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| 00:51.23 | spr | Peregrine, turns out the head Django developer just added an easy interface for multiple auth backends. |
| 00:52.59 | emcnabb | ~lart spr |
| 00:55.25 | Peregrine | cool. |
| 00:57.10 | Peregrine | That's what I love about open source. It just keeps improving. :) |
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| 01:47.38 | levi | Heh. |
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| 02:39.03 | herlo | PeregrineFalcon: how's it going? |
| 02:39.42 | herlo | PeregrineFalcon: feeling better? |
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| 03:14.56 | vontrapp | how does one dynamically create an html dom element (like an anchor) |
| 03:21.51 | elg_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/rick020200/167377312/in/set-522381/ |
| 03:21.58 | elg_ | ~lart elg |
| 03:23.35 | vontrapp | ~lart low memory |
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| 04:49.50 | mheath | My car is really scary to drive now =\ |
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| 04:56.54 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~urbandict wb |
| 04:57.00 | xbmodder_newlapp | ~wb |
| 04:57.02 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
| 04:57.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | ok... |
| 04:57.11 | xbmodder_newlapp | huh? |
| 04:57.48 | mheath | WB = Welcome Back. |
| 04:57.53 | xbmodder_newlapp | thanks |
| 04:59.27 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: you didn't know what that meant? |
| 04:59.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | no |
| 05:05.10 | xbmodder_newlapp | Whats a good python DNS server? |
| 05:06.10 | mheath | LMAO |
| 05:06.26 | mheath | Wow, the world really is insane. |
| 05:09.01 | Supaplex | none at all :P |
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| 05:47.21 | levi | Heh, the MacGuyver Mastercard commercial rocks. |
| 05:52.02 | RyanE | levi: you need to get out more. :) |
| 06:00.44 | tewk | So where is the closest electronic parts, HAM radio, etc store in utah county? |
| 06:09.49 | RyanE | there used to be a few, but more and more, they've closed up shop. |
| 06:10.08 | RyanE | There's Central Utah Electronics in south Provo, but I don't know how much good stuff they carry anymore. |
| 06:10.18 | RyanE | Alpha Omega closed shop. |
| 06:10.58 | RyanE | I usually just mail order from Digi-Key. About as fast as my getting down to Provo to pick anything up. :) |
| 06:26.40 | levi | Plus you get those big honkin' catalogs. |
| 06:26.49 | RyanE | yeah. |
| 06:27.04 | RyanE | I love their catalog. I use it to clean my soldering iron between joints. |
| 06:28.31 | tewk | I'm thinking about making a pingles can 802.11 antenna for fun. Looking for a place to buy N-connectors |
| 06:29.28 | RyanE | you probably want N-connectors and the appropriate pigtail for your wireless card. I can't think of where to get that, other than online. Of course, Central Utah might surprise you. |
| 06:30.05 | levi | tewk: How's your Scheme stuff coming along? |
| 06:30.07 | RyanE | most of the cantenna sites have appropriate pigtails and N-connectors or links to them for sale on their sites. |
| 06:32.50 | tewk | Thesis has been reviewed by two professors on my committee, I need to make one last set of revisions. I need to clean up the code and release it. |
| 06:33.29 | tewk | I've been playing around with the starts of a ruby implementation in parrot lately. |
| 06:34.08 | levi | It'll be interesting to see which of the ruby implementations take off. |
| 06:34.22 | levi | Someone's writing a python implementation in common lisp. |
| 06:34.33 | tewk | That would be cool to look at URL? |
| 06:35.19 | levi | http://trac.common-lisp.net/clpython/ |
| 06:51.08 | levi | Man, my DSL connection is getting ridiculous. |
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| 06:53.19 | levi | Man, my DSL connection is getting ridiculous. |
| 06:56.28 | mheath | Wow, what a horrible let-down of a movie.... |
| 06:56.40 | levi | What movie? |
| 06:56.47 | mheath | Doom. |
| 06:57.14 | levi | You actually watched it? |
| 06:57.21 | mheath | I still am. |
| 06:57.53 | levi | Why? |
| 06:59.57 | mheath | ~lart The Rock |
| 07:02.11 | mheath | They even have a first-person-shooter shot....apparently supposed to mimick what it aws like to play Doom. |
| 07:02.13 | mheath | It doesn't. |
| 07:02.16 | mheath | Not at all |
| 07:03.06 | mheath | One of the characters is superhuman now, and you're seeing things through his eyes |
| 07:03.13 | mheath | Though he doesn't seem at all superhuman, really |
| 07:03.18 | mheath | all the monsters just seem dumber and slower suddenly |
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| 07:14.48 | mheath | levi, I feel bad for your internet connection. It's very sick. |
| 07:15.34 | mheath | Anyone here live in West Jordan? |
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| 07:36.19 | mheath | What the heck? |
| 07:36.36 | mheath | People rediculed sites for blocking out non-IE browsers |
| 07:36.50 | mheath | but I just stumbled on a firefox-only website |
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| 14:37.34 | elg | ~rlart |
| 14:38.09 | redbeard1 | ~lart elg |
| 14:38.40 | elg | sweet, maybe now my toddler will think I'm cool |
| 14:39.04 | redbeard1 | you think so? |
| 14:39.15 | redbeard1 | dude, kids don't think their parents are cool. |
| 14:40.28 | redbeard1 | that would be like, an end to society as we know it |
| 14:45.24 | elg | but if i was like, a penguin, he would |
| 14:46.14 | redbeard1 | hrm. maybe. |
| 14:46.32 | redbeard1 | i need to invest in penguin toys now. |
| 14:46.42 | redbeard1 | it's important to get them started early. |
| 14:54.11 | elg | actually the penguins are pretty much instantly effective |
| 14:54.16 | elg | they don't need much practice |
| 15:05.04 | vontrapp | the penguins or the kids? |
| 15:06.41 | redbeard1 | kids instantly like penguins? |
| 15:07.03 | elg | or penguins are instantly attractive to kids |
| 15:07.09 | vontrapp | the penguins don't need much practice |
| 15:07.10 | elg | however you like to look at it |
| 15:07.28 | RyanE | yeah, you give those penguins too much practice, they'll take over the world. |
| 15:07.38 | RyanE | witness Wallace and Gromit. |
| 15:07.43 | redbeard1 | meglomaniac penguins |
| 15:07.47 | vontrapp | never saw it :( |
| 15:07.56 | redbeard1 | that was a good episode |
| 15:08.15 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: i think they have the complete wallace and grommit at costco still. you should pick it up. |
| 15:14.54 | RyanE | the Penguin one is definitely my favorite. Didn't much care for the Were-Rabbit movie. |
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| 15:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no clue |
| 15:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Just how my nick stayed online for over three days |
| 15:19.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Without actually being connected |
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| 15:21.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Also |
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| 15:25.00 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 15:25.50 | elg | ~rlart |
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| 15:58.05 | mheath | No one has tried to run OSx on (non-apple) x86 hardware, have they? |
| 16:01.08 | RyanE | mheath: I presume you mean no one *HERE*... |
| 16:02.22 | mheath | Yes. |
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| 16:03.37 | elg | how long are you going to use that pr0n nick? |
| 16:03.56 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: hey - it was my nick before it was a pr0n nick |
| 16:04.09 | Uncle_Jesse | only you would know btw ;-) |
| 16:05.09 | elg | what, did everyone else /ignore you? |
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| 16:05.52 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: what did you say? sorry - I was /ignore'ing you ;-) |
| 16:06.47 | Uncle_Jesse | ~whaleslap elg |
| 16:06.49 | ibot | ACTION beats elg upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 16:07.38 | Uncle_Jesse | so has OSCON started yet or is that in the next week or two? |
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| 16:08.37 | Uncle_Jesse | for some reason all the companies I've worked for have been willing to mention possibilities of OSCON, but none of them have come through on it |
| 16:09.13 | Uncle_Jesse | ~pity |
| 16:09.26 | Uncle_Jesse | :-( |
| 16:09.36 | brando1 | Anyone have a lead for a recent female cs student who's getting started, something in the web, java, mysql area? A good first job for a intro dev or tester? |
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| 16:10.30 | Uncle_Jesse | brando1: have her shoot us a resume - we're hiring |
| 16:10.47 | emcnabb | and she'll be able to go to OSCON too! |
| 16:11.08 | Uncle_Jesse | brando1: jobs@backcountry.com - be sure to have her mention my name |
| 16:11.13 | Uncle_Jesse | I want the referral bonus ;-) |
| 16:11.36 | Uncle_Jesse | unfortunately, she won't be able to go to OSCON, at least not on company pay |
| 16:11.55 | Uncle_Jesse | (my name is Jesse Stay in case you were wondering) |
| 16:12.03 | emcnabb | unless Uncle_Jesse hires her for his side business ;-) |
| 16:12.03 | brando1 | heh, K. |
| 16:12.14 | Uncle_Jesse | emcnabb: shhh... |
| 16:12.18 | vontrapp | who has a tiny w3c validator icon? |
| 16:12.31 | Uncle_Jesse | brando1: and no, I'm not the guy at unclejesse.com (NSFW) |
| 16:12.53 | Uncle_Jesse | man - that sucks - now I'm going to have to preface all my introductions with that |
| 16:13.01 | elg | or change your nick |
| 16:13.04 | Uncle_Jesse | I should sue the guy for defaming my name |
| 16:13.19 | elg | whoever wrote dukes of hazzard should sue you |
| 16:13.24 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: but I always wanted to be an "Uncle Jesse" when I was growing up |
| 16:13.31 | emcnabb | how about 'porn_czar'? |
| 16:13.42 | brando1 | Thanks, I've send the info to her.. |
| 16:14.24 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: ever since watching dukes of hazzard |
| 16:15.17 | brando1 | when is OSCON anyway? |
| 16:19.20 | flyboy^ | Uncle_Jesse: Where do you work? |
| 16:19.42 | Uncle_Jesse | flyboy^: backcountry.com |
| 16:19.52 | Uncle_Jesse | we're based up in Park City |
| 16:20.28 | Uncle_Jesse | nice, laid back atmosphere, all OSS - we've been featured in CIO Insight Magazine and Newsforge for our use of OSS |
| 16:20.57 | Uncle_Jesse | we were just in the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and several other news sources for our launch of google's checkout service |
| 16:21.32 | brando1 | Oh, cool, didn't know that's what you guys did |
| 16:21.39 | vontrapp | ~lart dropped packets |
| 16:21.54 | Uncle_Jesse | brando1: gear at just above cost, some below cost (on pro-deals) |
| 16:23.37 | emcnabb | Uncle_Jesse: how big is the company? |
| 16:24.42 | Uncle_Jesse | emcnabb: we have about 200 total employees if you count our CS reps and warehouse peeps |
| 16:24.53 | Uncle_Jesse | we're growing tremendously though |
| 16:25.02 | Uncle_Jesse | we seem to have new people every week |
| 16:25.09 | Uncle_Jesse | our engineering department has about 20 engineers |
| 16:26.13 | emcnabb | awesome |
| 16:31.45 | scottj | mheath: if all your hardware is supported it runs really well |
| 16:32.03 | mheath | It seems like it all should be - the only concern I have is my WiFi |
| 16:32.26 | mheath | scottj, it can run PPC programs, too, right? |
| 16:33.11 | scottj | I think with rosetta |
| 16:33.31 | elg | mheath: you have a broadcom card right? my ibook has a broadcom (although I think a different chipset than yours) so it's probably going to be better than linux |
| 16:33.41 | scottj | anyone have recommendations for OSS company calendaring/scheduling software? |
| 16:34.02 | Uncle_Jesse | scottj: zimbra |
| 16:34.03 | elg | scottj: that way lies insanity |
| 16:34.26 | Uncle_Jesse | we use it here company-wide |
| 16:34.33 | mheath | elg, actually, most broadcom wireless seems to be supported out-of-the-box....except for mine =P |
| 16:34.53 | mheath | But I read some posts about 4318 being supported with a minor modification to a particular file |
| 16:34.59 | elg | in linux? it's true the bcm43xx driver is in 2.6.17 and making great strides |
| 16:35.04 | elg | but it's still alpha-level |
| 16:35.32 | elg | does what I need, anyway, but there are gaps that might bug some people |
| 16:35.43 | elg | like rx power stats |
| 16:35.58 | mheath | elg, I was talking about OS X86 |
| 16:36.08 | elg | ah |
| 16:36.26 | mheath | linux support was OK |
| 16:37.49 | emcnabb | mheath: is it legal to put MacOS X on a non-Apple (x86) system? |
| 16:38.50 | mheath | If you own it, yes. |
| 16:40.15 | emcnabb | hum, I didn't think it was |
| 16:48.04 | nick125_lappy | it isn't IIRC |
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| 16:54.03 | RyanE | emcnabb: depends on what you mean by 'legal'. Certainly against the EULA, not necessarily against the law, other than where breaking the EULA is. |
| 16:56.40 | emcnabb | I just remember Apple being mad about people doing it, and that their EULA didn't allow for it |
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| 16:56.53 | emcnabb | and with the DMCA, anything is possible :-) |
| 16:57.39 | graphyx | if you are a lawyer. |
| 16:58.51 | macnewbold | technically though, it might be a nightmare to get OSX running on non-apple hardware, since they tried hard to make it require hardware components that don't exist in normal PCs... |
| 16:59.24 | macnewbold | unless you had an apple motherboard in your non-apple x86, it might be extremely hard, from what I understand |
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| 16:59.57 | emcnabb | more than anything, I'm just giving mheath a hard time :-) |
| 17:00.10 | graphyx | macnewbold: Unless people start making "mod chips" to alleiviate the differences... |
| 17:00.33 | graphyx | giving mheath a hrad time is one of the past times around here. |
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| 17:01.04 | macnewbold | exactly |
| 17:02.04 | macnewbold | scottj: we use google calendar here at the office, we've liked it quite a lot. some of the guys import it into their iCal on their OSX boxen too |
| 17:02.46 | findlay | but what does that have to do with Haydn's string quartets? |
| 17:03.23 | emcnabb | nothing! |
| 17:04.56 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: aren't you concerned about private company data being on google's servers? |
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| 17:10.20 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:14.12 | macnewbold | Uncle_Jesse: a) all my email goes through google too, or copies of it at least, and b) the data isn't public, and c) we trust google enough to know my schedule, and d) there's nothing extremely sensitive in our calendars and schedules |
| 17:16.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I still don't trust google for company data - they're getting too big |
| 17:19.33 | Uncle_Jesse | I guess I'd have to thouroughly review the user agreement to verify what control they have over my employees' data |
| 17:20.10 | Uncle_Jesse | but still, you have no control over lawsuits that may occur from employees, having to investigate misuse of network resources, etc. |
| 17:21.21 | Uncle_Jesse | depending on the user agreement, my guess is that Google technically owns all the data stored on its servers, not your company |
| 17:22.42 | redbeard1 | Uncle_Jesse: actually, if you've ever read google's user agreement, they specifically state that they do NOT own the information |
| 17:23.16 | Uncle_Jesse | redbeard1: that's what I was wondering |
| 17:23.27 | redbeard1 | to clarify: google does not claim ownership. sorry, i should have worded that better. |
| 17:23.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd still like to know the extent of the control google has over the data on their servers though |
| 17:23.50 | Uncle_Jesse | redbeard1: heh - yeah - a lawyer may beg to differ :-) |
| 17:23.54 | redbeard1 | google is all mighty. |
| 17:24.10 | Uncle_Jesse | yes - hence my skepticism on trusting corporate data on their servers |
| 17:24.28 | Uncle_Jesse | I would want a personal contract with them before I did anything like that |
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| 17:27.29 | macnewbold | unless you're a giant competitor to google, why would they go after one of thousands or millions of small companies? |
| 17:29.05 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: it's not whether they'll go after you - it's that you have no control over them |
| 17:29.26 | Uncle_Jesse | if they do something with any of your data on purpose or on accident, you stand no chance against them in court |
| 17:29.32 | Uncle_Jesse | most likely |
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| 17:47.30 | maquis | anybody know of any good pho restaurants in the provo area? |
| 17:48.42 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: I know several in SLC |
| 17:48.45 | Uncle_Jesse | does that help? |
| 17:48.54 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: unfortunatly not... |
| 17:49.21 | maquis | PC? |
| 17:50.30 | flyboy^ | A pho resturant? |
| 17:50.50 | maquis | yes |
| 17:50.57 | flyboy^ | What is a pho? |
| 17:50.57 | levi | maquis: That's what you get for living in the wrong valley. |
| 17:51.04 | levi | flyboy^: Vietnamese noodle soup |
| 17:51.09 | maquis | levi: obviously... |
| 17:51.15 | maquis | or in the wrong state |
| 17:51.26 | levi | Cafe Trang has pretty decent pho. |
| 17:51.29 | flyboy^ | Why not just live in Vietname if you want it so bad? |
| 17:51.51 | maquis | washington has good pho |
| 17:52.05 | levi | I know. |
| 17:52.17 | flyboy^ | Is pho pronounced "Foe" or "Foo"? |
| 17:53.27 | levi | I don't think it's either. |
| 17:53.38 | levi | I can't pronounce it correctly anyway, though. |
| 17:53.43 | flyboy^ | "Poo" |
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| 17:53.52 | flyboy^ | 'PFooooo'? |
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| 17:54.06 | flyboy^ | Or - Peeeyayaahahaoooooaooa? |
| 17:54.14 | hansel | ~rlart |
| 17:54.59 | maquis | wikipedia's little sound file sounds most like "fa" |
| 17:55.08 | maquis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pho |
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| 17:55.40 | elg | ~rlart |
| 17:56.21 | flyboy^ | maquis: This place any good? http://utah.citysearch.com/profile/10415573/provo_ut/saigon_cafe.html |
| 17:57.28 | maquis | flyboy^: never been there... but sounds interesting |
| 17:58.05 | levi | 278 W. Center Street is supposed to be Cafe Tanh |
| 17:58.14 | levi | Er, Cafe Thanh |
| 17:58.22 | levi | (in Provo) |
| 17:58.45 | elg | i've seen a sign saying saigon, never thanh |
| 17:58.57 | elg | but I didn't look closely |
| 17:59.06 | elg | some vietnamese place right? |
| 17:59.20 | levi | Yeah. |
| 17:59.31 | elg | thoguht it was on 2nd or 3rd south though |
| 17:59.33 | elg | not on center |
| 17:59.38 | mheath | http://www.theorator.com/bills109/hr4752.html |
| 17:59.59 | mheath | some kid wrote a letter to the standard examiner complaining about that act |
| 18:00.03 | mheath | Like it would ever get passed. |
| 18:00.40 | elg | probably wouldn't get passed |
| 18:00.45 | elg | a lot of countries do it |
| 18:00.49 | mheath | It won't. |
| 18:01.02 | mheath | A similar bill was attempted a few years ago |
| 18:01.27 | mheath | Only one person voted Yes. Not even the person who sponsered it voted Yes, as it was a political show....he didn't really support it |
| 18:01.57 | levi | http://www.vietnamese-restaurants.com/rest/city/Provo.html |
| 18:02.35 | elg | there you have it, two places. is thanh new? |
| 18:03.25 | scottj | anyone know a way to take screenshots in windows and have the mouse cursor show up? |
| 18:04.37 | levi | elg: Beats me. I just googled. |
| 18:04.55 | elg | scottj: photoshop? |
| 18:05.08 | elg | er, gimp |
| 18:05.40 | maquis | levi: thanks |
| 18:06.24 | mheath | That bill I mentioned kinda sneaks something in too |
| 18:06.31 | mheath | It obligates all men and women for the two year service |
| 18:06.46 | mheath | But it also sticks the women in the Selective Service Act too |
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| 18:07.00 | mheath | which could potentially obligate them for much longer service, too, if we ever had a draft. |
| 18:07.07 | levi | Thanh might not be there anymore. The website for it is gone, and archive.org's only entry for it is in 2001. |
| 18:07.35 | levi | You can try calling 373-8373 to see if it's there. |
| 18:07.51 | mheath | I'm just trying to think how they could process every citzen 18-42 at our current MEPS, if that bill was passed. |
| 18:08.27 | mheath | 100 people / day leads to a very slow process, and thats just for people who are talking to recruiters voluntarily |
| 18:08.48 | elg | necessity is the mother of invention |
| 18:09.24 | mheath | elg, you're talking about having to process thousands of people a day in the state of Utah alone, though, when this bill is first introduced |
| 18:09.35 | mheath | *when this bill is first passed, if it is |
| 18:09.46 | mheath | The current MEPS lunchroom has four tables with four seats each. |
| 18:09.49 | elg | does the bill state all those people have to start at once? |
| 18:10.12 | mheath | elg, No, but it necessitates processing of all people to determine if they are 'qualified for service' |
| 18:10.37 | mheath | Not to mention.....currently, applicants who don't live in SLC proper who go to MEPS are put up in a hotel for the night. |
| 18:11.21 | elg | i'm sure there's lots of good reasons a bill like that won't pass, but the logistics probably isn't one |
| 18:11.38 | mheath | They spend almost $4,000,000 in annual operating expenses for the current MEPS |
| 18:11.39 | elg | it'd be a mess I'm sure |
| 18:11.44 | findlay | what is this bill mheath is talking about? |
| 18:11.52 | mheath | and thats to process a fraction of a percent of the the people they'd have to process |
| 18:12.08 | mheath | findlay, a two year obligatory service for all people 18-42 |
| 18:12.17 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:12.24 | mheath | http://www.theorator.com/bills109/hr4752.html |
| 18:12.35 | findlay | Bush just wants to conquer the world and declare himself dictator |
| 18:13.24 | mheath | to process that many applicants, you're talking about a faciliy ten times the size of the one they have... |
| 18:13.28 | mheath | hundreds more personel |
| 18:13.37 | mheath | dozens more doctors |
| 18:13.56 | mheath | and this is just one MEPS - there are dozens. |
| 18:14.04 | elg | findlay: it's a bill proposed in the house it looks like |
| 18:14.06 | findlay | but mheath just seems stuck on the idea of this "processing" |
| 18:14.09 | flyboy^ | I would fully support that bill, if both Canada and Mexico were launching rockets into the US every day. |
| 18:14.56 | mheath | findlay, my point is, if this bill was to be passed.....We would be spending billions of dollars to build up our entrace processing infrastructure....... |
| 18:15.01 | elg | flyboy^: unless the rockets were loaded with tacos and maple syrup |
| 18:15.04 | flyboy^ | Isreal is the best example of that, with Findland being another one (yes, torvalds was in the Finnish army). |
| 18:15.18 | mheath | Billions more to build up our basic training sites, if we wanted to actually use any of these new people. |
| 18:15.59 | flyboy^ | In findland you serve in the military - but all your school - including college - is covered. |
| 18:16.11 | findlay | the US is all about not forcing people to do things and we have the nicest country in the world |
| 18:16.12 | flyboy^ | As a result there are lots of PhD.s in Findland. |
| 18:16.23 | mheath | This bill also removes deferments for college students |
| 18:16.29 | mheath | Only protected until age 20 |
| 18:16.33 | findlay | and the Finnish pay 90% of their income in taxes |
| 18:16.53 | findlay | no thanks |
| 18:17.03 | elg | hey, the fins have fjords |
| 18:17.09 | elg | never underestimate the power of fjords |
| 18:17.20 | mheath | Anyway, I personally feel that the general public in our military would corrupt it. Ruin it. |
| 18:17.37 | mheath | The military is it's own world, it's own culture. Stick every citizen in there, and you destory it. |
| 18:17.52 | findlay | yeah, leave the military to mheath |
| 18:18.20 | mheath | findlay, no. Go ask a Marine what he'd think about every citizen being potentially stuck into _his_ Corps. He what he says. |
| 18:18.29 | mheath | *see what he says |
| 18:18.53 | findlay | mheath: what are you talking about? |
| 18:19.14 | mheath | findlay, most military people don't want the general population stuck into the military. |
| 18:19.23 | findlay | mheath: and I agree |
| 18:19.24 | mheath | They wouldn't see that as beneficial. |
| 18:19.26 | elg | that's good, because we don't want to be stuck in the military either |
| 18:20.27 | findlay | I have an intrinsic respect for people who choose the military, but don't force me to do it. I'll join only if I choose or there is a war |
| 18:21.03 | mheath | Most Marines especially feel that the military is losing a lot of its character |
| 18:21.22 | mheath | Particularly with what the army is doing, almost bribing people in with incentives. |
| 18:22.22 | mheath | You can bet that the Commandant would rather curl up and die that allow people to be stuck into his Corps with this 2 year obligatory service bill. |
| 18:22.33 | elg | yeah, just look at what's happening in the OSS community. the mysticism and spirit of elitism is just stripping away. thanks ubuntu |
| 18:23.42 | findlay | elg: really? I was inclined to blame LFS myself |
| 18:24.22 | findlay | LFS makes it so easy for the average person to build their own custom, fragile Linux distro |
| 18:26.47 | elg | ~lart harleypig |
| 18:28.03 | emcnabb | I say we send elg to the front lines |
| 18:29.50 | findlay | and he and mheath can debate java vs ruby or something |
| 18:30.26 | findlay | ~lart stringy spegetthi code |
| 18:33.19 | findlay | ~lart strange Italian spellings |
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| 18:37.59 | findlay | ~nuke spam |
| 18:38.01 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at spam ... B☢☢M! |
| 18:40.50 | mheath | Uh...wow. |
| 18:41.12 | mheath | Hmm |
| 18:41.17 | maquis | ?? |
| 18:41.40 | mheath | I scored really, really high on the ASVAB, and then theres some other aspects.... |
| 18:41.42 | findlay | ~conflict mheath |
| 18:42.00 | findlay | heh ibot |
| 18:42.13 | mheath | But apparently, they rather _selected_ me to do ROTC for the USMC, maybe. |
| 18:42.16 | mheath | Be an officer. |
| 18:42.24 | mheath | =\ |
| 18:42.32 | maquis | mheath: what's wrong with that? |
| 18:42.46 | findlay | Package 'mheath ' does not exist. |
| 18:42.48 | findlay | ): |
| 18:42.59 | mheath | maquis, its a different...world. A whole different thing, a different existance. |
| 18:43.09 | mheath | I thought about going officer, but.... |
| 18:43.28 | mheath | I was so certain I was going enlisted. Infantry, too. |
| 18:43.59 | mheath | This is good news, but I feel so conflicted. |
| 18:44.01 | findlay | ~conflict(mheath,'a different existence'); |
| 18:44.58 | maquis | mheath: ah... ok... |
| 18:45.18 | mrpull_ | mheath: don't officers get paid more and have more leadership opportunities? |
| 18:45.20 | emcnabb | mheath: just hop on a harley, and ride off into the sunset. Enjoy life, camping out under the stars every night, eating smores and playing your harmonica. That will solve everything. |
| 18:47.10 | findlay | emcnabb: wow, you should be a motivational speaker. |
| 18:47.30 | emcnabb | ~slay findlay |
| 18:47.32 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, findlay!" apt lops off findlay's head. |
| 18:47.40 | findlay | apt? |
| 18:47.41 | emcnabb | how's that for motivation? |
| 18:47.55 | findlay | ~lightsaber emcnabb |
| 18:48.03 | maquis | findlay: apt == ibot == jbot == purl |
| 18:50.27 | findlay | not as romantic -- walking mechanically into the sunset, but you do what you can with what you've got |
| 18:55.05 | mheath | mrpull_, paid more, yes..... |
| 18:55.17 | mheath | Leadership.....in the USMC......for the most part, no |
| 18:55.32 | mheath | The Non-Commissioned Officers (Upper Enlisted) run most things |
| 18:55.36 | mheath | when it really comes down to it |
| 18:55.51 | mheath | My biggest concern, to be honest, is that I just got done with highschool |
| 18:55.56 | mheath | And I really got tired of it near the end. |
| 18:56.12 | mheath | I'm not sure I'm ready to commit myself to 4 years of school right now |
| 18:56.36 | mheath | Especially with the pressure of a contract with the US Military......you know, most people, if they get tired of college, can take a break for a semester...I don't have that option. |
| 18:57.36 | mheath | But, I was always considering being an officer |
| 18:57.47 | mheath | And I'm worried that if I don't accept this opportunity, another one may not come up readily. |
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| 18:58.47 | mheath | All in all, I feel very conflicted |
| 18:58.53 | mheath | and this is not something I was expecting |
| 18:59.13 | ^Migs^ | outsource the problem |
| 18:59.27 | mheath | I finally had it all sorted out. It seemed simple: I just enlisted in the Marine Corp. I was going to be in the Infantry. I was going to be just another Marine - the best fighitng force in the world. I was leaving in 8.5 weeks. |
| 18:59.30 | mheath | Now this happens. |
| 18:59.46 | ^Migs^ | what did I miss? |
| 19:00.30 | mheath | ^Migs^, I was selected for sponsorship into a ROTC program, apparently. |
| 19:00.31 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: don't make him repeat his story! |
| 19:00.37 | ^Migs^ | please repeat the story, mheath |
| 19:00.41 | ^Migs^ | I need to know |
| 19:00.42 | elg | if you think you'll get tired of school, think of what the alternative thing to get tired of is |
| 19:00.42 | elg | high school is dumb, just because you got tired of high school doesn't mean you'll hate all of your upper schooling |
| 19:01.38 | mheath | Second Lieutenant Michael Heath, United States Marine Corps. Hmmmm. |
| 19:01.38 | mheath | =P |
| 19:02.25 | findlay | ~story ^Migs^ |
| 19:02.31 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand what's wrong with having options |
| 19:02.42 | findlay | ~options |
| 19:02.49 | ^Migs^ | just do the ROTC program, then enlist in the Marines after |
| 19:03.04 | mheath | Heh. |
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| 19:07.57 | macnewbold | mheath: I'd recommend the officer thing over infantry... I know people on both sides of that line, and I think you're right about not passing up the opportunity |
| 19:08.04 | macnewbold | you're bright, you'll do fine in the schooling stuff I bet |
| 19:08.34 | macnewbold | college isn't [usually] as bad as high school in terms of being lame and stuff, and what elg said and stuff |
| 19:09.37 | mheath | A big problem, though, is my major. |
| 19:09.48 | Uncle_Jesse | especially if someone is paying your way through college |
| 19:09.51 | mheath | See, I want a degree in somethign computer related. For _after_ my time in the USMC. |
| 19:10.12 | mheath | But if I get a computer major, they'll probably stick me in a computer job, which I don't want. |
| 19:10.25 | emcnabb | I hated high school, but college was much better |
| 19:10.27 | mheath | Not in the USMC. |
| 19:10.58 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: you could be SF and hack into computers in foreign countries :-) |
| 19:11.15 | mheath | Heh, I don't want that. |
| 19:11.25 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse, remember, I signed up as an enlisted marine in the _infantry_ |
| 19:11.31 | mheath | I was going to be a front line fighter |
| 19:11.32 | findlay | then use Occam's razor to cut yourself in half and lead a double existence |
| 19:11.33 | RyanE | I think most technical people hate high school. 20 year reunion was interesting, though. The jocks ruled High School, but the nerds win the game. |
| 19:11.46 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: I agree with everyone else - go for the officer positions |
| 19:12.06 | Uncle_Jesse | unless you'll be in the AF |
| 19:12.17 | harleypig | I should have waited: http://www.alienware.co.uk/product_detail_pages/Aurora_mALX/aurora-m_overview.aspx?SysCode=PC-EU-LT-AUR-M-ALX&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT |
| 19:12.38 | maquis | mheath: why in the world do you want to be a front-line fighter? |
| 19:12.46 | mheath | harleypig! |
| 19:12.56 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: what college is the ROTC offer for? |
| 19:12.59 | mheath | harleypig, what do you think? =\ |
| 19:12.59 | ^Migs^ | yeah, why not be a web developer or something? |
| 19:13.19 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse, I'm not sure. I don't know any details. My recruiter talked to me on the phone for like 5 minutes, we're going to talk more lately. |
| 19:13.35 | mheath | maquis, I could try explaining myself to you, but I'd fail :) |
| 19:13.35 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd think you'd rather be SF than front-line, as long as you're in the guts of it all |
| 19:13.50 | ^Migs^ | I don't think you've explained this to anyone, mheath |
| 19:13.50 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: if it's BYU for any reason my Grandpa started that program |
| 19:14.10 | ^Migs^ | we all know you're gun-ho about the Marines, but you've yet to elaborate |
| 19:14.14 | findlay | BYU mheath |
| 19:14.19 | findlay | ~BYU mheath |
| 19:14.25 | mheath | ~lart BYU |
| 19:14.44 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: BYU has an excellent ROTC, but I'm biased |
| 19:14.54 | mheath | They don't have a NROTC. |
| 19:14.56 | Uncle_Jesse | It was started by Jesse Stay, after all |
| 19:15.05 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - didn't realize it |
| 19:15.10 | maquis | i thought byu only had air force and army (that's what my bf said, at least) |
| 19:16.40 | Uncle_Jesse | that's what my Grandpa was in, so I guess that's possible |
| 19:16.40 | Uncle_Jesse | My dad attended that program for a short period |
| 19:16.40 | Uncle_Jesse | before he had to be committed to enlistment |
| 19:16.40 | graphyx | maquis: You've got a bf now? |
| 19:16.40 | findlay | ~bf |
| 19:16.43 | ibot | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
| 19:16.57 | maquis | graphyx: yup |
| 19:17.09 | findlay | that's what I need. some woody boot floopies |
| 19:17.59 | flyboy^ | I liked my potato boot floppies personally. |
| 19:18.23 | ^Migs^ | is he a hottie? |
| 19:19.26 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: you gonna marry him? |
| 19:19.47 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: is he a good kisser? |
| 19:19.58 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: what color are his eyes? |
| 19:20.13 | flyboy^ | maquis: I think Uncle_Jesse is falling in love with your boyfriend. |
| 19:20.22 | emcnabb | they make out every night |
| 19:20.25 | Uncle_Jesse | flyboy^: shhh - don't tell maquis |
| 19:20.37 | findlay | or ibot for that matter |
| 19:20.44 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: you should make him come into IRC some time so we can all interview him |
| 19:20.50 | macnewbold | seriously |
| 19:20.57 | Uncle_Jesse | kinda like "meet the parents", but "meet the geeks" |
| 19:21.09 | Uncle_Jesse | question is, which would be scarier |
| 19:21.11 | emcnabb | he's a geek, right? |
| 19:21.26 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah, and does he use emacs or vim? |
| 19:21.31 | Uncle_Jesse | linux or windows? |
| 19:21.38 | RyanE | thus the long pause... He's a *jock!* |
| 19:21.55 | findlay | python or perl |
| 19:22.00 | Uncle_Jesse | we can take him |
| 19:22.09 | emcnabb | how many states does he pay child support in? |
| 19:22.19 | Uncle_Jesse | now you can see why my sisters never mention boys around me |
| 19:22.20 | emcnabb | does he have more than 8 tatooes? |
| 19:22.24 | flyboy^ | Does he have all his own teeth? |
| 19:22.35 | RyanE | multiple piercings? |
| 19:22.37 | graphyx | or does he like to keep teeth from others? |
| 19:22.40 | flyboy^ | Underage? |
| 19:22.45 | RyanE | overage? |
| 19:22.48 | graphyx | Like some kind of twisted tooth fairy? |
| 19:22.54 | emcnabb | is he a crack cocaine dealer? |
| 19:23.09 | flyboy^ | She is probably making out with him right now. |
| 19:23.10 | emcnabb | maquis: where did you go? |
| 19:23.33 | findlay | that's it |
| 19:23.37 | RyanE | come back, and we shall taunt you again! |
| 19:23.41 | findlay | it's all over now |
| 19:24.07 | emcnabb | she bravely ran away, bravely ran away away! |
| 19:24.31 | harleypig | maquis: hand to hand combat is *SOOOO* much fun |
| 19:24.34 | emcnabb | when danger reared it's ugly head, she bravely turned her tail and fled... |
| 19:24.42 | RyanE | when danger reared it's ugly head, she bravely turned her tai... emcnabb beat me. |
| 19:24.57 | graphyx | isn't that how they get a boyfriend? find someone who is interested and start running? |
| 19:25.02 | RyanE | I hate it when that happens. 80% done typing and all. |
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| 19:25.43 | graphyx | RyanE: you will have to be faster at typing the emcnabb |
| 19:25.50 | graphyx | s/the/then/ |
| 19:26.20 | RyanE | s/then/than/ |
| 19:26.39 | RyanE | cold hands = slower typing. |
| 19:26.40 | graphyx | yes |
| 19:26.44 | graphyx | indeed. |
| 19:26.52 | graphyx | I have a burnt hand so I have an excuse myself. |
| 19:26.57 | RyanE | dang AC makes me an ice cube in the summer. |
| 19:27.07 | graphyx | managed to get a burn playing with fireworks. |
| 19:27.19 | RyanE | no fun if you still have eyebrows. :) |
| 19:27.39 | Uncle_Jesse | We should challenge him to a death match in Halo |
| 19:27.50 | graphyx | I didn't lose any eyebrows... |
| 19:28.04 | graphyx | Just about 3 sq inches of skin. |
| 19:28.55 | Uncle_Jesse | graphyx: you're supposed to let go of the fireworks when you light them |
| 19:29.44 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: his eyes are green/brown (they are different based on lighting and such) |
| 19:29.59 | maquis | i've been working on the IRC thing.. |
| 19:30.01 | graphyx | Uncle_Jesse: I did let go. The sparkler pack burnt faster than my reflexes. |
| 19:30.11 | maquis | he's a geek... we met at uug |
| 19:30.15 | Uncle_Jesse | graphyx: you're only supposed to light one sparkler at a time |
| 19:30.20 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: vim or emacs? |
| 19:30.21 | graphyx | Uncle_Jesse: Yes. |
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| 19:30.39 | graphyx | Uncle_Jesse: That was the lesson burnt into my mind. |
| 19:30.41 | graphyx | and hand. |
| 19:30.56 | Uncle_Jesse | heh - no arguing that one then I take it :-) |
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| 19:31.37 | graphyx | My kids said that they won't play with fireworks when they get older. |
| 19:31.48 | graphyx | I'll hold them to it. |
| 19:32.11 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: both... he's a bit better at emacs, but he does well in vim (he's been learning it since we started dating) |
| 19:32.31 | Uncle_Jesse | which does he prefer though? |
| 19:32.38 | graphyx | it's crucial. |
| 19:32.47 | RyanE | Learning to love vi... the sweet, sweet fruits of geek love. |
| 19:33.00 | graphyx | That has to be decided before anything serious happens. |
| 19:33.06 | graphyx | you do realize that,right? |
| 19:33.08 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: he prefers different features of each... he's having trouble with the modal nature of vim, but he finds the features a lot better |
| 19:33.48 | JoshH_ | ok, that's not geeky, that's nerdy |
| 19:34.09 | JoshH_ | tell him to just use vim and be done with it, and not to worry about it's modal nature |
| 19:34.30 | maquis | JoshH_: yeah... just have to get him to get used to entering insert mode before typing :) |
| 19:35.10 | JoshH_ | this is why people should start out with vim and never even learn emacs at all |
| 19:35.35 | Uncle_Jesse | maquis: I like him a lot so far - can I date him? |
| 19:35.42 | maquis | Uncle_Jesse: nope |
| 19:36.04 | levi | Mmmm, emacs. |
| 19:36.21 | maquis | ~emacs levi |
| 19:38.53 | levi | Where's findlay? He must see this: http://gdh.livejournal.com/204629.html#cutid1 |
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| 19:40.44 | macnewbold | emacs has practically all the good features from vim anyway, without the weird "modal nature" |
| 19:40.46 | findlay | levi: what about it? |
| 19:41.04 | levi | findlay: The musical score. |
| 19:42.49 | bonez41 | how does one type a special character...such as a tilde, or umlaut....in VIM for example? |
| 19:43.38 | graphyx | That is kinda funny. |
| 19:43.51 | graphyx | Just don't let anyone think it is a real piece. |
| 19:45.46 | levi | Well, obviously it isn't. |
| 19:46.54 | levi | "APPLY BROWN LIQUID NOW! This is actually unplayable" |
| 19:47.06 | maquis | looks like PDQ Bach :) |
| 19:47.16 | maquis | only you can actually play pdq bach |
| 19:47.41 | graphyx | perhaps this is one of his unpublished works? |
| 19:48.13 | levi | "light explosive now... and... now." |
| 19:48.49 | maquis | my friends had some pdq bach sheet music where the bars on the staff snapped and there was a pile of notes on the line below... |
| 19:49.25 | graphyx | That's amuzing. |
| 19:50.06 | maquis | "with much passionfruit" |
| 19:50.53 | levi | "gradually become agitated" |
| 19:51.11 | levi | "If there is a 3rd Clarinet, some violins may go" |
| 19:51.24 | maquis | "sand bow to taste" |
| 19:51.30 | maquis | "pluck with dignity" |
| 19:51.32 | levi | "remove cattle from stage" |
| 19:51.34 | graphyx | 1:21 |
| 19:52.07 | graphyx | me too. |
| 19:52.12 | levi | "With pesto" |
| 19:52.18 | graphyx | I like his short tempered clavier cd |
| 19:52.50 | levi | "Glissando using tip of nose" |
| 19:53.02 | levi | "Shock therapy may be ncessary to finish" |
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| 19:54.08 | sjansen | ~invoke goozbach |
| 19:54.33 | Uncle_Jesse | ~provoke sjansen |
| 19:54.35 | herlo | ~seen goozbach |
| 19:54.45 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah, last said: 'now to lay on the dirty floor and try to sleep for an hour.'. |
| 19:54.45 | harleypig | Run that sucker through a synth and see what happens ... |
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| 19:55.07 | levi | So, I wrote this email to my research project advisor saying I'd hit a big brick wall with the accelerometer project he had me doing. |
| 19:55.37 | levi | I was under the impression that, since he'd had students write code to read from the accelerometer before, there might be some chance of it actually working. |
| 19:55.49 | sjansen | brick wall, accelerometer, get it? get it? |
| 19:56.24 | levi | Apparently I'm farther along than any other student has got with it, so my research showing that it's just not going to work is most likely correct. |
| 19:56.30 | maquis | -lart Peregrine |
| 19:56.56 | Peregrine | Ha! Apparently, my ~lart Shield is working. :) |
| 19:57.03 | maquis | ~lat Peregrine |
| 19:57.07 | maquis | ~lart Peregrine |
| 19:57.09 | maquis | ha |
| 19:57.11 | maquis | got through |
| 19:57.12 | Peregrine | Doh! |
| 19:57.16 | levi | Anyway, at least I know the rest of the project is possible, and I can write a good paper about why navigating with just the accelerometer is impossible. |
| 19:57.27 | graphyx | -lart Peregrine |
| 19:57.40 | Peregrine | Hehe, what's up with this? |
| 19:57.40 | graphyx | ~revive brac |
| 19:57.51 | Peregrine | ~slap maquis |
| 19:57.52 | ibot | ACTION slaps maquis, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:57.54 | graphyx | ~envoke brac |
| 19:57.58 | graphyx | ~brac |
| 19:57.59 | ibot | methinks brac is the enemy |
| 19:58.06 | graphyx | ~get brac |
| 19:58.13 | graphyx | ~recall brac |
| 19:58.17 | maquis | Peregrine: sup? |
| 19:58.26 | Uncle_Jesse | ~beam brac |
| 19:58.27 | graphyx | can't ibot get brac back online? |
| 19:58.29 | sjansen | maquis: A drop ceiling. |
| 19:58.40 | Peregrine | Nothing much. Been sick for like 11 days now :( . |
| 19:59.17 | maquis | ick |
| 20:01.27 | brac | your wish is my command |
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| 20:01.57 | brac | elg is an idiot |
| 20:02.14 | brac | look at me, I'm brac! |
| 20:02.23 | brac | Uncle_Jesse is an imposter |
| 20:02.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm big Uncle_Jesse |
| 20:02.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I run "websites" |
| 20:02.54 | brac | ~lart ibot |
| 20:03.01 | brac | ~war ibot |
| 20:03.36 | Uncle_Jesse | ~rlart |
| 20:03.55 | brac | hahahahaha! |
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| 20:04.15 | brac | hahahaha! you can't be Uncle_Jesse |
| 20:04.28 | graphyx | One must fall!!! |
| 20:05.42 | jlp_work | levi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation#Accelerometer-only_systems |
| 20:05.50 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart Uncle_Je1se |
| 20:06.16 | Uncle_Jesse | may the real Uncle_Jesse please stand up... |
| 20:06.27 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 20:06.38 | *** kick/#utah [Uncle_Jesse!n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net] by elg (elg) |
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| 20:07.12 | Uncle_Jesse | ...please stand up...please stand up... |
| 20:07.33 | graphyx | -lart Uncle_Jesse |
| 20:07.47 | graphyx | -say ~rlart |
| 20:08.02 | graphyx | ~say -lart ibot |
| 20:08.04 | ibot | -lart ibot |
| 20:08.08 | Uncle_Jesse | -hug brac |
| 20:08.17 | graphyx | That's how you get them to fight |
| 20:08.33 | Uncle_Jesse | ~hug brac |
| 20:08.34 | ibot | ACTION hugs brac |
| 20:08.50 | Uncle_Jesse | at least ibot knows how to hug |
| 20:21.28 | levi | jlp_work: Yes, but I have only a single accelerometer. |
| 20:22.17 | levi | jlp_work: And it is not very accurate at all. |
| 20:22.19 | jlp_work | levi: then you're right, you can not navigate reliably with a single accelerometer (unless you constrain your path, for example, if you're on train tracks with no switches) |
| 20:22.42 | jlp_work | (but I wouldn't really call that "navigating" :-) |
| 20:23.06 | elg | jlp_work: where's your imagination? |
| 20:23.19 | jlp_work | elg: I left it in my other pants |
| 20:23.20 | levi | jlp_work: Well, it's not really a single accelerometer, it's got 3 axes so I can tell x, y, and z acceleration. But it's horribly inaccurate. |
| 20:23.54 | elg | so you should be able to navigate, horribly inaccurately |
| 20:24.03 | Peregrine | The accuracy level will be limited to the ability of your accelerometers to deal with changes in inertia, right? |
| 20:24.09 | graphyx | Just use the helium baloon in a closed car accelerometer. |
| 20:24.38 | levi | elg: No, not really. Double integration of inaccurate numbers leads to completely worthless data. |
| 20:24.54 | elg | pity |
| 20:24.55 | jlp_work | elg: you really need four accelerometers to have any hope of navigating |
| 20:25.15 | Peregrine | I know people have build what they call "Inertial Navigation Systems" for military applications, including fighter jets and ICBM guidance systems and even NASA uses them on every vehicle they launch. |
| 20:25.57 | jlp_work | Peregrine: such systems usually use some type of gyroscope to determine attitude as well as accelerometers |
| 20:26.02 | levi | Peregrine: Yes, inertial navigation systems are well-understood. |
| 20:26.11 | levi | Peregrine: They involve more than a 3-axis accelerometer, though. |
| 20:26.57 | levi | My analog to digital converter has a sample rate of 200 Hz, too, which is a bit shy of the 2KHz the Wikipedia article recommends for a strapdown system. |
| 20:27.07 | elg | :) |
| 20:27.31 | jlp_work | levi: what's an order of magnitude between friends? |
| 20:28.16 | Peregrine | Well, I think I understand all the basic principles, but I know onthing of the engineering details. |
| 20:28.18 | levi | jlp_work: The difference between usable data and junk! |
| 20:28.25 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 20:28.56 | Peregrine | Yeah, I know the ICBM grade INS units use laser Gyroscopes to achieve the necessary accuracy. |
| 20:29.13 | Peregrine | Well, I should s/I know/I have read that/ |
| 20:30.33 | levi | jlp_work: The accelerometer picks up vibrations that are at a higher frequency than the sample rate can accurately account for, which causes rapid changes in acceleration to be misrepresented. |
| 20:31.41 | levi | And when you lose just one significant bit of acceleration data, all subsequent velocity and position calculations become increasingly erroneous. |
| 20:32.20 | jlp_work | levi: yes, the low sample rate is a killer, I was trying to be humorous. obviously, I failed |
| 20:32.54 | levi | jlp_work: Oh, I got that joke, I've just been too frustrated by this project to laugh. Sorry. :) |
| 20:33.01 | harleypig | This aol news, admittedly, but .... wow: http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/piece-of-mans-skull-falls-off-draws/20060705075909990011?ncid=NWS00010000000001 |
| 20:33.07 | jlp_work | levi: no problem... I've had days like that |
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| 20:39.49 | levi | harleypig: Nasty. |
| 20:43.57 | levi | What I need to do is find out what kind of sample rate I'd need to get useful information from this thing. |
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| 20:52.22 | elg | this day is going from bad to worse |
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| 20:54.35 | levi | Well, actually, perhaps an analog low-pass filter might be able to eliminate vibration readings from the signal. |
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| 21:08.18 | elg | ~rlart |
| 21:10.03 | levi | Heh, Aaron Swartz can't handle Bach. |
| 21:10.33 | levi | And, as a result, thinks 'classical music' is inferior to contemporary music. |
| 21:12.31 | levi | elg: BTW, you might find this useful for your CS theory qualifying exam: http://www.cs.utah.edu/plt/publications/pllc.pdf |
| 21:16.27 | elg | who's aaron swartz? |
| 21:16.34 | Uncle_Jesse | use the swartz luke |
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| 21:19.35 | levi | elg: A teenager who's been somewhat influential in the web programming sphere. |
| 21:21.42 | levi | Obviously a pretty smart kid, but a bit full of himself. |
| 21:21.50 | elg | what did he do? |
| 21:22.07 | RyanE | saying a teenager is full of himself is a bit redundant, levi. |
| 21:22.18 | elg | to be dubbed influential |
| 21:22.24 | levi | He lists his accomplishments in great detail here: http://www.aaronsw.com/ |
| 21:22.56 | macnewbold | is he still a teenager? |
| 21:23.15 | levi | He co-authored RSS 1.0, was on W3C's RDF core working group, helped create Markdown, is a programmer for reddit, etc. |
| 21:23.16 | macnewbold | I'd like to know who lets him influence them much |
| 21:23.25 | levi | He's 19, so yes. |
| 21:23.36 | macnewbold | who let him help with RSS/RDF? |
| 21:24.38 | macnewbold | seems a little odd to let a kid with little or no real education or real world experience influence stuff too much |
| 21:26.56 | sjansen | How so? If he's got good ideas, what does his age matter? |
| 21:27.16 | sjansen | How does youth == "little or no real education or real world experience"? |
| 21:28.07 | sjansen | I had a friend that started programming at about 6 and started his first business at about 14. When I met him 4 years later, he had plenty of real experience. |
| 21:28.23 | maquis | yipes |
| 21:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | So, I just had the Comcast techs come out to look at my connection. |
| 21:29.57 | ScytheBlade1 | 18% packet loss with ping times ranging from 8ms to 1000ms to the gateway. |
| 21:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone want to guess what their solution was? |
| 21:30.18 | redbeard1 | ScytheBlade1: reboot? |
| 21:30.32 | ScytheBlade1 | redbeard1, nope, but keep thinking kinda like that |
| 21:31.08 | redbeard1 | ScytheBlade1: let's see... check power cables, reinstall drivers, install a sucky os like winders... |
| 21:31.12 | redbeard1 | one of those? |
| 21:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | redbeard1, nope |
| 21:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | They just replaced the modem. |
| 21:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Said "good luck" and left. |
| 21:31.31 | redbeard1 | nice |
| 21:31.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Never mind that the entire neighborhood has been having similar issues. |
| 21:31.49 | macnewbold | sjansen: in general, youth does equal "little or no real education or real world experience"... it was a generalization. Your friend is obviously an exception in some regards to that, and perhaps AaronSw is too. I was just saying I would find it odd if he was such a youth yet somehow was involved in the things he claimed |
| 21:32.19 | macnewbold | ScytheBlade1: did that fix it? |
| 21:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | macnewbold, the issue occurs randomly. Fine for hours, then it dies completly for two to fourty minutes |
| 21:32.46 | levi | macnewbold: What, are you calling him a liar for claiming to be involved in all that? |
| 21:32.48 | macnewbold | maybe that's the most cost effective way (since time costs money) to "solve" the problem... |
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| 21:32.54 | macnewbold | levi: not necessarily |
| 21:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | macnewbold, we'll see what this ping that I'll run overnight tells me |
| 21:33.09 | macnewbold | some teenagers who are full of themselves try to aggrandize a bit |
| 21:33.45 | macnewbold | I'm experienced to know that "co-author" for example can mean a whole lot of things, some of which you may not expect |
| 21:34.39 | macnewbold | a "co-author" on a committee of 20+ people is very different from a "co-author" on a two-person team where they're a major contributor |
| 21:34.44 | RyanE | I don't doubt he could be involved in all that, teenagers do tend to have a lot of time... but expertise in one area (programming) definitely doesn't mean any expertise in anything else (like classical music) |
| 21:34.53 | macnewbold | very true |
| 21:35.07 | RyanE | and teenagers' opinions on most things are broadcast loud and far, and are best ignored. |
| 21:35.19 | macnewbold | generally, that's not a bad idea :) |
| 21:35.28 | ScytheBlade1 | RyanE, thanks for the vote of confidence in me and my opinions ;) |
| 21:35.46 | RyanE | hey, some of them could be valid... stranger things have happened. |
| 21:36.27 | macnewbold | ScytheBlade1: I don't think he's saying that all teenager's ideas, or that all teenagers, should be ignored, but judging by the variety of teenagers you know, do you see some reason in what he's saying? |
| 21:36.35 | RyanE | but I'm just saying people shouldn't get that excited or even surprised when a teenager spouts off about anything in particular. |
| 21:36.47 | ScytheBlade1 | macnewbold, note the ";)". Place emphasis on that ;) |
| 21:37.28 | sjansen | s/teenager/person/ |
| 21:37.47 | sjansen | Most people don't stop when they reach adulthood, they just switch topics. |
| 21:37.48 | RyanE | I'm just trying to keep telling myself to ignore teenagers' comments daily, since I've got a few kids rapidly approaching teenagerness. |
| 21:37.51 | RyanE | hehe |
| 21:38.01 | RyanE | and some of us learn to keep our mouths shut *some* of the time. |
| 21:44.27 | levi | Anyway, I didn't say he was hugely influential or anything. He's been somewhat influential. |
| 21:48.21 | macnewbold | what great insights does he have, levi? (let me know later if you're not that far into it yet :) ) |
| 21:48.45 | macnewbold | are you in grad school, by chance, levi? |
| 21:48.56 | macnewbold | if so, what program and what school? |
| 21:49.13 | levi | macnewbold: It's about erlang, and how the language and libraries help make reliable distributed systems. |
| 21:49.23 | macnewbold | ah |
| 21:49.47 | levi | No, I'm still an undergrad at UVSC thanks to a rather lengthy hiatus from higher education. |
| 21:50.15 | levi | I was previously an undergrad at BYU, but I didn't want to quit work to go back to school. |
| 21:50.24 | macnewbold | so to make them more reliable, you use libraries that are "bug free", and a language that makes it harder to write buggy code... hm |
| 21:50.41 | macnewbold | cool, well good luck. dissertations aren't always a lot of fun. |
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| 21:50.59 | macnewbold | s/aren't always a lot of/are nearly never any/ |
| 21:51.16 | levi | I dunno, I've enjoyed reading a few of them. |
| 21:51.27 | levi | This one is very well typeset, at least! |
| 21:51.32 | levi | I'm still at the beginning. |
| 21:51.38 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:51.42 | macnewbold | probably used LaTeX... |
| 21:52.07 | levi | If it was produced with LaTeX, it was with a very custom template. |
| 21:52.20 | elg | i'm sad I must have missed the whole bash the college kid who doesn't get bach discussion |
| 21:52.24 | macnewbold | most places, there is a draconian "thesis editor" that makes you jump through her hoops to get it published, and eliminates any possibilities of making it look "nice" in any way other than "bleak" |
| 21:52.45 | macnewbold | maybe he retypeset it afterward :) |
| 21:54.22 | levi | elg: There wasn't really much about the Bach aspect, mostly it was a bunch of questioning whether he was really influential at all, and if a teenager could be worthy of influence. |
| 21:55.29 | levi | macnewbold: The university through which it was published is in Sweden. Maybe things are different there. |
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| 21:57.07 | levi | elg: I just thought it was kind of ironic for such a pretentious kid to diss Bach like that and go on about how he had to dig his fingernails into his own flesh it was so bad. |
| 21:58.50 | elg | -urls |
| 21:58.51 | brac | [2006/07/06 15:22:26] <levi> http://www.aaronsw.com/ |
| 21:58.51 | brac | [2006/07/06 15:12:45] <levi> http://www.cs.utah.edu/plt/publications/pllc.pdf |
| 21:58.51 | brac | [2006/07/06 14:33:05] <harleypig> http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/piece-of-mans-skull-falls-off-draws/20060705075909990011?ncid=NWS00010000000001 |
| 21:58.51 | brac | [2006/07/03 13:08:15] <sjansen-mourning> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&sll=35.953831,-78.909645&sspn=0.056417,0.085402&q=red+hat&ie=UTF8&latlng=35953831,-78909645,4295571229669021747 |
| 21:59.37 | elg | well, if he's worthy of influence I don't think it matters that he's just a teenager |
| 21:59.48 | elg | that doesn't mean he has any sane ideas about classical music |
| 22:00.05 | elg | but neither would being a 40-year-old influential web programmer |
| 22:02.19 | elg | a pity he spends the whole post pontificating about why it might be that his lack of appreciation is genetic |
| 22:02.24 | {-} | elg: Whatcha talkin'bout, Willis? The ability to publish on the Web automatically confers expert status. |
| 22:02.41 | elg | instead of at least telling us what about wtc he found "excrutiating" |
| 22:03.15 | elg | i wouldn't expect a web programmer per se to appreciate the beauty of counterpoint or the precision of timing and rhythmic interest |
| 22:03.31 | elg | s/per se/necessarily/ |
| 22:05.13 | elg | and if he can't endure bach, he would certainly be driven to suicide by contemporary music |
| 22:05.34 | elg | which would be ironic considering his argument that music is getting better |
| 22:06.10 | levi | elg: Well, he likes contemporary pop music, not contemporary 'serious' music. |
| 22:06.40 | elg | he never really tells us what kind of music he likes, other than not classical and not the radio |
| 22:06.59 | sub\ | darn |
| 22:07.02 | levi | Anyway, having a superiority complex about one's music is another typical teenager trait. |
| 22:07.09 | elg | definitely |
| 22:07.26 | RyanE | but it takes years of maturing to reach true snobbery. :) |
| 22:08.02 | elg | but some of us could appreciate good music from (almost) all genres by 19, in spite of that |
| 22:08.19 | levi | True. |
| 22:08.28 | sub{die} | cool |
| 22:08.58 | levi | He must have been too busy reading Chomsky and friends to expand his listening too much. |
| 22:09.00 | elg | a nice snip from a comment: "Survival of the fittest is a tautology" |
| 22:09.34 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 22:10.23 | *** mode/#utah [+b *!*n=Uncle_*@*] by elg |
| 22:10.43 | elg | hey, that's not what I typed |
| 22:10.47 | RyanE | that'll keep the rifraff out. |
| 22:11.23 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*n=Uncle_*@*] by elg |
| 22:11.49 | sub{die} | ~slap elg |
| 22:11.51 | ibot | ACTION slaps elg, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:12.04 | sub{die} | so can I have ops now that I have a new nick? |
| 22:12.53 | *** mode/#utah [+b *!*n=Uncle_*@*.comcast.net] by elg |
| 22:13.07 | elg | sigh. not sure why it translates Jesse into * |
| 22:13.15 | elg | maybe Jesse was one of Kleene's nicknames |
| 22:16.40 | elg | another amusing thing is I bet his perception of what is classical music would boil down to (if he thought about it) anything serious that takes thought to enjoy |
| 22:17.01 | elg | he would argue at first that it was anything "old", but he'd quickly be disproven by counterexample |
| 22:17.24 | elg | and then by the same argument, anything "non-classical" would be "modern" |
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| 22:18.06 | elg | and he'd be in quite a pickle trying to explain why nsync isn't better than bach |
| 22:22.36 | macnewbold | or that rsync isn't better than bash |
| 22:23.27 | levi | elg: As someone pointed out, his argument is really just an assumption, and he doesn't provide any evidence aside from a feeling that it should be that way. |
| 22:26.02 | Peregrine | I need to reboot and see if mkinitrd is working correctly now. Later. |
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| 22:32.32 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 22:33.16 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*n=Uncle_*@*.comcast.net] by elg |
| 22:33.17 | sub{die} | ~lart elg |
| 22:33.29 | sub{die} | ~lart elg for banning sub{die} |
| 22:33.50 | *** kick/#utah [sub{die}!n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net] by elg (elg) |
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| 22:34.06 | sub{die} | hey - at least you kicked me this time :-) |
| 22:34.17 | sub{die} | ibot I think could hear me but no one else could |
| 22:34.18 | ibot | You think could hear me but no one else could? |
| 22:34.31 | sub{die} | ibot echo |
| 22:34.33 | ibot | echo is probably an issue which can be best fixed using this link: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/modules/tinycontent/content/docbook/current/docs-html/x1695.html#AEN1718, or fixed with fxotune: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+fxotune, or best fixed by troubleshooting your pci bus: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+PCI+bus+Troubleshooting, or of ... |
| 22:34.48 | sub{die} | stupid ibot |
| 22:35.52 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | yes! |
| 22:36.37 | harleypig | undef /Jesse/ |
| 22:37.20 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | at least it's geeky |
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| 22:48.13 | RyanE_ | sjansen: anything good in your UUG presentation tonight? |
| 22:48.47 | RyanE | I mean, good for someone who'se already fairly familiar with Linux? |
| 22:48.53 | RyanE | or free putty? :) |
| 22:52.38 | sjansen | RyanE: No free putty. We need to order more tins. |
| 22:52.53 | sjansen | The presentation is going to be very free form, basically a jam session. |
| 22:53.18 | sjansen | Come and share your knowledge. I might not have anything interesting to say, but someone else might. |
| 22:54.31 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | like that |
| 22:56.12 | m{\w{5}_Jesse} | stupid css wrapping |
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| 23:03.29 | tene | I'd go if I didn't have class tonight. |
| 23:25.19 | elg | -lart Uncle_Je1se |
| 23:27.19 | nick125_lappy | fat12? o.0 |
| 23:32.13 | levi | I'd come and share my wisdom, but I've got homework to work on. Alas, the UUG meet will have to go on without me. :P |
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| 23:56.40 | beandog | Does anyone use mythvideo? |
| 23:56.59 | tene | I use pliers sometimes. Does that count? |
| 23:58.00 | beandog | only if you add butter |