewbold | s/e/a/g |
| 20:31.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | is there a better remote-desktop client for linux than rdesktop? |
| 20:31.43 | beandog | tsclient |
| 20:31.44 | macnewbold | s/i/e/gi |
| 20:31.46 | beandog | grdesktop |
| 20:31.52 | macnewbold | s/i/e/g |
| 20:31.53 | beandog | whats wrong with rdesktop? |
| 20:31.56 | macnewbold | argh |
| 20:32.06 | macnewbold | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: vnc! |
| 20:32.07 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it keeps crashing when loading IE |
| 20:32.18 | tene | nx! |
| 20:32.19 | beandog | thats odd. |
| 20:32.23 | beandog | what version you running |
| 20:32.24 | macnewbold | are you sure it isn't just IE crashing? |
| 20:32.24 | grammarnazi | http://www.drgrammar.org/faqs/#104 |
| 20:32.31 | macnewbold | ~bonk helro |
| 20:32.34 | ibot | ACTION bonks helro over the head |
| 20:32.35 | brac | [Dr. Grammar - Frequently Asked Questions] |
| 20:32.42 | macnewbold | aha |
| 20:32.45 | macnewbold | what does it say? |
| 20:32.57 | levi | http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifitsmevsiti.shtml |
| 20:32.59 | brac | ["It's me" vs "It is I"] |
| 20:33.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | beandog: 1.4.1 |
| 20:33.12 | beandog | huh |
| 20:33.18 | beandog | I just noticed theres an 1.5rc1 build |
| 20:33.22 | elg | always remeber "It is I, captain vegetable!" |
| 20:33.32 | herlo | ~bonk macnewbold back |
| 20:33.33 | ibot | ACTION bonks macnewbold back over the head |
| 20:33.39 | beandog | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I dunno thats what Im using, never had problems with it. |
| 20:33.44 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I heard M$ wrote one that might be better than rdesktop |
| 20:33.54 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | not sure where to get it though |
| 20:34.05 | levi | It says what I just said. 'You are he' is technically more correct, but more formal and both are acceptable in usage. |
| 20:34.30 | elg | i say it should be, "Are you it?" |
| 20:34.40 | grammarnazi | copulative verb |
| 20:34.48 | macnewbold | or "Who are you?" |
| 20:34.54 | elg | and I've thought about using it as a pronoun for myself instead of he |
| 20:35.57 | tene | "Are you elg?" |
| 20:36.43 | grammarnazi | tene: No, no I'm not. |
| 20:36.47 | levi | Anyway, a true proscriptivist grammar nazi would probably say 'You are he' is correct and 'You are him' is incorrect, but a linguist would disagree. |
| 20:37.23 | elg | the real question is whether ms bitters would agree |
| 20:37.32 | grammarnazi | See, I would say "you are he" is wrong because it sounds like you're sucking on a lemon while twirling on... uhm... *cough* |
| 20:37.40 | grammarnazi | You know, this being a family channel and all... |
| 20:37.47 | elg | I am the eggman |
| 20:37.55 | macnewbold | no, you are the walrus |
| 20:38.00 | tene | "Are you Firstname?" "Firstname Lastname?" |
| 20:38.17 | macnewbold | koo koo ca choo |
| 20:38.21 | macnewbold | or however you spell that |
| 20:38.43 | elg | maquis: do you know what we're talking about? |
| 20:42.39 | blogaddict | restaurant is so annoying to type, why can't we just call them foodplaces ? |
| 20:43.00 | herlo | blogaddict: or eaties |
| 20:43.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | we've replaced most of our other french words - why not |
| 20:43.13 | herlo | blogaddict: or foodies |
| 20:43.17 | elg | foodplace is just as annoying |
| 20:43.29 | elg | eatery |
| 20:43.30 | herlo | blogaddict: or snarfles |
| 20:43.31 | elg | that's ok |
| 20:44.22 | blogaddict | Although feeders would probably better 'cause I want to be fed, not eaten. |
| 20:44.26 | herlo | or snackles, snackies, munchers munchles, foodholes, carbowells, or others... |
| 20:45.10 | blogaddict | Oh, no, nothing containing snack. |
| 20:45.41 | blogaddict | Maybe lottagrubs instead. |
| 20:45.55 | blogaddict | Or gutbusters. |
| 20:46.36 | herlo | or nummies |
| 20:47.00 | herlo | or bloaters |
| 20:47.01 | blogaddict | nummies sounds vaguely obscene |
| 20:47.17 | vontrapp | can't be foodies, that's reserved for food nuts |
| 20:47.27 | vontrapp | i like carbowell |
| 20:47.47 | herlo | vontrapp: thanx, what about foodles |
| 20:47.59 | herlo | foo - dels |
| 20:48.21 | blogaddict | Is the meaning of hacker can be perverted, so can foodies. |
| 20:48.22 | vontrapp | not to be confused with new dells |
| 20:48.42 | blogaddict | Foodies get to keep foodie only if they agree to help bring back hacker. |
| 20:49.26 | herlo | for i in foodle; |
| 20:49.26 | herlo | do |
| 20:49.26 | herlo | grab(food) |
| 20:49.26 | herlo | open(mouth) |
| 20:49.26 | herlo | insert(food, mouth) |
| 20:49.26 | herlo | done |
| 20:49.57 | herlo | ahh, its all reduced to a simple set of function calls |
| 20:50.21 | herlo | ~cook foodles |
| 20:50.22 | ibot | ACTION throws foodles in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks foodles on 350 for an hour |
| 20:50.28 | herlo | ~eat foodles |
| 20:50.29 | ibot | ACTION eats foodles and falls over dead |
| 20:50.39 | herlo | lol |
| 20:51.15 | blogaddict | mouth.open && hand.grab(food).shove(mouth) && mouth.close.swallow |
| 20:53.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | anyone know a good ie6 on wine installer? |
| 20:53.26 | blogaddict | on error throw food |
| 20:53.44 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I used one before but now I can't find it |
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| 20:57.14 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh - yum search explorer |
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| 21:02.40 | nick125_lappy | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: did you get any results? :P |
| 21:03.15 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yeah - tells me my system was just flooded with viruses :-) |
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| 21:11.04 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:18.31 | flyboy^ | Hi all. I've been working on my desktop over the last several weeks off and on. I've come up with one I think looks okay. I'd like some feed back. So this is a half "show-off" half "any ideas?" request. ;) |
| 21:18.35 | flyboy^ | http://ryansimpkins.com/ryansdesk_20060714.jpg |
| 21:19.31 | levi | Not my style at all, but pretty nice. |
| 21:20.47 | nick125_lappy | flyboy^: nice |
| 21:21.09 | nick125_lappy | I used to use that theme |
| 21:21.36 | flyboy^ | I work in a dimmed environment, so I like things a bit darker. |
| 21:21.54 | flyboy^ | I wish black was the default on all web pages. :) |
| 21:22.37 | tene | http://alternet.org/blogs/peek/38797/ |
| 21:23.41 | tene | Net Neutrality humor. |
| 21:23.51 | flyboy^ | A series of tubes. |
| 21:23.57 | flyboy^ | Makes sense. |
| 21:24.08 | tene | Tangled up tubes. |
| 21:24.13 | tene | But not a truck. |
| 21:24.15 | flyboy^ | Kinda like at the bank. |
| 21:24.52 | flyboy^ | All I wanna know is this: Does the Internet suck or blow on the tubes? |
| 21:25.07 | tene | the internet *is* the tubes. |
| 21:25.26 | flyboy^ | But where is the vaccum source? |
| 21:25.35 | flyboy^ | Does the Internet terminate at Al Gore's house? |
| 21:25.41 | tene | the clients, I guess. |
| 21:25.49 | flyboy^ | It's all powered by a dirt devil I bet. |
| 21:25.50 | tene | servers push and clients pull? |
| 21:26.21 | flyboy^ | Al Gore and his vaccum keeping the Internet tubes runnings. ;) |
| 21:32.34 | elg | nice checkers |
| 21:32.46 | elg | they'd drive me nuts, but they're nice to look at on your desktop :) |
| 21:39.27 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~lart IE |
| 21:39.41 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it's almost as if IE has a different pixel size than FF |
| 21:39.53 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | makes it a *huge* pain to design with css |
| 21:41.55 | goozbach | use ems |
| 21:41.57 | goozbach | em's |
| 21:42.03 | goozbach | pixels aren |
| 21:42.04 | elg | use rms |
| 21:42.20 | goozbach | pixels aren't standard across platforms |
| 21:42.27 | elg | not to mention monitors |
| 21:42.32 | goozbach | ie they are a fixed size |
| 21:42.38 | goozbach | use one of the relative sizes |
| 21:42.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | goozbach: I am |
| 21:42.53 | goozbach | em or ex |
| 21:43.11 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | you have to use pixels for width: and margin: though |
| 21:43.16 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I don't think it's that though |
| 21:43.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | something else is going on |
| 21:43.36 | goozbach | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: use percentages |
| 21:44.00 | goozbach | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: have you seen the CSS cheatsheet on ilovejackdaniels.com? |
| 21:44.13 | goozbach | holy crap it's almost 6 |
| 21:44.42 | elg | ~home goozbach |
| 21:44.56 | goozbach | no wonder sjansen/shrug/hislo/hungry was fiddling with nicks |
| 21:45.05 | goozbach | ~home me |
| 21:45.44 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | goozbach: can't use all percentages in this case - causes text to wrap |
| 21:45.51 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I'm using percentages where I can though |
| 21:46.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | (see bulletproof design by Dan Cederholm) |
| 21:46.42 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | If I see one more digg article on how to make something look like OS X I'm going to shoot something |
| 21:46.51 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~shoot something |
| 21:46.53 | ibot | ACTION shoots something in the head with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 21:47.40 | elg | ~shoot self |
| 21:47.41 | ibot | ACTION shoots self in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 21:47.43 | levi | maquis: http://www.defcon.org/html/defcon-14/dc-14-speakers.html#BrownW |
| 21:47.49 | brac | [DEFCON 14 Speakers] |
| 21:47.54 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~play dead |
| 21:47.58 | ibot | why don't you m{\w{5}_jesse} |
| 21:50.22 | beandog | http://games.atari.com/playgames/monopoly/lobby.jsp |
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| 21:55.12 | elg | login screen |
| 21:55.25 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:58.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | for some reason mailman's web interface won't execute the python files in the cgi-bin directory on my server. It keeps trying to just read them as text. |
| 21:58.29 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | outputs a bunch of jibberish |
| 21:58.41 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I've got Options ExecCGI on that dir |
| 21:58.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | and all the files have execute permissions |
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| 22:07.38 | elg | guess you're not meant to run a ml |
| 22:07.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I'm really not |
| 22:07.57 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I'm a developer, dang it |
| 22:08.10 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | developers, developers, developers, developers... |
| 22:08.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | It's the only way I can get my extended family to all join one list though |
| 22:08.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | they refuse to join yahoogroups because they don't want spam |
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| 22:10.44 | hagna | in linux is there a way to know which loadable module a NIC is using? I'm trying to make the kernel match the liveCD |
| 22:10.53 | elg | grep dmesg |
| 22:11.02 | elg | well, less dmesg and search for eth0 |
| 22:11.10 | hagna | ooh ok |
| 22:11.11 | elg | and nearby is where the kernel module got it |
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| 22:14.19 | hagna | I knew that I just needed you to remind me |
| 22:14.24 | hagna | elg, thanks |
| 22:14.38 | elg | that's why I'm here |
| 22:14.41 | tene | alternately, just lsmod and then rmmod until your NIC stops working. |
| 22:14.42 | tene | >.> |
| 22:14.52 | mheath_ | yah, new shoes. |
| 22:14.57 | elg | especially effective when doing it remotely |
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| 22:47.37 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 22:47.50 | elg | don't worry emcnabb, you can take my C course to help out |
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