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| 00:25.30 | mrpull | xbmodder_lappy: get several good customers and give them a perk for referring new business |
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| 00:42.02 | mrpull | the suse install hung in Vmware workstation |
| 00:42.17 | mrpull | hence the previous player image question :) |
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| 01:29.04 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/music/2006/Dilvie_-_Redemption.mp3 |
| 01:29.07 | dilvie | just finished! |
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| 01:36.46 | tristanbob | dilvie: Did you write that? |
| 01:37.14 | dilvie | tristan: yes. |
| 01:37.37 | tristanbob | very cool stuff! |
| 01:38.13 | tristanbob | what do you compose with? |
| 01:38.34 | tristanbob | and what genre do you call it? |
| 01:39.11 | dilvie | I used Renoise for this |
| 01:39.33 | dilvie | and on the mp3, I've classed it as drum and bass, even though it's clearly not entirely true |
| 01:39.44 | dilvie | it's the closest thing I could think of. |
| 01:40.40 | elg | dilvie: sounds nifty |
| 01:41.01 | elg | even on my little laptop speakers I can tell you wanted my plugin. sorry about that. :( |
| 01:42.31 | dilvie | hehe |
| 01:42.33 | dilvie | it's cool. |
| 01:42.41 | dilvie | I couldn't have used it in this competition, anyway. |
| 01:42.50 | elg | oh, for a competition? |
| 01:42.51 | dilvie | It's Renoise Native only stuff. |
| 01:42.53 | tristanbob | I have written some small pieces before |
| 01:42.55 | dilvie | yes. |
| 01:43.17 | elg | what kind? |
| 01:43.17 | tristanbob | dilvie: best of luck on winning! |
| 01:43.20 | dilvie | Oh, I don't think I'll win. |
| 01:43.31 | dilvie | what kind of what? |
| 01:43.38 | elg | i do happen to be at a house with xp for the week, and if I had just remembered my visual studio CDs... |
| 01:43.50 | elg | I can probably get it to work with ming or something. i'll have to play with it |
| 01:44.14 | elg | when my eyes glaze over from reading ardour code |
| 01:44.24 | elg | what kind of competition? |
| 01:45.44 | tristanbob | dilvie: sort of reminds me of David Arkenstone music |
| 01:47.02 | dilvie | elg: oh, a tracking contest. |
| 01:47.11 | dilvie | for Renoise modules. |
| 01:47.50 | dilvie | The challenge is to create a tracked piece using only Renoise native plugins and a pre-selected set of samples. |
| 01:48.02 | vontrapp | what is Renoise? |
| 01:48.13 | dilvie | It gives the artists some tough restrictions, and shows off what Renoise is capable of. |
| 01:48.14 | dilvie | www.renoise.com |
| 01:48.23 | dilvie | a modern tracker |
| 01:48.28 | dilvie | with an oldskool feel. |
| 01:54.52 | bertbob | for a minute there I thought you were talking about a type of pipe organ |
| 01:54.53 | bertbob | LOL |
| 01:56.18 | bertbob | trackers are mechanical action pipe organs, as opposed to pneumatic or electric action |
| 02:01.41 | dilvie | bert: does it sound like this was done on a pipe organ? |
| 02:01.43 | dilvie | ;) |
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| 02:30.00 | levi_ | Hi. |
| 02:35.15 | dilvie | Hi Levi |
| 02:41.12 | maquis | ~spell egregrious |
| 02:41.27 | maquis | ~dict egregious |
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| 02:51.58 | lukfugl | g'd evening |
| 02:52.57 | bertbob | dilvie: no, it sounds like trance disco |
| 02:52.59 | bertbob | LOL |
| 02:53.40 | dilvie | trance disco? |
| 02:53.52 | dilvie | I take it you're not terribly familiar with either of those genres? |
| 02:53.55 | dilvie | =) |
| 02:54.00 | lukfugl | so, I'm finally getting a second tower to play with at home (hand me down from my wife after we upgraded her computer) |
| 02:54.22 | lukfugl | and I'm faced with the oh so important choice of choosing a distro |
| 02:54.27 | dilvie | About the only thing it has in common with trance or disco is that it's electronic and beat-driven. |
| 02:54.40 | lukfugl | let the flames/evangelizing/suggestions begin |
| 02:54.57 | dilvie | debian. |
| 02:55.10 | bertbob | well on that (debian) we agree |
| 02:55.16 | bertbob | ;) |
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| 02:56.18 | lukfugl | yes, I've had debian and enjoyed it. If I go the apt route, however, I'll probably take ubuntu... |
| 02:56.41 | lukfugl | I'm kinda leaning to a source distro though, like gentoo. Alas, I'm not familiar with the others in that genre |
| 03:03.01 | lukfugl | any sourcies want to weigh in with their opinion? |
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| 03:13.41 | mrpull-x | lukfugl: what benefit do you expect to get from a source based distro? |
| 03:15.47 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 03:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | So, this myspace abomination |
| 03:16.15 | ScytheBlade1 | For my school, some kid from another school came and posted about two pages of "bingham sucks, you're all stuck up etc. etc. etc. etc." |
| 03:16.17 | lukfugl | mrpull-x: fun, primarily :) |
| 03:16.30 | lukfugl | this is mostly an experimental box, not a primary box |
| 03:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Naturally With Ever Singly Word In Caps Kinda Like This In An Amazingly Annoying Fashion |
| 03:16.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Second reply to it: |
| 03:16.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "we run like girls but you talk %#% on the internet?...... Dumb#$@" |
| 03:17.25 | mrpull-x | lukfugl: ok. that is a valid goal. |
| 03:17.34 | maquis | ~spell obliterate |
| 03:17.44 | lukfugl | yeah, I'm not doing it for "performance" gains :) |
| 03:18.14 | mrpull-x | gentoo is probably the route to go then, but I'll still vote for ubuntu just for grins |
| 03:18.50 | lukfugl | what other source based distributions are there? |
| 03:19.19 | lukfugl | *blink* |
| 03:19.34 | mrpull-x | lukfugl: Linux From Scratch |
| 03:19.43 | mrpull-x | lukfugl: Sourcerer (SP?) |
| 03:19.48 | lukfugl | Ruby based package management, hmm... |
| 03:20.10 | mrpull-x | lukfugl: yowzers... what distro uses ruby for package management? |
| 03:20.40 | lukfugl | Heretix... looks pretty young still however |
| 03:21.04 | lukfugl | according to wikipedia, was "very very early beta stage" in June 2005 |
| 03:21.26 | mrpull-x | ahh. i'll pass. |
| 03:21.37 | mrpull-x | HA! |
| 03:22.11 | lukfugl | yeah, I liked that one :) |
| 03:22.43 | mrpull-x | lots of fire on this one. you cant lose with fire. |
| 03:23.02 | lukfugl | seen the "painting with dynamite" one? |
| 03:23.45 | mrpull-x | i started watching it and fell to sleep. somehow I deleted it from my tivo before I watched it. |
| 03:25.42 | Supaplex | hopefully you set your options right :) |
| 03:27.08 | mrpull-x | now that I think about it... i started watching it late at night |
| 03:27.46 | mrpull-x | fell to sleep, and (you'd have to have a tivo to understand it goes back to live tv after a long period of inactivity) |
| 03:28.06 | mrpull-x | got woke up by a "late night" show on cinemax |
| 03:28.30 | lukfugl | ah |
| 03:28.38 | mrpull-x | i started mashing buttons to get that crap off the tv |
| 03:28.41 | lukfugl | one of "those" |
| 03:28.53 | mrpull-x | and deleted that episode |
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| 03:40.21 | mrpull-x | oh dang. they have exploding pants with a faulty trigger! |
| 03:41.15 | mrpull-x | poor buster |
| 03:42.05 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 03:42.10 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah, that one is cool |
| 03:42.35 | xbmodder_lappy | ~8ball will she like michael? |
| 03:42.40 | ibot | Yes. |
| 03:42.45 | xbmodder_lappy | ~8ball will she me? |
| 03:42.48 | ibot | No. |
| 03:42.53 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 03:43.13 | xbmodder_lappy | ~8ball is the 8ball accurate? |
| 03:43.14 | ibot | Yes. |
| 03:43.25 | lukfugl | lol |
| 03:43.29 | xbmodder_lappy | is im messing with ibot again? |
| 03:43.38 | xbmodder_lappy | s/im/tim/ |
| 03:44.06 | xbmodder_lappy | well, both work, me or michael. |
| 03:44.23 | xbmodder_lappy | can you believe for the first time I have actually been having good luck with girls? |
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| 03:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ~8ball is xbmodder_lappy a liar? |
| 03:48.07 | ibot | Negative. |
| 03:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Well I feel cheated |
| 03:48.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ~8ball is xbmodder_lappy a liar? |
| 03:48.21 | ibot | Unsure. |
| 03:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | That's better |
| 03:48.32 | spengy | hehe |
| 03:49.14 | spengy | ~8ball Did spengy pass his math test? |
| 03:49.16 | ibot | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 03:49.20 | spengy | w00t |
| 03:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 03:49.38 | lukfugl | ~8ball were you being sarcastic? |
| 03:49.39 | ibot | Please ask again. |
| 03:49.46 | ScytheBlade1 | 10s wait |
| 03:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Can't say the same thing twice within 10s |
| 03:49.55 | lukfugl | ~8ball were you being sarcastic? |
| 03:49.56 | ibot | Negative. |
| 03:50.02 | spengy | double w00t! |
| 03:50.05 | lukfugl | ok, you're safe :) |
| 03:50.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ~8ball are you a liar? |
| 03:50.26 | ibot | Please ask again. |
| 03:50.34 | ScytheBlade1 | make me wait 10 seconds... |
| 03:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ~8ball are you a liar? |
| 03:50.41 | ibot | Yes. |
| 03:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go |
| 03:52.17 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ~roulette |
| 03:52.25 | ibot | ACTION watches scytheblade1 pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 03:52.45 | lukfugl | ha HA! |
| 03:52.51 | lukfugl | (in a nelson voice) |
| 03:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, your turn for ~roulette |
| 03:53.07 | spengy | ScytheBlade1, I think you've been shot every time on roulette |
| 03:53.14 | mheath | ~roulette |
| 03:53.15 | ibot | ACTION watches mheath pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 03:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | so has mheath ;) |
| 03:53.29 | maquis | -roulette |
| 03:53.32 | mheath | ~literal roulette |
| 03:53.33 | ibot | "roulette" is "<action> watches $who pull the trigger: ( Click! | Click! | Click! | Click! | Click! | BANG!)" |
| 03:53.40 | ScytheBlade1 | -roulette |
| 03:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 03:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | brac isn't here |
| 03:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | - won't work |
| 03:53.58 | mheath | ~lart brac |
| 03:54.01 | lukfugl | ~roulette |
| 03:54.03 | ibot | ACTION watches lukfugl pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:54.03 | maquis | where's brac? |
| 03:54.03 | maquis | :( |
| 03:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | So, we're stuch with ~roulette |
| 03:54.11 | maquis | ~roulette |
| 03:54.13 | ibot | ACTION watches maquis pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:54.16 | ScytheBlade1 | s/stuch/stuck/ |
| 03:54.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~roulette |
| 03:54.24 | ibot | ACTION watches scytheblade1 pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:54.40 | lukfugl | ~roulette |
| 03:54.42 | ibot | ACTION watches lukfugl pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:54.48 | lukfugl | *whew* |
| 03:55.34 | ScytheBlade1 | hey mheath! ;) |
| 03:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Your turn |
| 03:55.55 | mheath_ | ~roulette |
| 03:55.57 | ibot | ACTION watches mheath_ pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 03:56.08 | mheath | Thanks :) |
| 03:56.14 | mheath | Your turn, ScytheBlade1! |
| 03:56.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate you all |
| 03:56.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ~roulette |
| 03:56.31 | ibot | ACTION watches scytheblade1 pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 03:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate you all. |
| 03:56.34 | lukfugl | lol |
| 03:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 03:56.36 | spengy | ba-hahaa |
| 03:57.09 | spengy | ~roulette |
| 03:57.10 | ibot | ACTION watches spengy pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ~roulette |
| 03:57.23 | ibot | ACTION watches scytheblade1 pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:57.35 | lukfugl | ~roulette |
| 03:57.37 | ibot | ACTION watches lukfugl pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:58.12 | mheath | ~roulette |
| 03:58.13 | ibot | ACTION watches mheath pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:58.16 | mheath | :) |
| 03:58.22 | mheath | maquis, your turn! |
| 03:59.23 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 03:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | or xbmodder_lappy |
| 03:59.32 | ScytheBlade1 | He'd do nicely |
| 04:01.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/ |
| 04:02.56 | spengy | haha |
| 04:02.57 | spengy | awesome |
| 04:03.03 | spengy | I like the author jumping rope with seaweed |
| 04:03.49 | lukfugl | one last one for the road... |
| 04:03.51 | lukfugl | ~roulette |
| 04:03.53 | ibot | ACTION watches lukfugl pull the trigger: Click! |
| 04:04.14 | lukfugl | whee, I get to go to sleep tonight alive! |
| 04:04.14 | lukfugl | g'nite all |
| 04:05.45 | spengy | http://www.thyla.com/fan-art.html <--------- I'm frightened of this |
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| 04:13.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ~roulette |
| 04:13.27 | ibot | ACTION watches xbmodder_lappy pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 04:14.11 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 04:23.04 | xbmodder_lappy | google maps measuring tool |
| 04:23.08 | xbmodder_lappy | google maps points |
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| 04:35.19 | findlay | ~lart flashified web sites |
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| 04:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | My year-long-wheezing-cough makes sense now |
| 04:46.23 | ScytheBlade1 | The carpet in my room hasn't been cleaned (like with water/soap/etc) since it was put in |
| 04:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Lift up mattress, hey what's this wall of dirt coming at me BOOM |
| 04:50.20 | xbmodder_lappy | :-| |
| 04:50.29 | xbmodder_lappy | just call up the EPA |
| 04:50.41 | xbmodder_lappy | and say your room is covered in WMDs |
| 04:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Or the carpet cleaners |
| 04:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | To show up tomorrow at 3:00 |
| 04:51.58 | levi_ | ScytheBlade1: You clean carpets with a steamer, not water/soap/etc. :) |
| 04:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Steamers utilize both water and soap :) |
| 04:52.50 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, and levi_, your turn for ~roulette |
| 04:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 05:06.10 | findlay | ~answer |
| 05:06.15 | ibot | 42 |
| 05:06.35 | findlay | ibot: how did you know that? |
| 05:11.39 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you guys think about a girl dating a guy who is a year older/girl dating a guy who is a year younger? |
| 05:12.05 | Supaplex | uhm.. how many people are involved? |
| 05:12.26 | xbmodder_lappy | in what? |
| 05:13.10 | Supaplex | you asked, what do you think? |
| 05:13.51 | xbmodder_lappy | I don't know |
| 05:14.01 | Supaplex | then it doesn't matter. |
| 05:14.13 | xbmodder_lappy | I think the girl dating a guy older is socially acceptable |
| 05:14.20 | xbmodder_lappy | I think the girl dating a guy younger is not socially acceptable |
| 05:14.33 | Supaplex | how so? |
| 05:17.11 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:17.20 | xbmodder_lappy | I don't think age gaps are good |
| 05:17.53 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, well, long story short, I am trying to make a 16 year old attractive, intelligent girl, become less afraid of guys |
| 05:17.57 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah.. |
| 05:18.23 | Supaplex | so they have to be born on the same day. |
| 05:18.46 | findlay | same day, but different years will do |
| 05:18.54 | xbmodder_lappy | no i think +/- 3 months will do. |
| 05:18.57 | Supaplex | after a certian age, the age gap blurs. |
| 05:18.59 | findlay | so you could be 100 years apart |
| 05:19.31 | Supaplex | I think it's up to them :) |
| 05:19.37 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, and you? |
| 05:20.04 | Supaplex | if they're both legal, and not minuplated, no ulterior motives, then what could be wrong? |
| 05:20.29 | Supaplex | I might ventore for the 10yr+ gap, but the lesser stuff is less clear. |
| 05:20.32 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: you'll find it doesn't matter as much once you get out of grade school where age grouping enforces social ideas like this |
| 05:20.37 | Supaplex | venture* |
| 05:26.21 | xbmodder_lappy | Supaplex, see, thats the problem. |
| 05:26.33 | Supaplex | elaborate |
| 05:27.10 | xbmodder_lappy | ok older guy has previously had ulterior motives |
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| 05:55.47 | maquis | boo! |
| 05:56.38 | linuxalien | Hi |
| 05:57.36 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: nothing wrong with small age gaps once you're out of school |
| 05:57.48 | maquis | as far as whether a 1 year difference in either way is a problem, i'd say "no" |
| 05:57.54 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 05:57.57 | xbmodder_lappy | thank you |
| 05:57.59 | maquis | however, if the gap is sgnificantly larger |
| 05:58.04 | xbmodder_lappy | it might be a little weird though |
| 05:58.07 | xbmodder_lappy | younger guy |
| 05:58.10 | maquis | (ie, freshman girl dating senior guy), it's a bit different |
| 05:58.21 | maquis | linuxalien: sup? |
| 05:58.41 | linuxalien | maquis, Just about to go sleep but was messing with my computer first |
| 05:58.47 | maquis | linuxalien: cool |
| 05:58.53 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 05:58.58 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, also tell me this: |
| 05:59.06 | xbmodder_lappy | we are both in this competiton |
| 05:59.12 | xbmodder_lappy | our teams are REALLY competitive |
| 05:59.17 | linuxalien | maquis, yeah, I like playing with my ibook |
| 05:59.25 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: different teams? |
| 05:59.26 | xbmodder_lappy | and my team is putting pressure on me to screw her over |
| 05:59.30 | maquis | linuxalien: nice... |
| 05:59.30 | xbmodder_lappy | macnewbold, yeah |
| 05:59.43 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: don't |
| 06:00.06 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah I know that |
| 06:00.31 | maquis | i don't know how to deal with your team --- probably just tell them that they're being stupid.... |
| 06:00.34 | xbmodder_lappy | but do you think it will look bad? |
| 06:00.44 | maquis | look bad in what way |
| 06:00.46 | maquis | ? |
| 06:02.33 | linuxalien | maquis, I like having something portable |
| 06:02.55 | maquis | linuxalien: yeah... |
| 06:03.01 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, that our relationship might destroy her team. |
| 06:03.19 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: why would the relationship destroy her team? |
| 06:03.39 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah, my relationships that work tend to do that |
| 06:03.56 | linuxalien | I'm gonna get some sleep, night maquis - nite all. My caffeine just ran out. :) |
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| 06:04.37 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: not sure... i think i'd need to understand the situation better, and have more experience to help out more |
| 06:06.18 | xbmodder_lappy | can we talk in PM? |
| 06:07.02 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: sure |
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| 12:51.44 | dcarter | ~seen goozbach |
| 12:51.57 | ibot | goozbach <n=goozbach@207.108.175.219> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 15h 52m 17s ago, saying: 'sjansen: what's the url for Contex again?'. |
| 12:51.58 | dcarter | ibot: seen goozbach? |
| 12:52.00 | ibot | goozbach <n=goozbach@207.108.175.219> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 15h 52m 20s ago, saying: 'sjansen: what's the url for Contex again?'. |
| 12:52.05 | dcarter | bah |
| 12:52.09 | dcarter | ~lag |
| 12:52.14 | ibot | hmm... lag is very bad here :( |
| 12:52.21 | dcarter | yes, yes it is |
| 12:52.32 | dcarter | blargfooblarg |
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| 14:21.29 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 14:21.50 | redbeard1 | ~lutefisk tensai |
| 14:21.51 | ibot | ACTION seals tensai in a bottle of rotting cod |
| 14:22.15 | redbeard1 | good morning! |
| 14:22.45 | tensai | made any more fudge? |
| 14:22.56 | redbeard1 | not yet |
| 14:23.16 | tensai | I laughed pretty good at ruth's comment |
| 14:23.24 | redbeard1 | we spent all of monday oot and aboot, so yesterday i spent recovering |
| 14:23.31 | redbeard1 | yeah. dang her. |
| 14:23.57 | redbeard1 | that's okay. i've chastised her for buying commercial demiglas too. i deserved it. |
| 14:24.19 | tensai | ah, crud. power's out. I can't read my screen. |
| 14:24.40 | tensai | if you can hear me, send electrons this way |
| 14:24.51 | Jayce^ | ~zap tensai |
| 14:24.53 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives tensai a good jolt. |
| 14:34.01 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 14:34.30 | elg | ~lart tensai |
| 14:34.40 | elg | a troll without power |
| 14:38.12 | Jayce^ | so elg you just enjoying your vacation? |
| 14:38.17 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 14:38.26 | elg | hacking ardour |
| 14:38.31 | elg | and enjoying vacation |
| 14:38.34 | Jayce^ | ah yes |
| 14:38.37 | elg | sometimes they overlap |
| 14:38.46 | Jayce^ | tried doing anything with plug? |
| 14:39.06 | elg | nope |
| 14:39.17 | goozbach | for what? |
| 14:39.22 | elg | just say yes |
| 14:39.29 | Jayce^ | he is single, not like he's doing anything else |
| 14:39.48 | elg | and he's not even spending 10 hours a week in airp{orts,anes} |
| 14:39.56 | elg | s/anes/lanes/ |
| 14:40.25 | goozbach | that 10hrs/week seems to be getting sucked up by a certian someone |
| 14:40.42 | Jayce^ | we know better than that goozbach |
| 14:40.51 | goozbach | I wish |
| 14:41.01 | goozbach | needy chicks |
| 14:41.14 | elg | don't worry, it's a mostly 0-time job |
| 14:41.26 | elg | all you have to do is fend off Jayce^ and change the reply-to setting now and then |
| 14:41.26 | Jayce^ | especially when there is available drive space :) |
| 14:41.40 | harleyjpig | http://bash.org/?644329 |
| 14:42.27 | goozbach | harleyjpig: you are just wrong |
| 14:42.40 | Jayce^ | very |
| 14:43.07 | goozbach | I just about choked on my gummy bear |
| 14:43.17 | Jayce^ | mmm... breakfast... |
| 14:43.23 | harleyjpig | :D |
| 14:44.43 | elg | one gummy bear for breakfast? |
| 14:45.09 | harleyjpig | ow ... someone just turnd on the lights |
| 14:45.15 | harleyjpig | I hate it when they do that. |
| 14:45.31 | Jayce^ | elg, this is goozbach.. .he filled a bowl with them, then poured in a bawls.... |
| 14:45.31 | vontrapp | ~flash harleyjpig |
| 14:45.56 | harleyjpig | oh ... that sounds good ... |
| 14:46.33 | Jayce^ | part of this complete breakfast... |
| 14:48.03 | goozbach | ha ha! ONE gummy bear!!! |
| 14:48.28 | harleyjpig | ~commit goozbach |
| 14:48.32 | goozbach | I mean geez |
| 14:48.53 | goozbach | I just bought 5-12pks of Pepsi this morning |
| 14:49.06 | goozbach | (they were on sale) |
| 14:49.06 | Jayce^ | a few months back I took 1 bear, licked the back, and stuck it to the metal end of the cube wall... |
| 14:49.13 | goozbach | ohh |
| 14:49.15 | harleyjpig | goozbach: why not just buy cases of 24? |
| 14:49.21 | Jayce^ | better than super glue..... |
| 14:49.37 | Jayce^ | you push on the bear, and the whole cube moves |
| 14:49.48 | goozbach | woah, when did harleypig become harley-J-pig? |
| 14:50.11 | goozbach | harleyjpig: because the 12pks were on sale |
| 14:50.21 | goozbach | I got 5 for $8.00 |
| 14:51.16 | harleyjpig | pretty good deal |
| 14:51.29 | goozbach | yeah, had I more trunk space I'd have bought 10 |
| 14:51.37 | harleyjpig | hmm ... looks like I got disconnected at some point |
| 14:51.56 | harleyjpig | irssi reconnected me and found my first nick being used. |
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| 14:55.15 | harleypig | Seems like every 2 months or so I have to restart irssi. |
| 14:56.06 | Jayce^ | it doesn't like you |
| 14:56.25 | harleypig | yeah, and you probably don't likeme either ... |
| 14:56.34 | harleypig | that's all right ... you'll be missing an arm soon. |
| 14:56.47 | Jayce^ | harleypig, of course I don't like you... |
| 14:56.49 | Jayce^ | you knew that.. |
| 14:57.02 | Jayce^ | missing an arm... |
| 14:58.02 | goozbach | AND?... |
| 14:58.14 | goozbach | your point is? |
| 14:58.26 | Jayce^ | notice where harleypig is now... |
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| 15:00.21 | goozbach | I think he's insinuating that you'll "Cut your arm off!!!" |
| 15:00.36 | goozbach | ~cut Jayce^ |
| 15:00.47 | harleypig | memo to self: Don't type /quit at the beginning of the line |
| 15:01.04 | harleypig | I was referring to a Star Wars scene |
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| 15:13.16 | harleypig | http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html |
| 15:13.32 | harleypig | Turns normal speak into 12 yr old AOL speak. |
| 15:15.57 | nick125 | of course, all translators are usually wrong.... |
| 15:16.25 | nick125 | of course, there aren't a shortage of 12 year old AOLers on IRC so finding someone to translate your message isn't hard.. |
| 15:24.36 | harleypig | AOLer on IRC?! When did this happen? |
| 15:24.50 | harleypig | I though AOL was limited to AOLs space. |
| 15:25.10 | harleypig | Of course, I haven't done anything with AOL in more than 12 years ... |
| 15:25.45 | nick125 | /who *.aol.com |
| 15:26.10 | nick125 | then you have the cheap knockoff AOLers |
| 15:27.40 | nick125 | /say |
| 15:27.55 | tensai | in xchat you just type two slashes |
| 15:27.57 | tensai | /see? |
| 15:29.09 | harleypig | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/31/bladerunner_final_cut/ |
| 15:29.41 | harleypig | BladeRunner to be rereleased on DVD |
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| 15:30.09 | harleypig | With the comment "we suspect Warner will continue to milk this replicant cash cow with further releases including the "Linux programmers' cut" (lots and lots of extra Daryl Hanna and Sean Young), and the "What is it with Ridley Scott and bloody unicorns? cut" (no bloody unicorns)." |
| 15:30.12 | goozbach | aparently that doesn't work in irssi |
| 15:30.17 | goozbach | :* |
| 15:30.23 | harleypig | goozbach: what? |
| 15:30.32 | goozbach | double slah |
| 15:30.37 | goozbach | slash |
| 15:31.02 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:31.10 | harleypig | So you tried it with the quit command? |
| 15:31.19 | goozbach | yup |
| 15:31.25 | nick125 | goozbach: it doesn't....I should've told you :p |
| 15:31.30 | goozbach | *blush* |
| 15:31.40 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:31.51 | goozbach | oh that's only kinda cool |
| 15:31.51 | nick125 | harleypig: nothing too serious.. |
| 15:31.57 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:32.11 | harleypig | nick125: Double pronged paper clip |
| 15:32.12 | tensai | you've all heard that you can make somebody else quit, right? /quit <username> |
| 15:32.12 | goozbach | sticking a bullet into a light socket is slightly cooler |
| 15:32.31 | nick125 | tensai: does that work? |
| 15:32.47 | tensai | surprisingly, yes |
| 15:32.57 | nick125 | let's see it first |
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| 15:33.55 | nick125 | login as another client or something so you don't accidently quit out someone here :( |
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| 15:35.42 | nick125 | wow, thats amazing |
| 15:35.45 | tensai | tensai_ take that, sucker |
| 15:36.05 | nick125 | I'll keep that in mind next time someone gets online.. |
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| 15:38.07 | harleypig | I was gonna say I didn't think we were all that noobish, but I guess so ... :> |
| 15:39.20 | goozbach | I had a noobasphere moment back there |
| 15:39.55 | nick125 | :D |
| 15:40.47 | tensai | http://bash.org/?362137 |
| 15:43.03 | nick125 | i know :D |
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| 15:44.45 | nick125 | http://bash.org/?645382 |
| 15:46.26 | nick125 | I wonder..would that actually be possible.. |
| 15:47.17 | harleypig | nick125: what? doing /quit <user> ? |
| 15:47.34 | nick125 | no, crashing pastebin |
| 15:47.48 | harleypig | heh |
| 15:48.06 | harleypig | I doubt it, pastebin is pretty stable by this point |
| 15:49.03 | maquis | doh... class in a few minutes |
| 15:49.15 | harleypig | I don't suppose anyone has any idea on what to do for my stoopid nvidia setup? I get a black screen on startx, like the screen is being put into power saver mode, but it never comes out. |
| 15:49.40 | harleypig | I hear the kde start music, and I can ctl-alt-bsp twice, but the screen never coms back. |
| 15:49.55 | harleypig | If I type sudo reboot, wait a few seconds and type the password the system reboots. |
| 15:50.20 | nick125 | first of all, do you have the monitor pulled in? |
| 15:50.25 | nick125 | second, anything in logs? |
| 15:52.18 | harleypig | It's a laptop. :] Nothing unusual in the logs that I can see, except that it says something about not enough memory for the resolution and its choosing auto-select mode. |
| 15:53.04 | nick125 | that might be why..try a lower resoution |
| 15:53.51 | harleypig | It does it for *all* resolutions. |
| 15:54.05 | harleypig | And I'm using 1920x1200 right now with the nv driver. |
| 15:55.41 | nick125 | what card? |
| 15:57.43 | harleypig | GeForce Go 7800 GTX |
| 16:02.17 | nick125 | what version drivers? |
| 16:05.08 | harleypig | 1.0.8762 |
| 16:05.12 | harleypig | the latest as far as I can tell |
| 16:05.31 | harleypig | log says Mode "1600x1200" is too large for NVIDIA Default Flat Panel |
| 16:05.43 | harleypig | for all modes. |
| 16:07.45 | Jayce^ | so, maybe it's the screen issue, the DFP doesn't have those settings |
| 16:07.48 | Jayce^ | modes |
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| 16:24.38 | sjansen | ~onjoin #utah -sjansen |
| 16:24.38 | ibot | sjansen: ok |
| 16:25.00 | sjansen | ~onjoin _default sjansen |
| 16:25.05 | sjansen | ~onjoin sjansen |
| 16:25.22 | sjansen | Shoulda found out who set that first... :-( |
| 16:26.35 | sjansen | You're all stinky pants! |
| 16:26.40 | sjansen | ~lart #utah |
| 16:36.20 | sjansen | o/~ Macho, macho man... ~/o |
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| 16:44.03 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:49.15 | xbmodder_ppc | hey |
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| 17:00.57 | sjansen | elg: freak |
| 17:01.29 | mheath | haha, I have to agree :P |
| 17:02.23 | elg | sjansen: thanks :) |
| 17:02.39 | elg | anyone know how i can get the blurb vertically aligned with the logo |
| 17:02.41 | elg | ? |
| 17:05.17 | tensai | elg: tables, tables, tables |
| 17:05.29 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 17:05.45 | elg | i agree it's silly to avoid tables when they're the right thing, but this is not a case of when tables are the right thing |
| 17:05.56 | elg | the structure of the document is not tabular |
| 17:06.04 | elg | you'll notice I used a table down lower though, where the data is tabular |
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| 17:12.27 | mheath | tables should NEVER be used for page layout |
| 17:12.41 | mheath | though I'm still confused why they removed them, even for data presentation. |
| 17:14.06 | elg | who removed them? |
| 17:14.33 | mheath | elg, Tables don't exist anymore in XHTML 1.0 Strict, and are nowhere to be seen in XHTML 2.0 I think |
| 17:14.58 | mheath | Its because half the internet was stupidly using them for page layouts, when thats not what they're meant for. |
| 17:15.47 | mheath | though, I personally think they're still good for data presentation (IE, displaying stuff that should be displayed in a table...figures, spreadsheet like data, etc), which is why I regard their overall removal to be a bit odd |
| 17:16.23 | Migs | no, they shouldn't. Just for presentation. |
| 17:16.30 | Migs | presentation-wise, they easily beat any CSS alternative |
| 17:17.07 | Migs | where did you hear that tables don't exist in XHTML? |
| 17:17.25 | mheath | Migs, They don't exist in XHTML 1.0 Strict, thats a fact. |
| 17:17.44 | mheath | And I've been looking through the XHTML 2.0 working spec, and they're not in there, I *think*. |
| 17:17.52 | Migs | uh |
| 17:18.31 | Migs | I'm afraid they do, mheath |
| 17:18.46 | Migs | why on earth would they remove tables? |
| 17:21.36 | mheath | Hmm, your right. |
| 17:22.09 | Migs | I can't see tables being removed from the specs anytime soon, either |
| 17:28.08 | mheath | System.proxies.http."www.google.com".getGUI(); mmmm |
| 17:30.13 | macnewbold | despite what many people will say, tables still have a place in layouts, but they really only should apply to tabular layouts |
| 17:30.42 | macnewbold | divs and CSS still stink when it comes to making fluid layouts that maintain column widths and row heights across multiple divs |
| 17:31.02 | macnewbold | the only way to get the cells to match sizes is to fix them statically, from what I've found |
| 17:31.27 | macnewbold | but with tables, it's a very simple matter to have the cells grow to fit the content, yet still keep other things in the row/column to the right size |
| 17:31.44 | mheath | No. HTML is for displaying marked up information. If you have a problem with your ability to layout a page, time to join WWWC and suggest fixes for CSS :) |
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| 17:32.58 | macnewbold | there isn't need for a fix except in people's biases against tables, IMHO |
| 17:33.23 | macnewbold | if my layout happens to consists of rows and columns, then that is a table |
| 17:33.39 | macnewbold | and therefore, I feel that the table tags in html are a perfectly appropriate way to mark that up |
| 17:34.19 | macnewbold | it's not a problem with ability to lay it out at all... it's a problem of the standard not supporting a way to do good fluid layouts without using tables |
| 17:34.22 | mheath | macnewbold, HTML was deisgned as a way of representing information. Its a way of marking up information. |
| 17:34.26 | macnewbold | right |
| 17:34.40 | mheath | Tables are not an appropriate way to mark up random columns of information. |
| 17:34.52 | macnewbold | who said they were random? |
| 17:35.07 | mheath | Because Tables are designed to view spreadsheet-like data. |
| 17:36.24 | macnewbold | like it or not, HTML+CSS are also a way of expressing a visual depiction |
| 17:36.44 | macnewbold | so sometimes you do things that change the visual depiction that don't really have to do with the actual data in there |
| 17:37.13 | mheath | The way I see it, HTML should be used for only a few things: |
| 17:37.14 | macnewbold | if it was designed to be only machine readable, the you wouldn't need to worry about the way it looks, just the way it is marked up, like XML |
| 17:37.19 | mheath | 1) Showing Data |
| 17:37.27 | mheath | 2) Linking that data with other data (Links) |
| 17:37.40 | macnewbold | but if you are communicating to a person, the way it looks communicates things that aren't in the data alone |
| 17:37.47 | mheath | 3) Marking data as being of a particular type or sygnificance, so it can better be rendered or processed by a browser |
| 17:37.56 | mheath | Those are the only three things it should do |
| 17:38.10 | mheath | macnewbold, Yes, and so you accomplish that with CSS. |
| 17:38.14 | macnewbold | then what should be used to control the rendering? |
| 17:38.24 | macnewbold | CSS alone can't control the rendering to the degree that HTML+CSS can |
| 17:39.00 | macnewbold | like it or not, HTML tables can _still_ do things that you can't do with pure CSS |
| 17:39.30 | macnewbold | until that is remedied, I'll happily continue to use tables when I have content that I want expressed in a tabular way |
| 17:39.43 | mheath | macnewbold, It just frustrates me that a lot of the power and flexibility in HTML is worthless because of that kind of thinking. A static, flat representation exactly the way you want it to. |
| 17:40.06 | mheath | You think of HTML pages as a painting, when in reality HTML is designed to create a flexible and powerful markup for data |
| 17:40.32 | macnewbold | yes, but like it or not, the role of HTML+CSS is to make a painting too |
| 17:40.40 | vontrapp | why in the heck doesn't vertical-align work on block elements? |
| 17:40.52 | macnewbold | there are billions of such paintings on the web today |
| 17:41.01 | mheath | Markup that is designed to do many neat, powerful, and interrelating things; unfortunately, you can't do any of that on a large scale, because so many people are convinced that unncessary markup (like tables for layout) is good practice |
| 17:41.10 | macnewbold | exactly... you can't vertical-align: middle inside a div..., but you can inside a table cell |
| 17:41.26 | macnewbold | until CSS gives me the tools I need to paint my painting, |
| 17:41.29 | macnewbold | I'll use what I can :) |
| 17:43.10 | mheath | If everyone used HTML properly, you'd be able to create web browsers that could display information in powerful and novel ways........things would be linked together in an advanced, layered way, meaning that relationships, pathways, and visual representations of a page would be renderable by the browser. |
| 17:44.24 | mheath | if people used HTML correctly, I could, for example, take and create a 3D web browser. But thats really not possible, because so much of peoples uses focus on painting the perfect 2D picture in one or two browsers, and also on unnecessary enapsulation in containers like tables |
| 17:44.37 | macnewbold | if CSS could completely handle all the needs of visual layout control, then html would just be about marking up the data. but it doesn't. |
| 17:44.44 | macnewbold | it's a chicken and egg problem |
| 17:45.22 | macnewbold | you can't separate out your html and css the way you advocate unless either (1) you give up some functionality, or (2) css gets fixed first |
| 17:45.33 | Migs | HAHAHAHA: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2215134624286135022 |
| 17:45.57 | mheath | So, your argument is: This flexible and powerful format's couterpart (CSS) doesn't do things quite the way I want. So, lets take and abuse the hell out of this format (HTML) so my website looks pretty in a couple of browsers. |
| 17:46.12 | elg | can anyone do me a ie check? hans.fugal.net/tmp/ago |
| 17:46.41 | mheath | I just see peoples abuses of HTML dumbing down what could be a very powerful and novel WWW. |
| 17:47.08 | macnewbold | the other part of the problem is that even if CSS gets fixed, until an acceptable number of users will have an acceptable experience with the browser they're using to view your content, sites will be forced to (1) do it the old way, or (2) give up the functionality and look they want |
| 17:47.13 | QBFreak | mheath: wanna see my site with blinking and scrolling and lots and lots of animated gifs? :) |
| 17:47.19 | QBFreak | oh and midis |
| 17:47.32 | macnewbold | mheath: abuse is all relative |
| 17:47.54 | macnewbold | yes, many people did (and do) extreme things that html purists despise |
| 17:48.20 | macnewbold | but when everyone is doing it, such that it is practically a de facto standard practice, is it really abuse? |
| 17:49.16 | macnewbold | it's only with the advent of CSS that people decided that html shouldn't be the thing that controls the visual aspects of the rendering of the document |
| 17:49.44 | macnewbold | anyway, this is fun and all, but I've got to run at the moment. I'll be back in a couple of hours to rebut. :) |
| 17:51.20 | vontrapp | can i just say, i'm working on a site that somebody used a horrendous amount of tables in for layout, and it is A PAIN to maintain |
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| 17:54.21 | elg | css is good because it is simpler. when css is not as simple, it may not be the best approach |
| 17:54.31 | harleypig | LUNCH! |
| 17:54.55 | elg | tables can be useful for tabular layout, but not for silly spacer images and rounded corners and all that stuff. it becomes impossible to edit by hand |
| 17:55.29 | vontrapp | it makes finding what you want to edit 100x harder |
| 17:55.59 | vontrapp | and then yes, you can't even edit it |
| 17:58.40 | vontrapp | in activerecord, when adding an element to somethings collection, what method would i override to do a little bookkeeping along the way? |
| 17:59.02 | vontrapp | e.g. author.books << some_book |
| 17:59.34 | vontrapp | author marks some_book as it's most recent work |
| 18:00.21 | vontrapp | or rather, author informs fan there is a new book |
| 18:12.57 | Migs | actually, I prefer XSL over CSS for many things |
| 18:13.05 | Migs | little late, I know |
| 18:13.32 | Migs | but XSL is too awesome to ignore |
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| 18:41.53 | sjansen | elg: a single presentational table is not a mortal sin |
| 18:42.09 | sjansen | especially if you take the time to think about lineralization and screen readers |
| 18:42.40 | mheath | Sigh. |
| 18:43.05 | sjansen | If you've thought about, and you've decided that one table (at most two) is the right decision, then you are practicing good design. |
| 18:43.31 | sjansen | Design is about compromise, trying to find a balance a between conflicting objectives. |
| 18:44.02 | goozbach | sjansen: silly, it's all about blanket statements and face-value assumptions. |
| 18:44.06 | sjansen | Design is not about blindly following rules like "no tables" just because you read somewhere that using tables is bad(tm). |
| 18:44.37 | elg | sjansen: yes it is! I read something that said no sjansens too and I'm sticking by it |
| 18:44.38 | goozbach | sjansen: YES IT IS? |
| 18:44.45 | elg | no sjansen on my website |
| 18:44.58 | goozbach | we're at war with tables |
| 18:45.00 | elg | seriously, I agree with you 100% |
| 18:45.07 | goozbach | we have always been at war with tables |
| 18:45.23 | elg | but you must never let the dreamweaver users hear you say a table is ok |
| 18:45.46 | mheath | com.Comast.Customers.USA.SLC.fkheath.desk0.shared.getList(); mmmm :) |
| 18:45.46 | mheath | sjansen, I don't think it was a matter of Design. The argument was that HTML isn't the place for design, I think. |
| 18:47.23 | mheath | com.Comcast.Customers.USA.SLC.fkheath.desk1.shared.offer(com.Comcast.Customers.USA.SLC.fkheath.desk0.applications.firefox.instance0.getDisplay()) |
| 18:47.33 | mheath | mmm, the more i work on this, the more I love it |
| 18:47.36 | mheath | Or simply: |
| 18:47.52 | sjansen | *sigh* I just wrote a top posting/trimming email, followed by defending design tables. I feel like I'm stuck in a Ground Hog's day time warp. |
| 18:48.09 | sjansen | Maybe it's time to give up and let everybody wallow in ignorance. |
| 18:48.18 | emcnabb | "Sjansen Hog Day" |
| 18:48.18 | sjansen | The Internet will fall apart. |
| 18:48.30 | mheath | local0.desk1.shared.offer(System.applications.firefox.instance0.getDisplay()) |
| 18:48.34 | sjansen | Fire will rain from the sky. |
| 18:48.47 | lars-ut | again? |
| 18:48.56 | sjansen | But I just don't care anymore. |
| 18:49.09 | goozbach | mheath: why must you bother us with your python code? |
| 18:49.13 | goozbach | looking for help? |
| 18:49.36 | goozbach | or just channel.utah.spamm(lots) |
| 18:49.37 | mheath | to share a GUI display :) |
| 18:49.42 | mheath | goozbach, thats not python/ |
| 18:49.45 | sjansen | Oh, lookey there, macnewbold already did a more than adequate (and quite verbose) job of defending tables. |
| 18:50.09 | mrpull- | sjansen: I subscribe to a GPS mailing list... I have never seen anyone trim a single message. It is maddening. |
| 18:50.22 | mrpull- | they don't even trim when they respond to the digest messages |
| 18:50.32 | sjansen | Oo, I really hate that. |
| 18:50.35 | mrpull- | BUT, it is the norm of the community and I just kinda have to deal with it |
| 18:51.18 | mheath | goozbach: That's code related to FlexNet, a global distributed object framework I'm working on |
| 18:51.41 | sjansen | It used to be the norm of American society that everybody threw there trash in the street. |
| 18:51.42 | graphyx | top post? |
| 18:52.27 | sjansen | I know you've seen old movies with people slipping on bananas. "What a funny gag, but that'd never actually happen." you probably thought. |
| 18:53.09 | lars-ut | graphyx: when replying or forwarding to a msg, putting your reply above the previous msg instead of below it to give context. |
| 18:53.19 | sjansen | Well, actually, it was pretty common. When people first managed to figure out how to ship bananas from South America to the US without rotting, bananas became a major fad. |
| 18:53.26 | graphyx | ahh.. |
| 18:53.27 | graphyx | right. |
| 18:53.46 | sjansen | And just like they were already used to, Americans started dropping banana peels where ever they pleased. |
| 18:54.34 | sjansen | Until our culture started to change. Today if someone drops something on the street, people give them angry looks, call them names like "litter bug", and if the police see it they get to pay fines. |
| 18:55.01 | sjansen | We managed to teach ourselves basic sanitation. We can teach ourselves etiquette. |
| 18:55.31 | sjansen | All it takes is enough people to tell a lazy slob straight to his face that he's a lazy slob and it's time to change. |
| 18:55.56 | sjansen | (Of course, it'd help a whole lot if we started kicking people for lack of basic netiquette.) |
| 18:56.16 | lars-ut | sjansen: what's the context for you banana peel analogy argument? is this in reference to top posting or tables, os something else? |
| 18:56.25 | sjansen | top posting |
| 18:56.31 | lars-ut | ah. |
| 18:56.33 | sjansen | and not trimming |
| 18:56.53 | lars-ut | I agree with the not trimming, but I've decided that top posting is not worth fighting |
| 18:57.24 | goozbach | poop running down the gutter isn't worth fighting either.. |
| 18:57.42 | lars-ut | I'm not sure either analogy |
| 18:57.46 | lars-ut | holds up. |
| 18:58.18 | lars-ut | Maybe in a geek community it would. |
| 18:58.46 | goozbach | feces!!! |
| 18:58.49 | goozbach | ~fling poo |
| 18:58.51 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at poo |
| 18:59.02 | goozbach | ~fling lars-ut |
| 18:59.04 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at lars-ut |
| 18:59.18 | lars-ut | I'd rather be able to communicate quickly with someone outside my geekiness using top posting than try to force them to bottom post. |
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| 19:02.58 | sjansen | I think the analogy does hold. Today you think that top posting is "that big of a deal". Bad then, they though tossing their garbage in the street wasn't "that big of a deal". |
| 19:03.04 | redbeard1 | well, i'm officially lazy. |
| 19:03.14 | sjansen | Then people started looking at the societal cost and realized things had to change. |
| 19:03.38 | redbeard1 | ~fling sjansen |
| 19:03.39 | ibot | ACTION flings poo at sjansen |
| 19:03.44 | sjansen | As for feces running down the gutter, I don't know if goozbach meant to be right, but he was. |
| 19:03.45 | goozbach | yogurt is tasty |
| 19:03.56 | sjansen | People used to just empty their chamber pots into the street. |
| 19:04.26 | goozbach | however rancid yogurt in the gutter is stinky |
| 19:04.40 | goozbach | wait, WHAT? |
| 19:04.48 | goozbach | I was RIGHT!? |
| 19:04.55 | sjansen | So you could walk down the street dodging both ends of a meal--the left over and the human by-product. |
| 19:05.16 | goozbach | oh yeah I was refering to that fact |
| 19:06.02 | sjansen | That's why a gentleman always walked to the right of a lady. If somebody dumped a chamber pot out a window, he'd get hit instead of her. |
| 19:06.18 | lars-ut | the cost of forcing someone to communicate in a certain way is the equivalent of trying to force a native Utahn to pronounce "escape" correctly. |
| 19:06.38 | goozbach | escape? |
| 19:06.39 | lars-ut | some people care, others woud rather just get their point across. |
| 19:06.41 | redbeard1 | lars-ut: you mean excape? |
| 19:06.46 | lars-ut | yep. |
| 19:06.51 | goozbach | ahh |
| 19:07.05 | redbeard1 | is that like accrosst? |
| 19:07.13 | lars-ut | yes. |
| 19:07.14 | lars-ut | case in point: my porr typing skills |
| 19:07.14 | goozbach | as long as you don't drink malk |
| 19:07.47 | goozbach | or fish in a crick |
| 19:08.07 | redbeard1 | rut beer |
| 19:08.12 | goozbach | people here in FL make fun of how I say antenna |
| 19:08.24 | redbeard1 | goozbach: how do you say it? |
| 19:08.38 | goozbach | "aunt-TANNA" |
| 19:08.52 | goozbach | aparently |
| 19:09.21 | redbeard1 | wait, how do you say aunt, tho? |
| 19:09.23 | lars-ut | When I moved from upstate New York to Washington State in my early teens the accent was quite amusing to some. |
| 19:09.54 | goozbach | but I've never said the phrase: "booooy that food was soo good it'd make your tounge slap yer brains out" |
| 19:10.06 | lars-ut | as an Air Force brat I still adopt accents quickly, including Utahn. |
| 19:10.10 | goozbach | redbeard1: ant |
| 19:10.17 | goozbach | long a |
| 19:10.48 | redbeard1 | i had a really tough time with people in maine. some of them, i couldn't understand a word they said. |
| 19:11.18 | goozbach | there was this guy on the local news a couple days ago... |
| 19:11.55 | goozbach | he was a poor fisherman with not a tooth in his head, and a truck that was more bondo than sheet steel |
| 19:12.18 | goozbach | he said like three sentances, and I didn't understand ONE word |
| 19:12.38 | goozbach | ~resist lars-ut |
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| 19:16.21 | mheath | I think I'm going to reinstall Windows on this laptop. |
| 19:16.40 | mheath | The mouse and wireless drivers are so buggy they make this a pain to use under GNU/Linux still |
| 19:16.55 | Kuyaedz | mheath: still having that touchpad issue eh? |
| 19:17.26 | mheath | And plus, when I leave for boot camp in a few weeks, my dad and sister will probably make frequent use of this laptop in my abscense. I don't want to leave them with something completely new and foreign. |
| 19:18.24 | mheath | Kuyaedz, yep. I guess its the entire input system on this laptop. It happens even when I plug in a USB mouse. |
| 19:18.40 | lars-ut | mheath: go buy a newer laptop from TAMS |
| 19:18.58 | Kuyaedz | mheath: what model? |
| 19:19.00 | mheath | lars-ut, I bought this laptop less than two weeks ago. |
| 19:19.05 | mheath | new, from the store. |
| 19:19.09 | lars-ut | yikes. |
| 19:19.20 | mheath | Kuyaedz, It's a Compaq Presario V5000. |
| 19:19.28 | lars-ut | mheath: I'd take it back. |
| 19:19.59 | lars-ut | mheath: Costco is a good source for laptops |
| 19:20.11 | lars-ut | they give you 6 months to play with it |
| 19:20.32 | mheath | Kuyaedz, the touchpad issues are probably something I could fix if I played with it a bit, but....I'm going to be gone in a matter of weeks, now, though, and I really just want a 100% working computer in the meantime. |
| 19:20.32 | lars-ut | You can return it for cash in hand within that window |
| 19:20.43 | mheath | The wireless drivers...their Alpha, the instability can be expected |
| 19:22.00 | lars-ut | I talked with one of the sales guys at Costco that tols a story of one customer who would use that return policy to "upgrade" his laptop every 5.5 months |
| 19:22.04 | Kuyaedz | mheath: if you have a little time, before you nuke it, it'd be great to get a laptoptest done on that. Hopefully we can get it fixed based from your input |
| 19:22.25 | lars-ut | After the fifth new laptop they annotated his account. |
| 19:24.08 | sjansen | annotated? |
| 19:24.15 | Kuyaedz | mheath: just a quick run-thru.. see the latest post on ubuntu-utah.org for tips if you can. I've done the testing on my notebooks since Hoary & they always get upgraded/fixed. |
| 19:24.59 | lars-ut | sjansen: just made a note for the customer service folks to not allow hime to abuse the return policy for upgrades anymore |
| 19:25.50 | sjansen | I probably would have said flagged, but okay I understand now. |
| 19:26.07 | lars-ut | that's the beauty of different communication styles |
| 19:26.36 | sjansen | top posting isn't a communication style, it's an obfucation style |
| 19:26.50 | sjansen | s/obfucation/obsfucation/ |
| 19:27.23 | lars-ut | potatoe/potato |
| 19:30.02 | lars-ut | Newegg has a Samsung 120GB 2.5" ATA-6 Notebook Hard Drive for $120 today, free shipping |
| 19:30.11 | lars-ut | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822152032 |
| 19:30.46 | Kuyaedz | I need a new notebook drive but don't want to spend that much on an older machine.. |
| 19:30.56 | Kuyaedz | been using it with DSL since the HDD failed |
| 19:31.02 | lars-ut | cool! |
| 19:31.15 | lars-ut | which version? |
| 19:31.34 | Kuyaedz | was 2.3b, recently updated to 2.4 |
| 19:31.39 | Kuyaedz | works great |
| 19:31.45 | lars-ut | fast too |
| 19:31.50 | Kuyaedz | definitely |
| 19:32.36 | lars-ut | folks, any suggestions on an OSS web site gateway for jabber? |
| 19:33.38 | Kuyaedz | I love having a near complete OS from a biz card CD :) |
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| 19:34.19 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: how long have you been doing that? |
| 19:34.23 | Kuyaedz | Anyone know of any good OSS HDD maintenance/recovery options comparable to GRCs SpinRite? |
| 19:34.24 | goozbach | ibot: ok |
| 19:34.28 | ibot | fine |
| 19:34.41 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: spin rite is the best - I had work pay for it |
| 19:34.45 | Kuyaedz | lars-ut: probably 2 months.. its on my 3rd notebook so it isn't a production box, but works great when I need it. |
| 19:34.58 | lars-ut | s/spin rite/SpinRite |
| 19:35.11 | Kuyaedz | I've been using SpinRite on this drive--wearing it out--just wondering |
| 19:35.37 | Kuyaedz | It manages to recover data from the bad sectors but it wont continuously work for more than a day before erroring-out again |
| 19:35.41 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: have you blogged about the 2 months on DSL? I'd like to hear more |
| 19:35.51 | Kuyaedz | Ooh, I haven't but I sure could |
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| 19:36.13 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: you might be able to get a used 2.5" lappy drive from TAMS |
| 19:36.40 | lars-ut | Kuyaedz: TAMS is 226-4460, off ccenter in Orem |
| 19:36.57 | Kuyaedz | lars-ut: I'd be interested in a used drive but with it being my 3rd machine it isn't critical & I wouldn't want to spend much of anything |
| 19:37.09 | lars-ut | k |
| 19:37.35 | Kuyaedz | I've got an eMachines M5312 for my mobile use, HP for my wife + my two desktops.. |
| 19:38.18 | findlay_ | has anyone ever had a computer reboot when they plugged in a USB cable? |
| 19:38.51 | goozbach | sjansen: lars-ut: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200605/levels_of_html_knowledge/ |
| 19:38.55 | goozbach | just hit digg |
| 19:39.57 | Kuyaedz | findlay_: I think I have seen that, yeah. I think that was in my XP days though |
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| 19:40.34 | findlay_ | Kuyaedz: I can take the side pannel off this case and it will reboot |
| 19:40.58 | Kuyaedz | just by removing the panel it reboots? |
| 19:41.16 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to connect from Windows to a Linux Remote Desktop? |
| 19:41.24 | findlay_ | actually it reboots when I put it back on |
| 19:42.05 | Kuyaedz | findlay_: I wonder if there is a short someplace. Or does that case have any intrustion detection that might cause it? |
| 19:42.16 | findlay_ | in the comics the Pheonix was supposed to be a level 10 |
| 19:42.26 | findlay_ | Kuyaedz: no |
| 19:42.51 | findlay_ | although I think it's something like that, but I can't figure out where |
| 19:43.11 | Kuyaedz | I would think a short somewhere.. |
| 19:43.21 | findlay_ | yes |
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| 19:47.44 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to connect from Windows to a Linux via Remote Desktop? |
| 19:47.50 | ^Migs^ | s/to a Linux/to Linux/ |
| 19:48.16 | macnewbold | I know of no rdesktop server daemon for linux |
| 19:48.19 | macnewbold | try VNC |
| 19:48.26 | macnewbold | or going the other direction :) |
| 20:01.28 | ^Migs^ | Linux to Windows? |
| 20:06.13 | Kuyaedz | I use UltraVNC viewer/daemon on windows for in/out remote desktop |
| 20:06.56 | Kuyaedz | I connect to/from my XP/Ubuntu machines using that &/or the built-in vncviewer in Linux |
| 20:08.39 | macnewbold | yeah, you can rdesktop from linux to windows, but not the reverse, AFAIK |
| 20:09.08 | Kuyaedz | I'm doing rdesktop from XP to Linux right now |
| 20:15.39 | tensai | Kuyaedz: you have a linux rdp server or you mean you're using vnc? |
| 20:15.56 | Jayce^ | Kuyaedz, likely the same client, differtent protocol |
| 20:16.02 | mrpull- | rdesktop is a program.... it supports both VNC and RDP |
| 20:16.08 | mrpull- | protocols |
| 20:17.11 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 20:17.48 | mrpull- | plus... what do you need beyond a SSH terminal anyway? ;-) |
| 20:18.43 | Kuyaedz | I'm using VNC between my machines |
| 20:19.08 | ^Migs^ | RDP is Windows? |
| 20:19.09 | mrpull- | Nomachine / FreeNX is also an option |
| 20:19.27 | mrpull- | RDP is another way to describe Terminal Services |
| 20:19.32 | ^Migs^ | ah gotcha |
| 20:20.09 | mrpull- | one other option is to run X11 on your windows box and just export the display for the apps you need |
| 20:22.00 | redbeard1 | mrpull-: you can run X11 on windows? |
| 20:22.23 | Jayce^ | redbeard1, yeah |
| 20:23.08 | mrpull- | redbeard1: Cygwin is one way. |
| 20:23.28 | mrpull- | I've used commercial X packages in the past too |
| 20:23.30 | Jayce^ | or we have exceed licenses at work too.. |
| 20:23.49 | mrpull- | Hummingbird Exceed is what i've used |
| 20:28.15 | harleypig | It's amazing the little glows we get from doing things that were thought impossible. |
| 20:28.29 | harleypig | Especially when someone much smarter than you doesn't think it can be done. :> |
| 20:28.52 | harleypig | It's even better when people go "That *shouldn't* be done!" :] |
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| 20:29.17 | mheath | Hmm, lost my Windows XP OEM CD |
| 20:29.31 | mheath | I have a valid CD key, but this stupid laptop didn't come with recovery CDs |
| 20:29.57 | Kuyaedz | I lost my XP CDs long ago too |
| 20:30.42 | mheath | Well, I have a Home Edition "Upgrade Version" CD-ROM still |
| 20:30.49 | mheath | but it didn't like the CD-Key for that laptop |
| 20:31.04 | Kuyaedz | well if you don't need updates I've got a keygen ;) |
| 20:31.13 | goozbach | like harleypig in a dress? |
| 20:31.20 | goozbach | "shouldn't be done" |
| 20:31.29 | Jayce^ | rofl |
| 20:31.55 | mrpull- | http://www.jcraft.com/weirdx/ |
| 20:32.10 | mrpull- | is a java X implementation too |
| 20:32.24 | mheath | Kuyaedz, no, I have a valid, legal CD Key |
| 20:32.32 | Jayce^ | goozbach, even worse, he wears his kilts "au natural" |
| 20:32.35 | mheath | But that laptop didn't come with restore CDs |
| 20:32.51 | mheath | It had some restore-from-harddisk junk that I removed when I installed Ubuntu |
| 20:33.22 | mheath | I can legally install Windows on here. |
| 20:41.54 | sjansen | findlay: My boss has a laptop (thinkpad) that certain USB devices would reboot. I think a BIOS upgrade fixed it. |
| 20:42.14 | macnewbold | ~lars-ut++ |
| 20:42.55 | bertbob | HA! I currently possess NO copies of Windows, so search to your heart's content, Agent Rasmussen! |
| 20:43.24 | macnewbold | ~karma lars-ut |
| 20:43.24 | ibot | lars-ut has karma of 2 |
| 20:43.34 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Funny you should ask, just today I saw a product that could translate X11 to RDP so that Windows clients could access Linux remotely. |
| 20:43.35 | macnewbold | ~karma ibot |
| 20:43.35 | ibot | ibot has karma of 16 |
| 20:43.38 | macnewbold | ~karma jbot |
| 20:43.39 | ibot | jbot has karma of 8 |
| 20:43.59 | macnewbold | sjansen: serious? free or proprietary/for money? |
| 20:48.59 | sjansen | ^Migs^, macnewbold: http://www.thinstuff.com/products/touch-rdpserver/ <-- Looks like it's proprietary. |
| 20:49.58 | ^Migs^ | cool thanks |
| 20:50.51 | macnewbold | that's pretty cool |
| 20:51.03 | mrpull- | sounds silly to shoehorn X11 into an RDP client |
| 20:51.11 | macnewbold | but what's a windows user going to do on a linux box once they rdesktop to it? ;) |
| 20:51.24 | mrpull- | why not get a client that natively support the default protocol? |
| 20:51.25 | ^Migs^ | uh, work in it? |
| 20:51.36 | mrpull- | or choose a protocol that both support? |
| 20:51.41 | macnewbold | not if they don't have a linux clue... |
| 20:51.50 | ^Migs^ | a linux clue? |
| 20:52.14 | ^Migs^ | oh I see. A jab at how supposedly ignorant Windows users are. |
| 20:52.14 | macnewbold | yeah, most windows users wouldn't know how to use a linux box even if it hit them on the head |
| 20:52.47 | ^Migs^ | and having a linux box hit one on the head would normally help a person? |
| 20:53.08 | graphyx | windows users? yes. |
| 20:53.10 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 20:53.12 | findlay | bertbob: neither have I |
| 20:53.29 | findlay | but I only owned one illegal copy of windows |
| 20:53.34 | findlay | once |
| 20:53.44 | graphyx | if it was illegal does it really count as owning? |
| 20:53.50 | findlay | and then a few weeks later I destroyed it out of disgust |
| 20:54.37 | findlay | graphyx: yes because Microsoft owns the copyright |
| 20:55.21 | graphyx | findlay: ok. |
| 20:55.42 | findlay | actually not, I guess but for a different reason. I owned the disc and even the microscopic bits on the disc but never the copyright |
| 20:56.04 | sjansen | Instead of RDP/VNC, you should check out NoMachine's NX. |
| 20:56.12 | graphyx | ahh.. you owned a cd of the windows XP install. |
| 20:56.16 | graphyx | that I could agree with. |
| 20:56.17 | sjansen | Pretty cool stuff, and parts of it are open source. |
| 20:56.20 | graphyx | An unlicenced copy. |
| 20:56.45 | findlay | graphyx: something like that |
| 21:00.12 | mheath | OK, graduation rules. And I was a moron for ever thinking I shouldn't bother sending out graduation announcements :P |
| 21:00.59 | findlay | mheath: how many did you send? |
| 21:01.11 | mheath | only about 20 |
| 21:01.25 | findlay | I only sent about 5 |
| 21:01.39 | findlay | graduation stuff is so expensive |
| 21:01.46 | mheath | Indeed |
| 21:01.48 | findlay | I think I kept one of them |
| 21:02.03 | mheath | Ours were around $1 per announcement, and thats not counting the envelopes, labels, or stamps |
| 21:02.28 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, Jostens? |
| 21:02.33 | mheath | Yep. |
| 21:02.37 | mheath | I hate Jostens. |
| 21:02.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Good |
| 21:02.51 | findlay | ~lart jostens |
| 21:02.54 | mheath | Another arm of their company handled our yearbook publishing =\ |
| 21:02.55 | ^Migs^ | WTH? "Hello, I cant find anyunistall for daemon or foler to delete. It stops me from installing a newer version. I cant get on ftp mantheron to download it so i can uninstall it. Can someone help please? I tride everyhing on the websight and it didnt work" |
| 21:03.09 | ScytheBlade1 | "But it's tradition!" "But it's RAPING MY WALLET FOR NO REASON!" |
| 21:03.20 | findlay | yup |
| 21:03.24 | mheath | They had some horrible plugin for Adobe Indesgin |
| 21:03.24 | findlay | (: |
| 21:03.46 | mheath | want to insert a picture? Please wait about ~5 minutes while I render a thumbnail of hundreds of megabytes of images |
| 21:04.01 | mheath | Hahaha, you should have followed our recomended policy of only sticking 10 pictures in a folder! |
| 21:04.08 | sjansen | KDE is getting rid of DCOP?! |
| 21:04.18 | findlay | sjansen: why? |
| 21:04.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "What's that? We're paying $18 to rent a piece of fabric, and then another piece of fabric with a piece of cardboard in it?" "Yup, good ol' tradition." |
| 21:06.58 | ScytheBlade1 | sjansen, link? |
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| 21:11.11 | sjansen | ~punch redbeard1 |
| 21:11.13 | ibot | ACTION hits redbeard1 like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist |
| 21:11.17 | sjansen | ~shave redbeard1 |
| 21:11.18 | ibot | ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases redbeard1 until he sees sjansen.... then grabs sjansen & shaves sjansen from head to toe! |
| 21:11.37 | sjansen | Not again! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:11.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 21:11.55 | findlay | ha |
| 21:12.00 | ScytheBlade1 | How about that link to DCOP going away? ;) |
| 21:12.37 | redbeard1 | sjansen: really, i do feel bad for you. it must be hard not running gnome like i do. |
| 21:12.58 | sjansen | redbeard1: Oh, I'm not crazy. I run only Gnome. |
| 21:13.32 | redbeard1 | sjansen: i think i missed something then. sarcasm somewhere? |
| 21:13.33 | sjansen | But DCOP is such an integral part of KDE, it was pretty surprised. In fact, DCOP is one of the few good things about KDE. Much better than Bonobo. |
| 21:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you... have a link to this? :) |
| 21:14.37 | findlay | abebooks r0x0rz |
| 21:14.48 | sjansen | KDE is apparently switching to DBUS. I think that's very positive news. Should make Gnome/KDE integration easier. |
| 21:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 21:15.15 | findlay | that does sound like good news |
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| 21:15.31 | xbmodder | ~spell comprimiseable |
| 21:16.25 | sjansen | ~hate ^Migs^ |
| 21:16.33 | sjansen | ~despise ^Migs^ |
| 21:16.39 | Jayce^ | http://people.redhat.com/dfong/icFedora/060531/fXray1.jpg |
| 21:16.41 | sjansen | ~loathe ^Migs^ |
| 21:16.43 | findlay | ~despite migs |
| 21:16.52 | xbmodder | ~lart ^Migs^ |
| 21:17.14 | maquis | ~shave goozbach |
| 21:17.15 | ibot | ACTION grabs the razor & shaving cream & chases goozbach until he sees maquis.... then grabs maquis & shaves maquis from head to toe! |
| 21:17.15 | sjansen | xbmodder: That wasn't very nice. |
| 21:17.24 | sjansen | ~apologize to ^Migs^ |
| 21:17.25 | ibot | ^Migs^: n=sjansen is sorry for being a brainless terd and begs your forgiveness |
| 21:17.26 | maquis | hey! |
| 21:17.45 | maquis | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:17.48 | sjansen | What? Hey! I do not... I never... I mean, really!!! Sheesh. |
| 21:18.05 | xbmodder | Jayce^: I'd say that person has some problems. |
| 21:18.11 | xbmodder | ;-) |
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| 21:18.43 | sjansen | maquis: You have only yourself to blame. |
| 21:18.46 | xbmodder | flash8? |
| 21:19.45 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 21:19.47 | findlay | it's all your fault that I'm not getting any work done |
| 21:20.11 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 21:20.16 | findlay | ~lart everybody for taking me from most noble and useful work |
| 21:20.27 | sjansen | http://www.djm.co.za/spoon/screenshots.php <-- "Always the latest screenshot" |
| 21:20.47 | findlay | ~define za |
| 21:20.49 | ibot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 21:20.52 | findlay | ~dict za |
| 21:21.13 | xbmodder | ~postal |
| 21:21.15 | ibot | dont forget to order ibot's copy of postal from http://tuxgames.com |
| 21:21.19 | findlay | ah, the seventh partial |
| 21:21.26 | xbmodder | postal is for linux? |
| 21:21.46 | findlay | a good brass player can lip up the 7th partial, but it is always exceedingly flat |
| 21:22.34 | findlay | ~hug the tempered scale |
| 21:22.35 | ibot | ACTION hugs the tempered scale |
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| 21:23.57 | findlay | the seventh partial is so undesirable even for overtones that on the pianoforte the point at which the hammers strike the string is defined as the first node of the seventh partial in order to discourage its sounding |
| 21:24.54 | macnewbold | yeah, that's pretty bad |
| 21:25.16 | findlay | I wonder what it would be like to argue with Pythagoras |
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| 21:26.32 | Jayce^ | findlay, depends on how drunk he was at the time..... |
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| 21:29.41 | xbmodder | bigdog_ut: |
| 21:29.54 | bigdog_ut | whatz up |
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| 21:34.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I just found a fun command.. |
| 21:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | fuser 80/tcp (as root) |
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| 21:37.20 | macnewbold | ~karma bigdog_ut |
| 21:37.20 | ibot | bigdog_ut has karma of 8 |
| 21:38.16 | beandog | ~karma beandog |
| 21:38.16 | ibot | beandog has karma of 1 |
| 21:38.18 | beandog | oh great. |
| 21:38.22 | beandog | now I have another purpose in life. |
| 21:38.25 | beandog | Thanks a lot, macnewbold |
| 21:38.39 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 21:38.49 | macnewbold | ~nickometer beandog |
| 21:38.56 | beandog | :D |
| 21:38.57 | macnewbold | good for you |
| 21:39.03 | beandog | I feel better now |
| 21:39.06 | macnewbold | ~nickometer Jayce^ |
| 21:39.11 | beandog | heh |
| 21:39.25 | macnewbold | ~nickometer TheTiGuR |
| 21:39.43 | macnewbold | ~nickometer nick125 |
| 21:39.48 | macnewbold | ouch |
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| 21:39.55 | macnewbold | ~karma TimRiker |
| 21:39.55 | ibot | timriker has karma of 9 |
| 21:39.59 | findlay | ~nickometer £µ¨¹º«»¼®¾¿ÏßëûØÔŵ¡± |
| 21:40.19 | macnewbold | ~nickometer l33tdud3h4x0r |
| 21:40.36 | macnewbold | ~karma fungus |
| 21:40.36 | ibot | fungus has karma of 4 |
| 21:42.03 | sjansen | harleypig: Yes, many other high-level languages. Lisp can do it. Scheme can do it. Pretty sure Ruby can do it, although I haven't tried. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that Python can do it. |
| 21:42.54 | macnewbold | sjansen: what is that in reference to? |
| 21:43.36 | sjansen | macnewbold: Shaving pink yaks with soup spoons. |
| 21:43.47 | macnewbold | yeah, Python can do that |
| 21:44.01 | sjansen | Well, that and http://blog.harleypig.com/2006/05/nasty-perl-debugger-trick.html |
| 21:44.10 | macnewbold | aha |
| 21:44.42 | Jayce^ | sjansen, oh sure, use his post... |
| 21:45.44 | sjansen | Basically, all that harleypig is showing is that in Perl supports first class functions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-class_function |
| 21:46.20 | sjansen | My PHP-fu has weakened, but IIRC it doesn't. |
| 21:48.42 | sjansen | You know, I really should have found a good churrascaria and eaten there tonight... but I just don't feel like it. |
| 21:48.45 | sjansen | sad |
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| 21:53.41 | harleypig | that question on my blog wasn't a challenge; I was really curious as to what other languages could do that. |
| 21:56.03 | harleypig | ~nickometer harleypig |
| 21:56.10 | harleypig | of course |
| 21:56.22 | xbmodder | how much does a 700MB flash drive cost? |
| 21:56.26 | harleypig | ~karma harleypig |
| 21:56.26 | ibot | harleypig has neutral karma |
| 21:56.42 | harleypig | Hey! I want a *chaotic* neutral karma |
| 21:56.54 | harleypig | ibot, harleypig has a chaotic neutral karma! |
| 21:57.45 | harleypig | I guess it doesn't work that wa. |
| 21:57.53 | harleypig | s/wa./way./ |
| 21:58.02 | beandog | heh |
| 22:02.50 | spr | ~karma spr |
| 22:02.50 | ibot | spr has neutral karma |
| 22:08.51 | emcnabb | ~lart spr |
| 22:19.15 | macnewbold | I know I've tried to figure this out before, but what's a compatible dib? |
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| 22:42.54 | flyboy^ | Device Independent Bitmap |
| 22:43.15 | flyboy^ | I think he is trying to paste a bumper sticker on to spr's head. |
| 22:43.40 | macnewbold | hm, that might make sense |
| 22:46.19 | flyboy^ | Yeah, but I'd love to know what the bumper sticker says. |
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| 22:52.46 | flyboy^ | Isn't there a httpd server that integrates in the kernel some how? |
| 22:53.03 | flyboy^ | Oh, maybe it's just an accelerator - khttpd ? |
| 22:53.22 | nick125 | theres a few that integrate into the kernel.. |
| 22:53.32 | nick125 | talk about throwing security down the drain..heh |
| 22:53.58 | flyboy^ | Yeah, but most of them do not do dymanic stuff - just dump straight static stuff - at least I think. |
| 22:54.10 | spengy | what do you want a kernel httpd for? |
| 22:54.15 | spengy | just out of curiousity |
| 22:54.18 | nick125 | wow..this monitor is soo much clearer then the other one |
| 22:54.26 | flyboy^ | spengy: A very specialized web server. |
| 22:54.49 | spengy | flyboy^: is this an embedded device or something? |
| 22:55.29 | flyboy^ | spengy: No, it's a very specialized application though serving a static element billions of times. |
| 22:55.47 | spengy | flyboy^: fair enough |
| 22:56.02 | xbmodder_lappy | speed |
| 22:56.14 | flyboy^ | very intense speed. |
| 22:56.23 | nick125 | $500 LCD > $300 LCD |
| 22:56.29 | flyboy^ | http://www.fenrus.demon.nl/performance.html |
| 22:57.23 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, your working on soe project that requires a really fast HTTPD? |
| 22:58.05 | nick125 | I just relized how much my firefox theme that I'm using sucks.. |
| 22:58.51 | xbmodder_lappy | what is it? |
| 22:59.52 | nick125 | I need to clean out all the plugins and themes from firefox.. |
| 23:01.21 | flyboy^ | Humm, I am always suspect of marketing hype: http://www.zeus.com/products/zws/capacity/img/sim_conns.gif |
| 23:02.36 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: what is what? |
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| 23:07.06 | findlay | no, what's on second |
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| 23:22.41 | nick125 | http://desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5613250391.html < hah |
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| 23:42.30 | xbmodder_lappy | hi |
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