| 00:00.00 | vontrapp | elg: doesn't work on 14 |
| 00:00.07 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 00:01.32 | vontrapp | samba being the worst |
| 00:01.42 | vontrapp | mutt over imap, thought that's not as annoying |
| 00:02.04 | vontrapp | s/thought/though/ |
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| 00:04.31 | vontrapp | this is what i get trying to associate during "nasty hour" |
| 00:04.37 | vontrapp | 17:57:43.596587 bcm Custom driver event:associating failed because no suitable network was found |
| 00:04.46 | elg | speaking of network problems.. |
| 00:06.19 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 00:07.03 | vontrapp | what does it mean in kismet whan a station is yellow? |
| 00:09.06 | vontrapp | oh great, now there's two others on channel 1 |
| 00:12.34 | elg | i was about to say, I just found this page where they claim the 1,6,11 is overcautious, and you're fine with a distance of 3 channels |
| 00:12.50 | elg | they were talking about setting up a large area with several access points, and said 1,4,8,11 should work well |
| 00:13.08 | elg | which is handy because of the map coloring problem and all that |
| 00:13.53 | elg | anyway, you might be ok on 3, if the 1s are intermittent. the best of course is to figure out who's close to you |
| 00:17.57 | vontrapp | now it looks like this: 0 1 1 1 6 6 9 11 11 |
| 00:18.14 | vontrapp | one of the sixes is Raintree Lounge, which i know is NOT close |
| 00:18.19 | vontrapp | so maybe 4 would be better |
| 00:20.22 | lars-ut | time for superman |
| 00:21.12 | elg | don't you mean lars-ut-up-up-and-away? |
| 00:29.26 | vontrapp | elg: i still can't get on jabber |
| 00:29.45 | elg | i'm still having connectivity issues |
| 00:29.57 | elg | i'm on the neighbor's open wireless |
| 00:30.07 | elg | the neighboring accounting firm that is |
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| 00:34.54 | vontrapp | my stupid card has no problem associating with "belkin54g" on channel 11 with no-wep |
| 00:35.03 | vontrapp | it does that when i first reload the module |
| 00:35.34 | vontrapp | but still when i try to associate to _my_ network (which is 20 feet away) it fails |
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| 00:38.30 | elg | -lart vontrapp_ |
| 00:38.44 | elg | oh yeah. rip brac |
| 00:38.48 | elg | ~lart vontrapp_ |
| 00:41.43 | vontrapp | hah! missed me |
| 00:42.20 | vontrapp | elg: i'm confused, falcon is connected through a neighboring businesses open wireless/ |
| 00:42.24 | vontrapp | ? |
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| 00:48.05 | elg_ | no, my laptop was |
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| 01:27.37 | vontrapp | oh noo! google calendar is down |
| 01:28.00 | vontrapp | there's a wireless network here called "Fishy why are you sleepin" |
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| 02:33.48 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 02:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I need a good book |
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| 03:17.38 | elg | ScytheBlade1: try the phonebook |
| 03:17.46 | ScytheBlade1 | elg, to read |
| 03:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Like, for extended periods of time |
| 03:18.21 | elg | that does limit things |
| 03:24.35 | roscivs | what genre? |
| 03:26.36 | elg | not the telephony genre |
| 03:26.48 | roscivs | does it have to be an interesting book? |
| 03:26.57 | elg | godel, escher bach |
| 03:27.04 | roscivs | that's a good book |
| 03:27.09 | roscivs | read anything else by hofstadter? |
| 03:27.43 | roscivs | "the mind's i" is pretty good |
| 03:27.44 | elg | yeah. an infuriating article http://www.unc.edu/~mumukshu/gandhi/gandhi/hofstadter.htm |
| 03:27.46 | brac | [Sounds Like Bach] |
| 03:27.56 | elg | haven't actually read godel, escher, bach yet. do plan on it |
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| 03:28.14 | roscivs | it's definitely a classic |
| 03:28.26 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 03:28.59 | roscivs | how about scifi? |
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| 03:54.45 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 04:05.01 | findlay | brac: is that your favorite lart? |
| 04:05.02 | brac | who knows? |
| 04:18.34 | elg | http://vadius.livejournal.com/ |
| 04:19.00 | elg | "lisp is Go. Look how simple it is! Wait, what the hell just happened? Ahh, my precious brain!" |
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| 04:27.37 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 04:35.18 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 04:56.44 | tensai | what a stupid concept |
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| 05:55.37 | xbmodder_newlapp | How do I change my beacon interval on my Orinoco AP-500? |
| 06:00.12 | mheath | Sigh. |
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| 07:04.54 | bonez39 | ; |
| 07:07.20 | xbmodder_newlapp | ; |
| 07:21.12 | findlay | : |
| 07:21.51 | bonez39 | ; |
| 07:22.00 | bonez39 | >: |
| 07:25.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | & |
| 07:25.38 | findlay | I went down to Geneva road tonight and just kept driving north. Eventually I found myself in American Fork Canyon which took me all the way around the back of Timpanogas to Provo canyon, so I stayed on that road until it ended back down at Geneva Road. |
| 07:30.54 | bonez39 | is anything left of the mill, or is it all gone now? |
| 07:31.05 | findlay | it's mostly gone |
| 07:35.33 | findlay | there's a lot of industrialization that has been built up around the mills over the years that's still there |
| 07:36.34 | bonez39 | supportive businesses...... |
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| 13:23.55 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 13:24.00 | vontrapp | eke |
| 13:24.04 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 13:25.22 | nick125 | anyone here know if you can have multiple IPs on a single line in hosts.deny? |
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| 13:31.01 | vontrapp | byu doesn't start till sep 5? |
| 13:31.11 | goozbach | it's offical, emcnabb works for the devil now. |
| 13:31.22 | goozbach | stealing patents and whatnot... |
| 13:31.25 | goozbach | tisk tisk |
| 13:31.27 | vontrapp | hmmm, thought it was end of aug |
| 13:31.59 | elg | you can never tell with byu |
| 13:32.05 | goozbach | nick125: like this? |
| 13:32.24 | goozbach | sshd : 192.168.0.2 195.168.216.11 |
| 13:32.27 | elg | they'll probably send a letter the week of aug 12 and tell you "school starts next week" |
| 13:32.46 | elg | why are you using hosts.deny? |
| 13:32.56 | goozbach | if I were a rich college professor... |
| 13:33.17 | sjansen | ~give goozbach tenure |
| 13:33.20 | ibot | ACTION gives tenure to goozbach |
| 13:33.20 | goozbach | with tenure of course |
| 13:33.48 | elg | ~steal goozbach's tenure |
| 13:33.49 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach's tenure and gives it to elg |
| 13:34.55 | nick125 | goozbach: yeah.. |
| 13:36.02 | nick125 | elg: to block out the idiots that have been trying to bruteforce my server for the past week |
| 13:36.20 | elg | ok. that might work |
| 13:36.21 | sjansen | ~strip elg's tenure |
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| 13:36.52 | elg | nick125: or they might just spoof/obtain another ip |
| 13:37.03 | nick125 | elg: that's why I installed denyhosts :) |
| 13:37.46 | sjansen | don't blacklist, whitelist |
| 13:37.51 | nick125 | it goes though the sshd logs for invalid and valid logins |
| 13:38.53 | goozbach | having tenure would rock |
| 13:41.39 | emcnabb | ~lart goozbach |
| 13:41.45 | emcnabb | haha |
| 13:48.49 | goozbach | goozbach's tenure-related word of the day: turpitudeā |
| 13:49.24 | elg | -lart geek code |
| 13:50.49 | elg | i do say, I think we're in some sort of monsoon season here. clouds, even a little rain sometimes, every day, and the temps aren't as bad. or it could just be a front of some kind |
| 13:50.58 | elg | but it's the right time of year for "monsoon" |
| 13:54.30 | vontrapp | send your monsoon this way |
| 13:54.57 | elg | mine! my own |
| 13:55.01 | sjansen | having tenure, having teaching assistants, having slaves^?^?^?^?^?^?grad students, having to teach only a couple hours per day would rock |
| 13:55.18 | vontrapp | heard it on the radio "Scarlet Pimpernel at the sandy ampitheater, jun 23 to jul 1" |
| 13:55.35 | vontrapp | i hear july and duly note "scarlet pimpernel in july!" |
| 13:55.46 | vontrapp | well, now july is here and there's only 2 days left :( |
| 13:55.56 | elg | july ain't here quite yet |
| 13:56.02 | vontrapp | yeah yeah |
| 13:57.34 | elg | just rent the movie, it's better. http://imdb.com/title/tt0084637/ |
| 13:57.35 | brac | [The Scarlet Pimpernel (1982) (TV)] |
| 13:58.40 | vontrapp | i've seen the movie, and besides, it has no musical |
| 13:58.45 | vontrapp | i want to see the play! |
| 13:58.58 | elg | that's why it's better? |
| 13:59.02 | elg | s/?/!/ |
| 13:59.18 | vontrapp | elg: the music is stinkin' awesome |
| 13:59.45 | elg | the one song is ok |
| 14:00.14 | vontrapp | your face is ok, when it's not under my foot! |
| 14:10.22 | goozbach | sjansen: wouldn't it though? |
| 14:10.53 | goozbach | "slave^Wgrad student!... get me some coffee!" |
| 14:11.08 | elg | heh. http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/840b.html "thousand eyes dressing" |
| 14:11.30 | emcnabb | -lart sjansen |
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| 14:24.20 | sjansen | ~crush emcnabb |
| 14:24.23 | ibot | ACTION crushes emcnabb with a full height scsi disk |
| 14:29.17 | emcnabb | ~destroy sjansen |
| 14:29.18 | ibot | no |
| 14:29.30 | emcnabb | ~destroy ibot_ |
| 14:29.31 | ibot | no |
| 14:29.36 | emcnabb | lame |
| 14:29.40 | sjansen | ~bzfrag emcnabb |
| 14:29.41 | ibot | ACTION squishes emcnabb with a steamroller |
| 14:34.04 | sjansen | ~pee on emcnabb |
| 14:34.06 | ibot | ACTION pees on emcnabb |
| 14:35.14 | vontrapp | ~wee sjansen |
| 14:35.16 | ibot | ACTION uses sjansen as a fire hydrant |
| 14:36.18 | emcnabb | ~crap vontrapp |
| 14:36.30 | emcnabb | ~poo vontrapp |
| 14:36.32 | ibot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at vontrapp |
| 14:39.09 | sjansen | ~monkey elg |
| 14:39.11 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at elg |
| 14:40.07 | vontrapp | ~travolta sjansen |
| 14:40.09 | ibot | ACTION replaces sjansen with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 14:42.51 | emcnabb | down with the Fugals! |
| 14:47.39 | elg | ~boil emcnabb |
| 14:47.40 | ibot | ACTION boils emcnabb in a hot steaming kettle of beezlenut oil |
| 14:47.59 | elg | ibot_: are you perfectly happy with that trailing underscore? |
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| 14:54.51 | redbeard1 | i don't suppose there's any apache 2 experts around in here? |
| 14:55.03 | nick125_lappy | just ask the question :P |
| 14:55.03 | sjansen | redbeard1: I used to know a thing or two. |
| 14:56.07 | redbeard1 | i have a directory of images that i want somebody to be able to browse, but i'm getting a 403 on it. permissions on the directory are 0755, and i do have Options +Indexes in the httpd.conf on that directory |
| 14:56.48 | goozbach | redbeard1: check the parent directory |
| 14:56.51 | goozbach | and your logs |
| 14:56.54 | goozbach | :) |
| 14:58.34 | redbeard1 | goozbach: "Directory index forbidden by rule" in the error_log |
| 14:58.54 | redbeard1 | parent has the same permissions and options |
| 14:59.17 | goozbach | hmm |
| 14:59.31 | sjansen | Does apache have read and execute on every directory up to the root? |
| 14:59.41 | goozbach | is it in httpd.conf directly, or an included file? |
| 15:00.11 | sjansen | It looks like the real problem is in the config, based on the log message. |
| 15:00.14 | redbeard1 | goozbach: it's in httpd.conf directly |
| 15:00.26 | elg | is there an .htaccess that overrides it? |
| 15:00.48 | redbeard1 | sjansen: all the permissions, groups and ownerships are the same as my blog, which is in the parent dir |
| 15:00.54 | redbeard1 | elg: no .htaccess file |
| 15:01.02 | elg | and in the parent? |
| 15:01.22 | elg | #ardour-dev |
| 15:01.24 | elg | er, |
| 15:01.39 | elg | ignore the man behind the curtain |
| 15:01.40 | redbeard1 | elg: no .htaccess files anywhere in that path |
| 15:01.59 | sjansen | And you checked simple things like Order deny, allow |
| 15:02.01 | elg | are you trying to do any fancy <Directory> stuff? |
| 15:02.03 | sjansen | Allow from all |
| 15:02.09 | elg | have you tried setting it globally? |
| 15:02.15 | elg | Options +Indexes I meanh |
| 15:02.22 | sjansen | redbeard1: What OS? |
| 15:02.49 | redbeard1 | order allow,deny |
| 15:02.52 | redbeard1 | allow all |
| 15:02.55 | sjansen | Options +Indexes shouldn't be needed globally as long as the more specific <Directory> includes it. |
| 15:02.57 | redbeard1 | er. allow from all |
| 15:03.09 | redbeard1 | this is fedora core 4 |
| 15:03.12 | elg | sjansen: yes, but it's another thing to get wrong |
| 15:03.29 | sjansen | What does /var/log/messages say? |
| 15:03.34 | elg | if it works globally but not in that directory, then you've got a <Directory> problem |
| 15:03.43 | redbeard1 | global options looks like they have Indexes, not +Indexes |
| 15:03.48 | redbeard1 | not sure what difference is |
| 15:03.50 | sjansen | Are you getting avc denied errors? That'd mean you have the wrong SELinux context. |
| 15:03.59 | redbeard1 | selinux is disabled |
| 15:04.16 | goozbach | how about an image directly, can you see them? |
| 15:04.16 | elg | my /var/log/messages says "sjansen is the enemy" |
| 15:04.20 | elg | fancy that |
| 15:04.24 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 15:04.24 | sjansen | +Indexes means add this to the existing options, Indexes me only Indexes and probably isn't what you want |
| 15:04.47 | elg | sjansen: so what does Options +Indexes FollowSymLinks SymLinksifOwnerMatch +ExecCGI mean? |
| 15:04.58 | elg | the two in the middle plus the two outside? |
| 15:05.19 | redbeard1 | /var/log/messages doesn't have anything |
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| 15:07.29 | sjansen | elg: Oo, never tried that. |
| 15:08.53 | redbeard1 | looks like i have allowoverride none, so .htaccess wouldn't work anyway |
| 15:09.11 | elg | sjansen: that's what he's got |
| 15:14.51 | redbeard1 | near as i can tell, everything is set up right. but apache 2 config always messes with me. |
| 15:14.55 | mheath | ah, good morning |
| 15:15.13 | elg | redbeard1: you did restart right? |
| 15:15.22 | elg | did you offend apache2? |
| 15:16.08 | mheath | ~praise the God's of Apache 2 |
| 15:16.10 | ibot | All hail the God's of Apache 2! |
| 15:16.28 | mheath | s/'//g |
| 15:17.04 | mheath | ~literal s/$blah/$foo/g |
| 15:17.09 | redbeard1 | elg: yes, several times |
| 15:17.23 | elg | redbeard1: did you reboot your sister's computer? |
| 15:17.27 | elg | sometimes you have to do that you know |
| 15:17.28 | redbeard1 | with the restart, and probably the offend too |
| 15:18.59 | redbeard1 | i can view the images in the directory by themselves, it's just that directory index thing |
| 15:20.21 | redbeard1 | what the... okay, sjansen, i really don't get the difference between Indexes and +Indexes, but apparently it's significant |
| 15:21.41 | elg | did you try putting + in front of those two middle ones? |
| 15:21.51 | redbeard1 | no, i removed the + from indexes |
| 15:23.09 | redbeard1 | i had +Indexes specifically set on that directory and it didn't work. but Indexes is fine. i get the index now. |
| 15:23.12 | elg | try putting it back and making sure everything has a plus or minus |
| 15:23.30 | elg | I wonder if the non-plussed ones make it ignore the plussed ones |
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| 15:24.24 | vontrapp | redbeard1: you said allowoverides was off? did you try putting it on? |
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| 15:24.39 | redbeard1 | vontrapp: it all works now. i just had to remove the + |
| 15:24.47 | redbeard1 | which still confuses me |
| 15:25.36 | elg | redbeard1: so what's the options line now? |
| 15:26.23 | redbeard1 | Options Indexes FollowSymLinks SymLinksifOwnerMatch +ExecCGI |
| 15:28.29 | redbeard1 | meeting, bbiab |
| 15:28.41 | redbeard1 | thanks for all your help guys |
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| 15:31.10 | elg | try Options +Indexes +FollowSymLinks +SymLinksifOwnerMatch +ExecCGI |
| 15:31.24 | elg | and/or try a cgi in there |
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| 15:37.59 | elg | ~trogdor Robdor |
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| 15:40.38 | mheath | BTW, if anyone here happens to be interested in photography, I have a nice SLR camera I'm trying to sell. |
| 15:41.32 | mheath | Digital controls and settings memory (_not_ a digital camera)...its a Canon T70. I have a nice lense on it, a whole bunch of filters, a camera bag, original manuals... |
| 15:41.39 | mheath | Trying for $150. |
| 15:48.31 | elg | anyone know in vim what it is that does this: |
| 15:48.36 | elg | foo(bar, |
| 15:48.47 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.58 | elg | (line up with paren) |
| 15:49.21 | elg | i want it to happen in c++ like it does in c but don't see what it is that does it |
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| 16:00.18 | tensai | elg: :set lineupincpluspluslikeitdoesinc |
| 16:05.08 | emcnabb | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8610362188397291938 |
| 16:05.51 | emcnabb | Worst music video ever |
| 16:06.31 | elg | tensai: haha |
| 16:06.45 | elg | actually, I'm wrong. it doesn't do it in C either. it does in ruby. time to look over the ruby vim files |
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| 16:18.06 | elg | looks like :set cino=(0 |
| 16:18.47 | elg | yup |
| 16:19.28 | Uncle_Jesse | Cool - just got a bunch of Yahoo schwag |
| 16:20.49 | elg | next time you're bored, read this http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/indent.html#C-indenting |
| 16:20.50 | brac | [Vim documentation: indent] |
| 16:21.32 | elg | my new cino line (for c/c++) is :0,g0,(0 |
| 16:22.46 | spr | emcnabb, much worse: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1189977381292772054&q=leonard+nimoy+bilbo+baggins |
| 16:23.34 | findlay | http://adfqe5tgq734t98q73333333lvqqqntv34nvqasergv87.com/q34ov8q73o487q344o |
| 16:23.49 | findlay | I'm sure if there were music on that site it would be awful |
| 16:28.38 | elg | spr: no way, the bilbo baggins ballad is awesome |
| 16:30.59 | mheath | Off to a double shift at work. I'll see you all in ~10 hrs |
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| 16:46.10 | spr | elg, but the video is so....so...disturbing. |
| 16:55.48 | emcnabb | spr: that's a classic... |
| 16:56.08 | emcnabb | time for yet another conference call |
| 17:03.16 | elg | spr: that's why it's awesome |
| 17:03.27 | elg | and it's funny that all the girls have funny ears but not leanard |
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| 17:09.46 | findlay | ibot: glad you're back. I wasn't sure if ibot_ was you. |
| 17:10.13 | findlay | ~ibot_ |
| 17:10.15 | ibot | hmm... ibot_ is not me |
| 17:13.32 | vontrapp | then starts it again |
| 17:15.32 | findlay | vontrapp is losing his memory? |
| 17:15.51 | findlay | redbeard1: excellent blog entry |
| 17:19.48 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - it didn't spam when gabe re-added my blog on openclue |
| 17:19.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I was expecting it to |
| 17:20.04 | elg | it probably will |
| 17:22.05 | findlay | the inevitable dupe |
| 17:24.17 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: if you didn't change any guids then it's fine, but any new entries will all spam at the top |
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| 17:25.07 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: guids I think changed - it went to an entirely new blogging system, from filesystem to a database backend |
| 17:25.26 | vontrapp | fun times then |
| 17:25.33 | Uncle_Jesse | heh |
| 17:25.48 | Uncle_Jesse | it's been a couple days and no spam so far :-) |
| 17:26.07 | vontrapp | hmm, maybe they got wise and sorted them by pubdate first |
| 17:26.20 | Uncle_Jesse | perhaps |
| 17:26.37 | vontrapp | or... maybe your _feed_ is b0rked!! |
| 17:26.41 | vontrapp | muahahaahaaa |
| 17:26.54 | Uncle_Jesse | feed works - got my last entry via rss fine |
| 17:27.09 | Uncle_Jesse | typo would have to be b0rked if my feed were b0rked |
| 17:27.20 | Uncle_Jesse | elg's feed would be b0rked too |
| 17:27.38 | Uncle_Jesse | sorry man |
| 17:28.09 | Uncle_Jesse | heh - I checked out the reviews on this $200 less camera than the one I bought at Dell and the reviews for the place were horrible |
| 17:28.13 | Uncle_Jesse | glad I didn't give in |
| 17:28.50 | vontrapp | anyone got a spare male-male db9 connector? |
| 17:29.04 | elg | um, you mean male-femail |
| 17:29.24 | vontrapp | nope, that would be male-female* converter |
| 17:29.34 | vontrapp | i said connector |
| 17:29.35 | elg | is this not for your receiver |
| 17:29.52 | vontrapp | i want to connect two males |
| 17:29.54 | sontek | I think I have one, i'll check on lunch |
| 17:29.59 | sontek | but you could grab one from radioshack |
| 17:30.02 | vontrapp | but you could look at it as converting one of them as well |
| 17:30.02 | sontek | for like $10 |
| 17:30.09 | elg | right, so you need to adapt one male to female |
| 17:30.11 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_ad/episode/0,1976,FOOD_9947_34295,00.html |
| 17:30.12 | brac | [TV : $40 a Day : Park City, UT : Food Network] |
| 17:30.25 | Uncle_Jesse | funny thing is, I've never heard of these places she visited |
| 17:30.36 | elg | you're not cultured |
| 17:30.38 | Uncle_Jesse | and I eat in PC every day |
| 17:30.58 | vontrapp | you haven't heard of park city? |
| 17:31.03 | vontrapp | rachel ray is on too much |
| 17:31.19 | vontrapp | or rather, she's on too early, i would much rather prefer her on at midnight and alton at 11:30 |
| 17:31.25 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I can't stand it when she goes, "mmmm...", with that smile she does |
| 17:31.54 | vontrapp | ~praise alton |
| 17:31.57 | ibot | All hail alton! |
| 17:32.25 | elg | rachel ray will own the food network someday |
| 17:33.19 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: her and Oprah |
| 17:33.36 | elg | oprah can own something else |
| 17:33.38 | elg | keep her awy |
| 17:33.50 | Uncle_Jesse | Oprah owns Rachel Ray |
| 17:35.00 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - backcountry was on cnn yesterday too |
| 17:35.14 | Uncle_Jesse | (we were in the New York Times as well) |
| 17:35.26 | vontrapp | would it be possible to make a fake interface that actually goes through whatever real interface is configured? |
| 17:35.39 | vontrapp | anytime i switch interfaces everything has to reconnect |
| 17:35.45 | elg | why do you say that? |
| 17:35.58 | vontrapp | because it's true |
| 17:36.16 | elg | i was talking to the guy who knows everything about rachel ray |
| 17:36.43 | elg | vontrapp: of course, because you get a different ip, right? |
| 17:36.48 | vontrapp | ~squeegee elg |
| 17:36.54 | vontrapp | i don't even get a different ip |
| 17:37.09 | vontrapp | hmm, maybe i do |
| 17:37.37 | elg | of course you do |
| 17:37.51 | elg | although you needn't, if you strongarm your dhcp server with enough talent |
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| 17:43.30 | vontrapp | hmm, would the router maybe still think that the wireless lease is still leased when the wireless just stops working? |
| 17:43.47 | vontrapp | i thought it did it off of hostname, but apparently it's by mac address |
| 17:44.42 | Uncle_Jesse | why does IE7 beta 3 not excite me? |
| 17:45.01 | Uncle_Jesse | it envokes more fear than excitement |
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| 17:47.45 | sjansen | Because you know that it means debugging for _yet another_ annoying half-complete, half-hearted implementation of standards Mozilla/KHTML/Opera already have solid? |
| 17:48.51 | sjansen | You need to adjust your attitude. Focus on the improvements. |
| 17:49.09 | maquis | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/30/1352212 <-- w00t! |
| 17:49.13 | elg | vontrapp: dhcp servers don't care if you're connected or not |
| 17:49.31 | elg | you get a lease, your lease is good for as long as you get it for |
| 17:49.40 | vontrapp | so... it will happily give me an address that another computer has? |
| 17:49.49 | maquis | Jayce^: do we get our bbq yet? |
| 17:50.02 | elg | if you're wondering why it doesn't give you a new lease, then yes it probably goes by mac address and probably can be told to go by client id with the right server/client combo |
| 17:50.23 | sjansen | vontrapp: Not if the other computer has a lease. (Unless you can be really convincing. Ie. reconfigure it.) |
| 17:50.28 | elg | vontrapp: no, it will happily not give you an address another computer has even if the other computer hasn't been connected for hours |
| 17:53.58 | sjansen | maquis: That is _so_ two days ago. But if you're just finding out now, you _must_ read the Judge's order. It's hilarious. |
| 17:55.00 | elg | maquis: have you been taking finals again? |
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| 17:56.17 | Uncle_Jesse | does this mean we can protest SCO again? |
| 17:58.30 | sjansen | Any day is a good day to protest SCO. Until they're dead and gone. Then you should just pour salt on their graves to commerate them. |
| 17:58.51 | Uncle_Jesse | I think we should bring attention to their idiocy again |
| 17:59.02 | sjansen | Think of the good things they did before Evil Darl turned Slow Caldera into Doomed SCO. |
| 17:59.03 | Uncle_Jesse | put them in front-page news |
| 17:59.36 | sjansen | Caldera was the first distro to include Tetris in the installer! |
| 17:59.44 | Uncle_Jesse | heh - I forgot about that |
| 17:59.54 | Uncle_Jesse | I still wear my caldera shirt to bed |
| 18:00.16 | Uncle_Jesse | "haven't washed it since" |
| 18:01.40 | Uncle_Jesse | all my crappy shirts become pajamas |
| 18:02.04 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: We don't need a large number of people protesting to get SCO on the front pages. We just need you to chain yourself to SCO's front door. |
| 18:02.21 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: yes! |
| 18:02.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I have a feeling I could get you all to chain me there against my will as it is |
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| 18:03.25 | vontrapp | what did i miss about sco protest? |
| 18:03.34 | vontrapp | ~honor sjansen |
| 18:04.18 | sjansen | vontrapp: We're all going to chain ourselves to SCO property. Because you stepped out for a moment, you've been elected to go first. You're supposed to chain yourself to Darl's car. |
| 18:04.33 | vontrapp | woopee |
| 18:07.03 | redbeard1 | findlay: which blog entry? |
| 18:08.49 | maquis | elg: i've been dating someone... does that count? |
| 18:08.50 | sjansen | redbeard1: the really good one |
| 18:08.51 | maquis | sjansen: will do |
| 18:09.16 | sjansen | redbeard1: you know, the one were you talk about food |
| 18:09.21 | redbeard1 | oh, right. that WAS a good one. |
| 18:09.26 | sjansen | Which reminds me.... |
| 18:09.34 | sjansen | ~thank Jayce^ for forcing redbeard1 to start blogging |
| 18:09.35 | ibot | sjansen: de rien |
| 18:09.52 | elg | ~congratulate sjansen |
| 18:09.53 | ibot | ACTION congratulates sjansen on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 18:10.00 | elg | ~congratulate maquis |
| 18:10.01 | ibot | ACTION congratulates maquis on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 18:11.27 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: what's your dig gnick? |
| 18:11.36 | Uncle_Jesse | heh - I said gnick |
| 18:12.37 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: I never saw any point wasting time contributing to digg, I just wasted time leaching it for infoporn hits. |
| 18:13.16 | Uncle_Jesse | there's no way of successfully contributing anyway unless you're in a select group of people |
| 18:13.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I had the first Google Checkout post, but *no*, did I get lots of diggs? |
| 18:14.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I got like 9 really quick, and then someone else posted a google checkout link and all the hits went there instead |
| 18:14.49 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: Did you see the comment on openclue about the social Web actually reducing net intelligence? |
| 18:15.06 | Uncle_Jesse | no - but makes sense |
| 18:15.31 | Uncle_Jesse | I think it's good, but needs some balance |
| 18:15.39 | sjansen | yup |
| 18:16.07 | Uncle_Jesse | news usually comes through there first, but you can't take all of it at point value |
| 18:16.14 | Uncle_Jesse | it's also become very liberally slanted lately |
| 18:16.44 | vontrapp | you could just be anti social and not worry about it |
| 18:17.14 | sjansen | Basically, the gist was that the social Web magnifies navel gazing. |
| 18:18.06 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: That's because all the conservatives are too busy oiling their guns to waste time in the InterWeb. |
| 18:18.14 | Uncle_Jesse | mmm...navels... |
| 18:19.59 | harleypig | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060629/od_nm/pakistan_bulb_dc "I don't know who did this to me. Police or other prisoners." |
| 18:24.59 | elg | "The doctor treating Mohammad said he'd never encountered anything like it before, and doubted the felon's story that someone had drugged him and inserted the bulb while he was comatose." |
| 18:25.03 | elg | um, so did he swallow it? |
| 18:25.15 | elg | or is he supposed to have put it there himself? |
| 18:25.47 | vontrapp | he thinks it was magic |
| 18:26.29 | Uncle_Jesse | I heard that this morning - that's hilarious |
| 18:26.30 | vontrapp | i hate it when packages are held back |
| 18:26.37 | vontrapp | it makes me feel, broken |
| 18:27.09 | vontrapp | or maybe it invokes a fear of dependency hell |
| 18:27.13 | Uncle_Jesse | after they removed it, everything was "back" to normal |
| 18:27.46 | vontrapp | and he wasn't such a "bright ass" anymore |
| 18:52.15 | findlay | is there a command line chat client? |
| 18:52.20 | findlay | like irssi? |
| 18:52.46 | findlay | like gaim, but for the command line? |
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| 19:05.36 | synic | centericq |
| 19:06.08 | synic | or bitlebee is another option |
| 19:22.40 | vontrapp | how would one simulate a link click using javascript? |
| 19:23.08 | elg | that depends on what 'link click' means to you |
| 19:23.14 | vontrapp | load a page |
| 19:23.30 | vontrapp | although i have the link i want to click |
| 19:23.40 | vontrapp | but "link.click()" tells me click is not a method |
| 19:26.00 | vontrapp | but i could do "loadPage(link);" |
| 19:26.15 | vontrapp | provided loadPage was a real function |
| 19:30.43 | vontrapp | c'mon guys, don't worry about me succombing to the evil javascript link, it's purely aesthetical |
| 19:31.03 | vontrapp | i'm just making the box surrounding the link do the same as the link itself |
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| 19:32.22 | vontrapp | no lost functionality (the user can still hover and see the link target, no javascript and it still works) but increased usability (larger clickable area) |
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| 20:01.06 | lars-ut | Any suggestions on a good brand for external 3.5: HDD enclosures? |
| 20:11.05 | findlay | redbeard1: your newest one |
| 20:11.38 | redbeard1 | findlay: i posted two today.. i assume you're talking about the universal one? |
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| 20:12.42 | findlay | oh, didn't see that one yet. I meant "Foods to Avoid" |
| 20:12.45 | findlay | (: |
| 20:12.56 | nick125_lappy | I got a quick networking question: would having two routes to the same destination with the same gateway, would that at all cause any packet loss? |
| 20:13.21 | redbeard1 | findlay: thanks. i had fun writing that one. |
| 20:13.28 | redbeard1 | nick125_lappy: i wouldn't think so |
| 20:13.55 | findlay | nick125_lappy: your packet and antipacket would collide and annialate each other in a brilliant flash of line noise. Can be very harmful to your network hardware |
| 20:14.08 | nick125_lappy | findlay: fun.. |
| 20:14.42 | findlay | do the '..' stand for 'ny'? |
| 20:15.02 | findlay | s/fun../funny/ |
| 20:15.13 | findlay | I knew it. I knew I was funny all along |
| 20:16.26 | tensai | maquis: don't expect a reply from Jayce^ any time soon. he's on vacation for the next week. |
| 20:16.46 | tensai | redbeard1: I tried to post a comment to your blog but the captcha was broken |
| 20:16.56 | redbeard1 | it was? grr... |
| 20:17.13 | tensai | I got a 403 or 404 on the captcha image and sound file |
| 20:17.22 | redbeard1 | which one did you try to comment on? |
| 20:18.02 | tensai | the one where you mentioned me |
| 20:18.30 | redbeard1 | it looks like it's working now. you wanna try again? |
| 20:18.43 | tensai | k. in a few |
| 20:18.46 | redbeard1 | k |
| 20:19.07 | redbeard1 | blogger has been a pain lately. actually, almost since day 1. |
| 20:19.34 | tensai | I guess that helps me decide that I don't want to migrate to blogger |
| 20:20.29 | tensai | I'm still getting a 404 on the captcha |
| 20:20.40 | tensai | http://www.blogger.com/captcha?type=IMAGE&captchaKey=1akvikb6ufx0u |
| 20:21.11 | redbeard1 | yeah, don't do blogger |
| 20:21.23 | redbeard1 | i'm looking for a replacement these days |
| 20:22.03 | tensai | me too. drupal on my wimpy box in my house isn't cutting it. I need to get a linode. |
| 20:22.17 | nick125_lappy | UML I/O sucks though |
| 20:22.57 | tensai | can't be worse than this trashy server of mine |
| 20:23.17 | nick125_lappy | xen-based VPSes usually have way better performance |
| 20:23.26 | nick125_lappy | or, hell, even vz-based |
| 20:24.00 | nick125_lappy | vz is evil though. it allows for the resellers to go and do some nasty overselling |
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| 20:26.10 | redbeard1 | hey neybar |
| 20:26.17 | emcnabb | hey neybar |
| 20:27.01 | findlay | ~welcome neybar |
| 20:27.03 | ibot | [all in unison] Hi, neybar! |
| 20:38.52 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/pcb.jpg |
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| 20:39.07 | tensai | see anything weird about that circuit board |
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| 20:41.34 | jsmith | tensai: You're not referring to the green wire, are you? |
| 20:41.51 | tensai | jsmith: yes |
| 20:42.01 | jsmith | tensai: Unfortunately, that happens all the time. |
| 20:42.13 | jsmith | tensai: Mistake in the pcb, fixed with a wiremod. |
| 20:43.00 | tensai | first time for me, but I guess I don't take a lot of ciscos apart |
| 20:44.27 | jsmith | It looks ugly, but it's a whole lot cheaper than making another run of circuit boards |
| 20:49.16 | Uncle_Jesse | Is it just me, or are geeks naturally drawn to cooking? |
| 20:50.37 | sontek | I'm drawn to cooking but the doing dishes part pulls me away from it |
| 20:51.05 | tensai | we did an informal survey once and found geeks were also quite drawn to music |
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| 21:01.16 | lars-ut | Think I found my external hdd/enclosure solution... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144235 |
| 21:02.24 | lars-ut | and for the enclosure... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144235 |
| 21:02.56 | lars-ut | $110.39 total |
| 21:03.14 | lars-ut | That'll give me 250GB of storage |
| 21:04.58 | Supaplex | that's just enough for my tivo |
| 21:07.09 | elg | -weather |
| 21:07.10 | brac | 32 minutes ago, on Fri Jun 30 20:35:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.57 meters per second (5.75 miles per hour) from the West at KPVU. The temperature was 29 degrees Celsius (84 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1019 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 30.7%. The sky was clear. |
| 21:07.15 | elg | -weather klru |
| 21:07.15 | brac | 36 minutes ago, on Fri Jun 30 20:31:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the South at KLRU. The temperature was 33 degrees Celsius (91 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1019 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 27.9%. The sky was clear. |
| 21:07.45 | Uncle_Jesse | my watch calls for rain |
| 21:08.43 | Uncle_Jesse | barometric pressure in PC is currently 808 mbar/hPa |
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| 21:09.10 | Uncle_Jesse | at 6317 ft |
| 21:10.38 | Uncle_Jesse | temp is 85.8 deg. f |
| 21:11.10 | tensai | stinkin' kids and their button pushing fingers |
| 21:11.22 | Uncle_Jesse | but that's with my watch attached to my arm - it's more accurate when it's not attached |
| 21:11.34 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: who, me? |
| 21:11.58 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: no, mine. he likes to push the power button on my server |
| 21:12.29 | Uncle_Jesse | my kids love to do that too, especially my toddler |
| 21:12.39 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: what's the point of a watch feature that has to be detached from your warm? |
| 21:12.41 | elg | er, arm |
| 21:12.48 | Uncle_Jesse | my other kids just put their sticky fingers on my keyboard and make it all, well, sticky |
| 21:13.07 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: not many are accurate when attached to the arm |
| 21:13.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I imagine it could be done, but it would somehow have to know your body temp at all times |
| 21:13.22 | elg | my watch is perfectly accurate |
| 21:13.25 | elg | arm or no |
| 21:13.35 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: does it give the temp? |
| 21:14.11 | tensai | redbeard1: I was looking at the calorie count on oreos and zingers. no wonder it's called junk food. |
| 21:14.35 | elg | it gives the time. when I look at it |
| 21:14.37 | tensai | ~smack Uncle_Jesse |
| 21:14.38 | ibot | ACTION smacks Uncle_Jesse upside the head. |
| 21:16.02 | Uncle_Jesse | hey - beats a lightbulb |
| 21:16.06 | elg | so I'm trying to play chess with this program's voice recognition |
| 21:16.20 | elg | and they didn't bother to program it to accept algebraic notation |
| 21:16.30 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: is that your mac? |
| 21:16.43 | elg | you have to say "pawn e 2 to e 4" |
| 21:16.56 | elg | instead of just e 4 |
| 21:17.28 | Uncle_Jesse | I played with the voice rec. functionality on my old mac when I had it - tried it out with chess first |
| 21:17.36 | Uncle_Jesse | that's a lot of fun |
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| 21:27.47 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 21:28.14 | maquis | -forwardlart tensai |
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| 22:21.30 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 22:30.48 | vontrapp | is there a program that will resolve an domain and print out _only_ the ip address? |
| 22:30.58 | vontrapp | or do i have to script it? |
| 22:31.32 | vontrapp | e.g. "ip route get `resolve newegg.com`" |
| 22:35.41 | tensai | vontrapp: I think the latter |
| 22:41.03 | vontrapp | i'm gonna have bad dreams about "spacer.gif" |
| 22:59.06 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: you'd like our websites - most are nice and clean :-) |
| 22:59.23 | findlay | ~table vontrapp |
| 23:02.06 | Uncle_Jesse | and getting cleaner... |
| 23:02.15 | Uncle_Jesse | (that's been my big job lately) |
| 23:04.07 | vontrapp | uh oh, nasty hour is approaching |
| 23:04.20 | vontrapp | better plug in the cable |
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| 23:33.02 | findlay | wow, dcop is cool |
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