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| 00:42.12 | xbmodder_lappy | I need to find someone who is into theoretical physics. |
| 00:42.28 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: you're looking at him |
| 00:42.39 | xbmodder_lappy | hey findlay |
| 00:42.58 | xbmodder_lappy | have you read michio kaku's book? |
| 00:43.00 | findlay | cue looney toones fanfare |
| 00:43.08 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: never heard of it |
| 00:43.32 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 00:43.36 | xbmodder_lappy | hyperspace? |
| 00:43.52 | Ash | i need to find somebody to come work as a sr. linux sysadmin in vegas |
| 00:43.53 | findlay | what's so interesting about hyperspace? |
| 00:43.56 | Ash | somebody take this job already |
| 00:45.14 | tristanbob | can Ubuntu 6.06 LTS read a windows partition? |
| 00:48.02 | tristanbob | for instance, I install on Ubuntu on the Windows XP OS drive, but there is a second data hard drive |
| 00:48.15 | tristanbob | that is probably ntfs |
| 00:48.49 | Ash | tristanbob: there's read-only ntfs stuff in anything resembling a newish linux kernel |
| 00:48.57 | Ash | and read/write support that is marked 'dangerous' |
| 00:49.34 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, its a good book |
| 00:51.12 | tristanbob | Ash: thanks - I will install ubuntu - and then copy the data from the windows hard drive to the Linux partition |
| 00:51.14 | xbmodder_lappy | What do you believe the benefits of supercool would be? |
| 00:51.20 | xbmodder_lappy | supercooling |
| 00:51.27 | xbmodder_lappy | (0 degrees kelvin |
| 00:56.34 | xbmodder_lappy | other than cyrogenics |
| 00:56.40 | xbmodder_lappy | in the computer field |
| 01:04.27 | xbmodder_lappy | I mean |
| 01:04.42 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone? |
| 01:09.03 | elg | brac: tell jsmith http://www.iptel.org/ser/doc/sip_intro/ |
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| 02:04.11 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: ping |
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| 02:24.34 | nick125 | anyone here know of a good DSL ISP that provides service in NM? |
| 02:25.22 | Ash | speakeasy is one of the better dsl ISPs |
| 02:25.23 | Ash | so uh |
| 02:25.23 | xbmodder_lappy | *cough* sonic *cough* |
| 02:25.27 | Ash | I suspect you're hosed |
| 02:25.43 | Ash | my friend used to work for nmia in abq |
| 02:26.01 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: I'm gonna to hit you |
| 02:26.56 | nick125 | they are saying they can't refund a payment they took from a credit card WITHOUT my authorization |
| 02:27.46 | goozbach | Ash: had I not recently moved all the way across the country for more pay I'd consider it |
| 02:27.49 | goozbach | :) |
| 02:28.27 | nick125 | thats the nice thing about credit cards..you can dispute the charges :) |
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| 02:31.12 | Ash | goozbach: heh |
| 02:31.45 | Ash | yeah, I'm just about to move |
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| 03:29.06 | Supaplex | Ash: to the living room? |
| 03:31.24 | scottj | any mythtvers here? |
| 03:31.41 | Ash | Supaplex: I'm moving to seattle. gonna go work for msft |
| 03:32.19 | Supaplex | in what capacity? |
| 03:32.48 | Ash | systems engineer stuff for the msn group |
| 03:33.32 | Supaplex | I see. |
| 03:33.40 | Ash | wheee |
| 03:34.42 | Ash | supporting large web apps, much like my current job |
| 03:35.22 | Ash | (which again, is available) |
| 03:35.53 | emcnabb | you should have joined us here at Red Hat |
| 03:36.05 | emcnabb | they're hiring a bunch of RHN people |
| 03:36.16 | Ash | yuck |
| 03:36.17 | Ash | no thanks |
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| 03:36.37 | emcnabb | haha, like Microsoft is any better |
| 03:36.48 | Ash | i hate linux more than i hate windows, so.. |
| 03:36.56 | Supaplex | use bsd |
| 03:37.02 | Ash | I do use bsd |
| 03:37.09 | Ash | :) |
| 03:37.14 | emcnabb | he "used" BSD |
| 03:37.25 | emcnabb | now you're going to be a MS drone |
| 03:37.28 | Supaplex | how underhanded |
| 03:37.41 | Ash | nah not really |
| 03:37.50 | emcnabb | you will soon |
| 03:38.01 | emcnabb | all my friends who ended up working there are |
| 03:38.05 | Ash | shrug |
| 03:38.05 | Supaplex | oh wait, that's an a-nish-e-ation right. plagerize something for msft. |
| 03:38.34 | Ash | although the new powershell stuff makes a lot of windows things nicer |
| 03:38.46 | Ash | still better than admin'ing a bunch of debian boxes like I do now |
| 03:38.49 | Ash | yay for random failure |
| 03:40.06 | mheath | Mmm, freakin Hagaan Daaz ice cream...... |
| 03:40.11 | emcnabb | yay! |
| 03:40.29 | Ash | that ice cream makes me happy |
| 03:40.31 | jakea | emcnabb: Is Mandrake or Mandriva better than Microsoft? |
| 03:40.34 | emcnabb | (yay about "random failure", not mheath dieing) |
| 03:40.35 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, are you still gentoo, or have you been converted? |
| 03:40.49 | emcnabb | jakea: Mandrake |
| 03:40.49 | mheath | The ingredients list on this ice cream blew me away |
| 03:40.55 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy: not for a long time |
| 03:40.55 | Ash | they use lactose-reduced cream |
| 03:41.02 | jakea | he he |
| 03:41.03 | Ash | which makes my body less grumpy since i'm lactose intolerant |
| 03:41.12 | mheath | Who ever thought of making ice cream with *just* cream, sugar, and egg yolks? |
| 03:41.18 | mheath | :P |
| 03:41.21 | jakea | you'll be happy to know I finally changing distros |
| 03:41.24 | Ash | emcnabb: our debian systems are woody + current kernels |
| 03:41.26 | Ash | it sucks ass |
| 03:41.35 | emcnabb | Debian does suck |
| 03:41.39 | emcnabb | I agree with you |
| 03:41.40 | Ash | sigh |
| 03:41.48 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, now what? |
| 03:41.50 | mheath | Ubuntu is great, though :) |
| 03:41.54 | jakea | :) |
| 03:41.54 | emcnabb | and I use Debian on my home server |
| 03:42.04 | xbmodder_lappy | debian is good, ubuntu=bad; |
| 03:42.09 | emcnabb | Fedora/RHEL/CentOS/Debian/Ubuntu |
| 03:42.15 | xbmodder_lappy | Yuck |
| 03:42.20 | jakea | distro wars! |
| 03:42.25 | emcnabb | jakea: you suck! |
| 03:42.30 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, please qualify your argument. |
| 03:42.41 | jakea | emcnabb: you suck even more! |
| 03:42.41 | emcnabb | ~lart jakea |
| 03:42.48 | emcnabb | ouch |
| 03:42.50 | xbmodder_lappy | I don't like ubuntu because it has a dozen extra hardware managers |
| 03:42.53 | xbmodder_lappy | well two iirc |
| 03:43.02 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, which? |
| 03:43.03 | jakea | oh no |
| 03:43.08 | emcnabb | that's not a good reason to not like it |
| 03:43.14 | jakea | that's sooooo bac |
| 03:43.16 | jakea | bad |
| 03:43.35 | emcnabb | I don't like Ford cars because they come in both red and black |
| 03:43.35 | Ash | my OS is xemacs so I don't worry about the underlying thing that takes care of hardware stuff |
| 03:43.39 | Ash | ;) |
| 03:44.03 | emcnabb | is xemacs a valid development editor at MS? |
| 03:44.06 | jakea | I hate Pizza because it might have olives |
| 03:44.12 | mheath | Ash, I'm not even going to bother talking to you. You emacs people are a whole 'nother breed :P |
| 03:44.19 | Ash | emcnabb: nobody cares what you use at msft |
| 03:44.39 | Ash | mheath: mmm emacs |
| 03:44.44 | mheath | jakea, I hate gentoo because my friend had emacs installed on it! |
| 03:45.05 | emcnabb | and therefore I hate you! |
| 03:45.08 | emcnabb | distro wars! |
| 03:45.10 | Supaplex | since when does emacs belong in a base install? |
| 03:45.19 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, to be honest, I'm completely confused about what you're talking about. What 'hardware managers' were you talking of? |
| 03:45.25 | jakea | emacs is the base install |
| 03:46.22 | mheath | It has the Gnome programs for configuring hardware settings, but the only other things that have anything to do with hardware is the FDO HAL, UDEV, Hotplug, and the kernel. |
| 03:46.59 | Ash | emcnabb: a friend of mine works in a team next to the one I'm joining, and nobody cares about anything so long as you're getting your job done :) |
| 03:47.30 | Ash | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qbrundage.com%2Fmichaelb%2Fpubs%2Fessays%2Fworking_at_microsoft.html&ei=yfqERPagJqnYigHArcXMDg&sig2=XYFtiDzwviNHsPxyuRsL9Q |
| 03:47.35 | Ash | oops |
| 03:47.35 | mheath | Hmm, does anyone know of any interesting or more complex tasting root beer drinks? |
| 03:47.37 | Ash | stupid google |
| 03:47.38 | brac | [Working at Microsoft] |
| 03:48.04 | Ash | mheath: tried weinhard's? |
| 03:48.13 | Ash | http://www.qbrundage.com/michaelb/pubs/essays/working_at_microsoft.html |
| 03:48.14 | mheath | And not weird this-is-what-rootbeer-used-to-be-like stuff....Normal root beer, just higher quality, more complex tasting |
| 03:48.14 | brac | [Working at Microsoft] |
| 03:48.53 | Ash | mheath: lots of microbrewed rootbeer around |
| 03:49.20 | emcnabb | Ash: why are you using Google? |
| 03:49.35 | emcnabb | you should be using your own product now! |
| 03:49.40 | xbmodder_lappy | wait, thats fedora, the other one... |
| 03:49.46 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, nevermind |
| 03:49.58 | Ash | search.live.com has reasonable results |
| 03:50.25 | mheath | http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=Working+at+Microsoft&Form=MSNH |
| 03:50.31 | emcnabb | you should use it then |
| 03:51.20 | Supaplex | msn hotmail is great |
| 03:51.20 | Ash | heh |
| 03:51.23 | Supaplex | for junk mail. |
| 03:51.27 | mheath | Ash, are you wroking at Microsoft now, then? |
| 03:51.34 | Ash | mheath: shortly |
| 03:51.41 | mheath | Ash, doing what? |
| 03:51.42 | Ash | on the 12th i start. |
| 03:52.01 | Ash | systems eng stuff for msn |
| 03:52.22 | Ash | which is roughly sr. systems admin type stuff. |
| 03:52.33 | mheath | Ash, does that job come with the "Get a friend from IRC a copy of Vista" benefit? |
| 03:52.50 | Ash | no idea |
| 03:53.00 | emcnabb | my friend at MS hooked me up with the Vista beta program |
| 03:53.01 | Ash | isn't it in open beta? |
| 03:53.12 | emcnabb | I haven't really used it yet though |
| 03:53.18 | scottj | shh, don't tell him that. |
| 03:53.24 | Ash | heh. |
| 03:53.35 | mheath | Ash, no. People keep pointing me to the open beta signup site, but that just has a "sign up for e-mail updates announcing the vista open beta" |
| 03:54.42 | mheath | I want to upgrade this laptop to Vista before I leave.....For my sister to use.. |
| 03:55.14 | emcnabb | I'm downloading the biggest RPM I've ever used before... 634 MB |
| 03:55.16 | mheath | You know what, I really need to go for my run. I keep putting that off - at this rate, I'm going to kill myself when I leave for basic. |
| 03:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, that *will not happen* |
| 03:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | You have a 0% chance of upgrading a laptop to vista before you leave |
| 03:56.09 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, even one thats officially supported by the vendor for Vista, and had a "Vista Capable" sticker on it when purchased? |
| 03:56.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing is |
| 03:56.26 | mheath | And has hardware that was all autodetected by Windows XP, with full ability to upgrade said hardwares drivers through Windows Update? |
| 03:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | You leave in how many days? |
| 03:56.39 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, good question. 3 weeks to 2.5 months :) |
| 03:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And Vista will be RTM'd... in December. |
| 03:56.57 | ScytheBlade1 | December >>> 2.5 months |
| 03:57.33 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, Thats why I'd like a non-beta-only copy that won't die after I leave :) |
| 03:57.46 | Ash | heh. |
| 03:57.55 | Ash | mheath: those don't really exist outside of msft afaik |
| 03:58.02 | Ash | but I could be wrong |
| 03:58.12 | Ash | i don't really use windows as a desktop OS |
| 03:58.44 | mheath | I don't eiher |
| 03:58.45 | mheath | *either |
| 03:58.54 | mheath | but I'm leaving this laptop with my sister while I'm gone, probably |
| 03:59.07 | mheath | Its the only thing she'll understand |
| 04:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | look |
| 04:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | They only have betas |
| 04:00.27 | nick125 | damnit :/ |
| 04:00.36 | ScytheBlade1 | The betas aren't going to be supported at all post release date |
| 04:00.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Or past next beta date |
| 04:00.42 | nick125 | I can't find a VoIP provider that takes money order :p |
| 04:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Vista now = bad idea |
| 04:03.21 | Ash | mheath: install XP, install F-Secure's antivirus/spyware/firewall thing |
| 04:03.27 | Ash | turn on automatic updates |
| 04:03.29 | Ash | you're done |
| 04:05.11 | Ash | you might want to pay for a couple years of f-secure updates when you buy it |
| 04:05.16 | Ash | but that's the one I tell people to buy |
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| 04:10.26 | Supaplex | nick125: trying to displace those nigerian payments eh? ;) |
| 04:10.47 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:18.38 | mheath | nick125, get a debit card. |
| 04:19.17 | Ash | yeah, seriously |
| 04:19.29 | Ash | or go to your local mall/whatever and pick up a rechargable visa |
| 04:19.53 | mheath | nick125, there's plenty of options. Most credit unions offer a teen debit card. |
| 04:20.12 | mheath | You may not even need parental approval. I can't remember if I did or not. |
| 04:20.32 | mheath | I'm still trying to get the bank to give me a freakin adult debit card..... |
| 04:20.52 | mheath | So what, I'm joining the Marine Corp? So what, I'm about to die for you and your country! I'm still a child! |
| 04:22.46 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 04:23.09 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, are you going to die? |
| 04:23.32 | mheath | I don't know. I realized right before you said that that I worded my sentence poorly. |
| 04:23.38 | Supaplex | nick125: what number would you like? Maybe I can fit your need. |
| 04:24.38 | mheath | I'd actually like to end up on embassy guard duty, or (better yet) guard duty at the white house or in Washington DC somewhere |
| 04:24.45 | mheath | That would be freakin' awesome. |
| 04:25.55 | Supaplex | that's until dilvie shows up. |
| 04:26.12 | Ash | mheath: hm, marine huh |
| 04:26.19 | Ash | those are the guys they throw at the insurgents |
| 04:26.21 | Ash | KABOOM |
| 04:26.29 | Ash | ;) |
| 04:26.40 | Ash | though my friend's in the guard, and he just hangs out all day |
| 04:26.43 | Ash | over in irqa |
| 04:26.45 | Ash | iraq |
| 04:26.50 | mheath | Ash, thats army ;-P |
| 04:26.59 | Ash | heheh |
| 04:27.03 | mheath | nah, your right |
| 04:27.11 | Ash | well, marines are usually the first ones in |
| 04:27.13 | mheath | First to freakin fight. Hoorah. |
| 04:27.14 | Ash | is all i'm sayin' |
| 04:27.27 | Ash | you'll be the first ones when you invade iran |
| 04:27.30 | Ash | it'll be tons of fun dude |
| 04:27.58 | mheath | hahaha, yep :) |
| 04:30.13 | mheath | I think we'll invade Iran within 2 years. |
| 04:30.26 | Ash | totally retarded |
| 04:30.28 | Ash | sigh |
| 04:30.30 | mheath | It would be much sooner, but the UN is slow. |
| 04:30.58 | Ash | we've already put in power people in iran a few times |
| 04:31.05 | Ash | hello, it's not going to work this time either |
| 04:31.37 | mheath | It's taken then months to resolve that they think their might be the possibility of restrictions being set in order to combat a possiblly likely nuclear threat. :P |
| 04:31.43 | mheath | s/then/them/g |
| 04:33.03 | Ash | if we're going to restrict non-NPT countries from developing nukes, how about talking to Israel before we move on to a country that can barely even enrich uranium |
| 04:33.26 | Ash | or maybe india and pakistan |
| 04:33.28 | Ash | our "allies" |
| 04:34.06 | mheath | The worst thing would be if Iran invades Israel. |
| 04:34.18 | Ash | like they would even dare to do that |
| 04:34.28 | Ash | that's a ridiculous assertion |
| 04:34.40 | mheath | Ash, their current leader isn't particularly sane either. |
| 04:34.41 | Ash | iran knows that their deserts would be glass the minute they tried to invade |
| 04:34.50 | Ash | um. |
| 04:34.55 | mheath | The holocaust didn't happen, remember?! |
| 04:34.59 | mheath | :P |
| 04:35.26 | Ash | That's certainly not the same as invading a country armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons. |
| 04:35.41 | Ash | Please learn about international politics before opening your mouth kthx :D :D |
| 04:37.13 | mheath | Ash, muslim countries have a rediculously long history of having an extremely high opinon of themselves. |
| 04:37.20 | mheath | Remember our political situation with Israel too |
| 04:37.39 | Ash | heh |
| 04:37.43 | mheath | The USA has, post-WWII, maintained a strict we-won't-use-them-unless-they-use-them policy on nuclear weapons |
| 04:37.49 | Ash | ummm |
| 04:37.53 | Ash | i'm not talking about the US |
| 04:37.56 | Ash | I'm talking about Israel |
| 04:38.16 | mheath | We have vowed to defend Israel against an attack by Iran, Mr. Bush publically stated that a few weeks back. |
| 04:38.19 | Ash | who have plenty of nuclear weapons of their own |
| 04:38.31 | Ash | remember what happened last time a country tried to invade israel? |
| 04:38.35 | Ash | all the arab countries do too |
| 04:38.46 | mheath | We would use our political influence with Israel to stop them from a nuclear strike, promising to defend them. |
| 04:39.05 | Ash | oh blissful youth |
| 04:39.48 | Ash | is that like the political influence bush said he'd use with OPEC to get them to produce more oil so prices would go down |
| 04:40.00 | Ash | or the <insert innefectual gwb example here> |
| 04:40.10 | Ash | +f |
| 04:41.05 | Ash | Anyway, it's a ridiculous assertion that iran would invade israel. Sure, they'll talk about the zionist "menace"... but their leaders are not suicidal, and they have a supportive populace in general. |
| 04:41.23 | mheath | Ash, remember that Israel also realizes that bombing the heck out of millions of muslims, completley destroying thousands of miles of muslim land, and obliterating the country that many muslims see as a major power will NOT go off well, when western civilization is already at war with two other muslim countries. |
| 04:41.36 | Ash | heh. |
| 04:41.49 | Ash | like I said, it's about as likely as iran invading israel |
| 04:42.06 | Supaplex | now that i'd get tickets for |
| 04:42.40 | Ash | it would be interesting to see the israeli armed forces attacking somebody besides palestinians |
| 04:43.05 | Ash | but only in a sick, twisted way ;) |
| 04:43.13 | Supaplex | granted. |
| 04:43.17 | mheath | Ash, The muslim world has proven themselves to be able to unite as one of the most technologically advanced, powerful, fierce, and largest peoples in the world. |
| 04:43.32 | Supaplex | just like the media would actually have to work for once, instead of using a madlib for news. |
| 04:43.32 | Ash | mheath, please give up |
| 04:43.37 | Ash | love, |
| 04:43.37 | Ash | ash |
| 04:43.45 | mheath | I think that a major nuclear strike by any party on a muslim country could provoke such an attitude again. |
| 04:43.56 | Ash | that should have read 'give it up' |
| 04:44.00 | Ash | but I can't type tonight |
| 04:44.03 | mheath | Ash, so, you feel..... |
| 04:44.09 | mheath | if Iran ever tried to invade Israel... |
| 04:44.30 | mheath | Israel would simply bomb all of Iran. All of it - no one would be left to retaliate. So everyone would go to bed happy, and sleep easy that night. |
| 04:44.34 | Ash | you are talking about things that are never going to happen, mheath |
| 04:44.46 | mheath | Iran's military threat disappears. |
| 04:45.06 | Ash | also, see 'tactical' nuclear weapons |
| 04:45.21 | Ash | nobody thinks in terms of blowing up whole countries since the cold war, dude |
| 04:45.29 | mheath | Ash, And the Iraqi Information Minister was talking about how they were defeating us easily! These people don't THINK like western military leaders! |
| 04:45.35 | mheath | This isn't a cold war stand off! |
| 04:45.56 | mheath | Its millions of people who are willing - even anxious - to die, for a rediculous cause that they decide to be right. |
| 04:45.56 | Ash | um... right. |
| 04:46.17 | Ash | like iraq's government is an appropriate comparison |
| 04:46.30 | mheath | Ash, if you're thinking was right.......Then why did Afghanistan support terrorists that bombed the World Trade Center? |
| 04:46.40 | mheath | Such an act would surely bring down the USA's might! |
| 04:46.45 | mheath | It would blow away the Taliban! |
| 04:46.57 | mheath | We'd fight them, we'd bomb the heck out of them - yet, they did it anyway! |
| 04:47.05 | Ash | and where's the taliban now |
| 04:47.11 | Ash | oh yeah, they control southern afghanistan |
| 04:47.17 | Ash | oops! |
| 04:47.20 | mheath | Ash, I'm not saiyng Iran would win the war against Israel. Of course not. |
| 04:47.35 | mheath | Only saying that, claiming that they'd _never_ invade Israel is silly. |
| 04:47.43 | Ash | No, but you're assuming some large monolithic 'muslim threat', which is entirely not the case |
| 04:48.11 | Ash | and no, iran will never invade israel. |
| 04:48.13 | Ash | watch and see. |
| 04:48.39 | mheath | Ash, And Afghanistan will never be stupid enough to attack the USA. |
| 04:48.40 | Ash | small terrorist groups != countries |
| 04:48.41 | mheath | wait and see. |
| 04:48.47 | mheath | Erm, nevermind. |
| 04:48.58 | Ash | entirely inappropriate analogy mheath |
| 04:49.22 | mheath | Ash, But those small terrorist groups shared the same extremist muslim views as the leaders of Iran do. |
| 04:49.29 | Ash | the vast majority of the conspirators in that case were saudis, and their leader just happened to be living in afghanistan |
| 04:49.33 | Ash | uh |
| 04:49.37 | Ash | dude. |
| 04:49.46 | Ash | do you know anything? |
| 04:49.51 | Ash | is your only news source fox news? |
| 04:49.57 | Ash | because uh |
| 04:50.04 | Ash | wow. |
| 04:50.18 | mheath | Ash, I'm not talking about the belief that "flying a plain into the USA and blowing things up is good" |
| 04:50.32 | mheath | I'm talking about the belief that their god believes them and only them are a righteous people |
| 04:50.39 | mheath | And that it is their job to remove the unholy from the earth |
| 04:50.42 | Ash | you're talking about the fabled 'muslim threat' |
| 04:50.58 | mheath | I can quote specific passages from the Koran if you want. |
| 04:50.58 | Ash | anyway |
| 04:51.17 | Ash | please learn about international politics |
| 04:51.41 | Ash | eating ribs, yum |
| 04:51.43 | Ash | bbl |
| 04:51.53 | mheath | Ash, how can you learn anything about international politics with eastern countries? It been one seemingly irrational behavior after another. |
| 04:52.03 | Ash | dude. |
| 04:52.12 | mheath | We simply refuse to accept that these people think completely differently than we do. |
| 04:52.37 | Ash | hahaha |
| 04:52.44 | Ash | you talk about this like fundie christians are any different |
| 04:52.57 | Ash | but, seriously |
| 04:52.59 | Ash | wife's home with ribs for me |
| 04:53.00 | Ash | bbl |
| 04:53.06 | findlay | what sort of debate is this that I've stumbled into? |
| 04:53.14 | findlay | ~rib Ash |
| 04:53.20 | Ash | heh |
| 04:53.51 | Ash | besides, don't you know this fronting by the US is all designed to intimidate Iran into shutting down their euro-backed oil exchange? |
| 04:53.54 | findlay | ~rib |
| 04:53.55 | mheath | findlay, Ash trying to say that Iran would never invade Israel, claiming that Iran believes the same Cold War-type fears that provoked the stand off between the USA and Canada. |
| 04:54.09 | Ash | mheath: I didn't say that at all; perhaps you might learn to read? |
| 04:54.23 | Ash | I said that Iran would never invade because they are a rational actor, as far as countries go. |
| 04:54.32 | mheath | Ash, you said that they would never attack Israel because Israel would bomb the heck out of them if they did. |
| 04:54.38 | mheath | That is a Cold War style stand off. |
| 04:54.42 | Ash | AND because they're a rational country |
| 04:54.53 | Ash | getting nuked is just the incentive |
| 04:55.00 | Ash | bye |
| 04:55.11 | findlay | let them bomb each other away. Leaves more room for normal people |
| 04:55.22 | findlay | like me |
| 04:55.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Better idea |
| 04:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | We drop one, BIG bomb |
| 04:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | And level the entire middle easy |
| 04:55.47 | ScytheBlade1 | s/easy/east/ |
| 04:56.01 | mheath | Ash, they're a rational country? They're led by a man who claimed that the most horrible human rights violation in existance, which is documented through throusands of pictures, videos, reports, military paperwork, and personal accounts is all an elaborate hoax designed to piss them off. |
| 04:58.20 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, or we try to promote a possitive image of Western civilization in their booming youth population, encouraging more moderate views (ones that don't involve our death), and stop committing human rights problems over and over again. :) |
| 04:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Or |
| 04:59.53 | ScytheBlade1 | We just bomb them |
| 04:59.55 | ScytheBlade1 | And get over it |
| 04:59.57 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 05:02.06 | mheath | I love how I''m the one going into the Marine Corp, yet I'm the one arguing against the lets-blow-them-up idea. |
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| 05:04.11 | findlay | ~lart sip |
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| 05:23.15 | QBFreak | arg, can't I rearrange the contents of my Bookmarks Toolbar Folder in firefox? |
| 05:24.22 | QBFreak | more specifically, I want to move sub-folders, I seem to be able to move regular bookmarks (though they don't always go where I want) |
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| 05:41.13 | Uncle_Jesse | ~botmail #utah TimRiker looks like the mysql setup script for blootbot has some issues with inserts not matching the create statements |
| 05:41.29 | Uncle_Jesse | does botmail not work with ibot? |
| 06:06.09 | findlay | ibot: what do you think about botmail? |
| 06:06.36 | linuxalien | A documentary on the number 666 is on FX |
| 06:06.42 | findlay | ibot: botmail |
| 06:06.54 | findlay | ibot: botmail check |
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| 06:10.16 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: supercooling is something quite different from absolute zero (Kelvin) |
| 06:10.57 | findlay | supercooling is dropping a liquid below into it's solid region without it freezing |
| 06:11.35 | xbmodder_lappy | yes. |
| 06:11.50 | findlay | superconducting means zero resistance |
| 06:12.05 | xbmodder_lappy | what benefits do you think will come out for computing? |
| 06:12.20 | findlay | that doesn't mean infinite current because superconducting materials are not Ohmic |
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| 06:12.42 | findlay | there's a different law they behave that limits the current |
| 06:12.51 | findlay | it's quite clever actually |
| 06:12.55 | findlay | nature, that is |
| 06:12.59 | xbmodder_lappy | but don't you have to reach very low temperatures to make a superconductor? |
| 06:13.11 | findlay | no lower than liquid nitrogen |
| 06:13.38 | findlay | and liquid nitrogen is a dime a bottle |
| 06:13.38 | xbmodder_lappy | How far do you think room temperature super conductors are? |
| 06:13.46 | findlay | liquid nitrogen temperature conductors (ceramics) were discovered in the late 1980s |
| 06:14.02 | findlay | nobody knows |
| 06:14.33 | findlay | that's a future breakthrough, but there's limitless fields of active research all over the world |
| 06:14.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Can't super magnets come from the invention of superconductors? |
| 06:15.08 | findlay | you might find one or several groups of people working on something like that |
| 06:15.31 | findlay | superconducting electromagnets are very powerful, yes |
| 06:15.42 | xbmodder_lappy | And a super magnet that could be strong enough for levitating 1ton or so is how hard to make? |
| 06:16.07 | findlay | don't know |
| 06:16.19 | findlay | the hard part is getting a superconductor |
| 06:17.37 | findlay | http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/ if you want to see a really cool application for superconducting magnets |
| 06:17.42 | brac | [LHC_Homepage] |
| 06:18.11 | xbmodder_lappy | so if we could have a super conductor with 0 energy loss through heat |
| 06:18.28 | findlay | 27 miles of very high energy hardrons |
| 06:18.43 | xbmodder_lappy | packing infinite transistors into a chip would be trivial |
| 06:18.53 | findlay | superconducting doesn't mean no loss through heat |
| 06:19.37 | xbmodder_lappy | but if there is no resistance... |
| 06:19.39 | findlay | you still have thermodynamics |
| 06:19.49 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah... |
| 06:20.01 | findlay | there's no resistance below a certain current |
| 06:20.08 | findlay | then there's resistance |
| 06:21.17 | xbmodder_lappy | very cool. |
| 06:21.37 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/music/2006/Dilvie_-_In_Time.mp3 <-- my pathetic one hour compo entry |
| 06:21.39 | dilvie | ehehe |
| 06:21.51 | xbmodder_lappy | What about reaching absolute zero, what do you think that will do for computers? |
| 06:22.56 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: that's like asking "what about reaching infinity, then what?" |
| 06:24.09 | findlay | I take it you're enamored with the romantic fascination that is science. One day you'll be able to see what a pathetic and impotent philosophy science really is |
| 06:24.34 | findlay | but fascination with the fantastic is something you should always hold on to |
| 06:24.48 | dilvie | science is pretty cold by itself |
| 06:25.22 | dilvie | it's really neat in combination with philosophy, invention, and imagination, though. ;) |
| 06:25.43 | findlay | "absolute zero" and "infinity" after all are crude hacks used to bolt a rudimentary theory of Nature together |
| 06:29.20 | findlay | and all of that wonderfully complex and abstract mathematics, the language of several of the world's most brilliant people, topology, algebra, analysis, logic, and theory is just a mind game, trivial because it can never be beholden to reality |
| 06:30.04 | findlay | dilvie: one hour? |
| 06:30.07 | findlay | nice (: |
| 06:30.28 | findlay | Wagner's ring is 14 h, BTW (: |
| 06:30.52 | dilvie | haha |
| 06:31.07 | dilvie | one hour meaning I only had one hour to create it |
| 06:31.11 | dilvie | not that it's an hour long |
| 06:31.14 | findlay | oh |
| 06:31.17 | findlay | (: |
| 06:38.40 | xbmodder_lappy | SUFFERING FROM PACKET LOSS! |
| 06:44.21 | QBFreak | this is sad, I've been doing my job so long that I don't even know what my job duties are, I just do them |
| 06:44.38 | QBFreak | this is what happens when your positions sort of evolves with no clear definition |
| 06:45.21 | QBFreak | I just got promoted to "Assistant Manager of Operations" but was given no clear direction on what I'm now 'officially' in charge of :) |
| 06:45.33 | QBFreak | basically recognition for the things I've been doing |
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| 06:52.40 | findlay | QBFreak: as long as you get good money for it |
| 06:52.49 | findlay | and you like it (: |
| 06:52.59 | QBFreak | ha! I wish I got good money for it |
| 06:53.12 | QBFreak | but it gets me by while I look |
| 06:53.39 | QBFreak | no idea what my raise will be, my guess is I'll be making $6.25/hr |
| 06:54.51 | dilvie | um |
| 06:54.52 | QBFreak | I enjoy it most days |
| 06:55.06 | QBFreak | if he could afford to pay me more he would |
| 06:55.17 | QBFreak | business has been sucking lately |
| 06:55.23 | dilvie | oi. |
| 06:55.31 | dilvie | get more business? |
| 06:55.42 | QBFreak | but I also deliver, so I get tips |
| 06:55.48 | QBFreak | made $20 tonight |
| 06:56.13 | QBFreak | I figure I averages more like $10/hr |
| 06:56.29 | QBFreak | s/averages/averaged |
| 06:56.37 | xbmodder_lappy | QBFreak, remember if you can do sales, feel free to work for atarack inc |
| 06:56.52 | QBFreak | if I could do sales I could be employed nearly anywhere :p |
| 06:57.20 | findlay | QBFreak: you can sell lightsabers for me when I invent them |
| 06:57.46 | QBFreak | most of the job postings I see are for sales, management, and fun things I don't know like Oracle or mainframe stuff |
| 06:58.11 | findlay | QBFreak: I know what you mean |
| 06:58.19 | QBFreak | I'm not assertive enough for sales, although your non-customers would love that |
| 06:59.30 | QBFreak | brb, reboot again now that the things I need are where I can get to them from linux |
| 07:02.19 | QBFreak | owies, I was examining the very dim light in the bottom of my mouse when udev initalized and enabled the nice very bright light it uses for tracking |
| 07:03.05 | QBFreak | ibot: sing Blinded by the light |
| 07:03.13 | QBFreak | ibot: you're no fun |
| 07:06.46 | findlay | ~/o duh ~/o |
| 07:06.48 | ibot | ACTION sings with findlay |
| 07:06.56 | findlay | ha |
| 07:07.17 | QBFreak | nobody likes me! *cries* |
| 07:07.44 | findlay | QBFreak: I wasn't making fun of you |
| 07:08.05 | findlay | if anything it was ibot |
| 07:08.07 | findlay | (: |
| 07:08.13 | QBFreak | she hates me! |
| 07:12.10 | findlay | ~iq |
| 07:12.12 | ibot | it has been said that iq is IQ |
| 07:12.18 | findlay | ~IQ |
| 07:12.20 | ibot | iq is probably IQ |
| 07:12.42 | QBFreak | I think its an IQ test, how many times will you try? :) |
| 07:14.37 | findlay | should be something like 'my iq is $(rand() % 200)' |
| 07:14.51 | findlay | ~iQ |
| 07:14.53 | ibot | rumour has it, iq is IQ |
| 07:14.57 | findlay | ~Iq |
| 07:14.58 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, iq is IQ |
| 07:15.10 | findlay | ibot: are you teasing me or what? |
| 07:17.48 | QBFreak | I tried to mount //server/share/directory to Directory/, it asked me for a password twice and is now just sistting there |
| 07:18.21 | findlay | windows 98? |
| 07:18.34 | QBFreak | both boxes are running Linux |
| 07:18.44 | QBFreak | perhaps there is a better protocol to use? |
| 07:18.46 | findlay | are you using nautilus? |
| 07:18.53 | findlay | nfs |
| 07:18.53 | QBFreak | command line |
| 07:19.04 | findlay | nfs is pretty easy to do |
| 07:19.10 | QBFreak | hmm, I don't think I ever got that set up |
| 07:19.17 | findlay | what distro? |
| 07:19.24 | QBFreak | server is Debian |
| 07:19.33 | QBFreak | client is Fedora Core 5 |
| 07:19.42 | findlay | should be able to do it |
| 07:22.12 | QBFreak | as in should be set up already, or should be possible to set up? |
| 07:23.54 | findlay | QBFreak: you will need to configure a few things |
| 07:24.30 | findlay | depending on how small your server is you may need additional packages |
| 07:25.47 | findlay | this looks like it would tell you most everything you would need to know, but it looks pretty thorough, http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ |
| 07:26.07 | QBFreak | thanks |
| 07:26.30 | findlay | I should learn all about NFS too, I guess |
| 07:27.18 | QBFreak | oh this is nice, I can't chdir into a subdir |
| 07:27.42 | QBFreak | fish:// is nice |
| 07:28.00 | findlay | yes |
| 07:28.47 | QBFreak | I actually miss explorer integration when in linux |
| 07:29.11 | QBFreak | I can't type paths in file open dialog boxes, especially UNCs and the like |
| 07:30.01 | findlay | QBFreak: have you tried konqueror and it's file selector dialog? |
| 07:30.36 | QBFreak | can I somehow use that with firefox? |
| 07:30.41 | findlay | that has the most advanced typing completion I've ever seen. It's wonderful (: |
| 07:30.46 | QBFreak | I'm using konqueror for browsing right now |
| 07:30.54 | QBFreak | err file system browsing |
| 07:31.45 | findlay | QBFreak: I know what you mean about not being able to type it in. The GNOME people think that you shouldn't have to type anything when using the GUI |
| 07:32.12 | findlay | generally only KDE apps will call the konqueror file dialog, but it is quite nice |
| 07:32.22 | QBFreak | I live for the keyboard, don't take away my input boxes! |
| 07:33.04 | findlay | QBFreak: nevermind, I've discovered it |
| 07:33.50 | findlay | in the gnome file dialog if you right click on the file list and select "Open Location" you can type in a file path with <tab> completion and everything |
| 07:34.09 | QBFreak | oooo |
| 07:34.10 | findlay | still not as nice as konqueror, but it works |
| 07:35.44 | QBFreak | ack, I can't right-click-drag |
| 07:36.06 | QBFreak | this gnu-fangled stuff takes some getting used to |
| 07:36.37 | findlay | what does right click + drag do? |
| 07:37.08 | QBFreak | drag and then present you with a menu, usually choices like 'move' and 'copy' |
| 07:38.58 | findlay | left click and drag may be simmilar in gnome, I guess |
| 07:39.11 | QBFreak | dunno, I'm using KDE |
| 07:39.15 | findlay | but I doubt you'd get a dialog |
| 07:39.28 | QBFreak | but FF apparently uses the gnome file browsing dialog |
| 07:39.33 | findlay | yes |
| 07:41.54 | QBFreak | and in the last 40 minutes I did...nothing |
| 07:42.01 | QBFreak | well, I moved my resume around a little |
| 07:42.05 | QBFreak | go me |
| 07:42.35 | QBFreak | I intended to be in bed nearly two hours ago |
| 07:50.28 | QBFreak | I uploaded the file and yet when I download it I still get the old version |
| 07:50.58 | QBFreak | this happened last time I attempted to upload a new version as well, and that time was from windows |
| 07:51.28 | QBFreak | I've tried the web FTP interface my host provides, I've tried command-line FTP, downloading in multiple browsers to avoid caching issues |
| 07:51.37 | QBFreak | verified my source file |
| 07:53.19 | QBFreak | ! |
| 07:53.35 | QBFreak | I upload it to a NEW file, its fine, I move that new file in place of the old one, and I'm back where I started |
| 07:54.59 | QBFreak | FF wont let me refresh a file |
| 07:55.11 | QBFreak | starting to really piss me off |
| 08:04.05 | QBFreak | any idea if Djuania is a male or female name? |
| 08:08.38 | QBFreak | from what little I can find on google I'd say female |
| 08:54.17 | Tene | delete the file via ftp and see if it will stop coming down |
| 08:54.57 | QBFreak | I finally deleted it from the shell, opened it in a new browser, got the 404 I expected and uploaded a new copy |
| 08:55.06 | QBFreak | I believe it should be straight now |
| 08:55.37 | Tene | yay! |
| 08:56.00 | QBFreak | and my initial problem, the other day, was wrong file name |
| 08:59.02 | QBFreak | in general I prefer to use something like PDF, then the document cannot easilly be changed and the changes of it carrying/catching a virus are nearly none |
| 08:59.09 | QBFreak | chances |
| 08:59.18 | Tene | document catching a virus? |
| 08:59.21 | Tene | *confused* |
| 08:59.23 | QBFreak | word macros |
| 08:59.33 | Tene | still don't get it... |
| 08:59.35 | QBFreak | you can do anything in them that you can do in VB |
| 08:59.50 | Tene | leak memory? |
| 09:00.29 | QBFreak | my issue is not that I may be sending a virus, I know I'm not, but I'm continuing a bad practice |
| 09:01.01 | QBFreak | delete files, registry changes |
| 09:01.09 | QBFreak | I once put a web browser in a power point presentation |
| 09:01.38 | QBFreak | which also uses VBA |
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| 12:57.14 | ^Migs^ | ~rlart |
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| 13:05.50 | goozbach | hmm ipv6 |
| 13:06.01 | goozbach | ~dish sjansen |
| 13:06.11 | goozbach | ~plate sjansen |
| 13:06.19 | goozbach | ~purge sjansen |
| 13:06.23 | goozbach | hmm |
| 13:06.39 | goozbach | ~lambast sjansen |
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| 13:15.21 | sjansen | ~bomb goozbach |
| 13:15.22 | ibot | ACTION drops a humongous exploding nuke on goozbach |
| 13:15.25 | sjansen | ~taco goozbach |
| 13:15.37 | sjansen | ~steak goozbach |
| 13:15.40 | sjansen | ~stake goozbach |
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| 13:34.03 | tristanbob | this is ridiculous! give me firefox 1.0 back |
| 13:34.34 | tristanbob | why do my firefox process grow to 800+ MB and use up all my memory? |
| 13:34.43 | tristanbob | on windows xp |
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| 14:19.30 | ^Migs^ | http://www.pimpthatsnack.com/images/projects/yorkie2/P1010128.jpg |
| 14:20.53 | xbmodder_lappy | wow |
| 14:21.29 | Kuyaedz | http://www.pimpthatsnack.com/images/projects/yorkie2/Giant%20Yorkie.jpg |
| 14:21.33 | Kuyaedz | apparently its guys only |
| 14:21.49 | ^Migs^ | hahaha |
| 14:21.53 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 14:30.21 | Kuyaedz | sweet. New printer should be here tomorrow. Gotta love NewEgg |
| 14:30.41 | ^Migs^ | I don't particularly love NewEgg |
| 14:30.57 | Kuyaedz | so far I've had no problems with 'em. |
| 14:31.00 | ^Migs^ | me neither |
| 14:32.02 | goozbach | god bless you Class::Struct |
| 14:32.18 | goozbach | I'm very much enjoying the coding lifestyle again |
| 14:33.16 | Kuyaedz | I really need to figure out how to write something to retrieve my bandwidth usage from my ISP & display it in an applet. |
| 14:34.17 | ^Migs^ | I know I shouldn't find this funny, but: http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9733/emoday8al.jpg |
| 14:34.39 | Kuyaedz | nice |
| 14:38.01 | ^Migs^ | http://www.betus.com/sports-betting/Will_World_end-2445.asp |
| 14:38.05 | brac | [BetUS.com Posts Odds On Whether or Not the Apocalypse Will Happen On 666] |
| 14:40.46 | redbeard1 | wow. one finds some interesting things when one starts browsing his web stats |
| 14:41.11 | redbeard1 | one of the search terms people used to find my blog was "making hash oil and water hash" |
| 14:41.26 | elg | the world can't end today, I have a presenation to give |
| 14:42.36 | jsmith | elg: I still wish I could make it to your presentation |
| 14:42.46 | elg | are they going to record? |
| 14:42.54 | jsmith | They're supposed to. |
| 14:43.11 | jsmith | Both record it w/ video, and hopefully setup an audio conf. bridige |
| 14:43.17 | jsmith | s/bridige/bridge/ |
| 14:43.35 | elg | how familiar with SIP do you think the group is? |
| 14:43.55 | jsmith | elg: I doubt a lot of people there know much more than the basics. |
| 14:45.11 | goozbach | redbeard1: for the longest time the leading search pointing to my site was "self inflating woopie cushion" |
| 14:45.30 | elg | misspelling and all? |
| 14:45.52 | goozbach | (misspeling mine) |
| 14:46.02 | redbeard1 | goozbach: wow.. which page were they hitting? |
| 14:46.09 | elg | did you have such a thing? |
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| 14:47.24 | tristanbob_ | hoooray! "Now Google Calendar works with Gmail for your domain, so every user at your domain can enjoy all the benefits of Google Calendar, including the useful integrations between Gmail and Google Calendar." |
| 14:47.34 | tristanbob_ | I have been waiting for this for a while |
| 14:47.58 | tristanbob_ | btw - gmail for your domain is a nice way to host ~50 users for free |
| 14:48.15 | tristanbob_ | 50 gmail accounts, and now with calendars, all with your domain name |
| 14:51.44 | Kuyaedz | ..and to think I spent all that time setting up my mail server :) |
| 14:55.57 | goozbach | redbeard1: I'd titled a blog entry that |
| 14:57.20 | goozbach | http://friocorte.com/atsyntkbwata/one-entry?entry%5fid=860 |
| 14:57.21 | redbeard1 | goozbach: nice. maybe i should try that. i could get all sorts of druggies looking for hash recipes! |
| 14:59.40 | redbeard1 | fat kids playing spiderman. |
| 15:00.15 | redbeard1 | ~lart fat kids playing spiderman |
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| 15:06.04 | mheath | tristanbob_, until someone uses a calendar 'feature' to fill up your public calendar with garbage :) |
| 15:06.32 | tristanbob_ | mheath: well - I have not tried a public calendar yet |
| 15:07.09 | mheath | well, actually, it doesn't have to be public. Just share it with someone |
| 15:07.20 | mheath | Say you share your calendar with a bunch of business people. |
| 15:07.41 | mheath | Then your friend uses google Calendars to invite you to some fake, recurring event with a rude or obscene title |
| 15:08.07 | mheath | Instantly your calendar is filled with "________ with Mike?" type stuff |
| 15:09.28 | tristanbob_ | I see - I have not ran into that yet |
| 15:09.52 | tristanbob_ | I have shared the calendar with my wife, and we each have write access to each others calendar |
| 15:10.37 | Kuyaedz | tristanbob_: I do the same. I love my Google Calendar |
| 15:11.46 | tristanbob_ | speaking of which - I think I can make the ubuntu meeting this saturday, and the interlug meeting the next |
| 15:12.08 | tristanbob_ | will try to convince my wife to come |
| 15:12.19 | tristanbob_ | she wants to list all of the things she doesn't like about ubuntu ;) |
| 15:12.58 | mheath | I love Ubuntu. |
| 15:13.00 | Kuyaedz | eek |
| 15:13.15 | mheath | Weird for me saying that, considering I used to be an exclusive Slackware user. That was a long time ago, though... |
| 15:13.35 | Kuyaedz | Slackware seems like its losing a lot of popularity.. never hear about it anymore |
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| 15:14.20 | ^Migs^ | except for right now |
| 15:14.23 | vontrapp | is there a program that can tell me a window's geometry? |
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| 15:15.06 | mheath | Mmm, yesterday was awesome. Lets see if today can be quite as awesome :) |
| 15:15.06 | tristanbob_ | ^Migs^: and right now |
| 15:15.18 | tristanbob_ | ^Migs^: oh, and now also |
| 15:15.34 | levi | Kuyaedz: I think Slackware is more popular than ever. It only really had a large percentage of Linux users when it was the only game in town. |
| 15:15.39 | tristanbob_ | mheath: way to be positive M! |
| 15:16.31 | vontrapp | tomorrow i go to california! |
| 15:17.09 | levi | Where in california? |
| 15:17.38 | goozbach | Jayce^, redbeard1, harleypig, or any other perl nut... |
| 15:17.53 | goozbach | familiar with Class::Struct? |
| 15:18.07 | goozbach | how do I override the new method? |
| 15:18.13 | vontrapp | palos verdes |
| 15:18.51 | goozbach | 'new' that is |
| 15:18.54 | herlo | http://www.google.com/googlespreadsheets/tour1.html |
| 15:18.57 | brac | [Google Spreadsheets - Sneak Peek] |
| 15:19.04 | goozbach | ~paste |
| 15:19.05 | ibot | somebody said paste was see http://paste.husk.org |
| 15:19.11 | brac | [pasting to global] |
| 15:19.48 | Kuyaedz | google is going to take over the world |
| 15:19.58 | herlo | just saw it on slashdot, looks cool. I already signed up to be one of the first to try it.... |
| 15:22.05 | levi | vontrapp: What's in Palos Verdes? |
| 15:22.10 | herlo | Kuyaedz: agreed |
| 15:22.49 | Kuyaedz | I just really hope they stick to the 'do no evil' |
| 15:23.38 | redbeard1 | goozbach: i'm afraid i've never used Class::Struct, but i think Jayce^ or harleypig might have... if they're lurking around anywhere. maybe neybar too? |
| 15:23.44 | vontrapp | what's google doing this time? |
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| 15:24.22 | vontrapp | levi: my fiancée's family |
| 15:24.49 | levi | vontrapp: Ahh, cool. :) |
| 15:24.57 | levi | vontrapp: Hopefully cool, at least. |
| 15:25.15 | vontrapp | yeah, it's cool, i already met them (and asked the dad) |
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| 15:27.08 | levi | I didn't bother asking my father-in-law beforehand. :) |
| 15:27.40 | levi | I'm not really much of a traditionalist. |
| 15:28.20 | levi | It's not like he didn't see it coming, though, and I knew he liked me and approved of the idea. |
| 15:28.46 | Kuyaedz | levi: I didn't either.. and we never spoke until the night before he died. |
| 15:29.27 | Kuyaedz | we did NOT get along |
| 15:32.14 | Kuyaedz | so what else does google need to finish the web-office? word processor? that shouldn't be too hard |
| 15:32.37 | levi | Didn't they buy that company that has one? |
| 15:32.46 | levi | (could I be any more vague?) |
| 15:33.03 | Kuyaedz | hehe |
| 15:35.19 | levi | Hmm, it's 06/06/06 today. Watch out for devils. |
| 15:35.19 | neybar | goozbach: do you want to completely override new? |
| 15:35.48 | herlo | vontrapp: http://www.google.com/googlespreadsheets/tour1.html |
| 15:35.51 | brac | [Google Spreadsheets - Sneak Peek] |
| 15:36.00 | ^Migs^ | wrong, levi: http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9733/emoday8al.jpg |
| 15:36.08 | Kuyaedz | Hmm.. TPB is the only place with the mp3 I'm looking for but its not working. |
| 15:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | 06/06/06 today. I graduate, 3:00 @ UVSC. |
| 15:36.42 | ^Migs^ | I bet there's a lot of mothers giving birth today who are freaking out |
| 15:37.13 | Kuyaedz | I bet the non-christian population are just shakin' their heads in disbelief |
| 15:37.50 | herlo | Kuyaedz: I hadn't heard anything about this before today. usually I know its coming down the pipe a little ahead of time. I suspect we will see one similar to word and at least a powerpoint alternative very soon.... |
| 15:38.30 | tensai | ~smack sjansen |
| 15:38.35 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 15:38.42 | herlo | Kuyaedz: have you tried http://allofmp3.com? |
| 15:38.49 | Kuyaedz | herlo: I've been hearing about Google's web-office product for a while, or rumour of it. From what I hear its freakin' out MS because Office is their bread-and-butter |
| 15:39.03 | herlo | well, I've heard that rumor |
| 15:39.21 | herlo | but I was meaning that I hadn't heard they were releasing this soon, usually I do |
| 15:39.57 | Kuyaedz | Ooh, yeah. I hadn't heard of anything coming yet.. looks like it'll all be in pieces. Gmail, Calendar, Spreadsheets... |
| 15:40.13 | Kuyaedz | pretty much everything an office needs, online & hopefully still free. |
| 15:40.17 | herlo | and then a nice little web-based office suite will be born and packaged |
| 15:40.35 | sjansen | busy busy busy |
| 15:40.49 | herlo | and probably sold as services within corporations or groups.... |
| 15:40.52 | tensai | sjansen: didn't you mention once something about a context sensitive grep? |
| 15:41.01 | Kuyaedz | I do hope they use an open format |
| 15:41.01 | levi | I don't know about you guys, but I still don't trust my browser with entering any data that takes longer than a minute or so. |
| 15:41.12 | herlo | Kuyaedz: me too |
| 15:41.51 | herlo | Kuyaedz: I bet we will know pretty soon, my guess is that we should know based upon how they save their spreadsheet files.... |
| 15:41.59 | Kuyaedz | between googles products & firefox + plugins I rarely need to leave my browser :) |
| 15:42.13 | herlo | true, true |
| 15:42.17 | herlo | but I prefer gaim!! |
| 15:42.49 | tensai | I prefer not to have all my eggs in one basket |
| 15:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ^Migs^, that national emo kid beat down day is amazing |
| 15:42.54 | elg | -weather klru |
| 15:42.54 | brac | 11 minutes ago, on Tue Jun 06 15:32:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 3.09 meters per second (6.90 miles per hour) from the West/Southwest at KLRU. The temperature was 29 degrees Celsius (84 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 26.8%. The sky was clear. |
| 15:43.27 | Kuyaedz | my avg loaded apps: firefox + a million tabs, gaim, bmp & a terminal |
| 15:43.37 | elg | -weather kvel |
| 15:43.38 | xbmodder | Server Error |
| 15:43.38 | xbmodder | Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 15:43.39 | brac | 51 minutes ago, on Tue Jun 06 14:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 1.54 meters per second (3.45 miles per hour) from the variable directions at KVEL. The temperature was 25.6 degrees Celsius (78.1 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1020 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 23.6%. The sky was clear. |
| 15:43.43 | xbmodder | noooooooooooooo! |
| 15:43.44 | tensai | Kuyaedz: bmp? |
| 15:43.59 | sjansen | tensai: Do you mean grep -A / grep -B / grep -C? Or something different. |
| 15:44.06 | Kuyaedz | beep-media-player. basically xmms using recent gtk so it looks nice. |
| 15:45.39 | tensai | sjansen: yes, sorta. I have a file like this. |
| 15:45.41 | tensai | heading |
| 15:45.41 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.41 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.03 | tensai | I want to grep key2 but only from a certain heading |
| 15:46.18 | tensai | but I don't know for sure how many keys there will be and the keys repeat in each section |
| 15:47.03 | tensai | basically, "find 'heading1', look for 'key2' but stop at 'heading2'" |
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| 15:50.21 | Kuyaedz | Hmm.. never heard of that before. "Current page served up by: AOLserver/3.5.10" |
| 15:50.54 | xbmodder | AOLserver is really crappy |
| 15:51.07 | Kuyaedz | well apparently thats what mapquest uses |
| 15:51.10 | xbmodder | its forTCL gurus |
| 15:52.07 | Kuyaedz | I use the Server Spy FF plugin.. curious on who uses what. |
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| 15:55.02 | vontrapp | Kuyaedz: just one terminal? |
| 15:55.14 | vontrapp | i can't keep mine at bay |
| 15:55.23 | vontrapp | it's like a full scale invasion within an hour or two of login |
| 15:55.43 | Kuyaedz | I try to use tabs when I can |
| 15:55.59 | vontrapp | fluxbox? |
| 15:56.11 | Kuyaedz | gnome. gnome-terminal supports tabs |
| 15:56.15 | vontrapp | oh |
| 15:56.29 | Kuyaedz | ctl-shift-t |
| 15:56.30 | levi | Now, this is weird. I have a server with a bunch of services running, but only ssh and rpcbind show up remotely via nmap. And iptables -L shows empty rules. |
| 15:56.55 | goozbach | neybar: I just want a single attribute have a single value |
| 15:57.10 | goozbach | default tat is |
| 15:57.48 | harleypig | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060606/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_soccer_world_churches |
| 15:57.54 | vontrapp | man, resuming a torrent that's saving over samba takes FOREVER |
| 15:58.07 | harleypig | "Churches across Germany are encouraging football fans to swap their barstools and pints for a pew and a prayer, hiring big screens to broadcast World Cup games to their congregations." |
| 15:58.25 | harleypig | vontrapp: turn of file verification |
| 15:58.47 | harleypig | Think the church would do this for Superbowl Sunday? |
| 15:59.47 | vontrapp | hehe, then their prayers for their team will maybe be more likely heard |
| 16:00.39 | harleypig | Should be interesting ... I wonder how many churches will be trashed. |
| 16:01.03 | vontrapp | maybe they'll be struck by lightning |
| 16:03.00 | redbeard1 | http://bokstavskex.framtid.nu/agi.asp |
| 16:03.03 | brac | [bokstavskex.framtid.nu - automatic biscuit image creator] |
| 16:04.32 | Kuyaedz | well that's useful |
| 16:05.42 | maquis | ~literal convert |
| 16:06.07 | maquis | ~convert 1 mile to barleycorns |
| 16:10.17 | tensai | for those of you following along, I just gave up on grep and wrote a 28 line perl script |
| 16:17.24 | Kuyaedz | rented 'Real Genius' last nite. Can you believe my wife has never seen it? :) |
| 16:17.31 | levi | tensai: Good plan. Grep is for regular expressions; your pattern was not a regular expression. :) |
| 16:17.59 | jlp_work | ~convert 1 mile to smoots |
| 16:18.06 | jlp_work | darn it |
| 16:18.22 | maquis | ibot: don't you know if it's invalid? |
| 16:18.26 | maquis | jlp_work: sup? |
| 16:18.26 | harleypig | Kuyaedz: is that the one where with val kilmer? |
| 16:18.32 | Kuyaedz | Yep |
| 16:18.41 | jlp_work | hey, maquis. how're things? |
| 16:18.49 | harleypig | that was a good one ... I can beieve it, my wife hasn't seen it. |
| 16:18.59 | maquis | jlp_work: going pretty well... keeping busy with classes for a few more months... |
| 16:19.07 | jlp_work | odd that ibot knows about "barleycorns" as a measure of distance, but doesn't understand "smoots" |
| 16:19.34 | tensai | ~convert 1 gallon to hogshead |
| 16:19.55 | levi | Wow, I didn't know hogs had such big heads. |
| 16:20.29 | tensai | that would make for some mighty large bacon |
| 16:20.35 | tensai | or head cheese |
| 16:22.10 | jlp_work | google calculator knows smoots: 1 mile = 945.671642 smoots |
| 16:22.48 | Kuyaedz | to optimize a Db in mysql is it simply 'mysql $user $password $db -o'? |
| 16:23.22 | tensai | ~blootbot |
| 16:23.24 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 16:23.32 | tensai | jlp_work: patches welcome :) |
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| 16:31.13 | jlp_work | hmmm, looks like unittab just needs a couple of additional lines: "smoot 67 inch" and "smoots smoot" |
| 16:32.18 | jlp_work | hmmm, maybe it will get the plural automatically, looks like the only plural listed is for inches (since it breaks the "add s" rule) |
| 16:34.50 | redbeard1 | harleypig: ping |
| 16:36.25 | findlay | ~convert 3.14 dollars into riyal |
| 16:36.42 | findlay | ~convert 3.14 dollars into riyals |
| 16:37.29 | harleypig | ~convert 973.345 dollars into miles |
| 16:37.53 | harleypig | ~convert 973.34 dollars into miles |
| 16:37.55 | jlp_work | harleypig: 8 |
| 16:37.57 | harleypig | picky bot |
| 16:38.08 | jlp_work | (depends on what you're driving) |
| 16:38.12 | harleypig | Invalid format?! |
| 16:39.40 | mheath | ibot: literal convert $amount dollars into miles |
| 16:40.02 | mheath | ~lart ibot |
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| 16:41.29 | levi | Stupid DSL died again. |
| 16:52.26 | harleypig | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/06/06/nvidia_ships_geforce_7950_gx2/ |
| 16:52.31 | brac | [Nvidia launches dual-GPU GeForce 7950 GX2 | Reg Hardware] |
| 16:52.35 | harleypig | "Nvidia said the 7950 GX2 can pump out 2bn vertices per second and fill 24bn pixels in the same timeframe. That's on its own - two of the twin-GPU boards can be connected together in SLI mode for even greater rendering horsepower, the company claimed. The 7950 GX2 uses SLI to link each of its own two GPUs." |
| 16:53.05 | levi | DSL is back up. The darned Qwest tech should have fixed my line. |
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| 17:05.04 | ScytheBlade1 | harleypig, and 76.8GB/sec of bandwidth |
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| 17:14.24 | harleypig | yeah, I saw that ... |
| 17:14.29 | tensai | ~lart maquis |
| 17:18.52 | harleypig | Google's doing spreadsheets ... interesting |
| 17:19.25 | ^Migs^ | everyone <3s spreadsheets |
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| 17:23.29 | findlay | if (everyone < 3) {spreadsheets;} |
| 17:25.02 | goozbach | ok so I just joined the noobosphere |
| 17:25.16 | goozbach | that's the first RTFM I've gotten in YEARS |
| 17:27.02 | vontrapp | goozbach: what'd you do? |
| 17:27.52 | goozbach | just posted a simpiler question into #perl |
| 17:28.26 | goozbach | but dammit, I _DID_ read the f'ing manual |
| 17:28.36 | suspence | jerks |
| 17:29.08 | vontrapp | ~lart perl |
| 17:29.10 | suspence | shall we start a perl elitist flame war? |
| 17:29.37 | suspence | are there any of those around here? |
| 17:29.58 | levi | Maybe Jayce^. ;) |
| 17:31.32 | harleypig | suspence: I might be able to help |
| 17:31.53 | harleypig | Perl RULZ!!!1!! |
| 17:32.40 | suspence | before this get out of hand, I like perl |
| 17:32.51 | suspence | and more importantly, I like perl people |
| 17:32.57 | harleypig | \m/ |
| 17:33.15 | harleypig | Even us obnoxious ones? |
| 17:33.36 | suspence | I'm just trying to support goozbach through this trying time |
| 17:33.39 | levi | I dislike perl, but perl people are mostly an okay bunch, if a bit misguided in some areas. ;) |
| 17:34.20 | suspence | yes, I find that the obnoxious perl people are often the best perl people |
| 17:34.29 | suspence | and possibly the only perl people ;) |
| 17:34.59 | harleypig | :D |
| 17:35.10 | harleypig | goozbach: did you get an answer to your question. |
| 17:35.18 | harleypig | heathen |
| 17:36.49 | goozbach | hp: here's what I started with: http://paste.husk.org/5828 |
| 17:36.50 | brac | [global paste from "goozbach" at 167.78.4.19...] |
| 17:37.24 | goozbach | and after reading up on what I was doing wrong, I came up with this (partly neybar's suggestion) |
| 17:37.28 | goozbach | http://paste.husk.org/5829 |
| 17:37.29 | brac | [global paste from "goozbach" at 167.78.4.19...] |
| 17:37.55 | harleypig | Ok ... I've never used Class::Struct ... reading doco on it now. |
| 17:38.23 | harleypig | Is this a problem you're having with C::S or with perl in general? |
| 17:38.32 | goozbach | OO perl in general |
| 17:38.57 | goozbach | I'm trying to override the new() method so I can add a default status |
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| 17:39.10 | harleypig | Oh. |
| 17:39.16 | harleypig | just a minute then |
| 17:41.59 | harleypig | hmmm ... I'm not clear on what you're intending you're code to do, so I'll do a generic one instead, then answer any questions I can. |
| 17:42.09 | harleypig | Give me a couple of minutes. |
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| 17:45.22 | findlay | ~give harleypig a couple of minutes |
| 17:45.24 | ibot | ACTION gives a couple of minutes to harleypig |
| 17:45.27 | goozbach | here's the goal, use Class::Struct for simplicity's sake, Create a new class NeverBlock::Temp::Struct, |
| 17:45.47 | harleypig | http://paste.husk.org/5831 |
| 17:45.48 | brac | [global paste from Someone at 63.108.71.6...] |
| 17:46.15 | harleypig | thx findlay :> |
| 17:46.24 | harleypig | goozbach: Does that help at all? |
| 17:47.24 | goozbach | let me refactor and have a go... |
| 17:47.31 | goozbach | ~give goozbach a few minutes |
| 17:47.32 | ibot | ACTION gives a few minutes to goozbach |
| 17:47.39 | harleypig | My ride is leaving for lunch in a few minutes ... if this doesn't answer your questions I'll be glad to help after I pickup lunch, about 25 minutes or so. |
| 17:47.45 | harleypig | I have another 5 before he leaves. |
| 17:49.11 | harleypig | Ok ... I guess I have less ... I'll be back in about 25 minutes. |
| 17:49.32 | goozbach | no prob |
| 17:55.13 | scottj | is 2MB/s average read/write speed for a fairly modern laptop (pentium M, so it's not too old) reasonable? |
| 17:57.40 | vontrapp | -lart gstreamer |
| 17:58.18 | tensai | scottj: read/write to what? |
| 17:58.28 | goozbach | harleypig: I've decided that this entire train of thought is incorrect |
| 17:58.32 | scottj | sorry, hard drive |
| 17:59.24 | goozbach | so nevermind |
| 17:59.41 | goozbach | it was an un-nessary optimization |
| 18:00.53 | tensai | scottj: my p3 500mhz laptop can read at 12MB/s |
| 18:01.37 | tensai | and this pathetic desktop of mine is 6MB/s |
| 18:04.29 | sjansen | tensai: Did you solve your grep problem? IIRC, I did nest greps to get context sensitive grepping. (Although with advanced sed you could have a single command equivalent.) |
| 18:05.03 | tensai | sjansen: yes. I gave up on grep and wrote my own perl script |
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| 18:12.26 | lars-ut | intersting newbie post http://www.itnews.com.au/newsstory.aspx?CIaNID=33305 |
| 18:13.01 | lars-ut | [Six things you didn't know about Linux] |
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| 18:13.12 | lars-ut | [why brac sucks] |
| 18:23.49 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone else getting weird spam with random numbers in it? |
| 18:24.08 | RyanE | not *weird* spam, but yeah, lots of it with random numbers lately |
| 18:24.35 | spr | They have all had the right number of digits to be phone numbers. at least the ones I'm getting. |
| 18:24.40 | RyanE | I'm talking about random numbers in the subject, though, so maybe you're talking about something else. |
| 18:25.06 | spr | I'm getting 3 numbers in the subject, then 4 in the body. |
| 18:26.56 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 18:27.04 | Uncle_Jesse | wonder what the spammers are trying to do |
| 18:27.11 | RyanE | ok, nevermind... I apparently haven't been seeing those. |
| 18:27.56 | Uncle_Jesse | if anyone figures it out I'd love to know |
| 18:28.43 | findlay | no fair. I want the cipher spam |
| 18:29.19 | lars-ut | I mostly see html forms mixed with passages of actual texts - I see "Gone With The Wind" quotes a lot lately. |
| 18:31.11 | harleypig | slightlyt more than 25 minutes sorry. |
| 18:31.25 | Uncle_Jesse | no, this is just numbers |
| 18:31.34 | Uncle_Jesse | various quantities of numbers in the subject and body |
| 18:34.35 | harleypig | It's a DaVinci Code knockoff |
| 18:37.01 | tensai | we've been seeing a ton of the number messages. they all are forged "from" the recipient and there's nothing nefarious contained, afaict. |
| 18:37.31 | herlo | lars-ut: are you getting my pm? |
| 18:37.40 | findlay | it's a conspiracy |
| 18:37.45 | tensai | I don't get why somebody would waste their spamly power on such a thing. maybe they sent the message prematurely. |
| 18:37.51 | findlay | it's directions to make a tin foil hat |
| 18:38.34 | harleypig | tensai: It's a pre-test |
| 18:39.13 | tensai | well hurry and put all those spambots on the blacklists before the real spam launches |
| 18:39.30 | harleypig | Send a semmingly harmless email/virus/whatever to make sure the concept works, then send the real content shortly after. |
| 18:39.39 | harleypig | no kidding |
| 18:41.22 | Uncle_Jesse | all I can think of is maybe their just trying to send e-mail without links to get through your spam firewall |
| 18:41.29 | Uncle_Jesse | and become whitelisted |
| 18:42.01 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone in SLC want to eat lunch? |
| 18:42.20 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Gotta ask earlier than this. :) |
| 18:42.21 | findlay | I want food |
| 18:42.23 | harleypig | No, its more and less than that. I think they're hoping that most people will say "I've got *real* problems to deal with, rather than an empty spam message." and not do anything about it at all. |
| 18:42.23 | levi | I just finished eating. |
| 18:42.37 | Uncle_Jesse | we should all try for next Tuesday |
| 18:42.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm in SLC every Tues |
| 18:42.44 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: A group from my company usually goes out to eat on Wednesdays. |
| 18:42.54 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Where are you when not in SLC? |
| 18:43.02 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: Park City |
| 18:43.11 | levi | Ahh, that's right. |
| 18:43.19 | findlay | ~food |
| 18:43.20 | ibot | i guess food is essential to life |
| 18:43.58 | Uncle_Jesse | harleypig: yeah - it's like what telemarketers do when you receive the calls with noone on the other end |
| 18:46.14 | lars-ut | herlo: yes |
| 18:55.30 | mheath | ibot, no, food is essential to life unless your a plant |
| 18:55.31 | ibot | okay, mheath |
| 18:56.06 | mheath | (please don't start a semantics argument over "Well, they just make their OWN food". It really isn't that important. I promise. |
| 18:56.08 | tristanbob_ | does debian keep the orgininal deb package on the hard drive? If so, when are these removed if ever? If never, where are these files located |
| 18:56.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I give my plants food |
| 18:57.08 | Uncle_Jesse | at least the package says it's "plant food" |
| 18:58.10 | tensai | tristanbob_: apt keeps files in /var/cache/apt/archives until you clean them off with apt-get clean or apt-get autoclean |
| 18:59.01 | tensai | mheath: as Uncle_Jesse points out, plants need quite a number of nutrients aside from water and sunlight, nitrogen being a major one |
| 19:01.26 | tristanbob_ | tensai: Excellent information - thanks |
| 19:04.18 | tristanbob_ | is there any reasons NOT to run apt-get clean? |
| 19:04.50 | tensai | if you want to reinstall a package without downloading it again |
| 19:05.00 | tensai | but generally no |
| 19:05.55 | tristanbob_ | ok - if I want to save space - I can clean this out |
| 19:06.19 | tristanbob_ | and if a package gets updated - it will redownload and store the file again |
| 19:06.47 | tristanbob_ | correct? |
| 19:06.49 | tensai | if the package gets updated it will be a new file name and will thus have to be downloaded regardless of whether you have the old one or not |
| 19:07.05 | tristanbob_ | interesting! |
| 19:07.23 | tristanbob_ | does apt-get remove old packages when a new one is downloaded? |
| 19:07.32 | tensai | no, keeps them all |
| 19:07.43 | tristanbob_ | even old versions? |
| 19:07.47 | tensai | yup |
| 19:08.29 | tristanbob_ | I wish I would have known this before I submitted my NeDiVA virtual appliance |
| 19:08.44 | tristanbob_ | I think this will save a lot of space - perhaps they will let me update it |
| 19:09.05 | tensai | it's kinda silly but fits with the debian mantra of leaving it up to the user |
| 19:10.26 | tristanbob_ | I just saved 360 MB |
| 19:10.42 | tristanbob_ | that is good info - especially if you are trying to save space |
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| 21:20.23 | nick125 | dunno if its just me on that or what, but.. |
| 21:21.43 | nick125 | ibot: you left? |
| 21:21.49 | nick125 | I didn't even notice it :p |
| 21:21.59 | lars-ut | ~SIGHUP |
| 21:22.01 | ibot | hickup! hickup! |
| 21:25.51 | herlo | nick125: but if your laptop segfaulted in the middle of your presentation, you could change your topic to recovering lvm (assuming you have an lvm partition on your hd) |
| 21:26.00 | herlo | maybe you could anyway |
| 21:26.03 | nick125 | LOL |
| 21:26.19 | lars-ut | ~weapons that should exist |
| 21:26.20 | ibot | from memory, weapons that should exist is "To meet the criteria for inclusion on this list, a weapon must theoretically be able to kick a minimum of twelve varieties of [arse]. Any weapons that kick fewer varieties are unworthy of inclusion and are automatically reclassified as 'toys.'" (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_that_don%27t_exist%2C_but_should) |
| 21:26.50 | findlay | ibot: where did you run off to? |
| 21:31.00 | nick125 | mmm |
| 21:31.04 | nick125 | its raining outside.. |
| 21:34.28 | herlo | lars-ut is having too much fun |
| 21:34.44 | findlay | ~fun lars-ut |
| 21:35.27 | lars-ut | Shuriken catapaults. |
| 21:35.33 | nick125 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Ballmer < lol |
| 21:35.38 | lars-ut | Lava Canon |
| 21:35.58 | lars-ut | nick125: I love the pic |
| 21:36.19 | nick125 | which one? |
| 21:36.37 | lars-ut | the green lasers shooting from ballmers eyes |
| 21:37.38 | nick125 | I love the code |
| 21:37.51 | nick125 | the da ballmer code |
| 21:38.00 | lars-ut | ~Steve Ballmer |
| 21:38.02 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, steve ballmer is a Homer Simpson lookalike and professional hitman for Khrushchev, from whom he was cloned, and from whom he learned to bury people, and picking up one of his trademark phrases, "We will bury you!" Born Yuri Stefanovich Ballmerski in Soviet Russia in 1949, he emigrated to the United States of America aged 17. |
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| 21:39.40 | nick125 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Steve_Ballmer |
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| 21:41.17 | herlo | the last coke is MINE!!!! haahahahahaha |
| 21:41.42 | herlo | my precious.... |
| 21:42.07 | nick125 | ... lol |
| 21:42.45 | nick125 | hmm..I didn't know satan had the largest ball of twine > http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Undictionary:S |
| 21:46.13 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.14 | herlo | The hypothetical point in quantum physics where, once the value of MC equals H to the A to the M to the M to the E to the R, everything stops. |
| 21:46.58 | herlo | yeah, very useful.....to frack with others... |
| 21:47.27 | lars-ut | ~Steve Ballmer |
| 21:47.29 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, steve ballmer is a Homer Simpson lookalike and professional hitman for Khrushchev, from whom he was cloned, and from whom he learned to bury people, and picking up one of his trademark phrases, "We will bury you!" Born Yuri Stefanovich Ballmerski in Soviet Russia in 1949 (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/User:Steve_Ballmer) |
| 21:47.44 | lars-ut | source cited. |
| 21:48.00 | nick125 | :D |
| 21:48.17 | herlo | lars-ut: repetitive use of sources does not constitute an article |
| 21:49.13 | lars-ut | herlo: but it does necessitate a citation |
| 21:49.24 | lars-ut | thwap |
| 21:50.16 | lars-ut | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/The_Root_of_All_Evil |
| 21:50.20 | herlo | ~pimpslap lars-ut |
| 21:50.22 | ibot | herlo pimpslaps lars-ut. ouch! |
| 21:50.37 | lars-ut | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Teletubbies |
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| 22:04.38 | lars-ut | ~rtfm |
| 22:04.39 | ibot | [rtfm] Read The F*cking Manual (TM) Interwebs-speak for 'Repeat the first message'. It is used when the message did not transfer over the Interwebs properly. If someone tells you to RTFM, be patient with them, and copy-and-paste your original message several times. (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/RTFM) |
| 22:06.11 | nick125 | wewt |
| 22:06.14 | lars-ut | lol |
| 22:06.16 | nick125 | new laptop came in today |
| 22:06.29 | nick125 | they just called :P |
| 22:06.43 | lars-ut | ~congratulate nick125 |
| 22:06.44 | ibot | ACTION congratulates nick125 on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 22:06.46 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:07.05 | nick125 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Vcard.png < LOL |
| 22:07.39 | nick125 | ibot: its $1,400, not $500.. |
| 22:07.44 | nick125 | shows how much you know! |
| 22:09.44 | nick125 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Copyright :D |
| 22:09.45 | nick125 | haha |
| 22:10.25 | nick125 | hahahahahaha |
| 22:10.25 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.25 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.29 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.34 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.19 | ^Migs^ | heh |
| 22:13.23 | ^Migs^ | I like the copyright music bit |
| 22:13.25 | ^Migs^ | Every time you download copyrighted music, whether or not you already have it on a CD, A REAL CD DISAPPEARS FROM THE SHELF OF A SHOP. The trouble is, music industry executives need every penny they can get just to live and bribe their favourite politician. Therefore, if you steal a song (perhaps by humming something you heard on the radio in your head), a real CD disappears from the shop, and so the music industry executive loses money on it, and so he can't eat |
| 22:13.28 | nick125 | lars-ut: we are having too much fun with this... |
| 22:13.35 | nick125 | ^Migs^: haha, yeah :D |
| 22:13.40 | nick125 | and the picture :P |
| 22:13.57 | nick125 | mmm.. |
| 22:14.53 | ^Migs^ | hahaha, I know |
| 22:15.57 | nick125 | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Microsoft |
| 22:20.24 | nick125 | Tue Jun 6 09:23:04 MDT 2006 |
| 22:20.31 | nick125 | I think my time is slightly off |
| 22:20.54 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:23.42 | lars-ut | nick125: slightly. |
| 22:23.56 | lars-ut | a bit. |
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| 22:27.50 | xbmodder_lappy | Yay, My ISP got DDoSed :-) |
| 22:28.10 | nick125 | cool |
| 22:28.28 | nick125 | heh |
| 22:30.04 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 22:30.16 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, They say they felt 24 GB/s |
| 22:30.34 | xbmodder_lappy | I didn't even know my ISP had 24 GB/s of bandwidth |
| 22:30.38 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:30.42 | nick125 | they probably didn't |
| 22:31.05 | xbmodder_lappy | They are at PAIX that has like an amazingly high amount of capacity |
| 22:31.56 | xbmodder_lappy | DNS DDoS |
| 22:31.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Everyone felt it |
| 22:31.56 | xbmodder_lappy | and it was right to the DSL circuits |
| 22:31.58 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 22:32.48 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:33.02 | xbmodder_lappy | did you try DSL extreme? |
| 22:33.16 | nick125 | they only provide service in CA |
| 22:33.27 | nick125 | or something like that |
| 22:34.03 | nick125 | http://speedtest.dslextreme.com/ < select all the text on that page.. |
| 22:34.39 | xbmodder_lappy | I can't |
| 22:34.50 | nick125 | did your mouse break? |
| 22:34.56 | xbmodder_lappy | I have crappy internet @ the hospital |
| 22:35.38 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:35.40 | xbmodder_lappy | or not.. |
| 22:35.46 | nick125 | it can't be worse then my speakeasy line -_- |
| 22:35.47 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, no. |
| 22:35.47 | xbmodder_lappy | :-? |
| 22:36.48 | nick125 | it can't..seriously.. |
| 22:36.49 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:37.25 | xbmodder_lappy | I am getting 94% loss to my gateway |
| 22:37.30 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:38.04 | xbmodder_lappy | just to my gateway I get 149 MS ping |
| 22:38.08 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 22:38.23 | xbmodder_lappy | later |
| 22:38.48 | nick125 | where are you going? |
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| 22:47.32 | harleypig | anyone know what the discount code for user groups are for oscon? |
| 22:47.45 | levi | Mmmmm, meats, cheeses, spreads, and bread from Trader Joe's. |
| 22:50.22 | lars-ut-away | ~K8L |
| 22:50.23 | ibot | rumour has it, k8l is the first AMD processor to have L3 cache since the K6 CPU. Each core has an independent L2 cache, but the entire processor shares an L3 cache pool. The K8L will be a 65nm SOI process... (http://digg.com/technology/AMD_Unveils_K8L:_Quad_Core_Desktops_And_So_Much_More) |
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| 22:51.47 | xbmodder_lappy | only about 200MS latency now. |
| 22:51.53 | xbmodder_lappy | nothing at all |
| 22:53.05 | xbmodder_lappy | and the packet loss is down to 12% |
| 22:53.10 | xbmodder_lappy | not bad I must say |
| 22:58.28 | xbmodder_lappy | .... |
| 23:04.38 | nick125 | http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/75124 < how ironic |
| 23:04.44 | brac | [broadband » News » Captain Copyright Caught Copying - Changes campaign content due to criticism] |
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| 23:22.38 | levi | Heh, someone introduced a bill to the House requiring military or civilian national defense service for all citizens of the US between 18 and 42. That's not going to go very far. |
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| 23:35.23 | Kuyaedz | anyone have suggestions on setting up a vpn without special hardware? |
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| 23:37.11 | Tene | openvpn? |
| 23:37.39 | Tene | Erm... I might be showing quite a bit of ignorance here, but... special vpn hardware? |
| 23:38.32 | Kuyaedz | Well in the past, although I didn't learn too much about it, our offices have had vpn hardware servers |
| 23:38.53 | nick125 | I'm about to throw crappy windows wireless networking out the window |
| 23:40.23 | synic | anyone on ubuntu? |
| 23:40.45 | Kuyaedz | yessir |
| 23:41.26 | synic | Kuyaedz: fancy trying out a deb for me? |
| 23:41.36 | Kuyaedz | synic: why not |
| 23:41.58 | Kuyaedz | ping tristanbob |
| 23:42.00 | synic | http://exaile.org/files/exaile_0.2_i386.deb |
| 23:42.51 | Kuyaedz | synic: installing now.. what should I be looking for afterwards |
| 23:43.14 | Kuyaedz | ..besides hoping my machine doesn't asplode |
| 23:43.16 | synic | just type exaile ... lemme know if it launches ok? |
| 23:44.28 | Kuyaedz | its running, although I have no media on this machine to test with |
| 23:44.46 | synic | good enough |
| 23:45.15 | synic | thanks :) |
| 23:45.23 | Kuyaedz | no problem |
| 23:45.27 | Kuyaedz | you make this? |
| 23:45.36 | synic | yeah |
| 23:45.47 | synic | hrmm, wonder if that .deb would work in debian |
| 23:46.09 | Kuyaedz | I did just manage to lock it up trying to call a url |
| 23:46.37 | synic | yeah... I'm not sure what to do about that yet. Gstreamer totally eats itself if it can't connect. |
| 23:47.35 | Kuyaedz | Hmm.. the url I'm connecting to is my gnump3d server which is password protected. This doesn't seem to see that or prompt me |
| 23:48.28 | synic | hrmm |
| 23:48.54 | Kuyaedz | although it does prompt me if launched from the terminal. The prompt is on the terminal I mean.. |
| 23:49.01 | synic | http://soma.fm/groovesalad.pls |
| 23:49.18 | nick125 | when I get home, time for some gentoo installing action! |
| 23:50.22 | Kuyaedz | Yeah, that works |
| 23:50.36 | Kuyaedz | I got some error messages coming from trying to load mine. Want me to pastebin 'em? |
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| 23:50.44 | synic | sure |
| 23:52.18 | Kuyaedz | http://christer.pastebin.com/764085 [after loading my local gnump3d] |
| 23:52.47 | Kuyaedz | pretty much all the same error, just kept going & going |
| 23:53.42 | synic | ack |
| 23:54.25 | Kuyaedz | looks like a nice app. a few things to streamline & it'll be great |
| 23:54.57 | synic | thanks |
| 23:55.12 | synic | yeah, still needs some work, but I'm getting ready for a beta release |
| 23:56.27 | Kuyaedz | synic: noticed a typo on exaile.org btw ;) |
| 23:56.37 | synic | oh? |
| 23:58.12 | Kuyaedz | second scentence. I'm assuming you're trying to say 'incorporates' but it says 'incooperates' |
| 23:58.37 | synic | oops |
