| 00:46.56 | kober | any of you guys have a copy of an internet policy your company has? We're looking at enforcing one at our company we've had a spread of virii over email from the sales people as of late :P |
| 00:48.01 | tene | We don't have or use one at all. |
| 01:01.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | kober, my fathers company has none at all |
| 01:01.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | 9-10 employees |
| 01:03.07 | kober | yeah neither does ours and its now becoming a problem |
| 01:03.22 | kober | and its not a fireable offense since there is no policy in place to say they can't be stupid |
| 01:03.23 | ScytheBlade1 | My dad's place doesn't either, and they're at maybe 25 employees |
| 01:08.13 | tene | our policy is "hire smart people" |
| 01:08.31 | kober | you guys don't have sales people then? |
| 01:08.34 | kober | :D |
| 01:08.46 | tene | We're trying to hire one right now, actually. |
| 01:08.56 | tene | Do you know any good sales people? |
| 01:09.20 | kober | Good sales people yes, Good sales people that know how to use the Internet without getting a virus, no. |
| 01:10.23 | nick125_lappy | put them all on linux boxes |
| 01:11.05 | kober | I'd love to come work for your company if you allow that |
| 01:13.10 | tene | Are you a sales person? |
| 01:14.31 | kober | i'm a developer :[ |
| 01:15.21 | kober | The only Linux we have in our company is our Firewall/Router and 1 Webserver |
| 01:15.34 | kober | Everything else is win2k3. |
| 01:15.38 | kober | or xp for clients |
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| 01:15.43 | nick125_lappy | that really sucks |
| 01:15.49 | kober | yeah |
| 01:24.38 | maquis | does anybody know of any open-source photo-gallery software that just uses the directory structure for finding / organizing pictures? |
| 01:25.20 | tene | 'gallery' comes to mind. |
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| 01:25.46 | maquis | tene: last i checked, that involved uploading the pictures rather than just having it look at your directory structure |
| 01:26.20 | tene | eh? I'm thinking of a command-line tool that will generate html pages and thumbnails. |
| 01:26.40 | maquis | i want to just give it a list of directories, and have it automatically pay attention to those directories and look for new pictures, add them into the database, display them, allow comments, etc |
| 01:27.10 | tene | Nope, never seen one like that. |
| 01:27.13 | maquis | mmk |
| 01:28.57 | maquis | does anybody else see that as something that'd be interesting / useful? or is it just me? |
| 01:29.06 | tene | I do. |
| 01:29.12 | maquis | k |
| 01:33.33 | levi_ | Oh, wow, maquis is here. |
| 01:36.19 | maquis | levi_: yup |
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| 01:36.35 | levi_ | Shouldn't you be hanging out with someone? ;) |
| 01:36.43 | maquis | have to drive the bf to the airport at 4:30 tomorrow morning, so i'm going to bed soon.. then i'll be online (and bored and lonely) for a month while he's at rotc training |
| 01:37.27 | levi_ | Bummer. |
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| 02:04.25 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/80731.aspx |
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| 02:50.43 | maquis | gnight all |
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| 02:53.13 | scottj | anyone know of an ajax site where you can mark stuff on google maps and maybe put comments? I want to mark places I'd like to stop on a trip |
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| 03:07.10 | tensai | scottj: frappr? |
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| 04:34.39 | mheath | Abort, Retry, Fail? |
| 04:37.18 | levi_ | Fail. |
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| 05:53.16 | xbmodder_newlapp | hi |
| 05:56.22 | herlo | hi |
| 05:58.39 | xbmodder_newlapp | hi |
| 06:03.53 | mheath | Cyclic Redundancy Check tripped. |
| 06:04.01 | mheath | ~lart xbmodder_newlapp |
| 06:05.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 06:06.10 | bonez41 | xbmodder, or anyone>..I have 33 photo files...*.jpg..trying, using mutt to attach all 33 files..to email message.is there any way to get this done, other than one at a slow time? |
| 06:07.09 | mheath | bonez41: get a different client, or zip them? |
| 06:07.57 | bonez41 | ah.....too easy..... |
| 06:08.04 | bonez41 | I'll zip 'em up.... |
| 06:12.19 | bonez41 | mheath, I tried gzip *.JPG and all it did was to zip each file, renaming it *.JPG.gz |
| 06:12.30 | bonez41 | that's NOT what I wanted |
| 06:12.56 | bonez41 | I want to put all the .JPG files into one archived .zip .. and then email that... |
| 06:13.02 | levi_ | gzip doesn't do zips |
| 06:13.16 | mheath | gzip doesn't do zip, and gzip is for single files. |
| 06:13.18 | levi_ | Rather, it doesn't do .zip |
| 06:13.50 | mheath | sleep too |
| 06:14.46 | bonez41 | so do I use tar for an archive? |
| 06:15.19 | levi_ | Yes, but that won't make a .zip file. |
| 06:15.28 | levi_ | You have to use zip to make a .zip file. |
| 06:17.58 | bonez41 | just plain old zip? |
| 06:18.29 | bonez41 | I need to make a .zip file of all these uncompressed *.jpg files...that my wife can easily open from Outlook Express.... |
| 06:19.48 | bonez41 | ok, doing the apt-get install zip routine now.... |
| 06:19.53 | bonez41 | I'll give it a try....in a minute |
| 06:27.52 | bonez41 | ok, zip worked fine.... |
| 06:34.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | upload them to flickr |
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| 09:06.35 | bonez41 | up early, eh maquis |
| 09:06.39 | bonez41 | I have yet to go to bed... |
| 09:06.54 | maquis | bonez41: yeah... up early |
| 09:07.03 | maquis | bf needs to go to airport... |
| 09:07.37 | maquis | currently trying to decide if i can safely take a few more minutes before getting out of bed |
| 09:08.27 | bonez41 | hmmm |
| 09:12.55 | maquis | hmm? |
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| 14:02.27 | elg | oooh, gnucash 2.0 |
| 14:11.45 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.45 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.56 | mheath | That's great. Now Japan is debating whether a preemtive strike on North Korea is against their constitution. |
| 14:39.26 | mheath | With their friendly little peace treaty with China, get ready for WWIII. |
| 14:41.57 | maquis | mheath: source? |
| 14:42.47 | mheath | http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/10/us.nkorea.ap/index.html |
| 14:42.48 | brac | [CNN.com - Japan debates strikes on N. Korea - Jul 10, 2006] |
| 14:43.01 | mheath | It's not a sudden "We want to go bomb them, can we do it?" thing |
| 14:43.16 | mheath | but they're considering, if the need arises, whether an attack on N. Korea would be valid |
| 14:43.35 | mheath | Japan is usually the most aggressive party in the North Korea issue though |
| 14:43.36 | maquis | yeha... but that's scary |
| 14:43.56 | mheath | Scary for who? You? Heh! |
| 14:44.01 | maquis | for the world |
| 14:44.12 | mheath | You live in utah, maquis. You go to college. |
| 14:44.24 | maquis | mheath: not for long |
| 14:44.26 | mheath | I'LL be in the USMC Infantry about the time that stuff starts to happen =P |
| 14:44.36 | maquis | mheath: and that's your choice |
| 14:44.44 | maquis | and my bf is going to be in the army reserves |
| 14:45.14 | mheath | Army will be safer, for a while. |
| 14:45.23 | maquis | perhaps |
| 14:54.57 | elg | sheesh. gnucash' website is slashdotted, and it's not even on /. yet |
| 14:55.17 | redbeard1 | gnucash is up? |
| 14:59.00 | elg | gnucash 2.0 released |
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| 15:12.53 | bonez41 | elg, are you using gnucash? |
| 15:13.06 | elg | yes |
| 15:13.22 | bonez41 | elg, ever used sql-ledger? |
| 15:13.28 | elg | nope |
| 15:13.51 | mheath | Can anyone offer/suggest a free webhost for a low traffic personal site? |
| 15:14.23 | mheath | I'd go with somethin payed, but soon I'll be in a position where I can't readily manage billling and finances for a while |
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| 15:25.38 | redbeard1 | mheath: you could try mysite.com |
| 15:30.46 | redbeard1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QS-OX9sUwc&search=zidane%20italy |
| 15:32.25 | redbeard1 | good old france, going out with a bang |
| 15:34.50 | levi | Wheee. Good morning. |
| 15:37.21 | mheath | morning levi |
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| 15:42.56 | levi | I had fun with my soldering iron over the weekend. |
| 15:43.15 | Supaplex | how many fingers can you burn at once? :) |
| 15:43.17 | levi | I suck at soldering, but fortunately I didn't screw anything up permanently. |
| 15:43.47 | levi | I had to fix an intermittent connection in the instrument cluster of my new (to me) van. |
| 15:45.27 | levi | Trying to get just the right amount of solder on the PCB with a cheap Radio Shack iron and no skill at all was quite the experience. |
| 15:45.55 | Supaplex | I'm sure |
| 15:46.23 | Supaplex | I have a trusty Weller I bough when I was in highschool. Worth the investement :) |
| 15:46.47 | levi | If I end up doing any more of this, I may need to buy a decent iron. |
| 15:47.16 | Supaplex | I think I paid like $40 in 1993 or something |
| 15:48.45 | flyboy^ | The trick to soldering is using capillary action. |
| 15:50.10 | flyboy^ | And - the second trick is applying the right amount of solder. Too little, or the more common too much - and you might have problems. |
| 15:50.31 | elg | the third trick is overcoming perfectionism ;-) |
| 15:50.34 | flyboy^ | The third trick is having the right kind of solder for the job. ;) |
| 15:50.45 | macnewbold | I like elg's better... |
| 15:50.57 | elg | be at peace with your ugly soldering |
| 15:51.03 | levi | I've got whatever solder Radio Shack sells. Some sort of rosin core stuff. |
| 15:51.04 | elg | electrons don't care |
| 15:51.17 | elg | (if ugly is really the only problem) |
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| 15:51.19 | flyboy^ | Bad soldering can lead to many problems. |
| 15:51.31 | elg | yes, but only ugly won't |
| 15:51.31 | levi | elg: I'm not worried about beauty so much as making sure I don't short pins together with huge globs. |
| 15:51.41 | elg | yeah, that would be bad |
| 15:51.46 | herlo | anybody have some good suggestions for data recovery tools? |
| 15:52.03 | elg | slave labor |
| 15:52.18 | flyboy^ | Applying to much solder is rude to the bloke that has to follow you and use 3 rolls of soldering wick to clean up the mess. |
| 15:52.52 | flyboy^ | herlo: what did you do? |
| 15:52.59 | elg | oh the suspense. this class has 9 people signed up, needs 10 to make |
| 15:53.00 | levi | I do have soldering wick, and I had to use it to reduce said globs. |
| 15:53.23 | levi | Took forever for the stupid iron to heat it enough to soak up solder. |
| 15:53.32 | herlo | flyboy^: nothing major, I have a eide drive setup in my usb case, wont recognize the partition, says its corrupt |
| 15:53.52 | flyboy^ | herlo: The typical fsck doesn't work? |
| 15:53.53 | herlo | flyboy^: but I can't recall what the partition type was and don't wanna lose the data, has lots of my pictures... |
| 15:54.10 | levi | flyboy^: I seriously doubt anyone will be following me on this little repair job. |
| 15:54.12 | herlo | flyboy^: well, I believe I tried that the other day... |
| 15:54.48 | flyboy^ | herlo: debugfs might be able to give you some info about the partition. |
| 15:54.52 | levi | flyboy^: The typical auto repair solution to a malfunctioning gauge cluster is replacing it with a new gauge cluster. |
| 15:55.01 | herlo | flyboy^: cool, will check it out... |
| 15:55.05 | flyboy^ | If it's ext2/3 |
| 15:55.24 | levi | And I managed to get it looking fairly decent eventually, thanks to solder wick. |
| 15:55.35 | herlo | I am hoping it is, might be fat32 though |
| 15:56.15 | flyboy^ | levi: Soldering is loads of fun. I love the smell of burning flux. |
| 15:56.46 | flyboy^ | herlo: Well, debugfs will safley find out without messing things up. |
| 15:56.51 | herlo | flyboy^: sounds like its parking the drive, I bet I'll have to take it out of the usb case and really give it a good look. This is the second time for this drive model, never buying one of these again |
| 15:57.29 | flyboy^ | herlo: Any chance it's an issue with the case at all? Bad connection or something? |
| 15:57.37 | herlo | could be, checking |
| 15:58.45 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.02 | mheath | Apache doesn't work well on the hurd =P |
| 15:59.03 | ^Migs^ | how do I boot into single user mode on RHEL? |
| 15:59.13 | elg | so use lighttpd or something |
| 15:59.14 | flyboy^ | mheath: Install the Marine Corps Official Linux Distribution (ACN-12394939), with the Howitzer Gun Pack. ;) |
| 15:59.19 | elg | ^Migs^: does it have grub? |
| 15:59.23 | ^Migs^ | I don't nkow |
| 15:59.28 | ^Migs^ | how do I get to grub? |
| 15:59.29 | elg | what rhel? |
| 15:59.32 | ^Migs^ | 4 |
| 15:59.37 | elg | I think it uses grub |
| 15:59.51 | elg | grub is the thing that comes up with the choice of kernels |
| 15:59.58 | ^Migs^ | so how do I grub it up? |
| 16:00.03 | flyboy^ | rhel uses grub unless you tell it not to. |
| 16:00.20 | flyboy^ | ^Migs^: Grub is the boot loader, it's the thing you see right after POST. |
| 16:00.21 | elg | if there's not a single or recovery option or something, then you can always add "single" to the end of the boot line in grub |
| 16:00.25 | ^Migs^ | ok |
| 16:00.31 | ^Migs^ | how do I change a password in grub? |
| 16:00.37 | flyboy^ | ^Migs^: Hit the 'e' key to edit your boot options. |
| 16:01.01 | herlo | although I did miss one directory I know of...need to go back through my scripts again... |
| 16:01.04 | flyboy^ | ^Migs^: Another alternative is to boot in Knoppix, mount the partition, and reset the password in the shadow file. |
| 16:01.09 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 16:01.18 | ^Migs^ | I want to keep this simple. I need to change the root password. |
| 16:01.27 | elg | don't worry about grub password |
| 16:01.27 | ^Migs^ | and someone informed I need to do a single user boot |
| 16:01.38 | macnewbold | not just to change root pass |
| 16:01.38 | elg | do you know the current root password? |
| 16:01.42 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 16:01.44 | macnewbold | just log in and run passwd |
| 16:01.44 | herlo | ^Migs^: single user boot, append a 1 at the end of the kernel line in grub, doen |
| 16:01.46 | macnewbold | ah, that's the problem |
| 16:01.50 | elg | do you have sudo? |
| 16:01.55 | ^Migs^ | what's sudo? |
| 16:02.03 | macnewbold | do you have a way of doing rootly things? |
| 16:02.12 | flyboy^ | ^Migs^: Whoa, let's get you to a common place first. |
| 16:02.13 | macnewbold | su, sudo, etc. that lets you run a root shell? |
| 16:02.15 | ^Migs^ | I have a superuser account. Is that the same thing? |
| 16:02.17 | macnewbold | yes |
| 16:02.20 | macnewbold | close enough |
| 16:02.31 | macnewbold | log in as that account, and run "passwd root" |
| 16:02.41 | macnewbold | and voila |
| 16:02.53 | ^Migs^ | omgkool |
| 16:03.03 | flyboy^ | need .... more .... diet ... coke ... caffine..... |
| 16:03.08 | elg | ~confuse flyboy^ |
| 16:03.10 | ibot | yes those are my bacon today ? |
| 16:03.28 | flyboy^ | ibot: That actually makes perfect sense. |
| 16:04.35 | herlo | ibot: no its my bacon today |
| 16:05.06 | flyboy^ | ^Migs^: Sorry for confusion. When I hear 'reset root password' I think 'i have forgetten root password and do not have any way to log in as an admin any more' |
| 16:08.06 | herlo | well I have no eide drive connections, must search around some more...but it appears to be a problem with these drives...geez ST3200822A, don't buy them... |
| 16:09.19 | macnewbold | what manufacturer and size are they? |
| 16:09.49 | herlo | Seagate Barracudea 7200.7 - 200GB |
| 16:10.00 | herlo | s/Barracudea/Barracuda |
| 16:10.26 | macnewbold | duly noted |
| 16:11.27 | herlo | btw, this is the second drive I received from them...first one failed because of bad electonic board, seems like the same thing... |
| 16:11.42 | herlo | its gonna cost me $25 again to get it fixed... |
| 16:12.26 | herlo | and a hex drive |
| 16:17.31 | herlo | this is lame, I gotta reboot |
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| 16:28.03 | elg | any LA veterans here? |
| 16:28.24 | macnewbold | I've been to LA before, if that's what you mean... |
| 16:29.34 | elg | how long were you there? did you drive around a lot or just walk from your hotel to disneyland? :) |
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| 16:30.12 | levi | I've been to LA before, too. |
| 16:30.29 | herlo | elg, been to LA a lot, whatya need? |
| 16:30.58 | levi | I was actually staying in a timeshare condo on highway 1 between SD and LA for about a week. We went up to LA several times, though. |
| 16:31.36 | levi | LA traffic sucks. |
| 16:31.44 | elg | we're planning on flying in for vontrapp's wedding. the inlaws are putting us all up and live in rancho palos verdes |
| 16:32.02 | elg | looks like tickets to smaller airports than lax are cheaper, e.g. bob hope airport in burbank |
| 16:32.19 | elg | looks fairly close on google maps, but I want a feel for how far it is in LA traffic |
| 16:32.22 | herlo | never been to that airport, nice though..... |
| 16:32.33 | herlo | I heard |
| 16:32.43 | levi | Depends on whether you're in rush hour traffic or not. |
| 16:32.46 | herlo | depends on the time of day |
| 16:32.57 | levi | And which stretches of freeway you have to go through. |
| 16:32.59 | herlo | and avoid the 405 if you can around 5pm... |
| 16:33.15 | herlo | at least from there, you should be near the 210 (I think) |
| 16:33.25 | harleypig | isn't there a way to use mplayer or mpg321 on an audio cd without mounting it? |
| 16:33.37 | elg | harleypig: don't know about mplayer |
| 16:33.49 | elg | mpg321 would have a hard time with raw audio cd |
| 16:33.54 | elg | xmms can do it without mounting |
| 16:33.57 | elg | i think |
| 16:34.18 | levi | You need a cd player program, not an audio file playing program. |
| 16:34.46 | levi | CD player programs tell the cd player parts of the drive to do their thing rather than reading the audio themselves. |
| 16:35.02 | elg | yup |
| 16:35.12 | herlo | elg, take the 101 to the 110, its got carpool lanes and is really a better way to go...IMHO |
| 16:35.32 | harleypig | elg - levi: thanks. |
| 16:37.54 | harleypig | Ok ... how do I get xmms to play the cd? I can't get it to use /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc (which cdrom points to) |
| 16:38.12 | levi | You may have to enable the cd player plugin or something like that. |
| 16:39.55 | harleypig | It is, and it's pointint to the correct drive. |
| 16:40.04 | harleypig | s/drive/location |
| 16:40.09 | harleypig | s/drive/location/ |
| 16:40.13 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:40.20 | elg | xmms has been hit and miss |
| 16:40.26 | elg | look for dedicated cd player things |
| 16:40.49 | elg | or just break down and rip it. ;-) |
| 16:41.01 | harleypig | KDE has a default KsCD player that pops up as soon as the cd is inserted, but the sound won't work, and I can't figure out how to make that work |
| 16:41.12 | harleypig | heh ... I don't know if it's worth it, it's a new cd |
| 16:41.21 | harleypig | Borrowed from someone else. |
| 16:41.25 | elg | you have a cable going from the back of the cd player to your sound card |
| 16:41.25 | harleypig | I guess it won't hurt |
| 16:41.33 | levi | Do you have the CD audio cable hooked up? |
| 16:41.41 | elg | if you don't, then ripping will probably be easier than shutting down the computer, opening the case, etc. |
| 16:41.53 | elg | if you do, then you might just need to adjust your mixer settings |
| 16:41.54 | harleypig | Well, it's laptop ... |
| 16:42.05 | harleypig | And DVD's play without any problem. |
| 16:42.11 | levi | Oh, this is your laptop of doom. :) |
| 16:42.19 | harleypig | :D doom? |
| 16:43.59 | elg | -lart harleypig |
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| 16:47.08 | herlo | okay, so I have no eide capable devices until lunchtime... |
| 16:48.22 | herlo | and its not recognized by fc5 as a valid drive...nor by seatools (the seagate diagnostic tools cd) either |
| 16:49.39 | herlo | any other suggestions from the #utah crowd...? |
| 16:50.10 | levi | Just rip it! |
| 16:50.19 | levi | You can always delete it afterwards if you don't like it. |
| 16:51.02 | herlo | rip it? |
| 16:51.24 | herlo | levi was this a reference to my q? |
| 16:51.58 | levi | Oh, sorry, I got your question and harleypig's dilemma confused. |
| 16:52.09 | levi | I have no suggestions. |
| 17:03.44 | levi | Mmmm, Kraftwerk. |
| 17:08.50 | goozbach | 10 days of vacation. |
| 17:09.10 | goozbach | ending too soon |
| 17:09.37 | goozbach | noooooooooo!!!!!!11111oneoneone!!!!! |
| 17:11.43 | flyboy^ | You get 10 days of vacation!!!! |
| 17:11.54 | flyboy^ | How do I get 10 days of vacation? |
| 17:12.30 | flyboy^ | goozbach: Gimme! This is a stickup! Hand over those 10 days. |
| 17:12.36 | macnewbold | you can easily get at least 10 days off from almost any employer |
| 17:12.40 | macnewbold | right after you submit your two weeks notice |
| 17:12.53 | macnewbold | and fulfill the two weeks |
| 17:13.24 | flyboy^ | Funny thing tho. I want paied vacation. :( |
| 17:14.12 | goozbach | flyboy^: i'm a contractor |
| 17:14.28 | goozbach | i don't work i dont get paid |
| 17:14.35 | goozbach | thats how |
| 17:14.55 | macnewbold | yeah, that works too |
| 17:15.49 | goozbach | but I make enough that i can afford to do that a bit |
| 17:17.06 | macnewbold | yeah, contractors always have to make sure to factor into their rates the cost of taxes, benefits, and "paid" vacation time |
| 17:18.31 | goozbach | and i did and then some |
| 17:18.54 | goozbach | was amazed that they accepted my offer. |
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| 17:20.16 | macnewbold | yeah, it's funny |
| 17:21.09 | macnewbold | we were getting really busy, so we raised rates by $25/hr. we told one potential client it would be $X/hour (our new higher rate) and that we couldn't start on it for at least 4 weeks, and he said "okay, that's fine" |
| 17:21.18 | macnewbold | we were quite surprised |
| 17:22.19 | Jayce^ | goozbach, funny, I was just off for 10 days, but I was paid :) |
| 17:23.04 | flyboy^ | macnewbold: I once raised my rates by $50/hour. All my previous clients stuck. Made me wonder how much they were getting on their side. |
| 17:23.29 | macnewbold | yeah, most of our clients aren't reselling our services but are paying directly. |
| 17:23.36 | harleypig | Jayce^: You've always been off. |
| 17:23.53 | Jayce^ | shhhh |
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| 17:25.56 | elg | -lart cups |
| 17:27.35 | harleypig | omg ... it helps to get information from a site if you don't set your username and password to null!!! |
| 17:27.58 | harleypig | programmatically I mean. |
| 17:28.13 | harleypig | I'll need help to bury the body later. |
| 17:28.14 | harleypig | :> |
| 17:29.04 | harleypig | Unless someone is willing to give me about 30 gallans of sulphuric acid no questions asked (and no questions answered to the cops later). |
| 17:29.52 | harleypig | s/gallans/gallons/ |
| 17:30.09 | harleypig | Hey! where's ibot? |
| 17:30.51 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | wb Jayce^ |
| 17:31.06 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | when you going to OSCON? |
| 17:31.13 | Jayce^ | the week of oscon :) |
| 17:31.36 | nick125_lappy | it doesn't help to go a week after :P |
| 17:31.39 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yes, and when is that week? |
| 17:31.51 | Jayce^ | the week that it's scheduled... |
| 17:32.04 | nick125_lappy | oscon is july 24-28 |
| 17:32.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | nick125_lappy: THANK YOU! |
| 17:32.16 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | :-) |
| 17:34.34 | Jayce^ | I think 5 people from here are going this year |
| 17:34.37 | Jayce^ | no 6 |
| 17:34.57 | nick125_lappy | I hate having no money :( |
| 17:35.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Every company I work for always says they'll pay and then they fall through |
| 17:35.17 | Jayce^ | other people chose other training |
| 17:36.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yeah - usually it is just they want me to go to different training |
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| 17:50.16 | levi | Anyone recall what tools Win 2K has for reformatting partitions? A friend of mine has an ancient Linux partition he wants to reformat for use in Windows. |
| 17:50.44 | flyboy^ | Who are the gnome experts here? |
| 17:51.04 | flyboy^ | I want to hilight something in gnome-terminal and have it auto-copy it. Possible? |
| 17:51.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | levi: go to administrative tools under control panel and there's a tool in there |
| 17:51.30 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | can't remember the name though |
| 17:51.48 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | allows you to globally manage the system, and one of the options is hard disks |
| 17:52.57 | levi | flyboy^: It should automatically go into the X paste buffer. If you want it to go into the gnome paste buffer, you have to hit shift-control-c. |
| 17:54.07 | atoponce | http://imag.lutik.ru/ |
| 17:54.10 | brac | [ascii-movie] |
| 17:54.23 | flyboy^ | levi: Thanks. :) |
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| 18:36.02 | herlo | looks like my error might be with the usb case, not the drive...still diagnosing however. |
| 18:36.14 | findlay | hello |
| 18:36.24 | herlo | findlay: hi |
| 18:40.48 | tene | muffins! |
| 18:41.38 | herlo | ~muffin tene |
| 18:47.16 | findlay | ~power rangers |
| 18:47.38 | findlay | ~wiki power rangers |
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| 18:51.04 | beandog | thats poopy. |
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| 19:11.56 | herlo | looks like I fixed that annoying Shift+Bksp in Xgl, I constantly hit that when I am editing... |
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| 19:16.20 | mrpull | Has anyone ever seen an RSS interface to idlerpg? That could be a fun extension to build if it hasn't already been done. |
| 19:16.34 | nick125_lappy | I haven't heard of it..so, you might have something there |
| 19:17.45 | mrpull | the xml link only has the player info... if it had the "character modifiers" it'd be a cinch |
| 19:18.17 | mrpull | i suppose parsing the irc logs wouldn't be too tough |
| 19:23.00 | elg | grr |
| 19:23.04 | elg | -lart gnucash |
| 19:25.00 | levi | elg: Trying out 2.0? |
| 19:25.38 | elg | 1.9.8 because I'm too lazy to compile for myself |
| 19:25.44 | elg | which is basically the RC for 2.0 |
| 19:25.57 | levi | What's it doing that's lart-worthy? |
| 19:25.59 | elg | it crashed after doing lots of strange new things, on adding a check to the register |
| 19:26.27 | elg | however, I was able to import the log file it made, so I didn't lose anything after all |
| 19:26.28 | levi | Whoops. |
| 19:26.30 | elg | :) |
| 19:26.33 | nick125_lappy | gnucash.org is down :/ |
| 19:26.38 | elg | slashdotted |
| 19:26.47 | nick125_lappy | nice |
| 19:26.47 | levi | Is 2.0 the gtk2 version? |
| 19:26.50 | elg | yeah |
| 19:26.57 | nick125_lappy | yup |
| 19:27.17 | levi | I should look at it again, though I don't really have a home Linux machine with a usable GUI. |
| 19:27.51 | nick125_lappy | getting slashdotted is fun :) |
| 19:28.16 | levi | The home machine that's hooked up to the monitor runs XP, since my wife likes to play games like The Sims. |
| 19:28.23 | tensai | I looked at kmymoney and it was nice. easier to use for the unitiated. |
| 19:28.43 | tensai | I still haven't found anything that does budgeting well. that's what I really want. |
| 19:28.49 | levi | We currently use an Excel spreadsheet. |
| 19:28.59 | tensai | yes, same here except s/Excel/Gnucash/ |
| 19:29.20 | levi | Gnucash has a spreadsheet? Or do you mean gnumeric? |
| 19:29.35 | tensai | yes, gnumeric. been one of those days |
| 19:29.46 | macnewbold | *cough* open office *cough* |
| 19:29.53 | tensai | too many gnu* and k* apps anyway |
| 19:30.31 | levi | Gnumeric is more or less Excel in Gnu clothing, anyway. |
| 19:30.35 | tensai | macnewbold: gnumeric is nice and snappy on this old machine |
| 19:30.44 | tene | tensai: we should combine them all into 'knu*' |
| 19:30.48 | levi | At least as far as my depth of spreadsheet knowledge goes. |
| 19:31.25 | tensai | levi: I know they've put a lot of effort into duplicating all the excel functions |
| 19:31.30 | beandog | oh man |
| 19:31.36 | beandog | gnumeric freaking smacks OOo for me. |
| 19:32.03 | elg | tensai: gnucash supposedly has budgeting now |
| 19:32.07 | tensai | who's ready for a sql query? |
| 19:32.09 | elg | haven't looked at it yet though |
| 19:32.19 | tensai | elg: didn't see it in the roadmap. could have missed it. |
| 19:32.20 | levi | elg: I'll definitely have to check it out then. |
| 19:32.42 | elg | it's in the announcement and the current manual |
| 19:32.59 | levi | I've been tempted to write my own web-based budget-tracking app, but I have no time for it. |
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| 19:33.38 | tensai | two tables, customer and services. I want to LEFT JOIN customer to services. I want it to return only rows where services.active = 'Y' |
| 19:34.00 | elg | in the past we've done a spreadsheet (in oOO) for our budget. works ok, but you miss the automatic reports to see if you're on budget |
| 19:34.06 | tensai | but actually there are 3 LEFT JOINs, customer & service1, customer & service2, etc. |
| 19:34.18 | tensai | so I can't just use a WHERE clause |
| 19:34.26 | tensai | ideas? make sense? beuller? |
| 19:34.42 | beandog | write a view? |
| 19:34.45 | beandog | then use a where clause |
| 19:34.46 | tensai | elg: yes, that's what I want. well, not *want*, but *need* |
| 19:35.03 | levi | elg: Heh. In our case, there's no point in asking if we're on budget, because the answer is nearly always 'no'. ;) |
| 19:35.19 | tensai | beandog: hmm. that might work. I'd prefer a solution that doesn't add anything to the database though. |
| 19:36.26 | levi | elg: My 'solution' is to leave a huge gap between the budgeted income and real income, so there's padding for whatever budget area we happen to blow through. |
| 19:36.39 | elg | well the reason to ask if you're on budget is so you can either adjust your budget or your spending habits |
| 19:36.48 | elg | otherwise there's no point for continuing |
| 19:37.07 | beandog | tensai: sub selects? |
| 19:37.10 | beandog | oh wait, cant do where in those. |
| 19:37.11 | elg | levi: our solution is a nice fat "misc" |
| 19:37.15 | beandog | well, in my database at least. |
| 19:37.25 | tensai | this is sql server |
| 19:37.32 | beandog | oh |
| 19:37.34 | beandog | that is my database. |
| 19:38.03 | levi | Theoretically, yes, but our fiscal discipline is weak. |
| 19:38.12 | beandog | 2000? |
| 19:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Does anyone here know if you can use gnucash + Zions Bank? |
| 19:41.28 | nick125_lappy | :( gnucash 2.0 isn't in portage |
| 19:41.32 | beandog | what? |
| 19:41.40 | elg | levi: well it's the same thing, you just let your lack of discipline pour into misc instead of some void |
| 19:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, no but it's available at sf.net/projects/gnucash |
| 19:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> Is there a mirror of the 2.0 tarball anywhere? ;) |
| 19:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> /. + digg > gnucash.org |
| 19:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | <jsled> ScytheBlade1: sourceforge. |
| 19:42.08 | beandog | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122337 |
| 19:42.14 | beandog | nick125_lappy: ^^ |
| 19:42.27 | herlo | http://www.opendns.com/faq/ |
| 19:42.28 | brac | [OpenDNS > FAQ] |
| 19:42.28 | elg | ScytheBlade1: it was /.ed before it was on /. or digg |
| 19:42.37 | herlo | http://www.opendns.com/who/ |
| 19:42.38 | brac | [OpenDNS > Who We Are] |
| 19:42.43 | elg | well, maybe the PeopleDumbEnoughToPay/. got to see it |
| 19:42.45 | beandog | Actually I dont even see any 2.0 ebuilds. |
| 19:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | elg, I'm sure it was, but the slashdot and digg cres sure didn't help :) |
| 19:42.47 | beandog | Thats poopy. |
| 19:43.00 | elg | I saw it first on LWN, and it was already way slow |
| 19:43.18 | elg | yeah, it's probably 100% gone now |
| 19:43.40 | levi | ScytheBlade1: I think I've imported a Zions Bank exported qif into GnuCash before, but it was a long time ago. |
| 19:43.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It took 6 minutes to get the intital connection, but their server is still working |
| 19:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, I mean actively sync with the bank (similar to quicken) |
| 19:44.11 | levi | ScytheBlade1: That I don't know about. |
| 19:44.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Apparently the 2.0 release can do that, assuming said bank isn't locked into Quicken's specific format |
| 19:44.16 | elg | it supposedly does some ofx thing |
| 19:44.27 | elg | but I've never been very fond of the data from the bank |
| 19:44.29 | elg | too cryptic |
| 19:44.47 | ScytheBlade1 | elg, compared to qfx (quicken's), it's pretty open ;) |
| 19:44.55 | levi | It always requires editing and reconciling before it makes any sense. |
| 19:45.54 | elg | no, I mean the fields |
| 19:46.13 | levi | I'm not sure what you mean, then. |
| 19:46.21 | elg | like my bank statement this month had some POS that sayd PAYPAL *COMPUT |
| 19:46.37 | elg | and i can't remember what it was for (I usually keep my receipts, this one disappeared) |
| 19:46.55 | elg | I dn't have paypal use this account, so I know it wasn' me paying for something with paypal |
| 19:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | elg, it could be that a store you used, utilizes paypal |
| 19:47.13 | levi | Yeah, that's what I meant. You have to decipher those POS designations and edit them to reconcile them with your receipts. |
| 19:47.17 | elg | exactly |
| 19:47.37 | elg | if I had entered the receipt myself, I'd have something useful. if I'd downloaded it from the bank, junk |
| 19:47.47 | nick125_lappy | beandog: it looks like the 1.9.0 ebuild renamed works too.. |
| 19:47.50 | elg | and even when it's not junk, it's ALL CAPS |
| 19:48.35 | levi | When I was using Quicken, it would start learning them and make it easier to switch them. Though it sometimes got confused, which was even worse. |
| 19:48.59 | elg | gnucash has some sort of bayesian thing for import, I saw in the preferences |
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| 19:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I'm on the last dependancy before I can install gnucash myself |
| 19:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://zionsbank.com/securentry.jsp?cid=2399 <-- I really dislike that idea though |
| 19:53.46 | levi | http://fob.po8.org/node/173 |
| 19:55.41 | levi | ScytheBlade1: Why do you dislike it? |
| 19:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, read the FAQ. They have "authenticated devices" |
| 19:56.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ie, a windows application you install. |
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| 19:57.03 | levi | No. |
| 19:57.17 | ScytheBlade1 | levi: ? |
| 19:58.17 | levi | Where'd you read anything about Windows applications? As far as I can tell, it's all web-based. |
| 19:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 19:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 5. What is a registered device? |
| 19:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | A registered device is a computer you use to access your online accounts through SecurEntry. A registered computer has had a unique identifier assigned to it that is only recognized by SecurEntry." |
| 19:58.47 | levi | Yeah, like a cookie. |
| 19:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "Un-registering a computer can be done by accessing the account maintenance link under the Services tab, once you have logged into Internet Banking." |
| 19:59.14 | levi | They're adding a custom image and some challenge/response questions you have to go through to get a cookie. |
| 19:59.17 | beandog | SecurEntry? |
| 19:59.24 | beandog | Is that supposed to flow? |
| 19:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | How would a cookie with with that? |
| 19:59.44 | beandog | ur != en |
| 19:59.45 | levi | If you unregister the computer, the cookie becomes invalid. |
| 20:00.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And in the (increasingly common) chance that people flush their cookies? |
| 20:00.12 | levi | Then you have to go through the challenge/response phase again. |
| 20:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I mean, both of my grandparents run anti spyware now, and it commonly flushes their cookies |
| 20:00.35 | levi | It's a scheme to prevent phishing. |
| 20:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, without a doubt |
| 20:02.12 | levi | I think your assumptions about how it works are invalid. There's no evidence in the FAQ or the demo link that suggests a Windows-only client is necessary. |
| 20:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | This is true |
| 20:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | But a cookie is rather insufficient to provide a "unique identifier" |
| 20:04.37 | elg | sounds like a skepticism tradeoff |
| 20:04.52 | ScytheBlade1 | A webpage can only give you so much information about a computer, the "unique identifier" is going to be basically limited to the browser user agent |
| 20:04.54 | elg | either you assume they're going to do something windowsy |
| 20:04.58 | ScytheBlade1 | unless it's something else |
| 20:05.06 | elg | or you assume they're just talking up something unspecial |
| 20:05.14 | ScytheBlade1 | pretty much |
| 20:05.28 | elg | i'd give either a 50/50 chance |
| 20:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | On the other hand, they could always take the user agent, IP, and a timestamp, and hash them together |
| 20:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | auto-renew valid hashes |
| 20:06.05 | levi | ScytheBlade1: It's unique because they assign it to you in a cookie. |
| 20:07.24 | levi | Most cookies have unique identifiers in them. |
| 20:07.36 | elg | session id |
| 20:07.50 | elg | e.g. nothing that everyone hasn't been doing for years |
| 20:08.05 | elg | but slap a clever name that drops a letter onto it and it's a selling point |
| 20:08.08 | flyboy^ | Yeah, sounds like session cookies to me as well. |
| 20:08.52 | levi | This is just a meta-session used to pre-authenticate your browser. |
| 20:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that is a definite possibility |
| 20:09.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I still have an impending feeling of doom about it, though. |
| 20:10.46 | levi | I'm skeptical about its utility, but I have no sense of doom about it. |
| 20:11.02 | elg | nor do i, for I don't use zion's bank |
| 20:11.24 | levi | I do use Zions Bank, and I don't have a sense of doom about it. |
| 20:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I've only used their web interface |
| 20:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | It's good, don't get me wrong |
| 20:11.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I just don't want them to throw an ActiveX at me |
| 20:12.05 | elg | i have a sense of doom abou zions independent of their online banking technology |
| 20:13.18 | levi | elg: Why's that? |
| 20:13.41 | elg | i don' |
| 20:13.45 | elg | t remember |
| 20:13.49 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:14.24 | levi | Well, I haven't had any problems with them, and they have a particular savings account (online money market account) with a great interest rate. |
| 20:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohhhh, it looks like LibOFX can support QFX |
| 20:20.41 | tristanbob_ | no route to host? interesting |
| 20:21.33 | xbmodder_newlapp | :-/ |
| 20:21.35 | xbmodder_newlapp | thats bad |
| 20:21.47 | xbmodder_newlapp | especially over the internet |
| 20:22.00 | tristanbob_ | his network no longer exists! |
| 20:22.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | ..yes... |
| 20:22.09 | tristanbob_ | I wonder what ISP |
| 20:22.17 | xbmodder_newlapp | not really |
| 20:22.24 | xbmodder_newlapp | like unplugging your modem will report that |
| 20:22.41 | ^Migs^ | what are some good 2.0 speakers? |
| 20:22.46 | tristanbob_ | really? I thought that would be connection reset or timed out |
| 20:24.43 | macnewbold | 2.0 as in two-channel stereo? |
| 20:25.28 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 20:25.33 | ^Migs^ | without the subwoofer |
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| 20:27.30 | macnewbold | for a computer, or something else? |
| 20:27.41 | ^Migs^ | computer |
| 20:27.44 | macnewbold | I usually go with whatever is $10-20 at wherever |
| 20:28.14 | macnewbold | but if you want higher quality, my partner bought a great pair with a nice subwoofer for $40 |
| 20:28.24 | ^Migs^ | what brand, macnewbold? |
| 20:29.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | pioneer makes 'da shit.... |
| 20:29.09 | macnewbold | correction: they're $25 at software and more, and they're logitech |
| 20:29.18 | macnewbold | ~language xbmodder_newlapp |
| 20:29.19 | ibot | ACTION grabs xbmodder_newlapp by the ear and washes xbmodder_newlapp's mouth out with soap |
| 20:29.21 | xbmodder_newlapp | sorry :-( |
| 20:29.23 | macnewbold | heh |
| 20:29.34 | xbmodder_newlapp | I bought a cheap, used onkyo system |
| 20:29.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | and hooked it up through optical |
| 20:29.46 | ^Migs^ | macnewbold: thx certified? |
| 20:29.50 | xbmodder_newlapp | 600 wats |
| 20:29.59 | xbmodder_newlapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.09 | macnewbold | can 2.0 or 2.1 speakers get thx certified? I thought they had to be surround, at least 5.1 to do that |
| 20:30.13 | nick125_lappy | I bought a logitech set..can't remember which model (it was 2.1) |
| 20:30.21 | macnewbold | they're really good, I don't know about certified |
| 20:30.22 | nick125_lappy | let me look it up |
| 20:30.29 | nick125_lappy | 2.1 can be THX certified |
| 20:30.30 | ^Migs^ | I don't know |
| 20:30.32 | macnewbold | but "sounds good" is my main criteria |
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| 20:31.11 | nick125_lappy | Z-2300 |
| 20:31.20 | nick125_lappy | $94 at newegg |
| 20:32.13 | nick125_lappy | expensive for 2.1, yeah |
| 20:32.20 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 20:32.39 | ^Migs^ | my friend is complaining that his subwoofer is too loud. Even when he turns it down, it's too loud |
| 20:32.43 | ^Migs^ | that's on his Logitech |
| 20:32.45 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 20:32.54 | levi | ^Migs^: Sounds like your friend is getting old! |
| 20:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I recommend a good pair of headphones |
| 20:33.03 | ^Migs^ | he has an x230 |
| 20:34.07 | ^Migs^ | thanks everyone |
| 20:39.42 | macnewbold | his might be broken or something... my partners adjust extremely well, especially on the quiet end, where he uses it most |
| 20:41.17 | beandog | the only problem with headphones is when you forget you have them on your head |
| 20:41.26 | beandog | and you get up and take half your monitor with you |
| 20:41.34 | beandog | not that that's ever happened to me, or anything. |
| 20:46.19 | ScytheBlade1 | beandog, I recommend Sennheiser... detachable cord from the headphones themselves. |
| 20:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | 9' cord, too |
| 20:46.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I once had my foot on the cord and stood up, ripped the wire straight out of the headset |
| 20:46.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Initially thought, "oh crap, there's $60 down the drain" |
| 20:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Then looked and thought, "Sennheiser has my money from here on out, thanks" |
| 20:49.26 | ^Migs^ | I don't get it. My friend is a grad student who sits at home playing Guild Wars 8+ hours a day, eats out every day, and only gets about $20,000 in stipend money a year, yet somehow he's freakin rich. He just bought a $40,000 SUV, and wants to buy about $5000 worth of computer hardware now he doesn't even need. |
| 20:50.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, Guild Wars is free at least ;) |
| 20:51.37 | levi | Your friend probably sells drugs on the side. ;) |
| 20:51.54 | ^Migs^ | he doesn't have time to do that. He's too busy playing Guild Wars. |
| 20:51.57 | levi | Or maybe identity theft. |
| 20:52.12 | levi | Buys credit card info on irc. |
| 20:52.13 | JoshH | or maybe he has a fat inheritance |
| 20:52.32 | JoshH | or a rich woman to support him |
| 20:52.34 | JoshH | that would be the life |
| 20:53.07 | ^Migs^ | no, he doesn't do that either. Too busy playing Guild Wars. |
| 20:53.38 | JoshH | so he has enormous credit debt? |
| 20:53.39 | ^Migs^ | or, like, a harem of rich women |
| 20:53.43 | ^Migs^ | no, he has no debt |
| 20:53.50 | ^Migs^ | except the car obviously |
| 20:54.01 | beandog | So, basically ... if I make less money, I can spend more time playing RPGs all day? |
| 20:54.04 | beandog | where do I sign up? |
| 20:54.11 | levi | What kind of rent/mortgage does he pay? |
| 20:54.39 | levi | maquis: Hi, maquis! |
| 20:55.57 | ^Migs^ | $550/mo |
| 20:56.03 | ^Migs^ | and he spends about $500/mo on food |
| 20:56.21 | beandog | maybe hes got cancer |
| 20:56.27 | beandog | he'll be dead in 3 months. |
| 20:57.04 | levi | Well, 20k gives you 1,666/mo. I'm not sure how much of that gets taxed. |
| 20:57.05 | ^Migs^ | after taxes, he makes about $1600/mo |
| 20:57.13 | ^Migs^ | it's 24k, actually |
| 20:57.21 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 20:57.28 | ^Migs^ | I find this baffling |
| 20:58.30 | levi | Well, that leaves $550 for a car payment, insurance, and gas. |
| 20:58.41 | maquis | levi: hi |
| 20:58.48 | levi | Which doesn't make much sense for a $40k SUV. |
| 20:58.58 | levi | maquis: Too early for that! |
| 20:59.13 | maquis | levi: not for the time i woke up this morning |
| 20:59.36 | levi | When did you get up? |
| 20:59.41 | maquis | 3:30 |
| 20:59.55 | levi | You haven't even been up for 12 hours yet! |
| 21:00.26 | maquis | yeah... but i got tons of random phone calls last night while i was trying to get to sleep |
| 21:00.44 | maquis | and my body isn't exactly good at going to bed early |
| 21:00.51 | levi | Oh. Well, a short nap might be in order, then. |
| 21:01.03 | maquis | so, in essence, i didn't really get to sleep well until after 1 |
| 21:01.12 | levi | Naps are nice. |
| 21:01.28 | levi | Unless they prevent your from sleeping later on, but that doesn't sound like it will be a problem for you. |
| 21:05.52 | maquis | so, we're listening to "Title of the Song" by Da Vinci's notebook in cs428 class |
| 21:07.27 | ^Migs^ | heh, that's a good song |
| 21:08.31 | maquis | lol... great quote from my prof: "so, here are the slides on the gang of four book by dr rodham" |
| 21:08.57 | herlo | maquis: what class is this? BYU? |
| 21:09.14 | herlo | maquis: sounds intriquing... |
| 21:09.24 | herlo | s/intriquing/intriguing |
| 21:09.32 | maquis | herlo: it's cs428 at BYU |
| 21:09.43 | ^Migs^ | what's CS428? |
| 21:09.48 | maquis | the comment about the gang of four book is a pretty entertaining misstatement |
| 21:09.54 | maquis | ^Migs^: software engineering |
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| 21:10.10 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 21:10.18 | flyboy^ | maquis: I don't get it. |
| 21:10.44 | maquis | flyboy^: it sounded like he was saying that the gang of four book was written by dr rodham |
| 21:11.16 | flyboy^ | oh, they are slides by dr rodham, about gang of four - which was written by someone else? |
| 21:11.55 | maquis | the gang of four was 4 authors who wrote the book |
| 21:12.07 | flyboy^ | Ahh. |
| 21:12.07 | maquis | the slides are by dr rodham, who's one of the profs here |
| 21:12.19 | ^Migs^ | wow that's.....hilarious |
| 21:12.20 | maquis | ~google gang of four |
| 21:12.29 | maquis | ~wiki gang of four |
| 21:12.59 | maquis | hmmm |
| 21:13.01 | maquis | wrong gang of four |
| 21:13.12 | elg | heh |
| 21:13.19 | elg | ~wiki gof |
| 21:13.58 | maquis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four_%28software%29 |
| 21:14.45 | levi | We watched the OOPSLA mock trial of the GoF in my Design Patterns class. |
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| 21:17.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | How long does dreamhost take to registar a domain name? |
| 21:26.54 | tensai | ~sends maquis to china |
| 21:27.02 | tensai | er... |
| 21:27.17 | maquis | why? :( |
| 21:27.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 21:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | You wouldn't be bored! |
| 21:33.59 | tensai | maquis: to investigate this gang of four story |
| 21:35.37 | maquis | tensai: ah |
| 21:36.12 | elg | -lart Jayce^ |
| 21:36.21 | elg | stupid bot |
| 21:36.30 | tristanbob_ | herlo: This was the message when you left last time "herlo has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))" |
| 21:36.38 | tristanbob_ | anything unusual happen? |
| 21:36.52 | elg | his host went four wheeling |
| 21:37.14 | Jayce^ | ~lart elg |
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| 22:02.34 | mheath | Does anyone have a recommendation for a Linux distribution to install for a simple, easy server |
| 22:02.36 | mheath | ? |
| 22:02.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mheath: Fedora |
| 22:02.59 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | <insert_favorite_distro_here> |
| 22:03.02 | mheath | I don't want something that forces me to install a GUI. |
| 22:03.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mheath: if you just set it up as a server it won't install a GUI |
| 22:03.27 | mheath | I'm looking for something simple, tha won't have problems if left unattended for a while, on a headless machine |
| 22:03.31 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | you can even do a text-mode install if you really want |
| 22:03.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mheath: that's what I do, works great w/ Fedora |
| 22:04.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | of course I could hear the same argument with Gentoo, Ubuntu, Suse, and many others |
| 22:04.37 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Fedora has had the least problems for me though |
| 22:04.40 | macnewbold | mheath: FreeBSD |
| 22:04.41 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | and fastest install |
| 22:04.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | FreeBSD is good too |
| 22:04.57 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | if you like to veer away from Linux |
| 22:06.10 | Jayce^ | http://www.jumbojoke.com/high_tech_natives_747.html |
| 22:06.11 | brac | [High Tech Natives] |
| 22:06.19 | macnewbold | we use FreeBSD on all our headless boxes - works great |
| 22:06.27 | macnewbold | see also #gubug if you might do the BSD thang |
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| 22:07.57 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | mmm...these cherry corial hersheys kisses are good |
| 22:08.05 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | s/corial/cordial/ |
| 22:08.35 | levi | Mmm, chocolate. |
| 22:08.43 | mheath | I like the idea of FreeBSD |
| 22:08.47 | mheath | Hmmm |
| 22:08.53 | mheath | What version should I use/install? |
| 22:10.09 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | except for anything related to my XBox |
| 22:10.57 | beandog | so |
| 22:11.03 | beandog | has anyone else's power been blipping all day. |
| 22:11.30 | beandog | I started counting at 12:30, its happened 13 times since then. |
| 22:11.40 | beandog | irregular intervals, too. |
| 22:12.02 | beandog | if only Captain Picard were here, we'd know what to do. |
| 22:12.04 | macnewbold | mheath: 6.1 is good, I just put it on a box |
| 22:12.23 | macnewbold | anything they call stable will be great |
| 22:12.35 | macnewbold | the other option would be 5.5, but I think tha'ts the end of the 5.x line |
| 22:12.43 | mheath | I like the idea of a monolithic operating system, too |
| 22:12.52 | mheath | More complete, produced by a single group |
| 22:12.57 | macnewbold | you can bittorrent the isos if you'd like |
| 22:13.04 | mheath | better than the random-bits-and-pieces that make up most linux dsitros |
| 22:13.17 | macnewbold | yeah, and the Ports collection is awesome beyond words |
| 22:13.36 | macnewbold | it's nice that every FreeBSD box you use will have stuff in generally the same place, etc. |
| 22:15.04 | mheath | macnewbold, 6.1-RELEASE? |
| 22:15.13 | macnewbold | yep |
| 22:15.25 | macnewbold | it's the hawtness, as dataw0lf would say if he were still alive |
| 22:15.30 | macnewbold | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 22:15.47 | ibot | dataw0lf <n=dataw0lf@70.103.239.58> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 54d 16h 19m 13s ago, saying: 'link seems dead, levi.'. |
| 22:15.49 | mheath | macnewbold, disc1 and disc2? do I need bootonly? |
| 22:16.32 | macnewbold | I'd do disc1 at least, |
| 22:16.35 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | beandog: sounds like it may be time to call an electrician |
| 22:16.51 | macnewbold | disc2 is extra packages if you wanted to install some stuff from the packages instead of directly via the ports |
| 22:17.01 | macnewbold | either way is fine |
| 22:17.31 | macnewbold | when I set one up, I set it up to track 6-STABLE, and do a make update in /usr/src, which also updates /usr/ports, and then I've got all the latest |
| 22:17.52 | macnewbold | the first build can be a bit slow, but after that you can rebuild pretty quick when they update things |
| 22:18.11 | macnewbold | usually once every 3-6 months is plenty to track the security changes they make that would affect you |
| 22:21.20 | beandog | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: Actually its common for West Jordan, we get power blips on a regular basis. Its just today weve gotten so many. |
| 22:21.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | interesting - I live in Taylorsville, we haven't seen any at least while I've been here |
| 22:22.12 | xbmodder_newlapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.29 | mheath | ..... |
| 22:30.24 | beandog | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/80949.aspx |
| 22:30.27 | beandog | that's classic. |
| 22:40.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~torture elg |
| 22:41.05 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to support Debian GNU/Hurd in production. |
| 22:42.13 | beandog | hehheh |
| 22:42.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | that's a good one for elg |
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| 22:52.40 | nick125_lappy | does hurd even boot? |
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| 23:27.10 | goozbach | every time i think I miss my old job. all i have to do is go on a trip which requires that I fly coach. |
| 23:28.35 | goozbach | kinda an icky day in atk |
| 23:28.47 | goozbach | s/atk/atl/ |
| 23:29.09 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 23:29.11 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 23:29.54 | goozbach | gonna have to change that |
| 23:31.13 | vontrapp | what the crap, plf has gone entirely mandriva |
| 23:32.01 | goozbach | fyi flying cross country, coach, sucks |
| 23:32.12 | goozbach | media center on each seat. and it runs linux |
| 23:32.20 | vontrapp | flying is better than driving, for sure |
| 23:32.23 | vontrapp | ~lart goozbach |
| 23:32.23 | goozbach | although the son aircraft are pretty cool |
| 23:32.35 | goozbach | song that is |
| 23:32.53 | goozbach | and reverse those two lines |