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| 00:03.17 | Kuyaedz | synic: mind if I share that .deb with someone? additional testing? |
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| 00:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lars-ut-away, that's an amazing link |
| 00:25.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And, I am now graduated |
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| 00:26.18 | Tene | -urls |
| 00:26.18 | brac | [2006/06/06 17:52:23] <Kuyaedz> http://christer.pastebin.com/764085 |
| 00:26.18 | brac | [2006/06/06 17:49:04] <synic> http://soma.fm/groovesalad.pls |
| 00:26.19 | brac | [2006/06/06 17:42:06] <synic> http://exaile.org/files/exaile_0.2_i386.deb |
| 00:26.19 | brac | [2006/06/06 17:04:43] <nick125> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/75124 |
| 00:26.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Tene, moment |
| 00:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~weapons that should exist |
| 00:26.38 | ibot | weapons that should exist is, like, "To meet the criteria for inclusion on this list, a weapon must theoretically be able to kick a minimum of twelve varieties of [arse]. Any weapons that kick fewer varieties are unworthy of inclusion and are automatically reclassified as 'toys.'" (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_that_don%27t_exist%2C_but_should) |
| 00:27.18 | Tene | je'e ki'e |
| 00:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:28.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ibot, ScytheBlade1 is now a high school graduate, apologies to any UVSC attendees who had their traffic backed up for >1h as a result |
| 00:28.43 | ibot | ScytheBlade1: okay |
| 00:28.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:28.47 | ibot | you are, like, now a high school graduate, apologies to any UVSC attendees who had their traffic backed up for >1h as a result |
| 00:29.03 | Tene | ~tene |
| 00:29.05 | ibot | methinks tene is Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate frosted sugar bombs, or a liar, or more winningish than goozbach |
| 00:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ibot, ScytheBlade1 is now a high school graduate, apologies to any UVSC attendees who had their traffic backed up for >1h as a result, from Bingham's graduating class of 666, that graduated on 6/6/06 |
| 00:29.13 | ibot | ...but scytheblade1 is already something else... |
| 00:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ibot, forget ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:29.18 | ibot | ScytheBlade1: i didn't have anything called 'scytheblade1 ' to forget |
| 00:29.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 00:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:29.28 | ibot | it has been said that scytheblade1 is now a high school graduate, apologies to any UVSC attendees who had their traffic backed up for >1h as a result |
| 00:29.34 | ScytheBlade1 | whatever, to an ibot PM! |
| 00:30.30 | ScytheBlade1 | There we are |
| 00:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:30.36 | ibot | methinks scytheblade1 is now a high school graduate, apologies to any UVSC attendees who had their traffic backed up for >1h as a result, from Bingham's graduating class of 666, that graduated on 6/6/06 |
| 00:30.40 | ScytheBlade1 | >=) |
| 00:37.10 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, happy graduation! |
| 00:37.19 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 00:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 00:39.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It's rather satanic if I may say so myself |
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| 00:53.12 | xbmodder_lappy | bertbob |
| 00:55.57 | bertbob | hiays |
| 00:56.01 | bertbob | hiyas |
| 00:57.01 | xbmodder_lappy | (17:56:15) perry: guess what |
| 00:57.07 | xbmodder_lappy | (17:56:23) perry: im getting a new computer!! my computer died today |
| 00:57.07 | xbmodder_lappy | (17:56:26) perry: WOOT! |
| 00:57.16 | xbmodder_lappy | (17:56:29) perry: F*** |
| 00:57.20 | xbmodder_lappy | (17:56:31) perry: I DIDNT DIE |
| 00:57.59 | xbmodder_lappy | (17:57:50) perry: and im using higher volts |
| 00:58.05 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 00:58.16 | synic | Kuyaedz: sorry, went home. |
| 00:58.18 | synic | yeah, share away |
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| 01:07.57 | nick125 | anyone here know how to resize a NTFS partition ? |
| 01:10.45 | Kuyaedz | nick125: you could try knoppix live CD. |
| 01:13.53 | Kuyaedz | that should work too |
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| 01:40.22 | xbmodder_lappy | Why doesn't Apple release their OS? |
| 01:40.28 | nick125 | they do.. |
| 01:40.51 | nick125 | and its they're, not their |
| 01:41.37 | xbmodder_lappy | ... |
| 01:41.46 | nick125 | :D |
| 01:41.46 | xbmodder_lappy | Release their OS independently of machines |
| 01:41.50 | xbmodder_lappy | and its their |
| 01:41.55 | nick125 | I know |
| 01:42.02 | nick125 | I'm just doing it to annoy you |
| 01:53.55 | ScytheBlade1 | It's their machines that make them money |
| 01:53.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Not their OS |
| 01:54.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The OS brings people in, it costs nothing |
| 01:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The hardware keeps apple running |
| 01:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | People use mac for the OS, and in turn, give apple lots of money |
| 01:55.23 | xbmodder_lappy | They should sell their OS for 500, I doubt they make that off any machine |
| 01:55.34 | xbmodder_lappy | and $500 is better than not releasing it at all |
| 02:00.49 | xbmodder_lappy | 7% |
| 02:00.50 | xbmodder_lappy | GRR |
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| 02:59.31 | scottj | they definitely make 500 of some machines |
| 03:00.25 | scottj | almost that just on warranty, and some ram upgrades make them half that. |
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| 03:20.16 | xbmodder_lappy | :-? |
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| 03:25.21 | xbmodder_lappy | Does anyone understand this: http://www.linux.org.ru/view-message.jsp?msgid=1433324 (russian) |
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| 03:27.59 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 03:32.17 | xbmodder_lappy | WTF... |
| 03:34.06 | nick125_lappy | what? |
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| 03:45.34 | xbmodder_lappy | I figured out whats breaking the wireless, I don't know how to fix it though. |
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| 04:34.10 | mheath[laptop] | ~rlart |
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| 04:41.03 | QBFreak | ~lart mheath[laptop] |
| 04:43.57 | scottj | Arlen Specter rocks |
| 04:44.08 | findlay | ~fish somebody |
| 04:44.09 | ibot | ACTION slaps somebody around with a large trout |
| 04:47.36 | QBFreak | findlay: can I test something (safe) on you? :) |
| 04:49.22 | Supaplex | ~fish the feds |
| 04:49.24 | ibot | ACTION slaps the feds around with a large trout |
| 04:49.34 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone know how to reflash EEPROM on e1000 cards? |
| 04:49.49 | tensai | ~feed the fish |
| 04:49.50 | ibot | offers the fish some |
| 04:50.03 | QBFreak | findlay: never mind :) |
| 04:50.21 | Uncle_Jesse | why is emerge in gentoo installing xorg when I'm just trying to install libapreq2? |
| 04:51.16 | QBFreak | alas, if I tell my bot to 'tell foo about bar' even if its said in a channel they're in, it gets PM'd |
| 04:51.26 | Supaplex | because xorg is special, just like gentoo. |
| 04:51.58 | tensai | QBFreak: yup, that's how it works |
| 04:52.23 | Uncle_Jesse | I either don't understand gentoo (probably the case) or I'm not that impressed thus far that it has to install so much to get something like libapreq2 installed |
| 04:53.16 | QBFreak | but <action> inches closer to $who while polishing his shiny baseball bat should be shared with the world |
| 04:53.20 | QBFreak | its so much more fu nthat way :) |
| 04:56.38 | QBFreak | speaking of fun, Deer Park water bottles are a lot more fun to hit with a baseball bat than Dasani bottles |
| 04:58.55 | xbmodder_lappy | Uncle_Jesse, do you have -X use flag? |
| 05:01.53 | xbmodder_lappy | I wonder why I am getting such bad results with ATI drivers on glxgears. |
| 05:05.13 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: what kind of ati graphics card is it? |
| 05:06.20 | xbmodder_lappy | firegl M56GL |
| 05:06.57 | hatchmt | What kind of results are you seeing? |
| 05:07.35 | xbmodder_lappy | 161 GPs |
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| 05:09.22 | hatchmt | using glxgears or fgl_glxgears? |
| 05:12.16 | xbmodder_lappy | I don't have fgl_glxgears |
| 05:12.16 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder_lappy: no |
| 05:12.37 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 05:13.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't need x on this machine |
| 05:16.25 | bigdog_ut | everyone needs a little x now and then |
| 05:18.24 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: You have an firegl card but you aren't using the fglrx drivers? |
| 05:18.41 | Uncle_Jesse | everyone tells me gentoo is so much better than fedora because you only get what you install and fedora installs all this stuff you don't want |
| 05:18.51 | Uncle_Jesse | so far I'm seeing just the opposite - not sure what I'm doing wrong |
| 05:19.20 | bigdog_ut | what are you trying to install? |
| 05:19.34 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: 'cause fgl_glxgears comes with ATI's drivers |
| 05:19.58 | Uncle_Jesse | bigdog_ut: just libapreq2 |
| 05:20.10 | Uncle_Jesse | normally it's less than 3 minutes to compile on my own |
| 05:20.28 | Uncle_Jesse | emerge has been going on installing all kinds of stuff on the side |
| 05:20.30 | bigdog_ut | what is it adding? |
| 05:20.38 | Uncle_Jesse | right now it's installing xorg |
| 05:20.42 | bigdog_ut | check your flags and see |
| 05:20.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I saw graphviz in there |
| 05:20.55 | bigdog_ut | depends on your use flags |
| 05:20.58 | Uncle_Jesse | where do I check that? |
| 05:21.14 | bigdog_ut | emerge -pv libapreq2 |
| 05:21.47 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, I get some ugly errors when running it |
| 05:21.57 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, whats to difference? |
| 05:22.18 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - it's installing all kinds of x11 stuff |
| 05:22.38 | xbmodder_lappy | Uncle_Jesse, can I see your make.conf |
| 05:22.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm counting 27 dependencies |
| 05:23.26 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder_lappy: it's just these three lines, and then the list of mirrors: |
| 05:23.34 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: between fgl_glxgears and regular glxgears? The ati one renders the gears on a spinning cube, giving you a better benchmark on your card. On my T43's X300, I get something over 1000FPS using glxgears and 280ish FPS on ATIs. |
| 05:23.45 | Uncle_Jesse | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe" |
| 05:23.45 | Uncle_Jesse | CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" |
| 05:23.45 | Uncle_Jesse | CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" |
| 05:23.52 | bigdog_ut | Uncle_Jesse, do this emerge --info |
| 05:23.57 | xbmodder_lappy | Uncle_Jesse, USE |
| 05:24.54 | bigdog_ut | Uncle_Jesse, also remember there are default use flags...not sure if x is part of that on your profile |
| 05:25.08 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - there's a bunch of them in there |
| 05:25.27 | bigdog_ut | if you have x in there then you will get tons of stuff |
| 05:25.29 | Uncle_Jesse | how do I default to nothing? |
| 05:26.07 | bigdog_ut | you dont want to do that...you just need to remove the stuff you dont want |
| 05:26.43 | Uncle_Jesse | k |
| 05:26.52 | bigdog_ut | run emerge --info again and check out the use="* * * " |
| 05:27.06 | bigdog_ut | that is your final use flags that portage will see |
| 05:27.17 | Uncle_Jesse | gentoo is so weird |
| 05:27.22 | xbmodder_lappy | no it isn't |
| 05:27.30 | bigdog_ut | take that one and then modify it by unsetting then use flags you dont need |
| 05:27.46 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - will do |
| 05:27.57 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder_lappy: it is to me |
| 05:27.59 | bigdog_ut | so you would edit your make.conf and edit USE="-X -gnome -kde..." |
| 05:28.07 | bigdog_ut | it takes time to get use too |
| 05:28.15 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - definitely |
| 05:28.25 | Uncle_Jesse | still not sure if I like it or not - I'm giving it a chance though |
| 05:28.25 | xbmodder_lappy | bigdog_ut, you a gentoo-er too? |
| 05:28.35 | bigdog_ut | absolutely |
| 05:29.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm afraid it might be the best solution though for the age of my server |
| 05:29.08 | bigdog_ut | it takes a while to get use too |
| 05:29.21 | bigdog_ut | it might indeed...i love to run gentoo as a server |
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| 05:29.55 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - FC5 no longer supported half of my server's hardware |
| 05:30.05 | Uncle_Jesse | it's great for new hardware though |
| 05:30.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm thinking of trying SUSE as my next desktop OS |
| 05:30.34 | bigdog_ut | its good for old and new imho |
| 05:30.53 | Uncle_Jesse | not sure if I have the patience for it when I don't need it |
| 05:31.20 | bigdog_ut | it takes a commitment that is why gentooers like it...the commitment factor |
| 05:31.25 | bigdog_ut | and the geek factor |
| 05:31.37 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I don't have the time to spend maintaining my server |
| 05:31.41 | bigdog_ut | if you are doing servers...then i would not suggest it that much |
| 05:32.21 | Uncle_Jesse | and on the desktop I especially don't like something that takes time to install and upgrade |
| 05:32.35 | maquis | John Bolton, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, speaking on Fox News, pointed out on Tuesday that the arrests followed two years of police surveillance including wiretaps, observation and tracing of Internet usage. |
| 05:32.39 | maquis | "I hope the American public as a whole understands why these steps are being taken (in the United States), not to invade their privacy, not to find out things about legitimate activities, but to uncover these terrorist networks," he said. |
| 05:32.40 | Uncle_Jesse | desktop for me is where I always want latest and greatest |
| 05:32.45 | maquis | ^^ in reference to the canadian terrorists... |
| 05:32.59 | bigdog_ut | desktop gentoo rocks...very cuttin edge |
| 05:33.11 | bigdog_ut | latest and greatest 4 sure |
| 05:33.14 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, problem is that the bootagent is an EXE |
| 05:33.16 | Uncle_Jesse | but you have to wait for the cutting edge stuff |
| 05:33.19 | mheath[laptop] | maquis, that seems kind of vague. |
| 05:33.28 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: what part is vague? |
| 05:33.37 | Uncle_Jesse | (meaning wait for it to compile) |
| 05:33.45 | mheath[laptop] | The criticsms of Mr. Bush's policy are that they are extremely general: they collect random large amounts of private data. |
| 05:33.46 | bigdog_ut | its not that bad |
| 05:33.54 | Uncle_Jesse | I can get cutting edge with FC5 without the wait |
| 05:33.55 | maquis | mheath[laptop]: yes... i know... |
| 05:33.58 | bigdog_ut | Uncle_Jesse, you can cron that up and be good with it |
| 05:34.01 | mheath[laptop] | Those wiretaps and such sound like they were specific, targeted, ongoing police operations. |
| 05:34.08 | bigdog_ut | Uncle_Jesse, not that cutting edge |
| 05:34.24 | maquis | i found the use of an issue in canada to support some stupid policies int the US to be frustrating |
| 05:34.31 | mheath[laptop] | The FBI indentifying potential terrorists and investigating them, not finding them by perussing through thousands of private phone calls. |
| 05:34.31 | Uncle_Jesse | I can get development versions of everything, not to mention source rpms for everything else |
| 05:34.40 | Uncle_Jesse | which is gentoo's cutting edge |
| 05:34.48 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: no windows box to run it on? Have you tried it in WINE? Other than that, Intel doesn't give you much to work with. |
| 05:34.56 | bigdog_ut | gentoo you can always get the newest stuff |
| 05:35.12 | bigdog_ut | source rpms you still need to build and you have depend. issues too |
| 05:35.22 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: I might could make a floppy image, upload it to you, and you can dd it to a diskette |
| 05:35.23 | bigdog_ut | dont see much benefit on fc5 for that |
| 05:35.49 | mheath[laptop] | Just get Debian. |
| 05:35.53 | mheath[laptop] | apt-get build-dep * :) |
| 05:36.04 | Uncle_Jesse | most cutting edge that you have to go through that effort is too buggy to run anyway |
| 05:36.09 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, I tried it in wine |
| 05:36.20 | bigdog_ut | depends |
| 05:36.22 | bigdog_ut | not always |
| 05:36.38 | Uncle_Jesse | mheath[laptop]: or apt for rpm :) |
| 05:36.40 | bigdog_ut | mheath[laptop], i do agree that debian is killer...server wise |
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| 05:36.43 | Uncle_Jesse | or yum |
| 05:36.57 | bigdog_ut | i would take debian/ubuntu over fc any day |
| 05:36.59 | mheath | Ooops. |
| 05:37.02 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, I got a CD drive, no floppy |
| 05:37.35 | mheath | heh, I still have a bunch of 5.25 low density floppy drives |
| 05:37.39 | Uncle_Jesse | bigdog_ut: I may agree with ubuntu - I just had a bad experience with it |
| 05:37.42 | Uncle_Jesse | ubuntu's nice |
| 05:38.07 | Uncle_Jesse | I've heard good things about the latest SUSE too |
| 05:38.08 | mheath | Then again, the only thing I have on those disks anymore is MS-DOS 2.0, turobopascal, etc |
| 05:38.15 | bigdog_ut | i dont like ubuntu on the server...i do prefer debian and freebsd |
| 05:38.34 | Uncle_Jesse | debian and freebsd are both nice |
| 05:38.45 | mheath | bigdog_ut, the ubuntu-base installation doesn't differ from Debian much |
| 05:38.53 | mheath | Though I must admit, the focus is on desktop use |
| 05:38.55 | bigdog_ut | no not really |
| 05:38.58 | xbmodder_lappy | 720k right? |
| 05:39.01 | Uncle_Jesse | freebsd I'm moving away from though - much more being written for linux these days |
| 05:39.11 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, its just a DOS exe, right? |
| 05:39.26 | bigdog_ut | if you like freebsd they why not gentoo |
| 05:39.35 | mheath | xbmodder: less, I think. |
| 05:39.45 | mheath | 720K was high density floppies, right? |
| 05:39.59 | Uncle_Jesse | bigdog_ut: I don't really like it - it was good for awhile when your only option was compiling from source for most apps |
| 05:39.59 | mheath | Then 1.4 was double densit |
| 05:40.02 | maquis | bigdog_ut: the combination of packages with ports is a nice advantage of fbsd over gentoo |
| 05:40.13 | Uncle_Jesse | well, not any more - used to like it |
| 05:40.14 | maquis | also, using makefiles instead of emerge |
| 05:40.34 | mheath | I kind of like Gobo Linux's sytem |
| 05:40.36 | bigdog_ut | maquis, true i mush say makefiles are nicer |
| 05:40.44 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - freebsd is a bit more package-based than gentoo also |
| 05:40.47 | bigdog_ut | and packages rock...you dont find that with gentoo |
| 05:40.58 | mheath | Their filsystem hierarchy makes packages built in, without a real package manager |
| 05:41.11 | bigdog_ut | yes very much |
| 05:41.41 | mheath | And they have their 'recipe system', comparable to a scriptable apt-get.. |
| 05:44.57 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, does DOS have samba? |
| 05:45.16 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: Nope. |
| 05:45.26 | Uncle_Jesse | xbmodder_lappy: you on an NTFS-based system? |
| 05:45.40 | Uncle_Jesse | look up the NET command if so |
| 05:45.43 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: I have a floppy image for you if you'd like. You can use as the boot-sector of a bootable-cdrom if you'd like |
| 05:45.56 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: it's 1.44MB |
| 05:46.11 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, can I network boot that? |
| 05:46.24 | mheath | Wow. |
| 05:46.32 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, what? |
| 05:47.04 | xbmodder_lappy | hatchmt, yeah, I can just network boot it I found, do you need a shell? |
| 05:47.17 | xbmodder_lappy | or you got an FTP server |
| 05:47.19 | xbmodder_lappy | or HTTP |
| 05:47.43 | mheath | You can network boot an MS-DOS bootdisk? O.o |
| 05:48.03 | mheath | Well, I guess it all just gets loaded into memory anyway. |
| 05:49.07 | hatchmt | <shrug> I don't know how you'd network boot a floppy image, but anyway... I'll put it up on an http server in a minute -- turns out the floppy I used was crappy and is giving me loads of CRCs (that's what I get for not using floppies in years) |
| 05:56.30 | QBFreak | hatchmt: don't remind me, I have boxes of the things |
| 05:57.00 | QBFreak | last year I finally made images of all of the 5.25" floppies so I wouldn't lose them, but I have waay too many 3.5" disks |
| 05:58.25 | hatchmt | QBFreak: My dad has this obsession with backing up his old 5.25" and 3.5" disks containing MSDOS 1.11 and Norton Utilities 2... Oh, and let's not forget OS/2 1.3. This is all very important software that we can't lose. :) |
| 05:59.04 | hatchmt | I figure if he wants to (a) pay for the storage, and (b) do the labor of imaging each disk, I say more power to him. |
| 05:59.21 | hatchmt | I'm just glad I live miles and miles away from his shelves full of old disk boxes. |
| 05:59.58 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 06:00.26 | QBFreak | ooo, the oldest MS-DOS I have is 3.2 |
| 06:01.06 | QBFreak | I've got some old systems that only handle 5.25" disks formatted at 360K, so I try to keep backups of all my disks :) |
| 06:01.29 | findlay | QBFreak: ever seen FreeDOS? |
| 06:01.59 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:02.54 | QBFreak | yeah, norton ghost wont run on it |
| 06:03.09 | QBFreak | but that is irrelevant to my old hardware :) |
| 06:03.25 | hatchmt | QBFreak: we've got an old Compaq 8088 (that first "portable" one) tucked away somewhere with the 5.25" drives, but since I'll never have any incentive to use it again, I figure why keep software around that it can use? In fact, why keep the system at all? |
| 06:03.29 | hatchmt | I'ma go shooting tomorrow. :) |
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| 06:03.41 | findlay | FreeDOS from what I've read and seen, is probably the best DOS out there now |
| 06:03.46 | QBFreak | aww, shooting up a luggable? thats sad |
| 06:03.52 | hatchmt | findlay: that's because it's under active development. |
| 06:03.59 | QBFreak | I've already got an 8088 though, and absolutely no room for another |
| 06:04.11 | findlay | mainly because DRDOS tried to copy large portions of it and pass it off as their own |
| 06:04.24 | findlay | hatchmt: precisely |
| 06:04.36 | QBFreak | caldera has a free for non-commercial use version of dos don't they? |
| 06:04.45 | findlay | QBFreak: that's DRDOS |
| 06:04.49 | QBFreak | ah oops |
| 06:05.42 | findlay | I've actually used DRDOS a little once. It looked, smelled, and tasted just like any DOS I'd ever used before (MSDOS) |
| 06:06.06 | hatchmt | xbmodder_lappy: http://matthew.azza.org/intel-boot.img |
| 06:06.22 | hatchmt | Let me know when the transfer is completed. |
| 06:06.33 | findlay | DRDOS was the subject of a lawsuit against MS which precipitated a $ 250 million settlement |
| 06:07.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Done! |
| 06:07.41 | xbmodder_lappy | 66 seconds |
| 06:08.02 | hatchmt | I guess that's not too bad of speed |
| 06:08.06 | findlay | people should prevent me from posting such insanely stupid email to mailing lists |
| 06:08.23 | findlay | I disown responsibility for my actions |
| 06:08.42 | findlay | everything from now on is ibot's fault |
| 06:08.59 | QBFreak | ibot: flame findlay |
| 06:09.01 | ibot | findlay sux0rz d00d!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@@!!!!!!!11 |
| 06:09.01 | findlay | and gas prices |
| 06:09.43 | nick125 | who let the stupid AOL user into the channel? |
| 06:14.39 | findlay | ~haha http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/07/0322256 |
| 06:14.47 | ibot | ACTION beats http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/07/0322256 about the head with the ha ha bat |
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| 06:27.08 | findlay | -urls 1 |
| 06:27.08 | brac | [2006/06/07 00:14:42] <findlay> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/07/0322256 |
| 06:29.40 | findlay | everybody's going to bed? I guess that means I have to talk to myself to keep the conversation going |
| 06:29.48 | RyanE | yep. |
| 06:32.30 | nick125 | findlay: you could bring a clone here |
| 06:34.12 | findlay | conversation_bot = clone(findlay); |
| 06:36.29 | QBFreak | arg, why did my music quit playing? |
| 06:36.39 | nick125 | QBFreak: did you press the stop button? |
| 06:36.49 | QBFreak | no, it thinks its playing but no sound comes out |
| 06:36.52 | QBFreak | and it had been working |
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| 06:36.57 | QBFreak | duh |
| 06:37.07 | QBFreak | I kicked the standby button on the amp |
| 06:37.53 | QBFreak | I wondered how wise it was to put it there |
| 06:39.00 | nick125 | does my $150 logitech system count as high quality? |
| 06:39.06 | findlay | no way |
| 06:39.11 | nick125 | :( |
| 06:39.26 | findlay | $150 x 10 maybe |
| 06:39.39 | QBFreak | I would imagine my second-hand 4.1 channel surrou sound system isn't high quality either :) |
| 06:39.46 | nick125 | where are my drivers for xorg 7.1 you bastards!!!!!!! |
| 06:39.50 | QBFreak | yes, 4.1, the right-rear doesn't work |
| 06:40.10 | QBFreak | and the battery cover is taped to the remote |
| 06:40.19 | xbmodder_lappy | I am network booting a floppy |
| 06:40.20 | xbmodder_lappy | fun |
| 06:40.33 | QBFreak | but it still sounds way awesomer than my desktop speakers |
| 06:40.40 | findlay | floppy boots |
| 06:41.09 | findlay | high quality audio is a rich man's sport |
| 06:41.22 | findlay | and the manufacturers know it |
| 06:41.23 | QBFreak | I just want something that sounds pretty good, and this does, I'm happy :) |
| 06:41.32 | QBFreak | although it'd be nice to have stereo in the back |
| 06:41.55 | QBFreak | I need to open it up one day |
| 06:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | speaking of games |
| 06:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comparison018mx4df.jpg |
| 06:42.19 | brac | [ImageShack - Hosting :: comparison018mx4df.jpg] |
| 06:42.22 | findlay | do you think it's just a loose terminal? |
| 06:43.40 | QBFreak | findlay: I swapped out speakers, no difference, I think I tried sharing a ground with another with no effect |
| 06:44.02 | QBFreak | though I really hope that its just something that came disconnected inside :) |
| 06:44.43 | QBFreak | ScytheBlade1: took me a minute to realize the ones on the right was from a game |
| 06:44.48 | QBFreak | were! |
| 06:44.57 | findlay | I had a stereo once where the right channel just quit |
| 06:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, kinda creepy |
| 06:45.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The grass shadows give it away |
| 06:45.16 | findlay | I was going to figure out why, but never could |
| 06:45.19 | QBFreak | yeah, the grass is crappy in the game |
| 06:48.45 | QBFreak | findlay: did you hear about my insanity? |
| 06:49.11 | QBFreak | I decided to stuff a PC into a bookshelf stereo |
| 06:49.11 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 06:49.11 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, how is that going? |
| 06:49.22 | findlay | sounds pretty cool |
| 06:49.32 | QBFreak | I havn't done anything since I last mentioned it |
| 06:49.38 | QBFreak | at this point the board is mounted and that is about it |
| 06:49.48 | QBFreak | I still need to cut the plexiglass for the rear of the case |
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| 06:50.28 | QBFreak | once that happens I'll get the hardware mounted (CD-ROM, power supply) and hopefully get to work on the interface hardware with my friend who knows how to use all the expensive stuff I ordered :) |
| 06:51.16 | nick125 | why is shoving a PC in a stereo sound like a bad idea? |
| 06:52.07 | QBFreak | nick125: the stereo had to come out to make it fit |
| 06:52.17 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:52.19 | QBFreak | which is sad, it means no internal amp |
| 06:52.28 | nick125 | so, its just a fancy case? |
| 06:52.33 | QBFreak | but thats where this screwey sound system I purchased came in |
| 06:52.40 | QBFreak | yeah, with a working display and buttons anda remote |
| 06:52.51 | QBFreak | and if I ever get that far, maybe a web interface |
| 06:53.17 | nick125 | give me 50% of the royality rights to the bookshelf PC(TM) and I will help you with the web interface |
| 06:53.25 | nick125 | :D |
| 06:53.31 | QBFreak | no thanks :p |
| 06:53.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Give me 50% of the bookshelf PC (TM) and I will write the web interface! |
| 06:54.00 | nick125 | what are you gonna use for audio? |
| 06:54.25 | nick125 | I suggest either MPD with a fancy management daemon, or a custom music output daemon |
| 06:55.33 | QBFreak | I've forgotten, I believe I have it bookmarked or recorded somewhere |
| 06:56.19 | nick125 | what kind of LCD does it have if any? |
| 06:56.22 | QBFreak | MPD sounds familiar |
| 06:56.47 | QBFreak | no LCD, I'm going to use the existing VFD display |
| 06:56.49 | nick125 | you actually might be better off making a custom case..hrm.. |
| 06:57.04 | QBFreak | I decided I wont be able to see an LCD of the right size across the room |
| 06:57.14 | nick125 | then, order a LCD/whatever from matrix orbital, and use that.. |
| 06:57.25 | QBFreak | but I already ordered the VFD hardware... |
| 06:57.38 | nick125 | make sure the mobo has an internal USB header |
| 06:57.40 | nick125 | etc |
| 06:57.42 | nick125 | it would be cool |
| 06:57.43 | QBFreak | yup |
| 06:58.04 | nick125 | I might steal your idea and make something like that :D |
| 06:58.11 | QBFreak | I'll use one internal for the interface, the other will be available |
| 06:58.15 | nick125 | muwhahaha |
| 06:58.39 | QBFreak | go right ahead, as long as I don't have to cut down the steel backplane from full ITX to mini-ITX |
| 06:58.46 | QBFreak | that was not fun |
| 06:58.51 | nick125 | ouch |
| 06:59.06 | nick125 | are you gonna put a HD in it or use NAS? |
| 06:59.32 | QBFreak | I didn't realize it was so sturdy when I picked it out, the upside is it came with the bracket for the PCI slots |
| 06:59.39 | QBFreak | NAS |
| 06:59.40 | nick125 | I would think that something smart with a read-only CF card, then, a ram disk layered over that |
| 06:59.43 | nick125 | would be best |
| 06:59.58 | QBFreak | I was gonna stick a crappy little HDD in it for booting |
| 07:00.05 | QBFreak | since I happen to have one on hand |
| 07:00.14 | nick125 | then, cache the music in ram (like, the next 2 songs or so, depending on size) |
| 07:00.26 | QBFreak | 2.5GB is plenty for a lightweight linux system |
| 07:00.44 | findlay | geexbox might work? |
| 07:00.44 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, make it solid-state |
| 07:00.47 | nick125 | you oculd strip it down to fit on a 1GB card or so |
| 07:00.50 | xbmodder_lappy | and give it vacuum tubes |
| 07:01.01 | QBFreak | nick125: they cost money :p |
| 07:01.02 | xbmodder_lappy | you gotta have vacuum tubes |
| 07:01.07 | nick125 | QBFreak: not too much though |
| 07:01.11 | nick125 | like, $40 or so |
| 07:01.13 | QBFreak | I was hoping to spend little-to-nothing and already put in a bit |
| 07:01.25 | QBFreak | yeah, thats less than I make in a day :p |
| 07:01.29 | QBFreak | err more |
| 07:01.36 | findlay | QBFreak: these projects always turn out that way (: |
| 07:01.41 | QBFreak | don't I know it |
| 07:01.46 | nick125 | I'm gonna load up inkscape on my lappy and draw up some designs for the case |
| 07:02.04 | nick125 | I want it to flt in as well to a bookshelf as possible |
| 07:02.18 | QBFreak | I'm gonna hafta find an FM tuner at some point |
| 07:02.54 | nick125 | QBFreak: I might see if I can get supplies for my own little project, but, I'm sure that we can share information, and, some of the software I would write, I would OSS it, etc |
| 07:03.00 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, get one of these: http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/gigabyte-iram/index.x?pg=1 |
| 07:03.02 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 07:03.43 | nick125 | I might write something small and smart that does caching of songs and such in ram |
| 07:03.46 | nick125 | like..smart caching |
| 07:03.53 | nick125 | it takes the songs that are played the most and caches them |
| 07:04.13 | nick125 | you can go a far way with 256MB of ram or so |
| 07:04.14 | QBFreak | nick125: 90% of the time I suspect I'll have it on random :) |
| 07:04.30 | nick125 | use 128MB for the base core, then use the rest for caching |
| 07:05.19 | QBFreak | xbmodder_lappy: the board I have (it was lying around doing nothing) doesn't have SATA |
| 07:05.38 | QBFreak | and as I stated, I'm trying not to spend any more |
| 07:05.57 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, I was joking |
| 07:06.00 | QBFreak | I put a fair amount into the interface already |
| 07:06.56 | QBFreak | that thing looks cool though :) |
| 07:09.14 | QBFreak | reminds me of the ISA SIMM memory expander I have somewhere |
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| 07:15.12 | nick125_lappy | mmm |
| 07:18.04 | nick125_lappy | I'm thinking of using a VIA nano-itx board |
| 07:18.26 | QBFreak | I went with an old gateway system that happened to be the right size :) |
| 07:18.40 | QBFreak | it actually gave me the idea |
| 07:19.39 | nick125_lappy | nano-itx is soo expensive though.. |
| 07:19.51 | nick125_lappy | $400 for 1ghz |
| 07:19.55 | QBFreak | yikes |
| 07:20.25 | nick125_lappy | 533mhz seems good though |
| 07:20.41 | nick125_lappy | mini-itx: 90 bucks |
| 07:21.14 | QBFreak | yeah, I've got a 700Mhz celeron, I figure its plenty for playing audio |
| 07:21.28 | nick125_lappy | 533 would probably work the best |
| 07:21.30 | nick125_lappy | plus, its cheap |
| 07:21.59 | nick125_lappy | 170 if I wanted 1.5ghz |
| 07:22.16 | nick125_lappy | 800mhz for 99 |
| 07:22.34 | nick125_lappy | but it has a fan |
| 07:22.38 | nick125_lappy | not optimal for audio |
| 07:22.46 | nick125_lappy | fanless 600mhz for $128 |
| 07:23.06 | QBFreak | mine uses the PS fan for the CPU |
| 07:23.35 | nick125_lappy | mmm |
| 07:23.45 | nick125_lappy | worlds smallest PSU |
| 07:23.52 | nick125_lappy | $55 though |
| 07:23.54 | QBFreak | which means I need to mount the PS in the same spot relatively |
| 07:24.04 | QBFreak | but it fits perfectly there under the CD |
| 07:24.36 | nick125_lappy | this would be cool... |
| 07:24.38 | QBFreak | cutting the PS mounting hole will be fun, I can do the other cuts on a band saw, but not htat one |
| 07:25.07 | nick125_lappy | I was thinking of making the case look sorta like wood, but, it would be plastic or metal |
| 07:25.59 | nick125_lappy | it shouldn't require a display, etc |
| 07:26.28 | nick125_lappy | so, it doesn't need a mouse or keyboard input |
| 07:26.33 | QBFreak | but a nice VFD would look awesome, you've got to admit that |
| 07:26.45 | QBFreak | ah, you mean monitor |
| 07:26.52 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 07:26.55 | QBFreak | yeah, headless is the way to go |
| 07:26.57 | nick125_lappy | should've clarified it |
| 07:27.41 | QBFreak | new VFDs are 'spensive though, I paid about as much for parts to drive mine, but they double as the entire button interface as well |
| 07:28.00 | nick125_lappy | $110 here for 4 line |
| 07:28.27 | QBFreak | I spent $75+ for interface parts, already had a custom VFD in the stereo |
| 07:28.47 | QBFreak | its not one I can put whatever on, but I figure if it worked for a stereo before, it should work now :) |
| 07:28.58 | nick125_lappy | $89 for a 2 line |
| 07:29.18 | QBFreak | do those have any interface on them? parallel? |
| 07:29.25 | nick125_lappy | USB or serial |
| 07:29.30 | QBFreak | ah cool |
| 07:30.22 | QBFreak | I've got one internal serial port, but I plan to use USB for the interface, bought a device that does USB to TTL level parallel (not PC parallel port) |
| 07:30.22 | nick125_lappy | $65 for a small 2 line |
| 07:30.48 | QBFreak | with linux drivers that are supposed to be really easy to use |
| 07:30.55 | nick125_lappy | 2 lines aren't enough though |
| 07:31.27 | QBFreak | you'll most likely want to be able to see it from across a room, that might be a factor in display size |
| 07:31.41 | QBFreak | well, not from scratch I suppose |
| 07:31.53 | QBFreak | for me it was, the cutout for the display was only so big :) |
| 07:32.50 | nick125_lappy | http://www.matrixorbital.com/product_info.php?pName=lcd2041gw&cName=lcd-character-lcds |
| 07:32.53 | nick125_lappy | thats what I currently got |
| 07:32.57 | nick125_lappy | so, it would probably use it |
| 07:32.57 | brac | [Matrix Orbital Serial LCD & USB LCD modules, Serial Graphic LCD Interface, Serial VFD & USB VFD modules, Serial PLED & USB PLED displays and Parallel LCD displays] |
| 07:33.02 | nick125_lappy | might ugprade to a VFD later though |
| 07:33.19 | nick125_lappy | maybe some kind of remote or something would be itneresting.. |
| 07:33.43 | QBFreak | ~LIRC |
| 07:33.52 | ibot | hmm... lirc is Linux Infrared Remote Control at http://lirc.org/ or http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/ConsumerIR intimate 2.4.7 module and software http://intimate.handhelds.org/disconnect/ |
| 07:33.55 | nick125_lappy | yeah, getting the remote itself though |
| 07:34.08 | QBFreak | ah, I've got a few lying around :) |
| 07:34.19 | QBFreak | I've also got an ATI RF remote |
| 07:34.40 | QBFreak | I'll most likely use my universal remote, seeing as the one for the stereo broke |
| 07:34.57 | QBFreak | either that or the one for my tuner card, but it isn't designed for audio at all :) |
| 07:35.00 | nick125_lappy | now..how should the device be oriented? it should be horizontal of course..dunno :/ |
| 07:35.33 | QBFreak | my board is vertical, mostly because thats where the mounting holes where, either direction would have (just) fit |
| 07:35.54 | QBFreak | actually no, its taller than wide, horizontal would not have worked |
| 07:36.02 | nick125_lappy | hwo are you gonna fit the display horizontally though? |
| 07:36.11 | nick125_lappy | or is it gonna be really wide? |
| 07:36.24 | QBFreak | oooh, I thought you meant the motherboard etc |
| 07:36.43 | nick125_lappy | well, I sorta am.. |
| 07:37.14 | nick125_lappy | but, the way the mobo, etc is oriented would sort of effect the orientation of the display |
| 07:37.35 | QBFreak | depends on the size of the case I suppose |
| 07:38.15 | nick125_lappy | what kind of cd rom drive? |
| 07:38.55 | nick125_lappy | I'm thinking this shouldn't have a cdrom drive though..dunno |
| 07:38.59 | QBFreak | I had a three-disc changer in the stereo (that no longer works), it had a single fold-down door for all three trays, a drive fits prefectly back there :) |
| 07:39.26 | QBFreak | right-hand side of the picture, on the dresser, thats the victim :) http://pictures.qbfreak.net/v/around/myroom/08Sep2005/Pictures+059.jpg.html |
| 07:39.46 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:40.03 | nick125_lappy | what I'm looking at woudl be really small |
| 07:40.27 | QBFreak | I belive the front dimensions are something like 12x10.5 |
| 07:40.39 | QBFreak | maybe not quite that tall |
| 07:40.53 | QBFreak | I forget which should come first, height or width... |
| 07:41.25 | nick125_lappy | height i think |
| 07:41.37 | QBFreak | I got it right, yay :) |
| 07:45.08 | nick125_lappy | I'm thinking this box should be really small, so, I don't think a cd rom drive would do much good |
| 07:45.14 | nick125_lappy | since it is mainly gonna use NAS anyways |
| 07:45.38 | QBFreak | I was going to give it the ability to rip CDs for me |
| 07:45.53 | nick125_lappy | I was thinking of that too.. |
| 07:46.03 | QBFreak | put it in, push a button, no worries :) |
| 07:46.08 | nick125_lappy | nah |
| 07:46.12 | nick125_lappy | put it in, no worries |
| 07:46.13 | nick125_lappy | :) |
| 07:46.34 | QBFreak | that too, I wanted the option to play it though |
| 07:46.49 | nick125_lappy | i think using the line out that comes with the VIA board would be...good enough |
| 07:47.00 | QBFreak | perhaps a delay before ripping, or check the current play mode (NAS vs CD vs Cassette) |
| 07:47.20 | QBFreak | oh yeah, this board has three internal audio headers, its wonderful |
| 07:47.39 | QBFreak | one for CD, one for cassette, and I'll must likely put RCA jacks on the third |
| 07:48.03 | nick125_lappy | basically, I'm gonna make a custom little cable adapter that connects from the board to the back of the case |
| 07:48.29 | QBFreak | should be pretty easy |
| 07:48.48 | nick125_lappy | basically, all the connectors on the back of the device are gonna be more or less custom (I'm not gonna just mount hte mobo) |
| 07:49.04 | QBFreak | but thats more work :) |
| 07:49.19 | nick125_lappy | USB, keyboard/mouse, and video are gonna be covered up under a little door |
| 07:49.33 | QBFreak | in my case I didn't have room to hide the rear of the motherboard if I wanted to plug anything into it |
| 07:49.42 | QBFreak | the whole thing was too shallow :) |
| 07:49.42 | nick125_lappy | the serial port won't be exported as it will be used by the LCD |
| 07:49.56 | QBFreak | thats where a header is nice :) |
| 07:50.23 | nick125_lappy | another nice thing about this mini-itx board is that it has no fan |
| 07:51.28 | nick125_lappy | for HTTPd, might use something small like twisted that integrates with the daemon |
| 07:51.40 | nick125_lappy | or, might make a small communication protocol and use a cgi script and lighttpd |
| 07:52.44 | nick125_lappy | this actually woulnd't be too expensive.. |
| 07:52.54 | nick125_lappy | it woudl be completely NAS controlled |
| 07:53.30 | QBFreak | I was going to try and put a lot of the logic in the stereo so it could run independantly for CDs and streaming audio |
| 07:53.45 | nick125_lappy | yeah |
| 07:53.56 | nick125_lappy | it would mainly pull audio from NAS and streaming |
| 07:54.02 | nick125_lappy | I might use mpd though |
| 07:54.19 | QBFreak | I think that might be what I decided on |
| 07:54.39 | QBFreak | I seem to have lost the bookmark, I suspect it never made it over from windows |
| 07:54.41 | nick125_lappy | however, I couldn't do the caching idea I wanted to though |
| 07:54.44 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:55.06 | nick125_lappy | http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.13/it.A/id.417/.f < cheap, small |
| 07:55.56 | QBFreak | wow |
| 07:56.16 | nick125_lappy | plus, it would allow us to make this really small |
| 07:56.45 | nick125_lappy | there won't be much space for ventilation though |
| 07:56.55 | nick125_lappy | and, there won't be any fans in it |
| 07:57.31 | QBFreak | 12v 120W, thats what, 1210A? |
| 07:57.34 | QBFreak | errrrrrr |
| 07:57.39 | QBFreak | 10A on the input side? |
| 07:57.41 | nick125_lappy | what good is a nice NAS stereo if it generates 50db of noise from the fans |
| 07:57.47 | QBFreak | heh |
| 07:58.56 | QBFreak | their doc doesn't say |
| 07:59.03 | nick125_lappy | i would guess the 8.5A would be good enough though.. |
| 07:59.19 | QBFreak | so long as you're not maxing it out, yeah |
| 07:59.51 | nick125_lappy | 10A peak |
| 08:00.06 | nick125_lappy | 7A max |
| 08:00.09 | nick125_lappy | according to the docs |
| 08:00.14 | nick125_lappy | if I read them right |
| 08:03.36 | nick125_lappy | http://resources.mini-box.com/online/picoPSU-120/images_pico/win_front11.jpg |
| 08:05.42 | nick125_lappy | according to this calculators, it uses 1.78 amps.. |
| 08:05.46 | QBFreak | I'll have to keep that in mind if I ever try to put togetehr a PC for the car |
| 08:06.09 | QBFreak | heh, a little off from what I thought |
| 08:06.33 | nick125_lappy | http://resources.mini-box.com/online/powersimulator/powersimulator.html |
| 08:06.41 | nick125_lappy | 21.4 watts |
| 08:06.59 | QBFreak | aha, I was mixing watts up with something else |
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| 08:08.19 | nick125_lappy | eww |
| 08:08.32 | nick125_lappy | on that 8.5A power adapter: - Has a small fan |
| 08:09.05 | QBFreak | ack |
| 08:09.09 | nick125_lappy | I *think* we would be safe to use a 6.6A power adapter (80W) |
| 08:09.24 | QBFreak | I've got some nice (monsterous) 22VAC adapters somewhere, no idea what they're rated at |
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| 08:10.24 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 08:10.35 | nick125_lappy | one thing is that this is supposed to be *small* |
| 08:10.49 | QBFreak | they've got enough cord on each end to hide them anywhere :) |
| 08:10.59 | nick125_lappy | everything is small |
| 08:11.03 | nick125_lappy | except performance :) |
| 08:11.23 | QBFreak | note to self: don't give the NAS disk-intensive tasks |
| 08:11.24 | nick125_lappy | 600mhz shoudl be good for audio decoding |
| 08:11.30 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 08:11.31 | nick125_lappy | of course |
| 08:11.43 | QBFreak | its chugging away doing a twiki build and my music keeps going away |
| 08:12.14 | nick125_lappy | heres what I'm thinking of: make the web interface where you give it a NFS or AoE URL, and it will mount it and add it to the db |
| 08:12.48 | nick125_lappy | how it would add it to the mpd db is that it would symlink it to the mpd music directory |
| 08:13.08 | QBFreak | or mount straight into it |
| 08:13.11 | nick125_lappy | or that |
| 08:13.51 | nick125_lappy | and, in the interface, you can choose if you want it automounted at startup, etc |
| 08:14.22 | nick125_lappy | (the only time it shuts off is if you unplug it) |
| 08:14.32 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 08:14.42 | QBFreak | I don't intend to shut mine down often :) |
| 08:14.47 | nick125_lappy | any power buttons, etc, will just turn off the display |
| 08:14.53 | nick125_lappy | and stop the music |
| 08:15.09 | nick125_lappy | put it in power saver mode mayve |
| 08:15.11 | nick125_lappy | *maybe |
| 08:15.24 | QBFreak | I was thinking about that, wondering if there was one it could come out of relatively quickly |
| 08:15.34 | QBFreak | and reliably |
| 08:16.08 | nick125_lappy | I would think it would shut off the ethernet/wireless interface, turn off the display, try to reduce CPU usage |
| 08:16.19 | QBFreak | that would work too |
| 08:16.40 | nick125_lappy | it would take like..3 seconds to shut off, 3 seconds to power on |
| 08:16.58 | QBFreak | sounds about like the stereo in the living room |
| 08:17.11 | QBFreak | turn it on and the display flashes for several seconds before it comes up |
| 08:17.29 | QBFreak | whole thing is flakey as all heck now |
| 08:17.55 | QBFreak | 50% of the time pressing a button yeilds a different result than intended |
| 08:18.25 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 08:18.35 | nick125_lappy | it would be a stereo, yah |
| 08:19.12 | nick125_lappy | compact, featureful, powerful, cheap |
| 08:19.15 | QBFreak | the remote doesn't always work for things beyond turning it on/off, volume and switching modes |
| 08:19.26 | QBFreak | with emphasis on the cheap |
| 08:19.44 | QBFreak | my dad got an extended warrenty, got a lot more than his money's worth out of it |
| 08:20.01 | QBFreak | something in the disc changer assembly kept breaking |
| 08:20.18 | nick125_lappy | I tihnk this would only cost around $200 for the mobo and PSU/adapter |
| 08:20.43 | nick125_lappy | get a cheap stick of 256MB ddr266 from newegg |
| 08:21.19 | nick125_lappy | if I wanted openbox and only 128M, I could get it for $9.99 :D |
| 08:21.37 | QBFreak | wow |
| 08:22.18 | nick125_lappy | $20 for 256MB |
| 08:22.43 | nick125_lappy | 64-96Mb should be good enough though |
| 08:23.02 | nick125_lappy | 128 maybe? |
| 08:23.07 | nick125_lappy | can NFS do caching? |
| 08:23.52 | nick125_lappy | if so, we would need the extra ram for a small cache |
| 08:24.23 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, AFS if you want caching |
| 08:25.47 | nick125_lappy | QBFreak, it's $20 for a 1GB CF card btw |
| 08:26.29 | nick125_lappy | and $20 for the adapters |
| 08:26.30 | QBFreak | seriously? |
| 08:26.52 | nick125_lappy | 45 for 2GB |
| 08:27.00 | nick125_lappy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820178049 |
| 08:27.25 | QBFreak | wow nice |
| 08:27.27 | nick125_lappy | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820141053 < 2gb |
| 08:27.44 | nick125_lappy | http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/sc.8/category.14/it.A/id.294/.f |
| 08:28.03 | nick125_lappy | just plug that in the IDE slot |
| 08:28.05 | nick125_lappy | and tada |
| 08:28.15 | QBFreak | yeah, I've seen those |
| 08:28.49 | nick125_lappy | they have a slightly larger one that has a 4 pin connector |
| 08:29.00 | nick125_lappy | that makes things easier |
| 08:29.52 | nick125_lappy | I think a 2" x 4" board would fit :) |
| 08:29.52 | QBFreak | seperate power is required? |
| 08:29.59 | nick125_lappy | yeah....:/ |
| 08:30.19 | QBFreak | odd, this one doesn't appear to have any: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9733151574&category=41993#ebayphotohosting |
| 08:30.29 | QBFreak | err, ignore the #ebayphotohosting |
| 08:31.34 | nick125_lappy | yeah, I tihnk I found one that doesnt require it |
| 08:32.14 | nick125_lappy | i dunno |
| 08:32.26 | nick125_lappy | nvm, it requires one |
| 08:34.15 | nick125_lappy | I think the $40 for solid-state storage would be worth it thogh |
| 08:34.20 | nick125_lappy | *though |
| 08:34.46 | QBFreak | but I'm cheap, if I can get a better deal somewhere else I will :) |
| 08:35.01 | nick125_lappy | you cheap bastard |
| 08:35.02 | nick125_lappy | :P |
| 08:36.18 | nick125_lappy | so, $260, plus cost of the case itself |
| 08:36.27 | QBFreak | "A Type 2 slot would also have let you use IBM's tiny Microdrives, jewel-like hard drives in the CompactFlash form factor. They now come in capacities up to 1Gb, and cost considerably less per megabyte than Flash cards." |
| 08:36.46 | QBFreak | dunno if that is true or not (cheaper) |
| 08:37.00 | nick125_lappy | $20 for a GB.....hmm |
| 08:37.17 | nick125_lappy | lets see micro drive |
| 08:37.47 | QBFreak | bed time, laters |
| 08:37.59 | nick125_lappy | later |
| 08:38.16 | nick125_lappy | 1GB microdrive == $130 |
| 08:38.22 | QBFreak | yikes! |
| 08:38.43 | nick125_lappy | 6GB for $200 though |
| 08:39.22 | nick125_lappy | still really expensive |
| 08:39.31 | nick125_lappy | 1GB should be enough though |
| 08:39.57 | nick125_lappy | for small linux install, and all the music daemons |
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| 08:42.20 | nick125_lappy | im gonna go to bed too |
| 08:42.20 | nick125_lappy | night |
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| 13:29.04 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 13:29.20 | sjansen | ha! |
| 13:29.28 | sjansen | bot war!!! |
| 13:36.59 | tensai | ah, what a lovely way to wake up: getting paged that the email system is under attack |
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| 14:07.17 | redbeard1 | tensai: fun for you |
| 14:07.38 | redbeard1 | blogger.com is having problems too |
| 14:11.31 | goozbach | somebody ban him |
| 14:11.41 | goozbach | in or out |
| 14:11.48 | goozbach | you're letting flies in |
| 14:12.46 | goozbach | harleypig: I found out why that code yesterday wasn't working |
| 14:13.15 | goozbach | it appears that Class::Struct is not an inheritable package |
| 14:13.39 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 14:14.13 | goozbach | hmm.. should I? |
| 14:14.30 | *** mode/#utah [-o goozbach] by goozbach |
| 14:15.46 | ScytheBlade1 | goozbach, I doubt he'd feel bad. Spamming an entire page of join/quit... on the flip side, it looks like it's over |
| 14:16.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Give him one last chance ;) |
| 14:18.03 | goozbach | and it's not entirely his fault his connection sucks |
| 14:18.22 | *** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@68.249.115.150) |
| 14:19.32 | goozbach | WTH? |
| 14:19.36 | goozbach | wiskey tango hotel? |
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| 14:19.46 | goozbach | WTH? |
| 14:19.56 | goozbach | sjansen: problems? |
| 14:20.37 | goozbach | oh boy |
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| 14:20.57 | goozbach | I bet that's just xchat re-attaching and dtaching |
| 14:21.16 | goozbach | he's probally up in front of a class blathering on about something beardish |
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| 14:21.24 | goozbach | ok, gonna nip it in the bud |
| 14:21.36 | *** mode/#utah [+o goozbach] by ChanServ |
| 14:23.21 | redbeard1 | what's wrong with beardish things? |
| 14:23.34 | *** mode/#utah [+b *!sjansen@68.249.115.150] by goozbach |
| 14:23.50 | goozbach | nothing I was just trying to make excuses for him |
| 14:24.02 | goozbach | I'm gonna turn on my invoker. |
| 14:24.26 | goozbach | if sjansen msg's anyone trying to get back into the channel, say invoke goozbach |
| 14:24.32 | goozbach | and I'll come running |
| 14:24.38 | redbeard1 | k |
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| 14:28.05 | goozbach | ~say invoke goozbach |
| 14:28.07 | ibot | invoke goozbach |
| 14:31.17 | redbeard1 | saw the omen last night |
| 14:31.42 | goozbach | and? |
| 14:31.47 | goozbach | over hyped? |
| 14:31.56 | redbeard1 | it was more suspenseful than scary |
| 14:32.07 | redbeard1 | a couple parts were a little graphic |
| 14:32.32 | redbeard1 | and most of our theatre spent a good bit of it laughing. the hallmark of a good horror movie. |
| 14:32.52 | elg | redbeard1: did you make some devil's food cake yesterday? |
| 14:33.09 | redbeard1 | elg: had i thought of it, i would have |
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| 14:33.34 | redbeard1 | my wife was telling me she had a friend that had to induce labor yesterday. they named the kid damien. |
| 14:33.49 | ^Migs^ | how delightfully unoriginal |
| 14:33.55 | ^Migs^ | I bet a bunch of kids were named Damien yesterday |
| 14:33.59 | redbeard1 | yeah |
| 14:34.15 | ^Migs^ | why not be totally sacreligious, and name the kid "Jesus"? |
| 14:34.22 | redbeard1 | and a bunch of kids are gonna be really mad at their parents in 10 years when they find out about the movie |
| 14:34.31 | ^Migs^ | no they're not |
| 14:34.40 | redbeard1 | i'm sure a few will |
| 14:34.49 | redbeard1 | some will think it's cool |
| 14:34.54 | RyanE | never knew a good kid named damien, regardless of the birthdate. |
| 14:34.55 | ^Migs^ | kids who are named after some current event rarely complain in later life |
| 14:35.36 | redbeard1 | i have a sister named arwen. she was born a good 20+ years before it became cliche |
| 14:36.00 | goozbach | ^Migs^: sure about that? ask Cuban Missle Crisis... |
| 14:37.04 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 14:37.17 | ^Migs^ | <Biff> BELGRADE -- A Serb man set his car on fire when he heard how much he had to pay to reclaim it after it was towed away for illegal parking. "He went to his car, took a few things then opened the hood and set the engine on fire," an attendant said. "When it was well ablaze he got back on his bike and rode off." |
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| 14:38.02 | redbeard1 | anyway, i think the best part of the movie was when one of the priests got nailed (because that's not cliche either) and my wife laughed out loud, which caused the rest of the theatre to break out in laughter too while my wife covered her mouth and looked really embarrassed |
| 14:38.32 | ^Migs^ | people shouldn't get embarassed so easily |
| 14:38.47 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why people always laugh at me when I fart in public. Everyone does it. |
| 14:38.51 | redbeard1 | heh |
| 14:38.58 | goozbach | hmm |
| 14:39.01 | ^Migs^ | natural bodily function |
| 14:39.04 | goozbach | I guess I didn't ban him |
| 14:39.15 | goozbach | ^Migs^: girls don't fart |
| 14:39.23 | goozbach | ask Dr. Demento |
| 14:39.27 | ^Migs^ | because they're too self-conscious to let it out |
| 14:39.31 | RyanE | some are anything but natural. |
| 14:39.31 | ^Migs^ | it's a sign of their own conceit |
| 14:39.44 | ^Migs^ | I just sit in my cubicle all day farting it up |
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| 14:39.51 | goozbach | die!!! |
| 14:39.54 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 14:40.00 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.02 | ^Migs^ | ~lart mheath |
| 14:40.06 | *** mode/#utah [+b *!*n=sjansen@68.249.115.*] by goozbach |
| 14:40.27 | goozbach | sjansen: if you can read this, fix your connection |
| 14:40.54 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!sjansen@68.249.115.150] by goozbach |
| 14:40.55 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 14:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, uh |
| 14:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ... that didn't do anything |
| 14:41.16 | ScytheBlade1 | You need to re-ban him for when he reconnects |
| 14:41.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That way his auto-rejoin doesn't kick in on successive retries |
| 14:41.38 | goozbach | ScytheBlade1: just watch |
| 14:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | If you're sure |
| 14:41.51 | goozbach | my previous ban didnt' work |
| 14:41.58 | goozbach | I was just getting rid of it |
| 14:42.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 14:42.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Good point ;) |
| 14:42.14 | goozbach | the new ban should |
| 14:42.33 | goozbach | *!sjansen@68.249.115.150 vs *!*n=sjansen@68.249.115.* |
| 14:42.43 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
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| 15:05.48 | levi | Morning. |
| 15:06.37 | goozbach | morning |
| 15:06.50 | goozbach | welcome to the new sjansen-less #utah |
| 15:07.02 | goozbach | for the time being |
| 15:07.04 | goozbach | :) |
| 15:07.07 | levi | Where'd sjansen go? |
| 15:07.12 | goozbach | I banned him |
| 15:07.19 | levi | Cool! |
| 15:07.21 | levi | ;) |
| 15:07.41 | goozbach | the goozbachian regime begins |
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| 15:12.16 | goozbach | s/regime/reign/ |
| 15:14.34 | maquis | goozbach: regime was better |
| 15:15.20 | bonez39 | hello? |
| 15:15.24 | bonez39 | I lost my network connection....how do I restore it...without rebooting? |
| 15:15.57 | maquis | bonez39: you mean just have dhcp run again? |
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| 15:36.56 | goozbach | bonez39: /etc/init.d/network restart |
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| 15:40.54 | [Utah]tristanbob | is there a built-in client for remote desktop to another ubuntu install? |
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| 15:57.54 | WoodsDog | tristanbob try rdesktop |
| 15:58.11 | WoodsDog | if not there, apt-get install rdesktop |
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| 16:20.34 | bonez39 | maquis: my network connection is fully restored, but I rebooted to achieve that....despite realizing I can get that done without rebooting....I just can't recall what to run to restore the connections |
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| 16:38.36 | macnewbold | sometimes you can run dhclient to redo the DHCP part, I think |
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| 16:49.25 | herlo | http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/sr=1-2/qid=1149698927/ref=sr_1_2/602-4475864-6428619?%5Fencoding=UTF8&asin=B000A3A4JO |
| 16:49.45 | findlay | what's that? |
| 16:58.25 | [Utah]tristanbob | does sed understand look behind? |
| 16:58.54 | [Utah]tristanbob | WoodsDog: I think the default remote-desktop in Ubuntu is vnc based |
| 16:59.08 | [Utah]tristanbob | is there a vnc client gui installed by default in ubuntu? |
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| 17:30.57 | goozbach | buhaha? |
| 17:32.55 | redbeard1 | jayce is about to post a photo on his blog, of the TRS-80 we replaced his keyboard with |
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| 17:40.53 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/jayce/2006/06/07/Messing_With_Harley_s_Mind |
| 17:41.10 | Jayce^ | ok folks, have some fun, leave him a comment, since it'll be up on his screen when he gets back |
| 17:42.08 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:46.03 | goozbach | #utah'ed |
| 17:47.46 | Jayce^ | ? |
| 17:48.19 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you want to unban sjansen, say's he's "fixed" now :) |
| 17:48.30 | macnewbold | ouch, sounds painful |
| 17:49.22 | macnewbold | sjansen is probably pretty grumpy since he got "fixed" |
| 17:49.59 | redbeard1 | invoke goozbach |
| 17:50.43 | goozbach | YEEES |
| 17:50.53 | *** mode/#utah [-b *!*n=sjansen@68.249.115.*] by goozbach |
| 17:51.14 | goozbach | unbanned |
| 17:51.33 | goozbach | ohh the power of the invoker |
| 17:58.24 | goozbach | ?uninvoke #utah |
| 17:58.31 | goozbach | oops |
| 18:12.10 | levi | My Zaurus lives! |
| 18:12.18 | levi | Now to see if I can get the latest OpenZaurus on it. |
| 18:12.56 | goozbach | buhahaha? |
| 18:13.49 | findlay | Tschaikowsky's first symphony is pretty good |
| 18:16.23 | findlay | although I need to make a point to do more sytemmatic study of the late French composers like Debussy, Ravel, Gonoud, Franck, as well as the Russian composers like Glinka, Glasinouv, Borodin, Rimsky-Korsakov, etc. |
| 18:17.13 | findlay | Stravinsky, Prokofiev, and Shostakovich |
| 18:17.36 | findlay | ibot: I'm glad you're remembering all this for me |
| 18:23.49 | QBFreak | ibot: findlay is crazy |
| 18:23.51 | ibot | ...but findlay is already something else... |
| 18:23.57 | QBFreak | ibot: findlay is also crazy |
| 18:23.58 | ibot | QBFreak: okay |
| 18:24.04 | QBFreak | ibot: findlay |
| 18:24.05 | ibot | hmm... findlay is wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock, or ibot is wierd, or asking too much of you, or crazy |
| 18:24.34 | beandog | Alright, Thunderbird is officially driving me insane. Anyone got any recommendations for another gui email client? |
| 18:24.41 | QBFreak | gmail! |
| 18:24.59 | findlay | kmail, evolution |
| 18:25.09 | findlay | mutt |
| 18:28.26 | Jayce^ | kmail... |
| 18:28.28 | beandog | Why in the world does evolution pull in the data server too? |
| 18:29.14 | beandog | ah well, Ill give em both a try. |
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| 18:34.33 | elg | beandog: mutt |
| 18:37.10 | scottj | anyone know of a good diagnostic tool (free) for checking hard drive write/read speed? a windows prog would be easiest, but a good bootcd would work also. |
| 18:37.36 | scottj | I just ran dell's and after more than an hour all it told me was pass. |
| 18:38.06 | findlay | hdparm |
| 18:38.39 | findlay | hdparm -tT /dev/sda |
| 18:39.16 | scottj | so use knoppix? |
| 18:39.21 | findlay | sure |
| 18:43.13 | goozbach | hdparm |
| 18:43.28 | goozbach | bonnie++ as well |
| 18:45.57 | elg | sigh. I guess I'll learn templates |
| 18:46.08 | elg | I've avoided learning how to define c++ templates thus far |
| 18:46.37 | goozbach | ~ha ha |
| 18:46.38 | ibot | bite me, bitch |
| 18:46.52 | goozbach | ohh feisty |
| 18:46.56 | elg | ibot doesn't think too highly of you |
| 18:47.05 | goozbach | not today |
| 18:47.08 | goozbach | ~botsnack |
| 18:47.08 | ibot | :), goozbach |
| 18:47.20 | findlay | not too hard, but the syntax gets ugly, especially if you define the member functions outside of the class header |
| 18:47.20 | goozbach | ~appease ibot |
| 18:48.03 | findlay | and if you use templates in your template arguments |
| 18:48.18 | goozbach | "fixed" harump! |
| 18:49.35 | beandog | Why does "less" parse the XML |
| 18:49.37 | beandog | That is just .... odd. |
| 18:49.46 | beandog | er, HTML. |
| 18:49.54 | elg | are you on something? |
| 18:50.08 | beandog | Yes, but I cant share, so dont ask for some. |
| 18:50.31 | elg | check if your less is aliased or wrapped |
| 18:50.33 | findlay | I always use `lynx --dump $whatever` for rendering HTML mail into text |
| 18:50.46 | elg | my less don't do no parsing |
| 18:50.50 | beandog | yah no aliases |
| 18:50.54 | beandog | Just an index.html with a DTD |
| 18:51.00 | beandog | less index.html doesnt show the text |
| 18:51.10 | findlay | less has gotten a few features lately |
| 18:51.18 | beandog | very weird. |
| 18:51.27 | goozbach | less --version? |
| 18:51.44 | elg | do less version numbers progress by getting smaller? |
| 18:52.11 | findlay | no, there's no major.minor, it's just incremented |
| 18:52.14 | beandog | 394 |
| 18:52.37 | beandog | ah, theres a workaround |
| 18:52.41 | beandog | cat index.html | less |
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| 18:53.52 | sjansen | Oof, what a classroom. |
| 18:54.12 | elg | ~hang sjansen |
| 18:55.11 | findlay | as long as they let you listen to Tschaikowsky |
| 18:55.45 | sjansen | ~punch elg |
| 18:55.46 | ibot | ACTION hits elg like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 18:56.53 | goozbach | ~threaten sjansen |
| 18:57.04 | goozbach | sjansen: do tell, how crazy of a classroom is it |
| 18:57.08 | sjansen | ~cower before goozbach |
| 18:57.35 | elg | goozbach: it's the kind of classroom that makes you quit and rejoin a lot |
| 18:57.48 | sjansen | Well, for starters my "network issues" this morning were caused by two machines getting the same IP address. |
| 18:58.50 | sjansen | One was my laptop, and of course I was busy lecturing and troubleshooting so I never touched my laptop. |
| 18:59.13 | sjansen | Finally I had a chance to sit down, and suddenly one of the issues was crystal clear. |
| 18:59.31 | goozbach | where you at this week? |
| 18:59.49 | sjansen | Meanwhile, we've had hardware problems. (Not enough RAM.) And I'm still not sure about the classroom's switch. |
| 19:00.51 | sjansen | Ethernet cables keep coming loose. Had a couple of random freezes. Plus the normal debugging when students get the lab close but not quite right. |
| 19:01.45 | sjansen | Oh, and of course I got lost on my way to the training center because I was given the wrong address. Then the install didn't go well and class was slowed down... |
| 19:01.50 | sjansen | goozbach: Indianapolis, IN |
| 19:02.46 | sjansen | Yay, no collisions. At least it really is a switch, not a dying hub. |
| 19:03.08 | goozbach | FUN!!! |
| 19:04.08 | findlay | what if you re routed all traffic through the light switch? |
| 19:04.25 | sjansen | Did I mention that I also got lost finding my hotel? Google maps sent me on a crazy route ending in a dead end. The hotel was on the other side of the dead end. |
| 19:04.29 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 19:04.40 | sjansen | Puts hair on the chest, right? |
| 19:04.52 | elg | no, this is the stuff that puts hair on your foot |
| 19:04.55 | elg | there's a difference |
| 19:05.52 | sjansen | Shoot, I was hoping that eventually I wouldn't need a pillow when flying. I was hoping I'd be able to just lean forward a little and use my chest hair instead. |
| 19:07.05 | elg | keep up those flexibility excercises and it might still work out |
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| 19:17.21 | harleypig | http://taint.org/2006/05/27/002153a.html |
| 19:17.44 | harleypig | points to a nytimes article about the rise of Neveah for a girls name |
| 19:17.52 | bonez39 | how does one override what udev does? my palm conduit at /dev/ttyUSB1 keeps getting hosed, I assume, by udev |
| 19:18.03 | harleypig | all because some stoopid christain rocker called his daughter that because it's Heaven spelt backwards |
| 19:18.49 | findlay | harleypig: does that make it opposite of Heaven? |
| 19:19.17 | harleypig | :D So these people are raising little anti-angels!!! :D |
| 19:19.29 | findlay | heh |
| 19:26.16 | goozbach | lsegna |
| 19:26.23 | goozbach | oops |
| 19:26.25 | goozbach | slegna |
| 19:28.09 | elg | lleh could pass as a welsh name maybe :) |
| 19:29.15 | herlo | itna-slegna, that's the name of my next child!! |
| 19:29.19 | elg | which is wierder, to name your kid nevaeh or stone? |
| 19:29.22 | elg | or field |
| 19:29.27 | findlay | legna, lived |
| 19:29.30 | herlo | or rock |
| 19:29.47 | elg | my wife worked in a day care, and there really were kids named stone and field |
| 19:29.56 | elg | and a whole bunch of other wierd names |
| 19:30.02 | herlo | I actually considered naming my daughter (should I have one someday) Wylde (last name Savage) |
| 19:30.08 | elg | nevaeh is downright normal compared to that |
| 19:30.13 | findlay | nomead |
| 19:32.59 | sjansen | goozbach: You're going to name your daughter lasagna? |
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| 19:33.19 | findlay | field is got to be better than group or ring |
| 19:34.10 | sjansen | bonez39: Look at /etc/udev. I think Debian uses the old udev config. You're on your own from there. |
| 19:35.28 | elg | name your kid y'all |
| 19:35.53 | herlo | or moot! |
| 19:35.59 | herlo | including the bang |
| 19:36.27 | sjansen | ~ownzer herlo |
| 19:36.36 | Kuyaedz | can you use punctuation in a name? that'd be cool :) |
| 19:36.37 | herlo | y? |
| 19:36.50 | herlo | ~fishslap sjansen |
| 19:36.52 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:37.10 | sjansen | ~hugh herlo |
| 19:37.17 | sjansen | ~whaleslap herlo |
| 19:37.18 | ibot | ACTION beats herlo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:37.33 | herlo | ~cook sjansen |
| 19:37.34 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 19:37.54 | sjansen | ~hugh herlo |
| 19:37.55 | ibot | ACTION watches hugh, the killer whale, body slam herlo |
| 19:38.24 | elg | ~wolverine sjansen |
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| 19:39.27 | bonez39 | sjansen, thanks..... |
| 19:39.43 | spr | Hey, what Utah bank had the phishing attack where they had a legit ssl cert? |
| 19:39.55 | sjansen | Mountain America, IIRC |
| 19:40.24 | spr | thanks. |
| 19:40.56 | sjansen | yup, http://www.thornock.us/wordpress/archives/99 |
| 19:41.58 | goozbach | if I have a son his name is going to be Richard Cabeza |
| 19:42.11 | sjansen | goozbach: That's cruel. |
| 19:42.22 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:43.13 | findlay | RFC(syntax): http://pastebin.com/765934 |
| 19:44.19 | findlay | anyone want to comment on my crazy condition block? |
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| 19:46.06 | harleypig | I've done longer and more complicated o nes |
| 19:46.11 | harleypig | Is that what you were looking for? |
| 19:46.43 | findlay | harleypig: just wondering whether the spacing was helpful for readability |
| 19:47.03 | harleypig | I would line up the ||s, otherwise it looks ok to me. |
| 19:49.16 | jlp_work | findlay: I would use "or" instead of "||" |
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| 19:50.19 | jlp_work | findlay: well, wait, maybe I'm making an assumption about what language you're using |
| 19:51.22 | findlay | language isn't really important, just whether it was OK to do something like that |
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| 19:52.17 | jlp_work | sure, whatever makes it easier for you to visualize the dependancies |
| 19:52.46 | spr | ack, www.beta.lds.org |
| 19:53.10 | findlay | ack? |
| 19:53.24 | findlay | seemed fine to me |
| 19:53.48 | jlp_work | perlstyle suggests putting the ors and ands at the beginning of the line (it suggests that people don't really read the end of the line). I don't usually do that, though |
| 19:54.40 | spr | Pop-up menus -10. |
| 19:54.51 | spr | pop-up search box -20 |
| 19:55.13 | spr | un-needed built-in back button w/ pop-up -30 |
| 19:56.34 | jlp_work | spr: hard to find the link to "stake and ward web sites"... I wouldn't normally think to look under "About the Church". |
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| 20:00.44 | SB1-Work | I work for my dad, doing all of his computer, he runs a real estate law firm |
| 20:01.05 | SB1-Work | All of his lenders (money) send him docs, in one of their 20 different formats |
| 20:01.11 | SB1-Work | .prn, .epl, .idontcare, etc. |
| 20:01.12 | elg | spr: I agree, blech |
| 20:01.34 | SB1-Work | Every single different format has it's own viewer that 1) requires admin rights to install and 2) required admin rights with activex to install! |
| 20:01.36 | elg | however, you'll seee in the location bar that they're not using storyserver anymore, and that's a gooood thing |
| 20:01.47 | elg | well, it's probably good, unless they went with something even lamer |
| 20:01.49 | SB1-Work | (They're not getting admin. Period.) |
| 20:02.01 | SB1-Work | Turns out that *every last one of those docs are just plain postscript*. |
| 20:02.32 | SB1-Work | Some idiot companies wrote five different viewers that ALL required admin and ALL require ActiveX, just to view... wait for it, postscript. |
| 20:02.33 | SB1-Work | -.- |
| 20:05.05 | SB1-Work | "Let's re-invent the wheel that's already been re-invented ten times! And then let's require windows, administrator right, and activex!" "Okay!" |
| 20:05.59 | findlay | ~haha |
| 20:06.01 | ibot | I call that haha |
| 20:06.08 | findlay | ~hahaha |
| 20:06.09 | ibot | hahaha is, like, http://www.shacknews.com//screens.x/iotd//5/thumbs/bsodirony.jpg Win 98 Increased Dependability...NOT |
| 20:06.12 | brac | [Shacknews - Screenshots] |
| 20:06.13 | findlay | ~hahahaha |
| 20:06.14 | ibot | i heard hahahaha is ahahahah |
| 20:06.51 | SB1-Work | I really just want to injure those people who did that |
| 20:08.22 | SB1-Work | So, I'm packaging up GSView for windows, and installing it |
| 20:08.28 | SB1-Work | But holy crap idiots :P |
| 20:11.12 | *** part/#utah Kuyaedz (n=Kuyaedz@kuyaedz.fttp.xmission.com) |
| 20:12.31 | Kuyaedz | anyone know how the crap to setup a network printer in XP? I can't figure it out :) |
| 20:12.38 | Kuyaedz | got all my linux machines setup easy.. |
| 20:12.49 | macnewbold | Kuyaedz: are you on the box with the printer, or the box that wants to use the printer? |
| 20:13.14 | Kuyaedz | its an actual network printer with an IP |
| 20:13.17 | SB1-Work | yeah |
| 20:13.21 | SB1-Work | new printer, local printer |
| 20:13.26 | SB1-Work | Next, new port, TCP/IP port |
| 20:13.30 | SB1-Work | Input IP and tada |
| 20:13.47 | SB1-Work | Why it's specified as a "Local Printer" instead of a "Network Printer" is beyond me, but hey, whatever |
| 20:13.59 | SB1-Work | brb |
| 20:14.00 | macnewbold | you call it a local printer to add it? That's bizarre |
| 20:14.36 | Kuyaedz | that is probably why I got confused |
| 20:14.39 | macnewbold | if it sets itself up as a SMB-compatible printer, then you should be able to see it in network neighborhood and add it as a real network printer too |
| 20:14.56 | macnewbold | but you'd have to configure the printer with a network name to use and a work group |
| 20:15.01 | macnewbold | before that would work I bet |
| 20:16.28 | findlay | ~hahahahaha |
| 20:16.49 | findlay | looks like ~hahahahaha is untaken |
| 20:17.53 | SB1-Work | Kuyaedz, anything SMB or IPP? Use "Network Printer." TCP/IP or locally attached? "Local Printer." |
| 20:17.58 | SB1-Work | Again, why? I don't know. |
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| 20:48.13 | findlay | why does XML have to get so much in the way of the data? |
| 20:48.33 | findlay | ~lart XML |
| 20:49.04 | tensai | findlay: to make sure your data doesn't get lonely |
| 20:49.42 | findlay | tensai: I bet my data gets pretty annoyed with this XML getting in the way all the time |
| 20:50.14 | Kuyaedz | still having trouble setting up this printer. Man, in gnome it was about 4 clicks & done |
| 20:50.19 | emcnabb | I just got back from the company kegger |
| 20:50.29 | emcnabb | I haven't been to one of those in a while |
| 20:51.23 | findlay | ha |
| 20:51.41 | SB1-Work | Kuyaedz, how so? |
| 20:53.13 | Kuyaedz | SB1-Work: I set it up as local, use port IP_192.168.0.25.. not sure if the port is set right |
| 20:53.27 | sjansen | Bah, Windows isn't usable by anyone other than hobbyists or professionals. If you need an OS for your grandmother, give her Ubuntu. |
| 20:53.29 | sjansen | ;-) |
| 20:53.39 | Kuyaedz | sjansen: agreed ;) |
| 20:54.10 | Kuyaedz | its got two printers installed, neither of which will successfully delete & neither of which will print a test page |
| 20:54.37 | Kuyaedz | in Ubuntu on the other hand.. System > Admin > Printing > HP DirectJet > IP > select driver > done |
| 20:55.53 | SB1-Work | What port does it use to talk to the printeR? |
| 20:55.55 | SB1-Work | *printer? |
| 20:55.57 | SB1-Work | 9100? |
| 20:56.13 | Kuyaedz | 9100 on the linux setup, yes |
| 20:56.44 | findlay | oooh, thunder |
| 20:57.41 | SB1-Work | Odd |
| 20:57.43 | SB1-Work | This an HP printer? |
| 20:58.00 | Kuyaedz | Brother |
| 20:58.31 | Kuyaedz | there it finally goes |
| 20:59.16 | Kuyaedz | looks like I need to see about setting it up as static. since moving the printer it DHCP'd a different IP is all |
| 21:04.12 | Kuyaedz | that was simple enough.. how does it make any sense to select 'local printer' to setup a network printer? |
| 21:16.44 | macnewbold | yeah, using static IPs, or at least static DHCP'd IPs, is best for servers usually |
| 21:18.00 | Kuyaedz | my router is setup for DHCP for new devices with static DHCP for my servers, which are also setup as static. Don't want them changing IPs for any reason |
| 21:43.52 | elg | any templates gurus? |
| 21:46.04 | macnewbold | what kind of templates? |
| 21:50.31 | ^Migs^ | How to avoid pain in an attack from a grizzly bear - Pretend to be a fish. The bear should pick you up in its jaws and bang your head against a rock to stun you. Then at least you won't feel anything when it rips both your arms off! |
| 21:50.47 | findlay | elg: what's your question? |
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| 21:55.33 | SB1-Work | Okay, I'm fed up with this crap |
| 21:55.49 | SB1-Work | They have a *website* which *requires admin privs just to check if java is installed* |
| 21:56.45 | elg | why the nils in http://libsigc.sourceforge.net/libsigc2/docs/reference/html/group__bind.html |
| 21:56.51 | brac | [libsigc++ 2.0: bind(), bind_return()] |
| 22:00.58 | findlay | nil must be some macro defined somewhere. I don't think it's a c++ keyword |
| 22:02.18 | findlay | it looks like the 'nil' default template arguments and you can pass a variable amount of arguments to the template mechanism |
| 22:02.35 | findlay | kind of a hack for variable argument list I would guess |
| 22:03.34 | elg | my real question I guess is template specialization |
| 22:04.23 | findlay | what do you mean by template specialization? |
| 22:04.56 | elg | i'm still figuring it out, but that's the buzzword. :) |
| 22:05.06 | findlay | do you mean instantiation? |
| 22:05.10 | elg | no |
| 22:05.12 | findlay | oh |
| 22:05.35 | findlay | that's a lot of explicit overloading |
| 22:05.58 | findlay | I have mixed feelings about c++ |
| 22:06.13 | elg | looking at the source for bind_functor, it does template<blah blah blah blah blah> struct bind_functor; |
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| 22:06.32 | elg | then template<blah> struct bind_functor { ... }; |
| 22:06.36 | elg | and so on for each variant |
| 22:06.57 | elg | I want to do something similar (emulate varargs) but I'd also like to have some defaults |
| 22:07.20 | elg | er, some common code |
| 22:07.30 | elg | maybe if they all subclass something |
| 22:07.55 | findlay | that is a suggestive way to do it |
| 22:08.11 | elg | are you calling me immoral? |
| 22:09.13 | findlay | I used suggestive to mean that your proposed method of action was particularly suggestible, or natural |
| 22:12.57 | harleypig | blah blah |
| 22:12.58 | harleypig | blah |
| 22:13.30 | findlay | blah? |
| 22:13.30 | harleypig | bl |
| 22:13.35 | findlay | ah? |
| 22:13.41 | harleypig | halb |
| 22:13.59 | harleypig | Next kid I make I'm going to name him/her Halb. |
| 22:20.42 | lars-ut | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 22:20.43 | ibot | So, young man, now you see that there's a price to pay for eating paste. Would you say that losing the use of your mouth was worth it? |
| 22:31.21 | findlay | portage has improved a *lot* over the past 18 months |
| 22:34.41 | lars-ut | Gorillapod |
| 22:34.47 | lars-ut | oops |
| 22:35.13 | lars-ut | oh yeah. |
| 22:37.38 | lars-ut | wow. an Ajax order system. nice. |
| 22:37.58 | lars-ut | "Thank you for ordering with ThinkGeek, Lars! Our team of highly-caffeinated monkeys will begin processing your order soon." |
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| 22:38.34 | Kuyaedz | I wish thinkgeek were a little cheaper, I'd buy a lot more there |
| 22:40.09 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: I git a $25 gift certificate yesterday, so I only spent $10.08 of my own money |
| 22:40.18 | lars-ut | this is my second time buying from them |
| 22:40.20 | Kuyaedz | not bad |
| 22:40.30 | lars-ut | s/git/got |
| 22:40.40 | Kuyaedz | I like the "There's no place like 127.0.0.1" doormat, but my wife wouldn't go for it ;) |
| 22:40.44 | lars-ut | lol |
| 22:41.30 | Kuyaedz | http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/gear/6806/ |
| 22:41.36 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: There's no place like 127.0.0.1 Door/Floor mat] |
| 22:41.36 | Kuyaedz | $40 is a little much for a doormat, imo |
| 22:42.05 | Kuyaedz | I did buy this from 'em though. http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/59e0/ |
| 22:42.07 | brac | [ThinkGeek :: LED Binary Clock] |
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| 22:45.02 | lars-ut | nice. |
| 22:45.39 | lars-ut | red, blue, or 230v blue? |
| 22:46.34 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.27 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, |
| 22:50.59 | nick125 | yah? |
| 22:54.03 | xbmodder_lappy | lets talk over a game of bzflag |
| 22:54.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ok? |
| 22:54.07 | xbmodder_lappy | I'll call you |
| 22:59.55 | xbmodder_lappy | :-? |
| 22:59.55 | xbmodder_lappy | PING |
| 23:00.15 | nick125 | I hate speakeasy |
| 23:00.15 | nick125 | Nick, |
| 23:00.16 | nick125 | I spoke with a few people at Covad, and they did confirm you have an "access |
| 23:00.16 | nick125 | only" circuit, so we are unable to do an ISP switch on your line. |
| 23:00.17 | xbmodder_lappy | pickup yourphone |
| 23:00.23 | nick125 | call again and I will |
| 23:00.39 | nick125 | The only options we have is to install either a new line share, or dry ADSL |
| 23:00.39 | nick125 | line at your location. |
| 23:00.40 | nick125 | Brent |
| 23:00.41 | nick125 | :/ |
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| 23:25.39 | Kuyaedz | lars-ut: blue LED |
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| 23:26.10 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy, hey |
| 23:26.34 | xbmodder_lappy | hiya |
| 23:26.42 | xbmodder_lappy | blue LEDs are cool. |
| 23:26.48 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 23:26.55 | nick125_lappy | this laptop has like 6 blue LEDs on it :P |
| 23:28.15 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy, pm? |
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| 23:31.38 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: blue LEDS seem bright enough to replace lights on radio towers |
| 23:31.41 | xbmodder_lappy | ni |
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| 23:40.13 | macnewbold | I hear bricks work well for that... |
| 23:41.01 | nick125_lappy | ty |
| 23:41.58 | nick125_lappy | this sucks...I can't install gentoo because other then wireless, I don't have any internet connection to the lappy :/ |
| 23:42.31 | macnewbold | gentoo can't use the wifi? |
| 23:42.41 | macnewbold | and you don't have ethernet in your laptop? |
| 23:42.57 | nick125_lappy | not during install, unless I can find a livecd that supports ipw3945 |
| 23:43.03 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:43.17 | nick125_lappy | I got ethernet on here, but, I can't move it to my switch |
| 23:43.19 | macnewbold | you may try a USB Ethernet adapter or something, if they have a driver for those |
| 23:43.37 | macnewbold | can't move it at the moment, or can't move it ever? |
| 23:43.58 | nick125_lappy | cant move it at the moment |
| 23:44.42 | macnewbold | might be good to wait to install until you can get internet then :) |
| 23:44.43 | nick125_lappy | it has something to do with my mom not knowing I got a new laptop, and wanting to keep it like that.. |
| 23:44.46 | macnewbold | or do a non-internet install |
| 23:44.48 | macnewbold | aha |
| 23:44.50 | macnewbold | that makes sense |
| 23:45.03 | macnewbold | FreeBSD doesn't need an internet cnxn to install... |
| 23:45.55 | nick125_lappy | thanks, but, no thanks :P |
| 23:46.22 | nick125_lappy | okay |
| 23:46.25 | nick125_lappy | I got ethernet |
| 23:46.27 | nick125_lappy | woo |
| 23:46.29 | nick125_lappy | brb |
| 23:46.39 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:47.49 | lars-ut | s/poratable/portable |
| 23:49.17 | lars-ut | I looked at Costco's web site & the pickings seemed slim. Her old "boombox" from Wal-Mart started ruining CDs. Here's what I've looked found so far: http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=323430&pCatg=5727 |
| 23:49.49 | lars-ut | [Panasonic SC-AK633K 430W Stereo System] |
| 23:49.53 | lars-ut | [brac sux] |
| 23:50.38 | nick125 | crap, she came home early..that was a close one -_- |
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| 23:57.36 | lars-ut | hmmm... http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCategory.asp?SubCategory=500 |
| 23:57.53 | lars-ut | [home audio] |
| 23:57.55 | lars-ut | [brac sux] |
