| 00:03.15 | xbmodder_newlapp | I get " We're sorry, but Gmail is temporarily unavailable. We're currently working to fix the problem -- please try logging in to your account in a few minutes." |
| 00:03.18 | xbmodder_newlapp | yay. |
| 00:05.59 | tene | They hate you. |
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| 00:25.49 | elg | mmm, papa murphy's pizza |
| 00:30.10 | elg | woohoo, my domain is about to expire |
| 00:30.19 | elg | that means I get to ditch godaddy |
| 00:30.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Why? |
| 00:30.46 | elg | for xmission |
| 00:30.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, okay |
| 00:31.06 | elg | and because I hate their busy website |
| 00:31.22 | elg | and thirdly because they went with iis |
| 00:31.34 | elg | always gotta throw a little stick it to the proprietary man in every reason |
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| 00:34.20 | thenetduck | hey does anyone here know anything about gnump3d |
| 00:34.38 | elg | is that the make your mp3s into a website prog? |
| 00:35.44 | thenetduck | ya |
| 00:35.47 | thenetduck | well |
| 00:35.49 | thenetduck | kind of |
| 00:36.20 | thenetduck | i just need to make it so it asked for a password before i can log in to it |
| 00:37.16 | xbmodder_newlapp | hey thenetduck |
| 00:37.26 | xbmodder_newlapp | why don't you use icecast? |
| 00:38.03 | thenetduck | why use icecast? ... |
| 00:38.11 | thenetduck | whats the diff |
| 01:03.43 | thenetduck | hey when you install a program with apt-get install where does it sinstall the program to? |
| 01:03.50 | thenetduck | like in what file directory. |
| 01:08.05 | tene | lots of places |
| 01:08.14 | tene | packages aren't just single files |
| 01:10.07 | thenetduck | um... the reason im asking is because i just installed gnump3d on my server |
| 01:10.20 | thenetduck | and want to set up a pasword/user for it |
| 01:10.41 | thenetduck | have you ever worked with gnump3d |
| 01:10.45 | tene | No. |
| 01:11.43 | macnewbold | does gnump3d support password-based authentication? |
| 01:12.26 | thenetduck | ya ... i know christer has it set up |
| 01:13.19 | macnewbold | googling for gnump3d password turned up this: |
| 01:13.21 | macnewbold | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/securing.html |
| 01:13.21 | atoponce | thenetduck: yes, gnump3d supports password protection |
| 01:13.24 | macnewbold | that appears to be what you want |
| 01:13.29 | atoponce | but the security is very weak |
| 01:13.41 | macnewbold | note the warning at the very bottom about the weakness of the password protection method |
| 01:14.03 | macnewbold | it prevents browsing the collection only, not downloading the songs if you now (or can guess) their path/filename |
| 01:14.22 | macnewbold | but it is better than nothing |
| 01:14.26 | macnewbold | and probably good enough |
| 01:14.44 | macnewbold | unless your mp3s are recordings of someone reading credit cards or social security numbers out loud |
| 01:15.08 | atoponce | the best is based off of ip address |
| 01:15.27 | atoponce | even with a known path, they won't have access if the ip doesn't match |
| 01:17.23 | thenetduck | umm |
| 01:17.27 | thenetduck | ok |
| 01:17.32 | macnewbold | right |
| 01:17.41 | macnewbold | does that help, thenetduck? |
| 01:17.52 | thenetduck | i think so ... err one sec |
| 01:19.00 | thenetduck | um... well it kind of does but the thing is i know what to do but i don't know how to do it |
| 01:19.01 | thenetduck | lol |
| 01:19.08 | thenetduck | i need to create . password files |
| 01:19.16 | thenetduck | in the directories i want protected |
| 01:19.24 | thenetduck | i just dont know how to get into the directories |
| 01:19.52 | elg | atoponce: "the best"? |
| 01:20.34 | thenetduck | also i can't figure out how to add music .. i hate being a noob lol |
| 01:20.46 | elg | thenetduck: start in /usr/share/doc/gnump3d |
| 01:20.46 | thenetduck | i just set up my server |
| 01:21.02 | thenetduck | thank you ! |
| 01:22.38 | atoponce | elg: with the options available, yup |
| 01:22.47 | atoponce | ip or password. ip definitely |
| 01:22.49 | elg | ah ok |
| 01:23.00 | elg | and less hassle too, if your setup is fairly static |
| 01:23.04 | elg | if you roam, it's another story |
| 01:23.09 | atoponce | yup |
| 01:23.28 | thenetduck | ya i plan on roaming |
| 01:23.42 | macnewbold | then you'll either want to not use IP restrictions, |
| 01:24.01 | macnewbold | or know how to add a new IP address to the access list while you're out and about |
| 01:25.39 | thenetduck | i think just the spoofy password blocker will be good enought ... i just dont want mass amounts of streaming |
| 01:25.45 | thenetduck | it will scare most people away |
| 01:26.11 | thenetduck | i really dont care if i get a one or two songs downloaded by people i dont know ... just dont want it happening all the time |
| 01:26.53 | thenetduck | ok ... so i went the the /usr/share/doc/gnump3d ... how do i create a new file in my terminal? |
| 01:27.28 | thenetduck | is it like mkfil ? or |
| 01:27.31 | thenetduck | somthing |
| 01:27.35 | thenetduck | ha ha |
| 01:27.52 | atoponce | TOUCH |
| 01:27.55 | atoponce | sorry |
| 01:28.01 | atoponce | 'touch newfile' |
| 01:31.31 | thenetduck | so i created a file called user.password in the file directory /usr/share/doc/gnump3d |
| 01:31.42 | thenetduck | is that right ? |
| 01:31.54 | elg | nope |
| 01:32.04 | elg | you should ls and more the files in /usr/share/doc/gnump3d |
| 01:32.08 | elg | esp. the READMEs |
| 01:34.22 | thenetduck | how do you read a .gz file? |
| 01:35.44 | elg | zmore |
| 01:36.02 | elg | or zless or zcat... |
| 01:40.39 | macnewbold | or gunzip |
| 01:40.56 | tene | or less with lesspipe set up |
| 01:43.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | gzip |
| 01:43.53 | tene | gunzip |
| 01:44.11 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, how long have you been using Linux? |
| 01:44.22 | thenetduck | errr... |
| 01:44.23 | thenetduck | not sure |
| 01:44.27 | thenetduck | less than a year |
| 01:44.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 01:44.53 | xbmodder_newlapp | http://tldp.org/ |
| 01:44.55 | Kuyaedz | we all started somewhere |
| 01:46.54 | xbmodder_newlapp | Kuyaedz, I was much worse when I started |
| 01:47.14 | xbmodder_newlapp | I wish someone would have told me about tldp |
| 01:47.28 | xbmodder_newlapp | and http://www.google.com/linux |
| 01:58.30 | wps | I am trying to do an mysql dump and am getting an error that says "-bash: databasebackup_2006-06-20.txt: No such file or directory" |
| 01:58.33 | wps | any ideas? |
| 01:58.33 | wps | I don't get it |
| 01:58.40 | xbmodder_newlapp | does anyone have some frozen bubble level sets |
| 01:58.48 | xbmodder_newlapp | wps, what is the command line you are using? |
| 01:59.01 | wps | mysqldump -u dilsnic -p tasks > ./databasebackup_2006-06-20.mysql |
| 01:59.13 | wps | mysqldump -u dilsnic -p tasks > databasebackup_2006-06-20.mysql |
| 01:59.19 | wps | (the second) |
| 01:59.47 | xbmodder_newlapp | type "echo test > databasebackup_2006-06-20.mysql" |
| 02:00.05 | wps | why does it need the blank file first? I've never had to do that |
| 02:00.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | I just want to test that it isn't the file system br0ked |
| 02:00.26 | wps | weird |
| 02:00.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | err b0rked |
| 02:00.29 | wps | I got the same error |
| 02:00.39 | wps | -bash: databasebackup_2006-06-20.mysql: No such file or directory |
| 02:00.44 | xbmodder_newlapp | when you tried it with echo? |
| 02:00.48 | xbmodder_newlapp | touch databasebackup_2006-06-20.mysql |
| 02:00.48 | wps | yeah |
| 02:00.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | try "touch databasebackup_2006-06-20.mysql" |
| 02:01.02 | wps | touch: cannot touch `databasebackup_2006-06-20.mysql': Permission denied |
| 02:01.07 | wps | ah… permission error |
| 02:01.08 | wps | :) |
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| 02:02.06 | Kuyaedz | I use mysqldump -u<user> -p<password> --quick db.name |
| 02:02.13 | wps | thanks, xbmodder_newlapp |
| 02:02.35 | xbmodder_newlapp | no problem. |
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| 02:02.57 | macnewbold | Kuyaedz: what does the --quick do? |
| 02:03.27 | Kuyaedz | trying to remember now.. setup that mysqldump script & put 'er in cron months ago |
| 02:03.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.59 | macnewbold | yep, I was about to paste that too |
| 02:04.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 02:04.33 | macnewbold | hm, --opt looks handy too |
| 02:04.39 | Kuyaedz | mysqldump -u${user} -p${password} --quick --add-drop-table --all ${d} | bzip2 -c > ${path}/${d}.sql.bz2 |
| 02:04.46 | Kuyaedz | ...is what I use nightly with cron |
| 02:05.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | now, does anyone have some frozen bubble levelsets? |
| 02:07.31 | macnewbold | not on me... |
| 02:10.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | great |
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| 03:16.15 | scottj | woohoo, my HHK arrives tomorrow |
| 03:23.03 | flyboy^ | HHK? |
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| 03:27.16 | scottj | happy hacking keyboard |
| 03:28.42 | macnewbold | I think I've seen those... are they the ones that are just big touch pads? |
| 03:28.46 | macnewbold | ~hhk |
| 03:28.47 | ibot | it has been said that hhk is http://www.pfuca.com/products/hhkb/hhkbindex.html or Happy Hacking keyboard or the keyboard that baseinfinity uses |
| 03:29.06 | flyboy^ | Yeah, it has the ctrl+caps switched huh? |
| 03:30.42 | flyboy^ | Aren't they expensive? |
| 03:30.49 | scottj | yeah, and I like that it's really small, escape is closer, and just plain nice (I think, we'll see tomorrow) |
| 03:31.18 | scottj | yeah to ctrl+caps, I got the lite version for 69 |
| 03:31.33 | scottj | so still expensive, but not as insane as the pro for 260 |
| 03:31.57 | scottj | http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/en/hhkeyboard/images/200B.jpg |
| 03:37.01 | flyboy^ | I love neverputt. Some of these leves seem almost impossible. |
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| 03:42.59 | flyboy^ | I wish I could have a nice compact keyboard like that, with an additional arrow key/home/end/insert/delete key and num keypad still of to the right. |
| 03:43.08 | flyboy^ | Like - two sets of arrow keys. |
| 03:44.17 | flyboy^ | i'm not sure I would like the placment of | on that keyboard either. |
| 03:44.22 | flyboy^ | above the delete key? |
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| 03:45.05 | flyboy^ | This is the hackers keyboard, I need the sys admin keyboard. |
| 03:45.54 | nick125_lappy | I need a hacker/developer/sysadmin keyboard :P |
| 03:46.13 | flyboy^ | hacker == developer ? |
| 03:46.39 | nick125_lappy | yeah.. |
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| 04:40.17 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 04:40.22 | tensai | ~lart gnome |
| 04:40.30 | tensai | ~praise ipv6 |
| 04:40.31 | ibot | All hail ipv6! |
| 04:44.03 | maquis | -lart tensai |
| 04:44.23 | maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 04:44.28 | tensai | ~crush maquis |
| 04:44.29 | ibot | ACTION crushes maquis with a full height scsi disk |
| 04:45.01 | elg_ | tensai: do tell |
| 04:45.55 | tensai | elg_: I like ubuntu. gnome still bugs me. I'm downloading kde as we speak. |
| 04:46.23 | elg_ | heh. great. but why are you praising ipv6? |
| 04:46.28 | tensai | my new laptop came right up and works perfectly with ipv6 |
| 04:46.34 | tensai | nothing to do, it just works |
| 04:46.55 | tensai | same is true of ipv4 too, of course |
| 04:51.36 | tensai | now if my lazy ISP would get off its butt and implement ipv6 I'd be set |
| 04:57.38 | flyboy^ | Does anyone know what the SLLUG movie is supposed to be? |
| 05:04.57 | maquis | i think i crashed byu's student rating system... |
| 05:13.35 | Uncle_Jesse | Anyone know of a good web 2.0 oss blogging project? |
| 05:19.52 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: You going to switch? |
| 05:24.27 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: you going to spam openclue again? |
| 05:27.46 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: well, I think I'm going to continue writing my own, but one bit at a time |
| 05:27.54 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm really into agile lately |
| 05:28.03 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: hopefully not |
| 05:28.11 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm also wanting an excuse to learn rails |
| 05:31.50 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone here tried typo? I'm curious of peoples' thoughts |
| 05:33.37 | levi | elg uses it, I believe. |
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| 05:33.55 | levi | Speak of the devil. |
| 05:34.06 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: what do you think of typo? |
| 05:34.16 | elg | great |
| 05:34.30 | Uncle_Jesse | recommend anything better? |
| 05:34.38 | elg | nope |
| 05:34.44 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - I'm trying it |
| 05:34.51 | Uncle_Jesse | seems very web 2.0 friendly |
| 05:35.01 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm big on user experience |
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| 05:53.13 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/breakage/ratings_error.jpg |
| 05:53.38 | roscivs | maquis, have you been trying to hax0r the student ratings again?? |
| 05:54.20 | roscivs | Hm. I can think of some professors I had that I'd like to hax0r the student ratings for. |
| 05:55.08 | roscivs | Of course, given the class I probably wouldn't have to hax0r anything. |
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| 06:01.43 | maquis | roscivs: not trying... |
| 06:01.56 | maquis | i finally managed to get something to submit |
| 06:02.09 | maquis | for future reference, it won't accept anything with < or > in it |
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| 06:18.26 | thenetduck | hey can i aks you guys a question |
| 06:18.33 | roscivs | you just did! |
| 06:18.44 | roscivs | despite the troubling lack of a question mark. |
| 06:18.59 | maquis | ~question thenetduck |
| 06:19.29 | thenetduck | lol |
| 06:19.34 | thenetduck | i just found the answer |
| 06:19.35 | thenetduck | thanks |
| 06:19.36 | thenetduck | lol |
| 06:19.45 | thenetduck | well... |
| 06:19.53 | thenetduck | accually i disabled cube then re enabled it |
| 06:19.54 | thenetduck | for xgl |
| 06:19.58 | thenetduck | and now it wont come back |
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| 07:32.12 | ashanks | what are you from utah or something? |
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| 07:39.46 | bonez41 | ashanks, yeah, many of us are in Utah |
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| 08:16.46 | bonez41 | findlay, good morning... |
| 08:22.48 | findlay | morning |
| 08:28.48 | bonez41 | findlay, forgive my asking, if we have discussed this already..I am struggling to get sql-ledger working, it uses postgresql.....it's a web based ledger....... do you have any experience with sql-ledger or with setting up databases with postgresql? |
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| 12:54.03 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 12:59.34 | goozbach | "can I ask 6 questions?" |
| 12:59.58 | goozbach | may I ask, sir, how can I ask a question? |
| 13:12.18 | goozbach | ~close |
| 13:12.24 | ibot | it has been said that close is try /close |
| 13:12.31 | goozbach | ~close bob |
| 13:14.05 | goozbach | close $sjansen is <action> stands too close to $sjansen ala http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
| 13:14.11 | goozbach | ~close $sjansen is <action> stands too close to $sjansen ala http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
| 13:14.13 | ibot | okay, goozbach |
| 13:14.16 | goozbach | ~close bob |
| 13:14.17 | ibot | ACTION stands too close to bob ala http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
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| 13:31.22 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
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| 14:00.43 | elg | can't...resist....yak |
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| 14:20.31 | emcnabb | ~lart elg |
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| 14:52.03 | goozbach | ~close sjansen |
| 14:52.05 | ibot | ACTION stands too close to sjansen ala http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
| 14:54.43 | sjansen | ~brain goozbach |
| 14:54.45 | ibot | ACTION turns goozbach into a mouse with an over-sized head |
| 14:55.25 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 15:01.10 | goozbach | but sjansen, where are we going to get that much chile con carne? |
| 15:01.39 | sjansen | goozbach: My guess is that we can just raid your pantry. |
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| 15:19.41 | flyboy^ | Does anyone know what the SLLUG movie is going to be? |
| 15:20.25 | mrpull- | flyboy^: how many open source movies are there? |
| 15:20.33 | mrpull- | All I can think of is Revolution OS |
| 15:20.37 | flyboy^ | Same here. |
| 15:20.45 | flyboy^ | I was wondering if there was something else. |
| 15:21.22 | flyboy^ | SLLUG showed Rev OS not too long after it came out. |
| 15:21.27 | flyboy^ | But it's been years. |
| 15:21.45 | flyboy^ | I think some other documentries have been done since then. |
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| 15:29.41 | ^Migs^ | http://www.elephantsdream.org/ |
| 15:33.44 | Jayce^ | goozbach, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/acara/Oklahoma%20D-Day%202006/Panzerwagon4.jpg |
| 15:33.52 | Jayce^ | both of those will be at our game this weekend |
| 15:38.03 | goozbach | yeah, dammit! |
| 15:39.06 | mrpull- | Jayce^: those are slick. |
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| 16:26.47 | sjansen | ~language goozbach |
| 16:26.48 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach by the ear and washes goozbach's mouth out with soap |
| 16:34.59 | tensai | ~silence sjansen |
| 16:35.01 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in sjansen's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
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| 16:53.11 | sjansen | ~stab HoneyShiv |
| 16:53.17 | ibot | ACTION runs at HoneyShiv with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 16:53.58 | HoneyShiv | hey! |
| 16:55.57 | HoneyShiv | i don't know how to fight back |
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| 17:00.49 | goozbach | HoneyShiv: try ~travolta sjansen |
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| 17:05.07 | sjansen | ~funkybomb goozbach |
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| 17:05.39 | mheath | harleypig! Tomorrow, I fill officially be _in_ the Marine Corps! (not a Marine yet, though) |
| 17:05.45 | mheath | DEP / "Marine Corp Ready Reserves" |
| 17:05.54 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone have any good online tutorials for Test::Case? I want to see some examples of different ways to use it. |
| 17:08.41 | goozbach | ~strangelove sjansen |
| 17:08.42 | ibot | ACTION destroys half the channel just to get rid of sjansen |
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| 17:23.13 | SB1-Work | Anyone here running ejabberd? |
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| 17:26.55 | vontrapp | does mysql have anything like pgsql's BUSINESS_DAYS(date1, date2) ? |
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| 17:31.43 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: look at "date functions" on mysql.com - not sure off-hand though |
| 17:33.34 | bonez39 | mheath, I appreciate your efforts for us all......My hat's off to you! |
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| 17:35.57 | mheath | Sigh. I made the mistake of mentioning tha I'm joining the USMC in an international channel |
| 17:36.02 | mheath | Instantly its assumed that: |
| 17:36.06 | mheath | 1) I'm extremely conservative |
| 17:36.08 | mheath | 2) I love Bush |
| 17:36.12 | mheath | 3) I love that we went into Iraq |
| 17:36.20 | mheath | 4) I love our policies in guantanamo bay |
| 17:38.11 | Kuyaedz | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32550 |
| 17:38.19 | Kuyaedz | careful with those laptops on the laps boys |
| 17:39.10 | bonez39 | mheath, there'll always be those shortsighted idiot around to rush to judgement..can't worry about that all your life |
| 17:40.14 | mheath | Whats funny is, I'm extremely liberal, and I really dislike Bush |
| 17:40.25 | mheath | 90% of the stuff he's 'arguing' with me about is stuff I feel/agree with |
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| 17:45.47 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: know of any good online tutorials with examples of ways to use Test::Unit? |
| 17:46.04 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd like to start setting up some automated unit tests in our environment here |
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| 17:47.27 | ^Migs^ | http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/leetspeak.mspx |
| 17:48.44 | mrpull- | mheath: don't worry. as you get older you'll become more conservative. ;-) |
| 17:49.48 | ^Migs^ | thankfully |
| 17:50.08 | ^Migs^ | nothing's worse than a clueless old liberal |
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| 17:52.37 | sjansen | ^Migs^: I'm betting an after-market battery. |
| 17:53.14 | sjansen | Although it wouldn't be the first time that a manufacturer shipped a bad power supply or dangerous battery. |
| 17:53.58 | RyanE | ^Migs^: it's not nice to talk about Rocky Anderson that way. :) |
| 17:55.49 | emcnabb | sjansen: get back to work |
| 17:56.05 | sjansen | ~whip emcnabb |
| 17:56.39 | emcnabb | sjansen: ibot doesn't even listen to you! |
| 17:56.50 | emcnabb | ha! |
| 17:56.58 | sjansen | ~dog emcnabb |
| 17:57.00 | ibot | ACTION stares at emcnabb until emcnabb whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 17:57.24 | sjansen | emcnabb: I'm not the one with the wet pants. |
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| 18:00.51 | mheath | Wow, how mature |
| 18:01.13 | mheath | Now hes taking to spamming the channel with hundreds of lines of spam links to anti-USA propaganda |
| 18:01.25 | mheath | and adding "People worse than Hitler: mheath" to the topic |
| 18:01.30 | mheath | (because I'm joining the USMC) |
| 18:02.14 | Kuyaedz | how 'bout you leave that channel & shut him up. He's just lookin' for an argument.. |
| 18:02.26 | emcnabb | exactly |
| 18:02.32 | emcnabb | why are you in there in the first place? |
| 18:04.03 | findlay | hello |
| 18:04.15 | flyboy^ | You've got mail! |
| 18:04.48 | flyboy^ | Time to eat some greek. |
| 18:05.47 | ^Migs^ | you should go into an islam channel and talk about how awesome America is |
| 18:06.15 | mrpull- | geeeze... the people worse than hitler thing is a little over the top |
| 18:07.16 | ^Migs^ | I dunno. mheath DID toilet-paper my house that one time |
| 18:08.32 | mheath | I was actually in a privmsg with lilo about doing something about the guy, temporarily (hes usually quite sane and nice) |
| 18:08.37 | mheath | but it seems that he _finally_ stopped |
| 18:09.12 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it's so worth it to get pissed off over what somebody says in a chat room |
| 18:09.32 | mheath | ^Migs^, he was spamming the entire chat room, despite like 5 people asking him to cool off. |
| 18:09.57 | mheath | I'm not pissed off, he was just annoying a lot of people. |
| 18:10.39 | ^Migs^ | I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about him |
| 18:11.18 | mheath | O_o |
| 18:11.22 | mheath | that made sense. |
| 18:11.28 | mheath | I asume you meant you/him |
| 18:14.41 | goozbach | you know what I hate? |
| 18:15.21 | findlay | cats? |
| 18:15.37 | goozbach | besides them. |
| 18:16.06 | findlay | rocks? |
| 18:16.25 | emcnabb | sjansen? |
| 18:17.11 | findlay | Elvis impersonators? |
| 18:17.48 | sjansen | emcnabb: Don't hate me because I'm better looking, smarter and more popular than you. |
| 18:19.51 | findlay | is there an easy way to filter out the legal garbage on a whois query? |
| 18:20.53 | emcnabb | ah, sjansen is in his own little world again |
| 18:23.36 | goozbach | ~stupid |
| 18:23.37 | ibot | hmm... stupid is http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif, or ibot |
| 18:24.29 | Kuyaedz | lars-ut: missed some good games last nite. Don't worry, I didn't win :) |
| 18:24.57 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: I'll bet there next week |
| 18:25.05 | goozbach | emcnabb: is it because he are plain stupids? |
| 18:25.10 | lars-ut | s/bet/be |
| 18:25.49 | lars-ut | sjansen: destro would have been a better machine name |
| 18:25.58 | lars-ut | or zartan |
| 18:26.16 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.44 | vontrapp | what is the cheaper operation, x * a%b or x + a/b |
| 18:27.22 | ^Migs^ | I would've chosen Optimus Prime |
| 18:28.04 | sjansen | vontrapp: Interesting question. My money's on the second, but that's just gut instinct. |
| 18:28.20 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: what was the name of the decepticon leader who was able to scale himself up/down when he transformed into a gun? |
| 18:28.39 | lars-ut | never did figure out how he did that... |
| 18:29.49 | vontrapp | i guess both involve division, not sure how % compares to /, but assuming they're comparable, + is cheaper than * |
| 18:30.27 | ^Migs^ | you mean Megatron? |
| 18:30.46 | ^Migs^ | there's a Jewish angel named Metatron. I always thought that was pretty sw8. |
| 18:31.30 | ^Migs^ | you know how parents sometimes give their kids angel names, like Gabriel, Michael, Raphael. Well, why not Metatron? |
| 18:32.17 | ^Migs^ | I'd show you, but I don't have a Hebrew font |
| 18:32.40 | ^Migs^ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron |
| 18:33.12 | lars-ut | cool |
| 18:35.15 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 18:35.59 | lars-ut | mheath: difficult to be pigeon-holed when a military person doesn't agree with the Bush Administration - it kinda' blows certain political assumptions out of the water. Darn complex individuals capable of independent thought... |
| 18:36.55 | lars-ut | ^Migs^ - do you habla hebrew? |
| 18:37.07 | ^Migs^ | uh, not so much anymore |
| 18:37.26 | ^Migs^ | I started learning because I was going to go to religion grad school, but then I changed my career |
| 18:37.45 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 18:37.57 | lars-ut | really. I'm impressed. |
| 18:38.05 | mheath | lars-ut, hahaha, indeed. |
| 18:38.10 | lars-ut | wish I could say the same |
| 18:39.16 | lars-ut | I had 2 semesters of Latin in jr high, 3 yrs of spanish, and then learned portuguese as a missionary in Brazil |
| 18:39.59 | lars-ut | my wife speaks mandarin & japanese - guess I've got a bit of an inferiority complex re: languages, but I love learning them |
| 18:40.03 | ^Migs^ | see, now that's cool |
| 18:40.13 | ^Migs^ | I know German pretty well |
| 18:40.20 | mheath | I speak a tiny bit of Japanese |
| 18:40.43 | ^Migs^ | at least I read it well enough most of the time. There's a few words where I get stuck and have to look them up, but I do okay. |
| 18:40.55 | lars-ut | that's neat. |
| 18:41.10 | lars-ut | good tech info in German I'll bet |
| 18:41.50 | lars-ut | C'bit (sp?) always seems to get new versions of Knoopix first |
| 18:41.59 | lars-ut | Knoppix |
| 18:42.01 | ^Migs^ | do you know Kung Fu as well, mheath? |
| 18:42.47 | ^Migs^ | heh |
| 18:43.02 | lars-ut | ~heh |
| 18:43.04 | ibot | heh |
| 18:43.14 | findlay | ~hehe |
| 18:43.15 | ibot | i guess hehe is eheh |
| 18:43.19 | findlay | ~heheh |
| 18:43.20 | ibot | Heh Heh Heh |
| 18:43.21 | ^Migs^ | it'd be so nice if pete ashdown wasn't a democrat, and didn't run afoul of the typical democrat idiocy |
| 18:43.45 | findlay | he's not a democrat |
| 18:43.50 | findlay | ~hehehe |
| 18:43.51 | lars-ut | still more state's rights from him than republicans |
| 18:43.52 | ^Migs^ | yes he is |
| 18:43.57 | findlay | no |
| 18:44.00 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 18:44.01 | findlay | no |
| 18:44.13 | findlay | whatever |
| 18:44.16 | findlay | (: |
| 18:44.23 | ^Migs^ | heh, you looked him up, didn't you? |
| 18:44.30 | lars-ut | yes |
| 18:44.32 | ^Migs^ | have you read his web site? It's nearly impossible to tell what his stance is on most of the issues. Typical democratic word-games |
| 18:44.58 | ^Migs^ | I think I'm voting constitutional party this year |
| 18:45.02 | lars-ut | really? I found most positions were clear - he's sidestepped a few though |
| 18:45.06 | Kuyaedz | I always thought he was a democrat |
| 18:45.12 | ^Migs^ | he is, Kuyaedz |
| 18:45.19 | findlay | he is Kuyaedz? |
| 18:45.26 | lars-ut | he's running as the Democratic candidate |
| 18:45.40 | findlay | Kuyaedz is Pete? |
| 18:45.50 | ^Migs^ | you're very confused, findlay |
| 18:45.57 | lars-ut | # /kick findlay |
| 18:45.57 | findlay | I am |
| 18:46.08 | Kuyaedz | findlay: I beat you at Carcassone on saturday. |
| 18:46.10 | findlay | ~confused |
| 18:46.11 | ibot | ACTION sings: Been DAZED and CONFUSED for so long it's not true... |
| 18:46.18 | Kuyaedz | I always thought Pete was Democratic candidate though |
| 18:46.20 | lars-ut | findlay: I think you need some lunch, man |
| 18:46.54 | ^Migs^ | tha's because he is |
| 18:47.16 | sjansen | Kuyaedz: Pete Ashdown _is_ a Democrat. |
| 18:47.23 | lars-ut | true, that. |
| 18:47.25 | sjansen | Kuyaedz: Democrat is Pete Ashdown. |
| 18:47.30 | lars-ut | not true |
| 18:47.33 | sjansen | Kuyaedz: Pete "Democrat" Ashdown |
| 18:47.56 | Kuyaedz | right.. got it |
| 18:48.16 | findlay | glad we cleared that up |
| 18:48.26 | ^Migs^ | IS IT cleared up now? |
| 18:48.28 | lars-ut | more info http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 18:48.31 | findlay | IT |
| 18:48.57 | ^Migs^ | I think many people are like "OMGPETEASHDOWNHASAWIKIVOTE4HIM" |
| 18:49.15 | tene | You should make a wiki page with that title. |
| 18:49.33 | lars-ut | http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Politics |
| 18:49.36 | ^Migs^ | buncha Democrat noobs trying to overturn Utah's conservative views |
| 18:49.55 | findlay | mheath: heh |
| 18:50.10 | findlay | mheath: sorry, meant ^Migs^ |
| 18:50.18 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: I'll bite - but I'm not a Democrat |
| 18:50.21 | findlay | ^Migs^: heh |
| 18:50.29 | ^Migs^ | there's nothing to bite. I'm just ranting. |
| 18:50.33 | sjansen | Who says they're Democrat noobs? Some are fed up Republican noobs. Others are digusted Repulican indepdent thinkers. |
| 18:50.43 | ^Migs^ | deep down, we're all noobs |
| 18:50.49 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: trolling? |
| 18:50.53 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 18:50.56 | ^Migs^ | ranting |
| 18:51.08 | lars-ut | findlay is trolling |
| 18:51.13 | ^Migs^ | ranting is not necessarily trolling |
| 18:51.13 | lars-ut | tsk tsk |
| 18:51.18 | sjansen | Myself, I'm a libertarian that thinks it's time to sweep a large number of Republicans out of government. |
| 18:51.26 | ^Migs^ | I tend to agree, sjansen |
| 18:51.39 | tene | And I'm a giant squid! |
| 18:51.40 | lars-ut | sjansen: agreed |
| 18:52.12 | tene | Tentacle Party FTW! |
| 18:52.39 | ^Migs^ | i wish there were a way to take a republican and a democrat candidate and cross-engineer them into one supercandidate that everyone can agree on |
| 18:53.06 | lars-ut | I'm sick of spinelessness - show me one a candidate who advocates nationalism, not globalism and increased government influence |
| 18:53.14 | sjansen | Who cares about everyone agreeing, I'd just like candidates capable of sane non-political thought. |
| 18:54.21 | lars-ut | Seems that everything is super polarized & oversimplified - I'd like to see candidates debate application of basic governing principles |
| 18:55.16 | ^Migs^ | IAW lars-ut |
| 18:55.23 | sjansen | More economists, physicists, doctors, teachers and fewer political science majors. |
| 18:57.59 | lars-ut | I'm still not sure why the house of representatives seems to be passing legislation I agree with while the senate seems to stall everything |
| 18:58.32 | sjansen | See, my impression has been that the senate has been more reasonable lately. |
| 18:58.52 | lars-ut | really? When did you notice a change? |
| 18:59.01 | findlay | the point of legislative government is to stall things, so only the important laws get passed |
| 18:59.06 | sjansen | No a time line, a comparison. |
| 18:59.23 | sjansen | The House has seemed to reactionary, whereas the Senate more long sited. |
| 19:00.31 | sjansen | s/to/too/;s/sited/sighted/ |
| 19:02.35 | lars-ut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_States#Preamble |
| 19:09.53 | lars-ut | my sweetie & I are headed up to Sandy this evening - any cheap dinner suggestions? (cheap being under $30) |
| 19:10.16 | sjansen | Betos |
| 19:10.31 | emcnabb | McDonalds? |
| 19:10.39 | findlay | I would reccomend not eating the sand |
| 19:11.23 | sjansen | Buy a bunch of $1 burgers and sculpt them ala Close Encounters. |
| 19:11.34 | lars-ut | lol |
| 19:11.40 | ^Migs^ | Del Taco is cheap |
| 19:11.48 | ^Migs^ | is it Taco Tuesday? |
| 19:11.51 | ^Migs^ | wait, it's Wednesday |
| 19:12.07 | flyboy^ | lars-ut: Sampan |
| 19:12.10 | ^Migs^ | just get a bunch of 49¢ tacos |
| 19:12.37 | findlay | 49 tacos? |
| 19:13.15 | Jayce^ | sjansen, dunno how you can say the senate has been long sighted, since most of them don't seem to understand their own powers (look at the recent immigration legislation for examples) |
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| 19:14.07 | lars-ut | Jayce^: you mean lack of decisiveness re: immigration? |
| 19:15.07 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, no.. |
| 19:15.39 | Jayce^ | part of the wording for the senate version of the legislation including fine/penalties/collecting back taxes.. |
| 19:15.43 | Uncle_Jesse | in Thai that means sex |
| 19:16.31 | hell-ro | lars-ut: if you like good philly steaks (aka greasy food), try The Philadelphian, you won't really find anything on the web, except maybe the address, but its awesome food.... |
| 19:16.44 | lars-ut | thx hell-ro |
| 19:16.46 | Jayce^ | and well, without googling the actual wording, the constitution prohibits any legislation involving taxation in the senate |
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| 19:17.15 | lars-ut | Jayce^: sounds very illegal |
| 19:17.20 | Jayce^ | when pointed out, the Republican speaker stated "we'll maybe we should work around it".. |
| 19:17.30 | Uncle_Jesse | "taxation without representation" |
| 19:17.39 | Jayce^ | and good old harry reid, for the democrats said "We should pass it anyways" |
| 19:17.39 | Uncle_Jesse | the reason for the Boston Tea Party |
| 19:17.43 | Jayce^ | @#$@ morons |
| 19:17.59 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, no, they are still a form of representation in that sense |
| 19:18.08 | Uncle_Jesse | I think we should throw our own Tea Party |
| 19:18.14 | Jayce^ | but that is part of the checks between the senate and house |
| 19:18.18 | Jayce^ | they have different purposes |
| 19:18.47 | sjansen | Isn't Harry Reid NV? |
| 19:18.51 | Jayce^ | sjansen, yes |
| 19:18.55 | Uncle_Jesse | He's Mormon too I believe |
| 19:18.59 | Jayce^ | and the senate minority speaker |
| 19:19.04 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, jack-mormon... |
| 19:19.10 | sjansen | &*%)(&^)( Mormons |
| 19:19.12 | Jayce^ | only when convenient |
| 19:19.13 | Uncle_Jesse | is he not an active mormon? |
| 19:20.01 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, technically, that is the current case, just not enforced as such |
| 19:20.10 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: probably nothing, other than loss of that voter base |
| 19:20.12 | sjansen | It's easy to label anyone you disagree with a jack mormon. |
| 19:20.19 | Uncle_Jesse | I think they'd still stay here though if that's what you mean |
| 19:20.48 | Jayce^ | sjansen, no, he's been that way a while, he uses the term conveniently, but isn't shall we say, too active :) |
| 19:20.56 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm just curious if Harry Reid goes to church every Sunday, or just uses it as a label |
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| 19:21.56 | ^Migs^ | look him up on famous-mormons.net |
| 19:22.20 | Uncle_Jesse | ^Migs^: that site doesn't exist |
| 19:22.22 | ^Migs^ | s/famous-mormons.net/famousmormons.net |
| 19:22.41 | Uncle_Jesse | that one does |
| 19:22.44 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 19:23.11 | ^Migs^ | hmm, doesn't say much |
| 19:24.00 | ^Migs^ | hmm, the senator of Mexico, state of Chihuahua, is also Mormon |
| 19:24.26 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: re: staying here... no that's not what I mean. I just feel that the RepDems are fighting for additional votes, and are elss concerned with their constituents' views on immigration - it is decidedly UNrepresentative. |
| 19:24.26 | Jayce^ | ^Migs^, yeah, the colonies are there |
| 19:24.41 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, very true |
| 19:25.33 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: yeah - agreed |
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| 19:28.51 | lars-ut | It's not as if these points are new - many people feel similarly. Why aren't reps/senators asked these questions in a public forum? |
| 19:29.19 | lars-ut | Maybe I just need to keep up on current events more |
| 19:30.19 | Uncle_Jesse | I think we just need to start punishing businesses more for hiring them |
| 19:30.26 | lars-ut | agreed |
| 19:30.31 | Uncle_Jesse | and remove the minimum wage |
| 19:30.33 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 19:30.37 | lars-ut | agreed |
| 19:30.48 | lars-ut | let the market decide |
| 19:30.51 | Uncle_Jesse | agreed |
| 19:31.19 | Uncle_Jesse | the latest studies are showing reducing or removing the minimum wage has a much better effect on the economy than raising it |
| 19:31.50 | sjansen | why |
| 19:31.53 | sjansen | ? |
| 19:32.59 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: well, the ones I saw didn't really offer an explanation - they just watched a couple examples and the economies did better when it was reduced |
| 19:33.08 | sjansen | And define "better effect"? Are you saying that average buying power improves? Or that average income improves? How about unemployement? Poverty numbers? |
| 19:33.11 | flyboy^ | What would it do to McDonalds to pay ppl $3/hour instead of $6/hour? |
| 19:33.12 | Uncle_Jesse | my estimation is it's because the value of the dollar goes up |
| 19:33.43 | Uncle_Jesse | oh - it also mentioned it allows the majority of those making minimum wage to actually have jobs |
| 19:33.54 | sjansen | My gut says that they were seeing general well being improve at the expense of abusing a small number of vulnerable people. |
| 19:34.08 | Uncle_Jesse | right now businesses aren't willing to hire students and other unemployed because it's too expensive |
| 19:34.12 | Jayce^ | sjansen, actually it depends on what economic theory you believe, but a very large amount show that the economy does actually improve without a minimum wage |
| 19:34.15 | ^Migs^ | well, people shouldn't be so vulnerable then |
| 19:34.19 | sjansen | Having a job != earning enough to live on. |
| 19:34.29 | ^Migs^ | if your job isn't paying enough, get a second job |
| 19:34.45 | lars-ut | at least you have a choice |
| 19:35.15 | Uncle_Jesse | the majority of those unemployed are unemployed because of the minimum wage |
| 19:35.38 | Uncle_Jesse | unemployment rate goes down, economy goes up :-) |
| 19:35.58 | Jayce^ | actually, we're at our lowest unemployment rate in years right now |
| 19:36.04 | sjansen | The simple fact of the matter is that there's a certain part of the population that isn't smart enough to get good jobs. |
| 19:36.23 | sjansen | Some are mentally handicapped. Others are just unable to grow up. |
| 19:36.30 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: agreed, but it could be even better |
| 19:37.00 | sjansen | "Suck it up and find a better job" doesn't seem like a good response for people that have demonstrated they are incapable of doing so. |
| 19:37.19 | lars-ut | sjansen: I think many of the disadvantaged folks that you speak of are victim to govt programs |
| 19:37.41 | lars-ut | those who if they did work would lose benefits |
| 19:37.52 | Uncle_Jesse | and I would argue those incapable are a very small minority |
| 19:37.53 | sjansen | I'm not saying that automatically justifies the minimum wage, but any proposal to eliminate it should also include some way of dealing with unskilled people. |
| 19:38.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I think poverty programs should be reduced to pay for only those truly incapable |
| 19:38.34 | Uncle_Jesse | reduce unemployment = less money to pay in welfare |
| 19:38.52 | Uncle_Jesse | those people will just not have jobs - they are a minority, and a small cost to pay IMO |
| 19:38.56 | sjansen | Define incapable. Mentally deficient, or just immature. |
| 19:39.16 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: mostly mentally deficient - training programs can fix the immature |
| 19:40.40 | sjansen | Personally, I think that any welfare solution should include work, even if it's just digging ditches or sorting paperclips. |
| 19:40.50 | macnewbold | agreed |
| 19:40.53 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: I agree with that |
| 19:41.13 | lars-ut | Why get a job if your quality of life will lower as a result? Many mentally deficient folks understand that. |
| 19:41.14 | Uncle_Jesse | mentally incompetant are usually very good at repetitive tasks |
| 19:41.14 | macnewbold | everyone should be doing whatever their capacity allows to earn what they receive |
| 19:41.28 | macnewbold | everyone has talents |
| 19:41.48 | lars-ut | nice perspective, macnewbold |
| 19:42.26 | macnewbold | lars-ut: exactly... That's why I think we need to fix the programs so that people get benefits according to their needs |
| 19:42.37 | sjansen | Many people will find that they're happier if they have work, even the mentiall deficient. |
| 19:42.44 | lars-ut | agreed. |
| 19:42.45 | macnewbold | and yes, if you can do more for yourself, you need less help |
| 19:42.57 | macnewbold | but we shouldn't be subsidizing those who _choose_ not to work |
| 19:43.11 | elg | I think we should pay people in sheep toenails |
| 19:43.12 | macnewbold | sjansen: totally |
| 19:43.20 | Jayce^ | sjansen, it's totally true.. a friend is the regional manager for little sleazers.. a place that obviously hires lower wage folks.. |
| 19:43.42 | Jayce^ | often, the best workers there are the handicapped ones, givens tasks according to their abilities.. |
| 19:43.45 | elg | just because you don't have any sheep |
| 19:44.18 | macnewbold | okay, then let's make the currency based on chicken eggs instead |
| 19:44.22 | macnewbold | I've got chickens... |
| 19:44.28 | macnewbold | but sheep are just so messy |
| 19:44.31 | macnewbold | and ill-mannered |
| 19:44.38 | macnewbold | never following you when you lead them |
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| 19:44.46 | flyboy^ | I propose goats teeth as the new currency. |
| 19:44.51 | macnewbold | ~bonk flyboy^ |
| 19:44.53 | ibot | ACTION bonks flyboy^ over the head |
| 19:45.18 | flyboy^ | But I have a large collection of goat teeth. I'd be rich! |
| 19:45.59 | elg | i propose yak hair |
| 19:46.10 | Jayce^ | elg, yak shaving... w00t! |
| 19:46.29 | elg | but it was good in that it got me in a coding mood |
| 19:46.36 | lars-ut | Powedered Toast Man! |
| 19:46.38 | elg | so I feel ready to tackle the real task |
| 19:46.52 | Jayce^ | DBI->connect error: could not connect to server: \x04\xfe\xea\xbfP\xd6\xd5\n **** ack! |
| 19:47.17 | elg | you have wierd server names |
| 19:47.39 | Jayce^ | thankfully not in a production env |
| 19:47.43 | lars-ut | RyanVM's Windows XP Post-SP2 Update Pack |
| 19:47.43 | lars-ut | http://www.ryanvm.net/msfn/updatepack.html |
| 19:48.01 | lars-ut | good stuff for those who deal with XP |
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| 19:50.25 | elg | ~lart TimRiker |
| 19:52.03 | bonez39 | Does the fact that I can hit ctrl-alt-F1, - F6, to get around the gui screen lock....present a security threat? |
| 19:52.15 | macnewbold | that depends on how you look at it |
| 19:52.22 | macnewbold | they can probably get back to one of your shells |
| 19:52.28 | macnewbold | so that might be considered a security risk |
| 19:52.44 | bonez39 | is there anything to strengthen this? |
| 19:52.45 | macnewbold | but there are console locks you could run on that one |
| 19:52.54 | bonez39 | on the consoles too? |
| 19:53.07 | macnewbold | yeah, it's kind of like xlock, but just for a console window |
| 19:53.19 | macnewbold | I thought a friend used one called klock, but it might have been homebrew |
| 19:53.31 | macnewbold | basically they require a password before they'll let you do anything |
| 19:53.43 | macnewbold | as long as any logged in consoles are locked, and the gui is locked, you'd be okay |
| 19:54.12 | macnewbold | note that they can break the gui lock by killing your x server with CTRL-ALT-BKSP, but as long as the console is locked too, they won't be able to do anything |
| 19:54.52 | macnewbold | though they can always break in if they've got physical access, cause they can reboot the machine off their own media, become root that way, and then open up anything on the drive |
| 19:55.14 | macnewbold | so really, it's probably not anything to worry about unless you get lots of linux geeks with unsupervised physical access to your box |
| 19:55.44 | macnewbold | btw, I want to make an appt sometime soon, too :) priv msg me when you have a sec |
| 20:12.36 | flyboy^ | bonez39: Look at 'vlock" |
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| 20:13.35 | Hhhhh | hello guys |
| 20:13.44 | Hhhhh | anybody familiar with wxWidgets? |
| 20:13.50 | sjansen | Hhhhhello |
| 20:13.55 | flyboy^ | I played with it once, kinda kewl. |
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| 20:28.04 | elg | Hhhhh: nominally |
| 20:39.11 | Hhhhh | what do you recommend, doing wxWidgets in C++ or using wxPython? Also explain why |
| 20:49.14 | mrpull- | lars-ut-away: be careful, mheath's buddy might label you :) |
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| 21:02.18 | SB1-Work | Nothing like getting a call from the higher up saying "Where did all of my files go?" |
| 21:02.39 | SB1-Work | Then looking, and seeing |
| 21:02.42 | SB1-Work | That they're all gone. |
| 21:02.56 | Kuyaedz | ..and telling 'higher up' that its all his fault? |
| 21:03.20 | SB1-Work | No |
| 21:03.29 | SB1-Work | Someone had moved them all to another folder. |
| 21:05.56 | harleypig | <cheech & chong>Oh wow, man</cheech & chong> A christian sex shop: http://www.whollylove.co.uk/default.aspx |
| 21:05.59 | harleypig | msfw |
| 21:06.03 | harleypig | (m - mildly) |
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| 21:31.05 | beandog | Anyone want to humor the sed noob? |
| 21:31.16 | beandog | Is there a way to edit only one line of a file using sed? |
| 21:42.58 | sjansen | beandog: sure |
| 21:43.12 | tensai | http://www.nbc10.com/news/9406462/detail.html |
| 21:44.00 | Uncle_Jesse | selinux is a pain in the neck some times |
| 21:44.06 | sjansen | beandog: pinfo sed |
| 21:44.51 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: have you heard the audio for that? It's even funnier. |
| 21:44.55 | beandog | sjansen: yah, Ive got it open, Im just not seeing what Im trying to do. :T |
| 21:45.20 | sjansen | Could you give a little more detail about what you want to accomplish? |
| 21:45.40 | beandog | sjansen: sure, I have a CSV file, but the columns are not unique. |
| 21:45.56 | sjansen | and? |
| 21:45.58 | Jayce^ | tensai, what's more interesting, is they (aol-tw) had some reps get after us because our cancellation process took "up to 2 minutes", and were getting investigations on us |
| 21:46.09 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 21:46.12 | Jayce^ | we actually were forced to get it under a minute |
| 21:46.15 | ^Migs^ | my mother-in-law used to be an AOL customer retention specialist |
| 21:46.33 | beandog | So I'm trying to replace (from the header line) FOO,FOO,FOO with FOO1,FOO2,FOO3 |
| 21:46.39 | beandog | I've got that part down fine: |
| 21:46.45 | beandog | sed -n -e s/HP,HP,HP/hp0,hp1,hp2/i -e s/wp,wp,wp/wp0,wp1,wp2/i -e s/sa,sa/sa0,sa1/i -e '1,1p' test.csv |
| 21:47.10 | goozbach | http://www.nbc10.com/news/9354417/detail.html |
| 21:47.10 | beandog | then I added this to do just the first line |
| 21:47.13 | beandog | -e '1,1p' |
| 21:47.23 | beandog | but when adding -i, it saves only the first line. |
| 21:47.37 | beandog | that is entire csv becomes edited header line. |
| 21:51.14 | sjansen | beandog: You need to use addressing. |
| 21:52.04 | sjansen | sed -i '1 { s/HP,HP,HP/hp0,hp1,hp2/i ; s/wp,wp,wp/wp0,wp1,wp2/i ; s/sa,sa/sa0,sa1/i }' foo.csv |
| 21:54.13 | beandog | why the quotes and the brackets? |
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| 21:55.09 | beandog | I assume the brackets replace the multiple instances of -e s/foo/bar/i |
| 21:55.37 | sjansen | the quotes and semicolons replace the multiple -e |
| 21:56.16 | sjansen | the brackets allow me to add an address to all of the commands instead of adding an address to each command |
| 21:56.51 | beandog | Ok |
| 21:57.19 | beandog | The addresses part is confusing |
| 21:57.27 | beandog | .. |
| 21:57.31 | sjansen | check the info page on addressing |
| 21:57.43 | beandog | yah, thats what's confusing. :) |
| 21:57.47 | sjansen | you can do some useful stuff |
| 21:58.20 | beandog | I'm just trying to figure out how the syntax works |
| 22:00.10 | sjansen | Just like in Vim. |
| 22:00.32 | sjansen | It's actually a feature of ed, which both sed and vi are based on. |
| 22:02.12 | beandog | Hmm, well I'm no vim expert. |
| 22:02.34 | beandog | Oh well, that helps a lot still, thanks sjansen :) |
| 22:02.39 | beandog | at least know I have a much better starting point. |
| 22:02.44 | beandog | now |
| 22:02.46 | sjansen | Sorry I don't have time to explain more. |
| 22:03.00 | sjansen | Maybe you can corner elg when he comes back. |
| 22:03.05 | beandog | sjansen: no worries, thats just what I needed |
| 22:08.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Who know how to make wordpress NOT do the retarded "truncate posts" thing in the RSS feed? |
| 22:12.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 22:15.17 | beandog | ScytheBlade1: theres some option in the wp-admin to flag it, I cant remember where though. |
| 22:17.11 | TimRiker | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200000487390 <- "The goodest deal that exist on ebay at this hour." |
| 22:19.35 | RyanE_ | I'm always searching for the goodest deal. |
| 22:21.14 | RyanE_ | he was just quoting from that goodest deal. |
| 22:21.30 | RyanE | Would you buy a monitor from this man? |
| 22:21.44 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 22:21.57 | RyanE | with the picture (c)2005 CNET Networks |
| 22:23.39 | macnewbold | I know there's an easy way to do this, but I need reminding... I'm working on a host where I have no access to chsh and the shell is stuck in bash. I want to have it run a different shell instead when it starts up. I thought I could put that shell as the first line in .profile or something, but that isn't working. suggestions? |
| 22:23.56 | macnewbold | (first one to stay "stick with bash" or "why wouldn't you want bash" gets bonked) |
| 22:25.32 | mrpull- | macnewbold: are you looking for chshell? |
| 22:26.04 | macnewbold | sure, though usually it's called chsh on systems I've used |
| 22:26.17 | macnewbold | cmd not found |
| 22:26.29 | macnewbold | chsh: permission denied |
| 22:26.56 | sjansen | macnewbold: Become one with your inner Bash. |
| 22:27.02 | macnewbold | ~bonk sjansen |
| 22:27.04 | ibot | ACTION bonks sjansen over the head |
| 22:27.06 | tensai | if your user can't run it, you can use it as your shell |
| 22:27.08 | macnewbold | thanks though :) |
| 22:27.11 | mrpull- | doh. chsh is what I was talking about. |
| 22:27.11 | tensai | is it listed in /etc/shells? |
| 22:27.41 | macnewbold | I can run my shell just fine |
| 22:27.41 | macnewbold | I just can't run the chsh command to set it as my new default |
| 22:27.41 | sjansen | tensai: It looks like he doesn't have execute for chsh. |
| 22:27.44 | macnewbold | right |
| 22:27.49 | tensai | oh, duh. I was just wondering which shell chsh was... |
| 22:27.56 | macnewbold | I can't execute chsh (the change shell command) |
| 22:28.07 | macnewbold | though my shell of choice (tcsh) runs just fine |
| 22:28.15 | tensai | in your .bash_profile, exec /bin/tcsh |
| 22:28.22 | sjansen | macnewbold: tcsh? You _really_ need to move on, man. |
| 22:28.30 | macnewbold | ~bonk sjansen |
| 22:28.31 | ibot | ACTION bonks sjansen over the head |
| 22:28.37 | macnewbold | ~fish sjansen |
| 22:28.38 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen around with a large trout |
| 22:28.40 | mrpull- | it _does_ have to be listed in /etc/shells tho right? |
| 22:28.45 | macnewbold | yes, it would |
| 22:28.53 | macnewbold | to make it your default shell, anyway |
| 22:28.56 | sjansen | It'd actually be better to put it in .bashrc because .bash_profile is ignored in many common scenarios. |
| 22:29.07 | macnewbold | aha |
| 22:29.09 | macnewbold | that's the magic |
| 22:29.14 | tensai | I can never remember the difference between .bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 22:29.23 | macnewbold | beauty |
| 22:29.26 | macnewbold | ~hug sjansen |
| 22:29.27 | ibot | ACTION hugs sjansen |
| 22:29.30 | sjansen | mrpull-: It has to be listed in /etc/shells before chsh will let you choose it, but that's irrelevant if you can't run chsh. |
| 22:29.35 | macnewbold | I was putting it in .profile, when it should have been in .bashrc |
| 22:30.24 | sjansen | macnewbold: You _still_ need to move on. Just accept it, csh is dead. |
| 22:31.16 | tensai | all the cool kids use pdksh now |
| 22:34.09 | sjansen | ick |
| 22:34.27 | sjansen | Although I suppose pdksh is better than tcsh. |
| 22:36.16 | macnewbold | with just "tcsh" as .bashrc, it worked, but I had to exit from bash after exiting tcsh. when I changed it to "exec tcsh" it worked perfectly. |
| 22:37.59 | xbmodder_newlapp | I hate mail servers. People ban entire subnets |
| 22:39.41 | tensai | I hate puppies. When it rains my hair gets wet |
| 22:40.25 | xbmodder_newlapp | no, I mean I hate dealing with mail servers that people ban entire subnets on |
| 22:40.37 | xbmodder_newlapp | 66.92.0.0 |
| 22:40.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | is banned... |
| 22:40.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | :-( |
| 22:43.08 | tensai | said people clearly are either nuts or are willing to risk the consequences of lost mail |
| 22:45.13 | xbmodder_newlapp | yes, and I am dealing with someone who owns this server |
| 22:45.23 | xbmodder_newlapp | and they are saying that they are doing it for security reasons |
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| 22:45.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | because their consultants said to do it.. |
| 22:45.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | .:-| |
| 22:46.03 | tene | what is the 66.92 subnet? |
| 22:46.44 | xbmodder_newlapp | speakeasy-sfo |
| 22:47.29 | xbmodder_newlapp | and they banned 69.0.0.0-69.0.127.255 |
| 22:47.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | which is SBC |
| 22:47.57 | sjansen | tene: jello |
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| 23:15.53 | graphyx | oh wow. xbmodder has more nicks now than ever.. |
| 23:16.29 | xbmodder_ | two.. |
| 23:17.59 | tensai | graphyx: what does CAPI do? |
| 23:18.22 | graphyx | It is the tie in for cryptographic calls using x509 certificates. |
| 23:18.52 | tensai | wouldn't openssl be the equivilant then? |
| 23:20.26 | graphyx | It was asked of me by a collegue who has wandered off for now. so I don't think it is quite the same, yet I am unable to explain ehy. |
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| 23:21.27 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 23:21.41 | tensai | ~lart bots that are never around |
| 23:22.06 | graphyx | tensai: Those aren't the bots that you are looking for. |
| 23:25.34 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 23:25.44 | vontrapp | ~revive brac |
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| 23:27.30 | elg | wierd, he thought he was alive |
| 23:27.38 | elg | but apparently wasn't connected |
| 23:27.40 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 23:28.05 | vontrapp | ~botsnack |
| 23:28.06 | ibot | vontrapp: aw, gee |
| 23:29.58 | elg | ~hug nx |
| 23:30.00 | ibot | ACTION hugs nx |
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