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| 00:01.32 | elg | ~lart maquis |
| 00:02.00 | maquis | elg: hi |
| 00:02.11 | maquis | ~lart tensaii |
| 00:02.26 | elg | http://www.bleeplabs.com/ |
| 00:12.03 | tensai | ~lart kids and their pushy fingers |
| 00:12.23 | tensai | maquis: I covered the button. we'll see if that tricks him. |
| 00:14.17 | tensai | elg: so, ever get a chance to look at falcon? port 25 is refusing connections. |
| 00:14.50 | elg | hmm, i didn't realize |
| 00:15.35 | elg | postfix wasn't up. wonder why |
| 00:15.51 | tensai | I've got 60 messages or so queued up for you |
| 00:16.36 | maquis | tensai: lol |
| 00:17.21 | tensai | is ~rlart |
| 00:17.29 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 00:20.50 | tensai | ~lart people for whining about flag burning |
| 00:22.26 | maquis | tensai: people whining about the fact that others burn flags? |
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| 00:45.22 | elg | ~lart vont |
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| 01:46.36 | levi | Good evening. Anyone around? |
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| 01:49.28 | emcnabb | nope |
| 01:50.21 | levi | Darn. |
| 01:54.10 | levi | How's your 4th going? |
| 02:08.18 | Supaplex | wet |
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| 02:54.21 | linuxalien | Happy 4th! |
| 03:03.30 | levi | Happy 4th to you! |
| 03:03.52 | levi | Darn weather tried to spoil my pool party, but we held it nonetheless. |
| 03:03.54 | linuxalien | Thanks! |
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| 03:08.34 | levi | I fired up my grill under an awning on a little sunken patio out of the wind, and everyone hung out inside the condo clubhouse until the rain stopped. |
| 03:09.02 | levi | It was still overcast, but we got in a good swim before the rain started again. |
| 03:09.10 | linuxalien | Mmm food |
| 03:11.45 | levi | I grilled some killer chicken breasts. |
| 03:12.00 | levi | They were brined and well-seasoned. |
| 03:12.38 | bonez39 | levi, were those breasts like the TV commercial.....Carl's Junior? Big and Plump? |
| 03:13.08 | linuxalien | Wow |
| 03:13.10 | linuxalien | yummy |
| 03:17.16 | levi | They were pretty big. |
| 03:17.20 | linuxalien | gotta set off fireworks with family |
| 03:17.22 | levi | I also grilled some corn on the cob. |
| 03:17.23 | linuxalien | bbl |
| 03:17.29 | linuxalien | You're making me hungry again. ;)_ |
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| 04:28.23 | maquis | Supaplex: and a late nap |
| 04:28.48 | Supaplex | you could say that. |
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| 04:34.59 | levi | Back from watching fireworks. |
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| 04:52.01 | maquis | why does july look like it's spelled wrong? |
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| 05:18.03 | levi | maquis: It doesn't look like it's spelled wrong to me. |
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| 05:31.56 | levi | Mmmmmmm mango! |
| 05:46.09 | Supaplex | gimmie |
| 06:22.59 | tensai | ~lart maquis |
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| 09:03.28 | h|barbobot | what the hell |
| 09:03.31 | h|barbobot | no dataw0lf |
| 09:03.58 | h|barbobot | fuck this place i was giving out free blowjobs but if theres no dw theres no go |
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| 13:43.24 | redbeard1 | so, anyone else made it in yet this morning? |
| 14:03.19 | maquis | redbeard1: morning |
| 14:04.55 | redbeard1 | maquis: morning! how was your holiday? |
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| 14:16.50 | elg | anybody have access to a usenet server other than xmission's? |
| 14:17.00 | elg | i'm looking for a reply that didn't come to me by that path |
| 14:17.35 | redbeard1 | elg: i have giganews |
| 14:17.51 | elg | alt.binaries.emulators.mame |
| 14:17.57 | redbeard1 | one moment |
| 14:18.13 | elg | i started a thread requesting super mario bros, somebody replied saying "oh and I forgot to mention... hope you like it" |
| 14:18.19 | elg | but apparently I missed the actualy rom |
| 14:18.41 | elg | google groups doesn't carry that group |
| 14:21.13 | redbeard1 | dude, that's a huge group |
| 14:23.08 | emcnabb | elg: you pirate! |
| 14:23.17 | elg | argh |
| 14:23.40 | redbeard1 | yeah. because that rom didn't ship with every single nes in the world. |
| 14:23.40 | elg | redbeard1: what, you have to d/l the whole thing? |
| 14:23.54 | redbeard1 | elg: i don't suppose i HAD to, but i did |
| 14:23.59 | elg | :) |
| 14:25.26 | emcnabb | elg: I think I may need to report you |
| 14:25.47 | elg | ~lart emcnabb |
| 14:25.51 | elg | ~whaleslap emcnabb |
| 14:25.58 | ibot | ACTION beats emcnabb upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 14:25.58 | emcnabb | yummy :-) |
| 14:26.07 | redbeard1 | emcnabb: i wouldn't bother. looks like he posted his real name in the group. who does that anymore? |
| 14:26.24 | nick125_lappy | haha |
| 14:29.42 | elg | :) and my real email addresses |
| 14:30.05 | elg | I've been doing that for some time, I already have the spam filtering technology in place to deal with it. it's liberating |
| 14:30.22 | emcnabb | elg: you're going down |
| 14:30.23 | nick125_lappy | how about you add your mailing address too! |
| 14:30.40 | elg | ~tackle emcnabb |
| 14:30.42 | ibot | ACTION tackles emcnabb to the ground. |
| 14:31.31 | emcnabb | you and ibot cannot stop me from destroying your evil schemes! |
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| 14:57.49 | bonez41 | I need to find a file named ccysthjg.pdb on my system... I am clueless when it comes to finding files, .. suggestions? would locate work better or which or find? I'll gladly read if I can find a reference that won't bury me further... |
| 15:02.47 | vontrapp_ | bonez41: locate is the quickest |
| 15:03.28 | vontrapp_ | but if it's a relatively new file you might have to update the locate database, use "sudo updatedb" |
| 15:04.00 | emcnabb | or: find / -name ccysthjg.pdb |
| 15:04.57 | vontrapp_ | that would take a while, but so does updatedb, not sure which is longer |
| 15:04.57 | emcnabb | you can replace "/" with any directory path |
| 15:05.41 | emcnabb | I agree that locate is the best tool in the situation, but sometimes you don't want to have to deal with the database being out of date, etc |
| 15:06.44 | bonez41 | is there any good reference on this...on finding a file, or better yet, finding a string within a file, somewhere? |
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| 15:07.44 | vontrapp_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.36 | vontrapp | for finding a string _in_ a file you pretty much gotta use grep with recursive |
| 15:09.24 | bonez41 | ah...I'll read up more on grep then |
| 15:10.42 | vontrapp | the more you can narrow down where you look for the file the less you'll have to wait for grep (and the less garbage output you'll get, depending on how common your search string might turn out to be) |
| 15:11.49 | bonez41 | emcnabb, do I run the 'find / -name filename' routine as user or root? I am getting a bunch of errors , a la : /home/scott/.jpilot/backup09191631/ccysthjg.pdb find: /usr/local/sql-ledger/templates: Permission denied find: /var/lib/postgres/data: Permission denied |
| 15:12.10 | bonez41 | it gives three legit locations at first but then a bunch of other stuff...... |
| 15:12.18 | bonez41 | with permission denied errors. |
| 15:12.49 | vontrapp | find goes off and tries to look at all files under the path you give, if you don't have permission to see those files you get the errors |
| 15:14.00 | vontrapp | you could tag 2> /dev/null on the end of the command to suppress the erros |
| 15:15.38 | bonez41 | sontek, running as root would likely prevent them too, right? |
| 15:15.55 | vontrapp | yep |
| 15:16.06 | bonez41 | weird..not sure how 'sontek, got in there |
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| 15:39.48 | elg | ~rlart |
| 15:43.29 | mheath | ~rlart |
| 15:45.16 | QBFreak | ~lart elg |
| 15:48.46 | harleypig | anyone else going to oscon? |
| 15:52.16 | jsmith | I sure wish I was... |
| 15:52.38 | harleypig | heh |
| 15:54.06 | levi | Nope, you're the only one. It's going to be lonely! |
| 15:55.27 | harleypig | :] Nope, about 6 of us from my company are going ... |
| 15:55.36 | harleypig | and a couple of others from LDSOSS |
| 15:56.11 | mheath | The Real game last night was very fun :) |
| 15:56.30 | mheath | Pity they just tied.....They made a couple of good shots, but they were (legitimately) thrown out by the ref. |
| 15:56.41 | levi | What was fun about it? |
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| 15:57.39 | mheath | oops |
| 15:57.47 | mheath | my shift key keeps getting stuck on this laptop |
| 15:57.55 | mheath | and shift+click on tabs in x-chat closes them |
| 15:58.00 | levi | Shifty little thing. |
| 15:58.07 | mheath | levi, just fun tow watch. I had a good time |
| 15:58.21 | mheath | and the weather cleared up just perfectly for the game |
| 15:58.38 | levi | What time was the game? |
| 15:58.53 | mheath | 8PM for the main game |
| 16:00.34 | mheath | people are stupid about soccer games in the USA though |
| 16:00.45 | mheath | a lot of people in our section were going nuts cheering on our teams |
| 16:00.59 | mheath | and some lady tried to call security on some people because they were standing up. |
| 16:01.45 | levi | Wow, nearly 70% humidity today. |
| 16:02.58 | levi | I'm looking at a graph of the weather in Bluffdale over the last 24 hours. |
| 16:03.08 | levi | The onset of the storm yesterday is very apparent. |
| 16:06.39 | levi | The wind suddently changed from 5mph to 25mph, the temperature dropped 20 degrees, and relative humidity rose about 60%. |
| 16:15.57 | jsmith | levi: Yeah, it really did happen that quickly. |
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| 16:17.03 | levi | My pool party was just getting started. |
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| 16:19.47 | vontrapp | there was just enough warning for me to get the top of my car up |
| 16:25.11 | flyboy^ | Does anyone here care? I get a full 8Mbps down on my new comcast setup. |
| 16:25.36 | flyboy^ | I've heard it said: "Who gets XMbps from Comcast any how?" - I do. |
| 16:26.59 | flyboy^ | I'll see how stable the line is. |
| 16:27.10 | flyboy^ | But so far it is pretty dawg-on fast. |
| 16:27.58 | flyboy^ | Got the latest Knoppix image from kernel.org in ~15 minutes (a little less actually). |
| 16:28.09 | herlo | flyboy^: I have it, and it is nice, but it could be better....Utopia anyone? |
| 16:28.29 | flyboy^ | I've heard a roumer that Comcast is going to bump things up to 14Mbps |
| 16:28.48 | flyboy^ | jsmith: How much total do you pay for a 7Mbps DSL? |
| 16:28.53 | herlo | mmm, where did you hear that rumor, I'd like to spread that.... |
| 16:29.02 | flyboy^ | herlo: Comcast tech. |
| 16:29.19 | flyboy^ | herlo: Technically a contractor for Comcast that does tech work. |
| 16:29.34 | jsmith | flyboy^: No clue... something like $35 to Qwest, and $17 to XMission |
| 16:29.44 | herlo | flyboy^: you are? or someone you know? |
| 16:31.03 | levi | My phone line is too crappy and too far from the CO to get good DSL. I've been hesitant to switch to Comcast because I like xmission and having a static IP and no blocked ports, but it's so flaky that I'm considering switching. |
| 16:31.21 | flyboy^ | levi: xmission is flaky? |
| 16:31.30 | herlo | levi: comcast doesn't block ports and has no limits on bandwidth |
| 16:31.35 | levi | xmission isn't flaky, Qwest is. |
| 16:31.50 | levi | herlo: Oh, I'd heard they blocked 25. |
| 16:31.56 | flyboy^ | I'm thinking Comcast is pretty flaky too. |
| 16:32.24 | flyboy^ | It's just fast, and I can get it with cable so my wife is happy. |
| 16:32.26 | herlo | levi: don't know for sure, but I've never had issue with any ports... |
| 16:32.42 | herlo | don't run my own mail |
| 16:33.07 | levi | Not that I use 25 a lot. I'm hosting my blog at home, though, and not having a static IP would be very annoying. |
| 16:33.27 | flyboy^ | If you live in a busy/active area, I bet comcast would suck. |
| 16:33.56 | flyboy^ | A guy here at work has had the same Comcast IP for over 2 years. |
| 16:34.01 | herlo | flyboy^: my area is fairly busy, probably 50% saturation and no real problems |
| 16:34.21 | herlo | I've had the same IP until I changed machines that ran my firewall |
| 16:34.55 | flyboy^ | Did it stabalize on that new IP, or does it keep changing? |
| 16:35.19 | herlo | stabilizied |
| 16:35.28 | herlo | s/stabilizied/stabilized |
| 16:35.56 | flyboy^ | Well, to play the other side. Comcast == consumer. With DSL you can get a more "this has got to work all the time" type connection (I would guess). |
| 16:37.53 | herlo | flyboy^: we never turn our fw machine off, so that could be a good reason why the ip doesn't change, but I believe its bound by mac address actually |
| 16:38.14 | flyboy^ | herlo: I'm thinking it has something to do with that as well. |
| 16:38.37 | flyboy^ | herlo: I have heard, however, in really active areas people can't get the same IP over and over. |
| 16:40.21 | flyboy^ | !omtr |
| 16:40.30 | flyboy^ | How do you do a stock quote? |
| 16:40.33 | flyboy^ | !OMTR |
| 16:41.31 | jsmith | flyboy^: That only works in #noc, on your employer's IRC server |
| 16:41.41 | flyboy^ | lol |
| 16:41.57 | flyboy^ | It works in #netops too. |
| 16:42.09 | jsmith | flyboy^: But that's for rubbing it in... I appreciate that. |
| 16:43.02 | herlo | flyboy^: but if you don't give up the ip, no issue |
| 16:43.12 | flyboy^ | jsmith: How did your trip to Europe go? |
| 16:43.35 | jsmith | flyboy^: Awesome. Spoke in Berlin, Paris, and London. Had a great time. |
| 16:44.07 | flyboy^ | That's great. Did you get to have some fun while you were there? |
| 16:45.05 | jsmith | flyboy^: A little bit... not nearly enough though... |
| 16:45.28 | flyboy^ | What, in your opinion, was the best place? |
| 16:46.39 | jsmith | flyboy^: Depends. For the food, definitely Paris (with Berlin as a close second). For "excitement in the air", definitely Germany (thanks to the World Cup). For best turnout to the conference, definitely London. |
| 16:46.58 | jsmith | flyboy^: Each city has it's own unique flavor. |
| 16:47.16 | flyboy^ | Did you have a hard time getting around at all in Paris/Berlin, or do you happen to speak both French and German? |
| 16:49.51 | jsmith | One of the people in our party spoke some German, but for the most part everyone we talked to spoke at least limited English. |
| 16:49.57 | jsmith | It wasn't hard to get around at all.. |
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| 16:53.28 | flyboy^ | !stock omtr |
| 16:53.36 | flyboy^ | Bah, need a stock bot. |
| 16:54.48 | flyboy^ | $1,199.00 for SLC->Berlin - round trip, with a stop in NYC. Not to bad really. |
| 16:56.13 | flyboy^ | $8,002.00 for first class. |
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| 17:04.01 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 17:04.08 | sjansen | Score! |
| 17:06.20 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 17:06.38 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 17:15.37 | herlo | sjansen: that was mean!! |
| 17:15.41 | herlo | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:16.58 | sjansen | herlo: It wasn't me, it was ibot. (Although I did endorse it.) |
| 17:17.25 | herlo | sjansen: and thus my retaliation was appropriate |
| 17:20.58 | sjansen | ~retaliate against herlo |
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| 17:24.21 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 17:24.36 | sjansen | ibot: Why's everybody always picking on me? |
| 17:24.57 | emcnabb | -onjoin sjansen Why's everybody always picking on me? |
| 17:25.16 | emcnabb | ~onjoin sjansen Why's everybody always picking on me? |
| 17:25.17 | ibot | ok, emcnabb |
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| 17:32.55 | bonez41 | anyone know of a handy envelope printing utility, .. that doesn't require OO or anything complicated..just command line....simple? |
| 17:37.53 | sjansen | You could probably get someone to write a simple shell script that spits out postscript and passes it to lpr. |
| 17:38.10 | sjansen | I've been surprised by the number of Linux users that know how to write raw postscript. |
| 17:38.11 | bonez41 | sjansen, perhaps... |
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| 17:44.16 | elg | sjansen: perhaps, but they're a dying breed |
| 17:44.19 | herlo | bonez41: try enscript or mpage. You'll have to do a little fiddling, but its completely scriptable |
| 17:44.33 | elg | these days the equivalent will use xsl:fo or something :) |
| 17:45.20 | sjansen | ick |
| 17:45.50 | elg | well raw postscript is ick too, in a different way |
| 17:46.17 | sjansen | ~seen spr |
| 17:46.32 | ibot | spr <n=spr@24-116-65-109.cpe.cableone.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 21h 25m 26s ago, saying: '~cook sjansen-mourning '. |
| 17:46.32 | sjansen | ~seen ibot |
| 17:46.34 | ibot | ibot is currently on #gpe (22h 33m 55s) #bzflag (22h 33m 55s) #familiar (22h 33m 55s) #kierra (22h 33m 55s) #brlcad (22h 33m 55s) #utah (22h 33m 55s) #oe (22h 33m 55s) #zaurus (22h 33m 55s) #gllug (22h 33m 55s) #pillbox (22h 33m 55s) #openzaurus (22h 33m 55s) #silvercat (22h 33m 55s) #opie ... |
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| 17:50.43 | bonez41 | herlo, I use and love enscript.....didnt' know I could customize though |
| 18:15.20 | emcnabb | ~seen sjansen |
| 18:15.30 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 28m 58s ago, saying: '~seen ibot'. |
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| 18:47.50 | elg | tensai: ping |
| 18:47.58 | tene | elg: ping |
| 18:49.03 | jsmith | 64 bytes from tene: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=34.04 ms (DUP!) |
| 18:49.41 | elg | jsmith: how are you with cisco 678s? |
| 18:50.09 | jsmith | elg: I know my way around, but I'm no expert. |
| 18:50.12 | jsmith | elg: What's your question? |
| 18:50.26 | elg | my 678 doesn't seem to want to retrain |
| 18:50.42 | elg | i.e. if I unplug the dsl, then plug it back in |
| 18:50.47 | elg | the wan light just flashes ad infinitum |
| 18:51.02 | elg | and sometimes it needs to retrain in natural life too |
| 18:51.12 | elg | but if I power cycle, it works fine |
| 18:51.37 | Supaplex | mine does that sometimes to |
| 18:51.51 | Supaplex | sometimes it's just cleaner to reboot from console |
| 18:52.00 | elg | reboot from console doesn't seem to work either |
| 18:52.03 | elg | needs a power cycle |
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| 18:59.07 | Supaplex | so if plug/unplug doesn't work, what is a power cycle? |
| 18:59.12 | Supaplex | yours has a switch? |
| 18:59.31 | vontrapp | Supaplex: that was plug-unplug the dsl cable |
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| 19:49.56 | Uncle_Jesse | I must say I am *very* impressed |
| 19:50.16 | Uncle_Jesse | Microsoft really ought to go into the hardware business - it reminds me a lot of getting my new ibook |
| 19:50.38 | Uncle_Jesse | they also need to market the home networking features more |
| 19:52.36 | levi | I understand they're not selling terribly well. |
| 19:52.48 | levi | The demo displays I see in the store are pretty impressive, though. |
| 19:53.05 | Uncle_Jesse | they need much better marketing - it would make tons if people realized what they could do with their homes on these things |
| 19:53.18 | Uncle_Jesse | the tie-ins to WMCE are incredible |
| 19:53.29 | Uncle_Jesse | I now watch my TV over a network connection |
| 19:53.43 | Uncle_Jesse | it shows me a list by cover of all the movies currently showing |
| 19:53.43 | levi | I dunno, I don't think there's that huge of a market for that stuff at the moment. |
| 19:54.16 | Uncle_Jesse | I think once it has more games it will sell better |
| 19:58.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I think they need to label the Xbox 360-compatible games better too - I've found that very confusing |
| 19:59.05 | Uncle_Jesse | and most of the store reps don't know either |
| 19:59.20 | Uncle_Jesse | but I seriously think they need a media center demo in all the stores |
| 19:59.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I've convinced several people to get one just by demoing those features |
| 20:02.04 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: I haven't used the media center stuff on mine yet... I just use it to play a few games. |
| 20:15.42 | levi | I have a PS2 and don't even use it to play games, so I probably won't be getting a 360. |
| 20:20.43 | elg | i seriously need some sort of miniature rack for my switch, modem, wireless router, 2 ATAs and cordless phone base |
| 20:20.58 | elg | preferably one made of aluminum or something that has heat sink properties |
| 20:21.19 | harleypig | Carrot juice is murder! |
| 20:22.30 | maquis | http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060627/1/8cg5.html <-- "It is expected that during the tournament more than 30 billion people will tune into the action from Germany and, in so doing, break the record for the world\u2019s most-watched sports event." |
| 20:22.48 | elg | world\u2019s huh? |
| 20:22.58 | maquis | erm... yeah |
| 20:23.05 | maquis | so, i copied it from firefox |
| 20:23.27 | maquis | i'm just impressed that they can have 5 times the world population watching the world cup |
| 20:23.38 | elg | :) |
| 20:23.45 | elg | the power of futbol |
| 20:23.55 | maquis | yeah |
| 20:24.04 | elg | i love watching the crybabies grab their ankles every time you turn araound |
| 20:24.06 | maquis | apparently if i watch 2 games, i can become 2 people :) |
| 20:24.13 | elg | get hit in the head, fall down and grab your ankle |
| 20:26.49 | levi | maquis: Hey, that's human cloning. Better watch out or the anti-cloning activists will come after you. |
| 20:27.20 | maquis | levi: good point |
| 20:41.13 | mheath | Hmmm, I think my master cylinder is sticking on my car |
| 20:41.20 | mheath | Accelerating really poorly..... |
| 20:41.57 | mheath | Its a pretty speed car, usually, but it was taking me like 10 seconds to get up to 15 MPH |
| 20:42.02 | mheath | *speedy |
| 20:42.03 | levi | Does your brake pedal feel any different? |
| 20:42.36 | mheath | levi, nah. My dad was suggesting that the master cylinder might be sticking a little bit, though, which would cause the drag....and probably wouldn't effect the pedal response much |
| 20:42.50 | mheath | Once I get up to ~20 MPH, theres almost no problem |
| 20:43.09 | mheath | Though, my 5th gear was lacking a lot of its power |
| 20:43.20 | levi | You're sure the parking brake is completely disengaged? |
| 20:43.28 | levi | Do you smell burning brakes after you stop? |
| 20:43.41 | mheath | Going uphill, I couldn't even maintain my 50 MPH speed in 5th gear |
| 20:43.48 | mheath | With the gas floored in 5th, I was loosing speed |
| 20:44.15 | mheath | (going uphill, granted....but the car can usually maintain those speeds even in cruise control uphill in 5th gear) |
| 20:44.15 | levi | With that much brake drag, you should definitely begin to smell them. |
| 20:44.33 | mheath | levi, I only drove a few miles home from work. |
| 20:44.45 | mheath | And its not much of a drag |
| 20:44.56 | mheath | the car can usually just _barely_ maintain 50MPH speeds uphill in 5th |
| 20:45.17 | mheath | and the only other noticeable drag is down in 1st (and second, a bit) |
| 20:45.37 | mheath | I ended up pissing some people off |
| 20:45.42 | levi | 1st and 2nd have a lot of torque, so noticeable slowing would mean a lot of drag. |
| 20:45.47 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: if you can get the guts up to install MCE on a computer, the media center functions are very worth it |
| 20:45.52 | mheath | levi, yeah..... |
| 20:45.52 | Uncle_Jesse | I highly recommend a wired connection though |
| 20:46.04 | mheath | levi, I'm going to drive it back down to work, and monitor all these things |
| 20:46.15 | mheath | (wheel temperature, etc) |
| 20:46.19 | Uncle_Jesse | it would be cool if someone could get mythtv to sync with those though |
| 20:47.18 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Unfortunately, I only have one Windows box in the house, and it's my wifes machine. No sense in loading MCE on that. |
| 21:00.11 | elg | wow, racks are insanely expensive |
| 21:00.16 | elg | time for Mr. DIY |
| 21:00.23 | vontrapp | ~rack elg |
| 21:00.30 | maquis | sweet.. i'm playing nethack as a turbonerd :) |
| 21:00.45 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: is it XP? If so you can probably get away with her still using it and it being the Media Center box. That's pretty much what mine is. |
| 21:01.06 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd still like to see a mythtv MCE-faker though |
| 21:01.37 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Yeah, but my wife doesn't like me installing junk on her machine... especially since the XBox doesn't get turned on much anyway |
| 21:01.39 | RyanE | elg: does it have to be rack-sized? |
| 21:01.49 | elg | not necessarily |
| 21:01.53 | RyanE | costco sells those bakers racks which are serviceable as electronics racks for about $80 |
| 21:01.57 | elg | cheap is more important |
| 21:01.59 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: (The games are too much for our kids, and they haven't released many kid-friendly games) |
| 21:02.03 | elg | $80 is still too much |
| 21:02.05 | RyanE | 6ft tall, 5 shelves |
| 21:02.10 | elg | but that's good to know |
| 21:02.33 | RyanE | yeah, but mr DIY will spend more than $80 on materials making his own racks... :) |
| 21:03.07 | elg | http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/flexye.html |
| 21:03.10 | RyanE | I made some wood racks for my stuff after moving into my house 5 years ago, out of leftover wood from construction. |
| 21:03.32 | Uncle_Jesse | btw, got my camera - Circuit City had it for almost the same price as Dell, plus I got a deal where they matched CompUSA's offer for a free camera kit to go along with it ($99 value) |
| 21:03.39 | levi | Shelving is generally not cheap, if it's meant to hold much weight at all. |
| 21:03.45 | elg | something like that would do, and i wouldn't have to spend more than $20 max |
| 21:05.38 | RyanE | yeah, that'd do if you didn't have too much equipment... and that doesn't have wheels. |
| 21:05.42 | elg | i'm hoping home depot has some kind of metal shelving with holes or something |
| 21:05.53 | elg | casters are cheap if I cared for wheels, which I don't |
| 21:05.56 | levi | Home Depot has metal shelving, but it is not cheap. |
| 21:06.04 | RyanE | not cheap, and you'll have to make your own holes |
| 21:07.21 | RyanE | that plan is clever, though, using rubber washers and tightening the nuts against each other... |
| 21:15.27 | elg | there's always chicken wire :) |
| 21:15.44 | elg | that'd be worth considering if there was some kind of trim around the edge |
| 21:19.38 | RyanE | certainly get enough ventilation with chicken wire. :) |
| 21:20.07 | vontrapp | how does one exctract an image out of a word document? |
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| 21:26.05 | spengy | Hey everyone |
| 21:26.22 | spengy | can anyone recommend a computer store in the salt lake valley that's *not* CompUSA? |
| 21:27.37 | mheath | Superior Computers. |
| 21:28.43 | spengy | many thanks |
| 21:28.58 | mheath | I worked for them for a while |
| 21:29.04 | mheath | They had great prices |
| 21:29.30 | mheath | Lifetime service (hardware, and software (if you run Windows)), and 4 years parts |
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| 21:31.15 | mheath | Price Match guarantee, too, even under the warranty |
| 21:31.27 | mheath | IE, They'll give you a better price and a far, FAR better warranty than any competitor |
| 21:31.33 | mheath | Even includes special ordering |
| 21:32.08 | jsmith | lars-ut: Lucky for you... I'm sitting hear moaning and groaning, because I bought a computer for my neighbor, and now she doesn't want it. |
| 21:32.28 | jsmith | And, of course, I can return almost everything, except for the copy of Windows XP and Office |
| 21:32.28 | spengy | mheath: I just called them, they don't have the socket 478 CPU fan we need - can you recommend anywhere else? |
| 21:32.36 | jsmith | spengy: PC Club |
| 21:32.51 | spengy | thanks, I'll check them out |
| 21:32.56 | lars-ut | jsmith: next time make her pay for it up front |
| 21:33.05 | jsmith | lars-ut: There will be no "next time" |
| 21:33.10 | lars-ut | jsmith: that still stinks though |
| 21:33.25 | jsmith | Anybody want an unopened copy of Windows XP and/or Office? |
| 21:33.29 | lars-ut | jsmith: sick of being burned? |
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| 21:34.02 | mheath | Wow..... |
| 21:34.29 | lars-ut | ibot you're useless |
| 21:34.31 | ibot | ACTION starts crying and hides from lars-ut in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 21:34.31 | mheath | The Applebee's down in Taylorsville sucked |
| 21:34.42 | mheath | I stopped by there when I was down in West Jordan |
| 21:34.45 | maquis | ibot: get out of my corner! |
| 21:34.54 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:35.17 | mheath | 15 minutes before any said so much as "Hi" to me |
| 21:35.52 | mheath | 17 minutes for my medium rare stake (food is only supposed to take 16 minutes at the most) |
| 21:36.26 | emcnabb | I thought it was 16.3 minutes? |
| 21:36.27 | mheath | And I witnessed the bartender brake the states liquor laws |
| 21:37.34 | mheath | emcnabb, No, you don't understand. I'm not being rediculous - I work at an applebees, and we have 16 minutes to get the food out for, say, a party of 10. |
| 21:38.07 | mheath | 16 minutes for a _medium rare_ steak is rediculous by our standards |
| 21:38.13 | maquis | mheath: hmmm... applebees in washington is much slower than that (30 minutes on occasion) |
| 21:38.15 | JoshH_ | mheath: breaking the liquor laws isn't too hard to do here |
| 21:38.26 | maquis | mheath: how do you brake a law, anyway? |
| 21:38.39 | mheath | The guy served beer to a guy who told him point blank he wasn't going to eat anything |
| 21:38.45 | maquis | and i'll admit i've never tried ordering tent stakes |
| 21:39.09 | JoshH_ | having to order food for a beer is absurd, who cares |
| 21:39.22 | emcnabb | I just think the number 16 is fairly arbitrary; 17 minutes was horrible, but 16 minutes would be acceptable |
| 21:39.25 | JoshH_ | but ya, the service does suck at that applebees |
| 21:39.46 | mheath | JoshH_, The problem is, Applebee's had some problems with liquor law violations lately |
| 21:39.50 | sjansen | emcnabb: I'll show you arbitrary! |
| 21:39.52 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 21:39.56 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:40.04 | emcnabb | bot wars! |
| 21:40.08 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
| 21:40.27 | maquis | brac's gone |
| 21:40.29 | maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:40.44 | mheath | JoshH_, we're supposed to be upholding a strict liquor control system |
| 21:40.51 | sjansen | fine then, I'm leaving |
| 21:41.18 | mheath | Including IDing anyone who looks under 50 (the guy that was served a beer without food looked much younger, and wasn't IDed at all), and double IDing (our managers come check) |
| 21:41.36 | mheath | The person violated both several company guidelines, as well as state liquor laws. |
| 21:41.36 | JoshH_ | double IDing? |
| 21:41.38 | JoshH_ | what's that |
| 21:41.57 | mheath | JoshH_, A server checks your ID, and then a manager comes and checks it again for confirmation |
| 21:42.16 | mheath | A bit silly, but (like I said) we had some problems with liquor violations that put our companies ability to serve alcohol at all in trouble |
| 21:43.28 | JoshH_ | so some moron somewhere decided the best way to rectify the situation would be to double ID people who look 45... brilliant. |
| 21:46.48 | vontrapp | lets see, so some server checks the ID, not 21? oh i'll give it to him anyway |
| 21:46.58 | mheath | JoshH_, no, this guy looked like...20 something. |
| 21:47.02 | vontrapp | but wait! i have to have the manager double check it, d'oh! |
| 21:47.11 | JoshH_ | i'm saying the policy is stupid |
| 21:47.37 | mheath | JoshH_, Yeah, because we've had some very stupid servers. The manager staff doesn't trust them, and rightly so |
| 21:47.53 | JoshH_ | then he should fire them, stupid policies never fix anything |
| 21:47.55 | mheath | not in our store, but there have many instances of many applebees being caught serving to minors.... |
| 21:48.03 | mheath | and violating liquor laws. |
| 21:48.14 | vontrapp | but if the server is going to be dishonest about checking the id, then why would he not be dishonest in not having the manager come check |
| 21:52.30 | mheath | vontrapp, no. All our alcohol is poured by a back-of-house bartender. |
| 21:52.52 | mheath | Orders for alcohol, like orders for food, come through a computerized system. A ticket is printed out back there. |
| 21:53.09 | mheath | The back-of-house bartender isn't supposed to make the alcohol until they get double-ID confirmation from a manager. |
| 21:53.30 | JoshH_ | man, imagine what out of state tourists think of that lol |
| 21:55.14 | vontrapp | they probably think they want their alcohol |
| 21:55.21 | mheath | JoshH_, The alcohol problems were nationwide. This policy is a nationwide policy of Applebees. |
| 21:55.34 | mheath | I believe so, at least. |
| 21:56.06 | mheath | http://www.itronix.com/products/notebooks/gobookiii.asp |
| 21:56.09 | JoshH_ | doesn't applebees have a bar you can sit at with the bartender right in front of you? i seem to remember that being the case |
| 21:56.11 | Supaplex | next they'll try interigations ;) |
| 21:56.23 | mheath | I think I'm going to get one of those, if I end up over in Iraq.. |
| 21:56.24 | mheath | Hmm |
| 21:56.30 | mheath | JoshH_, Yes. |
| 21:56.35 | mheath | But we are not a bar, legally. |
| 21:56.54 | mheath | And in the state of Utah, you can not have alcohol at a non-bar/club establishment unless you exhibit an intent to order food. |
| 21:57.01 | JoshH_ | so even if someone orders it at the bar, the manager has to come over and confirm the id check? |
| 21:58.01 | mheath | JoshH_, No, our bartender is trusted. (mainly because they're the ones that actually pour the drinks, and they have additional training.) |
| 21:58.05 | Supaplex | this all sounds like windows geniune advantage, but for beer, not O.S. licenses |
| 22:12.12 | harleypig | AGGHHHHH!!!! |
| 22:12.32 | harleypig | How come SpiderMonkey hasn't been integrated into WWW::Mechanize yet! |
| 22:15.44 | vontrapp | anyone know of a good website for unicode table lookups? |
| 22:15.57 | vontrapp | good searchability is a must |
| 22:16.16 | vontrapp | e.g. i want the en-dash, give me the code! |
| 22:17.01 | jsmith | vontrapp: The Gnome Character Map application? |
| 22:17.27 | vontrapp | that sounds like it might be a font map thingy |
| 22:18.25 | jsmith | Well, it happens to make a fairly useful Unicode table lookup as well -- at least that's what I use it for. |
| 22:18.38 | vontrapp | what's it called? |
| 22:19.14 | jsmith | Gucharmap |
| 22:19.17 | vontrapp | ooh, look at this |
| 22:19.19 | vontrapp | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/search.htm |
| 22:19.26 | jsmith | http://live.gnome.org/Gucharmap |
| 22:19.33 | vontrapp | this will be perfect for a firefox quicksearch |
| 22:20.33 | jsmith | vontrapp: Yeah... sweet! |
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| 22:22.34 | mrpull_ | does anyone know of a python (or perl or ruby) module to interface with google maps |
| 22:22.36 | mrpull_ | ? |
| 22:22.50 | mrpull_ | that is a tough one to google |
| 22:22.57 | vontrapp | woohoo! "unicode dash" in the address bar now gives me 89 different dashes |
| 22:22.59 | vontrapp | nice nice nice |
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| 22:25.32 | vontrapp | http://schoolwhistle.com |
| 22:27.40 | vontrapp | anyone care to check that in ie? |
| 22:29.49 | mrpull_ | vontrapp: looks good in IE6 |
| 22:30.45 | vontrapp | it has the marks? |
| 22:31.06 | vontrapp | good, i was worried ie would like the li:before { content: blah; } thing i used |
| 22:31.21 | mrpull_ | no check marks |
| 22:31.30 | vontrapp | oh, maybe it doesn't then |
| 22:31.57 | mrpull_ | sorry... i didn't compare to FF before I commented |
| 22:32.06 | vontrapp | but that's ok, that can just be an extra goody for people who use a sane browser |
| 22:33.26 | mrpull_ | heh... why not just use bullets that every browser understands? |
| 22:36.35 | vontrapp | that would be too easy |
| 22:56.49 | harleypig | mrpull_: have you search cpan? |
| 22:56.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I hate just believing people by their word that something's good for you |
| 22:58.55 | harleypig | http://search.cpan.org/dist/HTML-GoogleMaps/ |
| 22:59.12 | harleypig | http://search.cpan.org/dist/WebService-GoogleMaps/ |
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| 23:04.34 | mrpull_ | harleypig: i should have... perl is my last choice for this project (based on the fact I know perl best and want to use this project to better learn python or ruby) |
| 23:05.28 | mrpull_ | harleypig: but it does look like your suggestion would work best |
| 23:07.13 | harleypig | mrpull_: ah ... well, I don't think that any other language has anything like cpan, otoh, google maps api might be a better search term. |
| 23:09.01 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull_: you may be able to do a search with the gem tool - not sure though |
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| 23:10.00 | Uncle_Jesse | in the meantime: http://akuaku.org/archives/2005/04/google_maps_on.shtml |
| 23:10.11 | Uncle_Jesse | (search for "google maps ruby" on google) |
| 23:12.07 | sjansen | Meanwhile, back at the Bat Cave... http://teacher.scholastic.com/products/Instructor/bats.htm |
| 23:15.42 | mrpull_ | thanks for the suggestions |
| 23:15.59 | mrpull_ | remember map in python doesn't mean a picture with roads on it |
| 23:17.40 | harleypig | :] nor in perl |
| 23:25.51 | herlo | ~lart sjansen because he needs to change his quit message |
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