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| 04:28.52 | maquis | gah |
| 04:28.57 | maquis | i suck at dance |
| 04:29.13 | nick125 | wee..this is gonna be *FUN*!! |
| 04:29.50 | nick125 | iSCSI is gonna be interesting.. |
| 04:30.38 | xbmodder_lappy | dance? |
| 04:30.39 | mrpull- | nick125: why use iSCSI if AoE is an option? |
| 04:30.43 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, you can't suck at dance, you just move |
| 04:30.54 | mrpull- | do you need routing? |
| 04:31.02 | nick125 | mrpull-: testing out both solutions to see which performs more reliabily |
| 04:31.08 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i wish... unfortunately, my world dance teacher disagrees |
| 04:31.08 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 04:31.16 | mrpull- | otherwise iSCSI seems like it has a lot more overhead |
| 04:31.20 | nick125 | according to xbmodder_lappy, AoE is unreliable and crashes at high speeds |
| 04:31.24 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 04:31.33 | nick125 | I think he said around.. |
| 04:31.45 | nick125 | 11649398639 Yottabyte/sec |
| 04:31.47 | nick125 | or so.. |
| 04:31.47 | xbmodder_lappy | but it can go pretty fast |
| 04:32.30 | nick125 | I wonder..how did you even get a switch fast enough to handle yottabyte? |
| 04:32.33 | mrpull- | what is the capacity of the storage you are testing? how many spindles? |
| 04:33.26 | nick125 | just one disk |
| 04:33.48 | nick125 | yay for portage having iSCSI stuff in it!! |
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| 04:34.51 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-x, virtual disk in RAM |
| 04:34.58 | xbmodder_lappy | 400 megabytes |
| 04:35.14 | xbmodder_lappy | and when I did it over loopback it crashed while writing |
| 04:39.48 | Supaplex | well don't do that. ;) |
| 04:44.01 | xbmodder_lappy | ... |
| 04:44.09 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:44.10 | xbmodder_lappy | thats the sorta hits this thing will get |
| 04:46.14 | mrpull- | oh. i'm going to go out on a limb and say that is a poor representation of real life. |
| 04:46.33 | nick125 | yeah... |
| 04:46.52 | nick125 | the max data transfer from these boxes would be 1Gbps |
| 04:49.14 | nick125 | this is gonna be interesting.. |
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| 05:54.26 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, two... |
| 05:54.35 | nick125 | why two? |
| 05:54.57 | xbmodder_lappy | because one for each host.. |
| 05:55.32 | nick125 | remember, its not exactly going to work like that |
| 05:55.39 | xbmodder_lappy | one+one=oneone |
| 05:56.01 | nick125 | but, its not going to work like that..lol |
| 05:56.10 | xbmodder_lappy | what program did you use to make that layout? |
| 05:56.24 | nick125 | what layout? the network one? |
| 05:56.29 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 05:56.30 | nick125 | networking.png? |
| 05:56.32 | nick125 | inkscape |
| 05:56.35 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 05:56.36 | xbmodder_lappy | dang |
| 05:57.24 | nick125 | we need to decide on iSCSI or AoE by monday or so |
| 05:57.30 | xbmodder_lappy | why? |
| 05:57.53 | nick125 | so we know what direction we're heading |
| 05:57.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 06:00.23 | Supaplex | weekend's half over :`( |
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| 07:02.12 | findlay | plain old raid/nfs is the way to go |
| 07:03.18 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart findlay |
| 07:03.30 | xbmodder_lappy | I even get the crappy larts. |
| 07:03.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart findlay |
| 07:03.45 | findlay | heh, AoE |
| 07:03.50 | findlay | whatever |
| 07:04.26 | findlay | AFS |
| 07:05.14 | xbmodder_lappy | umm |
| 07:05.25 | xbmodder_lappy | iSCSI |
| 07:05.27 | mrpull- | nick125: are you going to buy a big hunk of storage? |
| 07:05.27 | findlay | humm |
| 07:06.30 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, no, |
| 07:06.52 | findlay | ~convert 1024 Yottabytes to yoctobytes |
| 07:06.58 | xbmodder_lappy | each NAS box is going to be 1100 dollars with 3x250 gig drives in a RAID5 under LVM2 |
| 07:07.00 | mrpull- | so you want to use remote storage protocols on local storage? |
| 07:07.15 | findlay | ~convert 1024 yottabytes to yoctobytes |
| 07:07.48 | xbmodder_lappy | ~convert 1 byte to yottabytes |
| 07:08.01 | xbmodder_lappy | ~convert 1 byte to yoctobytes |
| 07:08.08 | QBFreak | I just spent 10+ minutes translating the morse code in today |
| 07:08.12 | QBFreak | 's foxtrot |
| 07:08.17 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 07:08.22 | xbmodder_lappy | what is it? |
| 07:08.24 | findlay | anything good? |
| 07:08.40 | findlay | a cookie recipie? |
| 07:08.43 | QBFreak | SOME DAY I WILL RULE YOU ALL |
| 07:08.54 | QBFreak | encoded in a tap dance |
| 07:09.23 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 07:09.42 | xbmodder_lappy | i wonder if that would sound good |
| 07:09.46 | findlay | ~convert 1024 yottaparsecs to yoctoangstroms |
| 07:10.09 | QBFreak | ibot: ignore findlay |
| 07:10.26 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, findlay!" |
| 07:10.37 | findlay | ibot needs a little fine tuning in his measurements |
| 07:11.12 | QBFreak | ~convert findlay to somethinguseful |
| 07:11.33 | QBFreak | aww, ibot doesn't know how to measure a findlay, that takes all the fun out of it |
| 07:12.53 | xbmodder_lappy | if anyone needs a security network (freenode got hacked) feel free to hang on xbmodder.us channel #atarack |
| 07:13.11 | findlay | ~convert 4 gauss to tesla |
| 07:13.53 | findlay | ibot: why is the earth's magnetic flux density at the surface approximately 0.0004 tesla? |
| 07:13.56 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, findlay |
| 07:14.28 | findlay | ~electric flux density |
| 07:14.37 | findlay | fine |
| 07:15.54 | QBFreak | findlay: you know we love you |
| 07:16.44 | findlay | ibot: where is the second foundation? |
| 07:16.47 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:17.14 | findlay | ibot: the Second Foundation is at Trantor |
| 07:17.16 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 07:19.55 | xbmodder_lappy | donde esta foundation dos |
| 07:20.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, donde esta foundation dos |
| 07:20.20 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, where is the second foundation |
| 07:20.27 | ibot | xbmodder_lappy: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:20.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, where is the second foundation? |
| 07:20.30 | ibot | xbmodder_lappy: what are you talking about? |
| 07:20.31 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, donde esta foundation dos? |
| 07:20.50 | mrpull- | xbmodder_lappy / nick125: what kinda nas's are you getting? rolling your own? |
| 07:21.02 | nick125_lappy | mrpull-: probably rolling our own |
| 07:21.43 | xbmodder_lappy | jah |
| 07:21.51 | mrpull- | are you guys hosting in california? |
| 07:21.57 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 07:22.21 | mrpull- | are you guys SB1386 compliant? |
| 07:22.52 | xbmodder_lappy | gunna have to get back to you on that one |
| 07:23.35 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 07:23.39 | xbmodder_lappy | we are iirc |
| 07:24.07 | xbmodder_lappy | we don't store these: |
| 07:24.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ___ Person Name (First Name or First Initial, Last Name) |
| 07:24.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ___ Social Security Number |
| 07:24.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ___ California Identification or Driver's License Number |
| 07:24.24 | xbmodder_lappy | This is protected by BofA___ Financial Account Number, Debit, or Credit Card Number in combination with access code or password that would permit access to account |
| 07:24.57 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: I was talking in #init, and, most of the people there disagree with your gig eth / switch == packet loss |
| 07:25.31 | xbmodder_lappy | 1% packets dropped when a switch is maxed out |
| 07:25.38 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, why are you asking? |
| 07:25.46 | mrpull- | just curious |
| 07:25.47 | xbmodder_lappy | we don't have the forms filled out |
| 07:25.56 | xbmodder_lappy | but yeah we follow the guidelines |
| 07:26.05 | xbmodder_lappy | they are alot like PCI security standards |
| 07:26.07 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: well, when *anything* is maxed out, it will have to either drop or queue packets |
| 07:26.41 | nick125_lappy | PCI security standards -_- |
| 07:26.41 | mrpull- | when a switch is saturated, it will drop frames... otherwise it isn't saturated |
| 07:27.19 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_lappy, wht? |
| 07:27.19 | xbmodder_lappy | what |
| 07:27.41 | nick125_lappy | they are a pain |
| 07:28.16 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, do you think its a good idea to put a freaking switch between the server and client of low latency/high throughput storage? |
| 07:28.46 | mrpull- | yes. if you ever plan to scale it to multiple clients. |
| 07:28.46 | nick125_lappy | by using a switch, it would simplify moving data between servers |
| 07:28.53 | mrpull- | otherwise, just use DAS |
| 07:29.40 | nick125_lappy | with xbmodder_lappy's plan, there would be two servers directly connected to a single NAS box |
| 07:29.58 | mrpull- | and when you need a third server? |
| 07:30.04 | nick125_lappy | we would add a new NAS box |
| 07:30.52 | nick125_lappy | plus, lets say we have to pull one box down to do maintance, there would be downtime, which is against the entire point of live migrating VPSes |
| 07:30.53 | xbmodder_lappy | http://xbmodder.us/atarack/netwrking.pdf < my setup |
| 07:30.56 | mrpull- | wouldn't it be cheaper to just slap disks in the servers themselves? |
| 07:31.06 | nick125_lappy | mrpull-: live migration would be one issue |
| 07:31.17 | nick125_lappy | since, we would have to move data, then move VPSes |
| 07:31.17 | xbmodder_lappy | reliablity |
| 07:31.29 | xbmodder_lappy | we can't do RAID in the server |
| 07:31.35 | xbmodder_lappy | easily |
| 07:31.57 | nick125_lappy | we can only fit 2 disk in a server |
| 07:32.09 | nick125_lappy | to do RAID-5 like xb wants to (IIRC), we need 3 disks |
| 07:33.37 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 07:33.39 | xbmodder_lappy | +raptors! |
| 07:33.56 | xbmodder_lappy | remember each of these servers fit 15 VPSes |
| 07:34.12 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: that's managed only, remember.. |
| 07:34.13 | xbmodder_lappy | and at 100 bucks a month these people expect the best |
| 07:34.23 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_lappy, this is for the managed network |
| 07:34.40 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: we have to still tend to our main business, unmanaged VPSes |
| 07:34.42 | mrpull- | why would anyone spend 100/month on a VPS? |
| 07:34.52 | nick125_lappy | mrpull-: they are fully managed |
| 07:35.08 | mrpull- | most vps's are |
| 07:35.13 | xbmodder_lappy | they are? |
| 07:35.13 | nick125_lappy | no.. |
| 07:35.19 | xbmodder_lappy | who does managed VPSes? |
| 07:35.25 | nick125_lappy | few places do managed |
| 07:35.51 | xbmodder_lappy | ... |
| 07:36.06 | nick125_lappy | not to our level though |
| 07:36.36 | nick125_lappy | most will manage cPanel and thats it |
| 07:37.35 | mrpull- | i had a VPS with verio 3-4 years ago that cost ~20/month |
| 07:37.38 | mrpull- | it was fully managed |
| 07:37.58 | xbmodder_lappy | dang |
| 07:39.00 | xbmodder_lappy | maybe because they are 600 bucks a month... |
| 07:39.14 | nick125_lappy | these also have 256MB ram, 20GB disk, 1GB swap, and 150GB of b/w (this is only a preliminary) |
| 07:40.16 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 07:40.18 | nick125_lappy | http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/12/27/web-2 |
| 07:40.28 | xbmodder_lappy | *1000GB |
| 07:40.30 | xbmodder_lappy | B/W |
| 07:40.34 | xbmodder_lappy | 1 gig swap |
| 07:40.42 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_lappy, isn't it 10gig disk? |
| 07:41.04 | nick125_lappy | we still have to figure that out.. |
| 07:41.26 | mrpull- | westhost.com offers all of that in a VPS for ~25/month |
| 07:41.41 | xbmodder_lappy | 13 gigs |
| 07:41.48 | nick125_lappy | westhost isn't real VPS |
| 07:42.08 | nick125_lappy | me and the people in #wht have already concluded that |
| 07:42.15 | mrpull- | nick125_lappy: how so? and why does it matter to joe sixpack? |
| 07:42.44 | nick125_lappy | first, look, do they say how much RAM each VPS has? |
| 07:43.13 | nick125_lappy | second, if it was a VPS, how could they limit how many domains and email accounts you hostee |
| 07:43.17 | nick125_lappy | *hosted |
| 07:43.30 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull, I don't see that |
| 07:43.33 | nick125_lappy | and the features on the VPS, such as fastcgi, etc |
| 07:44.06 | xbmodder_lappy | and SATA |
| 07:44.34 | nick125_lappy | also, last time I checked, you had to give each VPS a IP |
| 07:45.03 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.09 | xbmodder_lappy | 160 a month |
| 07:45.13 | xbmodder_lappy | +50 setup |
| 07:45.22 | mrpull- | i give you those points (though i'm not totally convinced), but again -- why does it matter to joe sixpack? |
| 07:45.48 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, we are aiming at medium-end business customers |
| 07:46.17 | mrpull- | i get a kick out of what you guys are doing. i want it to succeed. |
| 07:46.37 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks |
| 07:47.04 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, our unmanaged are alot cheaper |
| 07:47.13 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, do you have a VPS? |
| 07:47.59 | mrpull- | nope. not these days. I don't have a need at this time. |
| 07:48.37 | xbmodder_lappy | for 200 gigs of bandwidth they charge 480 dollars.. |
| 07:49.34 | xbmodder_lappy | mrpull-, colo? |
| 07:51.50 | mrpull- | xbmodder_lappy: i don't have any personal servers |
| 07:52.21 | mrpull- | i don't have a need or desire at this time |
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| 18:39.20 | nick125 | anyone here want to play some bzflag? |
| 18:39.30 | nick125 | noc.atarack.com:5154 |
| 18:44.32 | QBFreak | and my insanity meter pegs again |
| 18:44.55 | QBFreak | webserver and wiki on the Apple //c! |
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| 18:51.38 | maquis | QBFreak: why'd your insanity meter peg again? |
| 18:52.16 | QBFreak | cause I'm crazy enough to consider written a webserver in AppleSoft BASIC on the Apple //c |
| 18:52.29 | maquis | erm... |
| 18:52.30 | QBFreak | that runs over a serial port... |
| 18:52.37 | QBFreak | see, insane! |
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| 19:13.43 | maquis | so, this recipe i'm looking at calls for 1 stick oleo. i'm guessing that's some butter substitute... |
| 19:13.58 | maquis | but when i google for it, i'm coming up with results for GNU Oleo |
| 19:14.34 | QBFreak | http://www.oleofats.com/ |
| 19:14.37 | brac | [Oleofats Inc.] |
| 19:14.57 | maquis | yeah... that was about half-way down the list... |
| 19:15.22 | maquis | i just find it kinda weird that i'm discovering a new OSS app while cooking |
| 19:15.31 | QBFreak | heh |
| 19:17.42 | QBFreak | "Recipes sometimes refer to margarine as oleo (see below) or as shortening." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margarine |
| 19:18.23 | maquis | QBFreak: is that farther down the google results? or am i just missing it? |
| 19:18.39 | QBFreak | http://www.google.com/search?q=oleo%20stick%20substitute |
| 19:18.40 | brac | [oleo stick substitute - Google Search] |
| 19:19.03 | maquis | QBFreak: ah... thanks... should've tried that search... |
| 19:19.25 | QBFreak | I was hoping to find a cooking site that way, but then I saw wikipedia at the top :) |
| 19:19.30 | maquis | ah |
| 19:19.40 | maquis | a9 sticks wikipedia at the bottom on that search... :) |
| 19:20.16 | QBFreak | second hit has a glossary: Oleo: A term for margarine often found in older cookbooks. A stick of oleo is a stick of margarine. |
| 19:21.00 | maquis | cool |
| 19:21.03 | maquis | thanks for the help with that :) |
| 19:21.08 | QBFreak | np |
| 19:21.20 | QBFreak | procrastination at your service |
| 19:21.54 | maquis | QBFreak: what are you procrastinating? |
| 19:21.57 | QBFreak | mine usually suck |
| 19:22.08 | QBFreak | working on twikibot |
| 19:22.26 | QBFreak | going to try and integrate a blootbot with a twiki site |
| 19:22.37 | maquis | interesting... |
| 19:22.40 | maquis | what would it do? |
| 19:22.43 | QBFreak | it doesn't tab complete my thoughts either |
| 19:22.57 | maquis | i don't see that larting would be quite as useful on a wiki |
| 19:22.59 | QBFreak | make the #twiki channel more useful to twiki.org |
| 19:23.11 | QBFreak | at the moment the main thing is logging |
| 19:23.28 | QBFreak | the ability to log a portion of a conversation to a twiki topic |
| 19:26.35 | maquis | ooh... that's interesting |
| 19:28.21 | QBFreak | because you have liquid and dry cups iirc |
| 19:28.34 | QBFreak | of course I suppose the same is true with ounces |
| 19:28.55 | QBFreak | my mom does her cooking by weight when she can |
| 19:31.27 | maquis | hmm |
| 19:31.29 | maquis | interesting |
| 19:31.36 | maquis | i don't really have a way to measure ounces without converting |
| 19:32.42 | QBFreak | my mom uses a digital scale designed for cooking |
| 19:41.10 | maquis | @#$%! what'd i do wrong??? |
| 19:41.49 | maquis | [amon-re erins] ls /usr/local/bin | grep neelix 127 |
| 19:41.49 | maquis | neelix |
| 19:41.49 | maquis | [amon-re erins] /usr/local/bin/neelix |
| 19:41.49 | maquis | zsh: no such file or directory: /usr/local/bin/neelix |
| 19:41.56 | maquis | so, is it there or not? |
| 19:57.39 | maquis | nm |
| 19:57.42 | maquis | found the problem |
| 19:59.07 | QBFreak | cooking with Neelix? :) |
| 19:59.13 | maquis | trying |
| 19:59.15 | QBFreak | I seem to recall he had a show named that |
| 19:59.24 | QBFreak | on Voyager |
| 19:59.33 | maquis | yes... it lasted about 1 week :) |
| 19:59.36 | QBFreak | heh |
| 19:59.57 | maquis | now that i've figured out how to get it to not throw a zsh error, i just need to figure out how to get it to start |
| 20:00.05 | maquis | [amon-re erins] neelix |
| 20:00.05 | maquis | usage: neelix [<database>] |
| 20:00.23 | maquis | some sort of documentation would be nice |
| 20:01.50 | QBFreak | heh |
| 20:02.44 | maquis | hmmm... |
| 20:03.01 | maquis | foccaccia or dinner roles... or... something else... |
| 20:03.53 | maquis | hmmm... i've got milk in the fridge, so i'll save the foccaccia for another week |
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| 21:56.50 | maquis | -lart TimRiker |
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| 22:07.32 | nick125 | work!! |
| 22:08.16 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 22:08.49 | nick125 | hmm |
| 22:08.58 | nick125 | I need a box I can use as an initiator..mm |
| 22:09.38 | xbmodder_lappy | how much does it take to run a commercial during prime time on CNN, discovery channel, and TLC? |
| 22:10.01 | nick125 | alot |
| 22:10.17 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:10.32 | xbmodder_lappy | but how much |
| 22:10.36 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath[laptop], hey |
| 22:10.43 | nick125 | we wouldn't tell you because we dont want you gettnig any ideas.. |
| 22:15.35 | nick125 | blah.. |
| 22:15.41 | nick125 | okay..hmm |
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| 22:23.20 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: what kind of socket does iscsi use? |
| 22:24.44 | nick125 | never mind |
| 22:25.24 | mheath[laptop] | Does anyone know what the wireless networking support on the Ubuntu LiveCD is? |
| 22:42.15 | xbmodder_lappy | tcp |
| 22:49.37 | xbmodder_lappy | http://xbmodder.us/openSIMS_0.9-LiveCD_final_candidate1.iso.torrent < good liveCD for security testing |
| 22:49.52 | xbmodder_lappy | (gentoo-based) |
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| 22:51.55 | maquis | http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=12271320 |
| 22:51.57 | brac | [Oddly Enough News Article | Reuters.com] |
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| 23:31.35 | maquis | doh! |
| 23:31.35 | maquis | i missed him |
| 23:31.36 | maquis | ~onjoin elg ping maquis |
| 23:31.37 | ibot | maquis: ok |
| 23:31.37 | nick125 | mm |
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