| 00:04.06 | maquis | ~lart pmcnabb |
| 00:21.30 | Kuyaedz | I think I figured out thenetduck's problem. Looks like he didn't have ssh installed on the other end :) |
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| 00:25.37 | findlay | pmcnabb: thanks |
| 00:38.40 | maquis | ~lart bzflag! |
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| 00:41.41 | ducky | hey Kuyaedz |
| 00:41.55 | Kuyaedz | hey |
| 00:42.06 | ducky | Kuyaedz i needed to change it to eth1 instead of eth0 |
| 00:42.20 | ducky | i think it had somthing to do with what i selected on installation |
| 00:57.47 | nick125 | maquis: what did bzflag do to you? |
| 01:00.21 | maquis | nick125: my bots aren't playing nice... |
| 01:00.30 | nick125 | lol |
| 01:00.31 | thenetduck | sweet got er done ... im ganna eat be back |
| 01:06.25 | Kuyaedz | why does yum seem so much slower than apt? |
| 01:10.11 | maquis | Kuyaedz: because it is |
| 01:10.19 | Kuyaedz | good answer |
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| 01:25.19 | nick125 | why does yum suck more then apt? |
| 01:26.33 | Kuyaedz | ibot: yum |
| 01:26.35 | ibot | rumour has it, yum is Yellowdog Updater Modified, available from http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ |
| 01:26.45 | Kuyaedz | ibot: apt |
| 01:26.46 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. an infobot, the same instance of a blootbot as ibot, jbot, and purl |
| 01:30.46 | Kuyaedz-FC5 | nick125: what do you use? |
| 01:31.04 | tene | ibot: xlsqbq |
| 01:32.07 | nick125 | Kuyaedz-FC5: for what? package manager? distro? |
| 01:32.18 | nick125 | gentoo and emerge here :D |
| 01:32.22 | Kuyaedz | how can I change/update a definition I put in ibot? it says ...already has a definition |
| 01:32.37 | Kuyaedz-FC5 | ahh you're one of them Gentoo guys |
| 01:33.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | hey |
| 01:33.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | I am gentoo |
| 01:35.45 | nick125 | if people here don't like that I use gentoo, thats fine, but, I use what works best for me, and gentoo works best for me. if you don't like that, well, just shove it. I'm not sitting here "omg, you should be using gentoo", therefore, I don't want people saying that I shouldn't be using gentoo. |
| 01:36.34 | Kuyaedz | Ooh I don't care if you're a Gentoo guy.. I am just getting an idea of who uses what |
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| 02:36.30 | Kuyaedz | any suggestions for an AMD 1200 notebook, 256M sans HDD & won't boot from USB? |
| 02:42.50 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: PXE Boot? |
| 02:44.34 | Kuyaedz | it does have that option but I've never used it.. |
| 02:46.08 | goozbach | so I figured out why I was missing out on the pluglist |
| 02:46.18 | goozbach | my dspam daemon died |
| 02:46.27 | goozbach | all my mail was languishing in the queue |
| 02:47.53 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: I remember seeing a Knoppix Terminal Server distro that could set up a PXE environment super easily |
| 02:48.51 | Kuyaedz | does PXE boot from another machine over the LAN then? |
| 02:49.04 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: Correct |
| 02:49.41 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: the NIC has the smarts to connect to a TFTP server and boot off the network |
| 02:49.49 | Kuyaedz | hmm |
| 02:50.38 | Kuyaedz | so remote1 runs a PXE service and machine1 boots from that & runs everything over the LAN? |
| 02:50.55 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: Correct |
| 02:51.33 | mrpull- | PXE service really == DHCP + TFTP + NFS |
| 02:53.44 | Kuyaedz | if this thing would just boot from usb.. |
| 02:54.07 | mrpull- | i'm surprised it wont. that seems like a fairly recent machine. |
| 02:54.36 | Kuyaedz | not one of my 9 machines boot from USB.. |
| 02:54.45 | Kuyaedz | (granted half of them are PIII) |
| 02:55.42 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: it does have an optical drive tho? |
| 02:56.17 | Kuyaedz | yes |
| 02:56.39 | Kuyaedz | the 20G drive recently died. I've been running DSL on it for a while, but can't do a lot with it.. |
| 02:56.58 | mrpull- | the ubuntu livecds are nice |
| 02:57.09 | Kuyaedz | Yeah, but they're a little much for this little mem |
| 02:57.16 | mrpull- | ahh... true. |
| 02:57.23 | mrpull- | get out your wallet :) |
| 02:57.52 | Kuyaedz | Pfft.. not for this thing |
| 02:58.21 | mrpull- | donate it to stuporglue.org |
| 03:03.05 | Kuyaedz | Yeah, this Ubuntu LiveCD is way too slow.. DSL was nice but I couldn't get it config'd the right way |
| 03:04.26 | mrpull- | maquis: http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Knoppix_Remastering_Howto |
| 03:04.55 | nick125 | maquis: you could also use gentoo catalyst and master a cd that way.. |
| 03:04.55 | maquis | mrpull-: like that.. but really minimalist :) |
| 03:05.11 | mrpull- | slax maybe? |
| 03:05.49 | Kuyaedz | if I could get synergy working on DSL I'd use that but I couldn't do it.. |
| 03:07.19 | Kuyaedz-FC5 | apt wouldn't install it, compilers weren't installed to build it.. |
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| 03:15.23 | levi_ | maquis: How did your bzflag bots do? |
| 03:17.44 | maquis | levi_: not very well |
| 03:17.58 | maquis | we did better than the team that forfeited this morning, though |
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| 03:26.28 | levi_ | maquis: It's good to not be last. :) |
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| 03:27.54 | maquis | levi_: yup |
| 03:30.57 | levi_ | maquis: How many teams were there? |
| 03:31.52 | maquis | 13 |
| 03:33.43 | levi_ | Hah. I'm lucky to have a class with 13 students in it. |
| 03:34.06 | elg | -lart vont |
| 03:34.13 | elg | rats |
| 03:34.25 | QBFreak | ~lart rats |
| 03:34.29 | levi_ | elg: How's your SoC stuff coming? |
| 03:34.36 | elg | not as well as it should |
| 03:34.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | hey |
| 03:34.43 | elg | but I just got back from vacation so it should pick up |
| 03:34.56 | levi_ | Cool. |
| 03:35.04 | elg | vacation kills productivity, even when you intend to work some while on vacation |
| 03:35.15 | elg | got a cool leather-bound notebook from google |
| 03:35.19 | levi_ | I had a long weekend, and I got nothing done except the blessing of my baby. :) |
| 03:35.39 | maquis | levi_: that's exciting |
| 03:36.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | elg, congrats |
| 03:36.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 03:36.16 | elg | i'm worried. I ordered a wireless router and ups delivered it friday to my front door |
| 03:36.18 | levi_ | It was a bit nerve-racking, but nice. |
| 03:36.31 | elg | and the nice neighbors had some packages but that wasn't one of them. |
| 03:36.40 | levi_ | Uh oh. |
| 03:36.44 | elg | I'm hoping they put it somewhere else in their house or something |
| 03:36.50 | elg | have to talk to them tomorrow |
| 03:37.24 | elg | delivered at 2:43pm and she usually gets home between 5 and 6 so it would have been a small window for theft |
| 03:37.41 | elg | but it goes right along with the cisco 678 ebay seller whose email bounces |
| 03:38.01 | elg | i'm destined to have trouble keeping my internet connection undisturbed, I guess |
| 03:38.17 | levi_ | Ahhh, ebay. |
| 03:38.31 | elg | what's the policy on that, can I hold UPS to that? |
| 03:38.49 | elg | if it was stolen |
| 03:39.05 | levi_ | I dunno. |
| 03:42.08 | levi_ | I've just about got my drupal blog entries and comments all transferred to my new blog format. |
| 03:42.38 | mheath | Can someone /lastlog mheath for me? |
| 03:42.40 | levi_ | There are some pretty slick lisp database libraries. |
| 03:42.56 | nick125_lappy | 16:45 < xbmodder_newlapp> ~seen mheath |
| 03:42.56 | nick125_lappy | 16:46 <@ibot> mheath is currently on #utah (48m 52s), last said: 'xbmodder_newlapp, ?'. |
| 03:43.00 | nick125_lappy | 21:42 < mheath> Can someone /lastlog mheath for me? |
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| 03:43.17 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, ? |
| 03:43.17 | mheath | :P |
| 03:44.42 | mheath | I found a treat today. |
| 03:44.49 | mheath | I'm a HUGE fan of the Ender's Game series |
| 03:45.13 | mheath | But, for some reason I never knew about 'Shadow of the Giant' |
| 03:51.02 | mheath | ~lart recruiters |
| 03:54.10 | bertbob | OS Card has a web site with new ender stories |
| 03:54.18 | bertbob | intergalacticmedicineshow.com |
| 03:59.41 | bertbob | also the book of short stories that first introduced Ender's War has a story set in the Avenues, and some other very strange short stoires |
| 04:00.34 | bertbob | White Salamander, King's Meat, and They Put Their Blue Genes On come to mind |
| 04:00.38 | Kuyaedz | now this may get me /kicked but I didn't get into Ender's Game.. I finished it, but never went on. |
| 04:01.04 | bertbob | kuyaedz, it was better as a short story than as a novel |
| 04:01.32 | Kuyaedz | something about scifi I just can't get into.. |
| 04:01.48 | mheath | bertbob, I don't agree at all. |
| 04:01.57 | mheath | But, I connected with Ender's Game a lot more than most people. |
| 04:02.17 | bertbob | mheath, I really don't care if you agree or not |
| 04:02.18 | bertbob | LOL |
| 04:02.19 | mheath | Then again, I've actually been in a military setting where I've been uncomfortably and a bit unwillingly thrust into a leadership position. |
| 04:02.38 | mheath | A lot of what the novel details is things that I've rather directly felt. |
| 04:03.15 | bertbob | like killing your brother? |
| 04:03.35 | mheath | ..... |
| 04:03.40 | mheath | bertbob, you need to go read it again. |
| 04:04.19 | bertbob | surrogate brother, yes...or brother soldier, or ... |
| 04:05.31 | mheath | He never kills his brother. |
| 04:05.47 | mheath | He kills a bully at school, and a bully at Battle Schooly. |
| 04:05.49 | mheath | *School |
| 04:06.18 | mheath | ~lart recruiters |
| 04:06.20 | bertbob | and since his brother is also a bully, the circle is complete |
| 04:06.35 | mheath | ~lart SSGT Mosley |
| 04:06.54 | mheath | bertbob, he never kills his brother nor has any desire to do so. |
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| 04:07.12 | bertbob | if you say so, it must be so |
| 04:07.19 | mheath | bertbob, He's afraid of his brother when he's younger. |
| 04:07.23 | elg | phew. my wife had the package - thought it was for her without looking closely |
| 04:07.23 | elg | it is so |
| 04:07.34 | elg | nah, my brothers don't scare me |
| 04:07.50 | mheath | My brother might move here again! |
| 04:08.14 | mheath | Kinda sad. My brother might move here, right after I leave here... |
| 04:08.22 | mheath | At least I can see all my family members when I come home on leave |
| 04:25.24 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp: Why did you try to submit a story to DiGG about how you passed the Redhat Certified Engineer test? |
| 04:25.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | it got front paged |
| 04:25.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | for adsense $$$ |
| 04:27.14 | mheath | ...... |
| 04:33.38 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, so, you abused a news site and tried to show off about a minor, common accomplishment, purely for monetary gain? |
| 04:33.53 | mheath | Now I trust your business with the [clever] motto "Do no evil"! |
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| 04:34.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | that was a while back |
| 04:39.17 | mheath | I have one more question |
| 04:40.10 | mheath | Why is someone who lists on his resume that he is skilled with the operation of OpenSSH come into a LUG IRC channel to ask how to create a key? |
| 04:41.50 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 04:42.22 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, I wouldn't give you such a hard time, but I find this all rediculous |
| 04:42.31 | mheath | I was really thinking about going with Atarack for some stuff |
| 04:42.53 | nick125_lappy | that's why I usually manage the server :P |
| 04:43.00 | elg | mheath: if digg allowed him to profit off of submitting his passing the test, then digg is simply stupid |
| 04:43.08 | elg | regardless of the ridiculousness |
| 04:43.14 | mheath | but everything I know about you, and everything I can find, points to the fact that you lie, stretch the truth, and abuse things whenever possible, if it results in gain for you. |
| 04:43.22 | nick125_lappy | digg is just stupid |
| 04:43.29 | nick125_lappy | mheath: hmm? |
| 04:43.37 | mheath | nick125_lappy, talking to xbmodder |
| 04:44.23 | nick125_lappy | oh |
| 04:44.24 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, so far, you've offered me rediculous quotes in an effort to get me to sign up with you, and offered me illegal employment. Whats next? |
| 04:45.20 | xbmodder_newlapp | illegal employment, no, I thought you were moving out to san diego |
| 04:47.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | what ridiculous quote? |
| 04:49.23 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, in case you forgot, I tried to trick you - told you the specs for a $400 package a competitor offered. I told you that they sold it for $75, and you (eager to undercut) originally quoted me $69, if I remember correctly. |
| 04:49.32 | mheath | you've since increased that to $100 |
| 04:49.49 | xbmodder_newlapp | yeah, because I made a mistake in calculating it out. |
| 04:49.54 | nick125_lappy | thats because xbmodder got teh quote wrong |
| 04:49.55 | nick125_lappy | *the |
| 04:49.57 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 04:51.18 | mheath | Sorry, but I'm going to avoid intrusting my $200 to a 14 year old who tries to whore the fact that he passed a test to millions of people. |
| 04:51.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | ok... |
| 04:51.47 | xbmodder_newlapp | 15 year old by the way |
| 04:51.50 | nick125_lappy | I don't! |
| 04:52.00 | nick125_lappy | :/ |
| 04:52.27 | nick125_lappy | I don't have enough money to even take the RHC[T,E] |
| 04:52.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | you mean RHC[T,E,A,X,I] |
| 04:52.59 | nick125_lappy | yeah, whatever :P |
| 04:53.34 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, by the way, certs do almost nothing for you. Sad but true :( |
| 04:53.42 | xbmodder_newlapp | mheath, I realize that |
| 04:53.51 | nick125_lappy | mheath: very true.. |
| 04:54.36 | nick125_lappy | I've discovered that those certifications are just a worthless piece of paper |
| 04:54.57 | mheath | I have a year experience working in computer sales, repairs, and design. College experience in programming. A year experience in programming. A+ certification, Microsoft certifications, and its still impossible to find a job relating to computers. |
| 04:55.36 | xbmodder_newlapp | Didn't I just offer you a computer related job, and age is a major factor. |
| 04:56.54 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, considering how large of a percentage you offered me, and the fact that I'm not confident you know how to pay me legally, I don't consider that a serious job offer. |
| 04:57.15 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, are you aware that I'm under investigation for a top seceret secuirty clearance? |
| 04:57.21 | mheath | They look at financial records, check with the IRS |
| 04:57.36 | mheath | You make one error in how you pay me, forget to file one thing.....and you could screw up the whole process. |
| 04:57.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | no I wasn't |
| 04:57.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | soryr |
| 04:57.47 | xbmodder_newlapp | sorry |
| 04:58.11 | bertbob | participate in one little anti war demonstration |
| 04:58.17 | bertbob | oh nevermind |
| 04:58.28 | bertbob | that was MY top secret security clearance |
| 04:58.43 | mheath | bertbob, for the government or the DoD? |
| 04:58.55 | mheath | well, I mean...was it for the DoD or some other office? |
| 04:59.15 | mheath | (or were you joking?) |
| 04:59.19 | nick125_lappy | I was about to say..the DoD _is_ the government.. |
| 04:59.30 | bertbob | it was for running the computers that pretended to fight thermonuclear war in the 70's |
| 04:59.35 | bertbob | Do |
| 04:59.38 | bertbob | D |
| 04:59.46 | mheath | Ah, nevermind. |
| 04:59.57 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 05:00.20 | mheath | Because, if your military currently.......Security clerance findings fall under the Inspector General's office too. |
| 05:00.35 | mheath | Think that a ruling is corrupt, take it up your chain of cmmand to the inspector general |
| 05:01.14 | mheath | Though in the 1970's, I doubt they would have cared. |
| 05:01.19 | bertbob | the Strategic Air Command...I believe that is part of the Defense Department |
| 05:01.35 | mheath | bertbob, yep. My dad did a lot of work for the strategic air command. |
| 05:01.46 | mheath | Worked on a lot of computer equipment for systems related to Star Wars. |
| 05:01.49 | bertbob | that was a tongue in cheek comment |
| 05:02.09 | mheath | That cracked me up... |
| 05:02.29 | mheath | recently there was a big deal (and a slashdot article) about this new hightech plain the USAF just announced. It can shoot down missiles, using a laser! |
| 05:02.41 | mheath | I showed that article to my dad |
| 05:03.11 | mheath | And he started laughing, because back in the 1970's he worked on something almost identical to this 'brand new, futuristic weapon!' :P |
| 05:03.35 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 05:03.38 | nick125_lappy | nice |
| 05:03.43 | bertbob | yeah la bush resurected an old ronnie raygun idea, one that got him that name, in fact...that works sometimes if everything is just right and they know just when the missile is laucned |
| 05:04.37 | mheath | North Korea is going to test that missile soon.....hmmm. |
| 05:05.02 | mheath | International politics scares me, now that I can quite literally get thrown into the middle of it all. |
| 05:05.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | mheath, Rumour has it that bay area (where 30% of internet traffic goes through) is a possible target |
| 05:05.15 | mheath | ..... |
| 05:05.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | meaning #utah-xbmodder is a very likely thing in the near future |
| 05:05.57 | nick125_lappy | ..lol |
| 05:06.11 | mheath | xbmodder_newlapp, the missiles they're *testing* (launching a short distance into a deserted area with small or no payload) can barely reach a bit of Alaska. |
| 05:07.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | well anyway, the article stated that these could get to california's coastline |
| 05:10.11 | nick125_lappy | I'm so bored |
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| 05:39.25 | QBFreak | nick125_lappy: bored? make SVN::Log work with my repo :) |
| 05:39.38 | nick125_lappy | nah, I'm not *that* bored |
| 05:40.20 | QBFreak | right now I'm writing a script to parse the output of 'svn log' to replace that very thing, *sigh* |
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| 05:49.09 | mheath | Goodnight. |
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| 06:18.45 | nick125_lappy | QBFreak: you are writing it in python, right? |
| 06:23.09 | nick125_lappy | http://qdb.us/62012 < lol |
| 06:23.12 | brac | [QDB: Quote #62012] |
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| 07:05.52 | thenetduck | yo yo |
| 07:05.57 | thenetduck | anyone still awake? |
| 07:05.57 | xbmodder_newlapp | hey hey |
| 07:06.00 | xbmodder_newlapp | me me |
| 07:06.00 | thenetduck | hehe |
| 07:06.06 | thenetduck | sweeet.... |
| 07:06.11 | thenetduck | were you at the last lug meeting? |
| 07:06.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | I don't think so |
| 07:06.24 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 07:06.33 | xbmodder_newlapp | I am in the golden state |
| 07:06.39 | thenetduck | CA? |
| 07:06.51 | thenetduck | well fancy that ...... |
| 07:07.01 | thenetduck | hey you know anything about servers? |
| 07:07.05 | xbmodder_newlapp | sure... |
| 07:07.21 | thenetduck | i just set up a LAMP server and also set up ssh so i can connect to it remotely |
| 07:07.29 | thenetduck | but i don't know how to do anything with it |
| 07:07.45 | thenetduck | i wanna be able to set my DNS to point to it |
| 07:07.54 | thenetduck | so when i type in www.thenetduck.com it goes to my server |
| 07:08.10 | thenetduck | (i guess i wanna do what a server is ment for ) |
| 07:08.13 | xbmodder_newlapp | do you host your own DNS, or does someone else host it? |
| 07:08.21 | nick125_lappy | you could use powerdns.. |
| 07:08.22 | nick125_lappy | or bind |
| 07:08.41 | thenetduck | wait you mean i could host my own domain name? |
| 07:08.54 | nick125_lappy | do you have a domain name? |
| 07:08.58 | thenetduck | liya |
| 07:08.58 | thenetduck | ya |
| 07:09.02 | nick125_lappy | yeah, you can.. |
| 07:09.07 | thenetduck | wow how do i do that? |
| 07:09.09 | nick125_lappy | if you have 2 or more static IPs |
| 07:09.18 | xbmodder_newlapp | ok A) Who owns thenetduck.com |
| 07:09.19 | thenetduck | thats awsome i hate paying for domain names |
| 07:09.23 | xbmodder_newlapp | wait... |
| 07:09.32 | thenetduck | xbmodder_newlapp godaddy |
| 07:09.32 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, no, you still have to buy the domain name |
| 07:09.34 | nick125_lappy | you still have to buy the domain name |
| 07:09.42 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
| 07:09.50 | thenetduck | lol that would be asome though |
| 07:09.51 | nick125_lappy | we said the *exact* same thing |
| 07:10.18 | thenetduck | xbmodder_newlapp not godaddy its.. umm.... forgot their name but christer knows |
| 07:10.25 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, me and nick125 tried that, way tooo hard |
| 07:10.32 | thenetduck | ha ha |
| 07:10.33 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: its not too hard technically |
| 07:10.35 | thenetduck | i wanna do it |
| 07:10.45 | xbmodder_newlapp | to make your own registrar |
| 07:10.46 | nick125_lappy | it takes alot of time |
| 07:10.49 | xbmodder_newlapp | *dns db |
| 07:10.50 | xbmodder_newlapp | yeah it does |
| 07:10.53 | xbmodder_newlapp | alot |
| 07:10.53 | thenetduck | just leagly ? |
| 07:11.01 | xbmodder_newlapp | and you have to get alotta supporters |
| 07:11.03 | xbmodder_newlapp | but anyway |
| 07:11.07 | thenetduck | oh right |
| 07:11.08 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.12 | thenetduck | ya |
| 07:11.14 | nick125_lappy | whois++ |
| 07:11.16 | thenetduck | dynonames |
| 07:11.17 | xbmodder_newlapp | hehh |
| 07:11.19 | thenetduck | lol deer |
| 07:11.21 | thenetduck | deeer |
| 07:11.24 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, so you want to setup DNS? |
| 07:11.36 | thenetduck | umm ya... i think... |
| 07:11.45 | thenetduck | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | yeah |
| 07:12.06 | thenetduck | ok ya |
| 07:12.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | first of all |
| 07:12.22 | xbmodder_newlapp | lets go through the prerequisites |
| 07:12.26 | thenetduck | roger |
| 07:12.27 | nick125_lappy | 2 static ips |
| 07:12.29 | xbmodder_newlapp | A) Do you have a Linux server |
| 07:12.35 | nick125_lappy | thenetduck: whos your hosting provider btw? |
| 07:12.35 | thenetduck | yes |
| 07:12.39 | xbmodder_newlapp | B) Does that linux server have at least one static IP |
| 07:12.46 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: two |
| 07:12.53 | thenetduck | um..... yes |
| 07:12.58 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, he could host the secondary with us |
| 07:12.59 | thenetduck | just in my LAN network |
| 07:13.12 | nick125_lappy | thenetduck: you have to have one public static ip |
| 07:13.28 | thenetduck | you mean with my ISP ? |
| 07:13.28 | nick125_lappy | or, you could buy DNS hosting, or a VPS.. |
| 07:13.31 | nick125_lappy | yes |
| 07:13.34 | thenetduck | dang it |
| 07:13.35 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, one RFC 1918 address? |
| 07:13.44 | thenetduck | how much does that cost? |
| 07:13.46 | xbmodder_newlapp | you could buy DNS hosting |
| 07:13.49 | nick125_lappy | DNS hosting or VPS? |
| 07:13.51 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, who is your ISP? |
| 07:13.55 | thenetduck | comcast |
| 07:14.03 | nick125_lappy | VPS is $13 a month, and you can host whatever you want on it |
| 07:14.10 | thenetduck | sweet |
| 07:14.10 | nick125_lappy | you can setup DNS, etc on a VPS |
| 07:14.19 | xbmodder_newlapp | comcast -- I then reccomend you go to your nearest gun store, buy ammo, a gun, and fire into your skull :-P |
| 07:14.22 | nick125_lappy | hell, you could run game servers, etc |
| 07:14.24 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: LOL |
| 07:14.51 | thenetduck | well can i run a server that people can just download music from my webserver? |
| 07:14.57 | thenetduck | without a static ip? |
| 07:15.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, you could... |
| 07:15.16 | nick125_lappy | theres dyndns, but, you can't use your domain name with it |
| 07:15.26 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, do PM |
| 07:16.00 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, We can give you infinite DNS hosting for 6.95 a month |
| 07:16.02 | nick125_lappy | thenetduck: on a VPS, you can run your webserver, etc, on there.. |
| 07:16.20 | nick125_lappy | its like having a dedicated server |
| 07:16.22 | nick125_lappy | without the cost! |
| 07:16.38 | thenetduck | lol |
| 07:16.47 | thenetduck | well this was more of a learning experience for me ... but ok explain? |
| 07:17.10 | nick125_lappy | a VPS is like a normal linux box, you can install applications, etc, on it |
| 07:17.15 | thenetduck | a DNS i could then host other people's wesites |
| 07:17.18 | nick125_lappy | including DNS, mail hosting, web hosting, etc |
| 07:17.25 | nick125_lappy | we offer directadmin if you want to resell hosting |
| 07:17.31 | nick125_lappy | directadmin is like cpanel |
| 07:17.41 | nick125_lappy | its a $6 addon to one of our VPS plans |
| 07:18.05 | nick125_lappy | http://atarack.com/plans.cml < VPS #1 is our low-end plan |
| 07:18.05 | thenetduck | im a little confused on how it works ... is there a website i could go to and read up |
| 07:18.08 | brac | [Welcome to Atarack Communications!] |
| 07:18.23 | nick125_lappy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
| 07:19.46 | nick125_lappy | thenetduck: using Xen, we can put multiple "virtual" servers on a single dedicated server |
| 07:20.02 | thenetduck | oh ok that makes since |
| 07:20.13 | thenetduck | i was like ? wdf? how can they afford that |
| 07:20.20 | nick125_lappy | they can run their own applications, etc |
| 07:20.26 | nick125_lappy | if one VPS crashes, the others are still running |
| 07:20.36 | thenetduck | well thats cool |
| 07:20.40 | thenetduck | you guys are in CA? |
| 07:20.44 | xbmodder_newlapp | yes |
| 07:20.48 | nick125_lappy | I'm in NM, xbmodder_newlapp is in CA |
| 07:20.48 | xbmodder_newlapp | I am in california |
| 07:20.51 | xbmodder_newlapp | Silicon valley |
| 07:21.07 | thenetduck | just a quick question.... why are you guys in the Utah room?? |
| 07:21.13 | nick125_lappy | thenetduck: no clue :) |
| 07:21.15 | thenetduck | lol |
| 07:21.24 | nick125_lappy | we've asked ourselves that a few times |
| 07:21.25 | thenetduck | i think one of you are related to a utah guy? ... |
| 07:21.43 | xbmodder_newlapp | no, not even close. |
| 07:21.48 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:21.49 | thenetduck | i think i heard a guy at our lug meeting say he had a relitive inthe CV |
| 07:21.52 | thenetduck | lol |
| 07:21.55 | thenetduck | ok |
| 07:21.59 | thenetduck | just though i would ask |
| 07:22.18 | thenetduck | im moving in a week up to idaho |
| 07:22.25 | thenetduck | so ... |
| 07:22.28 | nick125_lappy | aah..sounds like fun |
| 07:22.50 | thenetduck | i dont even know if that matters... with location and all but i dont think im ganna use the vm |
| 07:22.54 | thenetduck | i mean |
| 07:22.55 | thenetduck | vps |
| 07:23.02 | thenetduck | but thats really cool |
| 07:23.03 | nick125_lappy | vm, vps, its the same..lol |
| 07:23.12 | thenetduck | riiight |
| 07:23.23 | thenetduck | ya im going to college to study computer engineering ... |
| 07:23.33 | nick125_lappy | technically, you aren't supposed to be hosting anything on your comcast line.. |
| 07:23.44 | thenetduck | really ... didn't know that |
| 07:23.51 | thenetduck | how do you then "host' things |
| 07:23.56 | nick125_lappy | its prohibited in their ToS |
| 07:24.02 | nick125_lappy | err |
| 07:24.04 | nick125_lappy | AUP |
| 07:24.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, you can, but it breaks their AUP |
| 07:24.13 | xbmodder_newlapp | that means they can disconnect your service |
| 07:24.18 | xbmodder_newlapp | and charge you |
| 07:24.25 | thenetduck | arrgh... |
| 07:24.40 | thenetduck | well how do people host websites then? |
| 07:24.53 | nick125_lappy | they get shared hosting, vps hosting, or something else like that |
| 07:24.56 | xbmodder_newlapp | on servers in datacenters |
| 07:25.14 | thenetduck | man i hate this... everything in the freaking computer world is illegal |
| 07:25.29 | thenetduck | no codecs ... |
| 07:25.32 | thenetduck | no hosting |
| 07:25.33 | thenetduck | no fun |
| 07:25.46 | nick125_lappy | http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp < section xiv |
| 07:25.53 | thenetduck | no way |
| 07:26.01 | nick125_lappy | # |
| 07:26.02 | nick125_lappy | # run programs, equipment, or servers from the Premises that provide network content or any other services to anyone outside of your Premises LAN (Local Area Network), also commonly referred to as public services or servers. Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers; |
| 07:26.33 | thenetduck | dang it |
| 07:26.43 | thenetduck | i was ganna try to set up a proxy server up next |
| 07:26.45 | thenetduck | grrr |
| 07:26.48 | xbmodder_newlapp | I don't actually believe its illegal |
| 07:26.54 | xbmodder_newlapp | proxy server -- from the outside? |
| 07:27.09 | nick125_lappy | it's not illegal, but, its prohibited by your (crappy) ISP |
| 07:27.53 | thenetduck | i wanted to set up a proxy server so that i could get past web blockers at school |
| 07:27.57 | nick125_lappy | VPSes are cheaper and easier then shooting yourself in the head with a shotgun |
| 07:27.59 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 07:28.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 07:28.22 | thenetduck | i know stupid reason... but i really don't like it |
| 07:28.26 | thenetduck | its areally annoying |
| 07:28.40 | thenetduck | and its not like im looking up porn or somthing |
| 07:28.50 | nick125_lappy | I hate those too |
| 07:28.59 | thenetduck | i have even been block for " educational informaton" |
| 07:29.03 | nick125_lappy | my school blocks wikipedia |
| 07:29.16 | thenetduck | now tell me how do you block education |
| 07:29.19 | thenetduck | if you are a school |
| 07:29.21 | thenetduck | dont make since |
| 07:29.24 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, mine blocked my web site |
| 07:29.24 | xbmodder_newlapp | heh |
| 07:29.32 | xbmodder_newlapp | they use stateful packet inspection |
| 07:29.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | so I had to use SSL to get around it |
| 07:29.46 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:29.58 | thenetduck | SSL ... |
| 07:30.11 | nick125_lappy | with a VPS, you get 2 static ips too :D |
| 07:30.12 | thenetduck | so is there another way to get around a web block without a proxy server? |
| 07:30.23 | nick125_lappy | not really... |
| 07:30.27 | thenetduck | cause they filter it out before it gets to the school |
| 07:30.44 | nick125_lappy | going though a proxy usually is what is needed |
| 07:30.45 | xbmodder_newlapp | thenetduck, have you made a decision: VPS, dns hosting, or dynDNS? |
| 07:31.06 | nick125_lappy | dyndns you can't use your domain name with :/ |
| 07:31.16 | thenetduck | xbmodder_newlapp explain the last two |
| 07:31.23 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125, you can pay 8.95 a month |
| 07:31.34 | nick125_lappy | DNS hosting is where we host your DNS for you, for a small monthly fee |
| 07:31.52 | xbmodder_newlapp | the DNS hosting: You get three DNS servers from us, we set it up so its dynamic, and we charge you a small monthly fee |
| 07:32.09 | nick125_lappy | dyndns means you run a program on your computer, and, when your IP changes, it will send a thing to the dyndns servers tell them you changed your IP |
| 07:32.38 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, exactly |
| 07:32.52 | nick125_lappy | thenetduck: if you would like to discuss this further, join #atarack would probably be best imho.. |
| 07:33.10 | thenetduck | so in my current postion... there is no possible way that i could host a website from my own server without pay more money? |
| 07:33.57 | xbmodder_newlapp | yes, but pay very little money more, or you could have people use your IP address, or dynDNS |
| 07:34.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | but both of those are prohibited by your ISP |
| 07:34.12 | nick125_lappy | well, the last two are |
| 07:34.27 | nick125_lappy | comcast sucks :/ lol |
| 07:34.51 | thenetduck | ya your right |
| 07:35.05 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:35.09 | nick125_lappy | I had them for 2 years |
| 07:36.41 | thenetduck | i wanna set somthing up kind of like this |
| 07:36.42 | thenetduck | http://christer.homeip.net:8888/ |
| 07:36.56 | thenetduck | where i can stream music from my server |
| 07:37.01 | thenetduck | so i dont expect much traffic |
| 07:37.18 | nick125_lappy | streaming music takes around 96kbit-128kbit per listener |
| 07:37.19 | thenetduck | i just wan to stick my ip up i guesss |
| 07:37.27 | nick125_lappy | most comcast lines have only 384kbit up |
| 07:37.39 | thenetduck | ya i only plan on having about ... one listener |
| 07:37.44 | thenetduck | maby two at most |
| 07:39.01 | nick125_lappy | plus, its also prohibited :/ |
| 07:39.04 | xbmodder_newlapp | so dynDNS? |
| 07:39.37 | thenetduck | whats dynDNS again? is that the straight IP ? |
| 07:39.51 | thenetduck | im just ganna do it for a week anyway |
| 07:39.57 | thenetduck | then moving to Idaho |
| 07:39.58 | nick125_lappy | no, they give you a subdomain name |
| 07:40.05 | nick125_lappy | <blah>.dyndns.org for example |
| 07:40.12 | thenetduck | oh |
| 07:41.15 | nick125_lappy | if you use a VPS, you can keep your stream running, even when you are in idaho |
| 07:43.11 | thenetduck | you guys program in java at all? |
| 07:43.24 | nick125_lappy | I don't, xbmodder_newlapp knows some java... |
| 07:43.56 | thenetduck | you ever program a plugin for azeures... (or however you spell it) |
| 07:44.17 | nick125_lappy | azureus |
| 07:44.21 | thenetduck | ya thats it |
| 07:44.45 | nick125_lappy | its hard to spell.. |
| 07:45.01 | xbmodder_newlapp | its a pain |
| 07:45.07 | xbmodder_newlapp | java |
| 07:45.53 | thenetduck | java is a pain? |
| 07:45.59 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 07:46.02 | thenetduck | oh .. . |
| 07:46.19 | thenetduck | well .. .i dont think its that hard.. just its a little repetitive |
| 07:46.45 | thenetduck | and lots of casting |
| 07:47.50 | nick125_lappy | I personally like python |
| 07:48.01 | thenetduck | im trying to learn python |
| 07:48.06 | thenetduck | so i can help program with Ubuntu |
| 07:48.31 | nick125_lappy | aah..python is pretty awesome :P |
| 07:49.49 | xbmodder_newlapp | python is sweet |
| 07:50.15 | thenetduck | well i like that you dont have to do crap liek |
| 07:50.26 | thenetduck | int thing = 4; |
| 07:50.46 | thenetduck | or BufferedReader buf = new BuefferedReader(Blah); |
| 07:50.57 | thenetduck | i hate that about java it gets annoying |
| 07:51.09 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 07:52.44 | thenetduck | well nice talking to yaall |
| 07:52.50 | thenetduck | its late for me so im going to bed |
| 07:52.55 | nick125_lappy | night |
| 07:54.00 | xbmodder_newlapp | nit |
| 07:59.40 | findlay | tin |
| 08:00.06 | nick125_lappy | foil |
| 08:24.50 | findlay | hat |
| 08:28.30 | nick125_lappy | on |
| 09:05.04 | findlay | nick125_lappy: you familliar with ebuilds? |
| 09:05.13 | nick125_lappy | why? |
| 09:05.18 | xbmodder_newlapp | findlay, what are you trying to do? |
| 09:05.31 | nick125_lappy | I've made them before |
| 09:05.50 | findlay | I'm trying to figure how to modify this ebuild to epatch something to the source |
| 09:06.09 | findlay | /usr/portage/x11-misc/fbpager/fbpager-0.1.4.ebuild |
| 09:06.30 | findlay | there's no src_unpack() |
| 09:06.41 | nick125_lappy | you have to make one them.. |
| 09:07.08 | findlay | it looks like it's using some kind of shorthand syntactic sugar |
| 09:07.18 | nick125_lappy | the "base" src_unpack() is like this: |
| 09:07.26 | nick125_lappy | src_unpack() { |
| 09:07.35 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.39 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.17 | findlay | so I need to overload that function? |
| 09:08.27 | nick125_lappy | } |
| 09:08.40 | nick125_lappy | in that src_unpack(), do your epatching after cd ${A} |
| 09:08.44 | findlay | isn't it cd $(WORKDIR)? |
| 09:09.01 | nick125_lappy | err |
| 09:09.13 | nick125_lappy | s/cd ${A}/cd ${S}/g |
| 09:09.31 | findlay | (: |
| 10:39.30 | findlay | any idea how I could filter MAKEOPTS? |
| 11:50.47 | nick125_lappy | hey... |
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| 14:16.35 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 14:23.09 | spr | ~lart emcnabb and sjansen |
| 14:24.05 | sjansen | http://buscaluz.org/leader.html |
| 14:25.47 | sjansen | ~smooch spr |
| 14:25.48 | ibot | spr: <smoochu> :-* |
| 14:29.41 | spr | ~slap sjansen |
| 14:29.46 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 14:30.18 | sjansen | ~punch spr |
| 14:30.20 | ibot | ACTION hits spr like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 14:32.27 | spr | I am "a mild mannered assasination victim" ie: Abraham Lincoln. |
| 14:32.49 | spr | ~bake sjansen |
| 14:32.51 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook spr, spr. |
| 14:32.59 | spr | ~cook sjansen |
| 14:33.00 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 14:34.55 | sjansen | heh |
| 14:35.04 | sjansen | ~assasinate spr |
| 14:38.23 | emcnabb | sjansen: I am Mother Teresa! |
| 14:38.27 | emcnabb | what the heck? |
| 14:39.46 | sjansen | And how is Mother Teresa described? |
| 14:42.39 | emcnabb | http://images.similarminds.com/leader/2.jpg |
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| 14:49.18 | sjansen | ~fart emcnabb |
| 14:49.25 | ibot | ACTION farts in emcnabb's general direction |
| 14:53.59 | elg | this is silly |
| 14:54.08 | goozbach | ~silly |
| 14:54.09 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, silly is 'a good question, the answer to which is "yes, i am"' |
| 14:54.44 | sjansen | ~tickle elg |
| 14:54.46 | ibot | ACTION jumps on elg, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 14:54.48 | elg | my brother on his mission can use email but apparently isn't allowed to go to other websites |
| 14:55.05 | goozbach | elg: welcome to silliness |
| 14:55.14 | elg | so he's always asking us to do things like "go to my homepage and grab this really cool render I made and send it to me in an email" |
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| 14:55.29 | elg | so he can show it to someone |
| 14:55.44 | goozbach | that's when you set up an email-cli interface |
| 14:56.16 | goozbach | echo "wget http://foo.com/really_cool.jpg" | mail -s command@foo.com |
| 14:56.33 | nick125_lappy | lol |
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| 15:03.13 | elg | gah. my family's openvpn cert expires the day after I get home. figures |
| 15:04.27 | tensai | ~expire elg |
| 15:05.02 | sjansen | hey, that's my job! |
| 15:06.15 | Jayce^ | sjansen, I got the same leader result as you... crap.. |
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| 15:39.59 | goozbach | I am JFK |
| 15:40.00 | goozbach | cool |
| 15:43.38 | sjansen | ~assasinate goozbach |
| 15:44.04 | roscivs | Sorry sjansen, you need two asses. |
| 15:44.29 | sjansen | ~assassinate roscivs |
| 15:44.39 | roscivs | There we go! |
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| 15:54.08 | levi_ | Morning, #utah. |
| 15:59.12 | RyanE | morning, levi with a tail. |
| 15:59.25 | nick125 | lol |
| 15:59.34 | sjansen | ~tail levi_ |
| 15:59.57 | RyanE | sjansen: why would you tail someone with a tail? |
| 16:00.43 | ^Migs^ | I don't need a tail. I have wings. |
| 16:00.47 | harleypig | So you could step on it. |
| 16:00.52 | sjansen | To catch him doing some sort of evil thing. |
| 16:01.33 | sjansen | Then turn him into the Department of Homeland Gestapo^?^?^?^?^?^?^?Security. |
| 16:01.54 | tensai | ~echelon fodder |
| 16:01.55 | ibot | well, echelon fodder is Bush, Uranium, Dirty Bomb, Jihad, Allah Akbar, TNT, Rent a van, assassination , NSA, wiretaps, sleeper cell, suicide bomb, vest, Oklahoma City, Waco, revenge, anthrax, virgins, fuse, great celebration, July 4th, detcord, martyr, timer, backpack, subway |
| 16:02.18 | sjansen | tensai Bin Laden dirty bomb cream pie President Bush Jayce^ Thursday Jihad |
| 16:07.04 | harleypig | Ok, after spending last evening going over docs on setting up and maintaining a mud, I've decided I don't want to do it. |
| 16:07.52 | harleypig | I think it would be fun to have a #utah based mud, but I don't have the time to do the administration. |
| 16:09.07 | mheath | harleypig, An Idle IRC type MUD? |
| 16:10.18 | nick125 | harleypig: how hard would it actually be? |
| 16:11.29 | goozbach | no, a true mud |
| 16:13.39 | mheath | Hmm. Slashdot posted an article about the latest kernel release |
| 16:13.53 | mheath | One of the new features it leasted was support for broadcom 43xx stuff |
| 16:14.15 | mheath | I thought this had been supported for a while, it just required firmware from a manufacturers driver. |
| 16:14.21 | mheath | Is this new/improved support? |
| 16:15.17 | sjansen | ~mud harleypig |
| 16:15.27 | sjansen | Fine, I'll do it myself. |
| 16:15.32 | levi_ | harleypig: What type of MUD were you looking at? |
| 16:15.51 | levi_ | harleypig: I've run MUD servers before; some are not hard at all. |
| 16:16.23 | harleypig | sorry, got busy |
| 16:16.57 | harleypig | mheath: I've been thinking about #utah-idlerpg, that's probably not a big deal |
| 16:17.05 | harleypig | but that's not what I was talking about. |
| 16:17.13 | harleypig | sjansen: :D |
| 16:17.15 | nick125_lappy | idlerpg wouldn't be too hard.. |
| 16:17.45 | levi_ | With a good MUD, you could even code a MUD-IRC gateway. |
| 16:18.09 | harleypig | levi_: All the docs I looked at described admin'ng a mud as a life consuming activity. |
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| 16:18.25 | levi_ | harleypig: They were probably talking about big, serious MUDs. |
| 16:18.41 | elg | -lart vont |
| 16:19.04 | levi_ | harleypig: That is definitely life consuming. Running one that's a playground for a small group of people takes very little time. |
| 16:20.15 | findlay | ~poke elg |
| 16:20.17 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind elg, pokes elg repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 16:21.43 | elg | tensai: was it you talking about the 678 not being fast enough? |
| 16:23.34 | harleypig | levi_: well, do you have any recommendations (I like the IRC-MUD gateway idea) |
| 16:23.39 | tensai | elg: no |
| 16:25.13 | levi_ | harleypig: Most of the servers I was associated with were of the TinyMUD style, which were more oriented towards social use and user building. |
| 16:26.13 | levi_ | harleypig: Of those, I liked MOO and Cold the best. |
| 16:26.23 | QBFreak | sounds a bit like the MARE I'm on, TinyMARE based on TinyMUSE iirc |
| 16:26.55 | levi_ | Yeah, kind of like those, but with a better programming language. |
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| 16:28.46 | levi | Cold has a much better language than MOO, but they're both pretty flexible compared to MUSH and MUSE. |
| 16:28.59 | elg | well someone said it's limited to like 1.5 |
| 16:29.06 | elg | but the xmission guys are telling me it can do at least 7 |
| 16:29.11 | elg | just thought I'd set the record straight |
| 16:29.25 | levi | The server that had the IRC gateway was also a Cold-based MUD. |
| 16:29.25 | elg | now if I could just get ahold of my 678... |
| 16:31.14 | levi | Ahh, good, the IRC code is available on the cold.org ftp site. |
| 16:31.52 | harleypig | tinymud seems to be almost 20 years old and i can't get to tinymud.net ... |
| 16:31.59 | harleypig | oh ... so I should be looking at cold instead? |
| 16:33.24 | levi | TinyMUD itself is way obsolete... it spawned a whole class of servers, though. |
| 16:33.51 | levi | The cold server is at cold.org/coldc |
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| 16:34.26 | levi | MOO probably has the most users right now, but I know Cold better. |
| 16:34.27 | sjansen | "Give me ambiguity or give me something else." |
| 16:35.09 | elg | oh no. I don't have it in me to read a thread titled "Eclipse is very nice, but..." |
| 16:37.24 | sjansen | Sure you do, it turns into a nice little flamewar with a plot twist and surprisingly fresh topic. |
| 16:37.36 | levi | elg: It's all about tabs vs spaces now. Avoid! |
| 16:37.40 | QBFreak | ~flame elg |
| 16:37.42 | ibot | elg sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 16:38.34 | sjansen | ~punish levi |
| 16:38.35 | ibot | ACTION forces levi to install and use Windows |
| 16:42.06 | levi | harleypig: Drop by cold.org port 1138 if you want to check out the Cold server. |
| 16:48.51 | Kuyaedz | ~seen lars-ut |
| 16:49.10 | ibot | lars-ut <n=lars-ut@70.103.228.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 20h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'good point.'. |
| 16:49.23 | sjansen | Geez, who would have guessed time is so complicated. |
| 16:53.24 | ^Migs^ | why is it whenever you spill water on your pants someone always has to make a "OMG U WET UR PANTS" joke? |
| 16:54.29 | QBFreak | I think my co-workers gave up, I generally run the dishwasher every night and get soaked |
| 16:54.32 | amcnabb | How often do you spill water on your pants? |
| 16:54.36 | ^Migs^ | not very often |
| 16:54.41 | amcnabb | Do you have a drinking problem? |
| 16:54.42 | ^Migs^ | but often enough that I notice a trend |
| 16:54.56 | ^Migs^ | I have a drinking problem, yes. When I drink from a cup I sometimes spill it. |
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| 17:46.48 | tensai | how many times must I explain the difference between the To header and the envelope recipient? |
| 17:46.58 | findlay | I'm in the mood for Haydn. The question is should I go for string quartets or symphonies? |
| 17:48.04 | findlay | tensai: that's the result of the equation explain = exp(t) where t is the number of seconds between explanations |
| 17:50.18 | sjansen | tensai: Hard to say, it's the Universe's way of punishing you. You're going to have to commit more good deeds than bad. Might I suggest that you start by coming down to Bountiful, building me a smoker, and making a bunch of smoked salmon for me? |
| 17:50.23 | Kuyaedz | findlay: ..I just noticed I don't have any Haydn in my collection.. |
| 17:51.52 | tensai | ~hug unison |
| 17:51.54 | ibot | ACTION hugs unison |
| 17:51.55 | tensai | ~kick outlook |
| 17:51.57 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 17:51.58 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 17:52.11 | nick125_lappy | unison? |
| 17:52.40 | tensai | ~unison |
| 17:52.41 | ibot | unison is probably a nice tool to syncronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 17:52.48 | tensai | that one |
| 17:55.08 | nick125_lappy | aah |
| 17:58.35 | goozbach | there's a cool game I wanted to make a daemon for |
| 17:58.40 | goozbach | the super-powers game |
| 17:58.47 | goozbach | you choose a super power |
| 17:59.22 | goozbach | the ammount of your HP to use for defense, |
| 17:59.38 | goozbach | a target and ammount of HP to attack, and go to town |
| 17:59.42 | goozbach | it's great fun |
| 17:59.59 | goozbach | played it over email, I want to write an IRC bot for it |
| 18:01.22 | goozbach | http://kevan.org/rumble.cgi?genre=hero&mode=rules |
| 18:01.27 | goozbach | rumble!!! |
| 18:09.37 | Kuyaedz | why is my FC5 installation of Apache only allowing connections from localhost? |
| 18:10.24 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz-FC5: have you ruled out firewall (IP tables) issues? |
| 18:10.47 | findlay | `emerge --search Haydn` doesn't bring up any music |
| 18:10.48 | nick125_lappy | is apache binding to 0.0.0.0? |
| 18:10.54 | nick125_lappy | findlay: lol |
| 18:10.55 | Kuyaedz | mrpull: I have not set any rules.. |
| 18:11.06 | Kuyaedz | this is a day old installation that I'm not too familiar with |
| 18:11.22 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: FC does set up some firewall rules by default |
| 18:11.42 | findlay | service iptables stop |
| 18:11.51 | findlay | try that |
| 18:12.10 | Kuyaedz | that works |
| 18:12.51 | Kuyaedz | so where can I edit the current rules to allow remote *:80 connections? |
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| 18:15.18 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz-FC5: from memory system-config-firewall |
| 18:15.46 | mrpull- | actually, maybe system-config-securitylevel ? |
| 18:15.50 | sjansen | Kuyaedz: First question, what interfaces is Apache listening on? |
| 18:15.56 | mrpull- | that is the redhat way... obviously you can do it the IP tables way |
| 18:16.03 | sjansen | netstat -tlp | grep http |
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| 18:16.12 | Kuyaedz | httpd.conf lists 80 |
| 18:16.30 | sjansen | Kuyaedz: That's the port, I want the interfaces. |
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| 18:17.39 | Kuyaedz | netstat returns: tcp 0 0 *:http *:* LIST EN 21782/httpd |
| 18:18.52 | sjansen | mrpull- is right system-config-securitylevel is the tool to make sure the port 80 is allowed (unless you know how read raw iptables config, in which case I recommend iptables-save) |
| 18:19.43 | sjansen | I'd ask you to submit the output of iptables-save to paste.lisp.org, but that's not such a bright idea security-wise unless you know how to scrub it first. |
| 18:20.36 | sjansen | Next, look at your logs. /var/log/messages & /var/log/httpd/{access,error}_log |
| 18:20.36 | Kuyaedz | its not a production server so it wouldn't be too much of a threat |
| 18:21.49 | sjansen | Any server connected to the Internet and your internal network should be considered production. |
| 18:22.05 | sjansen | It if isn't secure, it shouldn't be on the net. |
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| 18:22.44 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:26.04 | nick125_lappy | uh oh! attack of the killer squirrels! |
| 18:27.08 | findlay | ~squirrel nick125_lappy |
| 18:27.09 | ibot | ACTION send killer squirrels to attack nick125_lappy |
| 18:27.25 | ^Migs^ | this sucks. I spent hours yesterday making a web page template and now we don't even need it. |
| 18:28.27 | nick125_lappy | *bzzzzt* |
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| 18:34.53 | xbmodder_newlapp | *ZAP* |
| 18:43.31 | findlay | *POW* |
| 18:46.58 | goozbach | bang pow! right in the kisser |
| 18:47.29 | mrpull- | looks like Kuyaedz-FC5 fixed his firewall (or not) |
| 18:47.33 | findlay | pound bang bin bash |
| 18:49.24 | spr | no no, hash bang |
| 18:51.04 | Kuyaedz | mrpull: not sure what happened with the irc timeout. Only lost connection to #utah. |
| 18:55.22 | Kuyaedz | I installed system-config-securitylevel & 'trusted' http. Also turned back on iptables & I now have LAN access to http on that machine. |
| 18:56.47 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: good work! |
| 18:57.27 | xbmodder_newlapp | Who in here uses Comcast, and runs a server? |
| 18:57.43 | Kuyaedz | I used to.. |
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| 18:59.45 | Kuyaedz | mrpull: not sure I understand the reasoning behind limiting httpd to localhost by default. If you're installing apache you're *probably* going to be making it public anyway. |
| 19:00.22 | spr | Kuyaedz, I actually have apache on my laptop for local testing. |
| 19:00.43 | spr | Also, it's better to keep remote access off till you have it setup. An open port is a possible security hole. |
| 19:01.43 | Kuyaedz | I can't get over how slow yum is compared to apt.. |
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| 19:10.42 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: i suppose that developers don't need to expose httpd... and perhaps some webbased config tools for local administration shouldn't be exposed |
| 19:11.03 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: but it is just a default on the side of safety |
| 19:11.44 | mrpull- | Kuyaedz: yum is slow. but it is faster than it used to be. |
| 19:16.36 | Kuyaedz | It is nice to err on the side of safety, it's just different than what I'm used to. |
| 19:16.51 | tensai | poll: ubuntu or kubuntu? |
| 19:17.00 | Kuyaedz | My web/mail servers are Ubuntu boxen so FC is a tad different for me so far. |
| 19:17.08 | Kuyaedz | ubuntu /me doesn't care for KDE |
| 19:19.20 | Kuyaedz | I run gnome or Xfce on my machines |
| 19:19.23 | findlay | although GNOME has it's attractive points too |
| 19:19.41 | unum | debian w/gnome |
| 19:20.02 | tensai | I've used kde since gnome 2.0 came out. I'm giving it a try again. |
| 19:20.29 | unum | I actually avoided any desktop for a long time and finally gave in |
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| 19:21.57 | Kuyaedz | someone remind me how to set the root mysql password after installing mysql-server? |
| 19:25.19 | xbmodder_newlapp | what version? |
| 19:25.39 | sjansen | *burp* |
| 19:26.04 | xbmodder_newlapp | sjansen, hey, whats up? |
| 19:27.20 | sjansen | tensai: ubuntu |
| 19:27.46 | sjansen | Kuyaedz: google can |
| 19:28.21 | findlay | flubuntu |
| 19:28.22 | Kuyaedz | sjansen: mentioning Google.. the more subtle version of RTFM :) |
| 19:32.35 | findlay | harleypig: I have another perl question (-: |
| 19:34.15 | findlay | I was able to get eval('1*2*3 + 4*exp(5)') to return 3 for some reason, so I trimmed the expression down to '1*2*3 + 4' thinking there was some kind of integer restriction somewhere |
| 19:34.50 | findlay | and that returned 10 just fine, so I changed it to eval('1*2*3 + 4.1') which returned 10.1 |
| 19:35.00 | harleypig | findlay: shoot |
| 19:35.09 | harleypig | oh ... there it is |
| 19:35.37 | findlay | which chagrined me, so I returned it to the original expression of eval('1*2*3 + 4*exp(5)') which now returns 599.652636410306 |
| 19:35.47 | findlay | how did that happen? |
| 19:36.03 | harleypig | dunno ... just a sec |
| 19:37.02 | harleypig | I'm getting 599... in the perl debugger ... are you sure you didn't fat finger it the first time? |
| 19:37.08 | findlay | yes |
| 19:37.48 | findlay | I'm thinking it has to do with the weird environment that this perl code runs in, which I don't fully understand |
| 19:38.11 | harleypig | it returned 3 the first time? |
| 19:38.15 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:38.32 | harleypig | that makes no sense ... |
| 19:38.38 | findlay | but I did a control test in a normal perl script and it returned the right answer the first time |
| 19:38.54 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:39.21 | harleypig | I can't imagine what would cause that expression to return 3 ... |
| 19:39.30 | harleypig | are you able to reproduce it? |
| 19:40.20 | harleypig | mmmm ... marinated mushrooms on cooked cow parts .... |
| 19:41.17 | findlay | well, I thought if I stopped the apache process it would reset somehow but it didn't give me the magic 3 |
| 19:42.20 | findlay | restarted apache, still no 3 |
| 19:42.48 | findlay | weird. Maybe I did have a flaw in the source |
| 19:44.34 | harleypig | sorry, don't have an answer for that one |
| 19:44.44 | sjansen | ~marinate harleypig |
| 19:44.53 | sjansen | ibot: No! Wait! On second thought, don't! |
| 19:44.57 | harleypig | *hic* |
| 19:46.01 | findlay | my main concern is trying to eval an expression of the form '1*2*3*4' causes an error andd I can't figure out why |
| 19:46.06 | harleypig | thash nuthin' |
| 19:46.20 | harleypig | what's the error? |
| 19:46.37 | findlay | it's silent |
| 19:46.45 | findlay | a silent error. Crappy |
| 19:46.48 | harleypig | ? |
| 19:47.12 | harleypig | Oh ... no it's hidden. In your code, right after the eval add die $@ if $@ |
| 19:47.32 | harleypig | eval puts any error messages the code generates in $@ |
| 19:48.21 | harleypig | But I can't see what error would be caused by $a*$b*$c*$d except maybe an overflow error. |
| 19:48.44 | sjansen | ~tease perl |
| 19:48.45 | ibot | ACTION tickles perl with a feather and makes perl rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 19:49.01 | findlay | harleypig: already checked that |
| 19:49.02 | harleypig | otflmaopimp-ing? |
| 19:49.15 | harleypig | The $@ or the overflow? |
| 19:49.36 | sjansen | laughing my *** off peeing in my pants |
| 19:50.27 | findlay | the overflow |
| 19:50.40 | harleypig | sjansen: oh ... what's the -ing on the end of that then? |
| 19:50.47 | harleypig | findlay: see what $@ gives you |
| 19:52.04 | ^Migs^ | harleypig, that whole acronym is technically a verb, so the -ing is apropos |
| 19:52.32 | ^Migs^ | acroverb |
| 19:52.36 | harleypig | ^Migs^: I see. Correct grammar for a net acronym? |
| 19:52.42 | ^Migs^ | right |
| 19:52.42 | sjansen | I don't know about apropos, but it is understandable. Just bad grammar is my guess. |
| 19:53.01 | ^Migs^ | no, it's proper for an acroverb |
| 19:53.08 | harleypig | omg |
| 19:53.23 | harleypig | I'm gonna tell my mom that one ... she'll have a fit. |
| 19:53.27 | findlay | $@ is empty |
| 19:53.29 | harleypig | She was an english teacher. |
| 19:53.41 | harleypig | wierd ... so how do you know there is an error? |
| 19:53.54 | findlay | because it fails to print half the page |
| 19:54.05 | harleypig | well, not wierd ... that just means there wasn't a syntax error and the code didn't die. |
| 19:54.08 | findlay | it gets to that one statement and stops |
| 19:54.17 | sjansen | ^Migs^: You're making that up, and I'm making up the fact that you wrong. |
| 19:54.18 | findlay | or exits or something |
| 19:54.26 | ^Migs^ | too many english teachers have corks up their butts. English is a dynamic, fluid language that is constantly in flux. There are no "rules" of English. Just recommendations. |
| 19:54.51 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Foo the blarg you up slip red mighty! |
| 19:54.51 | harleypig | ^Migs^: True ... which is why I'm gonna tell my mom about acroverbs. |
| 19:55.14 | ^Migs^ | I hope you do. |
| 19:55.21 | sjansen | Of course there are rules, but all the good ones boil down to: don't be confusing. |
| 19:55.25 | ^Migs^ | and I'm going to add acroverb to urbandictionary to make it official. |
| 19:55.29 | harleypig | Actually, my mom is ok with change in the language ... it just has to be accepted by the OED team. |
| 19:55.29 | ^Migs^ | exactly |
| 19:55.38 | ^Migs^ | if no one ELSE understands the meaning of your sentence, your sentence isn't useful. |
| 19:56.02 | Uncle_Jesse | are there any built in functions in Perl for tracing back the source of a function call? |
| 19:56.06 | harleypig | Sure it is ... it just has a limited usability. |
| 19:56.14 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: yeah, caller |
| 19:56.18 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm trying to see if sub glob() is being overwritten somewhere |
| 19:56.37 | ^Migs^ | good point. Such as a password reminder. |
| 19:56.50 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: If you're running with -w you'll get an error message stating that it has been. |
| 19:56.54 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: awesome! Thanks - hadn't used that before |
| 19:57.05 | Uncle_Jesse | (caller) |
| 19:57.15 | sjansen | ~call Uncle_Jesse |
| 19:57.17 | ibot | ACTION looks around and then screams out Uncle_Jesse as loudly as possible |
| 19:57.18 | harleypig | welcome |
| 19:57.24 | harleypig | :D |
| 19:57.32 | findlay | harleypig: so do you know why it would stop interpreting on an eval statement? |
| 19:57.46 | harleypig | without an error? |
| 19:57.48 | harleypig | ... |
| 19:57.52 | harleypig | segfault? |
| 19:58.08 | harleypig | but that would bring down the whole process... |
| 19:58.19 | harleypig | is the script just stopping at that point? |
| 19:58.34 | harleypig | or is it continuing on and just not printing anything else? |
| 19:58.46 | findlay | test print statements in the code after don't get printed |
| 19:59.01 | findlay | but before the do |
| 19:59.24 | harleypig | hmmm ... then print the actual string before evaling it, along with the values and see if you can reproduce it in a bare debug environment. |
| 20:00.35 | findlay | this is the string: "1*4.95*31.96*92345" |
| 20:01.05 | findlay | if I eval any arbitrary numerical string it works |
| 20:01.17 | harleypig | well, that wouldn't cause a overflow ... |
| 20:01.26 | findlay | could there be some nonprintable character in there causing problems? |
| 20:01.43 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: would I just use it as "print caller(glob());"? |
| 20:01.43 | harleypig | oh, wait ... is that the actual string being executed by the code? |
| 20:01.54 | Uncle_Jesse | (to find the context of glob()) |
| 20:02.12 | findlay | that's the string that is being passed to eval |
| 20:02.21 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: I don't think you phrased your question quite correctly ... you asked about tracing a function call right? |
| 20:02.40 | harleypig | you usualy use caller from within a subroutine to see where it was called from. |
| 20:03.05 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: I want to find where a function is running from when I call it |
| 20:03.09 | harleypig | But looking at your second statement, you want to know where a subroutine is being defined. |
| 20:03.29 | findlay | the strange thing is if I `eval($string) and die $@ if $@` the rest of the sub executes normally |
| 20:03.32 | Uncle_Jesse | aka when I run glob() is it being overwritten and called by another package? |
| 20:04.05 | harleypig | you're using that exactly? "eval($string) and die $@ if $@" |
| 20:04.09 | findlay | yes |
| 20:04.33 | harleypig | o_O |
| 20:05.07 | findlay | this is with mod_perl on apache-1.3 |
| 20:05.22 | Uncle_Jesse | isn't it eval{ }; |
| 20:05.28 | Uncle_Jesse | or does the other way work as well? |
| 20:05.31 | findlay | can be |
| 20:05.33 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: glob would have to have been overwritten prior to your calling it |
| 20:05.46 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: that's what I'm trying to figure out |
| 20:05.47 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: eval can be run a number of ways ... but that's a good point. |
| 20:06.19 | harleypig | if you're running with -w you will see an error message that says sub glob rewritten or something similar |
| 20:06.47 | Uncle_Jesse | I think -w may be overwritten as well though - this is a pretty controlled environment |
| 20:06.53 | harleypig | if you print $string before hand what does it look like? |
| 20:07.07 | harleypig | You can't overwrite -w |
| 20:07.15 | harleypig | You can override it with $^W |
| 20:07.23 | harleypig | is that what you mean? |
| 20:07.52 | findlay | harleypig: it's that string I pasted |
| 20:07.55 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm not sure - just know that the server that this thing runs through does a bunch of changes to the perl code |
| 20:08.52 | findlay | eval{$string} returns the string unchanged |
| 20:09.16 | Uncle_Jesse | should there be a ; after that? |
| 20:09.24 | Uncle_Jesse | guess if it's the only line no |
| 20:09.40 | findlay | ; yeah |
| 20:10.45 | findlay | that's weird, so if I manually assign `$string = "1*4.95*31.96*92345"` then it works |
| 20:13.52 | Uncle_Jesse | question - glob() is supposed to return an array of filenames, right? |
| 20:14.39 | findlay | perldoc -f glob? |
| 20:17.25 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: already did that - I'm reading that's what it's supposed to return - I'm curious if I'm reading it right |
| 20:18.26 | findlay | so how can I filter out nonprintable characters? |
| 20:18.39 | findlay | Uncle_Jesse: it looks like it returns an array |
| 20:20.41 | Uncle_Jesse | weird - under this environment Dumper() returns a hashref string for glob |
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| 20:41.13 | levi | Hmm, so I'm considering buying a VW Eurovan with a camper top. |
| 20:41.21 | macnewbold | cool |
| 20:41.30 | sjansen | hippie |
| 20:41.36 | macnewbold | that's like a total babe magnet |
| 20:41.51 | levi | I'm married, and my wife thinks it's cool, so that's not an issue. :) |
| 20:42.10 | levi | It is in somewhat less than pristine condition, though. |
| 20:42.24 | flyboy^ | It's got to have some rust on the side panels. |
| 20:42.30 | goozbach | oh yeah |
| 20:42.40 | goozbach | make sure to turn the top into a ski jump |
| 20:42.41 | levi | It does have some rust. |
| 20:42.47 | flyboy^ | Perfect |
| 20:43.01 | goozbach | then you can back into a mountain, pile up some snow at teh transition point, and jump stuff |
| 20:43.54 | goozbach | don't verb nor antipormorphise words, they don't like it |
| 20:44.13 | RyanE | a friend of ours just bought a vanagon back east, and drove it out here. |
| 20:44.20 | RyanE | all I can say is: takes all kinds. |
| 20:44.37 | levi | My parents had a vanagon when I was younger. |
| 20:44.44 | levi | It was great for road trips. |
| 20:45.13 | levi | It sleeps 4 fairly comfortably. |
| 20:45.20 | RyanE | yeah, won't really work for me. :) |
| 20:45.34 | RyanE | but the kids had fun sleeping out there before she drove it back to Phoenix |
| 20:46.01 | RyanE | I thought they were rare in these parts, but as soon as one was parked in my driveway, I was seeing them all over. |
| 20:47.14 | levi | I could sell my Solara, buy the Eurovan, and have money to spare! |
| 20:47.45 | elg | levi: we used to have a vanagon |
| 20:47.47 | elg | with camper top |
| 20:47.48 | elg | and sink |
| 20:47.52 | elg | and portapotty |
| 20:48.30 | harleypig | ah crap ... I have to upgrade to apache2 to get some stuff to work |
| 20:48.41 | RyanE | I dropped in to tell my tale of woe. I just made a $300 hardware mistake. |
| 20:49.34 | levi | elg: This one doesn't have the camper stuff, just the pop-top. |
| 20:49.46 | RyanE | I just spent 2 hours configuring a security panel for a demo for an upcoming show, and after it was all set to go, I was packing it up, unplugged a battery terminal, dropped it right onto the security panel main board, and FZZZZT! Fried the Security Panel. |
| 20:50.01 | levi | RyanE: Oops! |
| 20:50.04 | RyanE | man, I hate it when I do stupid things. |
| 20:50.24 | RyanE | cubicle-neighbors commented on the lovely silicon burning smell. |
| 20:52.45 | RyanE | I guess the lesson is: never unplug the battery wire from the *security panel*, but just from the battery itself. |
| 20:52.54 | goozbach | magic smoke++ |
| 20:53.34 | hell-ro | any recommendations on webcams under Linux? |
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| 20:55.59 | Kuyaedz | hell-ro: My intel cam works well enough.. (can't think of the model offhand) |
| 20:56.14 | hell-ro | well, when you know...I'd like to as well |
| 20:56.28 | hell-ro | also, what software is out there to make use of it? |
| 20:56.53 | RyanE | hell-ro: setting up a webcam-based version of Lard Wars? ewwwwww. |
| 20:56.56 | hell-ro | I am trying to setup a video conference between my son (Windows XP Home) and myself |
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| 20:56.58 | Kuyaedz | I'm actually looking for software myself. It works, but I don't know how to broadcast it. i was using the xP box for that. |
| 20:57.05 | hell-ro | ~lart RyanE |
| 20:58.03 | RyanE | someone did a demo of sending using conferencing software under Linux a couple of years ago, at the BYU UUG. I know they said it was compatible with netmeeting on Windows. |
| 20:58.07 | RyanE | I think it was Gnomemeeting. |
| 20:58.14 | RyanE | assuming you have a V4L driver for your webcam |
| 20:58.28 | hell-ro | don't know yet, haven't gotten that far, but will |
| 20:58.51 | RyanE | I think most do have Linux drivers these days, but always good to have a good return policy |
| 20:59.03 | hell-ro | that's why I am asking questions about it now - before i buy |
| 20:59.26 | RyanE | I know my dumb little Intel webcam worked under Linux, but it's pretty old. |
| 20:59.28 | harleypig | findlay: ever get that problem fixed? |
| 20:59.49 | findlay | harleypig: no |
| 21:00.05 | findlay | ~lart the inventor of the blink tag |
| 21:00.18 | findlay | ~lart stupid blink tags |
| 21:00.22 | harleypig | ~maim the inventor of the blink tag |
| 21:00.24 | hell-ro | RyanE: can you send me a link on yours? It doesn't have to be great, just work well enough to see my son for 10-20 mins at a time |
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| 21:00.32 | findlay | ~lart teh blink tag |
| 21:00.38 | findlay | yeah |
| 21:01.12 | RyanE | mine came with my computer from Intel, after they laid me off. |
| 21:01.18 | RyanE | no idea what model or other info. |
| 21:01.19 | findlay | only wish ibot really did it |
| 21:02.40 | mrpull- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.04 | hell-ro | RyanE: hmm, thanx |
| 21:03.14 | RyanE | if I remember when I get home, I'll look it up. |
| 21:12.53 | sjansen | hell-ro: Get to work! |
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| 21:14.18 | Migs | OMGPROMOTION |
| 21:14.24 | sjansen | Wasn't GnomeMeeting renamed to something strange? |
| 21:14.26 | findlay | lart screaming gutiar and voice sounds that are passed off as music |
| 21:14.30 | findlay | ~lart screaming gutiar and voice sounds that are passed off as music |
| 21:14.45 | hell-ro | ~pimpslap sjansen |
| 21:14.47 | ibot | hell-ro pimpslaps sjansen. ouch! |
| 21:14.56 | hell-ro | sjansen, I am working |
| 21:15.45 | sjansen | Suuuuuure. I saw you there, kicked back sipping a pina colada, reading a comic book, eating fresh strawberries. |
| 21:16.40 | hell-ro | mmm, fresh strawberries, even on lardwars I can have that!! |
| 21:16.42 | sjansen | hell-ro: BTW, you really don't need all three of those young ladies to fan you. It's a little warm in here, mind sending one over? |
| 21:17.01 | hell-ro | sure, but they might get vicious and ornery |
| 21:17.11 | hell-ro | they liked fanning me |
| 21:17.18 | sjansen | Oh, if they'll get lonely feel free to send all three. |
| 21:17.41 | hell-ro | they won't get lonely, I have plenty of time to tend to them.... |
| 21:18.15 | Kuyaedz | he's got plenty of time because... he's working? |
| 21:18.21 | hell-ro | ~flick sjansen |
| 21:18.32 | hell-ro | ~trout Kuyaedz |
| 21:18.33 | ibot | ACTION slaps Kuyaedz around a bit with a large trout! |
| 21:19.00 | hell-ro | Kuyaedz: troubleshooting class = students do troubleshooting, I do research on webcams |
| 21:19.06 | hell-ro | :-P |
| 21:19.28 | hell-ro | ~honeyshiv |
| 21:19.29 | ibot | honeyshiv is probably Kuyaedz ultimate weapon is Carcassonne |
| 21:19.33 | Kuyaedz | sure worked well during the game |
| 21:19.33 | hell-ro | already don |
| 21:19.52 | hell-ro | oh, you mean ~honeyshiv Kuyaedz and the like? |
| 21:20.04 | Kuyaedz | the definition is done. i want the action. ie; ibot shivs hell-ro to death with plastic-wrapped honey |
| 21:20.07 | hell-ro | yeah, I still leak honey from that shiv.... |
| 21:20.21 | hell-ro | punk |
| 21:20.40 | Kuyaedz | who's the punk? your ribs popped my shiv |
| 21:21.09 | hell-ro | and then you threw it, I wanted the honey!!! |
| 21:21.12 | hell-ro | so you are |
| 21:21.34 | Kuyaedz | damn |
| 21:21.54 | sjansen | ~language Kuyaedz |
| 21:21.55 | ibot | ACTION grabs Kuyaedz by the ear and washes Kuyaedz's mouth out with soap |
| 21:22.00 | macnewbold | nice |
| 21:22.23 | sjansen | (Because maquis is "too busy" lately.) |
| 21:22.45 | macnewbold | somebody's got to do it |
| 21:22.57 | macnewbold | maybe we should set up auto-language in ibot |
| 21:23.09 | macnewbold | ~set channel rating PG |
| 21:23.16 | sjansen | Then it'd just become a game. |
| 21:23.17 | macnewbold | ~set autolanguage on |
| 21:23.56 | macnewbold | yeah, but ibot has ops in here, so after the 3rd warning it would kick you |
| 21:24.28 | sjansen | Hence the sport. |
| 21:24.36 | macnewbold | after the 4th one, it kicks you and won't let you back in for 15-30 minutes... |
| 21:24.50 | macnewbold | then doubles the penalty with each successive offense |
| 21:25.11 | flyboy^ | Hot Chocolate .... MMMMM. |
| 21:25.14 | sjansen | How then will we discuss the eternal damnation of the wicked? |
| 21:25.15 | flyboy^ | Good any time of year. |
| 21:25.24 | flyboy^ | Give me a cup of the stuff in the middle of August. |
| 21:25.35 | macnewbold | it would probably also need to check linked nicks, and maybe IP addresses to keep repeat offenders from simply renaming |
| 21:26.04 | sjansen | And wouldn't it just be rubbing salt in the wounds of some poor husband the comes online to share the fact that his wife was recently diagnosed with breast cancer? |
| 21:26.16 | sjansen | Three mammary references and he'd be gone. |
| 21:27.13 | sjansen | Stupid language filters are really annoying. Better to gang up and physically hunt people down. |
| 21:28.32 | RyanE | more fun! and social, too! |
| 21:29.19 | findlay | harleypig: any easy way to filter out dangerous characters from an untrusted string thus making it safe? |
| 21:29.29 | findlay | "safe" |
| 21:32.42 | RyanE | yeah. inputstring = ""; Done. All dangerous characters filtered out. Definitely safe. |
| 21:33.27 | findlay | but the baby is still with the bathwater |
| 21:33.48 | RyanE | baby-safe filter? |
| 21:34.20 | findlay | perl -MCPAN "install Baby-Safe::Filter" |
| 21:35.52 | RyanE | I'm guessing it would be "Filter::Baby-Safe", no? |
| 21:36.06 | findlay | aha, that's why I'm not finding it |
| 21:36.18 | findlay | excellent |
| 21:36.18 | RyanE | are you looking for a perl solution to the problem then? |
| 21:36.49 | findlay | RyanE: only because that's the language of current use and therefore grief |
| 21:37.11 | findlay | a system() call would be an clunky solution |
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| 21:43.42 | goozbach | sjansen: that reminds me of a bash.org quote wherein there was a christian channel |
| 21:43.47 | goozbach | and two bots |
| 21:43.53 | goozbach | one was a monitor bot |
| 21:43.59 | goozbach | and the other was a scripture bot |
| 21:44.03 | findlay | goozbach: that's a classic |
| 21:44.08 | lars-ut | Am I wrong in telling our newly hired internet marketing/web design guy that users should never have to scroll down on a web page on our site? |
| 21:44.11 | findlay | (: |
| 21:44.28 | goozbach | somebody made the scripture bot read one of the scriptures that says "ass" |
| 21:44.37 | goozbach | the monitor bot then kicked the other |
| 21:45.20 | sjansen | lars-ut: yes |
| 21:45.34 | lars-ut | sjansen: ok |
| 21:47.11 | lars-ut | sjansen, what do you think of the design elements? http://www.addanad.com/nmm/ |
| 21:47.13 | findlay | lars-ut: only if they have to always scroll for the last few lines |
| 21:47.35 | lars-ut | findlay, that's one of the things I don't like |
| 21:47.41 | findlay | ugh |
| 21:48.03 | findlay | pages that passively force browser enlargement |
| 21:48.19 | hell-ro | lars-ut: I agree with sjansen, its not a "bad" thing to scroll... |
| 21:48.29 | sjansen | lars-ut: Need more caffeinated squirrels. People love caffeine and squirrels are cute. |
| 21:48.33 | hell-ro | but I would say that scrolling could be minimized to make it easier |
| 21:49.05 | hell-ro | but how do you know if a user can scroll or not, it would really depend on resolution, right? |
| 21:49.08 | lars-ut | sjansen: Did I catch you on a non-medicated day? |
| 21:49.16 | lars-ut | Go drink some caffiene |
| 21:49.22 | lars-ut | caffeine |
| 21:49.27 | sjansen | Flash Animation? |
| 21:49.38 | lars-ut | that's better. |
| 21:49.39 | goozbach | ooh caffinated squirrles? |
| 21:49.48 | lars-ut | with sticks. |
| 21:50.05 | goozbach | I got a bunch of squirrels in the back yard |
| 21:50.05 | sjansen | Text as an image is evil. |
| 21:50.07 | lars-ut | and weasels. lots of weasels. |
| 21:50.29 | findlay | text as PDF is evil |
| 21:50.34 | goozbach | I wonder if they'll drink it |
| 21:50.46 | lars-ut | "The badger's your friend! Make friends with the badger!" |
| 21:50.53 | goozbach | I went squirrel fishing the other day off my back deck |
| 21:51.04 | goozbach | picked one up off the ground |
| 21:51.26 | sjansen | I don't understand why the top links are repeated on the bottom with the introduction of the site map. Too subtle. |
| 21:51.44 | lars-ut | I had a similar criticism |
| 21:51.47 | sjansen | On the bottom, I'm usually only expecting a couple of things like "site map" and "contact us". |
| 21:52.01 | lars-ut | I like that idea much better |
| 21:53.00 | sjansen | I'm not wild about any of the colors. The blue doesn't seem quite professional. The rest don't inspire trust. |
| 21:53.28 | lars-ut | which is exactly what it needs to do |
| 21:53.36 | lars-ut | I think the bg needs to be white |
| 21:53.47 | lars-ut | lighter all around |
| 21:54.00 | sjansen | Lighter is trendy. Feels more modern. |
| 21:54.13 | sjansen | Overall, the layout feels cramped. |
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| 21:54.52 | sjansen | Nobody reads everything. They scan. More big text labels with more whitespace between sections. |
| 21:55.25 | sjansen | That telephone number font is nice, but perhaps a bit funky. |
| 21:55.25 | lars-ut | thanks a lot sjansen - any other opinions? |
| 21:55.47 | lars-ut | sjansen: or a bit psychotic |
| 21:56.00 | lars-ut | reminds me of a ransom note font |
| 21:56.28 | lars-ut | much, nuch |
| 21:56.41 | lars-ut | I like it with the email addy though |
| 21:56.46 | lars-ut | less spam |
| 21:57.11 | lars-ut | well, maybe not |
| 21:57.19 | lars-ut | dpends if he links it or not |
| 21:57.23 | lars-ut | o/~ The waitress said "No! We only have it iced!" So we jumped up on the table & shouted "Anarchy!" o/~ |
| 21:57.26 | sjansen | I'd also like a larger font. Too big is unprofessional. Too small is hard to read, especially on high-end screens. |
| 21:57.54 | Jayce^ | or if you're just old like sjansen , and going blind |
| 21:58.29 | lars-ut | Jayce^: design suggestions? http://www.addanad.com/nmm/ |
| 21:59.38 | Jayce^ | the alignment of the fine print, and it's font bugs me.. I know it's inline with the top, but seems cramped |
| 21:59.45 | lars-ut | The company logo incorporates a Times New Roman font, but I find serif fonts harder to read(like on the nav menus) |
| 22:00.09 | mrpull- | lars-ut: feels cramped |
| 22:00.27 | Jayce^ | the phone number seems out of place (font, only item there, font size in relation to the bars) |
| 22:00.33 | findlay | mrpull-: that means you need a bigger monitor |
| 22:00.43 | lars-ut | lol |
| 22:00.53 | findlay | tell your boss you need a bigger monitor |
| 22:00.56 | mrpull- | findlay: my monitor is big enough |
| 22:01.22 | sjansen | Sit down with the designer and ask why he made each decision. A good designer will be surprised and happy to explain. (They get tired of being told "it needs to be more blue" instead of "out central message 'foo' needs to be emphasized".) |
| 22:02.09 | sjansen | A good designer should be trying to balance conflicting goals, not just pick pretty colors. |
| 22:02.09 | lars-ut | Yeah - he was annoyed when I talked with him a few minutes ago and pulled up anavidesign.com as a design example |
| 22:02.23 | lars-ut | Is the lowest common denominator 800x600 or 1024x768? |
| 22:02.31 | mheath | Oooh, I got an important summer job offer from "Vector, Inc" |
| 22:02.36 | sjansen | Depends on your market. |
| 22:02.44 | lars-ut | mheath: knives? |
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| 22:02.57 | mheath | I'm sure that their avoiding describing what kind of work it actually is can be ignored, and that it is a great job and entirely legitimate |
| 22:02.58 | lars-ut | mheath: think that's Cutco |
| 22:03.10 | mrpull- | isn't there some rule of design that you should include some obvious flaws |
| 22:03.18 | mrpull- | and then let the customer point them out |
| 22:03.21 | mrpull- | and you both win? |
| 22:03.33 | sjansen | heh |
| 22:04.58 | sjansen | Have I mentioned yet that text as an image is evil? |
| 22:05.23 | lars-ut | lol |
| 22:05.33 | RyanE_ | yeah, text as image IS evil. Can't resize with Ctrl-+ for us old farts. |
| 22:05.38 | lars-ut | yes, I think you might have mentioned that sjansen |
| 22:06.32 | sjansen | Can't resize. Less accessible to screen readers. Much harder to edit, especially if you forget the original font and size. |
| 22:07.08 | RyanE_ | You're prechin' to the choir here, Sjansen. |
| 22:07.27 | harleypig | findlay: ? |
| 22:07.35 | RyanE_ | or preachin', that is |
| 22:08.04 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, you know what that site needs more of? Make the text an image... then it'll look the same everywhere.... |
| 22:08.17 | Jayce^ | ~poke sjansen |
| 22:08.19 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sjansen, pokes sjansen repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 22:08.54 | Kuyaedz | lars-ut: I think your paranoia about that infected table at the BBQ was right. I woke up with a terrible sore throat. |
| 22:09.02 | findlay | harleypig: there's no Filter::Bathwater |
| 22:09.05 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: I'm sorry man |
| 22:09.23 | harleypig | findlay: ... |
| 22:09.35 | harleypig | Filter::Bathwater::ProtectBaby |
| 22:09.55 | findlay | harleypig: I'm wondering if you can easily filter out characters from a string |
| 22:10.01 | harleypig | sure |
| 22:10.04 | harleypig | tr |
| 22:10.09 | findlay | yeah |
| 22:10.25 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: that would be Gabe's fault - splashing raw chicken salmonella all over the frackin' table |
| 22:10.35 | lars-ut | of course I helped |
| 22:11.00 | lars-ut | the chicken kabobs were tasty though |
| 22:11.43 | lars-ut | next time we'll need a venue with 3 times more seating |
| 22:12.11 | Kuyaedz | I'm sure I'll be fine. Took quite a bit of vitamin C.. I guess that's what I get for winnin' the game ;) |
| 22:12.35 | lars-ut | punk |
| 22:12.43 | Kuyaedz | rematch tonite? |
| 22:12.53 | lars-ut | I won't be there tonight |
| 22:13.09 | Kuyaedz | I'm still considering it.. |
| 22:13.14 | lars-ut | hell-ro: can you send out the invite? |
| 22:13.27 | lars-ut | I forgot about it |
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| 22:35.52 | lars-ut | this is good stuff: http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/biggest-web-design-mistakes-in-2004.html |
| 22:43.01 | findlay | lars-ut: check out www.jwpepper.com |
| 22:43.27 | findlay | that's my favorite ugliest, most disparate, hacked together site |
| 22:43.29 | harleypig | GAHHHH !!! why do I keep going #perl!?!? |
| 22:43.35 | findlay | ha |
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| 22:47.24 | hell-ro | lars-ut: already did, check your mail |
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| 22:59.48 | lars-ut | hell-ro: i DID - WEIRD. |
| 22:59.52 | lars-ut | arggh |
| 23:00.14 | lars-ut | maybe I need to cut back on the Dr Pepper |
| 23:00.31 | lars-ut | histing one's self really hurts |
| 23:01.24 | elg | ~hist lars-ut |
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| 23:02.08 | hell-ro | lars-ut: tonight is your un-game night right? |
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| 23:04.46 | findlay | lars-ut: it doesn't say anything about sites that assault you with meaningless cookies |
| 23:10.14 | lars-ut | hell-ro: correct. |
| 23:11.12 | lars-ut | findlay: no, cookies are not mentioned directly - I think that would fall under #3. Mystical belief in the power of Web Standards, Usability, and tableless CSS |
| 23:11.44 | lars-ut | people who care about cookies know how to disable them when desired |
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| 23:20.32 | lars-ut | hell-ro: nothing posted to announce accord to http://mail.herlo.org/pipermail/boardgames_herlo.org/2006-June/date.html |
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| 23:50.01 | xbmodder_newlapp | Does anyone else notice that gmail is down since morning? |
| 23:56.55 | elg | nope |
| 23:58.59 | macnewbold | works for me |
