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00:16.17xbmodder_lappypong
00:16.19leviSo, I'm all finished with my jury duty now.
00:16.41xbmodder_lappylevi, cool.
00:16.41ScytheBlade1What was the case?
00:16.45TeneJury Duty is the name of a song by the supertones.
00:16.50xbmodder_lappydid you get the case?
00:17.01xbmodder_lappynick125, you got an HP?
00:17.08xbmodder_lappyCan I shoot you?!
00:17.16nick125LOL
00:18.55nick125it was that, a toshiba, or a sony..
00:19.01leviIt was Panda Express suing their general contractor for the fire that occurred when the restaurant in Provo near BYU burned down a few years ago.
00:19.54elgoh yeah? what was the verdict?
00:19.54elgwho dunnit?
00:20.44leviWe didn't think there was sufficient evidence to show a breach of contract.
00:22.16leviThe plaintiff thought that the fire started due to faulty construction of the ducts above the cooking hood, but their story seemed pretty darned implausible.
00:24.26elgso it started in the cooking hood?
00:24.39leviTheir fire investigator said it happened due to this effect where wood degrades over a long period of exposure to hot temperatures that aren't sufficient to directly ignite it.
00:24.48elgwas it during business?
00:25.06leviNo, it started above the cooking hood in the area between the ceiling and the roof.
00:25.54leviThe effect seems to be pretty well documented, though some papers were brought in that showed that the scientific basis of the explanation is in dispute.
00:27.03leviThe only thing is, it requires that the insulation around the duct was installed in a grossly negligent fashion, that it fell down within a couple of weeks of the store opening, and that the temperature in the duct was far hotter than seems remotely likely.
00:49.45elg-weather
00:49.46brac19 minutes ago, on Sun Jun 04 00:31:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 2.57 meters per second (5.75 miles per hour) from the East at KLRU. The temperature was 34 degrees Celsius (93 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 16.4%. The sky was clear.
00:49.49elg-weather kpvu
00:49.49brac15 minutes ago, on Sun Jun 04 00:35:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 6.17 meters per second (13.81 miles per hour) from the Northwest at KPVU. The temperature was 26 degrees Celsius (79 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 39.1%. The sky was clear.
00:50.28elg-weather kvel
00:50.29brac57 minutes ago, on Sat Jun 03 23:53:00 UTC 2006, the wind was blowing at a speed of 6.17 meters per second (13.81 miles per hour), with gusts to 9.26 meters per second (20.71 miles per hour), from the West/Southwest at KVEL. The temperature was 29.4 degrees Celsius (84.9 degrees Fahrenheit), and the pressure was 1016 hPa (30.00 inHg). The relative humidity was 10.8%. The sky was clear.    The maximum and minimum
00:50.29bractemperatures over the last 6 hours were 31.7 and 27.2 degrees Celsius (89.1 and 81.0 degrees Fahrenheit).
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02:36.03atoponcemysql or postgresql?
02:37.24atoponcewhich is better?
02:37.48ScytheBlade1for what? :)
02:38.12atoponce:)
02:38.17atoponcemassive tables
02:38.43atoponcewith literally millions of rows and 200+ fields
02:40.36atoponcei lean to mysql, but i need to know if it will import dbase tables
02:43.17ScytheBlade1should
02:43.29ScytheBlade1Considering that dbase doesn't know an int from a char
02:44.10nick125MSSQL
02:44.16atoponcewe use paradox at work, and if the table is larger than 500 mb, paradox won't alter it
02:44.43atoponcethe last table i worked on was 1.7 gb
02:44.46nick125most people seem to praise pgsql for large databases..
02:45.19ScytheBlade1anything will work fine
02:45.27ScytheBlade1Wrll, anything but paradox, apparently
02:45.38ScytheBlade1s/Wrll/Well/
02:46.20atoponcei was debating pgsql. i think findlay is fond of it
02:47.17ScytheBlade1A lot of people are
02:47.20ScytheBlade1It has the features
02:47.23ScytheBlade1MySQL has the speec
02:47.25ScytheBlade1*speed
02:47.39atoponcewhich is probably the most crucial for m
02:47.42atoponce*me
02:48.52ScytheBlade1Let's say thins
02:48.53ScytheBlade1*this
02:48.57ScytheBlade1You're moving from dbase
02:49.02ScytheBlade1Almost every option is good ;)
02:49.35atoponcei'll agree with you there
02:50.30ScytheBlade1I moved a database from Access to MSSQL today actually
02:50.37ScytheBlade1It had over 500000 rows in the end
02:50.39ScytheBlade1*in Access*
02:51.48atoponcenice
02:52.06ScytheBlade1No, scary
02:52.09atoponcei hear importing access files is easy and fast
02:52.16ScytheBlade1I'll give you that
02:52.18ScytheBlade1But that's about it
02:52.20atoponce(sarcasm)
02:52.38ScytheBlade1lol
02:52.42ScytheBlade1It's actually horribly easy
02:52.59atoponcewhat's the command?
02:53.07ScytheBlade1GUI wizard
02:53.16atoponceahh. of course
02:53.18atoponcesilly e
02:53.20atoponce*me
02:53.20ScytheBlade1that can take anything - csv, access, excel, I mean
02:53.22ScytheBlade1*anything*
02:53.27ScytheBlade1And convert it into anything else
02:53.31atoponcewhat gui?
02:53.50atoponcemysqladmin?
02:54.15ScytheBlade1Nope, sec
02:54.19ScytheBlade1logging in to give you the name
02:54.49ScytheBlade1oops, wrong box
02:54.50ScytheBlade1Sec more ;)
02:55.13ScytheBlade1lol
02:55.17ScytheBlade1"Import and Export Data"
02:56.26ScytheBlade1Whoa, it can import paradox
02:56.48atoponcemusic to my ears
02:56.51ScytheBlade1paradox, excel, dbase, csv, everything
02:56.57ScytheBlade1ODBC
02:57.21ScytheBlade1Grab a windows box + MySQL ODBC driver + your paradox DB
02:57.22ScytheBlade1Tada
02:57.39atoponcecool
02:57.46atoponceyou made my day
02:58.01ScytheBlade1Who says that a windows admin isn't good to have around in a linux channel? ;)
02:58.32ScytheBlade1Head to microsoft.com, grab SQL Server 2005 Express
02:58.38ScytheBlade1(Free version of MSSQL)
02:58.48atoponcehave a link to download the gui
02:58.50atoponce?
02:58.50ScytheBlade1Comes with that utility, and you don't have to install MSSQL to install that utility
02:59.03ScytheBlade1No, it comes with it :/
02:59.08atoponcecool
02:59.20ScytheBlade1http://www.microsoft.com/sql/editions/express/default.mspx
02:59.39ScytheBlade1Free download and all that
02:59.40atoponceyuk! proprietary software
02:59.46atoponce:)
02:59.49ScytheBlade1haha
02:59.57ScytheBlade1Well, it's for a good cause, and it doesn't have to stick around long ;)
03:00.22atoponcegoes against my principles
03:00.34ScytheBlade1I'll give you that
03:00.36atoponce:D
03:01.25nick125lol
03:01.29atoponcei tell ya, i hate working on the xp workstation. i feel all dirty and stuff
03:01.50atoponceafter work, i feel like i need a shower
03:02.04ScytheBlade1lol
03:02.12ScytheBlade1You'd hate my job ;)
03:02.26atoponceyes i would
03:02.28atoponcelol
03:02.41ScytheBlade1What's that? A Windows shop?
03:02.44ScytheBlade1;)
03:03.08atoponcelinux is open. no windows and no gates
03:03.59atoponce<sarcasm> who hasn,t heard that one?</sarcasm>
03:04.02ScytheBlade1lol
03:04.06ScytheBlade1I haven't actually ;)
03:04.19atoponceahh. cool
03:06.26ScytheBlade1As far as I'm concerned, Windows isn't going away
03:06.36ScytheBlade1And not learning it really is only restricting yourself
03:06.39ScytheBlade1So eh
03:07.15atoponceok
03:08.08atoponceon the reverse side of the coin, licenses will keep you from really doing what you could
03:08.33atoponceand they're only going to get worse
03:09.12ScytheBlade1True
03:09.15ScytheBlade1Licensing sucks
03:09.27ScytheBlade1Unless you're in education
03:09.38ScytheBlade1In which case it's $0.38/CAL instead of $20/CAL
03:10.53atoponcei think the educators would appreciate a pay raise. i know my wife would
03:11.09ScytheBlade1I attend Bingham High now (well, I won't in three days!)
03:11.19ScytheBlade1But about 1 in 5 or so teachers are leaving
03:11.22atoponcecongrats
03:11.38atoponcewhy?
03:11.43ScytheBlade1Jordan District
03:11.51ScytheBlade1No benefits, and worst salary in the state
03:12.29atoponcethis state needs an education overhaul
03:12.34ScytheBlade1It's true
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03:14.31ScytheBlade1that working out so far, atoponce?
03:15.04atoponcenot yet
03:15.36ScytheBlade1downloading still?
03:16.44atoponceyeah. brb.
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03:22.06ScytheBlade1He should
03:22.10ScytheBlade1With minimal effort
03:22.42tristanbobI asked this earlier, but only got a few responses.  Any recommendations for a linux friendly multi-function printer?
03:23.12ScytheBlade1Most any HP
03:23.47ScytheBlade1Oh, multifunction
03:23.51ScytheBlade1Sorry
03:31.08nick125_lappyHP multifunctions are supported in linux by the hplip drivers
03:32.24tristanbobwow - I didn't realize that synergy also synched the clipboard
03:32.34QBFreakniice
03:32.36tristanbobI think I'll have to give it a try
03:33.04QBFreakI don't have displays for all my machines, so I can't do that :)
03:33.10QBFreakI use a KVM
03:33.27nick125_lappyhttp://www.xubuntu.org/images/s_desktop_jmak2.png < WTF IS THAT?
03:34.08QBFreakit is...light blues
03:34.36tristanbobnick125_lappy: what is what?
03:35.00nick125_lappythat doesn't look like xfce4 -_-
03:35.10nick125_lappywhat did xubuntu do to it :/
03:36.47tristanbobubuntized it!
03:37.05tristanbobthey needed a common look to be an official project
03:37.14tristanbobyou can still right click like normal
03:37.27tristanbobhttp://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=660&slide=4&title=xubuntu+6.06+screenshots
03:38.18nick125_lappywhat the heck did they do to xfce though :/
03:38.22tristanbobnot sure if everyone saw this link as well....
03:38.23tristanbobhttp://osvids.com/
03:38.26brac[Video Library]
03:38.30xbmodder_lappywhy is dubai growing so quickly?
03:38.39tristanbobnick125_lappy: I can assue you it is xfce
03:39.31tristanbobgood video of XGL on Ubuntu 6.06
03:39.45tristanbobhttp://osvids.com/files/page3-1036-pop.html
03:39.46brac[Dapper XGL]
03:40.13nick125_lappyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperXubuntuGtkTheme?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xubuntulook-graphite.png < I like the theme though
03:44.15QBFreak!seen wbniv
03:44.22QBFreakwrong char, wrong bot
03:44.25QBFreak~seen wbniv
03:44.43ibotwbniv <n=WillNorr@200-77-209-55.ctetij.cablered.com.mx> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 46d 13h 22m 26s ago, saying: 'azeem: great, thanks very much for the info.  i'll pass it on'.
03:44.43QBFreakfine, ignore me...
03:45.15nick125_lappylol
03:45.18QBFreakwow, he was around more recently than that, just not in ibot places I suppose
03:45.37QBFreakMIA for a bit now, no one knows what happened
03:45.57Supaplex~lart taco bell
03:46.09QBFreakibot: did you just eat there? :)
03:46.22QBFreakand that was not very lady-like
03:47.52Supaplexewps
03:48.16QBFreakfiiiire!
03:49.27QBFreak6" flame, its fun
03:50.40QBFreakits also nearly impossible to light with the built-in striker
03:52.52nick125_lappygah
03:53.20nick125_lappyI can't wait for my new lappy to come in
03:53.22tristanbobahhh for some reason I thought synergy was like a kvm
03:53.30tristanbobbut it is really just a km
03:53.33QBFreakyeah
03:54.11tristanbobthat reduces my interest in it  
03:55.51tristanbobAdd video switching, automatic encryption, and copying of objects and it will conquer the world
04:29.27nick125_lappylol
04:30.02nick125_lappyVNC? :D
04:30.30QBFreakmerge VNC and synergy maybe
04:34.45nick125_lappyhah
04:34.51nick125_lappypressing page down crashed firefox here!
04:36.13nick125_lappylayman is cooool
04:41.20ScytheBlade1"heard"?
04:41.26ScytheBlade1I have a GF4MX440, aka a GF2
04:41.35ScytheBlade1Outperforming an ATi 9700PRO (under linux)
04:41.52ScytheBlade1Never mind the fact that the two cards are a good four or more generations apart ;)
04:42.58QBFreakgranted I did not actually reboot, I just did a "Switch User"
04:46.21QBFreakwhen in doubt, install more!
04:49.03QBFreakyay!
04:49.10QBFreakconfigure later, eat now
05:00.10nick125_lappyScytheBlade1: my new lappy has nvidia :D
05:00.19ScytheBlade1nick125_lappy, good
05:00.31nick125_lappynvidia geforce 7400 go
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05:01.21ScytheBlade1nice
05:02.04nick125_lappycore duo 1.66ghz
05:03.19nick125_lappy1gb ram, 100gb hd
05:12.50nick125_lappyLOL @ the hp manual (I'm reading it online, since I don't have the lappy yet)
05:13.05nick125_lappy"1.66-GHz Dual Code"
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05:18.29ScytheBlade1I need to resurrect my  jukebox
05:19.33ScytheBlade1s/  / /
05:26.08mheathScytheBlade1, do you run Vista currently, or is your fascination just from reading their product info pages? :P
05:26.25ScytheBlade1mheath, thanks for the vote of confidence
05:26.36nick125_lappylol
05:26.45mheathScytheBlade1, just answer the question :)
05:26.59ScytheBlade1I really want to reply with something of value, but I have this odd feeling that you simply wouldn't care
05:27.25mheathScytheBlade1, do you run Vista?
05:27.29ScytheBlade1currently? No
05:27.35ScytheBlade1I did run it for a month though
05:28.10mheathScytheBlade1, how did you deal with their piracy prevention methods?
05:28.24ScytheBlade1mheath, ha. hahahaha.
05:28.45ScytheBlade1mheath, I mentioned earlier, I talk with one of the head developers of Visual Studio.
05:28.53ScytheBlade1mheath, I have what one would call "connections"
05:29.10mheathScytheBlade1, any chance to could get me a "connection"?
05:29.18mheathI'm leaving this laptop for my sister to use when I gone
05:29.24ScytheBlade1mheath, nope, I've known the guy for years :P
05:29.47mheathShe won't understand anything other than Windows, and I don't want to leave her with something that will go obsolete soon.
05:29.57mheathScytheBlade1, tell him you have a friend who'd like a copy...
05:29.58ScytheBlade1XP will not be obselete soon
05:30.03ScytheBlade1Only 9x is obselete
05:30.16ScytheBlade12k will be within 3-ish years
05:30.25ScytheBlade1But XP will be fine for a very long time for the "average user"
05:33.04mheathScytheBlade1, no chance you could talk to him? :(
05:33.14mheathJust tell him you have one friend who'd like a copy.
05:33.14ScytheBlade1mheath, oh I could talk. No chance it'd go anywhere.
05:33.22ScytheBlade1That said, you *can* sign up for the public beta...
05:33.35mheathScytheBlade1, where? And what happens when it's released?
05:33.41ScytheBlade1The beta dies?
05:33.46ScytheBlade1http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/beta/default.mspx
05:34.05mheathScytheBlade1, not even the Beta version will run anymore?
05:34.14ScytheBlade1Well duh :p
05:34.22ScytheBlade1Why in the world would they do that?
05:34.26ScytheBlade1"Here's a non-expiring beta..."
05:35.04mheathThat's even worse. I'll leave her with a nonfunctional computer.
05:35.17ScytheBlade1Do a google "I'm feeling lucky" for "microsoft api"
05:35.36ScytheBlade1That post is the reason why MS is backporting IE7, WDF, and other core Vista components, to XP
05:37.45ScytheBlade1It's a post you'd rather enjoy, if for no other reason than this:
05:37.46ScytheBlade1"Microsoft's crown strategic jewel, the Windows API, is lost. The cornerstone of Microsoft's monopoly power and incredibly profitable Windows and Office franchises, which account for virtually all of Microsoft's income and covers up a huge array of unprofitable or marginally profitable product lines, the Windows API  is no longer of much interest to developers. The goose that lays the golden eggs is not quite dead, but it does have a terminal d
05:37.46ScytheBlade1isease, one that nobody noticed yet."
05:37.49ScytheBlade1;P
05:38.15xbmodder_lappythe vonage commercial with a crab is weird
05:39.10nick125_lappyno, you are just weird
05:44.07ScytheBlade1mheath, reading?
05:44.54mheathScytheBlade1, It's not a very good article...imho...
05:45.00ScytheBlade1mheath, why not?
05:45.30mheathScytheBlade1, because I fail to see how the consclusions it draws about windows market share are really exclusively a loss of use of the Windows APi
05:45.44ScytheBlade1Well let me connect the dots in the end
05:45.58ScytheBlade1Nearly half of the reason to upgrade to vista is being backported to XP
05:47.21ScytheBlade1Prime example being IE7, which was not going to be there for anything but vista period, and you were going to be SOL if you were on XPSP2 or *lower* - they were giving you the option of upgrade or 3rd party
05:47.30ScytheBlade1Same deal with their display UI, the works
05:47.34ScytheBlade1XP will be fine for a long time
05:47.41xbmodder_lappynick125_lappy, hey
05:50.53ScytheBlade1well
05:50.56ScytheBlade1I'm going to bed
05:50.57ScytheBlade1night
06:08.56nick125stupid laptop shut off for no reason :/
06:42.25xbmodder_lappyhow much does some anthrax cost?
06:42.28xbmodder_lappyand overnight shipping?
06:44.56QBFreakI bet its illegal for me to sell you flour and call it anthrax
06:45.18maquisxbmodder_lappy: ummm...
06:45.47nick125xbmodder_lappy: and, no, you cannot have my address, thank you very much.
06:47.21QBFreakoh that one is easy, 125 Nick st. Albuquerque, NM
06:47.27nick125LOL
06:47.32nick125wrong
06:47.35QBFreakdarn
06:47.42QBFreakdid I at least get the city?
06:47.47nick125almost
06:48.50QBFreakaha! your real name is 'Domains by Proxy'!
06:49.00nick125omg how did you guess?
06:49.06QBFreaknot tellin
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07:02.23nick125_lappyxbmodder_lappy: anyways, I'm gonna go to bed...please don't send me anthrax,I got enough problems, and, yes, I was kidding about getting atarack some apple Xserve servers
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09:13.27dkelsonyo
09:13.34dkelsonanyone awake?
09:19.04dkelsonThe Treo700p with EVDO is an amazing difference versus the T650. Half the latency makes my ssh sessions feel very responsive.
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16:19.22mheathmmm, hot, fresh cinnamon rolls
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16:49.08mheathHmm, how easy is it to strip down gnome?
16:49.32mheathThat is, I want the session and desktop management features....but a completely different Window Manager. No nautilus, no gnome-panels.
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18:46.07tensaiNewsome: they mentioned you in the latest CS alumni newsletter
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19:20.12utah_proleDoes anyone know if there's something similar to Perl's 'explode' in Bash?
19:23.31xbmodder_lappywho is the asterisk god here?
19:24.08xbmodder_lappyI need to know rates to pakistan, mexico, Phillipines
19:24.08xbmodder_lappy, Bangladesh
19:24.08xbmodder_lappy, Srilanka
19:24.08xbmodder_lappy<PROTECTED>
19:24.21xbmodder_lappyand need to find a cheap calling card printing machine
19:24.33nick125LOL
19:24.42xbmodder_lappynick125, talk in PM
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21:33.08xbmodder_lappygive me something you want to know about thats technology related.
21:33.29xbmodder_lappytell me something you want to know about thats technology related, please.
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