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| 00:15.00 | griffeymac | Hi folks! |
| 00:17.44 | emcnabb | hello |
| 00:17.55 | emcnabb | unpacking is not fun |
| 00:18.02 | emcnabb | but it's better than packing |
| 00:18.06 | emcnabb | (a house that is) |
| 00:18.09 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 00:18.22 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, congrats on the new house |
| 00:18.29 | emcnabb | I do have a very big home office though |
| 00:18.39 | emcnabb | I have a place for a server rack too |
| 00:18.46 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy: thanks |
| 00:19.59 | griffeymac | emcnabb: Have you moved? |
| 00:20.23 | griffeymac | (What a dumb question that was...) |
| 00:21.45 | emcnabb | yeah, I'm in NC now |
| 00:21.58 | griffeymac | Cool. :) |
| 00:22.12 | emcnabb | I actually sit right by a guy who when to the U of I in the mid '90s |
| 00:22.31 | emcnabb | well, back to work |
| 00:22.32 | emcnabb | later |
| 00:23.20 | griffeymac | Okay, I have a somewhat-maybe-less-stupid question for any of you folks that would answer... |
| 00:23.58 | griffeymac | My daughter just inherited a Dell laptop--old, old, old. Pentium 1 processor, 40 megs of RAM, 1.5 gig HD running Win 98. |
| 00:24.20 | griffeymac | She's agreed to Linux (she tinkers around with the Fedora 5 box that I have from time to time). |
| 00:24.45 | griffeymac | So my question: suggestions on a flavor of Linux that will run on that laptop? |
| 00:25.18 | xbmodder_lappy | how old is your daughter? |
| 00:25.29 | griffeymac | Nine. |
| 00:25.33 | xbmodder_lappy | like if 20-25, get her slack... |
| 00:25.34 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 00:25.36 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 00:25.52 | xbmodder_lappy | how computer savvr |
| 00:25.55 | griffeymac | Sorry--I should have mentioned that part. :) |
| 00:26.01 | xbmodder_lappy | like whats the most advanced thing she can do? |
| 00:26.34 | griffeymac | Not much. She'll play games, listen to music, write letters in Word, go to AmericanGirl.com (not from the laptop, of course). |
| 00:27.12 | griffeymac | But Win98 is a total dog on this thing. |
| 00:27.32 | griffeymac | And I figured *surely* I can but some sort of *nix on it that is somewhat useable. |
| 00:28.29 | findlay | DSL, Vector Linux, xubuntu |
| 00:28.48 | findlay | netbsd |
| 00:29.00 | mheath | griffeymac, Slackware will run nicely. You can pretty it up to make it nice for your daughter. |
| 00:29.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Yeah if you want to spend alotta time setting up the system, use Slack |
| 00:29.30 | xbmodder_lappy | otherwise DSL |
| 00:29.42 | griffeymac | Cool. |
| 00:29.44 | griffeymac | You folks rock. |
| 00:29.46 | griffeymac | :) |
| 00:29.47 | nick125 | Arch |
| 00:29.57 | nick125 | I have arch on a 400mhz box, and it works pretty well |
| 00:30.04 | nick125 | KDE, etc |
| 00:30.06 | nick125 | its for the family |
| 00:30.28 | griffeymac | I'm guessing this thing is <200 MHz. |
| 00:30.37 | nick125 | blah |
| 00:30.43 | findlay | ouch |
| 00:30.54 | findlay | just install emacs and call that the operating system |
| 00:30.59 | griffeymac | Hah! |
| 00:31.05 | nick125 | lol |
| 00:31.15 | nick125 | the emacs os/religion |
| 00:31.37 | griffeymac | "Here, Em. Have fun. Oh? You want to play solitaire? Go get a deck of cards out of the cabinet in the kitchen..." |
| 00:31.42 | nick125 | LOL |
| 00:32.04 | nick125 | I did something like that to my grandma when she was looking for solitaire in KDE.. |
| 00:32.57 | findlay | are you kidding? There's a card game in KDE/Gnome (I don't remember which) that does hundreds of card games |
| 00:33.07 | griffeymac | I think I'll try Slackware and go from there. |
| 00:33.10 | findlay | probably lets you design your own |
| 00:33.13 | nick125 | lol |
| 00:33.46 | nick125 | griffeymac: slack isn't bad, its just hard to maintain |
| 00:33.49 | griffeymac | (Well, she's upset that the penguin slide-down-the-hill 3D game that was in FC4 isn't in FC5.) |
| 00:34.08 | nick125 | tuxracer? |
| 00:34.25 | griffeymac | Well, I think if I can get it to a "working point" that I won't need to worry about updates, etc. |
| 00:34.31 | griffeymac | I mean, it can't be worse than Win98, right? |
| 00:34.39 | griffeymac | nick125-- yep, tuxracer. |
| 00:34.43 | findlay | good luck getting tuxracer on that thing |
| 00:34.56 | griffeymac | Yeah, I already explained to her that tuxracer won't work. |
| 00:35.03 | nick125 | slackware makes things hard.... |
| 00:35.07 | nick125 | of course it will |
| 00:35.09 | nick125 | :D |
| 00:35.20 | findlay | I'd try a xubuntu or VL live CD first |
| 00:35.20 | griffeymac | But if MahJongg, and maybe a text editor, and a CD player worked... |
| 00:35.39 | griffeymac | findlay: Okay. |
| 00:36.40 | griffeymac | ('cause Slackware scares me...) |
| 00:36.46 | nick125 | yeah... |
| 00:36.54 | nick125 | try Arch..it works really well imho.. |
| 00:37.01 | nick125 | it doesn't take too long to install... |
| 00:37.15 | griffeymac | Okay. |
| 00:37.16 | nick125 | including downloading hte ISO and all the packages once it was installed, I think it took..an hour to get up and running with KDE, etc |
| 00:37.23 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, boo |
| 00:37.25 | griffeymac | Wow. |
| 00:37.33 | findlay | arch is pretty good too |
| 00:37.33 | xbmodder_lappy | Arch is horrible |
| 00:37.34 | nick125 | wait..is that thing even a i686? |
| 00:37.39 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, no |
| 00:37.41 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: you haven't even tried it -_- |
| 00:37.49 | xbmodder_lappy | pentium 1 iirc |
| 00:37.57 | findlay | or gentoo if you used distcc (obviously) |
| 00:38.00 | griffeymac | P5 isn't 686? |
| 00:38.05 | griffeymac | No, dork, it's 586. |
| 00:38.07 | griffeymac | Duh. |
| 00:38.10 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, gentoo needs at least 64MB RAM |
| 00:38.39 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: unless you custom built your own profile with embedded components |
| 00:38.50 | findlay | like uClibc, etc |
| 00:39.30 | xbmodder_lappy | griffeymac, DSL |
| 00:39.37 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, that takes SO much time |
| 00:39.43 | findlay | \-/ |
| 00:39.45 | findlay | . . |
| 00:39.47 | findlay | u |
| 00:39.52 | xbmodder_lappy | griffeymac, Do you have 200-300 dollars to spare? |
| 00:40.05 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: not if you compile it elsewhere |
| 00:40.12 | griffeymac | Sure, but what for? :D |
| 00:40.29 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: wants to give me money but can't |
| 00:40.32 | griffeymac | (I could probably get a better laptop for $300 on eBay, eh?) |
| 00:40.56 | xbmodder_lappy | griffeymac, you could probably get a better new laptop for 300 bucks |
| 00:41.12 | xbmodder_lappy | get a desktop |
| 00:41.23 | griffeymac | Well, again, she's 9 and doesn't *need* a laptop. |
| 00:41.37 | xbmodder_lappy | get a desktop ($200) |
| 00:41.39 | griffeymac | And she has a perfectly good set of computers to use here. |
| 00:41.42 | findlay | s/: wants to give me money but can't/owes me a million/ |
| 00:41.48 | griffeymac | She had a computer in her room, and we got rid of it. |
| 00:41.49 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 00:42.00 | xbmodder_lappy | griffeymac, May I ask why? |
| 00:42.34 | griffeymac | PowerMac 7300, OS 8.1, dual 2 gig drives, 17 monitor == took up too much room. |
| 00:43.00 | griffeymac | And my wife wasn't thrilled with computers being "everywhere" in the house. |
| 00:43.18 | griffeymac | So now we're down to three, all of which are contained in the Nerdrium. |
| 00:43.42 | xbmodder_lappy | What fate did that computer meet? |
| 00:44.24 | griffeymac | I gave it to my old boss. |
| 00:44.35 | griffeymac | She was using a 6100 (that she had purchased new) and it died. |
| 00:44.58 | griffeymac | Her husband was fooling around and they got divorced, and after her 6100 died she was left with an old Win98 machine. |
| 00:45.17 | griffeymac | And she's an old school Mac person, so I figured that would be a good match. |
| 00:45.32 | findlay | a fate that no one would want forced upon them |
| 00:45.45 | findlay | (about being left with the Win98 machine) |
| 00:45.48 | griffeymac | Exactly. |
| 00:45.53 | griffeymac | It has a good home, and she's happy. |
| 00:46.40 | griffeymac | The B&W G3 from my son's room went to my best friend's house to replace a Rev. A iMac that had just broken. |
| 00:47.03 | griffeymac | So now we're down to three. |
| 00:49.18 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 00:49.26 | xbmodder_lappy | cool, how old is your son? |
| 00:49.32 | xbmodder_lappy | 6? |
| 00:49.33 | griffeymac | 10. |
| 00:49.38 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 00:49.48 | griffeymac | (they're 14 months apart) |
| 00:53.34 | griffeymac | Okay, folks, I need to go wrangle the kids together and get them to bed, etc. |
| 00:53.43 | griffeymac | Thanks VERY MUCH for the suggestions. |
| 00:53.51 | griffeymac | I think I'll try DSL first and see how it goes. |
| 00:54.03 | griffeymac | And, of course, I'll be back either way... |
| 01:10.41 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 01:12.21 | findlay | (-: |
| 01:13.11 | xbmodder_lappy | D-: |
| 01:13.46 | findlay | :-d |
| 01:14.01 | xbmodder_lappy | :-P |
| 01:14.20 | findlay | d-: |
| 01:18.50 | xbmodder_lappy | yay! |
| 01:18.52 | xbmodder_lappy | :-D |
| 01:38.54 | mrpull | what's up all? |
| 01:39.13 | xbmodder_lappy | my new laptop makes me wanna kill it |
| 01:39.18 | xbmodder_lappy | things that don't work: |
| 01:39.23 | xbmodder_lappy | Ethernet Card |
| 01:39.23 | xbmodder_lappy | wireless |
| 01:39.30 | xbmodder_lappy | ethernet card has a messed up EEPROM |
| 01:39.32 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: why did you get it? |
| 01:39.49 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull, my old one is dying. |
| 01:40.08 | mrpull | was it given to you? or did you just not shop wisely? |
| 01:40.33 | xbmodder_lappy | its a Lenovo T60p |
| 01:41.20 | mrpull | Linux has run historically run well on the T series. It is a shame you are having so many problems. |
| 01:41.34 | mrpull | Just run your distro of choice in a VM under windows :) |
| 01:41.42 | xbmodder_lappy | I wanted to get a X60.. but I went with a T- for the speed |
| 01:42.13 | mrpull | aren't the X series still stuck at 1024x768 or some other really low rez? |
| 01:42.38 | xbmodder_lappy | at a 12" screen.. mutch more would be bad |
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| 01:42.43 | xbmodder_lappy | much |
| 01:43.22 | mrpull | i love and hate my 12" notebook. Great for meetings and lugging around... but the 1024x768 is just too little for me. |
| 01:45.06 | xbmodder_lappy | If I don't get this machine working by monday, its going back |
| 01:47.23 | nick125 | wtf |
| 01:47.35 | nick125 | some people have...issues |
| 01:47.48 | nick125 | i am bored mail me back |
| 01:47.49 | nick125 | hi hi hi hi |
| 01:47.52 | nick125 | [...] |
| 01:48.00 | nick125 | mail me back |
| 01:48.00 | nick125 | now |
| 01:48.00 | nick125 | no seriously |
| 01:48.01 | nick125 | NOW |
| 01:48.11 | xbmodder_lappy | *BOOM* |
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| 01:52.34 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: no you didn't leave.. |
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| 02:02.56 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
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| 02:05.24 | nick125 | I think my core duo is faster then my p4.. |
| 02:05.32 | xbmodder_lappy | it is |
| 02:05.44 | xbmodder_lappy | its faster than the P4 |
| 02:05.47 | xbmodder_lappy | and most xeons |
| 02:14.19 | nick125 | I'm wondering it would take less then two hours to do a full gentoo install |
| 02:14.23 | nick125 | xorg, xfce, etc |
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| 02:16.51 | xbmodder_lappy | it took 6 hours |
| 02:16.56 | xbmodder_lappy | but I have a 5k/s connection |
| 02:17.00 | nick125 | lol |
| 02:17.11 | nick125 | took 1 hour for base install |
| 02:23.34 | mrpull | does the core duo support VT? |
| 02:25.32 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull, do you want me to check? |
| 02:25.48 | xbmodder_lappy | Ethernet is fixed! |
| 02:26.15 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, why is it you can afford tons of google stock, yet can't get a decent internet connection? |
| 02:26.32 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: sure! |
| 02:26.58 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, because my parents decided that expensive houses are good |
| 02:27.06 | xbmodder_lappy | and expensive houses are far away from the CO |
| 02:27.48 | mheath | Hahaha....It blows my mind how spoiled you are....wow... |
| 02:29.11 | xbmodder_lappy | the city (who has a multi-million dollar fiber backbone that was installed by a few companies in 2000) doesn't want to open their infrastructure |
| 02:29.39 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, I have been saving up for two years for this box... |
| 02:30.38 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, because your parents thought you should learn responsibility, right? Like they thought you should learn to invest, by letting you buy tons of google stock. |
| 02:31.42 | mheath | Teach the rich kid how to be responsible by making him 'save' for his expensive laptop. :) |
| 02:39.18 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 02:39.36 | xbmodder_lappy | it has vt |
| 02:41.58 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here from Provo, utah? |
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| 03:07.07 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: cool. you'll have to do some xen-vt stuff on it. |
| 03:07.35 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: why do you ask about Provo? Most of the BYU UUG guys live in or near provo |
| 03:13.19 | xbmodder_lappy | because turned out that my friend's birthtown was provo |
| 03:14.58 | mrpull | Provo is probably the third largest city in the state.... So lots of #utah'ers live in or near Provo |
| 03:15.48 | xbmodder_lappy | I really need to consolidate my kernel |
| 03:21.05 | levi | I went to a couple of years of school in Provo. |
| 03:21.29 | levi | No doubt long before xbmodder's friend was born, though. |
| 03:21.35 | xbmodder_lappy | probably |
| 03:21.50 | xbmodder_lappy | '91? |
| 03:22.21 | levi | I was going to high school in Dugway, UT in '91. |
| 03:22.48 | xbmodder_lappy | class of? |
| 03:22.52 | levi | '94 |
| 03:23.11 | levi | I graduated from Albermarle High School in Virginia, though. |
| 03:23.15 | xbmodder_lappy | 18 years older than me? |
| 03:23.25 | xbmodder_lappy | 33? |
| 03:23.39 | levi | Um, no. I'm 29. |
| 03:23.48 | xbmodder_lappy | oh... |
| 03:24.20 | levi | Perhaps some of your uber-computer's spare cycles could be devoted to arithmetic. |
| 03:24.21 | xbmodder_lappy | almost double my age |
| 03:24.27 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
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| 03:43.34 | xbmodder_lappy | this thing is too fast. |
| 03:45.50 | levi | Hi elg. |
| 03:45.53 | mheath | ~lart xbmodder_lappy |
| 03:45.57 | elg | howdy |
| 03:46.05 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:46.22 | mheath | I was contemplating a quick little program...wondering what you all would think: |
| 03:46.37 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, it takes 30 times the amount of time to download the file than it does to compile |
| 03:46.37 | mheath | Its a search utility for free software, meant for beginning users |
| 03:46.47 | levi | mheath: I'm surprised you keep asking what we think. |
| 03:47.22 | mheath | the idea is, a user inputs a category ("Word Processor") or non-free alternative ("Microsoft Word"), and the utility suggests a free alternative ("Openoffice.org") |
| 03:47.25 | levi | mheath: It inevitably leads to argument, and I can't recall one of them that's changed your mind. |
| 03:47.49 | mheath | Including integrating with package managers, and offering to install the application for the user. |
| 03:48.30 | mheath | levi: I take your suggestions to heart, always :) |
| 03:48.39 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, is there already a database for this? |
| 03:48.50 | levi | That doesn't sound like a quick little program. |
| 03:48.52 | xbmodder_lappy | (usuable database) |
| 03:49.05 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, the hardest part seems like building the database |
| 03:49.06 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, no? This would be a bit redundant if there was. |
| 03:49.20 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, oh, fun.. I like the idea though |
| 03:49.29 | mheath | levi: but do you like the idea? :) |
| 03:52.01 | levi | Well, it's not a bad idea in itself, but I don't see a huge amount of utility in it beyond a nice little list or table. |
| 03:52.56 | mheath | levi: it integrates with the package managers on Linux systems. The steps to install the software with this utility would be the same, regardless of what distro the user was using. |
| 03:53.25 | mheath | Simplifies installing the alternatives to commercial applications a lot for beginning users, I think. |
| 03:54.00 | levi | Yes, I understand that part, but I don't see it being a big win. A minor convenience, perhaps. |
| 03:55.58 | xbmodder_lappy | a convience |
| 03:56.31 | mheath | I was also thinking of integrating WINE information on it |
| 03:56.39 | mheath | IE, search for "World of Warcraft" |
| 03:57.07 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, I guess you'd have each package XML, and there would be a WINE property |
| 03:57.26 | mheath | "This program is compatible with WINE version _____. This tool can install and configure this version of WINE for you, and prepare your system to install World of Warcraft. Would you like to continue?" |
| 03:57.33 | levi | mheath: BTW, do you still want to send me your paper on your global object network? |
| 03:58.10 | mheath | levi: I'll have to find it, but yeah, sure :) |
| 03:59.12 | mheath | "Alternatively, we recommend the following programs: <list of some native, free MMORPGs>. To install one, click on it." |
| 04:02.32 | xbmodder_lappy | 283 kbit/sec |
| 04:03.33 | xbmodder_lappy | why do people hit me |
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| 04:07.45 | levi | elg: Been doing any more Scheme lately? |
| 04:08.20 | levi | elg: Or still stuck in C++ hell? |
| 04:10.38 | elg | c++ hell |
| 04:10.43 | elg | and wedding/family functions |
| 04:10.50 | elg | which isn't much better |
| 04:13.31 | levi | No indeed. |
| 04:13.48 | levi | Hey, this is kind of slick: http://www.logowiki.net/ |
| 04:15.15 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, what server? |
| 04:17.29 | levi | Also interesting: http://pico.vub.ac.be/ |
| 04:17.32 | brac | [Untitled Document] |
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| 04:19.39 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: ummm... no server |
| 04:19.47 | maquis | our bzflag bots for AI class aren't playing very nicely |
| 04:21.14 | mheath | Time to see how my laptop plays with unplugging it from all my docking station stuff |
| 04:22.14 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, try to eject all the drives @ the docking station ex "eject /dev/sdaX" |
| 04:24.48 | levi | maquis: Heh, doing game AIs for AI class? |
| 04:25.29 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, try to say something intelligent. :) |
| 04:25.35 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, will you send your code upstream, so single player mode doesn't suck? |
| 04:25.46 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, you can actually eject SATA hard drives |
| 04:26.03 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, I'm sure you do. |
| 04:27.12 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, Have you ever played with hot-swappable SATA drives? |
| 04:27.32 | mheath | Now I have. |
| 04:29.00 | levi | elg: Hmm, I was going to say what you said on Gabriel's blog. Oh well. |
| 04:29.17 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 04:39.22 | mheath | sigh. Time for sleep. |
| 04:39.36 | levi | Speaking of geek watches: http://www.i4u.com/article5820.html |
| 04:39.43 | brac | [I4U News - World's First Commercially Available Bluetooth Watch Citizen VIRT] |
| 04:41.03 | elg | oh great, it will remind you if you leave your ball and chain behind |
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| 05:20.23 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: there's someone working on adding the bot API to bzflag2 |
| 05:20.31 | maquis | the code we're using only works on bzflag1 |
| 05:20.34 | maquis | and it's not very good |
| 05:20.46 | maquis | levi: yes... bzflag AIs... |
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| 05:23.45 | findlay | maquis: bzflag already has an AI |
| 05:24.29 | findlay | what's API is that Artificial aPe Intelligence? |
| 05:24.30 | maquis | findlay: true... but it doesn't quite do what we need it to |
| 05:26.13 | findlay | and how does TimRiker feel about you mucking with his code? I suspect you've already heard from his lawyers |
| 05:26.29 | maquis | haha |
| 05:27.00 | findlay | and for a university no less. No, there's no fair use provisions especially not for educational purposes |
| 05:27.25 | maquis | lol |
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| 06:04.10 | mheath | "An escalator can never break. It can only become stairs. You would never see an 'Escalator Temporarily Out of Order' sign, just 'Escalator Temporarily Stairs. Sorry for the convenience.'" |
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| 06:11.37 | mheath | battery....at....5% |
| 06:11.49 | mheath | We...don't...have...enough.....POWER! |
| 06:11.52 | findlay | ~slashdot |
| 06:11.59 | mheath | Goodnight. This poor laptop is hibernating. |
| 06:12.13 | findlay | ~spew lots of garbage to soak up mheath's battery! |
| 06:12.27 | findlay | ~/. |
| 06:13.17 | dna3e8 | in os X how do you share a folder on the network when the folder is not in the user tree |
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| 06:16.53 | findlay | linuxalien: was it difficult landing your Linux powered UFO on Earth tonight through the rainstorm? |
| 06:17.50 | linuxalien | Yeah - NiMH batteries suck. I need to steal some LiPolymer from Area 51. |
| 06:18.41 | linuxalien | I bet god has better batteries though. I wonder if my UFO will run off a burning bush |
| 06:19.48 | findlay | probably |
| 06:20.19 | linuxalien | That would be cool...unless you busted ass. Could get painful |
| 06:30.19 | linuxalien | I should be asleep |
| 06:35.17 | linuxalien | I should also be sane but oh well |
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| 07:42.12 | xbmodder_lappy | woo hoo! |
| 07:42.42 | xbmodder_lappy | I should probably make it so it works with the other 20 IBM models |
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| 07:46.28 | maquis | -lart tensai |
| 07:46.36 | maquis | http://www.evanwashere.com/StolenSidekick/ <-- interesting |
| 07:46.40 | brac | [How NOT to steal a SideKick II] |
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| 13:26.53 | goozbach | ~rpunk |
| 13:27.41 | tene | <3 perl |
| 13:28.00 | goozbach | tene: amen, but why today? |
| 13:29.39 | tene | I read Higher Order Perl a week or so ago and I'm already finding places where things discussed in that book make my code cleaner, easier to read, and more powerful. |
| 13:31.19 | goozbach | cool |
| 13:31.36 | goozbach | I think I'm gonna buy OOPerl this weekend |
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| 13:36.30 | redbeard1 | think it'll rain today? |
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| 13:38.17 | tene | I certainly hope so. |
| 13:38.44 | redbeard1 | my plan this morning: go to lowes, then to costco gas, then to work |
| 13:38.58 | redbeard1 | when i walked outside, it was pretty cloudy but not bad |
| 13:39.31 | redbeard1 | when i walked out of lowes, it was noticeably darker, and sprinkling a little bit |
| 13:39.50 | redbeard1 | by the time i made it to the gas station a mile away, it was full-on pouring |
| 13:42.36 | goozbach | ~ring redbeard1's beard |
| 13:42.37 | ibot | before redbeard1's beard dies, they see the ring |
| 13:55.11 | mrpull- | goozbach: OO Perl is a mess. Use Python or Ruby ;-) |
| 14:00.02 | goozbach | mrpull-: project already uses perl, and I prefer perl |
| 14:00.15 | tene | <3 perl |
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| 14:11.18 | mrpull- | goozbach: just razzing you. |
| 14:13.15 | goozbach | and Python blows |
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| 14:14.00 | mrpull- | what's not to like about python? |
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| 14:17.19 | tensai | sorry maquis. power outage apparently. |
| 14:17.45 | mrpull- | ~hug redundant power |
| 14:17.47 | ibot | ACTION hugs redundant power |
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| 14:38.23 | elg | this will make watching sci-fi just a little more believable |
| 14:38.25 | elg | http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html |
| 14:38.40 | mrpull- | http://wiki.mako.cc/WeddingVows |
| 14:38.54 | mrpull- | Holy Cow. |
| 14:41.19 | elg | uh, yeah. what guest is going to be able to figure out "the numbers of letters in each word in each vow matches consecutive digit in the decimal expansion of a famous mathematical constant" on the spot? |
| 14:42.07 | mrpull- | who's wife goes for that sort of nerdiness? |
| 14:47.39 | elg | one whose wife is also a mathematician nut |
| 14:53.07 | mrpull- | heh... he also wrote poetry using only the names of debian packages |
| 14:53.10 | mrpull- | what a goofus |
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| 15:12.15 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:13.16 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 15:14.39 | mheath | ~rlart |
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| 15:17.36 | emcnabb | ~rlart |
| 15:30.53 | harleypig | I thought corporate culture was bad here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060607/od_nm/vietnam_karaoke_dc&printer=1;_ylt=Ao19Hv53_A2T55nGXlQLbNQZ.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE- |
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| 15:46.18 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
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| 15:46.25 | dkelson | yo |
| 15:46.28 | maquis | dkelson: hi |
| 15:47.15 | dkelson | nice rainy day today...keeps the pollen on the ground. |
| 15:49.00 | mheath | Uh.....sure... O.o |
| 15:49.29 | maquis | -lart mheath |
| 15:49.52 | nick125 | grr...fun |
| 15:50.07 | nick125 | I finished installing gentoo on the lappy, but, it won't boot for some reason or another.. |
| 15:50.12 | mrpull- | maquis: where have you been? |
| 15:50.37 | nick125 | it keeps telling me that /dev/sda7 isn't valid, and to reboot with a valid root= entry.. |
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| 15:50.39 | maquis | mrpull-: been very busy... cs labs, and dating... :) |
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| 15:52.23 | dkelson | nick : what is telling you that? |
| 15:52.26 | dkelson | grub? |
| 15:52.32 | nick125 | kernel panic.. |
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| 15:54.00 | maquis | ~curse bzflag |
| 15:54.02 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bzflag ! |
| 15:54.18 | nick125 | :o |
| 15:54.59 | nick125 | this is fun.. |
| 15:57.14 | sjansen | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/06/msg00256.html <-- Now _that's_ a flamewar. |
| 15:57.18 | brac | [Who can make binding legal agreements] |
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| 16:05.45 | fungus | A sailor was driven off course by a storm, and smashed into a small island. The next morning, he awoke on the beach. The sand and sky were reddish. Walking around in a daze, the sailor saw red birds, red grass, red trees and red bananas. He was shocked to find that even his skin was reddish. "Oh, noooooo!" he exclaimed. "I'm marooned!" |
| 16:07.25 | nick125 | yay! |
| 16:07.34 | nick125 | it boots...nevermind |
| 16:07.56 | nick125 | forgot to update fstab...need to fix that |
| 16:08.01 | nick125 | but, least it goes into init |
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| 16:15.50 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 16:17.46 | levi2 | Bah, world cup. |
| 16:18.17 | lars-ut | hey - I've got Italians in the office. It's a big deal. |
| 16:18.19 | nick125 | wewt |
| 16:18.21 | nick125 | that was easy |
| 16:18.27 | nick125 | (getting ipw3945 working) |
| 16:18.36 | lars-ut | well, not really. |
| 16:19.05 | lars-ut | Soccer seems important to these Italianos though |
| 16:22.57 | levi2 | Yeah, Europeans seem to be really into it. |
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| 16:25.08 | lars-ut | I'm a fair-weathered fan re: sports. Brazil seems to be a good bet in soccer all of the time. |
| 16:25.55 | lars-ut | I rarely bother watching the Jazz or BYU anymore, because when they lose I feel like the hours I just spent watching were wasted. |
| 16:26.17 | lars-ut | different attending sporting events in person though. |
| 16:33.19 | nick125 | ipw3945 was the easiest wireless I've ever gotten working :D |
| 16:33.25 | nick125 | modprobed the driver, ran iwlist eth2 scanning, ran iwconfig eth2 essid nick125, then ran ifconfig eth2 <my ip info>, and tada, it worked |
| 16:36.11 | goozbach | a drive-by dkelson'ing |
| 16:36.14 | goozbach | and I missed it |
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| 16:55.05 | nick125 | w00t! |
| 16:56.17 | QBFreak | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:58.09 | macnewbold | hm, interesting :) |
| 16:58.09 | lars-ut | Might have something to do with he & I sharing first _and_ last names |
| 16:58.17 | macnewbold | no way! that's too funny |
| 16:58.21 | lars-ut | yep. |
| 16:58.30 | macnewbold | time to take advantage of your celebrity status, Lars... |
| 16:58.38 | lars-ut | this one has a password-protected spreadsheet link |
| 16:58.38 | nick125 | lol' |
| 16:58.43 | nick125 | LOL |
| 16:58.51 | sjansen | ~lart levi2 for disparaging the world cup |
| 16:59.05 | macnewbold | my family has a lot of Rasmuson's in it too, but ours is spelled in the proper (swedish) way... |
| 16:59.33 | lars-ut | ah. |
| 16:59.36 | sjansen | Although I do have to admit the World Cup would be more interesting if it weren't so obivous that Brazil is going to win again. ;-) |
| 16:59.42 | lars-ut | amen! |
| 16:59.45 | lars-ut | sjansen: world cup audio or video link? |
| 17:00.41 | sjansen | Haven't gone looking yet. Supposedly ESPN was going to carry something. |
| 17:00.53 | sjansen | If you live in the UK, the BBC is streaming. |
| 17:01.08 | goozbach | ESPN mobile has it |
| 17:01.18 | goozbach | and Comcast has it on demand |
| 17:01.27 | goozbach | so I'm gonna watch when I get home |
| 17:04.48 | lars-ut | sjansen: the ESPN link looked like it was limitied to certain ISPs |
| 17:05.15 | lars-ut | couldn't access it from here |
| 17:05.33 | lars-ut | I'm huessing Comcast & Verison customers will be okay |
| 17:05.41 | lars-ut | s/Verison/Verizon |
| 17:05.51 | lars-ut | s/huessing/guessing |
| 17:06.00 | lars-ut | wow - I'm worse than usual this morning |
| 17:08.30 | herlo | nah, you're better |
| 17:11.04 | lars-ut | :) |
| 17:12.05 | nick125 | wee :D |
| 17:12.44 | nick125 | whats sad is that I think my lappy is faster then my desktop.. |
| 17:14.15 | sjansen | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=194637 |
| 17:15.03 | Kuyaedz | anyone know where I can find a copy of the Net Neutrality Bill? |
| 17:15.27 | goozbach | magicly fixable hardware |
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| 17:18.09 | sjansen | Heh, maybe I should file a bug about how bugzilla needs a spell checker. ;-) |
| 17:18.12 | nick125_lappy | hey :D |
| 17:20.17 | sjansen | Oh, wait, my spelling was fine. |
| 17:20.19 | sjansen | ~ridicule goozbach |
| 17:20.20 | ibot | ACTION drops goozbach in a tank of pink paint and herring |
| 17:22.08 | macnewbold | hm... pink herring must be better then red herring? |
| 17:22.22 | nick125_lappy | no cle :P |
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| 17:52.52 | xbmodder_ppc | hey |
| 17:54.31 | nick125 | xbmodder_ppc: I finally put gentoo on my lappy |
| 17:54.32 | nick125 | :D |
| 17:54.48 | xbmodder_ppc | sweet |
| 17:54.53 | nick125 | yup |
| 17:55.11 | xbmodder_ppc | i got everything but wireless working. turns out i am gunna need to hack the drivers |
| 17:56.07 | xbmodder_ppc | ping. |
| 17:56.19 | xbmodder_ppc | -( |
| 17:56.25 | xbmodder_ppc | ~lart me |
| 17:56.39 | xbmodder_ppc | ok... |
| 17:56.39 | xbmodder_ppc | wtf |
| 17:56.44 | nick125 | wireless was soooooooo easy |
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| 17:57.16 | nick125 | modprobed the driver, iwlist eth2 scan, iwconfig eth2 essid <ap>, ifconfig eth2 <ip info>, tada, it works |
| 17:57.25 | xbmodder_ppc | nick: my card keeps trying to higher its tx power and sensitevity down |
| 17:57.33 | nick125 | lol |
| 17:57.56 | xbmodder_ppc | dont you have to start ipw3945d |
| 17:58.35 | nick125 | I used google and found a little trick in the forums to make it start it and stop it when its modprobed |
| 17:58.54 | xbmodder_ppc | oh yeah |
| 17:59.16 | xbmodder_ppc | i think i am going to spend this weekend kernel hacking. |
| 17:59.27 | nick125 | lol |
| 17:59.30 | xbmodder_ppc | twenty minutes.. |
| 17:59.47 | xbmodder_ppc | i already got one patch thats about half done |
| 17:59.53 | xbmodder_ppc | the hdaps patch |
| 18:00.04 | nick125 | lol |
| 18:00.32 | xbmodder_ppc | then i had to change modules.conf for e1000 |
| 18:00.41 | xbmodder_ppc | thats all |
| 18:01.03 | xbmodder_ppc | fingerprint was easy cept i hate bioapi |
| 18:01.31 | nick125 | bzflag is so slow on my lappy |
| 18:01.34 | nick125 | ooh... |
| 18:01.36 | xbmodder_ppc | so if i ever get into writing drivers (learn c) i will fix the fingerprints |
| 18:01.42 | nick125 | it changed to xorg-x11 opengl |
| 18:01.47 | xbmodder_ppc | i need usbsnoop for linux |
| 18:01.56 | nick125 | wtf |
| 18:01.59 | nick125 | its still using mesa |
| 18:02.20 | xbmodder_ppc | nick it does for me i had to disable mesa |
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| 18:02.40 | nick125 | wewt |
| 18:02.44 | nick125 | bzflag 2.0.8 is in portage |
| 18:03.12 | nick125 | >>> Emerging (1 of 1) games-action/bzflag-2.0.8 to / |
| 18:04.07 | nick125 | xbmodder_ppc: maybe its compiling against mesa |
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| 18:18.57 | findlay | hopefully they've fixed the AMD64 lagging |
| 18:26.45 | [Utah]tristanbob | mheath: I saw your posts about creating a database of open source applications |
| 18:26.56 | mheath | yeah? |
| 18:28.02 | [Utah]tristanbob | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoopList |
| 18:28.09 | [Utah]tristanbob | have you seen that site? |
| 18:29.19 | mheath | It's not just for windows. |
| 18:29.32 | [Utah]tristanbob | true - but the info is still useful |
| 18:30.14 | [Utah]tristanbob | at the bottom of that page are links to similar lists |
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| 18:30.59 | mheath | yeah, I'll keep that in mind...hmmm. |
| 18:31.31 | mheath | tristanbob, did you like my idea? |
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| 18:45.38 | herlo | [Utah]tristanbob: check out http://www.softwarefor.org, tis similar to the LoopList, and is run in Utah... |
| 18:46.08 | [Utah]tristanbob | herlo: yup! I have a link to that project on the LoopList |
| 18:46.15 | herlo | kewl |
| 18:47.00 | mheath | tristanbob, is that a no? |
| 18:47.00 | [Utah]tristanbob | LoopList is simply a collaborative list of applications - softwarefor.org is a compilation CD with many of those applications |
| 18:47.19 | [Utah]tristanbob | mheath: sorry, didn't see your question |
| 18:47.24 | mheath | tristanbob, did you like my idea? |
| 18:47.43 | [Utah]tristanbob | I like the concept - I have seen any details |
| 18:47.47 | [Utah]tristanbob | haven't |
| 18:48.30 | [Utah]tristanbob | I wonder if there are legal concerns to list a commercial name |
| 18:49.37 | mheath | [Utah]tristanbob, no, since it'd list comparable free apps |
| 18:49.58 | mheath | Kinda like commercials for one product vs. another. "It outperforms ________ by miles!" |
| 18:50.14 | mheath | You're allowed to list trademarked names for comparison and analysis purposes. |
| 18:51.46 | [Utah]tristanbob | I see, that is good |
| 18:52.10 | [Utah]tristanbob | I think it would be useful - that is why I created the loop list |
| 18:52.44 | mheath | I'm proposing creating a comprohensive online database (users can contribute through a website) of software comparison and compatability information |
| 18:52.53 | mheath | This information would be exported in XML form |
| 18:53.19 | mheath | Then, a client app would read the XML data, and allow a user to search for compatible apps, and automatically install them for their particular distro. |
| 18:53.24 | [Utah]tristanbob | how about "Find A Replacement Software Tool" or FARST! |
| 18:54.22 | [Utah]tristanbob | s/Software// |
| 18:55.37 | [Utah]tristanbob | mheath: actually I really like the sound of that |
| 18:55.55 | [Utah]tristanbob | the collaboration is very good, so that the database can be maintained by the community |
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| 19:26.45 | goozbach | herlo: what did you end up paying for the new laptop? |
| 19:27.25 | herlo | 2790 incl tax |
| 19:27.41 | herlo | I should add that to my blog, shouldn't I |
| 19:33.06 | goozbach | herlo: and is that with the extended warranty? |
| 19:33.39 | sjansen | and theft coverage? |
| 19:34.22 | sjansen | Not, you know, that you have to worry about any of your co-workers hitting you over the head and running off with it... |
| 19:34.54 | tene | nope, I'm not his co-worker. |
| 19:34.56 | goozbach | or former employees scamming to have you run off the road on your way home tonight to get at it... |
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| 20:09.44 | findlay | looks like I learned the hard way not to do a ^D in the shell while anaconda is installing |
| 20:10.58 | goozbach | heh |
| 20:11.14 | findlay | because it doesn't respawn ): |
| 20:12.08 | findlay | sjansen: did you know that teTeX has ended? |
| 20:13.02 | findlay | I'm hoping this means that TeX becomes more modular like with CPAN |
| 20:13.56 | findlay | at least since modular is the buzzword de jour |
| 20:24.46 | findlay | winders b0xen canbe so funny sometimes |
| 20:24.56 | nick125_lappy | yeah :P |
| 20:24.57 | findlay | s// / |
| 20:32.59 | herlo | goozbach: no extended warranty, just the 3yrs, but I can get more at anytime during the original warranty period. So maybe when I buy my extra battery, I'll do that.... |
| 20:33.20 | herlo | sjansen: I am getting a lock just for you.... |
| 20:39.30 | lars-ut | The backspace key and the printscreen key make a right angle - inside that angle is where the insert key should be located. |
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| 20:54.46 | bonez39 | what's the correct way to clean a palm device..the contacts.. |
| 20:54.57 | tene | bonez39: blowtorch. |
| 20:55.47 | herlo | Looking for a motorcycle: This is not it!! http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mcy/169848535.html |
| 20:55.55 | mrpull- | bonez39: eraser? |
| 20:56.17 | herlo | lars-ut: like this one? http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=318471&pfp=BROWSE |
| 20:57.20 | herlo | lars-ut: better pic: http://www.mitsumi.com/images/KFK-EA4XP.gif |
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| 21:00.13 | scottj | so if you guys were getting a new system at work from dell, what would you get? As in, mostly, bells and whistles.. anything other than bluetooth keyboard/mouse and a widescreen? |
| 21:00.38 | mrpull- | notebook? |
| 21:00.42 | mrpull- | workstation? |
| 21:01.05 | herlo | DVD-R |
| 21:01.09 | herlo | DVD+R too |
| 21:01.11 | findlay | wow, yum is much faster in FC5 |
| 21:01.18 | herlo | findlay: yes it is |
| 21:01.28 | herlo | I still think its slow though... |
| 21:01.41 | findlay | not quite as fast as apt |
| 21:02.34 | herlo | right, the main difference appears to be in the fact that apt will cache details more often than yum, where it seems they must still check to see if there are items not in the cache each time... |
| 21:02.38 | mrpull- | scottj: do you have a budget? |
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| 21:11.48 | scottj | mrpull, ~1500, but I figure with some good dell coupons that should get me a 2000 system |
| 21:12.02 | macnewbold | scottj: 35% off right now on anything over $999 |
| 21:12.26 | mrpull- | scottj: it may be worth holding off 30-60 days for the Core 2 Duo to ship |
| 21:12.33 | scottj | macnewbold: small business? |
| 21:12.51 | macnewbold | I like the 19" LCD monitor, and I'd get a nice set of speakers w/subwoofer, dual core processor, 1-2GB RAM, and a nice sized hard drive |
| 21:13.00 | macnewbold | I usually buy the home/homeoffice stuff |
| 21:13.06 | macnewbold | not sure if the coupon works for small biz |
| 21:13.22 | scottj | link to coupon? |
| 21:13.24 | macnewbold | if it is for work, get the media center w/remote control and fm/tv tuner |
| 21:13.40 | macnewbold | I got one in the mail, but they were advertising it on the site too without coupon last I checked |
| 21:13.51 | macnewbold | if you need it, I can read you the coupon code before my wife tosses it |
| 21:14.02 | macnewbold | also google dell coupons, they're all posted |
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| 21:14.55 | scottj | dell has so many different models of desktops |
| 21:15.16 | macnewbold | yeah, the xps are nice, but I usually go with the lower end and just beef up certain pieces |
| 21:15.24 | macnewbold | like ram |
| 21:15.34 | Hhhhhh | hello |
| 21:15.41 | macnewbold | the small business prices seem much higher than the home/office |
| 21:15.50 | macnewbold | Hhhhhh: hi |
| 21:16.25 | scottj | sure it wasn't $350 off 999 or more? |
| 21:17.03 | lars-ut | herlo: http://www.mitsumi.com/images/KFK-EA4XP.gif is an axample of the 108 ky keyboard |
| 21:17.06 | Hhhhhh | question: I have an old IBM Thinkpad 770X laptop, PII 300 Mhz, 256MB RAM, about 8GB HDD, and I want a package-based (RPM or .deb) distro that will run smooth. So far, Win2k is too slow. Any suggestions? |
| 21:17.53 | Hhhhhh | I'd prefer a widely used distro, not one that not a lot of people use |
| 21:20.59 | Kuyaedz | Maybe xubuntu? |
| 21:21.14 | Kuyaedz | I use it on a PIII 500, 292M, 10G and it seems to run pretty smoothly |
| 21:21.27 | lars-ut | herlo: example of non-abomination keyboard: KeyTronic E03600QLPS2B-C Black PS/2 http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/23-131-117-04.JPG |
| 21:22.03 | herlo | lars-ut: that's my preferred model as well.... |
| 21:22.21 | Hhhhhh | what's the default WM in xubuntu? |
| 21:22.29 | Kuyaedz | Hhhhhh: Xfce |
| 21:22.32 | Hhhhhh | ok |
| 21:22.44 | Kuyaedz | its not bad really.. stability of ubuntu, Xfce GUI |
| 21:22.56 | tene | does the *buntu fad annoy anyone else? |
| 21:23.07 | lars-ut | herlo: another example of non-abomination keyboard: LITE-ON SK-1788/BS 2-Tone PS/2 http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/23-107-120-04.jpg |
| 21:23.31 | herlo | lars-ut: I like that one even better |
| 21:23.34 | herlo | it's perty |
| 21:23.41 | lars-ut | $5.25 |
| 21:23.45 | herlo | really? |
| 21:23.46 | herlo | wow |
| 21:23.50 | lars-ut | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823107120 |
| 21:23.52 | herlo | but its not wireless |
| 21:23.59 | Kuyaedz | lars-ut: when I went keyboard shopping the closest non-abomination I could find still came with a sleep & hibernate button. I had to pop those out & have two empty slots in my keyboard |
| 21:24.09 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:24.28 | mrpull- | lars-ut: i've got a couple ibm model-m keyboards that I rescued from being put in a dumpster |
| 21:24.38 | tene | http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/23-201-015-01.JPG |
| 21:24.45 | mrpull- | lars-ut: nothing beats a loud clackity keyboard without a windows key |
| 21:24.52 | tene | I've been enjoying this keyboard quite a bit |
| 21:24.56 | herlo | tene: ugg |
| 21:25.03 | tene | no good? |
| 21:25.19 | lars-ut | mrpull- : I do a lot with Windows still.... |
| 21:25.23 | mrpull- | tene: eeek... i need ths page up / page down keys |
| 21:25.28 | herlo | you can't have the specialty keys anywhere but along the top or off to one side, but that's my opinion |
| 21:25.46 | tene | mrpull-: they're on there |
| 21:25.48 | mrpull- | lars-ut: ctrl-esc brings up the start menu too :) |
| 21:26.01 | tene | herlo: specialty keys? |
| 21:26.01 | Kuyaedz | I'd even prefer this keyboard didn't have the M$ key. |
| 21:26.02 | mrpull- | tene: in the wrong place |
| 21:26.04 | herlo | mrpull-: I got my T60 because it had a windows key, and I use Linux exclusively (well almost) |
| 21:26.07 | lars-ut | but you can't do winkey+pause with Ctrl-Esc |
| 21:26.13 | herlo | tene: F1, PGUP, etc |
| 21:26.21 | mrpull- | the T60 has a killer keyboard |
| 21:26.49 | mrpull- | i'm not a windows key hater at all. i just like the mechanical keys of the old keyboards |
| 21:26.54 | tene | herlo: they're along the top and off to the side on that keyboard... or were you not referring to that one with that statement? |
| 21:27.05 | lars-ut | mrpull-: the clackiness? |
| 21:27.07 | macnewbold | $5.25 for one? and how much to get it here? ;) |
| 21:27.09 | Kuyaedz | my keyboard now has 4 empty spots after removing the win keys |
| 21:27.12 | herlo | tene: they're all bunched up |
| 21:27.13 | mrpull- | love the clackiness |
| 21:27.20 | macnewbold | the clacking is great |
| 21:27.30 | macnewbold | mine clicks on down and up, so it sounds like I'm typing twice as fast |
| 21:28.03 | macnewbold | but you have to be careful... my wife gets annoyed when she knows I'm typing while she's talking to me on the phoen |
| 21:28.04 | tene | this keyboard clicks lightly... I'm not certain exactly what the mechanism is. |
| 21:28.20 | macnewbold | plastic on plastic as the spring raises it up, probably :) |
| 21:28.20 | herlo | tene: the keyboard |
| 21:28.28 | mrpull- | lars-ut: I did a couple years back... and ended up bringing home 2 or 3 more than I started with |
| 21:29.17 | lars-ut | I figure you fast typists know a lot more than I re: kbs so I'll concede to your supperior judgements & tryone out |
| 21:29.19 | mrpull- | i've got some other family obligations on the day of the BBQ, but I might round up a box of old gear to drop off |
| 21:29.33 | lars-ut | that'd be great |
| 21:30.33 | tene | I'd like to get something with a bit less of a straight block layout... seems like it would be easier on my hands |
| 21:30.35 | tene | I was fine for years up until I started working at the tax comission doing data entry on a trashy keyboard |
| 21:30.44 | tene | sometimes I had to slam on the keys to get them to go down |
| 21:31.32 | lars-ut | Microsoft Natural 4000 Black Wired Keyboard - Retail at Newegg.com |
| 21:31.32 | lars-ut | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823109148 |
| 21:31.37 | tene | wrist pain has been on and off ever since |
| 21:31.43 | lars-ut | tene: ouch! |
| 21:32.05 | mrpull- | herlo: but what if you cant keep your thoughts clean at work? |
| 21:32.11 | herlo | I can't |
| 21:32.14 | herlo | so what |
| 21:32.24 | lars-ut | tene: I still use a trackball explorer as my primary pointing device to avoid repetitive strain |
| 21:32.27 | herlo | then my coworkers get the wrath of my dirty mind |
| 21:32.39 | tene | I get numbness and tingling every once in a while, but it goes away when I shift position |
| 21:32.54 | Hhhhhh | so what do you say, xubuntu in my old PII lappy? |
| 21:32.58 | tene | lars-ut: I've always avoided using pointing devices whenever possible/convenient |
| 21:33.02 | lars-ut | http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/trackball_explorer/ |
| 21:33.03 | bonez39 | tene, I'd like to be able to USE the palm m505 AFTER I clean the contacts....for other than just to throw at someone... |
| 21:33.05 | brac | [3DSpotlight | Microsoft Trackball Explorer review] |
| 21:33.19 | lars-ut | brac - you piece of crap! you did it! |
| 21:33.31 | mheath | Time for work :( |
| 21:33.32 | mheath | Bye.. |
| 21:33.35 | tene | seeya |
| 21:34.15 | tene | my pain comes from using the keyboard too much, the majority of the time |
| 21:34.24 | tene | that is to say, using it incorrectly too much |
| 21:34.59 | lars-ut | that new MS Natural 4000 looks very easy on the ergonomics, and it has the insert key in the correct location |
| 21:35.27 | findlay | but how much does it cost??? |
| 21:35.35 | findlay | s/??// |
| 21:35.40 | lars-ut | $50 |
| 21:36.05 | lars-ut | And I'll likely buy it out of my own pocket |
| 21:36.29 | lars-ut | but I'll grab the Lite-on & one of the IBMs from mrpull first |
| 21:36.46 | tene | I'm pretty sure that the problem is actually in my shoulder, but I'm just feeling it in my arms/hands |
| 21:37.35 | tene | I'll see if my chiropractor uncle notices that anything's wrong when he gives me an adjustment in exchange for working on the computers at his office. |
| 21:41.41 | scottj | I like this look of this keyboard http://www.fentek-ind.com/minkblr2.jpg since I never ever ever use the keypad..but the location of the insert and delete, and arrow key formation is not very good |
| 21:51.26 | bonez39 | tene, your uncle is fortunate to have you |
| 21:51.39 | tene | bonez39: ? |
| 21:51.57 | bonez39 | tene, your uncle..the chiro... |
| 21:52.22 | tene | bonez39: yeah, but how is he fortunate to have me? |
| 21:52.36 | bonez39 | well, to have you keep his computers..his network running well.... |
| 21:52.43 | bonez39 | didn't you say you trade him that way.....? |
| 21:53.00 | macnewbold | trades can be nice that way |
| 21:53.14 | tene | Well, the last time I was out there to do it was about nine months ago by accident when my car exploded in Orem. |
| 21:53.15 | macnewbold | too bad bonez39 does all his own linux/computer stuff... :) |
| 21:53.25 | findlay | my dad does that all the time with his piano tuning |
| 21:53.41 | tene | I don't do it often. |
| 21:53.59 | bonez39 | macnewbold, I don't necessarily get it all done...like right now, I can't get my palm m505 to sync without hosing my system... |
| 21:54.15 | macnewbold | don't look at me |
| 21:54.16 | tene | bonez39: I told you, blowtorch. |
| 21:54.19 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 21:54.22 | bonez39 | macnewbold, I'd be happy to trade my time and services...if someone could help.. |
| 21:54.54 | bonez39 | tene, blowtorch? but are you serious? how long? 1 ms, just enough to clean the contacts, without melting the housing and frying the components? |
| 21:54.59 | macnewbold | I might be considering getting rid of my palm T3, if there's someone that wanted to buy/trade it from me |
| 21:55.03 | tene | bonez39: not serious |
| 21:55.11 | macnewbold | whew, that was close |
| 21:55.17 | bonez39 | I need a new treo 700.... |
| 21:55.25 | mrpull- | bonez39: i was serious about the pencil eraser |
| 21:55.32 | Kuyaedz | speaking of pda.. any good *nix apps to sync an iPAQ? |
| 21:55.49 | bonez39 | mrpull, ok, I hit them all with a small eraser.... |
| 21:56.01 | bonez39 | and the blew out the crumbs....to clear them.. |
| 21:56.49 | bonez39 | I run this 'ln -s /dev/ttyUSB1' and then I attempt 'chmod 666 /dev/ttyUSB1' and it tells me that the symlink I just did doesn't exist..... |
| 21:57.51 | bonez39 | ls -al pilot shows this > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2006-06-09 15:52 pilot -> /dev/ttyUSB1 yet.... ls ttyUSB1 gives this... > scott@fyrenice:/dev$ ls ttyUSB1 |
| 21:57.51 | bonez39 | ls: ttyUSB1: No such file or directory |
| 21:59.15 | lars-ut | doesn't sound classical right now - but it's nice & mellow |
| 21:59.25 | lars-ut | just what I need to hear |
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| 22:01.18 | bonez39 | lars-ut, is that link, something I could load in xmms to listen? |
| 22:03.03 | lars-ut | bonez39: yes |
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| 22:04.20 | bonez39 | I cut and paste it to an URL line, but it won't load it.... |
| 22:04.25 | bonez39 | in xmms |
| 22:05.15 | bonez39 | strange..nothing is working for me today |
| 22:07.04 | findlay | wow, yum likes to use a lot of memory |
| 22:09.25 | tene | findlay: ever try to cancel a yum action with ctrl+c? |
| 22:09.48 | findlay | I don't ever do that lightly |
| 22:09.50 | nick125_lappy | tene: let me guess, it doesnt work? |
| 22:10.16 | findlay | yum's gotten better handling an interrupt though |
| 22:10.19 | lars-ut | bonez39: press Control-L to open a location and then paste in the URL. |
| 22:10.19 | tene | nick125_lappy: if you try it while it's downloading something, it just cancels the download so yum retries |
| 22:10.47 | findlay | you have to hold it down so that python will seg fault or something |
| 22:10.52 | findlay | then it really stops |
| 22:12.47 | bonez39 | lars-ut, I copy the link..and paste in .. but it won't show in the playlist.... |
| 22:13.57 | bonez39 | lars-ut, I do ctrl-L and paste it there, and then both Ok and Enqueue and neither makes it play... |
| 22:14.20 | tene | what's the link? |
| 22:14.29 | bonez39 | http://www.sky.fm/mp3/guitar.pls |
| 22:14.34 | bonez39 | that's what I paste in..... |
| 22:14.52 | lars-ut | bonez39: try saving the .pls file to disk & then playing it in xmms |
| 22:14.57 | bonez39 | ok... |
| 22:15.09 | scottj | it gets loaded into itunes for me but doesn't play. |
| 22:15.16 | tene | hmm |
| 22:15.24 | tene | if I wget it and xmms guitar.pls it works fine |
| 22:15.35 | Kuyaedz | catchy |
| 22:15.45 | tene | I think that xmms will only load single streams from that dialog |
| 22:15.53 | tene | not playlists of streams |
| 22:15.55 | bonez39 | lars-ut, sorry to sound lame..what's best way to save that link/file to disc? |
| 22:15.59 | Kuyaedz | I like latin guitar |
| 22:16.09 | tene | wget http://www.sky.fm/mp3/guitar.pls |
| 22:16.10 | findlay | wget? |
| 22:16.14 | lars-ut | bonez39: yep |
| 22:16.23 | bonez39 | thanks |
| 22:16.33 | tene | np |
| 22:17.40 | lars-ut | Trojan.Downloader.Dyfuca.BQ |
| 22:17.54 | bonez39 | lars-ut, tene that was the trick.... |
| 22:17.58 | lars-ut | methinks Grisoft AVG Free to the rescue |
| 22:17.59 | bonez39 | sounds awesome....... |
| 22:18.05 | lars-ut | glad you like it |
| 22:18.09 | bonez39 | nothing like latin guitar...... |
| 22:18.28 | lars-ut | reminds me of Heitor Perreira's Nyah from MI:2 Flamenco Scene |
| 22:19.52 | lars-ut | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004TRSU/102-6837028-4152127 |
| 22:22.22 | lars-ut | bonez39: If you like this music style you should try Gipsy Kings http://music.allofmp3.com/preview.shtml?group=1056&album=10&song=4&albref=&rnd=307448 |
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| 22:24.53 | brac | [AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition - Reviews and free downloads at Download.com] |
| 22:25.28 | bonez39 | lars-ut, thanks.... |
| 22:25.36 | lars-ut | np |
| 22:27.09 | lars-ut | bonez39: 2 good pages for playlists - http://di.fm/ & http://soma.fm/ |
| 22:27.13 | brac | [Digitally Imported Internet Radio] |
| 22:30.06 | bonez39 | wow...it's been a while since I listened to really good acoustic guitar |
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| 22:52.03 | findlay | looks like the rain's passed us by |
| 23:08.09 | findlay | ~love Beethoven's 4th |
| 23:08.10 | ibot | If you love Beethoven's 4th so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
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| 23:14.14 | elg | can anyone here send a test fax for me? |
| 23:14.47 | elg | fax something, anything, to 206-350-4555 |
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| 23:21.42 | bonez39 | elgI'll send one |
| 23:21.49 | bonez39 | still need a test? |
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