| 00:01.03 | tene | No, I've never used pliers and butter in the same project. |
| 00:03.55 | levi_ | tene: You ought to. It's a remarkable experience. |
| 00:12.50 | levi_ | At least as long as the pliers are used to lift the lid off of a dutch oven. |
| 00:16.11 | beandog | Im getting this weird bug with mythvideo + Internal player |
| 00:16.20 | beandog | not sure if its because its a .mkv, and I'm too lazy to make an AVI |
| 01:09.52 | vontrapp | beandog, what's the bug? |
| 01:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried, I really, really did |
| 01:16.56 | ScytheBlade1 | But no, MS managed to piss me off |
| 01:22.19 | beandog | vontrapp: it shows the video as one thin line |
| 01:23.48 | vontrapp | does ruby have some kind of intersect method for arrays? |
| 01:24.11 | vontrapp | e.g. [1,3,4].intersect([2,3,5]) => [3] |
| 01:26.05 | vontrapp | hmm, ary1 & ary2 does it |
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| 01:46.30 | findlay | excellent |
| 01:47.54 | Supaplex | did some say dutch oven cooking? where's the food? I'm hungry! =:-D |
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| 02:42.41 | nick125_lappy | I HATE THIS!! I *just* finished compilign firefox, and right after it finishes, it crashes! |
| 02:42.58 | nick125_lappy | (it ran out of space on the tmpfs I'm compiling it on) |
| 02:45.27 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 02:46.39 | elg | three cheers for gentoo! |
| 02:47.07 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 02:47.35 | nick125_lappy | and the whole reason I used tmpfs was to speed up the emerge! |
| 02:48.16 | elg | well if you just didn't run out of ram. duh |
| 02:48.39 | nick125_lappy | I made the tmpfs too small |
| 02:48.52 | elg | likely story. the kinds of people using gentoo these days |
| 02:49.27 | nick125_lappy | I shouldve knew that 512MB wasn't enough :P |
| 02:52.05 | dilvie | <-- master cook |
| 02:52.07 | dilvie | ehehe |
| 02:52.09 | dilvie | http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=11414028&blogID=141522176 |
| 02:52.10 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 02:52.11 | brac | [blog.myspace.com/dilvie] |
| 02:52.13 | dilvie | Check out my latest invention |
| 02:52.21 | dilvie | French Toast with Blackberry Red Wine Sauce |
| 02:52.32 | dilvie | don't worry Mormons.. the naughty stuff cooks out. ;) |
| 02:52.40 | dilvie | and I won't tell anybody you bought wine. |
| 02:52.44 | dilvie | ;) |
| 02:53.06 | elg | redbeard1: is that true? I've always wondered just how much is left (in general) |
| 02:53.17 | nick125_lappy | dilvie: you should post a pic of it when its finished :P |
| 02:53.41 | dilvie | I'm going to make more tonight for my wife to taste.. I invented it today |
| 02:54.01 | dilvie | I'll take a picture of the plated recipe then. |
| 02:54.09 | dilvie | maybe a couple pics of the steps, too. |
| 02:54.14 | nick125_lappy | mmm :) |
| 02:54.22 | nick125_lappy | make me some too :P |
| 02:54.30 | nick125_lappy | and maybe DCC it or something |
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| 03:00.06 | dilvie | Nick: Make some of my french toast. =) |
| 03:00.09 | dilvie | It's super easy. |
| 03:00.25 | dilvie | It sounds (and looks, and tastes) a lot fancier than it really is. =) |
| 03:00.52 | dilvie | You can swap out the heavy cream for milk |
| 03:01.23 | dilvie | you must have red wine for it, though, but it can be red cooking wine.. that's what I used today. |
| 03:02.01 | dilvie | I'll probably cook it with really good wine only for special meals (romantic breakfast in bed) |
| 03:02.03 | nick125_lappy | I don't have powered sugar, wine, honey, nor blackberry |
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| 03:02.10 | nick125_lappy | :/ |
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| 03:02.24 | dilvie | oi |
| 03:02.32 | dilvie | those ingredients should be in every kitchen! |
| 03:02.35 | dilvie | stock up. |
| 03:02.37 | dilvie | =) |
| 03:02.46 | nick125_lappy | this kitchen is....minimal :/ |
| 03:03.47 | dilvie | I take it you don't cook often? |
| 03:03.47 | nick125_lappy | we usually don't cook here.. |
| 03:04.07 | nick125_lappy | correct.. |
| 03:04.08 | dilvie | there's nothing like a home cooked meal. |
| 03:04.10 | dilvie | seriously. |
| 03:04.21 | dilvie | It's worth learning. |
| 03:04.32 | redbeard1 | elg: you still around? |
| 03:04.57 | nick125_lappy | everyone here is too lazy to cook at home, so, no one buys anything for me to cook with |
| 03:05.25 | dilvie | Unless you can aford to dine at 4 or 5 star restaraunts, it's the only way to get decent meals regularly. |
| 03:06.02 | dilvie | I'm not rich, so cooking at home is essential for my tastebuds. |
| 03:06.09 | dilvie | I'm a serious food lover. |
| 03:06.19 | elg | redbeard1: yes |
| 03:06.27 | nick125_lappy | all the restaraunts here suck |
| 03:06.31 | nick125_lappy | :/ |
| 03:06.39 | elg | nick125_lappy: do you eat? |
| 03:06.49 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 03:07.32 | elg | ~lart gnome-terminal |
| 03:07.50 | nick125_lappy | what did gnome-terminal do to you? |
| 03:07.56 | redbeard1 | elg: if you're worried about alcohol cooking out, i suggest you give up things like vanilla extract, which has to contain alcohol. the real stuff has to be at least 70 proof, by law. |
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| 03:08.22 | elg | it won't let me bind keys with mod4 |
| 03:08.29 | elg | redbeard1: not worried, just curious |
| 03:08.47 | elg | mostly for the fun it will be to tell people "actually, it doesn't" when at fancy restaurants (if it doesn't) |
| 03:08.53 | elg | after they've eaten, of course |
| 03:09.34 | dilvie | elg: it's a fair bet that all of the alchohol will cook out in a red wine reduction |
| 03:09.35 | redbeard1 | elg: i've seen actual government-sponsored reports that seem to indicate that it is possible for most, if not all of the alcohol to cook out. those who claim it never does have never provided any sort of evidence. |
| 03:10.03 | dilvie | elg: alcohol is the first thing to evaporate, and in a reduction sauce, there's a lot of evaporating going on. |
| 03:10.05 | elg | I think alton mentioned in passing that it doesn't, though I don't know his source |
| 03:10.18 | nick125_lappy | dilvie: it usually does evaporate.. |
| 03:10.29 | elg | oh some definitely does, that's obvious. and in a reduction I'd bet most or all |
| 03:10.43 | redbeard1 | granted, according to these same reports, it does take at least 2 1/2 hours of simmering for it all to disappear, and it still depends on how much you use. |
| 03:11.12 | dilvie | elg: the reduction in this type of sauce is about half the volume or more, and your typical wine is far less than 50% alcohol. =) |
| 03:11.43 | elg | yeah, I was more curious about some dishes where the cooking time is far less |
| 03:11.49 | elg | like flambe |
| 03:11.56 | dilvie | elg: there may be trace amounts of alcohol, but you'll get a much larger dose from a variety of other sources, even if you don't drink. |
| 03:11.58 | redbeard1 | flambe only burns away 30% |
| 03:11.58 | elg | i mean you have fire, and it's cool |
| 03:12.16 | dilvie | flambe is a very quick process |
| 03:12.21 | dilvie | we're talking seconds |
| 03:12.58 | redbeard1 | thing with flambe is, the only stuff that can burn is the airborne stuff, and while the reports say 30%, i'd be surprised if that much was evaporating at once |
| 03:13.18 | dilvie | in this red wine reduction, the sauce evaporates enough that the 100% liquid ingredients thicken into a light syrup -- a process that takes several minutes at a rapid boil. |
| 03:14.03 | elg | sounds thorough. carry on :) |
| 03:14.46 | elg | and dcc me some |
| 03:14.58 | redbeard1 | elg: looking at his recipe, there's no way all the alcohol can evaporate in that amount of time. but it will probably have reduced to less than dealcoholized wine. |
| 03:15.15 | dilvie | even in a flambe, I wouldn't be terribly worried about alcohol content, but in a reduction, any alcohol present is going to be minimal trace stuff... certainly not enough to have any influence on your health. =) |
| 03:15.53 | dilvie | redbeard: my recipe? |
| 03:16.15 | redbeard1 | dilvie: yeah. there's just not enough time to evaporate it all. but there won't be much left. |
| 03:16.20 | elg | we went to la caille once and my bro in law ordered something flambe |
| 03:16.36 | dilvie | redbeard: in my recipe, there's very little alcohol to begin with. There's a very low liquid volume, and it reduces considerably to form the syrup. |
| 03:16.43 | elg | i guess they went overboard or something, because he couldn't even eat the dessert for how cognac it was |
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| 03:17.03 | elg | it was pretty funny |
| 03:17.06 | dilvie | elg: you can't taste any alcohol in my sauce. |
| 03:17.35 | dilvie | I can't, and I have very sensitive tastebuds. =) All I taste is fruity sweetness. |
| 03:17.39 | elg | i'm sure not |
| 03:17.41 | redbeard1 | dilvie: this is true, but the essence of the syrup isn't the wine, it's the honey and preserves. still, there won't be much left. |
| 03:18.34 | redbeard1 | it does look like a tasty recipe |
| 03:18.51 | dilvie | redbeard: you'd be surprised at how much of the volume evaporates when you start with very little liquid and boil it for several minutes. |
| 03:19.22 | dilvie | as you said, the essence of thy syrup is honey and preserves.. the wine just flavors those. |
| 03:19.44 | dilvie | and it is very tasty. =) |
| 03:19.58 | redbeard1 | dilvie: i don't think i'd be that surprised. i've made many a reduction. |
| 03:22.01 | dilvie | I use a very small pot. The resulting syrup is just enough to coat two plates. |
| 03:22.13 | dilvie | I cook for two, here. |
| 03:22.48 | redbeard1 | yeah, same here, for another 7 months. ^_^ |
| 03:22.59 | dilvie | this type of reduction is very sweet, and best in small doses. =) |
| 03:23.05 | dilvie | Oooh, congratulations! |
| 03:23.21 | redbeard1 | thanks |
| 03:24.14 | redbeard1 | i have a few bottles of commercial balsamic in my pantry waiting for me to make a reduction with them. the wife says she's okay with it, but i know as soon as i do it, i'm going to get in trouble for the smell. |
| 03:24.56 | dilvie | bribe her with breakfast in bed the day you do it. |
| 03:25.10 | dilvie | ;) |
| 03:25.10 | redbeard1 | heh. good call. |
| 03:29.13 | dilvie | oh, I should add a note to that recipe.. if you thicken that sauce too much, it will harden and get very sticky like candy. |
| 03:29.30 | dilvie | not what you want! =) |
| 03:29.33 | dilvie | ehehe |
| 03:29.37 | redbeard1 | definitely not |
| 03:36.09 | nick125_lappy | when I cook, I usually just cook for myself |
| 03:36.18 | nick125_lappy | my parents usually go out and get something to eat on their owns |
| 03:36.37 | nick125_lappy | *own |
| 03:36.38 | dilvie | don't they trust your cooking? |
| 03:36.58 | dilvie | Judging by the little practice you're getting, I can't say I blame them. ;) |
| 03:37.01 | dilvie | hehe |
| 03:37.01 | nick125_lappy | nah, my mom and her boyfriend just don't like eating at home |
| 03:37.31 | nick125_lappy | and, they usually go out and get themselves something to eat, but, don't bring me any so I have to cook stuff on my own :P |
| 03:37.45 | dilvie | sounds lovely. |
| 03:38.02 | dilvie | you might as well go shopping and stock up on some good ingredients. |
| 03:38.30 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 03:38.48 | dilvie | we spent $130 on groceries last night, and bought enough yummy ingredients to make lots of great meals. |
| 03:39.10 | nick125_lappy | I mean, just because they like paying $7 for a enchilada plate doesn't mean I want to :P |
| 03:39.28 | dilvie | I'm going to grill some salmon with black pepper and ginger, soon. =) |
| 03:40.01 | dilvie | at home, you can have $18 restaurant meals for $5 |
| 03:40.24 | nick125_lappy | yep |
| 03:40.29 | dilvie | $18/plate thins the wallet fast! |
| 03:40.32 | nick125_lappy | and it will be alot better |
| 03:40.51 | nick125_lappy | least at home, you always get good service, and you don't have to a leave a tip! |
| 03:41.00 | dilvie | haha, exactly. =) |
| 03:41.25 | dilvie | I don't quite have the chops of Bobby Flay's chefs, but I'm not bad. |
| 03:41.50 | dilvie | We ate at Mesa Grill in Vegas, and I was blown away by their food. |
| 03:42.04 | nick125_lappy | there are very few good restraunts here.. |
| 03:42.12 | dilvie | That inspired me to learn how to cook a decent holandaise sauce. |
| 03:42.20 | dilvie | where's here? |
| 03:42.26 | nick125_lappy | albuquerque, nm |
| 03:42.53 | dilvie | I go to nice restaraunts mainly for inspiration. |
| 03:43.22 | nick125_lappy | the good restraunts here are usually ~$20 a plate |
| 03:44.14 | dilvie | I figure the $90 we spent at Nobu is going to pay for itself over time, just because it inspired me to explore sweet wine reductions. =) |
| 03:44.27 | nick125_lappy | hehe |
| 03:44.37 | redbeard1 | dilvie: you went to nobu? |
| 03:45.15 | dilvie | redbeard1: Actually, the dessert was the best part. The kelp salad and sushi wasn't any better than the stuff I eat here at Mikado on a regular basis. |
| 03:45.28 | nick125_lappy | I think the last time I left the state was...I think I was 4 or 5.. |
| 03:46.01 | dilvie | actually, the kelp salad at Mikado is considerably better than the kelp salad at Nobu |
| 03:46.34 | redbeard1 | dilvie: that's kind of too bad |
| 03:46.39 | dilvie | and I'm still waiting to taste better sushi than the stuff at Mikado. |
| 03:46.56 | dilvie | redbeard1: are you familiar with Mikado's food? |
| 03:47.05 | dilvie | It's really excellent. |
| 03:47.21 | redbeard1 | dilvie: fraid not. i've never been a huge fan of asian food in general, though there is some that i like |
| 03:47.27 | dilvie | The first time I tasted it, I was floored. I didn't expect to ever taste sushi that good in a land-locked state. |
| 03:48.03 | dilvie | the dessert at Nobu was really something, though. |
| 03:49.32 | dilvie | I can't really describe it, but it was plated on a red wine and honey reduction. Imagine cheese sticks, only instead of cheese, you get a delicious creamy custard, and instead of bread, it's quick-fried coconut (I have no idea how they pull that off) |
| 03:50.00 | dilvie | it was plated with a seashell-shaped chocolate mouse thing... |
| 03:50.12 | dilvie | just firm enough to hold its shape |
| 03:50.16 | redbeard1 | dilvie: i have heard of a recipe like that in the french laundry cookbook, but i haven't been able to find it in my copy |
| 03:50.29 | dilvie | A+ for imagination, and flavor combinations. |
| 03:51.59 | dilvie | I was really impressed with the red wine honey reduction. It really set the stage for the other flavors. It went splendidly with the chocolate, and provided a great compliment to the custard filling. |
| 03:52.13 | dilvie | haha |
| 03:52.22 | dilvie | Sorry. |
| 03:52.37 | dilvie | I've turned the channel into #food-network. |
| 03:52.38 | redbeard1 | honey + chocolate? |
| 03:52.41 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 03:53.02 | redbeard1 | dilvie: that's okay, i seem to have done that to openclue. i kind of feel bad about it, but nobody else posts. |
| 03:53.16 | dilvie | redbeard1: You don't taste the honey so much as the fruity red wine and a hint of berry. |
| 03:53.48 | elg | redbeard1: hey, we do post |
| 03:53.51 | nick125_lappy | hey..#food is unregistered *changes that* |
| 03:53.55 | elg | some post excessively |
| 03:54.10 | elg | but most aren't as interesting as your food experiments |
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| 03:54.58 | redbeard1 | elg: i was just looking at it today. it feels like i'm flooding it. i know that scott morris and phil windley post a lot too, but it feels like there's a small number of people taking up most of the page sometimes. |
| 03:55.14 | vontrapp | hey, i posted |
| 03:55.15 | dilvie | what's openclue? |
| 03:55.23 | vontrapp | dilvie: where's mikado? |
| 03:55.28 | redbeard1 | elg: speaking of food experiments... i'm going to have to post the results of the mango ice cream. it was an interesting experiment. |
| 03:56.50 | dilvie | there is a location in downtown SLC, one on big cottonwood canyon rd (6572 s), and one on main street in park city |
| 03:56.53 | dilvie | which one do you want? |
| 03:57.24 | elg | dilvie: openclue.org/ut |
| 03:57.32 | vontrapp | probably slc |
| 03:58.04 | dilvie | http://local.google.com/local?f=q&hl=en&q=mikado,+84103&ie=UTF8&om=1 |
| 03:58.06 | vontrapp | nick125_lappy: i didn't know you were in nuevo mexico |
| 03:58.52 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 03:59.06 | dilvie | vontrapp: if you're worried about your budget, go there for lunch, and all the rolls are half off. |
| 03:59.53 | vontrapp | dilvie: ooooh, nice |
| 04:01.29 | dilvie | You can also enjoy Mikado sushi (all you can eat) at the Grand American Hotel in downtown SLC during the sunday brunch buffet |
| 04:02.01 | vontrapp | you just pretend you're staying there? |
| 04:02.16 | dilvie | it's $30 or $35 / person, but there's a huge variety of the best food money can buy, from sushi to cornish hen, and everything in between. |
| 04:02.28 | dilvie | you don't have to pretend you're staying there. |
| 04:02.42 | vontrapp | oh, that's a little out of my budget though :( |
| 04:03.21 | dilvie | It's generally out of my budget, as well, but I figure I can splurge annually. =) |
| 04:03.41 | vontrapp | good plan |
| 04:04.01 | vontrapp | it's something i'd like to try eventually |
| 04:04.17 | vontrapp | not anytime soon what with getting married and then school starting |
| 04:04.17 | dilvie | where else can you be bombarded by such a wide array of cullinary inspiration in one day? |
| 04:04.57 | dilvie | they have a large room full of really terrific foods, and a bbq station out on a patio |
| 04:05.58 | dilvie | it's literally overwhelming. I've yet to try even a fraction of the many yummy foods they offer, but I'm looking forward to my next visit. =) |
| 04:06.04 | dilvie | coming soon, I hope. =) |
| 04:06.07 | vontrapp | i would probably go in and fill up too quickly on just a few things, then look at all the rest with longing/disgust, depending on how full i got :) |
| 04:06.21 | dilvie | haha |
| 04:06.23 | levi_ | I would like to get some wine to cook with at some point. I wonder how much different alcohol-removed wine would be for making reduction sauces. |
| 04:06.30 | dilvie | take small portions of everything. =) |
| 04:06.59 | vontrapp | i try to do that, like at appetizer bars |
| 04:07.06 | vontrapp | doesn't always work |
| 04:07.12 | dilvie | levi_: I wouldn't bother for making reductions. There won't be enough alcohol left to worry about it. |
| 04:08.14 | dilvie | levi_: if you're really worried, the cooking wine that is legally sold in utah grocery stores is far from the best quality, but it has very little alcohol to begin with (less than 3%, I think) |
| 04:08.23 | levi_ | I'm not particularly worried about buying wine, but I don't know if my wife would approve. And alcohol-removed wine is much easier to find. |
| 04:10.17 | levi_ | I've heard cooking wine is loaded with salt and stuff to discourage people from drinking it. |
| 04:10.36 | vontrapp | ewww |
| 04:10.56 | levi_ | I had Bananas Foster on a cruise ship with a Grand Marnier reduction sauce. It was yummy. |
| 04:11.03 | redbeard1 | levi_: it's true. legend has it they started salting it because chefs are notoriously alcoholic. |
| 04:11.22 | vontrapp | ~lart chefs |
| 04:11.34 | vontrapp | wine-bibbing troll! |
| 04:11.52 | dilvie | ingredients: Red Cooking Wine, Salt, potassium sorbate and potassium sulfite (preservatives) |
| 04:11.58 | levi_ | So, I think alcohol-removed wine might taste better in a dessert, if that's the case. |
| 04:12.03 | dilvie | I would never drink this stuff. |
| 04:12.14 | redbeard1 | we had a chef at school that would sneak shots of the boxed white wine in the walk-in. one of the students caught him. |
| 04:12.24 | dilvie | but it's fine to flavor a sweet wine reduction |
| 04:12.28 | dilvie | lots of candy contains salt |
| 04:12.54 | levi_ | It would be interesting to try both and see which tasted better. |
| 04:13.40 | dilvie | levi_: It would. I'm more inclined to step up to a higher-grade alcoholic wine, myself. =) |
| 04:13.44 | levi_ | I was most tempted to get some wine to help making fondue, since most all recipes call for some sort of alcohol to help it stay smooth or something like that. |
| 04:14.03 | levi_ | dilvie: Sure, but they don't sell those at the grocery stores in Utah, do they? |
| 04:14.20 | dilvie | I don't worry about a bit of alcohol. Cough syrup is far worse. |
| 04:14.30 | nick125_lappy | yeah :P |
| 04:14.36 | dilvie | Levi_: no, but there's a great wine store downtown. |
| 04:15.05 | nick125_lappy | I remember working on a server when I was dosed up on nyquil...yeah.. |
| 04:15.05 | dilvie | they also carry cognac, which I like to cook with once in a while. |
| 04:15.12 | levi_ | I'm not worried about the alcohol, I just don't really want to have to go out of my way to get a cooking ingredient if a substitute at a grocery store is sufficient. |
| 04:17.00 | dilvie | I used the grocery store cooking wine today, and the sauce was excellent. |
| 04:17.34 | dilvie | next time I make it, I'm going to try better wine and see if I notice a big difference, but I suspect I'll notice a bigger difference trying a different type of preserve. |
| 04:18.08 | dilvie | the wine flavor is subservient to the fruit preserves in my red wine blackberry reduction |
| 04:19.03 | levi_ | Sounds tasty. |
| 04:19.03 | mheath | 59 days..... |
| 04:19.13 | levi_ | I just made a strawberry/raspberry smoothie. |
| 04:19.13 | vontrapp | mheath: no, 41 |
| 04:19.23 | levi_ | 42! |
| 04:19.55 | mheath | then you all won't have to put up with me =P |
| 04:20.16 | vontrapp | oh, you still have to put up with me after 41 days |
| 04:20.54 | mheath | can anyone recomend a hotel I can afford for three nights on $300 in Las Vegas? |
| 04:20.57 | mheath | Something nice |
| 04:21.19 | mheath | I decided I'm going to take a vacation during my last week here |
| 04:21.37 | vontrapp | i stayed at one that was $50/night (i think) |
| 04:21.43 | vontrapp | it wasn't nice, but it wasn't gross |
| 04:22.02 | mheath | I'm looking for something that tops my limit. I really haven't ever stayed in a particularly nice hotel. |
| 04:23.15 | mheath | nevermind, I'll bug you all about this later. I really have to get to sleep. |
| 04:23.17 | mheath | Goodnight. |
| 04:24.32 | dilvie | I stayed at the Hard Rock |
| 04:24.35 | dilvie | $100/night |
| 04:26.12 | dilvie | a bit excessive for my taste, but the beds were so cozy, and it put us in the same building with Nobu and Mr. Lucky's -- both restaraunts I wanted to try. |
| 04:26.22 | dilvie | Mr. Lucky's is great for budget dining. |
| 04:26.49 | dilvie | Awesome peach cobbler for less than $4, topped with high-quality vanilla bean ice-cream. |
| 04:27.33 | neybar | I've stayed at both the luxor and the paris and though both were pretty nice |
| 04:27.45 | neybar | I really like the paris' buffet |
| 04:27.51 | mheath | Is the luxor <= $100 night? |
| 04:28.00 | neybar | I don't recall it was 5 years ago |
| 04:28.21 | mheath | heh, the computers at work remind me of jurassic park |
| 04:28.33 | mheath | the GUI looks similar to the one portrayed in the books graphics |
| 04:28.36 | dilvie | I tried their eggs benedict, too.. that wasn't as good. The english muffins and egg yolks were both slightly over-cooked, and the hollandaise sauce, while not bade, paled in comparison to the hollandaise sauce I had at Mesa Grill. |
| 04:29.15 | dilvie | neybar: in the last five years, almost all the hotel prices on the strip have gone up considerably. |
| 04:29.28 | dilvie | the new hotels are charging $300 and $450+ per night. |
| 04:29.38 | neybar | yeah I believe it |
| 04:30.18 | dilvie | I was in Vegas a week or so ago. |
| 04:30.24 | dilvie | Had a blast. |
| 04:30.27 | neybar | I was driving through vegas about a month ago and I thought I would try to get a cheap room. I spent over an hour driving from one end of town to the other and couldn't find a single thing (cheap and willing to put the family in) |
| 04:30.51 | dilvie | I don't gamble. |
| 04:30.55 | neybar | I did run into a hotel, I think it was called sam's town, that looked awesome. It wasn't anywhere near the strip though. |
| 04:30.58 | dilvie | I go to Vegas for the food. |
| 04:31.01 | dilvie | ehehe |
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| 04:31.53 | neybar | I ended up driving through to st. george just to get a hotel room. |
| 04:32.20 | dilvie | neybar: really? Did you try stopping at Mesquite? |
| 04:32.28 | neybar | yup, tried that too |
| 04:32.34 | dilvie | oi. |
| 04:32.47 | neybar | I'm not sure what was going on, it was a sunday night, which I'm sure didn't help. |
| 04:33.30 | dilvie | well, I need to get some chores done. |
| 04:33.44 | neybar | I tried 5 places in mesquite and there was only one smoking room. I was really tired and ticked off by the time I got to St. george. |
| 04:33.54 | neybar | lol |
| 04:37.26 | vontrapp | ~convert 1 GBP usd |
| 04:37.39 | vontrapp | ~convert 1 GBP to usd |
| 04:38.20 | vontrapp | hmm, who _does_ know what a gbp is |
| 04:38.31 | levi_ | 1.834 |
| 04:38.54 | vontrapp | dang, i was hoping it was less than a dollar |
| 04:38.59 | levi_ | Hah. |
| 04:39.07 | levi_ | You're thinking of Canada. |
| 04:39.35 | levi_ | But their dollar is 0.9 US dollars. |
| 04:39.43 | levi_ | Not a huge difference anymore. |
| 04:39.49 | levi_ | The dollar is currently rather weak. |
| 04:40.24 | levi_ | A euro is only 1.273 dollars. |
| 04:42.15 | levi_ | If you want a favorable exchange rate, try New Zealand. One of their dollars is only about 60 cents. |
| 04:42.59 | levi_ | An Australian dollar is 74 cents. |
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| 07:45.32 | xbmodder_newlapp | hey |
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| 07:52.22 | tene | xbm: hi |
| 07:58.21 | xbmodder_newlapp | tene, whats up? |
| 08:01.13 | tene | Not too much. Just playing with activecollab. |
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| 08:08.48 | xbmodder_newlapp | fun fun |
| 08:12.08 | tene | You? |
| 08:13.35 | xbmodder_newlapp | messing with DNS servers |
| 08:13.57 | xbmodder_newlapp | I have realized that internet hotspots cost way to much |
| 08:14.03 | xbmodder_newlapp | 1 dollar every minute... |
| 08:14.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | so instead of being evil and totally ripping off the hotspots |
| 08:14.37 | xbmodder_newlapp | just make a news ticker over DNS service, etc... |
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| 08:15.28 | tene | I don't understand. |
| 08:23.02 | xbmodder_newlapp | tene, sorry I was away for a minute |
| 08:23.29 | xbmodder_newlapp | tene, hotspots usually don't block DNS lookups |
| 08:23.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | you can send very small amounts of info via DNS text records... |
| 08:23.51 | xbmodder_newlapp | such as stock quotes |
| 08:23.53 | xbmodder_newlapp | weather |
| 08:23.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | etc |
| 08:24.18 | xbmodder_newlapp | and I am thinking of making this app cross-platform |
| 08:25.14 | xbmodder_newlapp | eh? |
| 08:25.47 | xbmodder_newlapp | so not abusing DNS |
| 08:26.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | just about ~18k of DNS transactions |
| 08:26.18 | xbmodder_newlapp | which would really be worth about 4k of data |
| 08:26.19 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 08:28.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | and writing a library for this |
| 08:35.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~ping |
| 08:35.42 | ibot | pong |
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| 09:16.28 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~google therapy products |
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| 14:04.42 | Uncle_Je1se | good morning |
| 14:04.47 | ^Migs^ | GREETINGS |
| 14:05.46 | Uncle_Je1se | good morning |
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| 14:33.18 | redbeard1 | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 14:51.10 | emcnabb | good morning mheath |
| 14:51.22 | mheath | good morning. |
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| 15:11.08 | ^Migs^ | <Biff> YAOUNDE, Cameroon (Reuters) -- Worried that her daughters' budding breasts would expose them to the risk of sexual harassment and even rape, their mother Philomene Moungang started 'ironing' the girls' bosoms with a heated stone. |
| 15:11.12 | ^Migs^ | <Biff> "Breast ironing" -- the use of hard or heated objects or other substances to try to stunt breast growth in girls -- is a traditional practice in West Africa, experts say. |
| 15:11.16 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 15:25.11 | nick125_lappy | o.0\ |
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| 15:36.36 | tristanbob_ | I am trying to get a new HP printer working on Ubuntu, connected via USB cable |
| 15:37.03 | tristanbob_ | I added the printer in "system>administration>printing" |
| 15:37.13 | tristanbob_ | it even auto-detected the right model |
| 15:37.26 | tristanbob_ | but when I send print jobs to it, they don't print |
| 15:37.37 | tristanbob_ | how can I troubleshoot this? |
| 15:38.43 | sjansen | tristanbob_: The first thing I would check is always /var/log/messages. |
| 15:38.52 | levi | I think a shotgun would be most satisfying. |
| 15:39.03 | sjansen | Next I'd see if the job was submitted, but is for some reason stuck. Run lpq as root. |
| 15:39.48 | findlay | tristanbob_: are you using the hplip driver? |
| 15:39.56 | sjansen | Shooting from the hip, my first idea (assuming the printer is turned on) is that the printer has been automatically deactived by cups and needs to be reactivated. |
| 15:40.07 | findlay | ~hug strace |
| 15:40.11 | ibot | ACTION hugs strace |
| 15:41.03 | mheath | I can't unerstand why my dad is so protective over his Volkswagen Passat. |
| 15:41.03 | tristanbob_ | sjansen: is dmesg the same as "tail /var/log/messages"? |
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| 15:41.21 | mheath | He has a vintage Porsche sitting right next to it, yet he's just as protective of the Passat. |
| 15:41.38 | tristanbob_ | sjansen: how to re-activate the printer? |
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| 15:41.48 | nick125_lappy | tristanbob_: no, not exactly...first, tail will make it so you can scroll though the messages, and, two, the messages are different |
| 15:41.56 | sjansen | tristanbob_: no it is not |
| 15:44.32 | sjansen | tristanbob_: cupsenable |
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| 15:45.14 | sjansen | Alternatively, accept is the non-cups specific command. But it sometimes conflicts with another program by the same name. |
| 15:46.11 | levi | mheath: How new is the Passat? |
| 15:46.20 | mheath | Just a 2000. |
| 15:46.50 | mheath | whereas his Porsche is a 1970 914/6 that he's put thousands of dollars and years of work into maintenance and upgrades for. |
| 15:47.05 | mheath | he's more protective of the passat, it seems |
| 15:47.08 | mheath | I don't understand it =P |
| 15:47.09 | levi | If you treat cars very nicely, they last longer. |
| 15:48.13 | flyboy^ | mheath: Your dad probably realizes you don't have a *chance* getting behind the Porsche, but you might think you have one with the Passat. Sounds like a smart guy, your dad. ;) |
| 15:48.49 | mheath | I am driving the Passat today (very reluctantly, and with him lecturing me for a long time over the phone) |
| 15:48.56 | mheath | My car broke down |
| 15:49.02 | mheath | And he's out of down |
| 15:49.16 | mheath | Its the only car (other than the Porsche) that we have here that's working |
| 15:49.17 | flyboy^ | Ahh. A clearer picture emerges. |
| 15:49.27 | sjansen | levi: That's one theory. The other theory is that you need to put them in their place. Is your A/C taking too long to come on? Punish the car by not changing its oil on schedule. |
| 15:50.24 | nick125_lappy | sjansen: sadly, things don't work like that.. |
| 15:50.39 | mheath | The passat is a comfy car, but its a beat |
| 15:50.51 | mheath | I'm used to my little speedy Mistubishi Gallant |
| 15:50.57 | mheath | *beast |
| 15:51.07 | mheath | The passat is huge and slow in comparison |
| 15:52.06 | mheath | last time I drove it, I managed to hit one of the wheels into the curb, unused to how wide the thing is |
| 15:52.23 | maquis | mheath: and you wonder why your dad's protective of it? |
| 15:52.57 | flyboy^ | maquis: Yeah, it gets more obvious with every line doesn't it? :) |
| 15:53.04 | mheath | maquis, he was with me! I was driving very slow and very carefully in the thing, I just managed to tap the tire against the curb once. |
| 15:53.22 | mheath | I'm a very careful driver compared to most people my age. |
| 15:53.53 | mheath | I leave for Washington a week from today! |
| 15:53.55 | nick125_lappy | maquis: lol |
| 15:54.04 | maquis | mheath: state? |
| 15:54.05 | maquis | what for? |
| 15:54.21 | mheath | A training (my last with the USNSCC) at NB Kitsap/Bangor |
| 15:54.24 | mheath | Yes, state |
| 15:54.32 | maquis | interesting |
| 15:54.41 | flyboy^ | I'm like mheath, cars are disposable to me. I don't care about them. Never had the urge to drive a nice/fancy car. Now. My computer? Touch it and DIE! |
| 15:54.42 | mheath | NCO training academy |
| 15:54.48 | maquis | my bf heads out to fort lewis (in washington) on monday for training |
| 15:55.20 | mheath | BTW, I decided to stay enlisted... |
| 15:55.27 | mheath | I was kinda confused about what was being offered to me, anyway |
| 15:55.30 | sjansen | ~steal flyboy^'s computer |
| 15:55.32 | ibot | ACTION grabs flyboy^'s computer and gives it to sjansen |
| 15:55.42 | maquis | flyboy^: i don't have the urge to drive nice/fancy cars, but i am protective of my little car because it plays nicely and works generally |
| 15:55.49 | mheath | MY recruiter portrayed it as kind of a serious offer..."Would you like to do ROTC?" |
| 15:56.08 | mheath | whereas another recruiter portrayed it as "Hey, you scored high on the ASVAB, we invite you to apply for ROTC" |
| 15:56.40 | mheath | I want to stay enlisted, anyway. |
| 15:56.54 | mheath | If I ever go officer, I want some enlisted experience under my belt. |
| 15:57.00 | flyboy^ | Yeah, officers suck. |
| 15:57.11 | flyboy^ | They are always yelling at you and stuff. |
| 15:57.19 | mheath | No. |
| 15:57.36 | mheath | They're the ones that sit behind desks talking nicely with the politicians =P |
| 15:57.41 | mheath | The NCOs are the ones yelling at you. |
| 15:58.06 | mheath | Officers will very, very, VERY rarely be mad at you. |
| 15:58.20 | mheath | If a normal officer is yelling at you, you've messed up very very badly. |
| 15:58.57 | findlay | OK, that was weird |
| 15:59.18 | mheath | Hmmm, I'm going paintballing tomorrow |
| 15:59.21 | mheath | not sure I want to take my new gun |
| 15:59.27 | mheath | I've never even really fired it |
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| 16:02.00 | elg | mheath: hope you don't regret the whole officer thing |
| 16:02.13 | levi | I like to drive nice cars, but not necessarily expensive ones. |
| 16:02.21 | levi | At least not currently expensive ones. |
| 16:02.23 | mheath | elg, theres other opportunities to go officer eventually. |
| 16:03.14 | levi | mheath: Did you determine what was wrong with your car? |
| 16:03.40 | mheath | levi: probably a stuck break master cylinder. |
| 16:03.43 | mheath | It was sticking really bad |
| 16:03.53 | mheath | up at 65 MPH on level ground, I couldn't even maintain that speed in 5th gear |
| 16:03.59 | mheath | I had to go down to 4th gear |
| 16:04.23 | levi | So you haven't determined anything further than when you explained this before? |
| 16:04.24 | mheath | with the gas floored in 5th gear, I was loosing speed. |
| 16:04.28 | elg | hah. ABC is looking to develop technology that would disable the fast-forward button on DVRs |
| 16:04.51 | elg | it's amazing what people think they can do with technology |
| 16:04.58 | levi | elg: They just don't get it. |
| 16:05.16 | mheath | levi: I looked at some stuff. |
| 16:05.20 | elg | if they did manage to wing that (a political feat, not a technical one) then people will just not watch abc |
| 16:05.26 | elg | who wants to watch commercials? |
| 16:05.38 | mheath | elg, nobody watches abc anyway =P |
| 16:05.48 | elg | pandora's box is open. people will just download the shows if they would otherwise have to download |
| 16:06.27 | mheath | not sure I want to take my new paintball gun with me tomorrow |
| 16:06.36 | elg | why not? what else is it for? |
| 16:06.37 | mheath | not sure I trust having a gun for 8+ hours that I've never even fired before |
| 16:06.51 | elg | so you'll go with a rental gun that you've never fired? |
| 16:07.27 | mheath | elg, I need to lubricate the gun and do some preventative maintenance first anywy. |
| 16:07.55 | elg | so you won't take it because it's not ready. that's cool |
| 16:08.18 | elg | or at least it's a face-saving excuse |
| 16:08.32 | mheath | rental guns are tested, and, if it breaks, they'll give me another one...... |
| 16:08.53 | mheath | I've never fired this gun, never done a velocity test (paintball guns have to fire within a certain velocity range to be safe) |
| 16:09.24 | mheath | be back in...oh....10 hours. |
| 16:10.51 | harleypig | elg: I like watching *good* commercials |
| 16:11.17 | harleypig | And I don't mind product placement. |
| 16:11.41 | mheath | I feel intimidated driving a car with a key that costs $150 to replace. |
| 16:11.47 | elg | i dn't mind product placement that doesn't take away from the story, and I like good commercials too, but that doesn't mean I want ABC telling me I can't fast forward |
| 16:11.50 | harleypig | Studio execs have repeatedly displayed their stupidity in regards to what the "average" person wants to watch. |
| 16:12.05 | findlay | ha |
| 16:12.22 | sjansen | Best. Song. Ever. http://www.knobtweakers.net/2006/07/polish-ambassador.html |
| 16:12.48 | sjansen | (Except for maybe Strongbad Techno which is arguably even better.) |
| 16:13.30 | sjansen | harleypig: I don't know about that. They seem to have pretty much nailed the "our largest market has no taste" realization. |
| 16:14.43 | emcnabb | well, I just helped get someone fired - I have to admit though the feelings of joy outweigh sorrow |
| 16:14.54 | amcnabb | They must have been pretty bad. |
| 16:15.32 | emcnabb | it was the supervisor for the house builder (repairs) in our neighborhood |
| 16:16.40 | emcnabb | he repeatedly lied to me and was incredibly irresponsible |
| 16:17.13 | emcnabb | so I let many people know, including the corporate offices |
| 16:17.36 | emcnabb | I guess there were a lot of other complaints besides mine though |
| 16:17.59 | ^Migs^ | maybe he was having problems in his personal life |
| 16:18.05 | amcnabb | Wow. |
| 16:18.09 | sjansen | If there's one thing I've learned it's that firing someone is incredibly difficult most of the time. |
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| 16:18.18 | ^Migs^ | no it's not |
| 16:18.25 | emcnabb | I don't care if he was; I just want my house fixed |
| 16:18.28 | sjansen | At least we don't life in Europe, you basically need to be a convicted mass murder to be fired their. |
| 16:18.35 | emcnabb | they should have hired someone else if he couldn't handle it |
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| 16:21.55 | sjansen | "Personal problems" isn't an excuse for lying. Maybe for showing up late, or ducking out for a couple hours during the day, but not for incompetence. |
| 16:23.16 | emcnabb | he told me exactly what I wanted to hear (e.g. "The XXXXX person is in the neighborhood, he'll be there in 30 minutes" x every day for literally 3 weeks) |
| 16:24.37 | amcnabb | You mean, like that Seinfeld where Elaine kept promoting the creepy mailroom guy? |
| 16:24.38 | emcnabb | ~lame m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 16:24.48 | ibot | m{\w{5}_Jesse} is completely not lame. |
| 16:24.48 | emcnabb | ~nick m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 16:24.51 | amcnabb | I think that's a pretty bad idea. |
| 16:25.06 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | amcnabb: heh - maybe not to that extent |
| 16:25.24 | nick125_lappy | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: repositioning people...where would you reposition this person if you had to? |
| 16:25.27 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | most cases where a person needs to be fired just are cases where the person is tired of being where they are |
| 16:26.09 | emcnabb | or where they're making your company look horrible because of their lies and irresponsibilities |
| 16:26.20 | emcnabb | to me, my builder is a horrible company |
| 16:26.29 | emcnabb | why, because of Al |
| 16:26.37 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | nick125_lappy: well, if they are actually lying and hurting the business then some times firing is necessary, especially if you've already tried to reposition them and warned them |
| 16:26.52 | emcnabb | I'm sure they're not, but that's my opinion of them now |
| 16:26.56 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | firing is usually pretty expensive and sometimes can be more detrimental to the business though, so you have to be careful |
| 16:27.00 | harleypig | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060705/ap_on_fe_st/norway_whaling_shock;_ylt=AppQEzS4XgNxaBXpDNhUVZrtiBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM- |
| 16:27.01 | emcnabb | that's what I will tell my friends, etc |
| 16:27.04 | harleypig | :D :D :D |
| 16:27.13 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I've never understood businesses that are trigger-happy with firing though |
| 16:27.21 | RyanE | I think it's a healthy sign that a company will fire someone. |
| 16:27.43 | RyanE | I've worked at places where no one could get fired. No responsibility, no accountability, no motivation in some people. |
| 16:27.55 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I think a company shouldn't be afraid to do so, but they also shouldn't jump to conclusions at the same time |
| 16:28.17 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: sounds like the management needs to be fired in those cases, or demoted |
| 16:28.19 | RyanE | good people are self-motivated, but some need to know that the possibility of firing exists. |
| 16:28.32 | RyanE | nope. good choices, mostly. |
| 16:28.34 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | with good management that environment shouldn't exist |
| 16:28.40 | emcnabb | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: where would you be repositioned to in your company? |
| 16:28.48 | emcnabb | secretary? |
| 16:28.51 | emcnabb | box packer? |
| 16:28.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | emcnabb: lol - I like being just where I am :-) |
| 16:28.56 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:29.07 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | In fact, I just switched teams ;-) |
| 16:29.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | better position though in this case |
| 16:29.19 | emcnabb | well, I don't think repositioning works in most cases because you are hired for a certain task |
| 16:29.24 | sjansen | ~lart flash |
| 16:29.33 | RyanE | I think a company having the balls to fire someone says that they're willing to fix 'broken windows' (employees that aren't working out). |
| 16:29.49 | emcnabb | that's what you want to do (you're a coder, not a mail room clerk) |
| 16:29.55 | RyanE | I'm not talking a hostile environment, or random firing, or firing for no cause. |
| 16:30.06 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | emcnabb: if they'll still be good in another task, why not try them in that task? If they don't like it, then they can quit and you don't get blamed for firing them, nor do you have to pay unemployment, etc. |
| 16:30.08 | harleypig | Tourists go to an area known to be whale-hunting areas and then are shocked (SHOCKED!) when they see a whale kilt. |
| 16:30.45 | emcnabb | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: or you can stop wasting the companies time and money and just fire them |
| 16:30.56 | RyanE | I think companies that 'redeploy' only to try and get people to quit are unethical. |
| 16:31.03 | amcnabb | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: When people are _lying_, you don't want them anywhere. |
| 16:31.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: I think most cases where a person is fired are just a case of that person didn't fit the position. Most times they will do very well in other areas of the company. |
| 16:31.07 | emcnabb | if they're dishonest and irresponsible at one job, they most likely will be at another |
| 16:31.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | emcnabb: it's usually *more* expensive to fire someone |
| 16:31.13 | emcnabb | amcnabb: exactly |
| 16:31.16 | harleypig | Oh, even better, on the way back in they saw another ship hauling in a dead whale. |
| 16:31.16 | amcnabb | Dishonesty is a terrible trait. |
| 16:31.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | unless they are truly wasting the company's money in everything they do |
| 16:31.32 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | amcnabb: agreed |
| 16:31.53 | emcnabb | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I'd rather have them out of my company and pay more money up front, than have them suck money out of the company over time |
| 16:31.58 | RyanE | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I agree that there are definitely times when a redeployment is warranted, but many times, a firing is appropriate and should happen. |
| 16:32.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I'm talking about cases where people are still trying to do their job, but aren't cutting it, or are unmotivated in their job |
| 16:32.11 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: I'm saying the same thing |
| 16:32.15 | RyanE | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I think we're in violent disagreement |
| 16:32.16 | emcnabb | well, this was not the case |
| 16:32.32 | sjansen | One reason I've seen that people don't "fit" is because they managed to con the people doing hiring. I wouldn't reposition in that case, I'd get rid of the person for lying. |
| 16:32.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | emcnabb: sounds like that guy needed to be fired |
| 16:32.47 | RyanE | nor were recent firings at companies I've worked at. They were appropriate. |
| 16:33.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: I wouldn't assume that in every case, but in some ways it's also management's fault for not investigating more |
| 16:33.23 | sjansen | Now, on the other hand, another reason I've seen that people don't "fit" is that management was stupid and moved them into a position they weren't qualified for. |
| 16:33.33 | RyanE | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: some people are really good at interviews, but idiots otherwise. It's a fact. |
| 16:33.50 | emcnabb | like RyanE! |
| 16:33.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: you won't like the book "Practices of an Agile Developer" |
| 16:33.52 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 16:34.00 | RyanE | I do really bad at interviews, but there've been no complaints after I was hired. |
| 16:34.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: hence the need for better investigation in their skills |
| 16:34.02 | emcnabb | fight fight fight! |
| 16:34.11 | emcnabb | ~lart RyanE |
| 16:34.17 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | we require code samples in all our interviews, and often require them to code in their interviews |
| 16:34.18 | RyanE | lame lart. |
| 16:34.29 | emcnabb | ~lart RyanE |
| 16:34.33 | RyanE | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I don't mind that at all. demonstrating skills is valuable |
| 16:34.33 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | references are always a must |
| 16:34.58 | sjansen | I've only participated in the full hiring process once. I was amazed to see how many people could make themselves look good on paper but during the interview (by experienced employees instead of just HR) it became obvious they didn't have any of the skills claimed. |
| 16:35.10 | RyanE | references are dubious sources at best. People are afraid to give honest assessments, for fear of being suid |
| 16:35.19 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: agreed |
| 16:35.27 | RyanE | s/suid/sued/ |
| 16:35.41 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: agreed, hence the need for more investigation |
| 16:35.46 | sjansen | chmod u+s RyanE |
| 16:35.59 | RyanE | sjansen: thanks for the suid. |
| 16:36.06 | redbeard1 | http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-07-03-hot-ice-cream_x.htm |
| 16:36.08 | brac | [USATODAY.com - Spicy ice cream hits a hot spot] |
| 16:36.23 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | that's as bad as lobster ice cream |
| 16:36.40 | emcnabb | RyanE: but there's a difference between "He was a pretty good employee" and "He was a wonderful, sharp guy. A good team player. He did project X in less time than expected. Etc" |
| 16:36.51 | emcnabb | you wouldn't get sued for the first one |
| 16:38.36 | RyanE | My argument about references is that you won't hear anything *bad* about a prospective employee. |
| 16:38.52 | RyanE | "oh, he was horrible, and ended up stalking the secretary" won't come up. |
| 16:39.02 | levi | sjansen: So, what did you talk about at the uug last night? |
| 16:39.03 | RyanE | they'll say 'our policy is to not comment on past employees' |
| 16:39.04 | emcnabb | And my argument is you need to see how glowing of a report they give |
| 16:39.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: agreed, hence the need for more investigation |
| 16:39.17 | emcnabb | RyanE: it depends on the company |
| 16:40.10 | sjansen | Or "she embezzled from the company but we decided not to press charges". Not something you're likely to hear while checking references. |
| 16:40.48 | sjansen | I also wouldn't place too much weight on "He was an okay employee" being code for "he almost destroyed the company". Some people just don't know how to give a recommendation. |
| 16:40.52 | RyanE | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I'm just saying that no matter how much investigation, you'll hire people who either 1) misrepresented themselves, 2) have personal issues, etc. When you happen to hire one (and it hasn't happened often with companies I worked for), you should fire them. Again, I'm sure we're in agreement. Interview as well as you can, find a good spot for those that can do better, fire the *really* bad ones. |
| 16:40.54 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I've got an employer trying to call me for a reference right now and he left a message but never called back |
| 16:40.59 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | kind of ticks me off |
| 16:41.27 | amcnabb | levi, it's too bad you missed it. |
| 16:41.36 | amcnabb | I had never seen a yak before. |
| 16:41.58 | sjansen | levi: A little of this, a little of that. |
| 16:42.00 | levi | I should have gone. I ended up getting stuck going to the craft store with my wife. |
| 16:42.02 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: I still think there are usually other places for those people in the company - fact of the matter is, they interviewed because they wanted to work for your company |
| 16:42.34 | sjansen | They interviewed because they wanted to get payed. |
| 16:42.40 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | It's hard to believe anyone would *want* to do something they aren't capable of - most of those people find out after they are in the job they can't handle it |
| 16:42.45 | levi | I can't believe how expensive the paper there is. |
| 16:43.05 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: in that case they can quit if they can't handle their new pay |
| 16:43.08 | RyanE | companies I've worked for have been generally pretty small, and people working there had pretty specific skillsets. If they don't work out doing what they were hired for, there's nowhere else to put them. |
| 16:43.16 | sjansen | They interviewed for a high paying position because they didn't want to admit they cheated all through high school and don't have the skill for a decent salary. |
| 16:43.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | win win for them and the company in that case |
| 16:43.34 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: in that case firing is your only option then |
| 16:44.39 | sjansen | I can see the value of "repositioning" but you have to be careful. "Oh, shipping, yeah that's the dumping ground for everybody that couldn't hack a real job." |
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| 16:45.52 | levi | redbeard1: When you come up with a good mango ice cream recipe, I want to know it. We've got a bunch of mangos. |
| 16:45.53 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: heh - yeah - there's obviously a balance |
| 16:46.12 | sjansen | ~steal levi's mangos |
| 16:46.14 | ibot | ACTION grabs levi's mangos and gives it to sjansen |
| 16:46.14 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ooh - that does sound good |
| 16:46.21 | redbeard1 | levi: the one i just posted is okay, i just happen to be a perfectionist |
| 16:46.38 | redbeard1 | mango trees are all over florida |
| 16:46.45 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Thailand had some good mango ice cream |
| 16:46.55 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: but then you have to brave the hurricanes |
| 16:47.00 | RyanE | as did Brasil. |
| 16:47.03 | levi | redbeard1: On the other hand, maybe I should just make some mango lassis. |
| 16:47.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I want mango trees to grow in Utah |
| 16:47.32 | RyanE | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: start working on your Mango-Dome (tm). |
| 16:47.49 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | RyanE: that would be cool |
| 16:47.56 | emcnabb | I love mango lassis |
| 16:48.09 | redbeard1 | mango lassis? |
| 16:48.24 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | tae puud passaa thai |
| 16:48.28 | emcnabb | I've had them many times in Indian restaurants |
| 16:48.28 | sjansen | You haven't had mango until you've had ripe mango picked straight from the tree. |
| 16:48.37 | emcnabb | they're mango / yogurt drinks |
| 16:48.42 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: definitely |
| 16:48.50 | emcnabb | that's what they taste like at least :-) |
| 16:49.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: you need to try a thai mangos and sticky rice recipe |
| 16:49.29 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it's heaven |
| 16:49.31 | elg | ~fire emcnabb |
| 16:49.32 | ibot | I'm sorry, emcnabb, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 16:49.34 | emcnabb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lassi |
| 16:49.38 | RyanE | sjansen: gostaria um caldo de cana bem gelada. agora. |
| 16:49.47 | sjansen | opa |
| 16:49.53 | sjansen | com limao |
| 16:49.58 | emcnabb | ~slice_the_neck_of elg |
| 16:50.00 | RyanE | Mmmmm |
| 16:50.00 | levi | redbeard1: Go to an Indian restaurant and order a mango lassi. It's a yogurt drink. |
| 16:50.17 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~reposition emcnabb |
| 16:50.20 | sjansen | Man, suddenly it feels like lunch time'll never arrive. |
| 16:50.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ibot doesn't believe in repositioning |
| 16:50.30 | emcnabb | sjansen: lunch time is over |
| 16:50.31 | redbeard1 | levi: you know of any indian restaurants in happy valleyville? |
| 16:50.46 | emcnabb | get back to work sjansen! |
| 16:50.54 | levi | redbeard1: Yeah, there's Bombay House. |
| 16:51.08 | sjansen | On University near center in Provo. |
| 16:51.31 | redbeard1 | ooh. i don't know if i can go there. provo doesn't like me much. |
| 16:51.44 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: I like you |
| 16:51.50 | RyanE | redbeard1: only the idiots. |
| 16:52.00 | levi | There are a ton of Indian restaurants up in Salt Lake Valley. |
| 16:52.06 | emcnabb | m{\w{5}_Jesse} and redbeard1 4ever |
| 16:52.18 | redbeard1 | ~dog emcnabb |
| 16:52.25 | ibot | ACTION stares at emcnabb until emcnabb whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 16:52.25 | redbeard1 | ~lart emcnabb |
| 16:52.38 | redbeard1 | ah, there we go. there was a delay. |
| 16:52.38 | levi | Why do people live down in Utah Valley again? |
| 16:52.57 | redbeard1 | levi: because i got tired of the commute. |
| 16:53.00 | macnewbold | India house (80somthing south State St in SL) and Bombay House (top of foothill Dr/parley's way, by the I-80/I-215 merge) are both very good |
| 16:53.01 | emcnabb | ~lart redbeard1 |
| 16:53.29 | redbeard1 | i love indian food, but i've always had trouble finding it in utah |
| 16:53.52 | sjansen | Because Utah valley is prettier than SL valley. |
| 16:53.53 | levi | macnewbold: There's a new one near India House called Taste of Punjab that's pretty good. |
| 16:53.57 | levi | macnewbold: Also, Royal India. |
| 16:54.23 | emcnabb | Royal India is good |
| 16:54.27 | levi | redbeard1: Had trouble finding it? There are Indian restaurants everywhere! |
| 16:54.28 | RyanE | and Utah Lake doesn't stink quite as bad as the Great. |
| 16:54.30 | redbeard1 | actually, i prefer salt lake valley. but i also like having a 10 minute commute to work, especially over the hour+ commute i used to have |
| 16:54.42 | emcnabb | well everyone, back to work... so I don't get repositioned! |
| 16:54.53 | levi | redbeard1: You need to find a job in the Salt Lake Valley. :) |
| 16:55.00 | redbeard1 | levi: i haven't looked much either. i'm a slacker. |
| 16:55.11 | elg | ~reposition emcnabb |
| 16:55.29 | redbeard1 | oh man. i would love to work in salt lake, but my company is absolutely killer. best one i've ever worked for. |
| 16:55.40 | RyanE | redbeard1: and who would that be? |
| 16:55.45 | redbeard1 | united online |
| 16:56.00 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | utah valley is for non-city people |
| 16:56.10 | redbeard1 | bonus: i sit near jayce, so i can throw stuff at him on a regular basis |
| 16:56.12 | levi | There's plenty of suburb in Salt Lake Valley. |
| 16:56.14 | redbeard1 | harley too |
| 16:56.20 | JoshH_ | utah is for non-city people |
| 16:56.34 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: i like the city. |
| 16:56.50 | levi | Provo has just as much, if not more, traffic than the SLC suburbs. |
| 16:57.02 | levi | I HATE Provo traffic. |
| 16:57.07 | redbeard1 | yeah, i hate provo/orem traffic |
| 16:57.17 | JoshH | and salt lake suburbs have traffic as bad or worse than SLC |
| 16:57.25 | redbeard1 | i would almost prefer to drive in boston |
| 16:57.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | levi: but it's still less "city" |
| 16:57.52 | levi | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: For some definition of "city" that exists only in your head, apparently. |
| 16:57.54 | JoshH | provo and orem just have more out of control minivans on the road |
| 16:57.56 | ^Migs^ | what is a "conversion salary range" |
| 16:58.01 | elg | redbeard1: I would prefer to drive in boston/connecticut |
| 16:58.02 | RyanE | eh, if you know Utah Valley well enough, you can avoid much of the traffic. People automatically assume that I-15 is the only way to go. |
| 16:58.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | my wife loves SLC, I love Utah Valley - we have a love/hate relationship |
| 16:58.16 | elg | i did that for the better part of 2 years so I know what I'm talking about |
| 16:58.36 | elg | (drive in connecticut) |
| 16:58.41 | levi | RyanE: I lived in Provo for years. The traffic sucked far worse than it does in Sandy, where I live now. |
| 16:58.43 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: once this company gets bigger you'll like it even more than UOL |
| 16:58.50 | harleypig | Is there a way with grep to search for multiple words and require each exist in the file? |
| 16:59.09 | harleypig | grep -r 'word1 && word2 && word3' * |
| 16:59.19 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: and you can live in SLC at the same time ;-) |
| 16:59.59 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: aren't you in park city or something? |
| 17:00.39 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: yeah, but commutable distance from many areas of SLC |
| 17:00.51 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | from sugarhouse it's only like 15-20 mins |
| 17:00.59 | redbeard1 | well sure, so long as it isn't snowing |
| 17:01.07 | redbeard1 | i've worked in pc during the winter. |
| 17:01.20 | RyanE | that's why I'm in Highland. If a job comes up in Provo, or south SLC, it's not a horrible commute either way. |
| 17:01.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | snow isn't that bad in parleys except maybe 3 times in the winter |
| 17:01.21 | redbeard1 | not something i would want to do again without a 4x4 |
| 17:01.30 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: nice try. i know better. |
| 17:01.41 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | and those times you can work in our warehouse or at home if it's bad enough |
| 17:01.45 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: wimp |
| 17:01.52 | RyanE | of course, that ensures I'll not work with m{\w{5}_Jesse}... eh, he'd probably fire me anyway... :) |
| 17:02.09 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I'm serious though - I only had like 3 times last winter where I didn't dare go up Parleys |
| 17:02.45 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: i started taking the employee shuttle when i worked out there. i could only drive my own car maybe 2 to 3 times a week |
| 17:03.06 | macnewbold | yeah, parley's isn't usually very bad |
| 17:03.13 | macnewbold | they keep it really well plowed |
| 17:03.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: you must have had a really bad winter then - parleys is usually pretty good |
| 17:03.28 | macnewbold | my dad used to work up there several days a week |
| 17:03.43 | macnewbold | and it's only a short 20-min drive from SLC |
| 17:03.44 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: actually, i remember that winter everyone at work was talking about how little snow they were getting that year. |
| 17:04.27 | redbeard1 | my house is only a short 10 minute drive from work. |
| 17:04.34 | vontrapp | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: mother_Jesse? |
| 17:05.13 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: I don't know what you were experiencing then - Parleys really hasn't been bad at all |
| 17:05.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | vontrapp: your guess is as good as mine |
| 17:05.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | actually, mother wouldn't work |
| 17:05.43 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it's 6 chars |
| 17:05.56 | vontrapp | why must it start with m? |
| 17:06.00 | vontrapp | master_Jesse? |
| 17:06.14 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it doesn't have to start with m |
| 17:06.29 | redbeard1 | i still remember that fateful night, when it took 4 hours for our employee shuttle to get us from kimball junction to I-215. that was a fun one. |
| 17:06.29 | vontrapp | but there's an m at the start |
| 17:06.47 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: oh - you were going at night then? |
| 17:06.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | that could be scary at times |
| 17:07.02 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: we called it rush hour |
| 17:07.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | vontrapp: that means "match" |
| 17:07.31 | vontrapp | sometimes i could barely move |
| 17:07.39 | vontrapp | but i always made it |
| 17:08.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | most of my life has been summer |
| 17:08.21 | redbeard1 | i usually missed rush hour too, if only just barely. but we started out before rush hour, and by the time we got back to the car... well, rush hour was long passed |
| 17:08.43 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: sounds like a good life |
| 17:08.55 | vontrapp | meh, summer sucks |
| 17:08.58 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | unless you like winter |
| 17:09.05 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | and snow |
| 17:09.16 | sjansen | Me has had more than his fill of snow and cold. |
| 17:09.23 | vontrapp | i like warm, but summer is just too hot |
| 17:09.28 | redbeard1 | we left kimball jct around 4ish, got back to the park and ride a little after 8... and then took an hour and a half to dig our cars out. then back to the shuttle by 6:40 the next morning. |
| 17:09.48 | vontrapp | and i'd rather be cold than hot |
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| 17:09.54 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: see - you should have just worked for us - it wouldn't be so bad |
| 17:09.58 | RyanE | obligatory Utah comment: "yeah, but it's a dry heat" |
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| 17:10.10 | sjansen | One of my dearest memories is walking throug a Japanese garden in 100+ heat. As long as I'm not in a hurry, the heat has a calming effect. |
| 17:10.17 | redbeard1 | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: it was my bakery externship. i don't think you could have helped with that. |
| 17:10.19 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yeah - humid heat is the best |
| 17:10.48 | sjansen | humidity is the best |
| 17:10.50 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | redbeard1: you could come cook me lunch at backcountry |
| 17:10.56 | sjansen | humidity + cold is the worst |
| 17:10.59 | vontrapp | ~lart humidity |
| 17:11.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: that was one of my favorite things about Thailand |
| 17:11.17 | vontrapp | but humidity + cold = SNOW |
| 17:11.22 | vontrapp | how could that be the worst? |
| 17:11.23 | sjansen | Not always. |
| 17:11.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ick! snow! |
| 17:11.39 | vontrapp | ~plow m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 17:12.04 | sjansen | Snow is not fun. Just go out to Minnesota. They're not lying when they say that a humid cold penetrates to your bones. |
| 17:12.19 | sjansen | At least in ND it was so cold that humidity didn't stay in the air. |
| 17:12.38 | sjansen | Seriously, a dry 0 degrees is better than a humid 32.5 degrees. |
| 17:12.48 | vontrapp | see, there's your problem! you didn't have _enough_ cold |
| 17:13.09 | sjansen | Oh, no, they're other problems when the mercury dips below 0. |
| 17:13.20 | sjansen | s/they're/theirs/ |
| 17:13.28 | sjansen | Oh, nevermind. |
| 17:13.33 | vontrapp | lol |
| 17:15.25 | vontrapp | i meant 32.5 isn't enough, not that 0 isn't enough |
| 17:16.29 | vontrapp | one of my favorite addages: "you can always put on more clothes, but when your but naked and still hot, not much you can do then" |
| 17:16.59 | vontrapp | s/your but/you're butt/ |
| 17:17.11 | RyanE | vontrapp: you can lower the temperature on the AC. |
| 17:17.12 | levi | vontrapp: Sure there is. You get naked /and/ wet. And if that's not enough, you turn on a fan. |
| 17:18.05 | sjansen | vontrapp: That adage is a lie. |
| 17:18.14 | RyanE | and there is a limit to how much clothing you can put on. like the kid in "Christmas Story" |
| 17:18.22 | vontrapp | i mean out and about, not sitting at home trying to stay cool (that's easy enough) |
| 17:18.25 | RyanE | with his arms rigid out to his sides because of the layers... |
| 17:18.40 | sjansen | It is much easier to escape heat than cold. |
| 17:19.20 | RyanE | and much easier to deal with, in my case. |
| 17:19.24 | vontrapp | and besides, i like to wear long sleeves, so there :p |
| 17:19.50 | RyanE | and I can't wear wool. |
| 17:20.07 | vontrapp | why's that? |
| 17:20.18 | RyanE | allergies. and I'm allergic to sled dogs, so that probably explains it. |
| 17:20.25 | RyanE | that's why I hate winter. |
| 17:21.18 | vontrapp | it makes you itch? |
| 17:21.34 | vontrapp | wool used to make me itch like crazy when i was a kid |
| 17:21.41 | vontrapp | but now it doesn't so much anymore |
| 17:22.13 | vontrapp | or does wool make you sneeze |
| 17:22.46 | RyanE | wool makes me itch, severely. I can't even wear a wool combo sweater on top of a long-sleeved shirt. I can feel the wool through the shirt. |
| 17:22.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | wool makes me sneeze and itch too |
| 17:23.02 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | one more reason not to like the cold |
| 17:23.33 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | more comfortable when it's warm |
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| 17:25.31 | harleypig | BITE ME WORLD! |
| 17:25.36 | harleypig | ow |
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| 17:26.02 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh - is that the password to get fungus in here? |
| 17:26.06 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | BITE ME WORLD! |
| 17:26.17 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | guess it has to be harleypig |
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| 17:29.15 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | woah! |
| 17:29.17 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it worked! |
| 17:29.22 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ow |
| 17:30.38 | vontrapp | eek lag! |
| 17:35.51 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | geek lag? |
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| 18:01.32 | redbeard1 | this is the first time i've actually tried to play a dvd under ubuntu, and it's not going well |
| 18:02.34 | nick125_lappy | what program are you trying? |
| 18:03.03 | redbeard1 | totem opens automatically, and doesn't like it. okle doesn't seem to like it either. |
| 18:03.57 | mrpull_ | readbeartd: http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ is a place to start |
| 18:03.59 | brac | [Welcome to EasyUbuntu] |
| 18:04.28 | findlay | mplayer is where it's at |
| 18:04.35 | findlay | ~hug mplayer |
| 18:04.38 | ibot | ACTION hugs mplayer |
| 18:04.46 | redbeard1 | i love mplayer, but it doesn't like my dvd's either |
| 18:04.52 | redbeard1 | checking out easyubuntu |
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| 18:05.29 | findlay | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 18:05.32 | ibot | ACTION beats emcnabb upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 18:07.01 | findlay | redbeard1: what does /var/log/messages say? |
| 18:07.20 | findlay | some kind of driver or disc error perhaps? |
| 18:07.29 | redbeard1 | findlay: hang on, i'm running easyubuntu. it's almost done. |
| 18:07.43 | elg | hmm. iTerm has all of a sudden decided to make this Terminus TTF font really ugly. I don't know why |
| 18:07.52 | elg | think I'll just use anonymous see how that goes |
| 18:08.00 | redbeard1 | elg: blame society. and your parents. |
| 18:08.23 | elg | redbeard1: well, if my parents had been playing on my laptop I would certainly blame them |
| 18:08.38 | elg | maybe I can blame my son. he manages to turn off the laptop in the blink of an eye which I still haven't figured out |
| 18:09.08 | redbeard1 | blame m{\w{5}_Jesse}'s parents. |
| 18:09.08 | findlay | kids just have a natural high ability with technology |
| 18:09.39 | findlay | ~blame kittens |
| 18:09.41 | ibot | ACTION blames kittens (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 18:09.58 | elg | blame canadian kittens |
| 18:10.00 | redbeard1 | ~blame m{\w{5}_Jesse}'s parents |
| 18:10.01 | ibot | ACTION blames m{\w{5}_Jesse}'s parents (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 18:10.18 | findlay | how do you say m{\w{5}_Jesse}? |
| 18:10.43 | redbeard1 | findlay: you mean with a straight face? |
| 18:11.11 | elg | findlay: "hi my name is jesse and I'm a perl addict" |
| 18:11.11 | findlay | that's it. Written communication is a higher form than speaking because you can write things you can't say |
| 18:12.42 | jsmith | findlay: I can say things that can't be written too... |
| 18:12.43 | macnewbold | findlay: the converse is also true... you can also say things you can't write |
| 18:12.51 | redbeard1 | well, no errors now, and i get sound, but no video |
| 18:12.52 | jsmith | macnewbold: Great minds think alike! |
| 18:12.59 | findlay | sure |
| 18:13.00 | findlay | prove it |
| 18:13.03 | redbeard1 | findlay: no errors in /var/log/messages |
| 18:13.06 | findlay | say something you can't write |
| 18:13.13 | macnewbold | what's more, you can convey things vocally that can't be written - intonation for example doesn't come across in writing |
| 18:13.21 | findlay | redbeard1: is it still not working then? |
| 18:13.29 | elg | findlay: easy. I just said what the lady says at the beginning of the click song |
| 18:13.43 | macnewbold | findlay: I would, but I can't type it here, cause it can't be written |
| 18:13.45 | findlay | elg: I didn't hear it |
| 18:13.53 | jsmith | findlay: If I make the sound of a dolphin, how are you gonna write that? Phonetically? |
| 18:13.56 | elg | findlay: obviously a disability |
| 18:14.02 | redbeard1 | hey, looks like ogle works. totem still errors, and okle has no video |
| 18:14.07 | elg | i like ogle |
| 18:14.14 | elg | it is my friend |
| 18:14.15 | findlay | elg: you're just jealous that I'm right |
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| 18:14.32 | findlay | ogle? What's ogle, precious? |
| 18:14.38 | elg | i've not had the opportunity/need to play with dvd in linux much, but when i have everything has hated me but ogle |
| 18:15.13 | sjansen | findlay: m{\w{5}_Jesse} means you get to pick, personally I chose dorky_Jesse |
| 18:15.44 | elg | I choose Auntie_Jesse |
| 18:15.57 | findlay | that's 6 |
| 18:15.58 | sjansen | elg: Too long. Needs to be 5. |
| 18:16.00 | elg | Aunty then |
| 18:16.32 | sjansen | Guido_Jesse |
| 18:16.39 | findlay | lol |
| 18:17.00 | jsmith | sjansen: Good one! |
| 18:17.39 | vontrapp | how can use a stored Proc where one would normally use {|x| foo x} |
| 18:17.42 | sjansen | Yeah, but maybe a bit below the belt. |
| 18:18.10 | vontrapp | e.g. ary.each do {|x| ...} but instead ary.each (use stored proc) |
| 18:18.14 | sjansen | vontrapp: You lost me on that one. |
| 18:18.32 | findlay | looks like a math construct |
| 18:19.03 | elg | ary.each {|x| foo.call(x)} |
| 18:19.04 | elg | ? |
| 18:19.12 | elg | or whatever the syntax for calling foo is |
| 18:19.27 | vontrapp | well that works i guess |
| 18:19.48 | vontrapp | i was hoping for something like ary.each proc |
| 18:19.50 | emcnabb | pastebin.com is running very slowly; anyone know of a similar site I can use? |
| 18:20.01 | sjansen | Oh, I guess I understand the question now. |
| 18:20.04 | jsmith | pastebin.ca? |
| 18:20.06 | nick125_lappy | pastebin.ca, rafb.net, etc |
| 18:20.15 | findlay | ~pastebin |
| 18:20.17 | ibot | i guess pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 18:20.19 | sjansen | Isn't there an advanced syntax like ary.each &proc |
| 18:20.23 | elg | emcnabb: http://hans.fugal.net/typo/articles/2006/06/29/pasting-panacea |
| 18:20.24 | brac | [Pasting Panacea] |
| 18:20.30 | nick125_lappy | pastebin sites are a dime a dozen |
| 18:20.32 | vontrapp | sjansen: tried that |
| 18:20.34 | emcnabb | thanks |
| 18:21.06 | findlay | http://www.pastebin-just-for-emcnabb.com/ |
| 18:22.19 | redbeard1 | okle works too now |
| 18:23.52 | redbeard1 | ah, good eats dvds. could life get any better? |
| 18:26.00 | vontrapp | sjansen: that does work after all |
| 18:26.13 | vontrapp | forgot i had parens on it func(something) &proc is what didn't work |
| 18:26.25 | vontrapp | func(something, &proc) does |
| 18:26.55 | ^Migs^ | holy crap: http://ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=60798 |
| 18:28.48 | redbeard1 | mrpull_: thanks for the easyubuntu tip. you da man. |
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| 18:29.37 | elg | heh. "coworkers did nothing, uh, except exactly what they were supposed to do" |
| 18:34.36 | vontrapp | anyone have a favorite ruby benchmarking library? |
| 18:35.17 | tene | What sort of library has benches made of ruby, and why would you want to mark them? |
| 18:43.11 | ^Migs^ | tene-- |
| 18:43.25 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~google therapy products |
| 18:43.45 | ^Migs^ | I think I have strep throat |
| 18:48.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | thats bad |
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| 19:05.04 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 19:05.59 | sjansen | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: What's that calendaring program your company uses? |
| 19:08.12 | elg | zinkl_jesse |
| 19:09.18 | elg | zimbra.com |
| 19:17.21 | elg | whoa, my sourdough bread is going crazy |
| 19:17.34 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 19:21.15 | redbeard1 | ~dog elg |
| 19:21.16 | ibot | ACTION stares at elg until elg whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 19:24.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | sjansen: zimbra |
| 19:24.31 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | IMO it's better than google |
| 19:24.39 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | more features at least |
| 19:33.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | hey - no picking on my nick unless I'm watching |
| 19:37.11 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 19:38.47 | tristanbob_ | is there a free dvd player for windows? |
| 19:39.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | tristanbob_: XP's is built-in I thought |
| 19:39.26 | levi | Mmmm, Indian food. |
| 19:39.40 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | you may need an encoder though |
| 19:39.49 | tristanbob_ | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: I don't believe so - yes, a decoder is needed |
| 19:39.56 | tristanbob_ | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/mp10/getmore/plugins.aspx#DVDDecoder |
| 19:40.33 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | does one not come with your video card? |
| 19:44.23 | tristanbob_ | don't think so |
| 19:51.37 | emcnabb | ~lart m{\w{5}_Jesse} |
| 19:54.53 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~shoot emcnabb |
| 19:54.55 | ibot | ACTION shoots emcnabb in the foot with a spitwad! |
| 19:59.36 | levi | I have at least 3 Indian restaurants within a couple of miles of my home, and they're all pretty good. |
| 20:08.45 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | no one in #osama |
| 20:10.55 | jsmith | Anybody need an unopened copy of Windows XP or Microsoft Office? |
| 20:11.24 | JoshH | pro? |
| 20:11.26 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | jsmith: how much? |
| 20:11.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | if they're free I'll take them |
| 20:12.24 | jsmith | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: $90 for Windows Home Edition, $170 for Office 2003 (Basic edition, I think) |
| 20:12.49 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ah - nm. I was just going to sell them on ebay ;-) |
| 20:14.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh - people are now signing up in #osama from a comment on /. |
| 20:14.03 | jsmith | Yeah, and then you get Microsoft complaining to eBay and getting your auctions pulled. |
| 20:14.16 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | jsmith: I sold several copies, no complaints |
| 20:14.27 | jsmith | Good to know... |
| 20:15.10 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | if they complain, just remove the listing - they won't sue you unless you don't remove it |
| 20:15.49 | jsmith | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: Yeah, but then I'm out the listing fee from eBay |
| 20:16.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yeah, true |
| 20:16.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I sold like 3 items and didn't get any complaints though so you're probably good |
| 20:17.07 | macnewbold | as long as you bought it normally, and it's transferrable/resellable, you're fine |
| 20:17.20 | macnewbold | if it's a student edition or pirated or something, then you'd maybe run into trouble |
| 20:17.56 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | you could even get away with selling a student edition |
| 20:18.04 | jsmith | Well, the sticker says I can't sell it without the required hardware. |
| 20:18.33 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | many of those user agreements aren't enforcable in court |
| 20:18.47 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | they just say it to scare the users so they make more money |
| 20:21.32 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | tene: you weren't in there long enough to party with us |
| 20:22.00 | findlay | anybody know how to get a list of files of a debian package? |
| 20:23.38 | findlay | dpkg -c |
| 20:23.52 | findlay | thanks for all the help |
| 20:28.45 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | findlay: np |
| 20:30.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | Are there any automatic signature generators, that will make a pretty signature |
| 20:34.09 | tene | eh? |
| 20:37.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | I need to sign a picture |
| 20:37.16 | xbmodder_newlapp | but my own signature looks like shit |
| 20:37.18 | xbmodder_newlapp | err |
| 20:37.21 | xbmodder_newlapp | sorry |
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| 20:38.18 | atoponce | vote for pete ashdown: http://ga4.org/pacforachange/senate_vote.html |
| 20:38.36 | tene | there's one online. send an email and paypal $20 to artist@artistsdomain.com |
| 20:38.48 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | atoponce: definitely |
| 20:39.20 | atoponce | this is for financial help on that site |
| 20:40.49 | tene | what is PAC for a change? |
| 20:43.09 | atoponce | PAC is political action committees that provide financial help for politicians |
| 20:43.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | winner gets $30000 towards their campaign |
| 20:43.35 | atoponce | correct |
| 20:43.51 | atoponce | $30,000 - $80,000 |
| 20:48.35 | macnewbold | xbmodder_newlapp: re the signature, just have a girl do it for you (without the hearts above any i's and j's) and you'll be fine... |
| 20:48.59 | xbmodder_newlapp | steps to get the signature from girl: |
| 20:49.03 | xbmodder_newlapp | 1. find girl |
| 20:49.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | ;-/ |
| 20:49.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | err |
| 20:49.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | :-/ |
| 20:50.01 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | xbmodder_newlapp: maquis has a boyfriend now so she won't do it for you |
| 20:50.28 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 20:53.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | Really should have bought the signature stamp |
| 20:58.14 | xbmodder_newlapp | *Goes off to learn how to use the gimp* |
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| 21:16.59 | mrpull_ | hey RT users.... anybody use the autoreplysquelch on 3.4? |
| 21:17.10 | mrpull_ | or something similar? |
| 21:17.11 | levi | No wonder maquis is never around anymore. |
| 21:17.27 | mrpull_ | I want to suppress autoreplies to a certain list of requesters |
| 21:44.20 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | heh - I checked the box to not be on the PAC for a change mailing list and they still sent me an e-mail saying I joined |
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| 21:49.35 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 21:50.42 | macnewbold | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: me too - If they send us more spam, let's get after them |
| 21:53.02 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | macnewbold: definitely - I'm not a democrat, I just want Ashdown to win |
| 21:53.18 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I especially don't want spam from Barbara Boxer |
| 21:53.57 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | okay, I don't even care if Ashdown wins - I just don't want Orrin Hatch to win |
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| 21:59.22 | elg | sjansen: ok, I give up. what's ${1+foo} do? |
| 21:59.53 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | is foo a subroutine? |
| 22:00.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it adds 1 to whatever is returned by foo and sets that as the name of the variable |
| 22:00.51 | elg | ${1+"$*"} was his specific snippet |
| 22:01.10 | levi | What manner of evil is this? |
| 22:01.35 | elg | http://blogs.gurulabs.com/stuart/archives/2006/07/gxine_xscreensa.html |
| 22:01.36 | brac | [Stuart's Blog: gxine xscreensaver wrapper] |
| 22:01.38 | macnewbold | it is perl, and of the devil |
| 22:01.44 | elg | bash |
| 22:02.53 | levi | Uh, when did Stuart get the new blog theme? |
| 22:03.00 | levi | It's very... summery. |
| 22:03.04 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | $* is deprecated |
| 22:03.26 | elg | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: says who/ |
| 22:04.09 | levi | shell scripting is evil. |
| 22:04.28 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: says the camel book |
| 22:04.36 | elg | this is bash |
| 22:04.36 | levi | I consider all sh-derivatives to be deprecated. :) |
| 22:04.41 | elg | what does the camel book have to do with it? |
| 22:04.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: ah - I was reading that as perl |
| 22:05.40 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | in perl, it would set that to true, which would automatically assume /s and /m on pattern matches, and my guess is return whatever 1+$* is set to |
| 22:06.07 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | which if $* was false would be 1, and if true, would be 2 |
| 22:06.36 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | but $* is deprecated in perl so it's bad code anyway :-) |
| 22:07.47 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | how did something with only 20 digs get to the front page of digg? |
| 22:08.03 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | especially something that's not even true |
| 22:09.31 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | http://digg.com/world_news/Rumsfeld_Says_9-11_Plane_Was_Shot_Down_Over_Pennsylvania |
| 22:11.31 | levi | Because it's sensational. |
| 22:11.47 | elg | because digg is a joke |
| 22:12.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | it's starting to get more and more of those |
| 22:12.51 | elg | maquis: why can't I change my shipping option on the amazon order I just placed? |
| 22:12.54 | levi | It's always had a bunch of crap in it. |
| 22:12.58 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.08 | elg | maquis: is that your bug? can I blame you? |
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| 22:14.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | maquis works for amazon? |
| 22:14.21 | levi | She had an internship there over the summer. |
| 22:14.34 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ah - I interviewed with them once |
| 22:14.39 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I hear it's really snooty there |
| 22:14.55 | levi | You just say that 'cause they didn't want you. ;) |
| 22:14.57 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | a bunch of MIT grads who only care about where you graduated from |
| 22:15.09 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | levi: no - heard from a coworker who worked there |
| 22:15.25 | elg | well, maquis hadn't graduated |
| 22:15.27 | levi | I know some people who work there, and haven't heard anything like that. |
| 22:15.29 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | but yes, they chose a local guy over relocating me |
| 22:15.34 | elg | and when she does she's graduating from byu |
| 22:15.39 | elg | not exactly mit or stanford |
| 22:15.57 | elg | (I believe she said they have a job for her) |
| 22:15.58 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | I hear the non-MIT and Stanford guys feel really out of place |
| 22:16.16 | levi | I'm pretty sure my friends who work there were not MIT or Stanford graduates. |
| 22:16.21 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | Unless BYU is considered up with MIT and Stanford now |
| 22:16.49 | levi | It's a big company; maybe your friend just worked with a few snobs. |
| 22:17.06 | elg | maybe your friend was the snob |
| 22:17.13 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yeah - maybe |
| 22:17.24 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | my friend quit here too so that could be the case |
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| 22:29.14 | sjansen | elg: You know, I can't remember. |
| 22:32.18 | elg | heh |
| 22:32.28 | elg | I know "$*" magically quotes things for you |
| 22:33.09 | sjansen | All I remember is that when I was testing I had problems with args being passed incorrectly. |
| 22:33.27 | sjansen | And after finding that somewhere, it fixed it. |
| 22:36.20 | elg | were you doing "$*" before? |
| 22:36.34 | sjansen | yeah |
| 22:36.49 | sjansen | I'm trying to reproduce the problem right now, but I'm not having much luck. |
| 22:37.21 | elg | kind of hard to google for |
| 22:38.48 | sjansen | weird |
| 22:38.54 | vontrapp | does ruby store the sizes of arrays internally or does ary.length cost a full count |
| 22:39.09 | elg | use the source luke |
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| 22:39.15 | elg | or do a telling experiment |
| 22:39.18 | sjansen | Isn't luke your other brother? |
| 22:39.18 | vontrapp | ~lart the source |
| 22:39.35 | elg | create a huge array and time how long it takes to do length |
| 22:39.47 | elg | jacob likes to go by lukfugl, yes |
| 22:39.59 | elg | don't ask me why. one of those mission things |
| 22:43.08 | lars-ut | I might not be in #utah very often... |
| 22:43.18 | sjansen | help desk? |
| 22:43.24 | lars-ut | support |
| 22:43.27 | sjansen | You're a far better man than I. |
| 22:43.51 | lars-ut | It's a step up from the startup I'm working for |
| 22:44.02 | lars-ut | thanks herlo |
| 22:44.14 | herlo | ~lart sjansen for such wimpyness, we all must go through our trials and tribulations... |
| 22:44.40 | lars-ut | I feel pretty good about it, actually |
| 22:45.04 | elg | so i picked up goedel escher bach finally |
| 22:45.35 | jsmith | lars-ut: Woo hoo! |
| 22:45.46 | herlo | lars-ut: did you read my blog about Xgl and FC5? |
| 22:45.52 | lars-ut | jsmith: thanks |
| 22:45.55 | jsmith | lars-ut: Let's go celebrate! (Actually, I've gotta pack for my trip, boo hoo) |
| 22:46.16 | lars-ut | jsmith: why don't you go... overseas! |
| 22:46.25 | elg | i know, you can celebrate by packing up jsmith in a suitcase |
| 22:46.31 | elg | jsmith: where to now? |
| 22:46.41 | jsmith | lars-ut: You taking your sweetie out to dinner to celebrate? |
| 22:46.53 | lars-ut | jsmith: she's on bedrest |
| 22:46.56 | elg | herlo is lars-ut's sweetie? |
| 22:47.07 | lars-ut | pay attention elg |
| 22:47.11 | jsmith | elg: Headed to England for a little vacation/family reunion (and yes, I realize that those are mutually exclusive) |
| 22:47.12 | herlo | ~lart elg for not paying attention |
| 22:47.24 | elg | jsmith: oooh, that does sound fun |
| 22:47.25 | jsmith | lars-ut: I'm sorry... I didn't realize she was on bed rest... |
| 22:47.30 | elg | I want to go to England and Denmark |
| 22:47.38 | jsmith | elg: Yeah, three weeks in Europe in the last month... |
| 22:47.42 | elg | maybe Sweden and Ireland too |
| 22:47.53 | elg | someday... |
| 22:47.57 | jsmith | My wife will be going to Ireland, but I'm taking my son to Legoland instead |
| 22:48.11 | xbmodder_newlapp | jsmith, heh |
| 22:48.21 | lars-ut | jsmith: np... LegoLand?! |
| 22:48.30 | elg | france could be nice to motorcycle through |
| 22:48.35 | xbmodder_newlapp | jsmith, where is legoland? |
| 22:48.35 | elg | on the way to somewhere else |
| 22:48.59 | sjansen | while towing an self-aiming cheeseburger launcher |
| 22:49.05 | jsmith | xbmodder_newlapp: Let's see... there's on in Denmark, there's one around Los Angeles, and there's one in England somewhere... guess which one I'm going to. |
| 22:49.16 | jsmith | s/on/one/ |
| 22:49.27 | elg | the one in morocco |
| 22:49.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | Where is lego based? |
| 22:49.44 | jsmith | Hey, that sounds like fun. |
| 22:49.48 | jsmith | xbmodder_newlapp: Denmakr |
| 22:49.59 | lars-ut | http://www.legoland.com/ |
| 22:50.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: where did Jacob serve his mission? |
| 22:50.35 | elg | m{\w{5}_Jesse}: south of the border |
| 22:50.48 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | weird nick |
| 22:50.49 | lars-ut | m{\w{5}_Jesse} - interesting nick |
| 22:51.05 | elg | yes, he is. but he prefers nich |
| 22:51.07 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | lars-ut: thanks - I made it myself |
| 22:51.22 | lars-ut | s/interesting/l33td00d |
| 22:51.26 | elg | lars-ut: (in case you couldn't tell) |
| 22:53.17 | lars-ut | I WiSh mY niCk W42 4Ll h4X0R 4nd StUFF |
| 22:53.38 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | lars-ut: I'll make you one for $50 |
| 22:54.36 | jsmith | elg: It doesn't? |
| 22:54.43 | jsmith | elg: What am I gonna read on my trip? |
| 22:54.58 | elg | heh. you were gonna read that? |
| 22:55.06 | jsmith | Uh, yeah... |
| 22:55.11 | lars-ut | jsmith: you have an official link for your book? |
| 22:55.14 | elg | fancy that. I'm going to use it to teach |
| 22:55.20 | jsmith | elg: Since I'm not a l33t C programmer like you |
| 22:55.22 | elg | jsmith: the uug library has a copy |
| 22:55.24 | lars-ut | jsmith: the PDF download |
| 22:55.26 | elg | maybe you can get ahold of it |
| 22:55.39 | jsmith | lars-ut: asteriskdocs.org (which was down, last time I checked) |
| 22:55.44 | elg | jsmith: too bad you're not here, you could take my class |
| 22:55.44 | elg | :) |
| 22:55.50 | jsmith | elg: I would love to. |
| 22:55.56 | jsmith | elg: You putting your slides online? |
| 22:56.05 | elg | sure. insofar as I make slides |
| 22:56.22 | elg | you can do the projects and I'll 'grade' you if you like |
| 22:56.29 | jsmith | Sure! |
| 22:56.33 | jsmith | Sounds like fun. |
| 22:56.37 | elg | this is all if the class actually makes |
| 22:56.45 | elg | we have 7 signed up so far, it needs 10 to make |
| 22:56.51 | elg | the 13th is the deadline I think |
| 22:56.58 | elg | classes start on the 11th |
| 22:57.46 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg: where you teaching at? |
| 22:57.48 | elg | i suppose it is possible that it's just the byu portal to safari taht doesn't have that book |
| 22:57.51 | elg | nmsu |
| 22:57.56 | jsmith | Let me check... |
| 22:58.11 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | elg isn't in Utah any more? |
| 22:58.22 | elg | migrated |
| 22:58.31 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.16 | jsmith | elg: Gee -- my Safari account has it ;-) |
| 23:02.08 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | so take that |
| 23:03.18 | elg | jsmith: cool, must be this byu acct. |
| 23:05.18 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.30 | vontrapp | must.. get... memory. . back! |
| 23:05.44 | elg | ~mario vontrapp |
| 23:06.41 | lars-ut | herlo: wanna play powergrid or Carcasonne while I upgrade the software RAID1 array here? |
| 23:06.55 | herlo | lars-ut: when? |
| 23:07.08 | lars-ut | anytime after 6pm when I kick everybody out |
| 23:07.56 | herlo | hmm, ask otis... |
| 23:08.39 | vontrapp | i return from the memory swamp with the conclusion that Array.length is of order O(1) |
| 23:09.14 | lars-ut | I've scheduled all the desktops to shutdown as well |
| 23:09.24 | jsmith | lars-ut: Go out in a blaze of glory! |
| 23:09.29 | lars-ut | lol |
| 23:10.11 | lars-ut | jsmith: nah - just going from an 2 80GB drives to 2 320GB drives on a filerserver |
| 23:10.22 | vontrapp | length took something like 2e-5 |
| 23:10.24 | lars-ut | s/filerserver/filerserver |
| 23:10.29 | lars-ut | dang! |
| 23:10.50 | lars-ut | flierserver? |
| 23:10.55 | *** part/#utah phinux (n=phinux@strychnine.cs.byu.edu) |
| 23:11.01 | lars-ut | ~anagram fileserver |
| 23:11.09 | lars-ut | strike 2... |
| 23:11.24 | elg | filesevere |
| 23:11.32 | vontrapp | elg: yet through it all, mpd only stuttered a couple times |
| 23:12.02 | elg | good for it |
| 23:12.24 | lars-ut | how can I make fdisk -l human readable? |
| 23:13.16 | tene | what would change for it to be human-readable? |
| 23:13.31 | tene | unless I have a different fdisk version than you do, or something... |
| 23:13.49 | lars-ut | tene: I don't want blocks listed |
| 23:14.07 | lars-ut | megabytes instead |
| 23:14.28 | lars-ut | 'df -Th' looks so perty |
| 23:14.58 | tene | why don't you just use df, then? |
| 23:15.34 | lars-ut | because the drive output is different from the array output |
| 23:17.32 | vontrapp | ~edit lars-ut |
| 23:18.09 | lars-ut | ~segmentation fault |
| 23:18.10 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, segmentation fault is when the program takes a shit on you |
| 23:18.15 | lars-ut | oops |
| 23:18.27 | lars-ut | ~shame on ibot |
| 23:18.42 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | ~clean ibot |
| 23:18.43 | ibot | ACTION nukes ibot room and sdays to ibot: Und zie problem is solved |
| 23:22.34 | lars-ut | vontrapp: that's what happens when you edit lars-ut ... there's all kinds of profanity buried in that code |
| 23:24.14 | vontrapp | ~clean lars-ut's code |
| 23:24.15 | ibot | ACTION nukes lars-ut's code room and sdays to lars-ut's code: Und zie problem is solved |
| 23:24.21 | lars-ut | NO! |
| 23:24.58 | elg | ~forget segmentation fault |
| 23:24.58 | ibot | elg: i forgot segmentation fault |
| 23:25.05 | elg | ~forget clean $who |
| 23:25.05 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'clean $who' to forget, elg |
| 23:25.13 | elg | -lart ibot |
| 23:25.18 | wps | anyone board and want to DOS a website for me? |
| 23:25.44 | wps | s/board/bored/ |
| 23:26.55 | sjansen | wps: Just join #alt2600 and brag about how your sight can withstand any DOS. |
| 23:27.04 | wps | :) |
| 23:27.42 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
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| 23:49.05 | bonez41 | I need a little help witha conversion script..it's perl.....anyone? I have been using gnucash...now want to convert the gnucash data, which is stored as .xml 2.0... over to sql-ledger...they have a script....names gnc20.pl ... I just need someone to guide me in how to run the script... |
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| 23:50.44 | macnewbold | bonez41: if you have perl installed, you should just be able to type "gnc20.pl" on the command line to run it, maybe with a path to it or a ./ if necessary, or "perl path/to/gnc20.pl" should do it for sure |
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| 23:53.41 | lars-ut | herlo: I called Otis - he seems up for some board games |
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| 23:54.04 | herlo | lars-ut: sounds good...7:30 ish |
| 23:54.13 | lars-ut | k |
| 23:55.45 | bonez41 | macnewbold, what about output? the file I want it to convert is included within the script.....does it produce the converted file under some other name? |
| 23:56.38 | bonez41 | Here's the link to the script page: http://www.sql-ledger.org/cgi-bin/nav.pl?page=misc/conversions.html&title=Conversions |
| 23:56.38 | brac | [SQL-Ledger Accounting] |
| 23:56.53 | bonez41 | it notes that I need XML::simple...which I have installed.... |
| 23:57.01 | bonez41 | brac, are you a user? |
| 23:57.02 | brac | beats me |
| 23:57.06 | bonez41 | hmm ok |