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| 03:09.28 | QBFreak | kelly blue book only goes back 20 years :( |
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| 03:11.33 | QBFreak | looking at an 83 truck, I pick 86 on the site, the most expensive options I can find, excelent condidtion, still less than half the asking price |
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| 03:33.48 | mheath | Ugh! |
| 03:34.28 | mheath | I setup the fingerprint reader for my sister |
| 03:34.41 | mheath | Didn't tell her the password, but made it so she could log onto the computer with her fingerprint |
| 03:35.10 | mheath | The idea being, she'd leave the laptop at the dockign station (where the fingerprint reader is) to use it, while I'm gone |
| 03:35.19 | mheath | I severely underestimated her intelligence, apparently. |
| 03:35.35 | mheath | They took the fingerprint reader and the laptop upstairs.... |
| 03:35.48 | mheath | Log in, then decide they want to set their own password. They change _mine_, so i can't log in. |
| 03:36.57 | mheath | The problem is, this is a Windows XP box |
| 03:37.17 | mheath | so I can't change my password, because it wants the current password to chang eit |
| 03:38.24 | mheath | ooh |
| 03:38.29 | mheath | ~praise Fingerprint reader |
| 03:38.32 | ibot | All hail Fingerprint reader! |
| 03:38.34 | mheath | Stops me from getting locked out |
| 03:44.26 | tensai | mheath: there are winnt password recovery boot disks out there |
| 03:44.51 | mheath | tensai, I know. But i have my fingerprint reader :) |
| 03:44.58 | mheath | It can log me in by fingerprint, regardless of the password. |
| 03:45.02 | mheath | I figured it out |
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| 03:53.18 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 03:54.47 | mheath | I need to get my brother to go with me to get fourth of july fireworks... |
| 03:54.51 | mheath | I love this country. |
| 03:54.52 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 03:54.55 | mheath | I'm IN the freakin marine corp |
| 03:55.05 | mheath | I'm going to be _issued_ an M16A4 in a bit |
| 03:55.20 | mheath | But I can't buy freakin fireworks to celebrate the 4th |
| 03:55.46 | tensai | so you can't light your money on fire. you're better off. |
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| 04:02.37 | elg | ~smack tensai |
| 04:02.39 | ibot | ACTION smacks tensai upside the head. |
| 04:03.09 | tensai | ~empty elg's bank account |
| 04:07.14 | tensai | -ping |
| 04:07.15 | brac | pong |
| 04:10.32 | mheath | Jayce^, are you around? |
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| 05:00.30 | herlo | ahh, decriptor, welcome to the very lame party, the party that ends at 11pm, the #utah party... |
| 05:00.41 | decriptor | :) |
| 05:00.45 | herlo | okay, j/k, never serious.... |
| 05:00.56 | decriptor | Glad I could make |
| 05:00.57 | decriptor | it |
| 05:01.02 | decriptor | I haven't been in here in months |
| 05:01.37 | herlo | decriptor: Yeah, I noticed, I tend to wonder about that sort of thing. Thought you might be like Gabe or Jordy |
| 05:01.56 | decriptor | ? in what sense |
| 05:02.17 | herlo | they never come in irc unless urged on by others |
| 05:02.53 | decriptor | oh |
| 05:03.04 | herlo | howya been, btw |
| 05:03.07 | decriptor | I was a reg for a little while but I've been really busy lately |
| 05:03.14 | decriptor | busy :) |
| 05:03.18 | herlo | welcome to the club... |
| 05:03.25 | herlo | the busy club, that is |
| 05:03.36 | decriptor | i have two/three jobs plus a class this summer |
| 05:04.35 | mheath | I have 9 more weeks here |
| 05:04.41 | mheath | then I won't be on for months |
| 05:04.56 | herlo | decriptor: wow |
| 05:05.37 | mheath | ~lart herlo |
| 05:05.47 | decriptor | the one job is pretty slow but I might cut the one and shift the hours to the other |
| 05:06.11 | herlo | ~travolta mheath |
| 05:06.14 | ibot | ACTION replaces mheath with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 05:06.23 | herlo | decriptor: what jobs? |
| 05:06.49 | herlo | decriptor: let me rephrase, what are your jobs? |
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| 05:07.33 | decriptor | one is writing an application in C# ( yes I know) and the other is QA |
| 05:07.43 | decriptor | the others are side IT stuff here and there on linux |
| 05:07.56 | mheath | bah, how boring! |
| 05:08.04 | mheath | :) |
| 05:08.24 | herlo | decriptor: seems like you are keeping your IT skills in check |
| 05:08.41 | decriptor | somewhat |
| 05:08.42 | herlo | decriptor: do you like being a UVLUG Trustee? |
| 05:09.01 | decriptor | its summer so I'm trying to make up for the money lose this fall when my next kid arrives |
| 05:09.01 | herlo | not that there is much to do yet? |
| 05:09.08 | decriptor | I haven't had to do anything yet |
| 05:09.13 | decriptor | :) |
| 05:09.14 | herlo | decriptor: how many is that now? |
| 05:09.20 | decriptor | this will be the second |
| 05:09.29 | herlo | cool, how old/type is the other? |
| 05:09.40 | herlo | type = color |
| 05:09.43 | herlo | just kidding |
| 05:09.47 | herlo | :-D |
| 05:10.17 | decriptor | if( first; type = boy) else ( second; type = girl ) |
| 05:10.33 | decriptor | hows your little boy doing |
| 05:10.57 | herlo | he's good, mom moved him away to California |
| 05:11.04 | decriptor | that sucks |
| 05:11.13 | herlo | He's coming back this coming weekend so we can go camping and spend 5 days together... |
| 05:11.21 | herlo | yeah, I miss him a lot |
| 05:11.27 | mheath | how old is he? |
| 05:11.31 | herlo | ~lart Shaun's Mom for being stupid |
| 05:11.44 | herlo | mheath: 6yrs |
| 05:11.52 | mheath | Ah. |
| 05:11.55 | decriptor | why did she move |
| 05:11.58 | herlo | decriptor: I really am excited for him to come back |
| 05:12.02 | herlo | decriptor: She's selfish |
| 05:12.38 | decriptor | that's lame |
| 05:12.45 | herlo | decriptor: Her family lives there, and her main argument was that "she" has wanted to go back there for years. What about my son, what about him!!! |
| 05:13.08 | herlo | Now he's 700 miles away from one of us at any time, that really sucks... |
| 05:13.12 | decriptor | yeah once you have a kid you have to give up somethings in life |
| 05:13.28 | decriptor | so is she going to fit the bill for transportation |
| 05:13.51 | decriptor | that's good |
| 05:13.57 | herlo | except on normal visiting days, then its 1/2 each |
| 05:14.05 | decriptor | I'd be even more pissed if I had to pay for it |
| 05:14.06 | herlo | holidays and summer vacation, she pays all |
| 05:14.52 | herlo | problem is, she has no money, can't pay for it much at all, so I sacrifice my hard earned money to get him here, or I fly there so I can see him... |
| 05:15.07 | decriptor | I'd be pissed |
| 05:15.16 | herlo | and of course she moves to California where the prices are at least double for everything |
| 05:15.28 | herlo | stupid stupid witch (with a capital B) |
| 05:15.37 | decriptor | :) |
| 05:15.49 | herlo | decriptor: trust me I hold my emotions in check because I have too... |
| 05:16.01 | decriptor | have you looked into jetblue I don't know where in Cali they fly, but they are cheaper |
| 05:16.09 | decriptor | I can believe it |
| 05:16.53 | decriptor | are you going to the geek dinner tomorrow |
| 05:16.57 | herlo | true, it is cheaper, problem is that it costs an extra fee because he would be a minor traveling on his own |
| 05:17.06 | herlo | decriptor: Im in KC, can't |
| 05:17.07 | decriptor | oh |
| 05:17.16 | herlo | would love to though |
| 05:17.17 | decriptor | and oh again |
| 05:17.34 | herlo | decriptor: check out this site http://www.utos.org |
| 05:19.35 | decriptor | sweet I have something I've been wanting to work on for a long time that would go right along with that |
| 05:19.51 | herlo | cool, make sure you check out the wiki too |
| 05:20.14 | decriptor | I talked to rob about getting the old uvlug server back to use it for my project since I don't have any other machines and then host/donate it back to the community |
| 05:20.44 | decriptor | wow didn't catch that before |
| 05:21.23 | herlo | decriptor: what? |
| 05:21.27 | decriptor | thats cool I'm completely behind you on that one |
| 05:21.30 | decriptor | the wiki |
| 05:21.56 | herlo | decriptor: most of that is actually from our meeting we had tonight... |
| 05:22.29 | decriptor | what meeting? on IRC ? |
| 05:22.33 | herlo | I had some stuff there earlier, then lars-ut-away and Kuyaedz and atoponce helped us converse about ideas and all of the sudden, we had a great site |
| 05:22.47 | herlo | decriptor: yes, irc...its at the top of the mainpage |
| 05:22.51 | herlo | on the wiki |
| 05:23.15 | decriptor | oh crap I didn't even know you were doing tha t |
| 05:23.57 | herlo | decriptor: its fairly new, been getting people involved as I talk to them...why what's your project? |
| 05:26.13 | herlo | decriptor: another thing is that I wanna recharter the UTOSC stuff, but I need to be very considerate of those who already have a stake in it... |
| 05:26.28 | decriptor | ? |
| 05:26.37 | decriptor | what is UTOSC |
| 05:26.38 | herlo | Utah Open Source Coalition |
| 05:26.45 | decriptor | dead or alive? |
| 05:26.50 | decriptor | whos in it |
| 05:26.51 | herlo | When you get time, ask Gabe or Jayce about it... |
| 05:27.07 | herlo | decriptor: don't know, seems defunct at the moment, but I wanna bring it back |
| 05:27.52 | decriptor | the rules of open source if it appears dead email them, if sufficent effort put in and nothing comes back you are welcome to take it over |
| 05:28.19 | herlo | decriptor: I know that, I wanna get the utos project off the ground first however... |
| 05:28.42 | decriptor | oh ok |
| 05:28.47 | herlo | reviving the UTOSC stuff is more to make it congeal better...for lack of a better term |
| 05:29.33 | decriptor | the project that I want to get going is to create a Utah forge of sorts for all open source projects that come out of Utah |
| 05:30.22 | decriptor | I have the bandwidth to do it to a certain point this would also hopefully get more people interested in programming and contributing to open source |
| 05:30.23 | herlo | well, this might just be the place. lars-ut-away and Kuyaedz were talking about creating some sort of major/minor project at the conference... |
| 05:30.36 | herlo | maybe your project could sponsor it.. |
| 05:30.39 | decriptor | cool |
| 05:30.52 | herlo | just noticed you pm'd me |
| 05:31.01 | decriptor | It would take me a week or so once I got a box to use to get it up and running |
| 05:31.24 | decriptor | i have the software, just not the hardware to host it for right now |
| 05:31.28 | decriptor | thats ok |
| 05:31.29 | herlo | well UTOS 48 isn't until 2007 |
| 05:31.56 | decriptor | I've been wanting to get this up for a couple years now, just didn't have the time or hardware |
| 05:32.36 | herlo | and now? |
| 05:33.22 | decriptor | niether, but I really want to get moving on this |
| 05:33.54 | herlo | well, I think its a great project idea, if I had a box to donate, you'd be at the top of my list |
| 05:34.05 | decriptor | thanks |
| 05:34.27 | decriptor | I might have a decent one, but I have to clean it off including the person that is using it without paying |
| 05:34.46 | herlo | hosting service? |
| 05:34.55 | herlo | is that what you are, but for free? |
| 05:35.12 | decriptor | yes/no |
| 05:35.16 | decriptor | I do some hosting |
| 05:35.22 | herlo | cool |
| 05:35.22 | mheath | Why would someone want to go to a Utah-specific software forge? What does that offer, over a big thing like SourceForge? |
| 05:35.24 | decriptor | but I try not to do it for free |
| 05:35.35 | decriptor | what you said |
| 05:35.44 | herlo | ~kick mheath |
| 05:35.47 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 05:35.51 | herlo | ~thwap mheath |
| 05:35.53 | ibot | ACTION thwaps mheath on the nose with a 2 by 4 |
| 05:36.00 | mheath | Seriously |
| 05:36.02 | decriptor | a small one for utah people and anyone else that cares big thing like sourceforge scares off new people |
| 05:36.14 | herlo | decriptor: make money where you can, there are so many opportunities |
| 05:36.43 | decriptor | mheath: I understand what you are talking about though |
| 05:36.50 | mheath | An automatic, clean, simple registration and reliable service scares off people, but a tiny little thing run on one generic computer by a guy in Utah encourags them? |
| 05:36.58 | herlo | mheath: the value I see is that its local, local people working on local projects. Maybe this could be something that could be similar in scope to what UOSP has accomplished in utah |
| 05:37.15 | herlo | mheath, if you don't like it, shut up |
| 05:37.51 | decriptor | that's the idea, a focused group. I first wanted to do it for UVSC |
| 05:38.07 | mheath | herlo, information isn't local. Stuff done locally shouldn't be kept local. |
| 05:38.20 | herlo | decriptor: Maybe you could provide some sort added services... |
| 05:38.30 | mheath | Theres no element of it that makes anything programmed in Utah fundamentally Utahnian. |
| 05:38.34 | decriptor | I don't care to offer the forge for money |
| 05:38.39 | herlo | mheath: shut your cake hole, you're not helping |
| 05:38.57 | decriptor | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.17 | herlo | decriptor: wasn't suggesting you'd make money off of it, in fact the added service would be something that only local people could use |
| 05:39.18 | mheath | herlo, Because I ask some questions that are hard to answer about something that could just be a huge waste of time? |
| 05:39.21 | decriptor | more form schools and side projects that no one cares to put on sourceforge |
| 05:39.41 | herlo | mheath: its not a huge waste of time, if one person learns from this project, is it a waste of time? |
| 05:39.42 | decriptor | I don't see how learning is a waste of time |
| 05:39.44 | herlo | absolutely not |
| 05:40.22 | mheath | I had an idea once for a wiki-source type thing... |
| 05:40.29 | herlo | decriptor: maybe providing local ssh access or honeypot scripts to test with would be good idea.... |
| 05:40.34 | decriptor | I don't know that they are hard questions, valid as they might be if you don't care for it or want know about it well don't |
| 05:40.36 | mheath | 100% anonymously editable CVS... |
| 05:40.44 | decriptor | you won't hurt my feelings |
| 05:41.34 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 05:48.04 | mheath | I was thinking of going to Walmart and buying some paintball gear. |
| 05:48.44 | mheath | Problem is, Walmart won't let me buy said gear until I'm 18. |
| 05:48.51 | mheath | I find that freakin' rediculous. |
| 05:49.46 | mheath | Like I said: I am officially in the United States Marine Corps. I am Private First Class Heath, United States Marine Corps Reserve. I'm going to be issued a freakin' M16A4 in a few weeks, but I can't buy a paintball gun? |
| 05:50.10 | decriptor | Gotta love America |
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| 05:54.59 | vontrapp | anyone know where a good diy serial->usb guide is? |
| 05:55.26 | maquis | why is it so *beep*-ing hot tonight? |
| 05:56.32 | vontrapp | maquis: good question |
| 05:56.44 | herlo | ~weather 84663 |
| 05:56.55 | herlo | ~weather 84601 |
| 05:56.56 | vontrapp | -weather kpvu |
| 05:56.57 | brac | 22 minutes ago, on Thu Jun 29 05:35:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.06 meters per second (4.60 miles per hour) from the East at KPVU. The temperature was 22 degrees Celsius (72 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1020 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 43.5%. The sky was clear. |
| 05:57.09 | herlo | ~weather kbyu |
| 05:57.22 | herlo | hmm, nothing good in Utah Valley? |
| 05:57.38 | vontrapp | kpvu is provo airport |
| 05:57.44 | herlo | vontrapp: thanx |
| 05:58.06 | herlo | I keep doing it the google way |
| 06:03.45 | levi | Heh, the latest flamewar on plug makes me laugh. |
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| 06:10.18 | levi | All the baseless thread and IDE advocacy... |
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| 06:51.42 | bonez41 | anyone around at this hour? |
| 07:27.45 | Uncle_Jesse | http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_officially_launches_GBuy |
| 07:27.48 | Uncle_Jesse | digg away |
| 07:28.14 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm biased though - we're quoted in the article |
| 07:29.18 | Uncle_Jesse | wow - this one's going up fast. I may just make front page :-) |
| 07:32.42 | bonez41 | Uncle_Jesse, is this something you are helping create? |
| 07:33.34 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez41: I had a part in it, yes - didn't create much though. It's mainly posting a link on your site and following Google's directions |
| 07:35.24 | Uncle_Jesse | We were one of a select few vendors involved though |
| 07:35.37 | Uncle_Jesse | couldn't reveal the date until today |
| 07:52.22 | bonez41 | very cool! |
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| 11:53.32 | ^Migs^ | whoa, since when does Google Personalized Homepage have games? |
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| 13:31.54 | nick125_lappy | mmm...weechat is nice.. |
| 13:32.29 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 13:33.30 | nick125_lappy | that's not hard -_- |
| 13:38.41 | elg | and I showed it about 50 times slower than a C program to start up |
| 13:38.45 | elg | for hello world |
| 13:44.33 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
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| 15:00.38 | elg | gah, is it thursday already? |
| 15:00.47 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 15:01.17 | goozbach | so anyone have any experence with dell's remote management card? |
| 15:01.29 | goozbach | eg their answer to HP's iLo |
| 15:01.37 | tensai | goozbach: jsmith has, iirc |
| 15:01.56 | elg | goozbach: I've used it |
| 15:01.59 | elg | but not configured it |
| 15:03.52 | ^Migs^ | omgholidaynextweek |
| 15:04.28 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you talkign about the DRAC? |
| 15:05.33 | goozbach | no, just the BMC |
| 15:07.40 | goozbach | I just started playing with it |
| 15:07.45 | goozbach | it's pretty cool |
| 15:07.56 | goozbach | just watched my system boot over https |
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| 15:24.15 | mheath | Jayce^, around? |
| 15:24.43 | Jayce^ | around something.. |
| 15:25.42 | mheath | Jayce^, could you recommend a paintball gun for me? |
| 15:25.42 | tensai | nah, I'd say Jayce^ is more square |
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| 15:25.56 | mheath | Looking for something in the ~$150 price range |
| 15:25.57 | Jayce^ | mheath, price? |
| 15:26.04 | Jayce^ | tippman 98 |
| 15:26.21 | Jayce^ | rock solid, excellent quality.. decent performance |
| 15:26.33 | mheath | Something I can play with now and then....as nice as the rental guns, just something I can own and have with me when the occasional opportunity to play paintball arises |
| 15:26.33 | Jayce^ | no fancy electronics or anything, but it won't fail on you |
| 15:26.49 | mheath | Jayce^, where could I pick one up, locally? |
| 15:27.19 | Jayce^ | they have cheap kits with them at wal-mart, cabelas, etc. Of course peg-leg will give a good warranty |
| 15:27.37 | Jayce^ | do *not* buy paint at wal-mart or similar stores (it'll suck) |
| 15:27.47 | Jayce^ | only pegleg or real paintball shops |
| 15:27.58 | mheath | I don't plan to buy paint there, at least now. |
| 15:28.03 | Jayce^ | but the other stores have the 98's in kits, or on their own, for around that much |
| 15:28.14 | mheath | I'll have to get my sister to come with me to Walmart -.- |
| 15:28.23 | Jayce^ | it's a basic gun, fires well and won't break |
| 15:28.38 | Jayce^ | you'll see a lot of viewloader/JT/spyders at that price range.. |
| 15:28.41 | mheath | I'm in the freakin' marine corp. I'm old enough to be issued a real run, and to die for my country.....but not old enough to buy a freakin paintball gun |
| 15:28.58 | Jayce^ | some spyders are ok, but most of those class guns are very prone to breaking, brass parts that will fail fast |
| 15:29.33 | Jayce^ | they have spiffy looking features, but won't work for long.. |
| 15:29.48 | goozbach | if you are planning on Really getting into paintball in the future go with the Tippman 98 custom |
| 15:30.08 | goozbach | it's more futureproof than the regular 98 |
| 15:30.15 | mheath | Whats the difference between the 98 and the 98 custom, price wise? |
| 15:30.26 | Jayce^ | mheath, not much, most places only sell the custom now anyways |
| 15:30.27 | goozbach | ohh I forget |
| 15:30.37 | goozbach | not enought that it bothered me |
| 15:30.48 | Jayce^ | very very similar, but the custom is better... |
| 15:31.02 | Jayce^ | and now their is the Custom Pro (has a few of the upgrades in it already) |
| 15:31.12 | goozbach | BTW Jayce^ I just ordered a drop-forward |
| 15:31.28 | Jayce^ | goozbach, excellent, I love those, good balance |
| 15:31.31 | mheath | Jayce^, are there any guns that simulate rifles? |
| 15:31.41 | goozbach | I think next month I'm gonna go N2 |
| 15:31.41 | Jayce^ | mheath, the 98 is what I got my wife, because it's that solid |
| 15:31.56 | Jayce^ | mheath, yes, most are just kits on existing guns (often tippmans) |
| 15:32.01 | Jayce^ | but usually cost more |
| 15:32.04 | herlo | goozbach: N2? |
| 15:32.05 | goozbach | what does the pro add? |
| 15:32.09 | goozbach | nitrogen |
| 15:32.10 | mheath | Considering that I'm going to get an immense amount of training with rifles, I was thinking that I'd be more comfortable with something larger than smaller |
| 15:32.18 | goozbach | compressed air as opposed to CO2 |
| 15:32.27 | mheath | Again, this is just casual play.... |
| 15:32.35 | goozbach | mheath: buy the stock for your 98 |
| 15:32.40 | Jayce^ | goozbach, check their site, things like the double trigger, drop forward, etc |
| 15:32.50 | mheath | Just seems that once or so a month I get the opportunity to play paintball...... |
| 15:32.58 | mheath | Just be nice to have a gun of my own |
| 15:32.59 | Jayce^ | mheath, www.specialopspaintball.com for a few fun ones |
| 15:33.06 | Jayce^ | and add-ons to mil-sim your stuff |
| 15:33.33 | herlo | goozbach: makes sense, was thinking in a different context... |
| 15:33.35 | mheath | Jayce^, The Tippman 98....how does that compare with typical rental gear? |
| 15:34.09 | Jayce^ | mheath, often that is what is used for rental, because they don't break... but the rental's are often 5 or so years old, and have been severly mistreated |
| 15:34.23 | Jayce^ | for $150 you are kinda limited... that's one of the best you can get... |
| 15:34.40 | Jayce^ | you could possibly get an Ion, which is a great speedball style gun |
| 15:34.45 | Jayce^ | some electronics and stuff |
| 15:34.55 | Jayce^ | but you'll find yourself firing a lot more, and working on it some |
| 15:35.04 | Jayce^ | still, far better quality than spyders and such |
| 15:35.34 | Jayce^ | but you are more likely to be ~200 for a decent one. |
| 15:35.46 | Jayce^ | and if you need extra stuff (mask, gloves, neck gear, hopper) |
| 15:35.52 | Jayce^ | you *must* have a mask.. |
| 15:36.00 | Jayce^ | gloves and neck protector are nice |
| 15:36.08 | Jayce^ | most kits will come with a hopper |
| 15:36.16 | Jayce^ | but going to an electronic hopper is nice |
| 15:36.30 | mheath | Jayce^, like I said, this is just for occasional play |
| 15:36.37 | mheath | I don't even really play that much at all |
| 15:36.43 | Jayce^ | then 98 |
| 15:36.48 | mheath | It just seems that, every month or so, the opportunity presents itself |
| 15:36.50 | Jayce^ | very hard to screw it up |
| 15:37.01 | mheath | I just want a decent gun at a nice price to have for myself |
| 15:37.33 | Jayce^ | under 200 you can get a basic kit with a c02 tank, 98 (custom, just look for the words on the side of the gun), basic mask (non-thermal), and a barrel plug |
| 15:37.37 | Jayce^ | and a hopper |
| 15:37.57 | mheath | I actually have a basic mask already.... |
| 15:38.02 | Jayce^ | you can find a kit with all that from the 160 - 200 range at quite a few places around here |
| 15:38.32 | mheath | Will Walmart sell 98 Custom's alone? |
| 15:38.41 | mheath | so I could buy the parts individually |
| 15:38.41 | Jayce^ | probably not, they only have the kits |
| 15:38.49 | Jayce^ | cabelas has them alone, so will pegleg of course |
| 15:39.00 | Jayce^ | peg will have a fair price for it |
| 15:39.13 | mheath | no idea where any of them are |
| 15:39.18 | Jayce^ | if you have the cash, going to a thermal lens in your mask is well worth it |
| 15:39.28 | Jayce^ | mheath, they have one in west valley, just check their site |
| 15:39.41 | mheath | *Ogden |
| 15:40.41 | Jayce^ | there is a place up there, cant' remember the name.. |
| 15:40.54 | Jayce^ | well, I know SpecialOps has there store up there too |
| 15:40.57 | Jayce^ | find them |
| 15:41.17 | Jayce^ | they have them (and lots of very very upgraded/customized ones too) |
| 15:42.08 | mheath | ooh, collapsable stock for the 98c |
| 15:42.16 | mheath | reminds me of the m4... |
| 15:42.50 | mheath | 16 inch barallel. |
| 15:43.05 | mheath | man, I have to be careful |
| 15:43.16 | mheath | I know that once I get to the store, I'll start shelling out money |
| 15:44.20 | tewk | I'm going to get iProvo in the next week or so, any preferences between veracity and MStar? I'm leaning toward MStar, cheaper. |
| 15:45.41 | tewk | I've got a myth box, had anyone had success joining the multiple tv multicast groups from their computer on iprovo? |
| 15:48.30 | mheath | actually, I think I know where theres a paintball shop.....hmmmm. |
| 15:48.56 | mheath | Jayce^, Are paintball shop people usually pretty good/honest/knowledgeable? |
| 15:49.16 | mheath | Like, if i go in and tell them I know next to nothing about paintball and my price range, could they hook me up? |
| 15:49.46 | Jayce^ | mheath, depends on which one, most the pegleg guys are |
| 15:50.01 | mheath | turns out the shop I was thinking of _is_ pegleg |
| 15:50.06 | atoponce | mheath: check out millenium paintball |
| 15:50.15 | atoponce | i know the owner, and he is as square as they come |
| 15:50.32 | atoponce | in fact, i bought his house |
| 15:50.37 | Jayce^ | atoponce, millenium, that's who I was thinking of... we've played them a few times... |
| 15:50.48 | Jayce^ | they host some of our scenarios |
| 15:50.52 | atoponce | alan turner. good guy |
| 15:51.07 | mheath | Alan Turner? Sounds really familiar. |
| 15:51.34 | atoponce | he used to run the paintball shop out of his home, but he has since moved it to layton |
| 15:52.21 | mheath | Why do I have to have an 'adult' with me? Thats freakin' rediculous |
| 15:54.08 | macnewbold | an adult with you to go play, or to go get equipment? |
| 15:54.39 | mheath | macnewbold, to buy the equipment. |
| 15:55.09 | mheath | macnewbold, don't you love a country that will issue me a real gun and let me die defending it, but doesn't trust me to buy my own paintball gear (or fireworks -.-) ? |
| 15:55.57 | atoponce | mheath: getting a real gun from the military doesn't say much. they sell them to cartel also... |
| 15:56.08 | macnewbold | fireworks? I thought you only had to be 16 to get those? |
| 15:56.10 | macnewbold | or is it 18 now? |
| 15:56.13 | mheath | 18. |
| 15:56.16 | mheath | I believe, at least. |
| 15:56.17 | macnewbold | wow |
| 15:56.29 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@68.143.19.218.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 15:56.36 | macnewbold | I got carded once buying a martinelli's sparkling apple cider (it's non-alcoholic) |
| 15:56.46 | macnewbold | but then I realized it was for the can of spray paint I was buying |
| 15:57.24 | macnewbold | once while I was dating my wife (we were both over 18) they attempted to card me to buy tickets to a pg-13 movie... |
| 15:57.36 | mheath | heh |
| 15:57.47 | mheath | see, I look old enough that I can _pass_ for 21, if I needed to |
| 15:57.52 | elg | yeah, I'm a married 12 year old |
| 15:57.57 | macnewbold | and I have the opposite problem |
| 15:58.01 | mheath | (I'd still get carded, but I look old enough they wouldn't be suspicious) |
| 15:58.11 | macnewbold | I'm 28 now, but could pass for under 21, maybe under 18 |
| 15:58.28 | Jayce^ | first time my MIL met me, she thought I was 16, max... |
| 15:58.33 | macnewbold | though I'm getting some gray hair, which if they notice it always throws them off |
| 15:58.41 | elg | Jayce^: you were, weren't you? |
| 15:58.42 | Jayce^ | I was 21 |
| 15:58.43 | macnewbold | MIL? |
| 15:58.49 | Jayce^ | mother-in-law |
| 15:58.51 | macnewbold | ah |
| 15:58.59 | macnewbold | that could have been a little embarrassing |
| 15:59.07 | mheath | I could be getting gray hair right now, I'd never know it =P |
| 15:59.08 | macnewbold | when I was 21, I passed for 15 pretty easily |
| 15:59.15 | macnewbold | and was living in argentina at the time... |
| 15:59.25 | Jayce^ | macnewbold, yeah same problem |
| 16:00.11 | mheath | My facial hair doesn't grow wildly, but I have to shave every day or it''s noticeable. |
| 16:00.20 | elg | -lart sjansen's beard |
| 16:00.21 | Jayce^ | and I was just fine taking tests at ricks like that :) |
| 16:00.25 | macnewbold | looking young is a good thing, I'm told, but I guess that doesn't kick in until you're over 30 or 40... |
| 16:00.26 | elg | -lart redbeard1's beard |
| 16:00.35 | mheath | haha |
| 16:01.34 | sjansen | So has everyone already seen the news on groklaw? |
| 16:01.41 | Jayce^ | ~give the bear boys lice |
| 16:01.42 | ibot | ACTION gives bear boys lice to the |
| 16:02.05 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 16:02.06 | nick125_lappy | sjansen: what news? |
| 16:02.36 | mheath | Time for a shower! |
| 16:03.06 | sjansen | JudgeWells++ |
| 16:03.54 | elg | groklaw? and I was just about to get productive |
| 16:04.12 | Jayce^ | ~lart productivity |
| 16:04.20 | macnewbold | so what's up on groklaw, sjansen? |
| 16:04.28 | macnewbold | they overturned the DMCA? |
| 16:05.22 | sjansen | ~200 or SCO's ~300 claims have been thrown out because SCO willfully failed to provide specificity (show the code) |
| 16:05.58 | sjansen | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20060628175203644 |
| 16:07.00 | brac | [GROKLAW] |
| 16:07.48 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:07.50 | macnewbold | ~quote sco |
| 16:07.58 | macnewbold | ~quote scox |
| 16:09.11 | sjansen | Oh, man, I've only read a little bit of the order so far and I'm already having a hard time not laughing loudly. (My students are busy working hard.) |
| 16:09.23 | sjansen | The court agrees with mr. Rochkind, SCO's expert, that methods and concepts can be discussed without disclosing source code. But it is possible, and even preferable in many instances, to provide the code behind methods and concepts. In fact, Mr. Rochkind's own publication Advance Unix Programming (2d ed. 2004), provides many examples of code when discussing "fundamental concepts." |
| 16:13.26 | elg | hehe |
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| 16:19.07 | sjansen | JudgeWells++ |
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| 16:22.25 | flyboy^ | My fave quote: Certainly if an individual was stopped and accused of shoplifting after walking out of Neiman Marcus, they would expect to be eventually told what they allegedly stole. It would be absurd for an officer to tell the accused that 'you know what you stole I'm not telling.' Or, to simply hand the accused individual a catalog of Neiman Marcus' entire inventory and say 'its in there somewhere, you figure it out. |
| 16:22.57 | mheath | hahaha |
| 16:23.30 | flyboy^ | I think that about sums it up. |
| 16:23.51 | flyboy^ | Unless SCO comes up with the code now, they basically are just litigating to litigate. |
| 16:30.33 | sjansen | No, there is no "unless SCO comes up with the code now". It's too late. |
| 16:30.56 | sjansen | They can come up with more code to support the claims where they've already shown at least some. |
| 16:31.15 | sjansen | But where they didn't, they can't just say "Oh, whoopsy, silly us, here it is." |
| 16:31.55 | sjansen | That's their punishment for dragging their feet so long. |
| 16:33.52 | elg | not like they'd have code anyway |
| 16:36.10 | tensai | hey, since when do you have to be identified to join #utah? |
| 16:36.21 | tensai | not that I'm arguing against it, just wondering |
| 16:38.22 | elg | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/29/1249241&from=rss |
| 16:38.31 | elg | "it only turns on when you look at it" yeah riiight |
| 16:39.23 | elg | leaves you hands-free, only has a screen and navigation buttons (which I guess you'r supposed to push with your nose) |
| 16:39.33 | elg | voice recognition still being developed |
| 16:39.35 | elg | what a joke |
| 16:42.38 | sjansen | http://coachflier.com/d/2006/6/28/4962 <-- So much for "efficient management" and what not |
| 16:42.39 | brac | [Southwest Airlines is Riding High, But Customer Service Isn't So Good As They Think] |
| 16:43.56 | Jayce^ | tensai, it required you to be id'd? |
| 16:44.01 | Jayce^ | we're not +p or anything |
| 16:44.13 | tensai | -:- #utah You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 16:44.19 | Jayce^ | uhh |
| 16:44.27 | tensai | I wonder if they made it the default |
| 16:44.49 | Jayce^ | maybe, or if dapper606 did something.. |
| 16:44.57 | Jayce^ | don't see how though, isn't showing up for me |
| 16:45.14 | elg | i got that yesterday too |
| 16:45.21 | Jayce^ | man, I am *so* not working today..... |
| 16:45.26 | Jayce^ | brain is already on vacation |
| 16:45.35 | nick125_lappy | it would have to be +r (or +R, cant remember) to require identification |
| 16:45.39 | elg | ~steal Jayce^' brain |
| 16:45.40 | ibot | ACTION grabs Jayce^' brain and gives it to elg |
| 16:46.08 | elg | 10:45 -!- mode/#utah [+tnr] |
| 16:46.15 | *** mode/#utah [+o elg] by ChanServ |
| 16:46.25 | *** mode/#utah [-r] by elg |
| 16:46.33 | elg | what are t and n? |
| 16:47.37 | atoponce | dapper606 wouldn't be able to set it without ops |
| 16:48.25 | elg | he had it |
| 16:48.27 | elg | and he went crazy |
| 16:48.39 | elg | made himself right at home |
| 16:48.55 | atoponce | hehe |
| 16:49.04 | lars-ut-away | 2 Prepaid Superman Tickets + 5 hours of babysitting = $36 |
| 16:49.04 | lars-ut-away | Geeking out with friends & loved ones = priceless |
| 16:49.51 | harleypig | http://arabnews.com/?page=4§ion=0&article=84514&d=29&m=6&y=2006 |
| 16:50.05 | brac | [Islamophobia Is a Crime Against Humanity: Erdogan] |
| 16:50.08 | harleypig | ? Huh? Islamophobia is a crom against humanity? |
| 16:50.12 | harleypig | (Where's brac?) |
| 16:50.21 | harleypig | s/crom/crime/ |
| 16:51.15 | Jayce^ | elg, topic protection |
| 16:51.24 | Jayce^ | and (n)o outside messages |
| 16:51.41 | Jayce^ | harleypig, protecting your people again :-p |
| 16:51.51 | harleypig | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060629/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guantanamo_trials |
| 16:52.20 | harleypig | Supreme court says there is no difference between a terrorist dressed as a civilian and a uniformed soldier. |
| 16:52.55 | harleypig | And are therefore are protected under the Geneva Conventions. |
| 16:53.21 | harleypig | ? What can-o-worms? |
| 16:53.28 | Jayce^ | that discussion |
| 16:53.45 | tensai | nah nah nah nah, I can't hear your political time bomb |
| 16:54.06 | harleypig | It's not a can-o-worms, it's a fragmentation grenade stuffed with willy-peter |
| 16:57.18 | Uncle_Jesse | Superman 3D wasn't bad |
| 16:57.27 | sjansen | Who gave dapper606 ops? |
| 16:57.29 | Uncle_Jesse | it wasn't all 3D though, which was dissapointing |
| 16:57.31 | *** mode/#utah [-tn] by elg |
| 16:58.00 | elg | sjansen: he was threatening to kickban mheath. we were curious if he was serious. |
| 16:58.10 | macnewbold | nice |
| 16:58.13 | nick125 | lol |
| 16:58.31 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: what kind of 3d? those terrible glasses? |
| 16:58.37 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: yeah |
| 16:58.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I miss the original superman though |
| 16:58.56 | elg | I watched the creature from the black lagoon in 3d at the university mall cinema last year |
| 16:59.05 | elg | talk about a painful, unhappy experience |
| 16:59.09 | Uncle_Jesse | just not the same, and they introduced too many things into the plot at once IMO |
| 16:59.21 | sjansen | Sounds like the local ops are getting bored, just handing it out to random people like dapper606, emcnabb and... uhm... me. |
| 16:59.36 | elg | and the 3dness only worked on occasion |
| 16:59.57 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I think I'd enjoy it better on digital |
| 17:00.01 | elg | sjansen: yes, must be the beard |
| 17:00.55 | sjansen | What, you have to have a beard now to qualify for ops on #utah? |
| 17:01.47 | tensai | sjansen: she got a Chia Beard for Christmas |
| 17:02.16 | *** join/#utah findlay (n=justin@67.137.24.114) |
| 17:02.38 | atoponce | does a goatee count? |
| 17:02.42 | sjansen | ~water maquis |
| 17:03.29 | harleypig | Then I need ops as well ... |
| 17:03.37 | harleypig | I mean, who else has as much beard as me? |
| 17:03.38 | harleypig | :> |
| 17:03.57 | sjansen | Well, now, certainly took the courts long enough to recognize that gitmo is as stupid and illegal as the japanese internment camps of WWII. |
| 17:04.07 | sjansen | harleypig: Santa Claus |
| 17:04.18 | harleypig | sjansen: Nope, he wears extensions |
| 17:04.30 | harleypig | gitmo *became* illegal, it didn't start out that way. |
| 17:05.39 | tensai | harleypig: a beard is required, it's not the only criteria. you also have to smell bad. |
| 17:05.51 | Jayce^ | he's got that covered tensai |
| 17:06.06 | harleypig | All the time, or just after eating certain musical foods? |
| 17:06.31 | tensai | from what I've seen^W smelled, it appears all the time |
| 17:06.58 | Jayce^ | sjansen, you've just been missing our discussion here |
| 17:07.28 | Jayce^ | we both agreed on the lunacy of the ruling, issuing geneva rights to terrorists in civvies |
| 17:07.53 | lars-ut | score one for guerilla warfare |
| 17:08.06 | lars-ut | in the city |
| 17:08.18 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, and as harleypig pointed out... gang warfare, drug dealers, etc |
| 17:08.27 | harleypig | Now, if terrorists were willing to wear a uniform, I'd be quite willing to allow any who survived protection under the geneva conventions. |
| 17:08.51 | lars-ut | this is gonna lead to the "ideal of the day" |
| 17:08.53 | harleypig | There is nothing wrong with guerilla warfare, under the correct conditions. |
| 17:09.04 | harleypig | warfare should never be brought upon non-combatants. |
| 17:09.13 | Jayce^ | amen |
| 17:09.51 | sjansen | If they dress like civilians, treat them like civilians. |
| 17:09.54 | findlay | heh |
| 17:10.15 | Jayce^ | and if they shoot at you? |
| 17:10.16 | sjansen | Fine arrest them, but _give_ _them_ _a_ _day_ _in_ _court_. |
| 17:10.17 | findlay | good luck bringing that ideal to the world |
| 17:10.42 | harleypig | No, if they dress like civilians but act like soldiers, then they should be treated like enemy spies and saboteurs. |
| 17:11.10 | sjansen | Fine, shoot them on sigt. |
| 17:11.30 | harleypig | erm ... enemy spies and saboteurs are not shot on sight, unless caught in the act. |
| 17:11.31 | sjansen | Just don't put them in a prison indefinitely, without a trial, for all the world to complain about. |
| 17:11.43 | harleypig | sjansen: We are not in disagreement on gitmo. |
| 17:11.54 | macnewbold | even a real civilian who fires shots on soldiers, police, whatever, is subject to getting shot by them in their own defense |
| 17:12.31 | harleypig | Effectively, the supreme court has declared the entire world an ongoing battlefield. |
| 17:12.58 | harleypig | A civilian who picks up a weapon, not just fires it but picks it up *automatically* becomes a combatant. |
| 17:13.20 | Jayce^ | and *any* action or involvement as combatative status (negative large clauses of the geneva convention) |
| 17:13.37 | Jayce^ | harleypig, for any definition of weapon... |
| 17:14.19 | harleypig | macnewbold: there is a difference between a policeman and a soldier and, while that difference is narrowing, I hope it never disappears. |
| 17:14.33 | Jayce^ | sjansen, in truth, it's broad enough to include that |
| 17:14.40 | harleypig | Jayce^: naw ... pick up a penknife and you'll likely be laughed at |
| 17:14.56 | harleypig | lars-ut: define double-standard? |
| 17:15.08 | harleypig | and what you mean in this context, please? |
| 17:15.14 | lars-ut | "ok... this guy here.. he can use any tactics he likes... you nation states - you play nice now." |
| 17:15.17 | Jayce^ | harleypig, get real, this is me... his punitive attack will receive a .357 jhp in return :-p |
| 17:15.27 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, and this ruling just makes it worse |
| 17:15.30 | harleypig | :] |
| 17:15.58 | harleypig | lars-ut: I'm not sure what you mean. Who are we saying can use any tactic they like? |
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| 17:16.20 | Jayce^ | harleypig, "terrorists" (others) |
| 17:16.28 | lars-ut | anyone who claims an ideology |
| 17:16.38 | elg | anyone with irc op |
| 17:16.56 | harleypig | ? But who is saying an ideoligist can use any tactics they like? |
| 17:16.56 | lars-ut | I guess there's still a loophole there to hire terrorists to fight against terrorists |
| 17:17.05 | _dave_ | Does anyone know how to, in Vim, quickly show or jump to the declaration of a variable? I've tried cscope and ctags without any luck. |
| 17:17.23 | harleypig | woah ... talk about grinding gears! :> |
| 17:17.24 | elg | :cs find g |
| 17:17.31 | elg | if you have cscope |
| 17:17.46 | elg | and you've built the db. but what do you mean that cscope didn't work? |
| 17:17.58 | _dave_ | I meant that I just don't know how to do it :) |
| 17:18.11 | elg | cscope <files go here> |
| 17:18.11 | _dave_ | What if the variable is local or otherwise not in the global scope (isn't that what 'g' does?)? |
| 17:18.32 | _dave_ | I've got cscope working, I just didn't know how to make it search for the declaration of a variable. |
| 17:18.38 | elg | if it's local you probably just want to search for it |
| 17:18.41 | elg | \/ |
| 17:18.46 | elg | er, / |
| 17:18.54 | harleypig | lars-ut: Jayce^ just explained to me your position I think ... you're having a hard time understanding why the SC decided to allow ununiformed terrorists the same protections as uniformed soldiers? |
| 17:18.55 | lars-ut | harleypig: the scenario I'm suggesting is, say, a suicide bomber. As I understand it, that specific tactics used by a suicide bomber are against the rules of engagement of the Geneva Convention. |
| 17:19.02 | _dave_ | I'd like to just put the cursor on the variable and have a little popup thingy show me what the declaration looks like. |
| 17:19.03 | elg | or maybe jump up to the top of the fn with [[ |
| 17:19.19 | elg | but really, if your function is so big that you can't find the definition of a local variable... |
| 17:19.37 | _dave_ | Yeah, it's not my own code.. Hence the need for cscope. :) |
| 17:19.49 | macnewbold | they should only get the _benefits_ of the geneva convention if they're acting within the _rules_ of the geneva convention |
| 17:19.58 | lars-ut | yes. |
| 17:19.58 | Jayce^ | yeah who needs cscope on *their own* code..... :) |
| 17:20.05 | lars-ut | what macnewbold said. |
| 17:20.16 | _dave_ | Jayce^: Indeed. |
| 17:20.34 | harleypig | lars-ut: I haven't studied the GC in years ... decades even, but basically, involving non-combatants, on a personal or small-group level (air bombing is considered a different topic), is a big no-no. |
| 17:21.12 | lars-ut | I don't understand how the logic can be split then. |
| 17:21.28 | lars-ut | Either the GC applies or it doesn't. |
| 17:21.29 | macnewbold | right, so anyone who is taking out non-combatants (NCs), outside of air-bombing, is breaking the rules |
| 17:21.36 | harleypig | macnewbold: I disagree ... if we don't have a common agreement with how to treat each other then there should be no expectation of a specific treatment. |
| 17:21.38 | elg | _dave_: not sure about popups or anything |
| 17:21.48 | macnewbold | and that makes them a terrorist or something, not a soldier, and the GC doesn't help them |
| 17:21.55 | _dave_ | You know, like vim7 does with Ctrl+P. |
| 17:22.04 | elg | [[ and ctrl-o are your friends |
| 17:22.27 | macnewbold | harleypig: no, I agree with that - no agreement == no expectation, just like agreement that you don't follow == expectations we won't follow :) |
| 17:22.28 | _dave_ | Sweet: ctrl+o is another piece of magic I've been looking for. |
| 17:22.39 | elg | ctrl-n/ctrl-p just shows the completions, right? |
| 17:22.56 | elg | not the definition |
| 17:22.57 | _dave_ | Yeah, but in a nice context list in a box around the token you are completing. Vim7 only. |
| 17:23.11 | elg | yeah, I noticed that the other day. way slick |
| 17:23.19 | _dave_ | I'd like that, but to show the type (ie, the declaration) in a little box. |
| 17:23.40 | elg | might, may, possibly be possible with some scripting magic |
| 17:23.52 | _dave_ | Indeed. Perhaps I'll have to power up my vim scripting foo. |
| 17:23.58 | elg | and I haven't combed over the vim7 release notes |
| 17:24.20 | harleypig | lars-ut: Right. On the gripping claw though, we should not demean ourselves by treating them inhumanely ... either give them a trial, let them go or shoot them. Don't let them languish. |
| 17:24.22 | _dave_ | So anyway, if you come across something like that (instant view of variable type), why don't you post it on plug. |
| 17:24.29 | elg | I map ctrl-c to :cs |
| 17:24.34 | lars-ut | otherwise you don't bother to play war |
| 17:24.46 | harleypig | lars-ut: Or overwhelming force like Hiroshima, or Nagasaki. |
| 17:24.48 | elg | then I just ctrl-c s and it does a cscope search for symbols. then :copen to get a nice list window |
| 17:24.54 | lars-ut | harleypig: absolutely |
| 17:25.40 | lars-ut | harleypig: I completely agree on your treatment point |
| 17:25.42 | harleypig | lars-ut: But the problem here is, who do we bomb? "We saved the village by destroying it"? |
| 17:25.56 | lars-ut | harleypig: I think it's too late. |
| 17:25.56 | _dave_ | :cs s doesn't seem to work for me... I put my cursor on the var of interest, and do :cs s<enter> but all I get in the list is cscope.out. |
| 17:26.23 | harleypig | Well, in this case the 'village' is the world. |
| 17:26.35 | _dave_ | By the way, to join this conversation re the war: Winning this war is not about Geneva, or even military might, or anything of that nature. It's all about intel and taking out the leadership. |
| 17:26.37 | elg | you built with cscope -b right? |
| 17:26.43 | elg | and did a :cs reset if necessary? |
| 17:26.49 | _dave_ | I did cscope -R -b |
| 17:27.05 | _dave_ | Yeah, both those things. Same results. |
| 17:27.08 | elg | if it's c++ you have to do some find magic to get the .cc or .cpp files |
| 17:27.14 | elg | otherwise you only get .h |
| 17:27.18 | harleypig | _dave_: Almost ... it has to be a dual battle. The problem is jihad is a hydra. |
| 17:27.21 | elg | (or java) |
| 17:27.22 | lars-ut | too late to use the bombing tactics that is - the only winning tactic I can see now is really bad. That is making it so painful on a personal level that terrorism isn't worth performing for the terrorists. |
| 17:27.25 | _dave_ | It is C++, but mine seems to have found .hpp, .cpp, etc. |
| 17:27.41 | elg | lucky you |
| 17:27.42 | harleypig | So while killing the heads that keep springing up, you have to attack the body as well. |
| 17:27.49 | _dave_ | harleypig: So you find every single dang one of them and take them all out. |
| 17:27.50 | elg | is it a mutant cscope? |
| 17:28.02 | Jayce^ | harleypig, *headshot* :-p |
| 17:28.04 | _dave_ | I doubt it -- I just built and compiled it myself. |
| 17:28.06 | harleypig | _dave_: That's what got us to Gitmo. |
| 17:28.09 | _dave_ | But I think vim already had it. |
| 17:28.16 | lars-ut | _dave_: worse. you use mob tactics as well. |
| 17:28.31 | elg | vim doesn't build the cscop db at all, i don't think |
| 17:28.41 | _dave_ | Yeah, but I ran cscope -R -b myself. |
| 17:28.50 | _dave_ | I've got a cscope.out in my top level. |
| 17:28.59 | harleypig | Jayce^: M-M-M-Monster Kill-ill-ill. |
| 17:29.07 | _dave_ | And it works on things like cout, just not on local vars. |
| 17:29.19 | harleypig | Y'know ... talking about cscope somehow seems to fit this conversation. |
| 17:29.27 | elg | _dave_: ~/.vim/plugins/cscope_maps.vim http://pastie.caboo.se/2855 |
| 17:29.40 | _dave_ | Already have that. |
| 17:30.00 | _dave_ | And isn't it "plugin" not "plugins"? |
| 17:30.04 | _dave_ | Or do they both work |
| 17:30.24 | elg | you're right |
| 17:30.42 | lars-ut | When Johnny terrorist realizes that he's got no family to come home to because a foreign intelligence agency hired mercenaries to slaughter them, the 72 virgins seem less appealing. |
| 17:30.51 | elg | what if you fire up cscope -R |
| 17:30.56 | lars-ut | yep, I said that. |
| 17:31.30 | _dave_ | When I do that and search for a local var in my main(), it shows me a bunch of locals from other functions, and not the one in main. |
| 17:31.39 | lars-ut | Otherwise don't bother to play war. |
| 17:32.04 | harleypig | lars-ut: Then we become no better than them. |
| 17:32.11 | lars-ut | harleypig: yep. |
| 17:32.13 | _dave_ | I agree with harleypig. |
| 17:32.24 | _dave_ | Precision removal of the key bad guys will dissolve the whole thing. |
| 17:32.31 | harleypig | That also validates gangs attitudes of killing younger siblings for older siblings activities. |
| 17:33.11 | harleypig | _dave_: I agree. The problem is key bad guys are always being replaced, some better, some worse. |
| 17:33.14 | elg | _dave_: a cscope search, or a regular search? |
| 17:33.26 | elg | what kind of cscope search? |
| 17:33.26 | _dave_ | A cscope search after firing up cscope -R. |
| 17:33.31 | _dave_ | In the ncurses TUI |
| 17:33.43 | elg | but what kind. there's several kinds of searches |
| 17:33.47 | _dave_ | harleypig: Eventually they'll run out... :) |
| 17:33.57 | _dave_ | Sorry, "Find this C symbol:" |
| 17:34.12 | _dave_ | Isn't that the same as :cs s |
| 17:34.19 | elg | yes |
| 17:34.29 | elg | and it doesn't find it in main huh? you _sure_ it's indexing that file? |
| 17:34.47 | _dave_ | No, how can I tell. main() is in the root of the directories. All other files are in sub dirs. |
| 17:34.59 | harleypig | _dave_: Nope. |
| 17:35.13 | harleypig | _dave_: Or, more politely, I disagree. :] |
| 17:35.26 | _dave_ | harleypig: Eventually no one will volunteer for the position of leadership, if they know they'll only last a few weeks alive. |
| 17:36.02 | elg | _dave_: you could grep for the filename in cscope.out |
| 17:36.10 | elg | $ grep undo.cc cscope.out |
| 17:36.10 | _dave_ | main.cxx :) |
| 17:36.10 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.10 | elg | libs/pbd3/undo.cc |
| 17:36.17 | _dave_ | Not found. |
| 17:36.25 | harleypig | _dave_: Why do you think that? First, the *real* leaders stay in the shadows, second, there are always idealistic young people to be used as cannon fodder. |
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| 17:36.54 | _dave_ | harleypig: My first comment was that massive and good intel was key. |
| 17:37.01 | elg | jsmith! |
| 17:37.13 | _dave_ | If you know the complete details of the organization, it's no problem to disrupt it entirely. |
| 17:37.18 | harleypig | And there will always be that one persistent little bugger who refuses to go quietly (or even violently) into the night who gives the others hope. |
| 17:37.38 | harleypig | _dave_: Right. I never disagreed with you on that. |
| 17:37.54 | harleypig | But we can't just wait for that intel, we have to fight on several fronts. |
| 17:37.58 | _dave_ | harleypig: So if you have that intel, you can destroy the organizations, or at least shrink down until it's no longer a thread. |
| 17:38.02 | flyboy^ | I wish rapid wave had a better web site. |
| 17:38.03 | _dave_ | s/thread/threat/g |
| 17:38.23 | lars-ut | yeah - that's one reason why the precision strike method doesn't work - you've always got that one guy... |
| 17:38.33 | _dave_ | But one guy can do nothing. |
| 17:38.42 | _dave_ | Even a few dozen guys can't do anything. |
| 17:38.52 | harleypig | Violence is only temporary unless the other side is totally annialhated (sp?) |
| 17:38.52 | elg | haven't you ever watched sesame street? one guy can change the world |
| 17:39.00 | harleypig | I'm not really willing to support genocide. |
| 17:39.06 | _dave_ | That's true. I forgot about that... |
| 17:39.17 | flyboy^ | _dave_: Um, are you saying that one terrorist can't do anything? |
| 17:39.23 | _dave_ | Anyway, elg, cscope.out doesn't seem to contain some of my files.. Wonder what's up. |
| 17:39.40 | _dave_ | flyboy^: Pretty much. Really, think about it. Without help, one guy will never pull anything off. |
| 17:40.01 | elg | easiest way to be confident: find -name '*.cc' -o -name '*.h' > cscope.files |
| 17:40.02 | elg | cscope -b |
| 17:40.07 | _dave_ | Okay. |
| 17:40.09 | flyboy^ | _dave_: In my opinion there are several instances of terrorism that were accomplished with very few resources. |
| 17:40.09 | lars-ut | an alternative to annihilation is demoralization |
| 17:40.11 | elg | replace with your own crazy scheme of filenames |
| 17:40.13 | findlay | ~lart cpanel |
| 17:40.17 | findlay | ~nuke cpanel |
| 17:40.20 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at cpanel ... B☢☢M! |
| 17:40.24 | findlay | ~bury cpanel |
| 17:40.25 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on cpanel |
| 17:40.25 | JoshH | look what tim mcveigh and a couple others pulled off |
| 17:40.34 | findlay | -lart cpanel |
| 17:40.45 | findlay | ~bzfrag cpanel |
| 17:40.47 | ibot | ACTION makes cpanel feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 17:41.18 | _dave_ | McVeigh was a tragedy, yes. Totally awful. The 911 guys pulled off something much, much larger. |
| 17:41.28 | _dave_ | Much bigger in terms of body count and damage done. |
| 17:41.41 | harleypig | We just need to find the leaders of the illuminati and kill them in such a brutal fashion that no one will want to take their place. :> |
| 17:41.51 | harleypig | Then all the bad things in the world will go away.:> |
| 17:41.53 | flyboy^ | You don't necissarly have to kill lots of people for a terrorist to have a "successful" outcome. |
| 17:42.11 | harleypig | Right, demoralization is a great weapon. |
| 17:42.22 | flyboy^ | Remember the DC Sniper? |
| 17:42.24 | _dave_ | Yes, but more deaths mean more success to them. |
| 17:42.28 | flyboy^ | 2 guys, and a rifle. |
| 17:42.31 | _dave_ | So what? |
| 17:42.35 | harleypig | _dave_: To whom? |
| 17:42.35 | flyboy^ | Had the people up there SCARED out of their minds. |
| 17:42.38 | _dave_ | There are always going to be whackos. |
| 17:42.44 | _dave_ | To the terrorists. |
| 17:43.06 | _dave_ | I'm talking specifically about solving the problem we currently face. |
| 17:43.06 | flyboy^ | I agree that a small group of organized terrorists is FAR more damaging than the lone gun. |
| 17:43.15 | _dave_ | No one can do anything about one crazy dude with a gun. |
| 17:43.20 | _dave_ | That is just a fact of life. |
| 17:43.23 | harleypig | ? No, their ultimate goal is to destroy the great satan ... by whatever means. They don't count how many kills they got, at least not in terms of success. |
| 17:43.27 | elg | while we're on the subject of terrorism, I'd like to file a complaint against the IDE camp |
| 17:43.29 | _dave_ | You can't "fix" them. |
| 17:43.54 | harleypig | Sure you can. Lithium. |
| 17:44.05 | harleypig | Or lead. |
| 17:44.16 | harleypig | The delivery method is just different. |
| 17:44.18 | flyboy^ | I agree. Terrorism is essentially gurilla warfare against a target. It's nearly impossible to defend against some of those things. |
| 17:44.20 | _dave_ | elg: Does cscope not index local vars... I think it doesn't.... |
| 17:44.35 | elg | sure it does |
| 17:44.39 | _dave_ | flyboy^: I agree. |
| 17:44.54 | JoshH | guerrilla warfare is generally against military targets, not bus riders or office workers |
| 17:45.06 | _dave_ | Is there a problem doing cscope -c to not compress cscope.out? |
| 17:45.07 | JoshH | and it |
| 17:45.15 | flyboy^ | JoshH: Yes, but the terrorists consider all US citizens military targets - even kids. |
| 17:45.28 | flyboy^ | It's a question of perspective. |
| 17:45.56 | JoshH | terrorism isn't meant to disrupt our military strategy or effectiveness |
| 17:46.06 | flyboy^ | I have a hard time thinking of my 2 year old daughter as a military target, but to someone else - she is a future fighter pilot or soldier - so she is a target any way. |
| 17:46.08 | JoshH | it's meant to scare people into acquiescing to their demands |
| 17:46.09 | elg | _dave_: a g search won't find local vars |
| 17:46.21 | _dave_ | elg: There we go -- I can grep better when cscope.out is generated with -c. |
| 17:46.24 | elg | but an s will |
| 17:47.20 | _dave_ | There we go -- :cs s isn't working, but Ctrl+\ s works fine (using the vim map file of course). |
| 17:47.26 | lars-ut | _dave_: not _that_ much larger if you compare 9/11 to say, one ship being sunk in WWII with 880 dead http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_(CA-35) |
| 17:47.28 | elg | ~rlart |
| 17:47.54 | elg | _dave_: you were typing :cs s mysymbolhere |
| 17:47.55 | elg | right? |
| 17:48.06 | elg | :cs s doesn't take the symbol from context |
| 17:48.17 | findlay | ~whack cpanel |
| 17:48.18 | ibot | ACTION whacks cpanel upside the head. |
| 17:48.19 | _dave_ | That was the Japanese military, not a bunch of people hiding in caves... |
| 17:48.31 | lars-ut | just noting scope |
| 17:48.34 | _dave_ | elg: Yes, I was. |
| 17:49.08 | _dave_ | Fighting a gov't is *totally* different than fighting a bunch of terrorists with no affiliation to a single, well-known entitiy. |
| 17:49.21 | _dave_ | Or at least an association with a large body of well-defined civillians. |
| 17:49.46 | flyboy^ | I think it' |
| 17:49.54 | flyboy^ | I think it. Yes. I do. I think. it. |
| 17:49.55 | _dave_ | That's been my point from minute 0 here: Bone up on intel, destroy the organization. In a gov't war, you just attach the enemy's miliatary assets. |
| 17:50.13 | _dave_ | s/attach/attack/ |
| 17:50.14 | JoshH | what we can fight, is states that sponsor/support/harbor terrorists (of which iraq wasn't the worst) |
| 17:50.23 | _dave_ | Yeah, but the bad guys will just move. |
| 17:50.29 | _dave_ | You have to take out the bad guys themselves. |
| 17:50.30 | JoshH | because without state support terrorist groups are much less well off |
| 17:50.34 | _dave_ | And to do that you need lots of good intel. |
| 17:50.46 | JoshH | let them move |
| 17:50.53 | flyboy^ | _dave_: And what is a good way to get good intel? |
| 17:50.57 | JoshH | they have to get money from somewhere, and have a safe place to camp somewhere |
| 17:51.01 | _dave_ | What?! Move to a different place to operate their attacks? Peacefully? |
| 17:51.07 | _dave_ | flyboy^: I wouldn't konw. |
| 17:51.17 | flyboy^ | _dave_: Apparently know one does. |
| 17:51.22 | flyboy^ | no one. |
| 17:51.27 | _dave_ | hehe |
| 17:51.32 | _dave_ | No one you know. ;) |
| 17:51.42 | _dave_ | pun intended. |
| 17:53.07 | flyboy^ | I know a Lt. in Army intelligence that served in Iraq & Bosnia. He said the best intelligence comes from infiltrating an organization. So, basically, we need to get undercover guys to go pretend to be terrorists. |
| 17:53.19 | _dave_ | Sounds good to me. |
| 17:53.48 | flyboy^ | Now, how do you infiltrate an organization that may not have a central leadership, or may be widly geographically disperse? |
| 17:54.00 | _dave_ | With lots and lots of people over lots of years. |
| 17:54.06 | _dave_ | Oh, and lots of money. :) |
| 17:54.19 | flyboy^ | And, how does said undercover agent gain credibility? He will have to be willing to behead some people. |
| 17:54.21 | _dave_ | I'm sure there are other ways. |
| 17:54.50 | _dave_ | I don't claim to have all the answers, but I feel strongly that the military is *not* the right way to take down Al Quaeda. |
| 17:54.54 | JoshH | the other way is to continue to crack down on states that support terrorists |
| 17:55.00 | JoshH | like the saudis, for example |
| 17:55.07 | JoshH | instead of iraq |
| 17:55.14 | _dave_ | How many wars to you propose that the US engage in simultaneously? |
| 17:55.36 | JoshH | it wouldn't take a lot, we just need to make an example or two |
| 17:55.42 | flyboy^ | Or to create very small rapid military groups that can deploy quickly, with overwhelming force, that does not follow any international treaties, and does not pay attention to state boundries. |
| 17:56.02 | flyboy^ | We need terrorists of our own. |
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| 17:56.20 | _dave_ | Hehe. Fly some planes into their compounds... |
| 17:56.21 | JoshH | and who would they kill? |
| 17:56.31 | flyboy^ | Terrorize the terrorists. |
| 17:56.31 | _dave_ | JoshH: Hence the need for better intel. |
| 17:56.34 | JoshH | for every group of terrorists they killed, more would spring up |
| 17:56.41 | flyboy^ | Capture a terrorist and behead him on CNN> |
| 17:56.41 | JoshH | the key is ending the state support |
| 17:56.52 | _dave_ | It's basically like morning glory. You just have to re-sod your whole lawn. |
| 17:57.12 | JoshH | we need to start smearing pig manure on them on TV |
| 17:57.12 | _dave_ | Their leaders are often indepently wealthy. THey may not rely on state support. |
| 17:57.20 | flyboy^ | I don't think I have the guts to be a killer. |
| 17:57.33 | _dave_ | ~lart the naughty terrorists |
| 17:57.37 | _dave_ | Nice. |
| 17:57.43 | _dave_ | That's what we ought to be doing. |
| 17:57.47 | JoshH | _dave_: that's true, in bin laden's case at least |
| 17:58.02 | JoshH | but al quaeda is still much less effective now that afghanistan isn't so much of a safe haven for them anymore |
| 17:58.11 | _dave_ | Who's to say? |
| 17:58.17 | _dave_ | You don't know what will happen tomorrow... |
| 17:58.37 | JoshH | i think it's safe to say that the odds of them pulling off a complex attack are a lot lower |
| 17:58.41 | _dave_ | Every day that goes by without a 9/11 is good, but you just can't say whether they are ineffective without excellent intel. |
| 17:58.53 | _dave_ | You have no idea about that. |
| 17:58.56 | JoshH | we also need leaders who listen to the intel |
| 17:59.00 | _dave_ | No offense. :) |
| 17:59.03 | _dave_ | Indeed, we do. |
| 17:59.08 | JoshH | consider all the recent news about how bush ignored information about how the wmd intel was bad |
| 17:59.15 | flyboy^ | I think we need world peace. Let's all start. |
| 17:59.26 | flyboy^ | World peace for everyone! |
| 17:59.27 | Jayce^ | later folks, see y'all in a week |
| 17:59.35 | _dave_ | Likewiese |
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| 18:02.14 | mheath | aww, just missed Jayce^ |
| 18:08.04 | tensai | Jayce^ left? that must mean I have 4 hours until I can drop paint balloons on him from the freeway overpass |
| 18:16.14 | elg | ah, I figured out dave's problem. he was doing :cs s not :cs f s |
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| 18:34.59 | bonez41 | ! |
| 18:38.52 | bonez41 | am I reaching? can anyone see what i write? |
| 18:41.19 | tensai | nope |
| 18:41.41 | bonez41 | ^Migs^, sorry, my mom taught me to be persistent......I'd HATE to disappoint my mom |
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| 18:44.25 | fozz | Hello #utah! I'm showing the GL 120 students what an IRC session is like in LInux! |
| 18:44.43 | ^Migs^ | I thought you said "my mom taught me to be president" for a minute |
| 18:44.51 | ^Migs^ | GL 120? |
| 18:44.52 | guru_ | hi |
| 18:44.58 | ^Migs^ | wtf is that? |
| 18:45.02 | fozz | Guru Labs |
| 18:45.06 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 18:45.07 | fozz | Intro to LInux class. |
| 18:45.12 | fozz | Looks like one of my students is hot on my heels. |
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| 18:45.36 | ^Migs^ | omgomzogmozmgomg, better watch out |
| 18:45.40 | tensai | ~lart fozz |
| 18:46.00 | ^Migs^ | let's do something fun for the GL 120 students |
| 18:46.02 | fozz | thank you |
| 18:46.09 | ^Migs^ | like some wacky ASCII art |
| 18:46.11 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 18:46.33 | harleypig | wow ... SuperSize Me is very interesting. |
| 18:49.48 | harleypig | Hmmm ... Why can't we hector fat people at tables while we can now hector smokers? |
| 18:50.02 | harleypig | Of course, I'd just look at you and go "Watch it buddy or you're next!" |
| 18:50.14 | elg | heckle? |
| 18:51.13 | harleypig | No, heckle doesn't quite mean the same thing ... just a sec. |
| 18:51.55 | harleypig | hmmm ... hector was the word used by the guy on SuperSize Me. |
| 18:52.03 | harleypig | But I think heckle *is* a better word for it. |
| 18:59.57 | harleypig | HOLY CRAP! The guy gained TEN POUNDS in one week!!!! |
| 19:00.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep watching |
| 19:00.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It gets better |
| 19:01.34 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why that's surprising, if you eat 20 pounds of fatty meats in that week |
| 19:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If you can call it meat |
| 19:01.54 | harleypig | How much do you eliminate? |
| 19:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Not enough to matter |
| 19:08.04 | tensai | harleypig: the guy eventually starts growing french fries instead of hair |
| 19:08.51 | harleypig | ScytheBlade1: ? So if you take in 20 pounds, of anything, you eliminate at most 10 pounds? |
| 19:09.13 | ScytheBlade1 | harleypig, keep watching and it'll make sense ;) |
| 19:10.41 | harleypig | I'll have to finish it tonight. |
| 19:10.44 | sjansen | Oh, man, I missed fozz and _dave_. |
| 19:10.53 | sjansen | Only one thing to do now... |
| 19:10.56 | sjansen | ~heckle harleypig |
| 19:11.45 | findlay | ~lart cpanel |
| 19:11.48 | findlay | -lart cpanel |
| 19:11.52 | findlay | -lart cpanel |
| 19:13.47 | findlay | stupid cpanel |
| 19:14.31 | tensai | ~cpanel findlay |
| 19:14.35 | findlay | ~dog cpanel |
| 19:14.37 | ibot | ACTION stares at cpanel until cpanel whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 19:14.58 | tensai | so what's wrong with cpanel today? |
| 19:15.09 | sjansen | operator error |
| 19:15.23 | findlay | they think they're too good for apache-2 |
| 19:15.53 | sjansen | too legit, too legit to apache 2.0 |
| 19:15.57 | sjansen | too legit, too legit to apache 2.0 |
| 19:15.59 | findlay | they try to force the rest of the world to use apache-1.3 |
| 19:16.03 | tensai | hey hey |
| 19:16.28 | findlay | and FastCGI doesn't like apache-1.3 |
| 19:16.43 | sjansen | tensai: Sorry, I'm keeping the gold pair for myself. |
| 19:17.28 | findlay | I think FastCGI doesn't really like cpanel. If I nuked cpanel then FastCGI would be happier |
| 19:17.48 | tensai | you should upgrade to c++panel |
| 19:18.09 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:18.18 | findlay | or c#panel |
| 19:22.47 | findlay | tensai: do you know what this means: "FastCGI: incomplete headers (0 bytes) received from server"? |
| 19:23.30 | tensai | the cgi errored out |
| 19:23.40 | tensai | exited prematurely |
| 19:25.13 | findlay | yeah and I didn't write the CGI. I'm just supposed to install the web interface and have it work. |
| 19:25.31 | findlay | at least that's what I thought |
| 19:26.42 | findlay | and everybody on the RT list hates me because they ignore my messages ): |
| 19:28.49 | findlay | so you see that it's all cpanel's fault? |
| 19:29.07 | harleypig | pebcak |
| 19:29.32 | harleypig | Did I say that out loud? |
| 19:29.50 | harleypig | mheath: You're in the Marines now ... you'd better be careful saying stuff like that. |
| 19:30.08 | mheath | harleypig, it's a paintball gun. |
| 19:30.12 | harleypig | This is my gun, this is my rifle, one is for fun ... |
| 19:32.16 | findlay | harleypig: don't you think I've checked and rechecked countless times for pebcak? |
| 19:33.55 | harleypig | findlay: I was just being uselessly insulting. |
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| 19:40.27 | vontrapp | so i put in a floppy disk and try to mount it - doesn't work |
| 19:40.39 | vontrapp | then i fdisk -l the thing, there's no partition info on it at all |
| 19:40.56 | vontrapp | but there was the last time it was used in windows |
| 19:43.37 | vontrapp | how do you make cellpadding/cellspacing 0 with css? |
| 19:43.52 | levi | Yay, the radiator fans on my Eurovan are going again. :) |
| 19:47.06 | mheath | emcnabb, around? |
| 19:51.18 | flyboy^ | Sterling Jacobson. Do you hang out in here? |
| 19:51.42 | flyboy^ | Does anyone from rapidwave hang out in here? |
| 19:52.04 | ScytheBlade1 | vontrapp, there typically isn't any partition table on a floppy - think mkfs.ext2 /dev/sda (not /dev/sda1) |
| 19:52.31 | mheath | Anyone here know anything about paintball gear? |
| 19:53.10 | flyboy^ | mheath: Isn't Jayce^ a huge paintballer? |
| 19:53.16 | mheath | He left earlier |
| 19:53.59 | vontrapp | ScytheBlade1: right of course, that makes sense, but alas, it still doesn't mount |
| 19:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | vontrapp, what does it say when you try? |
| 19:54.49 | elg | ScytheBlade1: you probably mean fd0 |
| 19:54.51 | vontrapp | unable to determine fs, you must specify fs on the command line, something like that |
| 19:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | elg, that was an example ;) |
| 19:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | vontrapp, -t fat12 or -t vfat |
| 19:55.24 | flyboy^ | vontrapp: What command are you using to format the disk? |
| 19:55.33 | vontrapp | i don't want to format it |
| 19:55.37 | flyboy^ | Oh. |
| 19:57.50 | harleypig | http://bash.org/?664845 |
| 19:57.51 | brac | [QDB: Quote #664845] |
| 19:57.52 | harleypig | :D :D :D |
| 19:57.55 | harleypig | sfw |
| 19:58.22 | flyboy^ | hehe. that is great. |
| 19:58.43 | flyboy^ | I wonder how the rest of the conversation went. |
| 19:59.14 | elg | brac, will you play wesnoth with me? |
| 19:59.14 | brac | *shrug* |
| 20:00.06 | vontrapp | argh, i hate freakin table layouts!! |
| 20:01.00 | elg | they hate you too |
| 20:01.37 | [phoenyx] | vontrapp: amen |
| 20:01.37 | sjansen | ~table vontrapp |
| 20:03.12 | vontrapp | sjansen: btw, the recompiled kernel with specific drivers works, and the wireless driver is _somewhat_ better |
| 20:06.08 | sjansen | Okay, looks like Brazil is playing Saturday at 1pm on ESPN. |
| 20:06.25 | sjansen | I don't have cable. Who's going to invite me to watch their place? |
| 20:07.15 | sjansen | s/watch their/watch at their/ |
| 20:07.45 | vontrapp | bring boose^H^H^H^H^H^ soda and chips and maybe i'll let you use my place |
| 20:10.21 | emcnabb | mheath: sorry, I was away |
| 20:10.23 | emcnabb | what's up? |
| 20:11.03 | mheath | emcnabb, nevermind |
| 20:11.18 | mheath | You seemed decently informed about paintball, and I had a question |
| 20:11.29 | mheath | but it was answered (incorrectly) by the product manufacturer |
| 20:11.36 | emcnabb | oh, I'm not |
| 20:11.49 | mheath | I had a CO tank |
| 20:12.00 | mheath | it was single use, but it had an adapter that seemed pretty air tight |
| 20:12.36 | mheath | so I called them, asking if I could detatch the _adapter_\ |
| 20:12.43 | mheath | he said sure |
| 20:12.52 | lars-ut-away | sjansen: http://www.mininova.org/sub/415/added |
| 20:12.54 | brac | [mininova : TV Shows > World Cup 2006] |
| 20:12.56 | mheath | just don't take the pressurized tank off the adapter |
| 20:13.02 | lars-ut-away | warning: I use adblock filtersetg |
| 20:13.05 | mheath | Second I unscrewed the adapter from the gun, though.... |
| 20:13.08 | mheath | CO2 comes gushing out |
| 20:13.26 | sjansen | vontrapp: uhm, your Mormon is showing, it's spelled booze |
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| 20:16.32 | flyboy^ | Maybe he was trying to spell boosem. |
| 20:17.12 | flyboy^ | Or he was being anti-script-kiddie-ish. or... something. Or he's a Mormon. |
| 20:17.40 | goozbach | mheath: which one didja get? |
| 20:17.41 | mheath | OK |
| 20:17.53 | mheath | goozbach, A Spyder Pilot |
| 20:18.00 | mheath | I liked the features |
| 20:18.17 | mheath | though Jayce^ was right....it does make me a bit nervous to have the entire action of my gun dependent on a battery |
| 20:18.37 | flyboy^ | mheath: Aren't you going in to basic soon? |
| 20:18.51 | mheath | flyboy^, 9 weeks still |
| 20:23.18 | goozbach | of course you wouldn't listen to us |
| 20:23.34 | goozbach | it isn't just taht |
| 20:23.57 | goozbach | brass pistons, gears, solinoids |
| 20:24.19 | goozbach | as opposed to cast iron 3 peice action |
| 20:35.51 | elg | sjansen: you can come here and watch it on snowy univision |
| 20:36.07 | elg | you could probably get univision or telemundo at your place |
| 20:36.13 | elg | and have a better announcer to boot |
| 20:36.52 | sjansen | Yeah, but then I'd have to buy an antenna. My TV is so cheap it doesn't include one. |
| 20:37.24 | elg | sjansen: goozbach has a ascii telnet link |
| 20:37.32 | elg | ;-) |
| 20:38.10 | sjansen | ~redcard elg |
| 20:39.33 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:41.33 | vontrapp | sjansen: crap, i thought it looked a little odd |
| 20:46.47 | ^Migs^ | omg it's my berfday tomorrow |
| 20:46.50 | ^Migs^ | what's everyone getting me? |
| 20:47.57 | mheath | goozbach, this is a fully automatic gun, the one you recommended isn't. |
| 20:49.05 | vontrapp | how do you do trinary operator in python? |
| 20:49.18 | vontrapp | foo ? bar : baz |
| 20:49.33 | vontrapp | i get syntax error |
| 20:49.37 | elg | knowing python, probably foo __?__ bar __:__.self baz |
| 20:49.42 | vontrapp | hahaha |
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| 20:50.04 | vontrapp | -lart amcnabb |
| 20:50.32 | emcnabb | ~slay vontrapp |
| 20:50.34 | ibot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, vontrapp!" apt lops off vontrapp's head. |
| 20:50.34 | amcnabb | That one was particularly painful. |
| 20:50.49 | vontrapp | apt? |
| 20:51.01 | elg | ibot is aka apt in #debian |
| 20:51.22 | vontrapp | so it's not misspelled and |
| 20:51.22 | elg | i think that's where he picks up most of her bad habits |
| 20:52.09 | emcnabb | ibot: you clean yourself up, you hear me?!? |
| 20:52.30 | elg | ibot, lart emcnabb |
| 20:53.10 | vontrapp | wtf?! google lucky turns this up: newowner = [self.newowner, None][self.contactid == self.newowner] |
| 20:53.35 | vontrapp | "This will set newowner to self.newowner if self.contactid is not tha same as self.newowner. Otherwise it will set it to None. |
| 20:53.39 | vontrapp | " |
| 20:54.05 | vontrapp | "Here's an example of an easy and compact way to simulate the trinary operator..." |
| 20:54.11 | elg | vontrapp: why it's the most obvious and most object-oriented syntax possible |
| 20:54.15 | vontrapp | -lart python 100000000 times |
| 20:54.36 | elg | don't forget the 4 spaces before the =, they're important. |
| 20:54.38 | vontrapp | that's a lot of word processing |
| 20:54.51 | vontrapp | python smells |
| 20:55.52 | vontrapp | [bar, baz][foo] it is, but i probably need to coerce foo to a binary/int |
| 20:56.03 | vontrapp | boolean |
| 20:56.04 | vontrapp | whatever |
| 20:56.10 | vontrapp | and how to do that... |
| 20:57.31 | elg | send __int__.self binary [coerce, or die] |
| 20:57.56 | elg | (9 spaces)foo |
| 20:58.05 | vontrapp | lol |
| 20:58.52 | elg | seriously, i have an easier time reading smalltalk than python |
| 20:58.58 | vontrapp | i don't think python has send |
| 20:59.14 | vontrapp | i have an easier time reading ruby |
| 20:59.25 | vontrapp | oh wait, that's because ruby is the r0ck0rz |
| 21:00.00 | nick125_lappy | send? wtf? |
| 21:00.05 | nick125_lappy | I never heard of it in python |
| 21:00.09 | elg | that's my next book, remember. "_why Ruby R0x0rs (and why Java sux0rs)" |
| 21:00.19 | nick125_lappy | java is the sucks |
| 21:00.27 | ^Migs^ | LIES |
| 21:00.31 | elg | nick125_lappy: I was going out on a limb thinking maybe there was some message sending involved |
| 21:00.37 | goozbach | mheath: with a ~$60 trigger assembly it can be |
| 21:00.44 | elg | I'll dedicate it to gabe |
| 21:00.51 | nick125_lappy | message sending? |
| 21:00.56 | elg | it'll be a shameless paste of the latest flamewar |
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| 21:01.27 | elg | nick125_lappy: again, no idea if this is python jargon or not, but many people consider pure oo to be sending messages between objects |
| 21:01.44 | elg | python claims to be pure oo, therefore... |
| 21:02.01 | mheath | goozbach, the trigger assembly on this is really nice |
| 21:03.36 | sjansen | vontrapp: No ternary operator in Python for you! |
| 21:03.52 | sjansen | Guido doesn't believe in the ternary operator. |
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| 21:10.26 | vontrapp | s/few/two |
| 21:10.30 | amcnabb | I like the fact that Python avoids excessive punctuation/operators. |
| 21:10.34 | nick125_lappy | mmmm....weechat is really nice.. |
| 21:10.40 | amcnabb | There's talk of doing something like: |
| 21:10.40 | vontrapp | ~wee nick125_lappy |
| 21:10.42 | ibot | ACTION uses nick125_lappy as a fire hydrant |
| 21:11.01 | amcnabb | x = 4 if a == b else 5 |
| 21:11.29 | elg | i like the teenage girls these days who eschew punctuation capitalizaion and speling it makes it so much less distracting to read what they say omg |
| 21:11.30 | amcnabb | I'm not sure I like it, but I think it's better than ? and : |
| 21:11.34 | vontrapp | so... "bar if foo else baz" |
| 21:11.46 | amcnabb | yeah |
| 21:11.55 | elg | i'd go for that |
| 21:12.30 | amcnabb | Guido likes to go slow and make sure all of the possible side-effects are discussed before adding new features. |
| 21:12.49 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: better than geek chat? |
| 21:12.54 | Uncle_Jesse | s/geek/nerd/ |
| 21:13.10 | elg | ~spell facetious |
| 21:14.01 | amcnabb | I think Python is a lot more readable than Ruby, but it doesn't bother me if someone disagrees with me. |
| 21:14.57 | amcnabb | Despite what Dr. Frank "Moron" Fox says in American Heritage, I don't think there's one true standard of beauty. |
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| 21:17.24 | vontrapp | ~fox amcnabb |
| 21:17.25 | ibot | ACTION sends an explosive fox after amcnabb |
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| 21:17.59 | vontrapp | fox was a character |
| 21:18.03 | vontrapp | s/was/is/ |
| 21:18.51 | Uncle_Jesse | s/joine/joined/ |
| 21:18.53 | amcnabb | :) |
| 21:19.07 | Uncle_Jesse | take that mcnabbs! |
| 21:22.42 | tensai | redbeard1: http://www.slashfood.com/2006/06/29/on-target-with-bullseye-cheesecakes/ |
| 21:22.44 | brac | [On target with bullseye cheesecakes - Slashfood] |
| 21:23.58 | elg | amcnabb: i wouldn't disagree with your opinion unless I took the time to learn to read python |
| 21:24.08 | flyboy^ | Does anyone here use csolutions? |
| 21:24.21 | elg | some things have really thrown me about python, but i remember a couple of things throwing me about ruby when i first started it too |
| 21:24.59 | elg | i have put just as little effort into smalltalk as into python, and I can read smalltalk better |
| 21:25.00 | amcnabb | I started ruby before I started Python. |
| 21:25.02 | elg | fwiw |
| 21:25.11 | amcnabb | Python seemed really intuitive to me, but Ruby didn't. |
| 21:26.13 | amcnabb | vontrapp, see http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0308/ |
| 21:26.15 | brac | [PEP 308 -- Conditional Expressions] |
| 21:27.52 | amcnabb | Why? |
| 21:27.52 | amcnabb | It's been defiled. |
| 21:27.58 | Uncle_Jesse | try and you'll see ;-) |
| 21:28.35 | Uncle_Jesse | amcnabb: if you all took care of it, maybe it wouldn't get defiled, would it? |
| 21:32.06 | emcnabb | ~lart Uncle_Jesse |
| 21:32.14 | emcnabb | go back to creating your crude website |
| 21:34.35 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp got in okay - you all should try |
| 21:35.47 | vontrapp | nothing to see |
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| 21:36.53 | emcnabb | I see your trap |
| 21:36.57 | emcnabb | never! |
| 21:37.13 | Uncle_Jesse | lots of fun things going on in #themcnabbsociety |
| 21:37.42 | flyboy^ | It's a party in there. Oh yeah. |
| 21:37.59 | Uncle_Jesse | all of #utah is there |
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| 21:39.24 | flyboy^ | Free ops in #themcnabbsociety |
| 21:40.10 | Uncle_Jesse | #themcnabbsociety - a free place where no one gets kicked |
| 21:40.57 | flyboy^ | Just so you know, #themcnabbsociety is NOT BYU approved housing. |
| 21:41.02 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
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| 22:14.43 | sjansen | amcnabb: You're a freak. Ruby fits me like a glove. Python doesn't. I am the measure of perfection, so there must be something dangerously wrong with you. |
| 22:15.33 | macnewbold | ~lart sjansen |
| 22:15.40 | macnewbold | ouch, burn |
| 22:17.26 | elg | ibot_ didn't say what he had to use it for |
| 22:25.49 | macnewbold | ~wantnick |
| 22:26.09 | macnewbold | ibot_: wantnick |
| 22:26.15 | macnewbold | ibot_, wantnick |
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| 22:28.58 | goozbach | herlo: where you at this week? |
| 22:29.11 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: you didn't stay long enough - we would have given you ops |
| 22:29.27 | amcnabb | sjansen, can always do a hand transplant. |
| 22:29.39 | amcnabb | s/ can/we can/ |
| 22:30.04 | sjansen | goozbach: I believe he's in Kansas City. |
| 22:36.38 | amcnabb | vontrapp, you probably don't care any more, but it turns out that "conditional expressions" are in Python 2.5, a beta release of which was released a week ago. |
| 22:36.45 | spr | sjansen, so, yak shaving then? |
| 22:37.36 | amcnabb | This page describes it pretty well: http://docs.python.org/dev/whatsnew/pep-308.html |
| 22:37.40 | brac | [1 PEP 308: Conditional Expressions] |
| 22:38.14 | sjansen | spr: I'm reading the Plug Ruby/Java flamewar hoping that when I get to the end it's still active. |
| 22:39.22 | spr | sjansen, good luck with that. I gave up on the thread. |
| 22:39.59 | sjansen | Oh, wait, you weren't asking if I was yak shaving right now... |
| 22:40.45 | sjansen | Sure, why not. It'll be interesting to see what happens when you put a little sjansen in a fondu pot, let it melt, then dip random things. |
| 22:47.01 | lars-ut | sjansen: are you referring to a slice of sjansen, or is there, heaven forbid, a "mini-me" sjansen? |
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| 22:51.25 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 22:54.26 | lars-ut | ~quote omtr |
| 22:54.55 | lars-ut | ~quote scox |
| 22:55.04 | Tene | ~quote lars |
| 22:55.25 | lars-ut | Tene: someday that'll change. |
| 22:55.28 | lars-ut | ~weather kpvu |
| 22:55.42 | Tene | ~weather lars |
| 22:57.00 | elg | ~bacon vontrapp |
| 22:58.13 | sjansen | ~chunkybacon elg |
| 22:59.38 | Uncle_Jesse | and Dell won't match it (in their wonderful Indian accents) |
| 22:59.56 | Uncle_Jesse | and because it's in "shipping" I can't cancel the order |
| 23:00.11 | Uncle_Jesse | (it went into "shipping" 2 hours after I ordered it) |
| 23:00.36 | Uncle_Jesse | Dell just went on my bad list |
| 23:00.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | how? |
| 23:01.02 | xbmodder_newlapp | come |
| 23:01.04 | Uncle_Jesse | see above |
| 23:01.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | dell = good; |
| 23:01.16 | Uncle_Jesse | they won't match, have horrible customer service too |
| 23:01.22 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.geniuscameras.com/prodetails.asp?prodid=95551 |
| 23:01.25 | brac | [Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT 8.0 Megapixel Silver Body] |
| 23:01.29 | xbmodder_newlapp | for business computers only thoguh |
| 23:01.41 | Uncle_Jesse | that's what I should have gotten - add on the $100 rebate from amazon and you're set |
| 23:02.15 | Uncle_Jesse | their customer service has gotten way worse over the years (Dells) |
| 23:02.19 | sjansen | ~console Uncle_Jesse |
| 23:02.21 | ibot | ACTION gives Uncle_Jesse the consolation moose |
| 23:02.28 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: thanks man |
| 23:02.58 | Uncle_Jesse | now the question is, is it worth it to get the one above, save $200, and go through the mess of having the extra $700 on my credit card until Dell takes back my order |
| 23:03.10 | Uncle_Jesse | actually, that one is close to $300 savings |
| 23:03.15 | Uncle_Jesse | yesterdays was only $200 |
| 23:05.57 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: How much do you earn per hour? What is your credit limit? Can you please show me two forms of ID, then give me your bank account number and matching pin number or password? |
| 23:06.20 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: sure - google me and you can have it |
| 23:06.43 | sjansen | My guess is that unless you have a low credit limit or earn an insanely large salary, it's worth the hassle. (Unless Dell won't take the camera back.) |
| 23:06.50 | Uncle_Jesse | Hey - buy anything for $20 or more on backcountry.com and get $10 off today |
| 23:06.55 | Uncle_Jesse | (through google checkout) |
| 23:07.32 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: that's what I'm worried about - the guys I was talking to at Dell were Indian so not sure I trust that they say I can return it when it is delivered |
| 23:08.00 | sjansen | How is it being delivered? What if you just don't accept the package? |
| 23:08.13 | Uncle_Jesse | I think UPS |
| 23:14.16 | sjansen | So hide behind a tree and ambush every UPS driver you see. Tackle him and stencil "Return to Sender Foo'!" on his forehead. |
| 23:14.38 | sjansen | If the driver is female, have your wife do it. After all, why risk a lawsuit? |
| 23:16.59 | Uncle_Jesse | yes - will do sjansen |
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| 23:33.03 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 23:35.07 | sjansen | ~calm elg |
| 23:35.08 | ibot | ACTION sooths elg, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm elg down. |
| 23:35.33 | elg | ice cream |
| 23:36.41 | elg | and a honda shadow |
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| 23:38.08 | vontrapp | seems like 5:00-5:30 every day is right when my wireless goes bonkers |
| 23:38.16 | vontrapp | same time everytime |
| 23:38.21 | vontrapp | really really weird |
| 23:39.17 | elg | vontrapp: theories: your neighbor gets home and gets on his wireless, or your neighbor gets home and calls his girlfriend |
| 23:39.24 | elg | on his 2.4ghz wireless phone |
| 23:39.45 | vontrapp | i hate neighbors |
| 23:39.49 | elg | s/neighbor/hundreds of neighbors/ |
| 23:40.21 | elg | might want to kismet between 5 and 5:30 tomorrow and see which channel might be best to use for your router |
| 23:40.38 | elg | if you can't find one, then find some way to jam a channel for a couple of days |
| 23:40.39 | vontrapp | i'm already the only network on channel 4 |
| 23:40.45 | vontrapp | everyone else is 6 |
| 23:40.48 | elg | everyone will switch off that channel and... |
| 23:40.49 | vontrapp | and an occasional 1 |
| 23:40.52 | elg | they overlap |
| 23:41.03 | elg | 6 and 4 are pretty much toe-stepping |
| 23:41.13 | spr | what about 11? |
| 23:41.35 | elg | 1 and 11 are the most orthogonal to eachother |
| 23:41.36 | elg | iirc |
| 23:41.54 | vontrapp | there are a couple on 11 |
| 23:41.58 | spr | 1, 6, and 11 can be used with no practical overlap issues |
| 23:41.59 | vontrapp | one on 9 |
| 23:42.10 | elg | sounds like you want 1 |
| 23:42.11 | vontrapp | 1 isn't showing up right now |
| 23:42.15 | elg | if today is typical |
| 23:42.30 | vontrapp | there used to be like 5 on channel 6 |
| 23:42.34 | vontrapp | but now i only see 1 |
| 23:42.52 | elg | my new buffalo router says it can automatically choose a channel |
| 23:42.55 | vontrapp | bah, there's two on 1 |
| 23:43.05 | vontrapp | oh wait, that's the wrong column |
| 23:43.19 | elg | well but are they strong or not? you're going to have _somebody_ on the same channel in a college apartment |
| 23:43.23 | vontrapp | digis-000 has --- for channel |
| 23:43.41 | vontrapp | and i always get this when i run kismet |
| 23:43.42 | elg | digis is everywhere. you'd have to live underground to get away from them. they don't seem to hurt though |
| 23:43.46 | vontrapp | │ ALERT: Suspicious client 00:13:46:0E:32:DB - probing networks but never part│ |
| 23:43.50 | xbmodder_newlapp | :-( |
| 23:44.07 | elg | do you have any suspicious neighbors? |
| 23:44.22 | vontrapp | i don't really know my neighbors anymore |
| 23:44.29 | xbmodder_newlapp | Whats google checkout's URL? |
| 23:44.34 | vontrapp | not since being engaged :[ |
| 23:44.53 | elg | that's good. |
| 23:44.54 | vontrapp | that looks too sad |
| 23:45.00 | vontrapp | i didn't mean it to look sad |
| 23:45.15 | vontrapp | :/ would have been better |
| 23:45.24 | elg | don't want to be too social |
| 23:45.40 | sjansen | :| |
| 23:45.44 | vontrapp | now a couple minutes going, channels: --- 4 6 9 11 11 11 |
| 23:45.49 | elg | :-D |
| 23:45.49 | sjansen | |: |
| 23:45.51 | vontrapp | i am the 4 |
| 23:46.02 | sjansen | .|. |
| 23:46.37 | elg | sjansen: is that chicken little? |
| 23:46.50 | elg | or perhaps a cyberman |
| 23:47.06 | vontrapp | unfortunately, my card/driver fails to report signal strength |
| 23:47.15 | sjansen | {'|'} |
| 23:47.15 | xbmodder_newlapp | vontrapp, what card? |
| 23:47.28 | vontrapp | so there's really no way to know what has least interference |
| 23:47.37 | vontrapp | xbmodder_newlapp: broadcrap, what else |
| 23:47.47 | vontrapp | bcm43xx |
| 23:47.54 | elg | vontrapp: get someone to visit who has kismet and a card that can tell |
| 23:48.01 | vontrapp | hmm, ok |
| 23:48.09 | vontrapp | elg: come visit me with your lappy and kismet |
| 23:48.09 | elg | but 1 is probably going to be a good choice. at least from today's data |
| 23:48.30 | elg | http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/972261 |
| 23:48.33 | brac | [Assigning 802.11b Access Point Channels] |
| 23:51.07 | vontrapp | sucky for japan: one choice: channel 14 |
| 23:51.24 | vontrapp | does 14 overlap with 11? |
| 23:51.31 | vontrapp | will i be arrested if i run on 14? |
| 23:51.49 | elg | heh. can you? your hardware will do it? |
| 23:51.55 | vontrapp | dunno |
| 23:52.18 | vontrapp | great, aragorn goes to screensaver and synergy reports him dead |
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| 23:59.36 | vontrapp | did anyone hear anything i said? |
| 23:59.46 | vontrapp | e.g. "oh barf" |
| 23:59.51 | Tene | nope |