| 00:03.01 | macnewbold | hm... |
| 00:03.12 | macnewbold | ipod with decent speakers? |
| 00:03.24 | macnewbold | oh, wait, plays from the CD directly? |
| 00:03.28 | macnewbold | nevermind |
| 00:03.35 | lars-ut | needs to play CDs & cassettes |
| 00:03.43 | lars-ut | yes, we still have some of those |
| 00:03.57 | lars-ut | no, I won't bother to transfer them to digital |
| 00:04.15 | lars-ut | I've done that once - it was not pleasant |
| 00:09.58 | macnewbold | yeah, tapes to digital is awful |
| 00:10.18 | macnewbold | but I might not feel guilty about downloading MP3's to a cassette I own |
| 00:11.33 | findlay | lars-ut: if you have a high quality component cassete reader it's actually pretty good |
| 00:12.43 | findlay | dpending on the quality of the tape itself |
| 00:14.39 | Tene | I love per. :) |
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| 01:20.39 | tensai | ~rm maquis |
| 01:20.41 | ibot | maquis is an unperson |
| 01:21.39 | tensai | levi: any luck with the dsl? |
| 01:22.00 | levi | tensai: I haven't called or anything lately. |
| 01:22.09 | levi | And I haven't been watching it closely. |
| 01:22.34 | levi | Apparently it hasn't gone down in the last day, though. |
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| 01:55.14 | xbmodder_lappy | PING |
| 01:56.08 | Kuyaedz | 64 bytes from #utah: icmp_seq=2 ttl=242 time=75.5 ms |
| 01:57.03 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet |
| 01:57.08 | xbmodder_lappy | google? |
| 01:57.48 | Kuyaedz | yeah :) |
| 02:07.43 | spr | ~steal Kuyaedz's laser printer |
| 02:07.44 | ibot | ACTION grabs Kuyaedz's laser printer and gives it to spr |
| 02:08.29 | emcnabb | is it a Brother printer? :-) |
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| 02:12.01 | Kuyaedz | yeah |
| 02:13.02 | xbmodder_lappy | I need faster internet |
| 02:17.32 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/funny/printer/index.shtml |
| 02:18.04 | Kuyaedz | emcnabb: wow |
| 02:18.22 | Kuyaedz | not the pooh bear! |
| 02:18.43 | emcnabb | haha |
| 02:18.44 | xbmodder_lappy | I Hate Adobe! |
| 02:19.22 | Kuyaedz | I hope this isn't the case with this printer |
| 02:21.19 | emcnabb | I know that model was horrible, but I'm sure not all are |
| 02:25.59 | emcnabb | I know that model was horrible, but I'm sure not all are |
| 02:26.13 | Kuyaedz | I'm sure this is a long shot, but does anyone have an AMD cpu that might need a good home? :) |
| 02:26.28 | jsmith | Kuyaedz: What speed of proc? |
| 02:27.01 | Kuyaedz | I think my board supports 1400+ |
| 02:27.24 | Kuyaedz | thats what was in it anyway... until I fried it |
| 02:28.30 | Kuyaedz | I've got a case, motherboard, memory, video card, etc.. just no cpu |
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| 02:29.04 | jsmith | Kuyaedz: I've got a CPU and mobo... I think it's a 2200+ or maybe a 2400+... can't remember for sure. |
| 02:30.14 | Kuyaedz | I thought about taking one of the 1800 from my SMP, but I do like the speed of the dual 1800 machine |
| 02:50.22 | tristanbob | any ideas on which CMS would work well for a church website? |
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| 02:57.38 | spr | if (lds) { why not just use the church's provided system? } |
| 02:57.45 | tristanbob | else |
| 02:58.14 | spr | Ah. |
| 02:58.42 | tristanbob | how about a recommendation on designing a CMS template, and perhaps also hosting |
| 02:59.34 | spr | I'm running a linode for my website (http://www.linode.com). Root control over the system is always nice IMO. |
| 03:00.00 | spr | I haven't done a lot with CMS setups though. |
| 03:01.42 | tristanbob | I have only dabbled with them |
| 03:01.53 | tristanbob | I like the looks of Drupal |
| 03:02.03 | goozbach | any perl/tk gurus awake? |
| 03:02.05 | tristanbob | I want a popular one with a good selection of modules |
| 03:02.17 | goozbach | how do I get the name of a clicked button? |
| 03:02.32 | goozbach | there doesn't seem to be any word in the documentation abt it |
| 03:03.41 | spr | tristanbob, I've heard good things about drupal. |
| 03:05.15 | tristanbob | how about joomla? |
| 03:05.27 | tristanbob | any other favorite CMS? |
| 03:05.58 | tristanbob | I want to be able to post audio files of the sermons (podcast?) |
| 03:07.33 | tristanbob | I wish I had someone to discuss this with :( |
| 03:08.11 | spr | I wish I could help, but this is out of my experience. :( Sounds like you've got some nice plans though. |
| 03:08.21 | tristanbob | typo3 also looks nice |
| 03:08.36 | tristanbob | spr: thanks for your input :) I appreciate it |
| 03:13.01 | goozbach | tristanbob: I've got a beta Xen based hosting solution right now. |
| 03:13.10 | goozbach | I could maybe cut you a deal |
| 03:13.30 | tristanbob | I'm actually looking for a hosted CMS install |
| 03:14.02 | tristanbob | where the host manages the CMS installation and upgrades |
| 03:14.03 | goozbach | well, it's your box, you could put basicly whatever you wanted there |
| 03:14.35 | goozbach | we're looking into branching out into that stuff, not for the imediate future however |
| 03:14.37 | tristanbob | true - but I'd rather have less work ;) |
| 03:14.42 | tristanbob | what is your website? |
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| 03:32.15 | goozbach | neverblock.com |
| 03:32.37 | goozbach | we're looking for a designer who wants to trade services for services |
| 03:47.35 | xbmodder_lappy | hey goozbach |
| 03:47.42 | xbmodder_lappy | your in the business too.... |
| 03:59.01 | findlay | this port scan is taking forever |
| 04:01.57 | xbmodder_lappy | .... |
| 04:02.00 | xbmodder_lappy | on who? |
| 04:03.14 | tensai | nmap -T Insane |
| 04:03.32 | tensai | or try scanrand. extremely fast, but not 100% accurate |
| 04:03.44 | tensai | it's part of paketto keiretsu |
| 04:04.16 | findlay | I'm doing -T4 |
| 04:04.58 | findlay | there's this kid on my roomates computer and I was toying with the idea of DDoS-ing it so he would go home |
| 04:05.14 | findlay | but alas, I don't have any idea how to do that |
| 04:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw in -sS |
| 04:06.54 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, over a switch? |
| 04:07.21 | findlay | yeah |
| 04:07.28 | xbmodder_lappy | dang |
| 04:07.42 | findlay | OS details: Linux 2.6.5 - 2.6.11 |
| 04:07.51 | findlay | scanned in 873.372 seconds |
| 04:08.34 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, you just wanna drop internet, right? |
| 04:08.36 | findlay | that's weird, it was sending me back ping packets for it looks like every port scanned |
| 04:10.49 | findlay | looks like ssh is open |
| 04:10.55 | findlay | so I can ssh in |
| 04:11.04 | findlay | hmm, what can I do ... |
| 04:11.08 | findlay | ;) |
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| 04:15.13 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, :-| |
| 04:15.16 | xbmodder_lappy | thats mean |
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| 04:16.22 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: yes |
| 04:16.27 | scottj | woohoo, I've been waiting for Google to come out with a spreadsheet site |
| 04:16.43 | findlay | after all all this guy does is browse dating sites |
| 04:17.03 | findlay | even if he does come over and spend hours doing it |
| 04:17.14 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, screw up the gateway and redirect him to a -- dirtier site... |
| 04:17.28 | findlay | oh sure |
| 04:18.06 | QBFreak | true or match1 or wherever those ads I keep blocking are coming from |
| 04:18.21 | findlay | perhaps you would reccommend one |
| 04:18.39 | QBFreak | I've never tried any dating services, much less a dirtier one :p |
| 04:18.58 | findlay | just kidding! I'm just *kidding*! no pr0n s1t3z on #utah |
| 04:19.08 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 04:19.09 | findlay | please, my eyes |
| 04:19.17 | findlay | even the URLs are filthy |
| 04:19.26 | xbmodder_lappy | thisverydirysite.com |
| 04:19.46 | findlay | ow *scream* ouch |
| 04:20.53 | findlay | the human body is so grotesque or worse. One can only imagine how they filthify it |
| 04:24.16 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
| 04:28.41 | xbmodder_lappy | hahah: http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/content/pcvsmac1.wmv (throws an f-bomb) |
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| 04:35.48 | mheath | Wow O.o |
| 04:36.31 | xbmodder_lappy | what |
| 04:36.31 | mheath | A girl I dated very briefly before she decided to go back to her boyfriend..msged me on MySpace.... |
| 04:36.46 | xbmodder_lappy | you use myspace |
| 04:36.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ~myspace |
| 04:37.03 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, myspace is the root of all evil |
| 04:37.05 | ibot | xbmodder_lappy: okay |
| 04:37.05 | mheath | Not a big thing, but we saw each other almost every day after the breakup, and we _never_ said anything to each oher. |
| 04:37.10 | xbmodder_lappy | ~myspace |
| 04:37.11 | ibot | from memory, myspace is the root of all evil |
| 04:37.32 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, what did she so, just hi, how are you? |
| 04:37.37 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, I have a lot of friends around the country who I keep track of via it. I don't use it a lot. |
| 04:38.50 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 04:38.51 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 04:39.46 | mheath | She changed her profile to list herself as single, again...and she removed all pics and references to that 'other' guy |
| 04:40.31 | mheath | (I dated her briefly while she was having a lot of doubts about her relationship with this other guy....mainly because he ended up in foster care up in Logan and she never saw him, and hadn't really talked to him in months) |
| 04:41.32 | xbmodder_lappy | I am sorry about you guys breaking up. |
| 04:46.07 | findlay | yeah me too. I wish there was something I could do about it |
| 04:46.07 | levi | If someone's young enough to end up in foster care, they're probably a bit young for a serious relationship anyway. |
| 04:46.30 | levi | findlay: You could listen to music. |
| 04:46.43 | findlay | levi: that's true |
| 04:47.03 | levi | findlay: You could watch the rest of 'Come to Daddy' |
| 04:47.18 | findlay | levi: I already saw it |
| 04:49.03 | levi | You could watch it again, or show it to some impressionable children. |
| 04:49.16 | findlay | sure |
| 04:49.18 | findlay | (: |
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| 05:10.40 | mheath | Is it wrong for me to sympathize for a girl's personal problems? =\ |
| 05:11.23 | mheath | I ended up helping a lady at work with a lot of her work tonight - she met a huge hitch with her boyfriend-and-father-of-her-child of many years over a phonecall during her break today, and spent about an hour crying.... |
| 05:11.41 | maquis | mheath: sympathizing is not a bad thing |
| 05:11.44 | mheath | I felt really bad for her, helped her do a lot of her closing work so she could get home early |
| 05:12.10 | mheath | One of the other employees (though I think it was just because she has a personal dislike for her) chewed me out for 'doing her work for her' |
| 05:13.13 | mheath | "Next time I cry, will you do all my work for ME?" , etc. |
| 05:13.15 | maquis | mheath: there's nothing wrong with helping someone who needs it |
| 05:13.25 | maquis | i think it's good that you helped her |
| 05:13.33 | maquis | and i think the other guy is a jerk |
| 05:14.19 | mheath | She gave me a hug though ^_^ nice to know it was appreciated... |
| 05:14.26 | maquis | :) |
| 05:15.49 | mheath | Heh, women.........It seems like my interactions with them are a huge source of my stress, yet they're the one thing I can never get out of my mind :) |
| 05:15.57 | maquis | lol |
| 05:16.21 | mheath | maquis, is it bad to just be with soemone when they're crying like that? |
| 05:16.32 | maquis | mheath: no... it's fine... |
| 05:16.40 | maquis | it'll let them know that someone cares, and that means a lot |
| 05:17.06 | mheath | I couldn't think of anything to say, yet it felt like I should be there to comfort her...somehow. |
| 05:17.17 | mheath | Our manager frustrated me. |
| 05:17.43 | mheath | She told her "I have personal issues too, but this is work, so you need to pull together and get to work." |
| 05:17.59 | findlay | maquis: where have you been? |
| 05:18.00 | mheath | Not something I think is appropriate to say to someone who's been crying for the last half hour. |
| 05:18.05 | findlay | picking daisies I imagine |
| 05:18.20 | nick125 | damnit |
| 05:18.29 | mheath | Nor is: "You need to go to the back of the restraunt. You're making our customers uncomfortable." (there was 2 people in the restraunt, on the other side) |
| 05:18.49 | nick125 | I feel stupid atm..I can't remember if creating partitions with fdisk will wipe the disk or not (partitioning the unpartitioned space) |
| 05:19.04 | maquis | mheath: ick... |
| 05:19.09 | findlay | nick125: don't think so |
| 05:19.13 | maquis | findlay: well.. i've been pretty busy... |
| 05:19.14 | findlay | but I'm not sure |
| 05:22.21 | mheath | I'm going to be up in Seatle next month... |
| 05:22.30 | maquis | mheath: cool |
| 05:22.31 | maquis | what part? |
| 05:23.59 | mheath | The tip of the peninsula. Near there at least. I think thats near seatlle, at least? |
| 05:24.13 | mheath | Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor. Going to be up there for a week. |
| 05:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, it will not |
| 05:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, I have a friend who found an older HD with no partitions |
| 05:24.48 | ScytheBlade1 | He had gentoo installed on it before |
| 05:25.00 | ScytheBlade1 | He came back 10 minutes later saying, "best. gentoo. install. ever." |
| 05:25.11 | ScytheBlade1 | He just recreated an identical partition table and bam, existing OS was running |
| 05:25.27 | mheath | "U.S. Ambassador John Bolton called Tuesday's speech by Deputy Secretary-General Mark Malloch Brown a "very, very grave mistake" that could undermind Secretary-General Kofi Annan's efforts to push through an ambitious reform agenda at the world organization." |
| 05:25.49 | mheath | Thats like: "Moooommmmmm! He called me mean names! I don't want to play with him any more!" |
| 05:25.58 | nick125 | ScytheBlade1: nice.. |
| 05:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, took about 10 minutes to completly install gentoo ;) |
| 05:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, all factors considered ;) |
| 05:26.23 | nick125 | haha |
| 05:26.40 | findlay | how hard do you think it is to remove 200 lines in ksirtet? |
| 05:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no clue what that is |
| 05:27.13 | findlay | is it cheating if your AI plays for you? |
| 05:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:27.19 | nick125 | no :D |
| 05:27.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Not if it plays well ;D |
| 05:27.34 | findlay | how about ad infinitum? |
| 05:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Even better |
| 05:28.40 | findlay | most I ever got was 170-something |
| 05:30.48 | nick125 | 4 dvds is large for system recovery, right? |
| 05:36.42 | findlay | sweet, 183 lines |
| 05:38.00 | mheath | nick125, thats about how many this laptop wanted |
| 05:38.59 | mheath | That was to create a backup of a cruft-filled installation of Windows, though |
| 05:39.31 | mheath | Heh, today at work I was working on my laptop during my break |
| 05:39.59 | mheath | Another employee looked over my shoulder at me working on a project in Eclipse and said "Your a hacker, aren't you?" |
| 05:40.04 | nick125 | LOL |
| 05:42.53 | findlay | the fun thing about tetris is that it can fit inside your head, meaning you can play it mentally |
| 05:43.34 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, thats like 20 gigs |
| 05:43.36 | maquis | mheath: the tip of the peninsula is somewhat close to seattle in straight-line distance... driving is a different story... if you're lucky, a ferry can make it nice and close, but ferries get busy :) |
| 05:44.09 | findlay | or you could swim the sound |
| 05:44.51 | maquis | findlay: you go first... i'll follow........ |
| 05:46.32 | findlay | I hope Linus forks the kernel soon |
| 05:47.02 | findlay | 2.6 seems to be getting gradually unstable |
| 05:48.39 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, heh |
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| 06:02.02 | findlay | the day changed. What does that mean? I don't remember |
| 06:02.41 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:06.22 | mheath | Hmm. Whats a good way to secure files in Windows XP? |
| 06:06.41 | findlay | haha |
| 06:06.59 | nick125 | take the HD out and burn it? it would be really secure then :) |
| 06:07.08 | mheath | I'm letting my sister use this laptop, and I'm going to give administrator access to isntall software and such...but I don't want any chance of her deleting files or such |
| 06:07.15 | mheath | while I'm gone |
| 06:07.26 | nick125 | putting them on something like a CD would be probably best..dunno |
| 06:07.57 | mheath | I wish it had a better security system |
| 06:08.04 | findlay | then bury the CD under the rock in your backyard |
| 06:08.05 | mheath | So I could set it up so she can install software, but not mess with my files |
| 06:12.56 | Tene | just add access for her to use apt with sudo |
| 06:13.14 | maquis | Tene: i believe he's referring to windoze |
| 06:13.27 | Tene | pfft |
| 06:13.38 | Tene | I'll... be quiet now. |
| 06:36.10 | findlay | if she's good enough to type in properly formed apt commands then she probably knows how a liveCD can recover the root account anyway ... |
| 06:41.19 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, apt = simple apt-get install foobar |
| 06:41.57 | Tene | i/gnore xbmodder_lappy |
| 06:43.39 | xbmodder_lappy | how do I only play like 88 seconds of a video, and not the whole thing? |
| 06:46.31 | mheath | xbmodder: see the button with the big square on it? |
| 06:46.34 | mheath | Press it. |
| 06:47.28 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 06:47.35 | xbmodder_lappy | mplayer, command line options |
| 06:47.47 | Tene | man mplayer |
| 06:48.28 | xbmodder_lappy | Tene, reading it right now |
| 06:48.53 | Tene | sorry, I'm just feeling like a jerk tonight. |
| 06:49.17 | findlay | `mplayer --just-those-88-seconds-I-want`? |
| 06:50.09 | Tene | head -n 88 file.mpeg | mplayer |
| 06:50.13 | findlay | if you're not too particular about which 88 seconds but want 88 seconds all the same you could do something like `cat /dev/urandom | format_into_video.py | mplayer` |
| 06:53.38 | xbmodder_lappy | go it |
| 06:54.23 | Tene | what is it? |
| 06:58.22 | xbmodder_lappy | -sb |
| 07:05.39 | xbmodder_lappy | http://www-306.ibm.com/e-business/ondemand/us/advertising/advert_linux.shtml for these three commericals what would you say is the best for intro to a speech? |
| 07:05.47 | brac | [IBM On Demand Business - Linux] |
| 07:09.28 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: send that rate sheet to my gmail account, k? |
| 07:09.42 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, tell me which of those you like the best first |
| 07:11.08 | nick125 | cant at the moment |
| 07:15.00 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: please send that to me (the rate sheet)\ |
| 07:26.15 | findlay | ~poke xbmodder_lappy |
| 07:26.22 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind xbmodder_lappy, pokes xbmodder_lappy repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 07:27.16 | xbmodder_lappy | I was looking at IDV.net and voxee |
| 07:38.02 | xbmodder_lappy | ... |
| 07:43.24 | findlay | and was thus brought, or rather poked into the ensuing hilarity |
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| 07:44.01 | nick125_ | hey |
| 07:44.15 | nick125_ | xbmodder, pm me |
| 07:44.47 | nick125_ | mm |
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| 13:11.09 | goozbach | ~rlart |
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| 13:12.33 | nick125_lappy | mmm |
| 13:12.44 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy, ping |
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| 13:20.51 | nick125_lappy | morning everyone |
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| 13:42.34 | goozbach | http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/photographer.shtml |
| 13:42.40 | brac | [white ninja comics] |
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| 14:07.16 | sjansen | ~ninja goozbach |
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| 14:10.34 | sjansen | http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/07/magazines/fortune/rps_fortune/ |
| 14:10.40 | brac | [Judge to lawyers: Play the game - Jun. 7, 2006] |
| 14:11.57 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 14:13.57 | sjansen | ~fart tensai |
| 14:13.58 | ibot | ACTION farts in tensai's general direction |
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| 14:38.45 | goozbach | four pepsi's already this morning |
| 14:41.34 | nick125 | lol |
| 14:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure that shouldn't be posessive... |
| 14:51.06 | goozbach | hence the need for more caffiene |
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| 15:01.57 | [Utah]tristanbob | I have converted an in-law to ubuntu |
| 15:02.07 | [Utah]tristanbob | the first thing she is asking for is clipart and more fonts |
| 15:03.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Fonts aren't hard |
| 15:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Clipart could be ;) |
| 15:03.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I know under gentoo at least, they keep several *hundred* MB of fonts around in portage |
| 15:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd imagine that ubuntu has fonts in their packaging system also |
| 15:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | No clue about clipart, though |
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| 15:45.18 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:54.36 | sjansen | Once upon a time clipart CDs were just a bunch of folders and directories. |
| 15:55.01 | sjansen | -lart Pain the the hiney clipart programs. |
| 15:55.26 | sjansen | As for fonts, that shouldn't be a problem... |
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| 15:58.23 | sjansen | [Utah]tristanbob: http://www.larabiefonts.com/fonts.html http://www.alvit.de/blog/article/20-best-license-free-official-fonts http://www.dafont.com/en/ |
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| 16:12.35 | Uncle_Jesse | crap! my blog is spamming openclue again! |
| 16:12.39 | Uncle_Jesse | sorry guys |
| 16:12.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm turning it off again until I get it fixed |
| 16:12.53 | sjansen | ~silence Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:12.54 | ibot | ACTION shoves an apple in Uncle_Jesse's mouth, shoves a spit through ... well, uhm, anyway ... then builds a nice fire and starts roasting |
| 16:13.18 | Uncle_Jesse | stupid Bryar - this happens every time I reinstall linux |
| 16:14.27 | Uncle_Jesse | well, I thought Bryar had implemented my patch and was working this time - wasn't seeing the same symptoms as before |
| 16:14.34 | Uncle_Jesse | guess not |
| 16:15.11 | mheath | Mmm, two displays. |
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| 16:50.56 | Uncle_Jesse | awesome! they have it in bluetooth now: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ |
| 16:51.02 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Bluetooth Laser Virtual Keyboard] |
| 16:51.52 | levi | Heh, here's the lyrics to some Swedish techno song: http://www.letssingit.com/?/basshunter-botten-anna-translated-to-english-4z56w84.html |
| 16:55.04 | levi | And the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQUsp-jxDQ&search= |
| 16:57.31 | ^Migs^ | ~links |
| 16:57.32 | ibot | Lynx-like text WWW browser. URL: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ |
| 16:57.38 | brac | [Links home page] |
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| 17:01.19 | elg | levi: pretty funny |
| 17:05.35 | Uncle_Jesse | I need a good geek watch - any suggestions of something < $100? |
| 17:08.15 | levi | What's a geek watch? |
| 17:09.04 | Uncle_Jesse | cool features |
| 17:09.07 | Uncle_Jesse | atomic clock |
| 17:09.11 | Uncle_Jesse | compass |
| 17:09.15 | Uncle_Jesse | altimeter |
| 17:09.18 | Uncle_Jesse | bluetooth |
| 17:09.26 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't know - you name it |
| 17:09.29 | Uncle_Jesse | more the better |
| 17:10.53 | Kuyaedz | sun-dial |
| 17:12.31 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, don't wear a watch, too annoying on the wrist when you go to type |
| 17:12.37 | levi | That's the old-geek style. New-geek is clean, minimal, and stylish. |
| 17:13.07 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: Just use your cellphone as a watch like everyone else. |
| 17:13.26 | Jayce^ | or get a nice pocketwatch |
| 17:13.30 | tensai | use a sharpie to draw the time on your wrist |
| 17:13.54 | Jayce^ | use an abacus to record epoch seconds... |
| 17:13.59 | herlo | Uncle_Jesse: you could use a nice pocket watch. They don't interfere with your arms while typing and they look rather dapper at a dinner party.... |
| 17:14.07 | Jayce^ | and hack some mindstorms to do the physical work |
| 17:14.07 | herlo | oh wait....you're on #utah |
| 17:14.17 | levi | Here you go: http://www.fossil.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=29638&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=957&iSubCat=966&iProductID=29638 |
| 17:14.47 | herlo | but pocket watches are still nice...I have had one for about 10 years now. It works great, though I rarely carry it with me.... |
| 17:15.09 | levi | These are cool, but over your price limit: http://www.fossil.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=18229&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=2536&iSubCat=2537&iProductID=18229 |
| 17:16.33 | findlay | in my head |
| 17:16.48 | levi | Here's some interesting ones: http://www.fossil.com/jump.jsp?itemID=2538&itemType=CATEGORY |
| 17:24.00 | levi | This is more along the lines of what you asked for, but what you asked for was unrealistic at the price you want: http://www.ccoutdoorstore.com/sux9gpswa.html |
| 17:24.07 | brac | [Suunto X9 GPS Watch] |
| 17:26.34 | levi | Here's an incredibly geeky one: http://www.cathodecorner.com/nixiewatch/index.html |
| 17:26.37 | brac | [Nixie Watch by Cathode Corner] |
| 17:27.25 | levi | A $5 watch will tell the time, sure. |
| 17:27.59 | levi | Being able to tell the time is clearly not the only purpose of the wristwatch, though. |
| 17:28.43 | goozbach | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/ |
| 17:28.46 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Gadgets |
| 17:28.46 | brac | :: Watches] |
| 17:28.51 | macnewbold | levi: with a watch like yours, it ought to be... |
| 17:28.54 | macnewbold | ~rimshot |
| 17:28.55 | ibot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 17:32.50 | levi | Um, yeah. |
| 17:33.10 | findlay | yeah |
| 17:33.45 | herlo | levi: is another purpose of the watch to launch your web around the forces of evil? |
| 17:34.03 | levi | herlo: Maybe if you're Batman. |
| 17:34.11 | herlo | levi: that's spiderman |
| 17:34.58 | levi | Him, too, I guess. I didn't think he needed a watch for that, though. |
| 17:34.59 | herlo | or its where the new Jedi Master levi would want his lightsaber to be |
| 17:35.10 | tensai | if my watch could play thermo-nuclear war, that would be cool |
| 17:35.14 | herlo | ~lightsaber levi |
| 17:35.31 | levi | A lightsaber watch would be far too bulky. |
| 17:35.42 | herlo | tensai: global thermo-nuclear war even |
| 17:35.43 | levi | Besides, those are supposed to be on rings! |
| 17:35.45 | tensai | I had a watch with a compass and a bunch of nifty things, but I rarely used them. I just need the time and date. |
| 17:35.56 | herlo | levi: lol |
| 17:36.00 | tensai | herlo: curse my failed geek reference! |
| 17:36.35 | levi | My watch just has time and date. And it's analog. And made of titanium. |
| 17:36.43 | herlo | tensai: all is well, at least you were on the right track |
| 17:37.04 | findlay | would you be satisfied with the One Ring if you could perceive the stars with it and calculate the time? |
| 17:37.18 | herlo | or have One Ring to rule them all |
| 17:37.20 | herlo | !!!! |
| 17:37.23 | levi | No, I'd still wear a watch. |
| 17:37.38 | herlo | a Watch to Rule them all? |
| 17:38.22 | tensai | analog is the way to go. I agree with levi that clean, minimal and stylish is where it's at. |
| 17:38.23 | macnewbold | the watch to rule all watches... hm |
| 17:38.52 | macnewbold | yeah, analog is nice. especially when it has a stopwatch function and can check your email too |
| 17:39.16 | herlo | macnewbold: how exactly would you do that, with braille? |
| 17:40.22 | macnewbold | movable type |
| 17:41.39 | herlo | like a printing press? |
| 17:42.07 | macnewbold | sure |
| 17:42.09 | macnewbold | that's analog |
| 17:42.24 | herlo | its also movable type, if you think about it.... |
| 17:42.31 | goozbach | http://www.whiteninjacomics.com/comics/tooclose.shtml |
| 17:42.32 | brac | [white ninja comics] |
| 17:42.43 | macnewbold | ooh, or with morse code |
| 17:42.57 | herlo | right, except now you are on the verge of digital.... |
| 17:43.25 | herlo | because morse code is just the means, you can transmit it in many forms.... |
| 17:44.59 | herlo | btw, does anyone in Utah County have a truck with a 2" ball on their hitch I could borrow for about 20 minutes at 8am and 20minutes at 10:30am? |
| 17:45.35 | jsmith | herlo: I don't think mine is a 2" ball, and my tank will still be parked at the SLC airport :-( |
| 17:46.52 | herlo | jsmith: on Saturday morning? don't you come home on the weekends? |
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| 17:47.43 | jsmith | herlo: Yeah, usually... this time I don't get back in until late on Saturday :-( |
| 17:48.01 | herlo | ah, well that sucks, but you don't live in Utah County anyway |
| 17:48.44 | herlo | jsmith: thanx for trying |
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| 17:55.27 | brando1 | .. anyone ever notice bash scripts that work under suse/redhat don't under debian? looks like if [ $1 -eq 0 ] is invalid on debian because $1 is considered a string, but on redhat/suse it can be an int. Anyone else run into this? |
| 17:57.39 | harleypig | goozbach: why wasn't taht code workign? |
| 17:57.48 | harleypig | wow ... fat fingers today. |
| 17:58.29 | findlay | brando1: what is $1 in either case? |
| 17:58.42 | findlay | it's the first argument passed to the script, right? |
| 17:59.00 | levi | brando1: Are they #!/bin/bash on the first line or #!/bin/sh ? |
| 17:59.19 | findlay | or #!/bin/batman? |
| 17:59.45 | brando1 | right, first argument |
| 17:59.51 | brando1 | #!/bin/bash |
| 18:01.11 | [Utah]tristanbob | ScytheBlade1: thanks for the input on clipart |
| 18:01.58 | [Utah]tristanbob | I figured out how to install clipart in ubuntu |
| 18:02.17 | brando1 | heh, or maybe it's bin/sh. ;) That could be a problem.. |
| 18:02.41 | [Utah]tristanbob | sudo apt-get install openclipart-openoffice.org |
| 18:02.47 | [Utah]tristanbob | install about 144 MB of clipart |
| 18:03.20 | levi | brando1: Yeah, debian probably doesn't have /bin/sh pointing at bash. |
| 18:06.29 | brando1 | levi: it does,hmm |
| 18:07.33 | brando1 | .. so for any bash guru, is if [ $1 -eq 0 ] a valid bash if statement if $1 is an command argument? |
| 18:13.20 | [Utah]tristanbob | I think the operator -eq is for strings |
| 18:13.27 | [Utah]tristanbob | and != is for integers? |
| 18:13.32 | [Utah]tristanbob | does that sound right? |
| 18:13.50 | [Utah]tristanbob | actually I did NOT EQUAL |
| 18:13.52 | brando1 | I thought -eq was int and == is string |
| 18:14.08 | [Utah]tristanbob | I could be confused |
| 18:14.30 | tensai | -eq is int, = is string |
| 18:14.30 | brac | sure |
| 18:14.35 | brando1 | .. I'm just curious why $1 is an int on redhat/suse and $1 is a string on debian |
| 18:14.43 | tensai | brac: forget eq |
| 18:14.43 | brac | lemme take care of that for you |
| 18:15.03 | tensai | it should cast it regardless |
| 18:15.33 | brando1 | .. I took an init script from a redhat box and put it on ubuntu and ubuntu chokes on it. :) |
| 18:16.06 | tensai | [Utah]tristanbob: openclipart is cool, but it's not everything. I've used a few things from it but I rarely find everything I need. |
| 18:16.22 | [Utah]tristanbob | tensai: I am hoping it is enough for my inlaw |
| 18:16.31 | [Utah]tristanbob | tensai: If not, how to install it? |
| 18:17.34 | tensai | [Utah]tristanbob: I'm not following you. apt-get install openclipart-openoffice.org, it goes in /usr/share/openclipart IIRC |
| 18:18.11 | [Utah]tristanbob | tensai: sorry - I am asking about other clipart that you have found |
| 18:18.18 | [Utah]tristanbob | openclipart is working |
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| 18:19.42 | tensai | I don't do a whole lot so usually I just google. I've got a Print Shop CD that came with the printer. Unfortunately all the clipart is stored in some retarded format that requires their ridiculous image browser. |
| 18:19.54 | tensai | mmm. sandwich time. |
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| 18:20.18 | Hhhhhh | hello |
| 18:21.36 | goozbach | harleypig: I was trying to sub-class Class::Struct |
| 18:21.42 | goozbach | which doesn't allow it |
| 18:21.45 | goozbach | so I went without |
| 18:22.28 | [Utah]tristanbob | sjansen: thanks for the font links. do you use those or was that a googlization? |
| 18:29.44 | [Utah]tristanbob | sjansen: how do I install fonts on Ubuntu |
| 18:29.57 | [Utah]tristanbob | simple as double-click on the .ttf file? ;) |
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| 18:36.46 | goozbach | put them into ~/.fonts |
| 18:36.47 | goozbach | maybe |
| 18:38.12 | Tene | open fonts:// and drag them in |
| 18:43.20 | [Utah]tristanbob | are you guys serious? |
| 18:45.45 | [Utah]tristanbob | why not just ask the font fairy? |
| 18:46.45 | nick125 | lol |
| 18:47.19 | goozbach | I was seriouis about .fonts/ |
| 18:47.29 | goozbach | if Ubuntu uses FontConfig |
| 18:47.34 | goozbach | and only if |
| 18:47.46 | [Utah]tristanbob | I guess I could use EasyUbuntu to install MS fonts |
| 18:48.18 | Kuyaedz | [Utah]tristanbob: install the msttcorefonts package.. |
| 18:48.42 | Kuyaedz | msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts |
| 18:49.19 | [Utah]tristanbob | I heard that it takes more than that... anyone tried it? |
| 18:49.48 | Kuyaedz | I installed that package, restarted OOo and had a bunch of ms fonts.. |
| 18:49.58 | levi | It's always worked for me in Debian. |
| 18:50.20 | [Utah]tristanbob | cool - I will try it |
| 18:51.56 | ^Migs^ | whoa, the Google Maps satellite data got updated in my area |
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| 18:53.33 | [Utah]tristanbob | woah - looks like msstcorefonts are installed already! |
| 18:53.49 | [Utah]tristanbob | is that default dapper behavior? |
| 18:54.07 | Tene | I was serious about fonts:// |
| 18:54.07 | Kuyaedz | ...hadn't noticed, not sure. |
| 18:54.20 | Tene | I know it works in konqueror, and fairly certain it works in nautilus also |
| 18:54.35 | Tene | if desktop environments are your thing |
| 18:55.07 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 18:55.08 | ^Migs^ | no it didn't |
| 18:55.38 | Kuyaedz | ^Migs^: looking at the wrong map by mistake? :) |
| 19:00.16 | [Utah]tristanbob | I wish the openclipart-openoffice.org package would list the clipart in the gallery directory |
| 19:00.23 | [Utah]tristanbob | insert > picture > from file |
| 19:00.29 | [Utah]tristanbob | browses the gallery directory |
| 19:00.50 | [Utah]tristanbob | but it appears the clipart is all in /usr/share/openclipart/png/ |
| 19:04.38 | [Utah]tristanbob | looks like I will be creating a symlink |
| 19:05.22 | [Utah]tristanbob | sudo ln -s /usr/share/openclipart/png/ /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/clipart |
| 19:05.41 | Kuyaedz | is this a play-by-play or did you drop that into the wrong window? :) |
| 19:05.52 | [Utah]tristanbob | thinking out loud |
| 19:06.05 | [Utah]tristanbob | perhaps will add to ubuntu wiki |
| 19:07.37 | elg | http://www.free-penguin.org/ |
| 19:07.41 | brac | [Free Penguin Project - download free penguin sewing patterns, stuffed penguin and Tux patterns open source] |
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| 19:13.12 | tensai | push @goozbach, $findlay |
| 19:13.15 | goozbach | we are many!!! |
| 19:13.19 | goozbach | overflow |
| 19:14.15 | findlay | are there %goozbach also? |
| 19:14.57 | goozbach | use of undefined value in ./#utah line 13:14 < findlay> ; |
| 19:15.51 | harleypig | "Within hours of the announcment of their engagement they had both sampled of ... forbidden fruit. Proving that their host had little or no morals, and no little persuasive talents." |
| 19:16.53 | harleypig | I am just 7 hours old, surely a beauty to behold ... |
| 19:17.26 | goozbach | what? |
| 19:17.49 | harleypig | I'm listening to the soundtrack for Rocky Horror |
| 19:18.09 | goozbach | ahh |
| 19:19.37 | harleypig | I'm not much of a man by the light of day |
| 19:19.39 | harleypig | ... |
| 19:19.48 | harleypig | I'm just a sweet transvestite ... |
| 19:20.10 | harleypig | blah blah |
| 19:20.23 | harleypig | Tm Curry does such a wonderful job with this. |
| 19:23.44 | harleypig | Summer lovin' ... never had so much fun... |
| 19:23.55 | harleypig | tell me more tell me more ... |
| 19:24.12 | harleypig | welcome to harley's mangled soundtracks. |
| 19:24.18 | harleypig | at least you don't have to hear it. |
| 19:24.29 | sjansen | [Utah]tristanbob: I've grabbed fonts from all of the sources. I hang onto links for free fonts when I stumble across them. |
| 19:25.00 | findlay | sjansen: do you ever get fonts from CTAN? |
| 19:27.03 | sjansen | RE: Pocket watches. I already have too much in my pockets. |
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| 19:28.21 | sjansen | harleypig: _I_ don't have to hear it. I think Jayce^ and redbeard1 _should_ have to hear it. |
| 19:30.31 | redbeard1 | ~lart Jayce^ and sjansen |
| 19:32.28 | harleypig | I have a dedication here ... this is dedicated to Jayce^ and redbeard1 ... |
| 19:32.39 | harleypig | I'm headin' down the Atlanta highway, |
| 19:32.47 | harleypig | lookin' for the love getaway |
| 19:33.27 | harleypig | I got me a car, it's as big as a whale |
| 19:34.14 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 19:34.32 | findlay | redbeard1: inspired by your blog I decided to experiment and modify how I make ramen |
| 19:34.52 | redbeard1 | findlay: i just bought a book yesterday with 101 ramen recipes |
| 19:35.08 | redbeard1 | but how are you planning to modify how you make it? |
| 19:35.14 | levi | redbeard1: I checked out that New Way to Cook book. |
| 19:35.32 | levi | I'm going to modify my ramen by adding extra MSG! |
| 19:35.34 | redbeard1 | levi: new way to cook? what's that? |
| 19:35.41 | redbeard1 | heh. msg. awesome! |
| 19:35.54 | levi | redbeard1: Hmm, maybe it was a different food blog that recommended it. |
| 19:36.12 | findlay | nothing significant, I just put the msg laden salt pack in before boiling the noodles |
| 19:36.26 | redbeard1 | levi: sounds interesting, but wasn't mind |
| 19:37.01 | levi | redbeard1: It's a big cookbook that focuses on techniques for cooking yummy light food, with respect for good fats rather than an attempt to cut them out completely. |
| 19:37.06 | redbeard1 | findlay: i've tried that before. believe it or not, it actually comes up less flavorful. the flavor seems to coagulate and stay on the bottom instead of sticking to the noodles |
| 19:37.14 | harleypig | I usually cook 2 or 3 packages at the same time, I put 2 packets in to boil, then sprinkle the last over with a liberal helping of butter. |
| 19:38.18 | goozbach | http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/top-10-strangest-clocks |
| 19:40.15 | levi | redbeard1: Ahh, here's the blog entry I read about it: http://markbernstein.org/May0601/ANewWayToCook.html |
| 19:40.18 | brac | [Mark Bernstein: A New Way To Cook] |
| 19:42.20 | harleypig | I don't see ramen in that article |
| 19:43.36 | levi | harleypig: Nope, no ramen. |
| 19:44.34 | levi | A church kitchen I was in once had an MSG shaker in it. You could just shake powdered MSG like salt onto your food. |
| 19:47.17 | levi | Oooh, cool geek kid crafts: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/08/technology/08cricket.html?ex=1307419200&en=5f9b0e5f8583966a&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss |
| 19:47.20 | brac | [Arts and Crafts for the Digital Age - New York Times] |
| 19:47.26 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: we had that in every house I was in on my mission |
| 19:48.01 | findlay | what's the UID of nobody? |
| 19:48.18 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.backcountry.com/store/HIG0010/Highgear-Alterra-Watch.html?id=xAbXXMbo |
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| 19:53.23 | findlay | who is UID -1? |
| 19:53.39 | elg | you |
| 19:53.52 | findlay | and why should they be bothering me? |
| 19:54.08 | elg | who's bothering you? |
| 19:54.17 | findlay | access for server (uid -1, gid -1) failed: read not allowed |
| 19:54.27 | findlay | that's what apache tells me |
| 19:54.37 | elg | -1 is nobody I think |
| 19:54.37 | brac | alright |
| 19:54.40 | elg | depends on the distro |
| 19:54.49 | elg | brac, 1? |
| 19:54.50 | brac | 1 is nobody I think |
| 19:54.52 | findlay | but nobody is in /etc/passwd |
| 19:55.03 | elg | and what is nobody there? |
| 19:55.24 | findlay | 99 |
| 19:55.29 | elg | 99 isn't -1 |
| 19:55.40 | findlay | I bet -1 is also nobody |
| 19:55.48 | elg | well look and see |
| 19:55.59 | findlay | but the dir that's complaining is chown'd 99 |
| 19:56.03 | findlay | the 99 nobody |
| 19:56.37 | elg | on my box nobody is -1 |
| 19:56.41 | elg | 65534 |
| 19:56.45 | findlay | but apache is running as -1 nobody |
| 19:56.54 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Your web designer is clearly up on the latest trends. |
| 19:56.59 | elg | then it's not nobody, I guess |
| 19:57.00 | findlay | unsigned? |
| 19:57.14 | elg | yes |
| 19:57.46 | levi | Rounded corners, bright contrasting colors, asterisks... |
| 19:58.21 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 19:59.26 | Kuyaedz | http://www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html |
| 19:59.31 | brac | [Net Neutrality] |
| 20:02.05 | elg | you have got to be kidding me: http://lwn.net/Articles/186855/ |
| 20:02.10 | elg | Tcl/Tk is NOT NEWS |
| 20:02.37 | nick125 | LOL |
| 20:03.00 | nick125 | tk is ugly |
| 20:03.05 | findlay | this is very nice, so nobody is two UIDs |
| 20:03.19 | nick125 | and the code is just as ugly as the UI |
| 20:03.21 | findlay | and the system can't keep them straight |
| 20:10.35 | sjansen | Anyone know if there's a command I can use to find out the speed of a drive? |
| 20:11.02 | findlay | does hdparm not tell you? |
| 20:11.17 | findlay | open the case perhaps? |
| 20:11.51 | macnewbold | maybe /bin/time + cat <some really huge file> ? |
| 20:12.13 | Kuyaedz | sjansen: let me find the command I use.. one sec |
| 20:12.16 | findlay | macnewbold: I think he's referring to the RPMs |
| 20:13.18 | Kuyaedz | hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
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| 20:15.19 | lars-ut-away | sjansen: dd if=/dev/random of=test.dat bs=1048576 count=100 |
| 20:15.23 | lars-ut-away | 100MB file |
| 20:15.36 | macnewbold | that will give you data transfer speeds |
| 20:15.46 | macnewbold | which should be pretty closely correlated to RPMs I'd bet |
| 20:15.52 | macnewbold | you'd just have to find out the ratio |
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| 20:17.51 | harleypig | OMG anyone read yesterdays DailyWTF? |
| 20:20.02 | lars-ut-away | sjansen: oops - that should be dd if=/dev/urandom of=test.dat bs=1048576 count=100 |
| 20:20.10 | lars-ut-away | urandom - not random |
| 20:20.14 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: we're very state-of-the-art here |
| 20:20.27 | Uncle_Jesse | somehow, even with low pay they still seem to bring in top talent |
| 20:20.49 | sjansen | lars-ut-away: It'd be better to use /dev/zero so you're not bottlenecking on the CPU at all. |
| 20:21.08 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: we're doing an even more standards-compliant redesign here shortly |
| 20:21.19 | levi | Nice. |
| 20:21.24 | Uncle_Jesse | also, check out the shopping cart - it's all AJAX |
| 20:21.29 | Uncle_Jesse | well, some of it at least |
| 20:21.40 | Uncle_Jesse | that will be more AJAX shortly |
| 20:22.02 | lars-ut-away | sjansen: I think you're right |
| 20:22.44 | goozbach | http://www.rctoys.com/eyecam.php |
| 20:22.48 | brac | [RCTOYS.COM // Eyecam] |
| 20:22.49 | beandog | harleypig: heh, thats great :D |
| 20:23.20 | Uncle_Jesse | every new desktop here becomes Linux - Windows is the exception, not the standard |
| 20:23.48 | harleypig | beandog: I couldn't believe it. I've got to wonder how he explained it to them. |
| 20:23.56 | harleypig | (them being both his bosses and the clients). |
| 20:24.13 | beandog | probably with really small words. :) |
| 20:24.39 | harleypig | heh |
| 20:25.45 | beandog | Some of the database ones on thedailywtf dont hold a candle to what I've been fixing here.. |
| 20:26.13 | beandog | sql server + no genuine concept of "relational" + save all my queries in views |
| 20:26.18 | beandog | Ill leave it to your imagination. |
| 20:26.56 | beandog | And did I mention, why put all your tables in one database when you can have one database for each section? |
| 20:27.38 | harleypig | I've seen 1 database, 1 table. |
| 20:27.49 | beandog | oh, my. |
| 20:27.54 | beandog | that's sad. |
| 20:28.11 | harleypig | It was a painful experience. |
| 20:28.12 | beandog | Ive been spending the last few hours at work trying to track down a bug in sql server... |
| 20:28.23 | harleypig | A single bug? |
| 20:28.23 | beandog | "select * from foo" returns 8,503 rows |
| 20:28.31 | beandog | "select id from foo" returns 1. |
| 20:28.31 | harleypig | How can you find it amongst all the other bugs? |
| 20:28.35 | mheath | I just bought a fingerprint reader for my computer. Pretty nifty. |
| 20:28.44 | [Utah]tristanbob | http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2733 |
| 20:28.59 | beandog | I dunno, it does have plenty of bugs though |
| 20:29.01 | levi | mheath: How much was it? |
| 20:29.12 | mheath | levi: $50. |
| 20:29.12 | harleypig | beandog: don't know sql server |
| 20:29.20 | [Utah]tristanbob | mheath: microsoft brand? |
| 20:29.22 | beandog | harleypig: consider yourself blessed |
| 20:29.24 | levi | mheath: Yow. |
| 20:29.35 | mheath | [Utah]tristanbob, yep. I bought it for my Windows laptop, though. |
| 20:29.37 | harleypig | beandog: well, I've refused to learn it. |
| 20:30.39 | mheath | I also got a really nice USB hub. |
| 20:30.45 | mheath | I'm setting up a nice docking station for my laptop. |
| 20:30.53 | beandog | harleypig: I got it dropped into my lap. Its not all *that* bad once you get it working how you like, and you know workarounds for the bugs. |
| 20:31.03 | harleypig | While I'm confused as to why cnn put this little story in the offbeat section, I'm glad they did ... otherwise I wouldn't have seen it. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/07/farmer.restaurant.ap/index.html |
| 20:31.04 | beandog | harleypig: but Id still never recommend it to anyone. |
| 20:31.08 | brac | [CNN.com - Dakota farmers serve steak, martinis to Beltway insiders - Jun 7, 2006] |
| 20:31.13 | beandog | were migrating to postgres. yay! |
| 20:31.23 | harleypig | beandog: nice |
| 20:32.19 | mheath | So far, my laptops docking station consists of a second monitor, a USB Hub, two printers, a fingerprint reader, and an audio system. |
| 20:33.27 | beandog | why do you need two printers? |
| 20:33.48 | mheath | beandog, Well, one of them is actually network connected, but its next to the docking station |
| 20:33.56 | mheath | One is an older printer/scanner, we use it mainly for scanning |
| 20:34.03 | mheath | One is our nice new photo printer |
| 20:34.14 | beandog | huh |
| 20:34.16 | beandog | thats crazy. |
| 20:35.03 | mheath | I love it - I can log into my system now with a touch of a finger. |
| 20:35.07 | mheath | Securely |
| 20:35.22 | mheath | Same with websites and applications. |
| 20:35.27 | beandog | reminds me of a star trek tng episode |
| 20:35.41 | beandog | Data: I assume I can open this door with your hand whether you are concious or not |
| 20:35.47 | beandog | gosh, I'm a nerd. |
| 20:36.02 | mheath | hahah |
| 20:36.18 | Jayce^ | beandog, yes, yes you are... |
| 20:36.22 | beandog | :) |
| 20:36.39 | mheath | I guess you can steal my identity then |
| 20:36.46 | mheath | knock me out, log on to my laptop with my fingerprint.... |
| 20:36.58 | beandog | and impersonate you on #utah :D |
| 20:37.20 | mheath | haha. |
| 20:38.31 | macnewbold | now you've got a much higher risk of people wanting to steal your fingerprint (it's easier than you might think) or worse, steal your finger |
| 20:42.18 | mheath | macnewbold, I'm sure they could get me to tell them a password easier than they could steal my finger. |
| 20:44.03 | *** part/#utah brando1 (n=brandon@blurry.skewedvision.com) |
| 20:44.43 | beandog | heh |
| 20:45.27 | sjansen | Bummer. :-( One of my students just spent the last hour and a half stuck on a single problem, and I didn't notice because it's a long lab and seemed actively involved. Eventually he finally asked for help... |
| 20:45.41 | harleypig | I'm going to OSCON! neener neener |
| 20:45.50 | sjansen | I respect him for his attempt to be independent, but 1.5 hours ... |
| 20:45.53 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: you suck |
| 20:46.06 | harleypig | like a vacuum |
| 20:47.08 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:47.14 | harleypig | You're a SICK SICK man |
| 20:47.21 | findlay | duh |
| 20:47.25 | findlay | ~lart me |
| 20:47.48 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: I said I didn't want to imagine it - didn't say I was imagining it ;-) |
| 20:48.16 | harleypig | The fact that you brought it up means it came up, you're just trying to beat it down. |
| 20:48.48 | Uncle_Jesse | oh - it came up - like vomit |
| 20:48.58 | findlay | how could I be so retarded? |
| 20:49.11 | harleypig | you really want an answer to that findlay? |
| 20:49.46 | findlay | sure, give me an answer |
| 20:54.29 | harleypig | genetics. |
| 20:54.38 | harleypig | or else it was all the huffing you did ... |
| 20:54.56 | findlay | harleypig: is just jealous that I'm so brilliantly intelligent |
| 20:55.06 | findlay | s/:// |
| 20:55.07 | Tene | ggipyelrahics |
| 20:55.31 | harleypig | what's the c in there for? |
| 20:55.44 | harleypig | looks like an extra g as well. |
| 20:56.02 | harleypig | or is that not harleypig gc? |
| 20:56.11 | harleypig | s too |
| 20:56.33 | harleypig | oh ... duh |
| 20:56.38 | harleypig | it's just backwards ... |
| 20:56.48 | harleypig | so what's sci ... g? |
| 20:57.11 | Tene | genetics |
| 20:57.54 | harleypig | Are you implying that my bassackwardness is caused by my folks? |
| 20:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You were doing a fine job of implying that yourself :) |
| 20:58.25 | findlay | bah, those bioinformatics moguls |
| 20:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 20:58.34 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.38 | findlay | ~corner |
| 20:59.45 | harleypig | As long as you do it quietly |
| 21:02.09 | mheath | You went from crying to weeping. |
| 21:02.26 | Jayce^ | harleypig, no, I think it's mostly your own fault |
| 21:02.30 | mheath | I would have thought that weeping would be noisier. |
| 21:03.46 | lars-ut-away | macnewbold: When you acept an account transfer on GoDaddy with their hosting, does the old domain content come with it? |
| 21:04.13 | macnewbold | I'm not sure... namecheap is generally my registrar of choice. |
| 21:04.21 | macnewbold | if you're not sure, make a backup first :) |
| 21:04.34 | Kuyaedz | I can't stand godaddy |
| 21:05.20 | harleypig | I know what I'm dressing up for halloween as. |
| 21:05.25 | harleypig | Dr. Fank-N-Furter. |
| 21:05.34 | harleypig | err ... s/Fank/Frank/ |
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| 21:05.47 | harleypig | ibot only does it when s/ is the first of the line? |
| 21:05.52 | ibot | okay, harleypig |
| 21:05.57 | harleypig | omg |
| 21:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:06.52 | macnewbold | s/lol/haha/ |
| 21:07.01 | macnewbold | s/haha/lol/ |
| 21:07.07 | macnewbold | haha lol |
| 21:07.08 | harleypig | mac, it only works on stuff you say. |
| 21:07.10 | macnewbold | s/haha/lol |
| 21:07.13 | macnewbold | s/haha/lol/ |
| 21:07.18 | macnewbold | and if you type it right :) |
| 21:07.22 | elg | findlay: do you have two nobody lines? |
| 21:07.41 | macnewbold | it should work on stuff anybody says... that would be much more fun |
| 21:07.50 | macnewbold | putting words in others people's mouths |
| 21:10.25 | elg | "let there be blod" :) |
| 21:11.02 | levi | mheath: Most fingerprint sensors can be defeated with a success rate of around 80% with a gummi bear. |
| 21:11.42 | harleypig | Here's what Frank-N-Furter looks like http://www.rockymusic.org/archive/RHS/broadway-1.jpg |
| 21:11.45 | harleypig | sfw |
| 21:12.09 | harleypig | Hey! That'd be a good one for makethebadmanstop |
| 21:12.10 | findlay | elg: just one |
| 21:12.13 | levi | mheath: http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0205.html#5 |
| 21:12.19 | brac | [Crypto-Gram: May 15, 2002] |
| 21:12.22 | elg | so is he -1 or 99? |
| 21:12.31 | findlay | I bet apache was configured to think nobody was -1 |
| 21:12.35 | findlay | he's 99 |
| 21:15.01 | elg | is anyone -1 (66534)? |
| 21:16.27 | elg | levi: so you can make a fake finger with a valid fingerprint and fool the fingerprint detectors? |
| 21:16.33 | findlay | elg: nope |
| 21:16.49 | elg | or you can fool the detectors with just a gummi bear? |
| 21:16.53 | elg | because there's a big difference |
| 21:17.11 | elg | $10 materials or no, one requires having the fingerprint already |
| 21:17.40 | levi | The fake finger doesn't need a fingerprint. |
| 21:18.16 | levi | At least, the text doesn't make it seem as if it does. |
| 21:18.19 | tensai | how can it not need a fingerprint? it has to copy something |
| 21:18.29 | tensai | they started by scanning a fingerprint |
| 21:18.39 | harleypig | It's a shame how Rocky Horror midnight showings aren't going on anymore. |
| 21:18.39 | levi | There were two experiments. |
| 21:19.08 | levi | I guess the first one may have used the person's finger, while the second one lifted a latent fingerprint. |
| 21:19.32 | elg | levi: right |
| 21:19.46 | elg | which is something, if they claimed you couldn't use a fake finger |
| 21:20.11 | elg | but if you can do it with a gummy bear, what about the old wax trick? that would probably work too, eh? |
| 21:20.32 | elg | this type of fooling is nothing new. if I could use a gummy bear to fool any fingerprint thing, that would be news |
| 21:20.47 | elg | I'd go on a rampage with my gummy bear. I'd name it jorge |
| 21:20.50 | tensai | the fact that it can be done with off the shelf parts for $10 is new |
| 21:21.03 | elg | wax was always cheaper than $10 |
| 21:22.41 | levi | Anyway, I would consider a $50 fingerprint reader a huge waste of money if I was a high school student working at Applebee's. Or if I was who I really am. But obviously mheath does not think as I do. |
| 21:22.55 | levi | Er, a recent high school graduate, I should say. |
| 21:23.22 | elg | oh I'd say it's a waste of money too |
| 21:23.47 | elg | but not because someone could steal my fingerprint for $10 materials, unless perhaps I was trying to protect it from people that live in my house |
| 21:24.32 | elg | anyone who doesn't know me and will go to the trouble to lift my fingerprint mission:impossible style will be a lot harder to stop than a $50 fingerprint scanner even if it worked |
| 21:25.34 | mheath | levi: I think of it as a novel, interesting toy that I bought because I have a decent amount of money and nothing to spend it on. |
| 21:26.01 | mheath | And don't tell me "you should save it" |
| 21:26.10 | levi | You said it, not me. |
| 21:26.10 | mheath | I just invested $200 in mutual funds, and paid off my car. |
| 21:26.11 | elg | why not? you should |
| 21:26.19 | findlay | you could have bought a decent Beethoven cycle for $50 and to spare if you find a deal |
| 21:27.00 | elg | beethoven made bicycles? |
| 21:27.00 | findlay | I reccomend George Szell with the Cleveland Orchestra |
| 21:27.19 | levi | What's interesting about a fingerprint reader? |
| 21:27.31 | levi | You put your finger on it and... it logs you in. |
| 21:27.39 | levi | Whee, fun! |
| 21:27.48 | Uncle_Jesse | so which is worth more - a solar watch with atomic time syncing, or an altimeter, barometer, compass, and termometer? |
| 21:27.50 | elg | if the reader could automatically fill password fields of all sorts without any prompt it might be worth it for convenience |
| 21:28.03 | Uncle_Jesse | the first I can get for $50, the second I can get for $100 |
| 21:28.11 | mheath | elg, it can. |
| 21:28.17 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: the second |
| 21:28.24 | mheath | Just tap it, and it autofills usernames and passwords in any webpage or program |
| 21:28.25 | elg | mheath: in linux? |
| 21:28.36 | mheath | elg, In Windows. This is my Windows laptop. |
| 21:28.52 | levi | There are plenty of programs that will do that without even requiring a tap on some $50 device. |
| 21:29.22 | mheath | levi: securely? |
| 21:29.31 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: are you seriously going to get worked up over the microseconds your watch drifts off of time? |
| 21:29.32 | levi | mheath: As secure as your fingerprint scanner is. |
| 21:29.38 | elg | after a year you might be a few seconds off |
| 21:29.38 | levi | mheath: Probably more securely. |
| 21:29.48 | elg | but altimeter, barometer, etc. can be very useful |
| 21:30.12 | elg | levi: nah, probably not more securely, unless it requires you to type something |
| 21:30.13 | levi | Solar power, on the other hand, is very nice. You never have to change the batteries. |
| 21:30.14 | macnewbold | thermometer too |
| 21:30.27 | elg | and then you've lost half the convenience |
| 21:30.32 | elg | watch batteries, like $5 every two years |
| 21:30.37 | elg | unless those other things take a lot of battery... |
| 21:30.38 | macnewbold | my dad has a watch that winds itself as you move your hand/wrist/arm |
| 21:30.45 | levi | elg: Most only require you to type a single password for a session. |
| 21:31.04 | levi | elg: Which is a considerable convenience win over having to remember a ton of different username/password pairs. |
| 21:31.10 | macnewbold | no batteries, never wind manually... it's pretty sweet, though the whole face is in japanese |
| 21:31.28 | elg | levi: exactly. less secure than entering even a fake finger every time |
| 21:31.39 | levi | macnewbold: They have those with English faces, too. Citizen makes eco-drive. |
| 21:32.06 | levi | elg: For some vague concept of 'secure' that makes very little difference in this scenario. |
| 21:32.42 | elg | levi: I would argue that it does make a difference, if they're to be compared at all |
| 21:32.58 | elg | I could have typed my password and stood to get a drink from the bubbler and someone grabs my laptop and runs |
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| 21:33.08 | macnewbold | yeah, but this one is from about 1977 :) |
| 21:33.09 | elg | he's got access to everything until the end of whatever is defined as a session |
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| 21:33.26 | levi | elg: Or, he has the fingerprint scanner and some latent fingerprints. |
| 21:33.27 | elg | with the fingerprint thing, he'd have to make a fake finger beforehand |
| 21:33.29 | macnewbold | and he likes the japanese, he speaks it and reads it and that's where he bought it |
| 21:33.38 | elg | of course, the real bummer is the lost laptop, not my password access. :) |
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| 21:34.26 | harleypig | you guys should see my new desktop wall paper ... |
| 21:34.45 | elg | levi: I argue it's easier to watch over your shoulder and pick up your password than do this latent fingerprint stuff |
| 21:34.53 | levi | elg: With the scanner, he has access indefinitely with a lifted fingerprint. Otherwise, he only has access until the session times out. |
| 21:35.01 | elg | if we're going to be deliberate |
| 21:35.11 | elg | timing out sessions are not equivalent in convenience |
| 21:35.27 | harleypig | blog.harleypig.com/rocky-jewel.jpg |
| 21:35.29 | tensai | biometrics should never be used alone |
| 21:35.32 | harleypig | sfw |
| 21:35.49 | levi | elg: Depends on how the timeout is figured. And I didn't claim convenience was equivalent, but good enough and much cheaper. Also, configurable based on your convenience and security thresholds. |
| 21:35.52 | elg | you can't just arbitrarily compare security, because it's always a tradeoff. my super battery- and power-removing robotic arm is the most secure device out there |
| 21:36.27 | elg | oh yeah, cheaper and good enough I will agree |
| 21:37.08 | elg | but that doesn't make them directly comparable at precision levels |
| 21:37.26 | elg | lots of thieves out there can pick locks in no time flat |
| 21:37.30 | elg | but we still lock our car |
| 21:37.39 | levi | Indeed, you can't just arbitrarily compare security. Thus mheath's question 'securely?' is vague enough to answer 'yes' to, for some (but not every) defined level of security. |
| 21:37.40 | elg | lots of progs can crack passwords |
| 21:37.45 | elg | but we still use passwords |
| 21:37.55 | elg | levi: agreed |
| 21:38.17 | levi | The fingerprint scanner is better against some attacks, while a session password would be better against others. |
| 21:38.28 | elg | as is schnier's article "insecure!!!!1!!" not quite accurate |
| 21:39.39 | levi | Sure it is. He just tells you to be careful believing claims of security companies. |
| 21:39.56 | elg | always good advice |
| 21:40.12 | elg | I'm going to stick it in the Tcl/Tk news bin |
| 21:40.18 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: I think that's what I've come to |
| 21:40.33 | Uncle_Jesse | it would be a "nice" feature to have atomic/solar, but not necessary |
| 21:40.34 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: you're in the tcl/tk news bin? |
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| 21:40.45 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: sorry - talking about watches |
| 21:40.46 | elg | would any of them be necessary? |
| 21:40.55 | Uncle_Jesse | a watch is necessary |
| 21:41.07 | Uncle_Jesse | I should say "most useful" rather than "necessary" |
| 21:41.09 | elg | a watch with all those features is probably not necessary |
| 21:41.17 | elg | unless you work for IMF or something |
| 21:41.23 | levi | I would rather have a smaller, more comfortable watch over one with extra features. |
| 21:41.40 | Uncle_Jesse | it would be necessary if I were stranded on a desert island ;-) |
| 21:41.47 | levi | I have the altimeter and thermometer stuff on my mountain bike computer, which is pretty much the only place I'd use it. |
| 21:42.10 | levi | And I can always carry it around in a pocket if I need that info. :) |
| 21:42.20 | elg | my required features in a watch: analog face, date |
| 21:42.36 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: why analog? |
| 21:42.42 | elg | my looked-for features: chrono/timer and second time zone (for UTC) |
| 21:42.47 | elg | analog is easier to read |
| 21:42.49 | levi | My required features: analog face, date (preferably perpetual calendar), comfort, and style. |
| 21:43.07 | elg | oh and alarm |
| 21:43.26 | levi | I don't want an alarm on my watch. |
| 21:43.32 | elg | it can be handy |
| 21:43.32 | findlay | but if you have the One Ring do you really need to know the time? |
| 21:43.34 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't care about the alarm |
| 21:43.53 | levi | Sure, but I have other means of setting alarms. |
| 21:44.09 | elg | most of the time |
| 21:44.16 | elg | but when you go camping |
| 21:44.25 | elg | or you find yourself at some recreation park |
| 21:44.36 | elg | and many other (possibly infrequent) situations |
| 21:44.40 | Uncle_Jesse | my cell does all that |
| 21:44.44 | levi | I would really like to not have to touch any controls on my watch at all, but blasted daylight savings time prevents that. |
| 21:44.51 | levi | My cell phone does, too. |
| 21:45.00 | elg | oh for crying out loud |
| 21:45.06 | Uncle_Jesse | guess my cell tells time too ;-) |
| 21:45.09 | Uncle_Jesse | and is atomic |
| 21:45.24 | elg | if you're going to carry a cellphone around you might as well wear a sundial on your wrist |
| 21:45.38 | levi | A sundial isn't very stylish. |
| 21:45.55 | elg | levi: just learn to autoconvert UTC, then you won't have to switch at DST |
| 21:45.58 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I'm going for this: |
| 21:46.07 | levi | There's a reason watches are found in jewelry departments. |
| 21:46.11 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.backcountry.com/store/HIG0010/c3/s23/Highgear-Alterra-Watch.html?id=xAbXXMbo |
| 21:46.20 | Uncle_Jesse | in Alterra Bone |
| 21:46.20 | elg | if I had gobs of money I wanted to drop on a watch, it would probably be one of this class http://www.acespilotshop.com/pilot-supplies/watches/watches.htm |
| 21:46.26 | brac | [Pilot Watches and Aviator Watches at Ace's Pilot Shop] |
| 21:46.29 | Uncle_Jesse | $99 with my employee discount |
| 21:47.02 | elg | or this http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/74ce/ |
| 21:47.07 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: Pilot Watch with Slide Rule] |
| 21:47.09 | levi | Aviator watches are cool, but too big for my tastes. |
| 21:47.29 | elg | levi: if you were ready to put down $300 for a watch your tastes would have already changed. ;-) |
| 21:47.40 | elg | like the people that wear those big honkin' rings |
| 21:47.54 | nick125 | wtf... |
| 21:48.00 | nick125 | my line is lagging in and out : |
| 21:48.02 | elg | it's not about taste anymore, it's about either feature creep or status |
| 21:48.02 | nick125 | :/ |
| 21:48.04 | dkelson | any rain down in UT county? |
| 21:48.11 | elg | none in pg at the moment |
| 21:48.14 | levi | elg: My watch did cost about that much. I didn't buy it, though. |
| 21:48.27 | elg | it's $300 and has no cool buttons to push? |
| 21:48.32 | levi | Indeed. |
| 21:48.43 | levi | It is made of titanium, though, so it's lighter than the standard watch of its size. |
| 21:48.51 | elg | the band is titanium too? |
| 21:48.55 | levi | Yup. |
| 21:49.08 | elg | *shudder* I can't stand metal bands |
| 21:49.16 | elg | leather or webbing |
| 21:49.25 | levi | And it's got the perpetual calendar feature, so the date is always accurate. |
| 21:49.42 | levi | My leather bands all disintegrated, and webbing is too casual. |
| 21:50.26 | findlay | I don't know if I'll ever consciously be able to wear a ring |
| 21:50.31 | findlay | that's it |
| 21:50.58 | levi | I wear two rings. |
| 21:51.01 | findlay | social pressure forces me to wear a ring in token of being married. That's why I can't get married |
| 21:51.06 | levi | It took a little getting used to. |
| 21:51.25 | Uncle_Jesse | findlay: just find a cool wife |
| 21:52.16 | macnewbold | yeah, sure findlay... you just keep telling yourself and your girlfriends that the ring is the only reason why you wont commit.... ;) |
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| 21:57.06 | [Utah]tristanbob | remember when I asked about creating a file from within a script? |
| 21:57.24 | [Utah]tristanbob | one method is to use echo and single quotes |
| 21:57.48 | [Utah]tristanbob | but I have found another method that may work even better for what I need... |
| 21:57.58 | elg | create a file? why not touch? |
| 21:58.04 | [Utah]tristanbob | cat >> $out_file << EOF |
| 21:58.06 | [Utah]tristanbob | first line |
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| 21:58.08 | [Utah]tristanbob | second line |
| 21:58.10 | [Utah]tristanbob | EOF |
| 21:58.34 | [Utah]tristanbob | elg: I need to put text in the file in a non-interactive way |
| 21:59.03 | [Utah]tristanbob | basically, I am creating init-scripts within the install script |
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| 21:59.43 | elg | yeah, cat > foo <<EOF is a good way to do that |
| 21:59.47 | [Utah]tristanbob | if I understand correctly, the advantage of this method is that I don't have to escape characters |
| 21:59.59 | mheath | This is pretty nice :) |
| 22:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, aside from "EOF" ;) |
| 22:00.33 | elg | yes, no need to escape anything |
| 22:00.44 | elg | unless you have an EOF at the beginnig of the line... in which case you use something else |
| 22:00.52 | [Utah]tristanbob | elg: right :) |
| 22:00.57 | elg | you can do EOT, or moose, or purple_cow_with_a_tutu |
| 22:01.44 | Uncle_Jesse | well, just ordered it |
| 22:02.23 | [Utah]tristanbob | if I used the echo ' foo ' method, which characters need to be escaped - Only single quotes? |
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| 22:05.58 | elg | mostly |
| 22:09.09 | findlay | I prefer the 'purple_cow' family of names |
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| 22:17.06 | Uncle_Jesse | made my own bbq sauce yesterday - it was awesome |
| 22:17.15 | Uncle_Jesse | jelly-based |
| 22:17.28 | nick125_lappy | lol |
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| 22:24.08 | Uncle_Jesse | ketchup, jelly to sweeten, mustard, vinegar, spices essentially |
| 22:28.04 | macnewbold | worcestershire sauce is good too |
| 22:28.09 | macnewbold | in homemade bbq |
| 22:28.24 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - thought about adding that. I thought it would ruin the taste I had though |
| 22:28.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I usually add it when I mix up my bbq sauce from normal hinez bbq sauce |
| 22:29.26 | macnewbold | yeah, it might conflict a bit with the jelly, depending what kind you used |
| 22:30.04 | Uncle_Jesse | strawberry and peaches combined (ran out of peach halfway through) |
| 22:30.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I found cedar mulch from the garden put in tinfoil and on the grill makes a good smoker too |
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| 22:33.29 | mheath | Wow, I was just realizing how _old_ my dad is. |
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| 22:33.40 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath: how old? |
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| 22:33.56 | mheath | He was trying on his USAF today. He's wearing it so he can come down to MEPs and swear me in, in a week. |
| 22:34.15 | mheath | Its kinda scary comparing him in that uniform to pictures I've seen of him in that uniform from about 20 years ago, before he retired |
| 22:34.19 | mheath | Uncle_Jesse, he's almost 62. |
| 22:34.33 | Uncle_Jesse | wow - older than my dad |
| 22:35.06 | mheath | *trying on his USAF uniform |
| 22:35.07 | xbmodder_lappy | heyyour |
| 22:35.26 | xbmodder_lappy | Your dad is going to watch your swearing in his USAF uniform? |
| 22:35.56 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, my dad is swearing me into the USMC. |
| 22:36.23 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 22:36.23 | nick125_lappy | hey xbmodder_lappy |
| 22:36.39 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_lappy, boo |
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| 22:38.31 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy, sup? |
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| 22:41.31 | bonez39 | how does one find where the documentation resides, the README files, etc...for any particular application? I am running Deb 3.1 |
| 22:42.00 | mheath | bonez39, I think its in something like /usr/share/doc/ |
| 22:42.21 | macnewbold | you can try man -k progname, or sometimes locate can find relevant files for you |
| 22:42.38 | mheath | macnewbold, he asked about readme files |
| 22:42.59 | mheath | Debian stores all of those in one location. |
| 22:43.09 | macnewbold | nice |
| 22:43.26 | macnewbold | I guess I was addressing the "etc.." part ;) |
| 22:43.54 | macnewbold | you might also try /usr/local/share/doc/, but I'm not sure if debian uses that |
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| 22:56.33 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_lappy, noc.atarack.com:5154 |
| 22:58.18 | nick125_lappy | can't atm.. |
| 22:58.25 | nick125_lappy | stupid DSL line is lagging out |
| 22:59.07 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy, call :P |
| 22:59.51 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf |
| 22:59.54 | xbmodder_lappy | I got lag too |
| 23:00.18 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 23:02.49 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy, call me so we can talk about the thing you were talkign to me earlier :p |
| 23:02.59 | nick125_lappy | or PM.. |
| 23:14.49 | levi | Oh geez, Vorlath is on Lambda the Ultimate. |
| 23:47.18 | nick125 | wee.... |
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