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00:06.34ScytheBlade1I need a windows server knowledgable IRC channel
00:09.54nick125damn..
00:10.04nick12577 lines just for an about dialog..
00:11.02nick125a little much, eh?
00:11.05nick125(77 lines of code)
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02:05.37Kuyaedzsomeone remind me the syntax for find/replace?  s/find/replace/g ?
02:07.14vontrappin what? vim?
02:07.23Kuyaedzvi
02:07.31vontrapp:s/find/replace/[g]
02:07.44vontrappg if you want multiple occurances per line
02:08.06vontrapp:%s... if you want everything (all lines, too)
02:08.49Kuyaedzbasically looking to replace all instances of archive.ubuntu.com with mirror.xmission.com
02:08.53elg:vontrapp if you want to rule the world
02:09.05elg:%s/archive.ubuntu.com/mirror.xmission.com/g
02:09.16elgassuming no line breaks in the middle of a uri :)
02:09.32Kuyaedzperfect
02:10.30emcnabb~lart elg
02:11.47vontrapp../gc if you want to confirm each replace
02:14.53Kuyaedzcan I use a wildcard?  I notice I've got us.archive.ubuntu.com & security.ubuntu.com. ...or do I just need to just run it twice
02:15.48vontrappjust like a regex, s/(security|us.archive).ubuntu.com/...
02:16.08vontrappyou might have to escape the parens and/or the pipe
02:16.29vontrappe.g. /\(foo\|bar\)/baz/
02:19.47findlayKuyaedz: this was helpful to me when I first learned a few things
02:19.49findlayhttp://www.geocities.com/volontir/
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03:00.53elg-brac
03:00.57elg-brac?
03:01.03elgbrac, what are you?
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03:01.21elgbrac, what are you?
03:01.24bracwho knows?
03:01.26elg-brac?
03:01.26bracyou best check yo'self!
03:01.32elgbrac, version
03:01.33bracI'm a v. 0.9.9 rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert - http://linuxbrit.co.uk/rbot/
03:01.39elgvontrapp: there you go
03:17.02bertbobhttp://www.metoperafamily.org/operanews/news/pressrelease.aspx?id=1189
03:24.42levibertbob: Those darned computers screw everything up.
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03:27.04bracreminder (21:28:03): Be sure to drink your Ovaltine
03:30.39bertbobwell at least it isn't a jet plane or a battleship
03:31.00bertbobthis time
03:59.36ScytheBlade1Anyone know of a good web-based multi-user calendar and address book?
04:04.32findlayhttp://www.google.com/calendar/?
04:16.46ScytheBlade1Heh
04:16.50ScytheBlade1Gotta run on an intranet
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04:30.01ScytheBlade1I doubt our existing solution that has a 20MB database attached
04:30.12ScytheBlade1Would run very well when 10 computers access it at once over a T1 line
04:39.17levi_Only 10?
04:39.24levi_Why wouldn't it run well with 10 users?
04:55.41tensaiwhat's that one that Uncle_Jesse's company is using now?
04:55.58tensaiit's all ajax based. ran horribly slow on my machine.
04:56.00ScytheBlade1Because 20MB over a T1 line
04:56.09ScytheBlade1All at once, during all working hours
04:56.36ScytheBlade1In addition to 15MB .pdfs being transfered every 15 minutes + 5MB .tiffs
04:56.42tensaiif they've got to all download the 20MB file, that's redicilous
04:56.51ScytheBlade1It's a database
04:57.04ScytheBlade1They will randomly seek and read/write pretty often the entire time the app is up
04:57.20ScytheBlade1It's not meant for a low-bandwidth link, and I can't keep two copies on two sites
04:57.22tensaiis this an Access "database"?
04:57.25ScytheBlade1And have them magically sync
04:57.32ScytheBlade1Well, one of them *was*. That's changing.
04:57.40ScytheBlade1The other is a Symantec ACT! 2000 database.
04:57.46ScytheBlade1Which, is the problematic one.
04:58.05tensaisugarcrm is supposed to be really great
04:58.51ScytheBlade1Any free version?
04:59.10nick125sugarcrm is free iirc
04:59.11tensaisugarcrm is Free
04:59.45ScytheBlade1Contact Management?
04:59.50ScytheBlade1And database import?
05:01.45ScytheBlade1Hmm
05:01.51ScytheBlade1This does indeed look like it has possibilities...
05:02.44ScytheBlade1ty for the suggestion, I just may have to poke with this
05:03.37mheathI. HATE. UTAH. DRIVERS.
05:03.39mheathGod.
05:03.50nick125ScytheBlade1: let me know if it works for you, I want to take a look at it too..
05:04.10mheathPlease note: When I am going up a hill in a 25MPH zone and have to pause for a second to downshift, after I've drifted to slightly below the speed limit...
05:04.39mheathThis is NOT an opportune time for you, in your Jeep Cherokee, to accelerate up to 60 MPH and pass me. Especially considering that we're about 20 feet from a light.
05:05.11mheathAlso note: use of your blinkers is appreciated. Especially occasionally, and especially when suddenly cutting infront of me.
05:07.44nick125that's helpful :/
05:13.10ScytheBlade1What was the limit?
05:13.12ScytheBlade1nick125, will do
05:14.14ScytheBlade1OH SCORE
05:14.18nick125I'm looking at the demos, and debating on using it for my company
05:14.29ScytheBlade1SUGAR USES UUIDS, NOT AUTO INCREMENTING NUMBERS
05:14.41nick125oh yay it uses php
05:14.49nick125not some java junk that only works with apache
05:14.55mheathnick125: "my company"? Aren't you a young teenager?
05:15.03mheathYou have an e-lemonade stand? :P
05:15.10nick125LOL
05:15.29nick125that's actually an interesting idea..e-lemonade stand...mmm
05:15.41nick125:P
05:15.51ScytheBlade1UUIDS ARE WINNERS.
05:15.54ScytheBlade1These people know how to code.
05:16.16ScytheBlade1That means I can setup MySQL replication with NO fear of a record having duplication issues
05:17.09nick125sugarCRM looks really neat :p
05:17.25ScytheBlade1It's coded *correctly*
05:17.33ScytheBlade1http://demo.sugarondemand.com/sugarcrm_os/index.php?action=DetailView&module=Contacts&record=85e159ab-662e-550f-e267-442d4c6c2ecb&offset=11&stamp=1148707038089574000
05:17.43ScytheBlade1Notice the "&record=long-freaking-string"?
05:17.52ScytheBlade1PROPER RECORD LABELING. :)
05:18.09nick125no, it says "&record=85e159ab-662e-550f-e267-442d4c6c2ecb"
05:18.14ScytheBlade1Details details
05:19.36nick125mheath: if we make millions off the idea, we'll give you 1% of the profits
05:23.22nick125thats around 10k or so..
05:23.30nick125depending on how much we make
05:25.38scottjso I'm going to type of my mission journal (my hand writing is really poor and since the journal is not just in one big book it makes for inconvenient reading)..should I use word, latex, html?
05:26.08tensaidefinitely word. it's the awesome.
05:26.55ScytheBlade1XML.
05:27.01ScytheBlade1Then apply XSLT stylesheets
05:27.04emcnabblatex
05:27.10tensai~lart xml
05:27.13nick125xslt..mm
05:27.15ScytheBlade1~lart latex
05:27.19ScytheBlade1~praise xml
05:27.20ibotAll hail xml!
05:27.54emcnabbI personally would do it in LaTeX, but whatever floats your boat
05:28.01nick125xml? ain't that like html?
05:28.01scottjwouldn't word's styles give me the formatting options I need in the future? I'm just wondering what I might end up needing to have the inconvenience of writing a ton of tags
05:29.05emcnabbI found a bunch of docs that I wrote in the early '90s a couple of weeks ago. I wasn't able to read many of them. I promised myself I'd never use binary formats again to store something I want long term
05:29.08bertbobLaTeX via LyX
05:29.09ScytheBlade1The problem with word, is format lock-in.
05:29.13tensaiI wrote a book in OpenOffice.org and it worked out sell. OOo styles are leaps and bounds ahead of Word.
05:29.18tensais/sell/well/
05:30.32nick125book?
05:31.06tensaicookbook for the family
05:31.09emcnabb"Larting in a Nutshell", by Tensai
05:31.22mheathw00t, I think I found information on getting my wireless card working with ndiswrapper, at least :)
05:33.09bertbobyeah with OO.o people in Mass could read it forever
05:33.10bertbobLOFL
05:34.24ScytheBlade17.1MB .zip file for sugar open source edition
05:35.51tensaihttp://www.google.com/search?hs=dIW&hl=en&lr=&q=site%3Alinuxjournal.com+%22off+the+wall%22&btnG=Search
05:35.55brac[site:linuxjournal.com "off the wall" - Google Search]
05:36.06tensaiparticularly http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7488
05:37.12tensaionce you drink the kool-aid, you'll cry when you have to use Office. I know I do.
05:37.59emcnabbmust go to bed... very late...
05:38.18ScytheBlade1nick125, I'll be installing sugar for a small law firm (~10 people)
05:39.00tensaiScytheBlade1: I'm very interested in your results
05:39.00ScytheBlade1http://www.sugarcrm.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12225
05:39.09ScytheBlade1Throw that in, and it's nearly perfect
05:39.17ScytheBlade1I say nearly because I have yet to use it in a real enviroment
05:39.38tensaiick, AD. worse. ldap. ever.
05:39.45tensais/worse/worst.
05:40.04ScytheBlade1That's okay
05:40.14tensaiboy, I'm tired. I think I'll follow emcnabb's lead.
05:40.14ScytheBlade1If all I have to do is ~10 lines and it'll auth against AD
05:40.16ScytheBlade1I'm okay with it
05:40.41ScytheBlade1tensai, I'll randomly tell you how it goes ;)
05:40.54ScytheBlade1Yeah, well, I'm generally LDAP stupid, despite my tries
05:41.16tensaitook me a long time to grok it
05:41.37tensaijust glad I don't have to learn x.509
05:41.41ScytheBlade1I don't really have a place to install/use it... so it'll take me longer :)
05:41.48tensaior x.500, rather
05:42.21ScytheBlade1For the moment
05:42.31ScytheBlade1Windows LDAP + NTFS is serving me incredibly well
05:42.35ScytheBlade1It's RRAS, on the other hand
05:42.36ScytheBlade1Is not
05:43.59mheathIT WORKS
05:44.01mheathYAH
05:44.02mheathIT WORKS
05:45.22ScytheBlade1ndiswrapper?
05:47.17mheathYes!
05:47.19mheathWireless!
05:47.19mheathBRB
05:47.40levi_Whew, got my paper in on time.
05:47.46levi_I love electronic submission.
05:47.56emcnabbI THINK HE GOT AOL RUNNING AGAIN
05:48.03emcnabbOH YEAH!
05:48.34mheathping?
05:48.40emcnabbpong?
05:48.51mheathWow, I love networking :)
05:48.56ScytheBlade1Just note
05:49.01mheathI just seamlessly switched over to my wireless connection
05:49.05mheathDidn't even disconnect from IRC :)
05:49.05ScytheBlade1ndiswrapper? It isn't real networking ;)
05:50.17mheathWill ndiswrapper play nice with Gnome Network Manager, though? Thats the question..
05:50.23ScytheBlade1Should
05:50.28ScytheBlade1I mean, it should appear as any other wifi card
05:50.38ScytheBlade1and in theory, function
05:50.53mheathScytheBlade1: no, I think you're thinking of the Network Configuration tool
05:50.56mheathI'm talking about Network Manager
05:51.04ScytheBlade1Which does?
05:51.30ScytheBlade1heh
05:51.34mheathprovides kind of the same functionality as the Windows networking stuff. Autoscans for WAPs, auto connects and switches,
05:51.44ScytheBlade1Chances are slim to none
05:51.47ScytheBlade1Emphasis on none
05:51.53bertboblike most things gnome, whatever it pleases
05:51.58ScytheBlade1Also note, that if you run that, everything else will disconnect as you do it :)
05:52.04ScytheBlade1Assuming that it works
05:52.09ScytheBlade1And doesn't burn horribly, of course
05:52.36mheathI love that Linux will approximate how much battery time (in minutes) i have remaining
05:52.42mheathI could never get Windows to do that
05:52.56ScytheBlade1Hover the mouse over the battery meter in the system tray
05:53.00ScytheBlade1That's where it'll tell you
05:53.11mheathScytheBlade1: in Windows, it would always just give a percentage.
05:53.21ScytheBlade1Hover over battery should give you time too
05:53.28ScytheBlade1And/or double-clicking
05:53.45mheathHeh, the Linux thing takes a bit to 'learn'
05:53.54mheathLaptop battery 6 hours, 13 minutes remaining (98%)
05:53.58mheathI know theres no way it lasts 6 hours
05:54.15mheathbecause it gets down to 78 and says there's 3 hours 40 minutes remaining
05:54.42ScytheBlade1Batteries are funny ;)
05:57.39emcnabbhttp://www.wcpo.com/news/2006/local/05/26/vampire.html
05:57.48brac["Vampire" To Protest White Castle's Garlic Sandwich]
05:59.05maquis-lart emcnabb
05:59.10maquisemcnabb: shouldn't you be asleep by now
05:59.14maquis?
06:01.53emcnabbyeah
06:01.57emcnabbit's 2am for me
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06:28.02mheathAnd no, NetworkManager didn't like ndiswrapper
06:28.14ScytheBlade1haha
06:28.16ScytheBlade1I didn't think so
06:28.29ScytheBlade1monitor mode? Yeah, windows drivers don't... really do that
06:28.44mheathTomorrow, I'm going to see if fwcutter can extract firmware from the exact driver I used to get up and running with ndiswrapper
06:28.51mheathsee if I can get the native drivers working
06:39.11levi_Man, I write so much better than anyone else who posts to this online class forum.  :P
07:09.43levi_Where is everyone?  It's not that late, is it?
07:14.59maquis~eat levi_
07:15.08ibotACTION eats levi_ and falls over dead
07:15.16levi_Hungry?
07:16.22maquismeh
07:17.58levi_Hmm?
07:19.12levi_Not surprising, considering the time.  What's keeping you up?
07:21.43maquisIMing and snacking on wheat thins
07:21.51maquisin other words, nothing important
07:22.12maquisgriping about my bio 100 group which is overly irresponsible
07:27.43findlayman, I want to listen to Tschaikowsky and Sibelius both right now
07:30.06levi_findlay: At the same time?!  That's crazy, man!
07:30.24levi_I wondered how Sibelius was written.  I've only heard the name on the radio.
07:30.27findlaylevi_: Data can do it.  Why can't I?
07:30.40levi_findlay: You're meat, he's metal.
07:30.54levi_maquis: Mmm, wheat thins.
07:31.18findlaySibelius' 4th symohony is decades ahead of it's time
07:31.26levi_I'm reading about domain theory, as an aspect of denotational semantics.
07:31.35levi_findlay: It's math!
07:32.32levi_Domains are often sets, though they may apparently also be things like lattices or topologies, which I have no idea what they are.
07:34.32findlaylevi_: but can you still patent it?
07:35.01levi_findlay: Patent what?
07:35.18findlaytopology?  There's not much to understanding what topology is basically
07:35.23findlaylevi_: math
07:35.41findlaydon't lattices have to do with graph theory?
07:35.48levi_I have no idea.
07:36.00levi_I will find out eventually.
07:36.28levi_Apparently a later chapter will talk about why things other than sets might be used as domains.
07:36.35findlay~praise Euler
07:36.40ibotAll hail Euler!
07:39.23findlaythat is if you accept that inventions are patentable
07:39.25levi_I don't think it is, and it certainly shouldn't be.
07:41.50findlaylevi_: how do you prove that mathematics is exempt?
07:41.56findlayI guess you could just say that "mathematics is exempt"
07:43.36levi_The USPTO has traditionally not considered software to be patentable because by statute patents can only be granted to "processes, machines, articles of manufacture, and compositions of matter". In particular patents cannot be granted to "scientific truths" or "mathematical expressions" of them. This means that most of the fundamental techniques of software engineering have never been patented.
07:43.42levi_--Wikipedia
07:44.04findlayI guess that works
07:44.48levi_Software would have to fall under a process to be patentable, I guess.
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13:22.27mheathbrb, going offline for a couple of minutes.
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14:18.38mheathWireless is working perfectly now :)
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14:18.46mheathoops
14:18.55mheath*With* NetworkManager too, even
14:21.23mheathThe driver is kinda unstable, though
14:27.05mheathNone of the Ubuntu docs for this card really stressed that there is only ONE specific driver that will give you good working firmware for your card
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14:52.33vontrapp-excuse me
14:52.33bracElectrical conduits in machine room are melting.
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14:57.56vontrappbrac: http://www.google.com
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15:12.46ibotok, maquis
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15:32.13elganyone have the audio book version of torvalds' Just For Fun, by any odd chance?
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15:36.10Kuyaedzelg: I don't, but if you find it let me know
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15:48.01Kuyaedzmheath: any more luck with wireless?
15:48.20mheathyeah
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15:48.29mheathIts actually acting up and lagging out this second
15:48.37mheathmaybe thats my router or actual connection though
15:50.25Kuyaedzwhat solution did you end up using? ndiswrapper?
15:50.59mheathI got the native driver working.
15:53.26mheathmy problems right now: the touchpad on this
15:53.43mheathI'll be sitting in firefox, and it will just randomly decide to ignore me clicking on the gnome-panel or anything
15:53.56mheathhighlights parts of the page when I do
15:56.21Kuyaedzmy eMachines has that issue randomly too.. although I haven't seen it recently with fresh Flight 7 install yet
15:59.58KuyaedzI kinda tossed that up to my notebook being old though.  cd/dvd has trouble too but its seen a lot of use
16:02.48vontrappmheath: what kind of wireless card?
16:21.27Kuyaedzhey what was the password generator URL one of ya'll made?
16:21.38mheathvontrapp, It's a broadcom BCM4318
16:22.03mheaththe problem was, none of the documentation really stressed that there is really only ONE specific driver that the proper firmware for YOUR card can be extracted from
16:22.38mheathThe ubuntu docs said, basically, look at this list of drivers and download one. It never said anything about choosing one for your specific card, and the list didn't reference hardware compatabilities.
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16:22.51mheathturns out the one I was using was incompatible
16:23.26mheathSo, I went to grab ndiswrapper. The driver that their wiki recommended for my specific card.....turns out, the BCM fwcutter can extract the firmware from that, too.
16:23.39mheathSo, I tried that with the native driver, and it worked :)
16:23.44mheatha bit unstable, but it works
16:25.27Kuyaedzmheath: I have a decent writeup on using ndiswrapper for specific chipsets if you ever need.
16:25.39KuyaedzI think the bcm43xx firmware will be nice though
16:26.15mheathKuyaedz, no, ndiswrapper was a piece of cake
16:26.20mheathWorked perfectly, right off
16:26.41mheaththere it goes again!
16:26.49mheathIts like the mouse ist stuck on one spot
16:29.20Kuyaedzhttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/34501
16:29.32Kuyaedzthat is my bug report on the similar issue.
16:36.10mheathlagging out again....
16:36.24mheathI don't know, I guess this is my actual net connection
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16:58.35mheathOK, in regards to the touchpad issue....
16:58.39mheathIt will focus on something
16:58.47mheathand won't let me move focus until I right click
17:04.06mheathOff to shower then work
17:15.11scottjanyone researched big external hard drives lately? I remember seeing a post with a really cool ~500gb one a while ago but I can't seem to locate the post (UUG I think)
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17:17.47Kuyaedzhey I need to remove a linux partition w/o harming the others.  What do ya'll suggest?
17:22.15QBFreakexacto knife?
17:26.24KuyaedzI think I need a liveCD that'll write NTFS to resize
17:28.59QBFreaktrying to recall which one I used for that
17:29.10QBFreakit had QTParted on it
17:29.21QBFreakthats about all I remember
17:29.34Kuyaedzdon't know if I've used QTParted.. used GParted.
17:29.42Kuyaedzwas it Knoppix?
17:29.50QBFreakQTParted is parted with a QT front end
17:30.09QBFreakmaybe, but I think it was one that fit on a 3" CD
17:30.19QBFreakiirc Knoppix does have it
17:30.29KuyaedzI've got DSL here but it doesn't want to boot on this machine..
17:32.00QBFreakhttp://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
17:39.57Kuyaedzthat looks promising
17:40.03Kuyaedzcan't believe I don't have a liveCD with me
17:41.13Kuyaedzlooks like DSL includes Parted.  Wonder why it wont boot
17:42.30QBFreaktechnology is finicky :)
17:43.17Kuyaedzfirst machine I've seen that didn't want to boot DSL so far
18:01.09findlayI am technology?
18:03.16Kuyaedzcripes. from what I can tell DSL 2.3 that I have doesn't include parted. 2.4 is out.
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18:12.25maquis~curse bzflag bot
18:12.29ibotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, bzflag bot !
18:12.29*** topic/#utah by lars-ut -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || InterLUG BBQ Sat June 17 http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006
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19:20.04KuyaedzUgh
19:20.29Supaplexhungover already?
19:20.30KuyaedzMy uncle just sent out a mass family email about how wonderful Outlook 2007 was.  I'm tempted to reply-all..
19:21.03Supaplexjoy
19:21.08Kuyaedzmaybe be a little more informative before he converts the whole extended family to using crap
19:22.12KuyaedzAll he talks about is the eye-candy features.  So lame that people are drawn in by the looks vs actual usability, features, security, etc ad naseum.
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19:25.29sjansen~steal elg's mojo
19:25.31ibotACTION grabs elg's mojo and gives it to sjansen
19:25.39elg~mojo sjansen
19:25.45sjansen~make elg use pythong instead of ruby
19:25.46ibotmake: *** No rule to make target `elg use pythong instead of ruby'.  Stop.
19:26.03elgI think that's harleyjpig's language
19:26.13maquis-lart bzflag
19:29.01sjansenUhm... I'm not complaining, but without requesting it I've been upgraded to first class three times now in the last three weeks.
19:30.47Supaplexand you're not complaining because there's no additional charge. right? :)
19:30.54Supaplexthat's pretty messed up odds :P
19:32.55sjansenI'm Silver Medallion w/ Delta, which means I can request free upgrades. But because I'm only Silver, someone else more important almost always gets the upgrade.
19:33.48sjansenThree times now I've got to request the upgrade and discovered they'd already given me an upgrade. Wish I knew what the secret sauce is.
19:35.58sjansens/got/gone
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19:42.42sjansen~carp elg
19:42.49sjansen~tuna
19:42.55sjansen~salmon elg
19:43.04sjansen~fish elg
19:43.05ibotACTION slaps elg around with a large trout
19:43.10sjansen~trout elg
19:43.12ibotACTION slaps elg around a bit with a large trout!
19:43.42Supaplex~trout congress
19:43.44ibotACTION slaps congress around a bit with a large trout!
19:46.25graphyxsjansen: Was the upgrade to coach?
19:46.27graphyxfrom luggage?
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19:56.47ibotACTION stares at emcnabb until emcnabb whimpers and pees all over himself.
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20:38.59Kuyaedz"Well you can continue to use whatever child toys you cling to but in the real adult grown up world of reality Microsoft is the only realist product." - my now-dead-to-me uncle
20:40.04nick125wewt! got sugarcrm working
20:45.19tewkAnyone know of a local utah county electronic parts store besides Radio Shack, for stuff like resistors, capacitors, transistors, diodes, etc?
21:02.19SupaplexCentral Utah Electronics Supply, Provo (last I was there, 2+y ago)
21:10.43findlayif you're in Salt Lake, go to Standard Electric Supply on 33 south and 3rd west
21:24.16Supaplexratshack, we sell phones and other utter usless crap.  where we just look dumb when you ask questions.
21:28.20nick125lol
21:28.31nick125so true
21:29.05nick125From: added by portage for lighttpd <lighttpd@spitfire>
21:29.08nick125I need to fix that..
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21:33.02vontrappmheath: have you found any decent automation tools for wireless connection?
21:33.12Kuyaedzsuggestions for securely wiping a drive?
21:33.40Kuyaedzvontrapp: tried network-manager? http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
21:34.46vontrappKuyaedz: hammer + microwave + sandblasting + flamethrower
21:35.02nick125thermite
21:35.17nick125=)
21:35.52vontrappKuyaedz: then make a really cool clock out of it and sell it as art for the cost of a new drive
21:36.41Kuyaedzgreat idea
21:38.04findlayKuyaedz: `find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0ri shred -fuxz {}`
21:38.36findlayif you're really paranoid
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21:45.51vontrappnetwork-manager killed my connection
21:46.24Kuyaedzkilled it for good or just until you re-specify the network to use?
21:47.48KuyaedzI wish xmission had an ubuntu torrent tracker.  Sure would save on my bandwidth.
21:55.35findlayI wish xmission was my ISP
21:56.06Kuyaedzapparently I've used 212GB in the last four weeks.  Most of which is due to my torrents
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22:28.49vontrappping
22:28.59beandogpong
22:29.18vontrappyay
22:29.31beandogwhat a way to spend the weekend ... fixing my completely foobed mythbox
22:29.32vontrappnetwork manager seems to do a good job of confusing my wireless card
22:29.45vontrappbeandog: mine is foobed, too
22:29.55beandogoh yah?  I bet my problems are more interesting.
22:29.56vontrappexcept i'm not spending the weekend fixing it
22:29.57beandog;)
22:30.04beandogwhatd you do to yours
22:30.17vontrappsomething about upgrading the box
22:30.24vontrappthe sound stopped working like it was supposed to
22:30.38vontrappi couldn't mute the line in and record it at the same time anymore
22:30.38beandogreally?
22:30.44beandogThats the last problem Im having too.
22:30.46beandogmy sounds not working.
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22:31.02beandogexcept mine its just audio out.
22:31.28vontrappi can have sound record and have the "live" sound patch through, for a nice echo-effect watching live tv, or something completely wrong watching recordings, or i can have no sound
22:32.00beandoghmm
22:32.01beandogthat sucks.
22:32.31vontrappi plopped in a second sound card to attempt to fix it that way, but haven't since gotten around to anything more, it just sits there broken
22:32.39vontrappprobably recording lots o programs with no sound
22:33.33vontrapp-lart network-manager
22:33.57vontrappfirst of all, they name the daemon NetworkManager and the config dir /etc/NetworkManager
22:34.26vontrappthrew me for a loop trying to figure out what to kill when my connection kept dying and where to configure anything, or even a man page to read
22:34.39vontrappthen i read the man page, and it's really lame and practically useless
22:34.47vontrapprefers to some nm-applet which i can't find
22:35.08beandoghmm I just think I figured out my sound problem.
22:35.20vontrapp~mute beandog
22:35.25ibotACTION bungs up beandog's vocal chords with cotton wool.
22:35.29beandog:)
22:36.09vontrappmy roommate's vcr and tv have only mono sound input
22:36.12vontrappbugs the heck out of me
22:36.37vontrappmy tv has non-existant sound input
22:36.43vontrappor input of any kind, really
22:36.46vontrappexcept cable
22:37.15nick125anyone here for some bzflag?
22:38.24vontrapp-tell kuyeads network manager is falling on it's face
22:38.24braccan do!
22:38.47vontrapp-tell elg brac tells me he can tell people things
22:39.19vontrapp-tell nick125 to keep his flags to himself
22:39.33vontrappnick125: maybe if my vid card was configured
22:39.47vontrappor maybe this will give me an excuse to configure it
22:39.59vontrapp-lart brac
22:42.36nick125vontrapp: good idea
22:43.39beandogvontrapp: what version are you running
22:44.25vontrappnone installed atm
22:44.30vontrappoh, of myth?
22:44.33beandogyah
22:45.02nick125I wish I could get my tv tuner working :(
22:45.07vontrapp0.19 looks like
22:45.08beandogwhat tuner?
22:45.19nick125pvr150
22:45.21beandogvontrapp: oh.
22:45.34beandogI was hoping you were running dev.
22:46.43vontrappsomething like "-tell who [scope] message" where scope would be global, channel, or private
22:47.22vontrappscope defaults to private if originated through pm or channel if originated on channel
22:48.26vontrappglobal means tell who anywhere he is seen
22:49.04vontrappbrac will then tell the specified who next time he is 'seen' <- meaning they say something or join
22:49.04bracokay
22:49.13vontrappbrac: shutup
22:50.06vontrappnick125: pvr150 is supposed to be easy i thought
22:50.25beandogyah, that one should be easy.
22:50.33nick125vontrapp: here, I'll show you the error..
22:50.41beandogwell, depending on the distro I guess.
22:51.01nick125it worked before..
22:51.19nick125let me recompile ivtv for the new kernel version I installed a week or so ago
22:53.29nick125err
22:53.34nick125cat != mplayer
22:53.46nick125cat /dev/v4l/video0 does evil things to your terminal too..
22:53.56beandogheh
22:53.58nick125wow
22:54.00nick125it works now
22:54.00nick125wtf
22:54.32nick125it kept giving me firmware corrupt errors before
22:54.57beandoggreat, my LVM just froze on remounting... thats inspiring.
22:55.13nick125aah, I love it when LVM screws up
22:55.48nick1252006-05-27 16:55:21.968 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo
22:55.49beandogmove, little progress bar, move!
22:55.52nick125mmm
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22:56.54nick125go go go!!
22:57.20vontrappwhile we're talking about myth, my recordings come out pretty washed up
22:57.36nick125maybe bad codec settings?
22:57.42vontrappespecially fox cartoons, can't even make out the lines dividing head from mouth sometimes
22:58.33vontrappthen again, i do have my recording quality set real low
22:58.42vontrapppoor aragorn just can't cut it
22:58.56beandogman, one of these drives is bad, Im sure of it.
23:02.11beandogits moved 2.2% in the last 10 minutes... thats good.
23:03.02nick125grr
23:03.02nick1252006-05-27 17:02:36.016 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
23:03.03nick1252006-05-27 17:02:36.017 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 17:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo
23:03.06nick1252006-05-27 17:02:36.017 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
23:03.14nick125o.0
23:03.51nick125okay, what the..
23:04.06nick125any ideas?
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23:14.46vontrapprbot
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23:14.52vontrappbrac!
23:14.53brachey vontrapp :)
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23:15.47vontrappbrac!
23:15.47bracvontrapp: 'sup?
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23:19.25beandognow running e2fsck is making the whole thing *whine*
23:19.37beandogThis is geting better all the time. :)
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23:21.08vontrappbrac?
23:21.17elg-lart vontrapp
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23:36.23vontrappbrac: restart
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23:37.36vontrapp~onjoin -brac
23:37.36ibotok, vontrapp
23:38.56vontrapptell elg to give me ice cream
23:39.44elgdid you mean -
23:39.49vontrappdoh
23:39.53vontrapp-tell elg to give me ice cream
23:41.17vontrapp-restart
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23:41.49vontrapp-tell elg he's a moose
23:45.16elgbrac: exit
23:45.23elg-quit
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23:46.13emcnabbdang, it didn't work
23:47.38elg~lart emcnabb
23:48.01elgi love gingersnaps
23:49.18beandogwouldnt double of free be free?
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23:50.26emcnabb-quit brac
23:50.27bracinsufficient "quit" auth (have 10, need 90)
23:51.04vontrapp-tell emcnabb nice try
23:51.04brachuh?
23:51.23emcnabb-lart vontrapp
23:51.50brac~lart emcnabb
23:52.07vontrapp-quit
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23:52.38hans_-quit brac
23:52.39bracinsufficient "quit" auth (have 10, need 90)
23:52.51vontrapp-tell hans_ nice try again
23:52.51brachuh?
23:52.54vontrappdang
23:53.06findlay-say duh
23:53.48vontrapp-restart
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23:54.10emcnabb-restart
23:54.10bracinsufficient "quit" auth (have 10, need 90)
23:54.14vontrapp-tell me if you work
23:54.15bracokay
23:54.36vontrappwhich reminds me, i need to add the 'me' special case
23:54.50vontrapp-tell hans something
23:54.50braclemme take care of that for you
23:54.58vontrapp-tell elg something too
23:54.59bracaight
23:55.02emcnabbbrac sucks... go ibot!
23:55.04vontrapp...
23:56.00vontrapp-tell ibot "your larts are lame"
23:56.00bracdone
23:56.04vontrapp~lart emcnabb
23:56.04bracvontrapp says: larts are lame"
23:56.13vontrapphmm, that's closer
23:56.23findlay~lart lame
23:58.09vontrapp-restart
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23:58.27vontrapp-tell ibot your larts are lamest
23:58.29braccan do!
23:58.57vontrapp-tell elg do we need persistence of tells?
23:58.58bracdone
23:59.15vontrappelg?
23:59.21vontrapp~lart elg
23:59.22bracvontrapp says: larts are lamest
23:59.35vontrappdang, i keep forgetting to copy the file
23:59.43elgso why not symlink?
23:59.43bracvontrapp says: we need persistence of tells?
23:59.48vontrapp-restart
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