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| 00:12.25 | fozzmoo | Goozbach, your name will be appearing in the new CD packaging. |
| 00:12.42 | fozzmoo | I just found out we're probably doing a week-long run in CO in August- including Denver. |
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| 00:25.30 | findlay | that was weird |
| 00:25.33 | findlay | hit and run |
| 00:25.50 | findlay | goozbach: you did a CD |
| 00:25.59 | findlay | G.O.Z Bach |
| 00:26.19 | findlay | 24 preludes and fugues for guitar quartet |
| 00:42.48 | flyboy^ | Sweet. I got synergy set up. Very handy. |
| 00:43.17 | flyboy^ | I wish you could use IPs instead of hostnames however, since DNS wasn't setup and I had to setup hosts files. |
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| 00:45.54 | flyboy^ | It's kind strange seeing my mouse span three screens. |
| 00:48.55 | findlay | do you have to pick it up and recover a lot? |
| 00:50.34 | flyboy^ | It's not too bad, especially if I just use the two closes monitors. |
| 00:50.51 | flyboy^ | closest |
| 00:51.01 | flyboy^ | How do you have X start a program on login? |
| 00:51.12 | flyboy^ | ~/.xsession or something? |
| 00:52.17 | flyboy^ | (The biggest reason I am doing this is 1-For the occasional repositioning of windows, 2-copy/paste between the winbloz box and Linux.) |
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| 01:17.40 | mheath[laptop] | I bought some fresh, alaskan, river-caught, wild salmon today. I know we have some cooks - anyone have any sugestions on how to cook it? |
| 01:18.18 | Kuyaedz | I have some suggestions on me gettin' a piece :) |
| 01:21.04 | Jayce^ | meeting with Pete ashdown is about to start |
| 01:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh? |
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| 01:30.58 | Jayce | hey, if anybody has tried to get into plug, and the door was locked, call me |
| 01:31.10 | Jayce | 836.4235 (dunno who locked it) |
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| 01:45.02 | harleypig | hatch's minions locked it |
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| 02:35.05 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 02:35.31 | vontrapp | -tell elg to jump in a lake |
| 02:36.45 | vontrapp | need.... more..... memory..! |
| 02:39.56 | nick125 | 40x24 isn't..too bad |
| 03:09.53 | goozbach | no freaking way!!! |
| 03:09.54 | goozbach | cool |
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| 03:26.54 | Kuyaedz | can anyone tell me how to allow access from other than localhost to cups web interface? (IP:631) |
| 03:38.40 | nick125 | its a config entry.. |
| 03:39.21 | Kuyaedz | I can't find the right thing.. I've added my IP to every section & pretty much set it wide open |
| 03:39.31 | Kuyaedz | I can see the web interface but can't use the Admin |
| 03:39.52 | nick125 | odd |
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| 03:41.26 | Kuyaedz | if anyone has a cupsd.conf setup that allows it I'd love to see it |
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| 03:55.33 | QBFreak | anyone know how to tell irssi that certain variations of my nick should be highlighted? |
| 03:56.09 | findlay | QBFreak: good luck figuring that out |
| 03:56.28 | findlay | irssi is awesome once you figure out how to do things |
| 03:56.51 | QBFreak | heh |
| 03:59.11 | flyboy^ | Dang, I missed PLUG! |
| 03:59.16 | flyboy^ | *grrr* |
| 04:00.31 | flyboy^ | I guess I should play games instead. |
| 04:00.35 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:00.44 | QBFreak | ~lart nick125 |
| 04:00.52 | Kuyaedz | ok now cups is telling me to redirect to https & I don't think I have the proper ssl installed. Any suggestions? |
| 04:01.05 | QBFreak | duct tape? |
| 04:04.43 | Kuyaedz | I'm ready to throw this out the window |
| 04:06.04 | nick125 | what happens when it redirects to ssl? |
| 04:06.37 | Kuyaedz | times out |
| 04:06.43 | nick125 | anything in logs? |
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| 04:40.31 | mheath | haha |
| 04:40.55 | mheath | Arthur Sullivan said, on October 5, 1888, when he was introduced to Edison's phonograph (he was recorded saying this): |
| 04:41.39 | mheath | "For myself, I can only say that I am astonished and somewhat terrified at the results of this evening's experiment -- astonished at the wonderful power you have developed, and terrified at the thought that so much hideous and bad music may be put on record forever." |
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| 05:11.58 | mheath | Wow, my grandma lived to be 103. |
| 05:17.21 | Kuyaedz | I finally got it.. son of a... |
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| 05:33.46 | levi | Everyone still at plug? |
| 05:51.30 | QBFreak | I'm not :) |
| 05:52.21 | nick125_lappy | DFW <-> ATL is getting 500ms+ |
| 05:53.26 | nick125_lappy | wtf |
| 05:53.55 | nick125_lappy | speakeasy is fallign apart |
| 05:54.08 | nick125_lappy | to the server in california: 3: 110.ge-0-0-0.cr1.dfw1.speakeasy.net (69.17.82.225) asymm 4 95.812ms 4: fe-0-3-1.cr1.wdc1.speakeasy.net (69.17.83.34) asymm 5 354.053ms 5: ge-5-2-0.mpr2.iad10.us.above.net (209.249.11.217) asymm 6 346.181ms |
| 05:54.17 | nick125_lappy | wtf is it going to wdc for? |
| 05:54.24 | nick125_lappy | 300ms to it |
| 05:55.25 | QBFreak | is firefox generally slow for anyone else? |
| 05:55.55 | QBFreak | quite often when I open a new tab I get several letters of the URL typed before it opens |
| 05:56.02 | QBFreak | and gmail is painful to use |
| 05:56.10 | mheath | QBFreak, not really. I've had a lot of problems with Windows builds of firefox getting lots of nasty memory leaks |
| 05:56.18 | mheath | slows the system way down until reboot |
| 05:56.21 | QBFreak | I'm running Fedora Core 5 |
| 05:58.17 | nick125 | wtf |
| 05:58.22 | nick125 | they are gonna rebuild the circuit |
| 05:58.30 | nick125 | because I told them about their network falling apart |
| 05:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | It probably needed doing then |
| 05:59.07 | mheath | Has anyone here worked as a software engineer / programmer before? |
| 05:59.32 | QBFreak | barely, well, no not really :) |
| 05:59.57 | mheath | time for sleep :( |
| 06:00.05 | QBFreak | laters mheath |
| 06:00.09 | mheath | later |
| 06:00.40 | nick125 | ScytheBlade1: *cough* |
| 06:01.29 | nick125 | the issue is coming between DFW <-> ATL, not a problem with my line.. |
| 06:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | good times :) |
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| 07:02.20 | xbmodder_newlapp | QBFreak, yeah, its normal. |
| 07:03.08 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, ask them to reroute you through LAX |
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| 07:09.04 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, ask them to reroute you through LAX |
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| 07:09.18 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: they won't |
| 07:09.32 | nick125_lappy | LBDSL or local ISP... |
| 07:09.48 | nick125_lappy | if I go with SWCP, I know where their building is ;) |
| 07:11.09 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 07:11.25 | nick125_lappy | their facilities are nice |
| 07:11.27 | nick125_lappy | big servers |
| 07:11.48 | nick125_lappy | like, 4 NAS boxes |
| 07:11.59 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: get on bzflafg |
| 07:13.37 | nick125_lappy | NOW! |
| 07:28.13 | nick125_lappy | grrr |
| 07:28.20 | nick125_lappy | my line went down again |
| 07:32.41 | xbmodder_newlapp | nick125_lappy, play bzflag over your phone |
| 07:33.12 | nick125_lappy | LOL |
| 07:33.16 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: get on bzflag |
| 07:33.30 | nick125_lappy | while I can..heh |
| 07:33.41 | nick125_lappy | I think my line has goen down 7 times tooday |
| 07:35.48 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 07:35.53 | xbmodder_newlapp | I can't with my graphics card |
| 07:50.58 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_newlapp: well, get on somehow |
| 07:51.06 | xbmodder_newlapp | lol |
| 07:51.11 | QBFreak | carrier pigeon |
| 08:01.19 | nick125_lappy | that was fun |
| 08:01.25 | nick125_lappy | i got a *large* map |
| 08:02.17 | nick125_lappy | 2 on 1 isn't fun |
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| 12:54.48 | goozbach | QBFreak: look at /hilight |
| 12:54.57 | goozbach | here's my hilight rules |
| 12:55.26 | goozbach | 06:54 Highlights: |
| 12:55.26 | goozbach | 06:54 1 \<goozbach\> -regexp -color %G -actcolor %R |
| 12:55.27 | goozbach | 06:54 2 \<gooz\> -regexp -color %G -actcolor %R |
| 12:55.27 | goozbach | 06:54 3 \<[dD]erek\> -regexp -color %M -actcolor %R |
| 12:55.27 | goozbach | 06:54 4 \<goo\> -regexp -color %G -actcolor %R |
| 12:55.29 | goozbach | 06:54 5 \<friocorte\> -regexp -color %M -actcolor %R |
| 12:56.02 | goozbach | speaking of which, goozbachs doesn't match. |
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| 14:41.47 | xbmodder_newlapp | Can I run multiple instances of MAC OS X through parallels? |
| 14:42.02 | xbmodder_newlapp | like have 10.1 and 10.2 running at the same time? |
| 14:42.12 | xbmodder_newlapp | or have my real machine for video editing |
| 14:42.21 | xbmodder_newlapp | and have the other for non-real time applications |
| 14:42.31 | xbmodder_newlapp | that are incompatible |
| 14:49.52 | ^Migs^ | that's like asking "can I stick my head in the toilet and have someone run over me with a stationwagon at the same time?" |
| 14:52.27 | goozbach | ^Migs^: I fail to see the correlation |
| 15:02.03 | tensai | how's this for a message id? {DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT}{DIGIT} |
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| 15:03.17 | ^Migs^ | that's like saying "I fail to see why the sun comes up during the day and not at night when it would be more useful for seeing in the dark" |
| 15:06.34 | goozbach | no, I see the problem with xbmodder_newlapp's question. |
| 15:06.48 | goozbach | I just think your analogy is flawed |
| 15:07.04 | goozbach | I don't take issue of your taking issue |
| 15:07.29 | goozbach | how is running OSX like sticking your head in the toilet? |
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| 15:14.14 | goozbach | and Mac OSX is awesome at video editing |
| 15:14.50 | goozbach | maybe it's some sort of "too much of a good thing", or "wrong tool for the wrong purpose" |
| 15:15.11 | goozbach | but it's not "pain on top of humiliation" |
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| 15:48.10 | ^Migs^ | http://winnipegsun.ca/News/Canada/2006/06/15/1633946-sun.html |
| 15:54.08 | levi | Morning, #utahns. |
| 15:54.16 | levi | How was PLUG yesterday? |
| 15:54.19 | mrpull- | levi: gooood mornin! |
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| 16:11.39 | elg | -lart goozbach |
| 16:12.23 | Uncle_Jesse | is Pete Ashdown coming to any more meetings in the near future? |
| 16:12.36 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd like to ask him if he plans on applying an agile methodology to legislation |
| 16:12.52 | spr | I think PLUG was the last user group he hadn't visited |
| 16:16.46 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe I'll write him then |
| 16:16.55 | Uncle_Jesse | The English govt uses agile so I hear |
| 16:17.36 | Uncle_Jesse | he ought to at least approach the subject. the concept was agreed upon in Utah |
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| 16:30.17 | mheath | Why is the computer market so stagnant? |
| 16:30.28 | mheath | It doesn't seem like theres really been any revolutionary changes in decades |
| 16:30.50 | mheath | Add some RAM here, add a featuer there.....increase the clock speed a bit. Some minor revisions. |
| 16:31.12 | mheath | Just doesn't seem like theres been any really big changes in decades..... |
| 16:31.45 | levi | Hah, this is most excellent: http://alex.halavais.net/?p=1427 |
| 16:31.59 | levi | mheath: Because cranking the clock speed WORKED so well. |
| 16:32.27 | mheath | I was reading a lot about Edison last night...... |
| 16:32.31 | mheath | Just curious about some of his inventions |
| 16:32.34 | spr | also backwards compatability is more important. Look at itanium. |
| 16:32.48 | mheath | And for like 20 years, he was constantly inventing stuff that revolutionized the way people lived, operated, thought. |
| 16:33.17 | mheath | Just seems like we're incredibly stagnant compared to that. |
| 16:33.21 | levi | Yeah, that too. Though, if we have truly hit a clock speed wall, it may be necessary to finally divest ourselves of the backwards compatibility burden. |
| 16:33.59 | mheath | spr, no. Look at Apple. Their current models are NOT hardware back compatibe with their older models, by any means. |
| 16:34.26 | levi | mheath: They have had a software backward-compatible layer, though. |
| 16:34.33 | levi | mheath: At least during transition phases. |
| 16:34.43 | spr | which works well, I play OS 9 games in OS 10 just fine. |
| 16:34.43 | levi | You can't discount the importance of backward compatibility. |
| 16:34.49 | mheath | Intel is the only one stupid enough to place a considerable focus on designing processors capable of running 20 year old software. |
| 16:35.05 | mheath | spr, you used Itanium as an example, which is an example of HARDWARE incompatability. Sure, you can use layers. |
| 16:35.13 | mheath | But I'm not just talking about architecture changes |
| 16:35.21 | mheath | Heck, Intel can redesign their whole architecture |
| 16:35.26 | mheath | Desktop computers would still be the same |
| 16:35.31 | mheath | and people would still use them in the same wasy |
| 16:35.32 | mheath | *way |
| 16:35.48 | mheath | Yeah, it might be a touch faster, yeah, it might have some new security features brought to you by the processor.....but they're the SAME> |
| 16:35.55 | mheath | I dunno... |
| 16:36.03 | levi | mheath: You're ignoring the fact that a Wintel hw change would require Microsoft to create a compatibility layer, and they have not. |
| 16:36.21 | mheath | See you all in about ~13 hours |
| 16:36.27 | spr | also, if you're looking at how people interact with computers, then things have changed in the last decade. |
| 16:36.33 | levi | Besides, there's been no compelling reason to switch to a new architecture, and many reasons to stay with x86. |
| 16:36.58 | levi | The rise of the internet happened in the last decade. |
| 16:37.06 | levi | That's certainly been a revolutionizing change. |
| 16:37.19 | mheath | spr, the keyboard and GUI were demonstrated as a revolutionary new technology, 40 years ago. |
| 16:37.28 | mheath | s/keyboard/mouse/g |
| 16:37.38 | mheath | Since then, its just been minor revision and refinement, |
| 16:37.55 | levi | mheath: When was the last revolution in how we interface with automobiles? |
| 16:38.11 | mheath | People still sit at a desk, staring at a terminal, using a keyboard and mouse. |
| 16:38.15 | levi | Technologies change less frequently as they mature. |
| 16:38.18 | mheath | Anyway, I Have to leave or I'll be late. |
| 16:38.31 | levi | No one's chaining you to your computer. :) |
| 16:38.32 | elg | mheath: when was the last revolutionary change in how people read? |
| 16:38.43 | elg | people still sit there day after day reading the same roman letters |
| 16:38.48 | elg | nonprogressive morons |
| 16:38.52 | levi | elg: No kidding. |
| 16:39.16 | levi | elg: Man, our society is so stagnant! Why aren't we all speaking esperanto and using the metric system now?! |
| 16:39.35 | elg | speak for yourself. I use the metric system whenever I can. |
| 16:39.40 | elg | i only dream in esperanto though |
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| 16:39.45 | elg | ;-) |
| 16:39.56 | elg | -weather kpvu |
| 16:39.57 | brac | 25 minutes ago, on Thu Jun 15 16:15:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.09 meters per second (6.90 miles per hour) from the West/Northwest at KPVU. The temperature was 17 degrees Celsius (63 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1014 hPa (29.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 45.1%. There were a few clouds at a height of 2743 meters (9000 feet). |
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| 17:20.38 | findlay | http://shelleytherepublican.com/category/technical/linux/ |
| 17:20.52 | findlay | read that to have a good laugh |
| 17:20.54 | findlay | or two |
| 17:20.57 | findlay | or n |
| 17:21.33 | findlay | in fact, read it every day after you get up in the moring tostart your day off right with hilarity |
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| 17:29.45 | tensai | moo |
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| 17:40.56 | findlay | network problems to byu? |
| 17:41.06 | goozbach | looks it |
| 17:41.12 | goozbach | sorry I didn't catch it |
| 17:41.20 | goozbach | (I wasn't paying attention) |
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| 17:42.58 | findlay | I hate saying emails |
| 17:43.03 | findlay | that word just bugs me |
| 17:43.15 | findlay | but eletters sounds weirder |
| 17:44.41 | hell-ro | findlay: use items in my mailbox, maybe that's clear and concise |
| 17:44.50 | mrpull- | i say email messages |
| 17:45.00 | hell-ro | items in inbox |
| 17:45.02 | hell-ro | hmm |
| 17:45.20 | mrpull- | who says they got 3 telephones when they mean 3 telephone calls? |
| 17:45.26 | findlay | what do the RFCs call them? |
| 17:47.13 | goozbach | electronic mail messages |
| 17:47.45 | findlay | that's it then. I'll call them EMMs |
| 17:48.12 | hell-ro | findlay, and noone will understand who didn't participate in this little conv, good luck |
| 17:49.00 | findlay | more importantly how would an electronic massage feel like if it were delivered by mail? |
| 17:49.08 | tensai | I'm seeing them referred to as messages, mail messages, and mail |
| 17:51.16 | findlay | hell-ro: I'll just announce on /. that from now on I'm referring to them as EMMs and if anyone is to understand me, they'll have to remember it too |
| 17:51.21 | mrpull- | any Inkscape users in the room? |
| 17:52.00 | findlay | I might as well broadcast it to a few thousand usenet groups as well |
| 17:58.17 | goozbach | mrpull-: yes |
| 17:58.40 | mrpull- | goozbach: are you familiar with Illustrator? If so... how proficient are you in both? |
| 17:59.17 | goozbach | ohh, I think I've opened illistrator once, maybe twice |
| 17:59.34 | goozbach | I use inkscape for all the diagrams I create. |
| 17:59.54 | tensai | once upon a time I was an illustrator user |
| 18:00.09 | findlay | I've admired the splash screen a few times, how it lovingly shows each and every dll being loaded while you can ponder on the significance of the naming conventions |
| 18:00.16 | goozbach | like this one: http://blog.friocorte.com/uploaded_images/perms-web-716442.png |
| 18:00.52 | hell-ro | findlay: /. wont have you |
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| 18:01.39 | hell-ro | findlay: but digg probably would.... |
| 18:01.45 | findlay | (: |
| 18:01.46 | hell-ro | and delicious |
| 18:01.55 | hell-ro | and your personal blog too |
| 18:01.57 | fozzmoo | findlay: I don't generally get that reaction when I enter a room. |
| 18:02.02 | fozzmoo | But, okay. |
| 18:02.22 | findlay | fozzmoo: your entering must have been orchestrated by the Fates |
| 18:02.45 | fozzmoo | I think that should be spelled "Fatties" |
| 18:02.47 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 18:03.09 | hell-ro | fozzmoo: agreed, we are all Fatties here |
| 18:03.16 | hell-ro | er, um |
| 18:03.20 | hell-ro | Fates! |
| 18:04.59 | findlay | Wow. Vista is the most secure OS *evar* |
| 18:05.41 | goozbach | tie your hands with a leg through them secure |
| 18:05.55 | goozbach | fozzmoo: welcome |
| 18:06.05 | findlay | I'm ashamed to admit at first that I had my doubts that they would make it on the Secure OS Meter, but now I think everyone can appreciate how the underdog came out on top |
| 18:06.19 | goozbach | ~dog fozzmoo |
| 18:06.22 | ibot | ACTION stares at fozzmoo until fozzmoo whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 18:07.33 | Jayce^ | long time no see fozzmoo |
| 18:08.02 | fozzmoo | Yeah. I know. |
| 18:08.11 | fozzmoo | I'm really not in a position to be chatting right now either. |
| 18:08.21 | goozbach | Jayce^: you might want to put a link to your 'ten things |
| 18:08.22 | goozbach | ' |
| 18:08.25 | goozbach | in that post |
| 18:08.37 | goozbach | my comment trying to add it didn't work |
| 18:08.42 | Jayce^ | hrm.. |
| 18:09.03 | mrpull- | goozbach: have you seen Dia? |
| 18:09.04 | Jayce^ | goozbach, probably hit one of the spam blocks |
| 18:09.10 | goozbach | heh |
| 18:09.10 | Jayce^ | likely tried doing an href |
| 18:09.14 | goozbach | yup |
| 18:09.26 | Jayce^ | I use textile anyways, so your href wouldn't have worked |
| 18:09.29 | mrpull- | the flowchart stuff seems like dia is a better fit |
| 18:09.45 | goozbach | mrpull-: I used to do everthing in dia |
| 18:09.57 | goozbach | then I needed to do something that it couldn't do |
| 18:10.03 | goozbach | I don't remember what |
| 18:10.16 | Jayce^ | goozbach, there |
| 18:10.17 | goozbach | that's what led me to inkscape |
| 18:10.33 | mrpull- | Visio is tough to beat for some things |
| 18:10.45 | goozbach | which I'm aware isn't the best tool for flowcharts. But it works(just enough) |
| 18:11.39 | fozzmoo | OOo Draw isn't bad either. |
| 18:12.01 | goozbach | a Visio clone would be cool |
| 18:12.12 | fozzmoo | goozbach: That's what dia tries to be. |
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| 18:13.07 | goozbach | maybe I'm not that hip on the Visio front then |
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| 18:27.27 | goozbach | jnbek: in or out |
| 18:27.59 | jnbek | i'm in, i goofed a setting on my xfce-panel and it kept crashing, it's fixed |
| 18:28.25 | jnbek | sorry |
| 18:29.24 | findlay | ~welcome jnbek |
| 18:29.30 | ibot | Hey, jnbek! Glad you could join us. |
| 18:29.50 | jnbek | ty :) |
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| 18:46.51 | mrpull- | anyone else see the joga.com firefox companion? |
| 18:47.12 | mrpull- | kinda a cool way to spread firefox to soccer hooligans |
| 19:02.35 | scottj | findlay: the history of linux blog article was amusing |
| 19:04.58 | findlay | scottj: (: |
| 19:07.25 | elg | -lart c++ |
| 19:10.34 | levi | elg: Having much luck with your c++ hacking? |
| 19:10.50 | elg | much obstacles that wouldn't be there on a cooler language |
| 19:10.57 | elg | mostly having to do with static types |
| 19:11.42 | levi | Haskell hackers say static types help clarify your thinking. You must have muddled thoughts! |
| 19:12.21 | findlay | haha |
| 19:12.37 | findlay | C++ reduces blood pressure |
| 19:12.40 | elg | oh that's definitely it :-P |
| 19:13.07 | findlay | and ruby helps your liver |
| 19:13.43 | elg | i'm in just the masochistic mood to read some article trying to extol the virtues of static typing at the moment |
| 19:14.00 | levi | I don't have any links handy, sorry. |
| 19:14.21 | elg | if I could convince myself, even only temporarily, that static typing is Good then I might be less frustrated :) |
| 19:14.21 | levi | I'm sure you could find plenty of static type advocacy reading through Lambda the Ultimate archives, though. |
| 19:16.10 | levi | I have been provisionally convinced that static typing is Good, provided I am given a sufficiently expressive language. I will have to become proficient in ML or Haskell or something first before I can unconditionally believe it. |
| 19:25.36 | findlay | ~convince levi |
| 19:26.46 | elg | maybe it's the message-passing concurrency core I have, but duck typing fits my way of thinking very well |
| 19:27.31 | elg | and I get annoyed when things have to arbitrarily inherit from some silly base class just so you can call some method on them, and having to explicitly say what kind of thing to accept |
| 19:27.57 | findlay | ~java elg |
| 19:41.33 | findlay | what's the equivalent of 127.0.0.1 in ipv6? |
| 19:42.34 | levi | elg: You definitely have the Smalltalk conception of OOP. |
| 19:42.57 | elg | i won't argue with that |
| 19:43.25 | findlay | it's ::1 |
| 19:43.34 | findlay | there's no place like ::1 |
| 19:46.06 | levi | Hmm, bloglines appears to be broken. |
| 19:48.57 | mrpull- | levi: agreed. bloglines is not working for me either. |
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| 19:49.50 | findlay | is that like bologna? |
| 19:50.14 | atoponce | findlay: only if it has a first name... :) |
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| 19:55.11 | jnbek | anyone in here working with rails, yet? |
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| 20:00.01 | elg | yet? |
| 20:00.22 | goozbach | jnbek: welcome to six months ago |
| 20:01.35 | jnbek | well, ok, lol, i don't get out much, i guess |
| 20:02.06 | harleypig | anyone familiar enough with WWW::Mechanize can give me some pointers? |
| 20:04.47 | elg | i hear mice make good pointers |
| 20:06.46 | mrpull- | levi: let us know what you think. |
| 20:10.11 | mrpull- | that alex guy was obnoxious on TV, but kinda funny when he is drunk on diggnation |
| 20:12.18 | levi | Interesting. |
| 20:12.27 | levi | They totally screwed up Chicken Cordon Bleu. |
| 20:13.21 | levi | I wonder how badly they screw up Baked Alaska. |
| 20:13.48 | mrpull- | is it a "fun" screwed up? |
| 20:14.03 | harleypig | elg: :P |
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| 20:23.20 | Kuyaedz | can someone remind me the CLI method of optimizing mySQL Db? |
| 20:24.34 | macnewbold | probably mysqladmin with some option, or maybe mysqlcheck |
| 20:41.03 | maquis | -lart findlay |
| 20:41.14 | maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 20:41.20 | maquis | brac: ??????? |
| 20:41.38 | macnewbold | brac: say hello |
| 20:42.30 | goozbach | brac: zup? |
| 20:42.43 | findlay | ~lart brac |
| 20:43.20 | levi | Heh, they added the sugar to their egg whites too early, and they never stiffened. |
| 20:44.37 | maquis | ~brac |
| 20:44.39 | ibot | somebody said brac was the enemy |
| 20:44.41 | maquis | -ibot |
| 20:44.44 | mrpull- | Uncle_Jesse: have you seen beta.netscape.com? |
| 20:45.11 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull-: nope |
| 20:45.36 | mrpull- | take a looksy and guess where it took its inspiration :) |
| 20:45.52 | Uncle_Jesse | I heard about its digg influence |
| 20:46.30 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm surprised others haven't taken that approach |
| 20:46.56 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm also surprised no one's written a slashdot-like digg oss project |
| 20:47.25 | Uncle_Jesse | aol has never thought of any of their own ideas imo |
| 20:48.10 | levi | What do you mean by a 'slashdot-like digg oss project'? |
| 20:49.45 | findlay | I propose: ... |
| 20:49.55 | findlay | dog_slush.sourceforge.net |
| 20:50.09 | Uncle_Jesse | oss code provided similar to /., but with digg voting |
| 20:50.21 | findlay | don't think too hard about what it might mean |
| 20:50.39 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: server error |
| 20:50.51 | Uncle_Jesse | no, 404 |
| 20:51.18 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: A bunch of people made simple Reddit-clones after Reddit switched to Python. |
| 20:51.46 | JoeyDay|wgu | Can an ISO be installed on a DVD instead of a CD? |
| 20:52.17 | levi | Voting is pretty useless unless you have a big voting community, and anyone who can gather a sufficient community can probably build a voting system. |
| 20:52.58 | levi | JoeyDay|wgu: I believe so. |
| 20:53.22 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: I can see many uses for it - openclue, for example |
| 20:53.31 | Uncle_Jesse | doesn't need a huge company behind it |
| 20:54.02 | levi | Not company, community. |
| 20:54.32 | levi | I don't know if openclue is big enough for voting on articles to make much sense. |
| 20:54.38 | emcnabb | http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060615/microsoft_gates.html?.v=3 |
| 20:55.37 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: By openclue, do you mean the utah open source planet, or some other service on that server? |
| 20:56.24 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: yes |
| 20:56.43 | Uncle_Jesse | ut os planet |
| 20:58.21 | findlay | I'm way tired |
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| 20:59.35 | mrpull- | why does windows even attempt to estimate the amount of time remaining in a file operation? it is never right! |
| 20:59.48 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: You want to vote some posts off the planet? :) |
| 20:59.49 | mrpull- | 5 seconds remaining (for the last 5 minutes) |
| 20:59.51 | Kuyaedz | mrpull: tell me about it. I'm re-installing SP2 right now! |
| 21:00.07 | goozbach | feed reader and vgrep |
| 21:00.11 | goozbach | problem solved |
| 21:00.14 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: I think there are a lot of posts - might be cool to personalize it through voting |
| 21:00.23 | goozbach | "I don't like that painting" |
| 21:00.32 | goozbach | -- "don't look at it then" |
| 21:01.21 | maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 21:01.54 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: I don't think there are enough posts to make voting do much. Some sort of tag- and user-based filtering on a per-reader basis might be useful, though. |
| 21:02.59 | goozbach | levi: get a feed reader which tells you which user, and ignore said user |
| 21:03.59 | findlay | levi just doesn't like the crap I post. I just have to accept it |
| 21:04.26 | goozbach | people need to fine-tune their crap filters |
| 21:04.55 | goozbach | there's some posts to the UOSP that I can tell I don't want to read by the first sentance |
| 21:05.41 | harleypig | -urls |
| 21:05.51 | harleypig | ~urls |
| 21:05.56 | harleypig | wher'es' brac? |
| 21:06.04 | harleypig | ew ... how'd I do that? |
| 21:06.16 | findlay | lol |
| 21:06.35 | levi | goozbach: I don't really think it needs anything, I just think those would be more useful than voting. |
| 21:06.43 | findlay | lqtms |
| 21:06.51 | levi | ~lart maquis |
| 21:06.54 | findlay | s/s// |
| 21:07.07 | Uncle_Jesse | hey - question for the Perl folk: |
| 21:07.37 | Uncle_Jesse | if I have an anonymous subroutine (sub { }) can I call the parent subroutine without specifying a name (like in recursion)? |
| 21:08.05 | findlay | from now on I'm going to experiment by only saying the first letters of the words I'm thinking in acronym form to see if people can understand it |
| 21:08.22 | findlay | Uncle_Jesse: maybe you could put a label at the beginning of the parent sub? |
| 21:08.31 | findlay | that sounds ugly though |
| 21:08.37 | Uncle_Jesse | hmmm...yeah - that would be ugly |
| 21:08.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I've got a roundabout way of making what I want to work, I was just curious if that was directly possible |
| 21:09.43 | goozbach | I've used labels for that |
| 21:11.49 | Kuyaedz | does anyone use ddclient for dyndns updating? |
| 21:13.10 | Uncle_Jesse | not sure if labels will work for this case unfortunately |
| 21:13.30 | findlay | my ugly detector goes off because 'sub sub_name {' and the label would be duplicating functionality |
| 21:13.32 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm stuck to the constraints of this e-commerce system |
| 21:14.08 | macnewbold | lemme see if I've got this straight |
| 21:14.18 | macnewbold | you're defining an anonymous subroutine inside another subroutine |
| 21:14.27 | macnewbold | and you want to call the outer one from inside the nested one |
| 21:14.30 | macnewbold | but without using a name? |
| 21:16.34 | findlay | Uncle_Jesse: I'll trade you e-commerce systems |
| 21:16.35 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: nope - calling just an anonymous subroutine - no outer. I want to call the parent subroutine from within itself - no name to call though |
| 21:16.44 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: it's not a bad system - just has constraints |
| 21:17.08 | macnewbold | then what's the "parent" subroutine |
| 21:17.13 | findlay | itself? |
| 21:17.15 | macnewbold | aha |
| 21:17.16 | findlay | right? |
| 21:17.30 | macnewbold | okay, so you want to make a recursive anonymous subroutine |
| 21:17.32 | findlay | parent in a recursive sense Ii believe |
| 21:17.56 | Uncle_Jesse | yes, itself |
| 21:17.57 | macnewbold | any reason why it can't be named instead of anonymous? |
| 21:17.59 | findlay | s/i// |
| 21:18.05 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: exactly |
| 21:19.01 | macnewbold | if you can't give it a name for some reason unknown to me, then how about putting a named subroutine inside the anon one, and having it do the recursion, so the anon one is really just a wrapper? |
| 21:19.24 | macnewbold | (it's been a long time since I did stuff that deep with perl, so forgive me if that's not possible) |
| 21:19.37 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: I may do that too. I was just wondering if there was a $ variable that defined the name of the subroutine you were in |
| 21:19.42 | macnewbold | ah |
| 21:19.55 | Uncle_Jesse | sorry - my question didn't really state that :-) |
| 21:22.21 | findlay | you could try all the $ variables you can think of to see if any of them work (: |
| 21:22.36 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - sounds like fun |
| 21:22.52 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll just rtfm |
| 21:23.51 | macnewbold | aha |
| 21:23.55 | macnewbold | here's a way: |
| 21:24.06 | macnewbold | save a ref to your anon subroutine |
| 21:24.09 | macnewbold | and call it via the reference |
| 21:24.40 | neybar | I'm fairly sure you aren't going to have much luck trying to track down an anonymous sub routine though system variables. The whole point of making the sub anonymous is to not give it a specific label |
| 21:24.52 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: you may have something there - not sure if this e-commerce system will handle that or not though |
| 21:25.20 | macnewbold | which system is it? |
| 21:25.32 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: interchange |
| 21:25.36 | macnewbold | hm |
| 21:25.37 | Uncle_Jesse | icdevgroup.com |
| 21:25.40 | macnewbold | good luck, I guess :) |
| 21:25.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm writing a usertag for it, and there are limits as to how the system can read them |
| 21:26.02 | macnewbold | right |
| 21:26.17 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: I understand you wanna recursively call an anonymous subroutine |
| 21:26.17 | macnewbold | if it is just asking for an expression that evaluates to a subroutine, |
| 21:26.32 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm writing the dir_walk function in higher order of perl btw (into a usertag) |
| 21:26.38 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: yes |
| 21:26.53 | harleypig | I can tell you how to do it, but if I ever run across your code in my work, I'm gonna hunt you down and make you live for days. :> |
| 21:26.54 | macnewbold | then $subref = sub { do_stuff(); &$subref(); } |
| 21:26.57 | elg | wow, bill gates to step down in two years |
| 21:27.24 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: that's the thing I'm worried about though - not sure I can assign a variable to it |
| 21:27.26 | Jayce^ | harleypig++ |
| 21:27.36 | macnewbold | what say ye, harley? |
| 21:27.44 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: I can do it - I'm just curious if there's a clean way :-) |
| 21:27.50 | harleypig | my $as; $as = sub { blah ; blah ; &$as(parms) }; |
| 21:28.10 | harleypig | That's the cleanest you're going to get without digging into the symbol table. |
| 21:28.16 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: see my comment to macnewbold - not sure that will work with this system |
| 21:28.19 | Jayce^ | just save it to a var, and execute the coderef |
| 21:28.22 | levi | I wonder if you can do the Y combinator in perl. |
| 21:28.25 | findlay | can you dig into the symbol table? |
| 21:28.31 | harleypig | findlay: sure |
| 21:28.31 | levi | I don't know why you couldn't. |
| 21:28.39 | macnewbold | for an anon sub, |
| 21:28.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I'm just going to wrap 2 subroutines |
| 21:28.44 | macnewbold | you won't find it in the symbol table |
| 21:28.46 | Uncle_Jesse | it's a hack but works |
| 21:28.48 | macnewbold | cause it doesn't have a name |
| 21:29.06 | Jayce^ | "Uncle_Jesse> it's a hack but works" infamous last words.... |
| 21:29.13 | macnewbold | no doubt |
| 21:29.32 | harleypig | Uncle_Jesse: what system are you on? that's pretty standard in perl across systems |
| 21:31.07 | redbeard1 | Uncle_Jesse: have you looked at selfgol? that has an example you might be interested in |
| 21:31.55 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: interchange - I'm writing a usertag for it |
| 21:32.04 | Uncle_Jesse | the usertags have to be written in a certain format |
| 21:32.15 | Jayce^ | selfgol, Uncle_Jesse's code, same diff |
| 21:32.20 | Uncle_Jesse | redbeard1: never heard of selfgol |
| 21:32.23 | Jayce^ | just one was on purpose :-p |
| 21:32.31 | tensai | redbeard1: did you make the peppers yet? |
| 21:32.32 | harleypig | ? How would that determine whether or not you could (or should) recursively call an anon sub? |
| 21:32.52 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: "it's a hack but it works" is the entire story of this company's code :-) |
| 21:32.57 | Uncle_Jesse | not my choice unfortunately |
| 21:33.18 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: I can recursively call them - just not sure I can assign them to a variable to get the ref. |
| 21:33.47 | harleypig | ?huh? |
| 21:33.51 | levi | Here you go: http://www.cs.hofstra.edu/~cscccl/csc123/lambdaperl2.txt |
| 21:33.51 | neybar | so are you passing a coderef to another program that is then going to execute it? |
| 21:34.16 | levi | That's got a definition of the Y combinator in perl, and a factorial function written using it. |
| 21:34.26 | Jayce^ | levi++ |
| 21:34.39 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: long story |
| 21:34.50 | Uncle_Jesse | neybar: yup |
| 21:34.53 | Uncle_Jesse | essentially |
| 21:35.01 | neybar | see, now that sort of information is helpful here |
| 21:35.51 | levi | In case it wasn't clear, the Y combinator recursively calls its argument, which is a procedure. |
| 21:36.04 | levi | And it may be anonymous. |
| 21:36.21 | Uncle_Jesse | well, I'm not exactly sure what goes on to the code after the external code executes it - we have little documentation :-) |
| 21:36.27 | Uncle_Jesse | also not my choice |
| 21:36.40 | Jayce^ | but you have the code.... |
| 21:36.40 | neybar | Uncle_Jesse: there is no reason that either a coderef in your code, or an actual embedded named subroutine won't work |
| 21:37.06 | harleypig | wait ... how do the anonymous sub in S get called? |
| 21:37.29 | Uncle_Jesse | neybar: that's a good point - I wonder if interchange will accept a coderef |
| 21:39.20 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: by an external app that reads the "usertag" |
| 21:39.47 | harleypig | No, in the lambdaperl article linked by levi |
| 21:40.04 | harleypig | sub S { my $x = $_[0]; sub { ... } } |
| 21:40.31 | harleypig | How does that anonymous sub get called?? |
| 21:40.40 | levi | harleypig: It's the magic of the Y combinator. |
| 21:41.32 | findlay | magic? |
| 21:41.43 | findlay | there's a magic() routine? |
| 21:42.03 | findlay | does it involve a pheonix feather? |
| 21:43.17 | levi | harleypig: Actually, that's the S combinator. |
| 21:43.36 | levi | harleypig: And it returns a function, you take care of calling it later. |
| 21:44.27 | redbeard1 | Magic::Phoenix->feather(); |
| 21:44.29 | harleypig | I understand it gets called later (that's usually what's done with anonymous subs) but there's no handle on it ... how do you grab it later? |
| 21:45.19 | findlay | haha |
| 21:45.23 | findlay | this is nice |
| 21:45.26 | levi | It's returned from S, and you assign it to a variable when you call it. |
| 21:48.04 | harleypig | Oh god. I'm so slow. |
| 21:48.40 | harleypig | A subroutine returns the last thing defined ... so $a = S() assigns ... |
| 21:48.48 | harleypig | yeah, I see that now levi |
| 21:48.49 | Jayce^ | ~speed harleypig |
| 21:49.01 | harleypig | Everybody run |
| 21:49.08 | harleypig | the homecoming queen's got a gun |
| 21:49.53 | harleypig | Impressive ... running that script through deparse returns an identical script, excepting formatting and comments |
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| 21:50.14 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: even I got that ;-) |
| 21:51.37 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, wow, that's just a mean thing to say to harleypig |
| 21:51.51 | neybar | Uncle_Jesse-- |
| 21:52.32 | levi | harleypig: The interesting one is the Y combinator at the bottom. S, K, and I are fairly straightforward. |
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| 21:55.02 | harleypig | ow ow ow ow |
| 21:55.17 | Uncle_Jesse | bwahahahaha |
| 21:55.20 | harleypig | $N = sub { }; $N->($N) |
| 21:55.45 | harleypig | Why do I have visions of bread dough in my head? |
| 21:56.13 | findlay | lol |
| 21:56.56 | harleypig | That's an awfully roundabout way to make a factorial function ... other than the (w)ow factor, what's the purpose of doing something like this ... |
| 21:57.11 | harleypig | don't get me wrong ... I'm pring this out and studying it |
| 21:57.19 | harleypig | s/pring/printing/ |
| 21:57.28 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you pring! |
| 21:57.33 | findlay | harleypig: it's to remind lisp people of the good old days |
| 21:57.53 | findlay | at least you can have that as an answer until levi responds with a mre cogent response |
| 21:58.01 | findlay | s/mre/more |
| 21:58.09 | levi | harleypig: It's not just for factorials, Y lets you turn any anonymous function into a recursive one. |
| 21:58.13 | findlay | see |
| 21:58.22 | harleypig | :] |
| 21:58.38 | findlay | somebody get me away from the keyboard |
| 21:58.43 | harleypig | So Y is expecting $_[0] to be an anonyous sub? |
| 21:59.01 | levi | Yes. |
| 21:59.08 | levi | Well, any sub |
| 21:59.14 | levi | Doesn't have to be anonymous. |
| 21:59.20 | harleypig | true |
| 21:59.24 | harleypig | Y \&sub |
| 22:01.38 | harleypig | Ok ... that flattened (somewhat) for me all of a sudden ... but what is $N->($N) doing? Y is returning the result of $N->($N) but I'm not clear on this part yet. |
| 22:04.11 | findlay | wow, this Dvorak study has been very good |
| 22:04.52 | harleypig | woops ... $N is even trickier than I thought: $M->( sub{ $x->( $x )->( $_[0] ) } ) ... not sure what this is doing either. |
| 22:05.23 | harleypig | something similar to $N->( $N ) I'm guessing. |
| 22:05.25 | levi | harleypig: $N->($N) is the recursive application. |
| 22:05.42 | harleypig | levi: I gathered that, but how is it not going into an infinte loop? |
| 22:09.45 | levi | Your sub must be set up properly. Look at how the implementation of factorial does it. |
| 22:10.06 | levi | Your sub takes a sub as an argument, and calls it to do recursive invocations. |
| 22:10.16 | harleypig | Ok ... so it's assuming a certain setup ... |
| 22:10.26 | harleypig | oh ... I see part of my problem ... |
| 22:10.52 | harleypig | I'm thinking that the $N = sub { } is being executed, but I should know better ... it's not executed until its called ... |
| 22:11.00 | levi | Anyway, the Y combinator is very hairy, and I don't really grok the derivation. |
| 22:11.16 | harleypig | So when I'm mentally tracing flow I should be going from $N->( $N ) up, not $M = $_[0] down. |
| 22:11.29 | findlay | levi: maybe you can explain it all at the next NUPM meeting (: |
| 22:11.35 | harleypig | Yeah! |
| 22:12.35 | findlay | Dvorak's 8th is a lot like Beethoven's 6th |
| 22:13.09 | levi | http://dangermouse.brynmawr.edu/cs245/ycomb_jim.html |
| 22:13.34 | levi | There's a derivation of the y combinator in scheme, which is a little clearer than perl in this case. |
| 22:17.14 | levi | Here's another one, a little more verbose: http://www.dreamsongs.com/NewFiles/WhyOfY.pdf |
| 22:18.57 | levi | A more general introduction to lambda calculus, including Y: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.07/07.05/LambdaCalculus/index.html |
| 22:21.55 | harleypig | or, maybe it's more $M = $_[0] ; $N->( $N ); $N = sub { } |
| 22:22.24 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, |
| 22:23.03 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: |
| 22:23.37 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, |
| 22:24.07 | harleypig | levi: thanks |
| 22:25.54 | levi | Oh, and here's an interesting paper that talks about possible practical uses for Y: http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/compress/0/papers/cs/25862/http:zSzzSzwww.scms.rgu.ac.ukzSzstaffzSzbjmzSzdoczSzfics2001.ps.gz/mcadams01practical.ps |
| 22:26.16 | levi | It uses ML syntax, though; it may or may not be clearer for you than the Scheme. |
| 22:27.08 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart OpenOffice for not making maximum rows in Calc dynamic |
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| 22:37.52 | bonez39 | I just rebooted, and while the gui (gnome 2.x) was loading I hit ctrl-alt-F1 and opened a prompt after logging in as user, I recorded the following: |
| 22:39.25 | bonez39 | hdc: command error: status=0x51 {DriveReach . seek CompleteError} hdc: command error: error=0x50 end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, secotr 64, isofx_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdc, iso=blknum=16 block=16.com |
| 22:39.44 | bonez39 | the drive I boot up from is hdc, but I run on hde, an SATA drive...... |
| 22:43.08 | bonez39 | I guess one question is how would I convert my /etc/fstab over so that I boot instead just from hde |
| 22:49.25 | findlay | bonez39: you will need your boot information on hde |
| 22:49.51 | bonez39 | findlay, ok, I'll paste it here...hold on...or should I paste my /etc/fstab in #flood? |
| 22:50.20 | findlay | bonez39: I mean you need your /boot dir on hde |
| 22:50.48 | bonez39 | dev hdc.....what am I thinking..that's my dvd/cdrom |
| 22:50.59 | bonez39 | why would my dvd/cd drive be doing this? |
| 22:51.26 | findlay | there's a kernel config option that deals with that |
| 22:51.43 | bonez39 | weird....mind taking a look in #flood, if I paste it there? |
| 22:51.52 | bonez39 | or is that not a good idea? |
| 22:51.59 | findlay | no, that's fine |
| 22:52.04 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 22:52.54 | bonez39 | ok, it's there now |
| 22:53.16 | hell-ro | ~seen lars-ut |
| 22:53.31 | ibot | lars-ut <n=lars-ut@70.103.228.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 51m 36s ago, saying: 'Kuyaedz: Did you already find that one?'. |
| 22:53.50 | hell-ro | ~seen lars-ut-away |
| 22:53.53 | ibot | lars-ut-away <n=lars-ut@70.103.228.158> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 7d 1h 50m 7s ago, saying: 'macnewbold: When you acept an account transfer on GoDaddy with their hosting, does the old domain content come with it?'. |
| 22:54.05 | hell-ro | grr |
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| 22:59.20 | bonez39 | findlay, one other question... |
| 23:00.00 | bonez39 | I cd /old and then run ls -ltr and the lost+found folder is marked 2006-6-12 as if I have recently used it..... |
| 23:01.05 | findlay | bonez39: lost+found is a special dir made by the kernel/filesystem to assign orphaned inodes into and possibly to fix other filesystem breakage |
| 23:01.31 | findlay | if it exists and has files in it, it means your filesystem has had troubles lately |
| 23:01.58 | bonez39 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 2005-07-25 07:51 lost+found |
| 23:01.58 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.25 | bonez39 | doesn't that suggest that the system is using the lost+found folder on /old as opposed to the one on / |
| 23:02.42 | findlay | there's one for every filesystem (partition) |
| 23:02.42 | bonez39 | no files in it......it's just there |
| 23:02.46 | bonez39 | oh, I see |
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| 23:13.44 | harleypig | I'd rather clean all the bathrooms in central station |
| 23:13.47 | harleypig | with my tongue |
| 23:13.50 | harleypig | than spend another minute |
| 23:13.52 | harleypig | with you |
| 23:14.03 | linuxalien | Weird Al! |
| 23:14.09 | harleypig | :> |
| 23:15.52 | linuxalien | I wanna be adopted by Weird Al. |
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| 23:22.12 | harleypig | Rammstein does mexican! |
| 23:22.28 | harleypig | te quiero puta! |
| 23:28.40 | linuxalien | lol |
| 23:28.52 | linuxalien | I heard that on the bus sometimes. UTA has all kinds. :) |
| 23:32.45 | nick125_lappy | o.0 whats going on here? |
| 23:33.17 | Kuyaedz | if there a way to tell the WAN IP from ifconfig or similar? |
| 23:33.43 | nick125_lappy | you can only get the IP assigned to the interface from ifconfig |
| 23:43.16 | Kuyaedz | man 2wire sucks |
| 23:45.24 | Kuyaedz | I can't find any options or documentation about remote management on this 2wire gateway |
| 23:46.27 | findlay | is anybody here on an FC5 system? |
| 23:46.31 | tene | yes |
| 23:46.45 | tene | findlay: I am. |
| 23:46.45 | findlay | tene: start firefox from the command line |
| 23:47.15 | tene | okay... |
| 23:47.31 | findlay | did you get any complaints from /usr/libexec/mozilla-launcher? |
| 23:47.34 | tene | no |
| 23:47.48 | findlay | are you up2date? |
| 23:47.54 | tene | nope |
| 23:47.58 | findlay | hm |
| 23:49.34 | flyboy^ | findlay: I am using FC5 |
| 23:49.54 | findlay | hahaha |
| 23:49.57 | findlay | yes! |
| 23:50.05 | findlay | I've *finally* figured it out |
| 23:50.15 | flyboy^ | Yeah, I wasn't having any issues. |
| 23:50.17 | flyboy^ | What was wrong? |
| 23:50.28 | findlay | duh! |
| 23:51.08 | findlay | well, I thought in turn it had to do with make, and then with bash, and then with grep |
| 23:51.47 | findlay | after gathering instances of more subtle errors I could eliminate make as one of the causes |
| 23:52.20 | findlay | it wasn't bash either, but all instances contained a use of grep within a shell command |
| 23:52.37 | findlay | and expected a predictable result |
| 23:53.40 | findlay | but I was put on the wrong line of reasoning completely when it happened on an FC5 box I was using, naturally you eliminate the differences and what is left should be the cause |
| 23:53.48 | findlay | which turned out to be me (: |
| 23:54.42 | findlay | the problem was that I added the following line to /root/.bashrc: export GREP_OPTIONS="--color=always" |
| 23:55.00 | flyboy^ | ahh. |
| 23:55.08 | flyboy^ | Yeah, that'll snag ya. |
| 23:55.11 | findlay | and the scripts were choking on the color chars |
| 23:55.13 | findlay | (: |
| 23:55.53 | findlay | but in the process I learned a lot about make, which I guess is good |
| 23:56.23 | flyboy^ | alias cgrep="grep --color=always" |
| 23:56.36 | findlay | flyboy^: yeah I was about to do that |
| 23:56.43 | findlay | much better idea (: |
| 23:57.37 | flyboy^ | You might also be able to put a straight greap --color=always in the .bash_profile instead of the .bashrc |
| 23:57.47 | flyboy^ | I'm wondering if that might avoid some of the problems. |
| 23:57.55 | findlay | let's see ... |
