| 00:11.45 | scottj | woohoo! macbook shipped today! |
| 00:11.56 | scottj | now I'm wishing I'd paid extra for faster shipping though. |
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| 00:29.38 | levi | scottj: Congrats. :) |
| 00:30.51 | scottj | levi, you're the lisp guy right? |
| 00:32.11 | levi | Yup. |
| 00:33.15 | scottj | have you read anything about distributed object systems? I haven't, but I've always wondered if there's a way to have a peer 2 peer environment with objects that can accept messages and do things no matter which computer they're running on |
| 00:33.55 | levi | I don't know about distributed /objects/ specifically, but I know of several systems set up for distributed programming. |
| 00:34.21 | scottj | I don't really know anything about memory management and all that technical stuff, but I guess the memory of the different systems would kind of all be shared |
| 00:34.34 | scottj | like erlang right? |
| 00:34.41 | scottj | I don't think they really do it |
| 00:34.50 | levi | Actually, sharing memory is not the best way to do it. |
| 00:35.02 | levi | Most distributed systems use message passing. |
| 00:35.07 | levi | Erlang is one of them, yes. |
| 00:35.10 | levi | Oz is another. |
| 00:35.38 | levi | Then there are several Erlang-alikes built on other systems, like Termite is built upon Gambit Scheme. |
| 00:35.54 | levi | And there's erlisp and cl-muproc on Common Lisp. |
| 00:36.19 | levi | There's also the E language, which has a lot of interesting ideas in it. |
| 00:36.30 | levi | I guess it's probably more object-oriented than the others. |
| 00:36.52 | scottj | I've tried to get through the E walnut document but it really is a big nut |
| 00:38.03 | levi | Linda with its idea of tuple spaces is another interesting distributed computing model. |
| 00:38.46 | levi | But I would say that if you're thinking about objects that can be anywhere somewhat transparently, Erlang and Oz are the places to look. |
| 00:40.18 | levi | Oz is an interesting language, in that it supports LOTS of programming paradigms. |
| 00:40.33 | levi | Including logic and constraint programming. |
| 00:41.03 | levi | And Erlang is interesting in that it's been used in commercially successful and highly reliable products. |
| 00:41.46 | levi | So it's definitely a proven technology. And it's even got a toe-hold in the popular open source community with the ejabberd server. |
| 00:43.20 | levi | Erlang also has a cool distributed database system called, IIRC, Mnesia. |
| 00:46.06 | levi | elg wrote a review for some system that actually does do distributed shared memory, but I think that's an awful idea, and I don't remember the name of it anyway. |
| 00:47.13 | levi | Now I feel like I'm talking to myself again. :) |
| 00:47.39 | scottj | I'm reading, and looking at termite |
| 01:02.17 | scottj | I completely missed until now the news that SkypeOut is free till the end of the year |
| 01:03.13 | scottj | glad I canceled my cell phone plan (I couldn't get Opera Mini to work with t-mo and the phone didn't work with iSync |
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| 01:04.10 | findlay | but is *anything* written in Oz (Mozart)? |
| 01:04.21 | findlay | besides homework assignments? |
| 01:04.24 | findlay | (: |
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| 01:36.51 | maquis | -lart pmcnabb |
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| 01:37.01 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
| 01:38.30 | pmcnabb | ~lart maquis |
| 01:39.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, some idiot gets to die |
| 01:40.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Running gnutella on a work T1 line |
| 01:40.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, some idiot is going to die |
| 01:40.16 | nick125 | lol |
| 01:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | No wonder my ping times SUCK ALL |
| 01:40.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It's because the line is saturated |
| 01:40.51 | maquis | ~dog pmcnabb |
| 01:40.52 | ibot | ACTION stares at pmcnabb until pmcnabb whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 01:41.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoo, I can SSH into the other remote box |
| 01:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And use the latency-free point to point T1 line to port scan that subnet |
| 01:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Win |
| 01:41.29 | nick125 | forkbomb it!! |
| 01:41.34 | nick125 | lol |
| 01:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Forkbomb what? |
| 01:42.17 | xbmodder_lappy | kill the gnutella box |
| 01:42.19 | nick125 | the box thats using gnutella |
| 01:42.25 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a windows box |
| 01:42.28 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: where have you been |
| 01:42.31 | nick125 | ScytheBlade1: aww |
| 01:42.31 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, here |
| 01:42.40 | ScytheBlade1 | They're all windows boxes, less my routers |
| 01:42.41 | xbmodder_lappy | didn't you notice I joined the channel a while ago |
| 01:42.53 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: and why didnt you come say hi to me |
| 01:43.21 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: http://continental.nick125.com/misc/ACP/image-test.html < aint it spiffy |
| 01:43.22 | brac | [ACP Image Testing] |
| 01:43.37 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, make a webpage that says "THIS IS THE RIAA, WE HAVE COME TO CAPTURE YOU" and make iptables send him to that page |
| 01:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | The office is closed now |
| 01:43.48 | nick125 | hahahah |
| 01:43.54 | nick125 | ScytheBlade1: do it in the morning when he gets back |
| 01:43.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone left it running |
| 01:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got school, so I'll one-up that |
| 01:44.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll just tell the boss ;) |
| 01:44.36 | nick125 | you know that MPAA shutdown notice? modify that for the RIAA |
| 01:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm |
| 01:45.05 | nick125 | I would love to see their reaction to it.. |
| 01:45.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Love for the nmap option -oX scan.xml |
| 01:45.17 | nick125 | do it tonight, so, in the morning, when he gets there, it will be ready for him :) |
| 01:45.20 | nick125 | or use cron job |
| 01:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm still hunting down the box in question |
| 01:45.31 | xbmodder_lappy | iptraf |
| 01:45.33 | xbmodder_lappy | or ntop |
| 01:45.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm using iptraf |
| 01:46.05 | nick125 | or tcpdump specified to the gnutella port |
| 01:46.19 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: do you like the little progress bars? |
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| 01:46.58 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: that page, for the images, uses less then 1kb of b/w last time I checked |
| 01:47.10 | nick125 | 250bytes per image |
| 01:50.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 10.0.0.250 |
| 01:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Those pricks |
| 01:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | We rent part of the T1 line to the neighbors |
| 01:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Guess who 10.0.0.250 is? |
| 01:51.48 | nick125 | the neighbors? |
| 01:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | You are a winner |
| 01:52.00 | nick125 | yay |
| 01:52.02 | nick125 | what did I win? |
| 01:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Two points |
| 01:52.12 | nick125 | wewt |
| 01:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Who here knows how to work the innards of linux networking really, really well? |
| 01:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to rate-limit an IP |
| 01:53.52 | amcnabb | That's on my list of things to look at. :) |
| 01:54.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I knew how once upon a time |
| 01:54.21 | nick125 | just drop all gnutella packets |
| 01:54.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I pulled it off once |
| 01:54.31 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, give me a good way to do it, and I will |
| 01:54.51 | nick125 | iptables? |
| 01:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Uhhh |
| 01:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It's using a *lot* of ports |
| 01:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I can't just do --drop-gnutella |
| 01:56.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.qdisc.html |
| 01:56.35 | findlay | those file sharing apps are tricky |
| 01:56.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to do a bit of reading |
| 02:02.35 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: ping |
| 02:02.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I really should just rate-limit their upstream to 1kB/sec or so |
| 02:02.53 | ScytheBlade1 | All they *ever* do is browse and check webmail |
| 02:03.16 | nick125 | lol |
| 02:03.19 | nick125 | that would fix the problem |
| 02:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That and every problem they'd ever have |
| 02:05.07 | ScytheBlade1 | What's a good program to render postscript? |
| 02:05.41 | xbmodder_lappy | if snort can detect it then ta-da: http://hogwash.sourceforge.net |
| 02:05.43 | brac | [Help wanted, sort of] |
| 02:05.44 | xbmodder_lappy | pong |
| 02:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ <title> of that link |
| 02:09.04 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, btw: rate-limiting an IP is suicididal |
| 02:09.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Humor me |
| 02:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Why? |
| 02:09.12 | xbmodder_lappy | try: cbqinit or htbinit |
| 02:09.15 | xbmodder_lappy | i tried it. |
| 02:09.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not easy, if that's what you mean |
| 02:09.53 | xbmodder_lappy | it breaks things sometimes |
| 02:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Like? |
| 02:10.15 | xbmodder_lappy | like if someone is doing alotta transfer, we get droppage of packets |
| 02:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | well duh |
| 02:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not broken if that's how it's supposed to work |
| 02:11.21 | xbmodder_lappy | for example: |
| 02:11.29 | xbmodder_lappy | person A) downloading the kernel |
| 02:11.40 | xbmodder_lappy | person B) cannot even SSH into their box |
| 02:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Then quite honestly |
| 02:11.51 | ScytheBlade1 | You fail at setting up rate limiting |
| 02:14.41 | xbmodder_lappy | I was using basic speed limiting |
| 02:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Out of curiosity |
| 02:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you think rate limiting works if an IP sends 2x more than their max? |
| 02:15.35 | xbmodder_lappy | it drops whatever is more than their max usually |
| 02:15.40 | xbmodder_lappy | what method are you using |
| 02:15.49 | xbmodder_lappy | there are two configurations |
| 02:15.54 | xbmodder_lappy | drop or queue |
| 02:16.24 | ScytheBlade1 | So, then how is that broken when that's doing what it should be? |
| 02:17.42 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: why aren't you in #atarack ? |
| 02:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Whoa |
| 02:17.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I just printed off a section of the LARTC on a new printer |
| 02:18.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I go to pick it up off the printer, and I see a paper come up |
| 02:18.11 | elg | can anyone tell me how to get a float:right to be opaque? that is, I don't want to see through it |
| 02:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Then get sucked right back in, then spat out again |
| 02:18.14 | elg | cSS |
| 02:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a laser printer that can do double-sided printing 0_o |
| 02:18.35 | xbmodder_lappy | its supposed to give higher priority to person 2 |
| 02:18.43 | xbmodder_lappy | s/2/B/ |
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| 02:29.51 | levi | findlay: Does it matter if anything is written in it? |
| 02:46.00 | findlay | levi: does it not? |
| 02:47.05 | levi | findlay: Considering the question that was initially asked, no, I don't think it matters. |
| 02:52.04 | levi | elg: Did you figure your css out? |
| 02:52.29 | elg | yeah. |
| 02:52.35 | elg | z-index: 2; |
| 02:52.41 | elg | background: white; |
| 02:53.10 | levi | Cool. |
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| 03:40.19 | elg | et voila, my blog gets its old theme back |
| 03:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know how I can delete all tc classes/qdiscs? |
| 03:48.20 | elg | nope. my wondershaper script just runs the rules in reverse |
| 03:49.52 | QBFreak | so you actually want an off-log !logtime every half hour? |
| 03:50.02 | QBFreak | mischan! |
| 03:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I think I just about have this... |
| 03:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | SSH is guaranteed 5kB/sec, burstable up to the full line |
| 03:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | The neighbors get 10kB/sec, burstable up to 20kB/sec |
| 03:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything else gets everything else |
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| 03:56.03 | levi | elg: Your blog looks so much less web 2.0 now. ;P |
| 03:56.16 | levi | You've downgraded! |
| 04:01.07 | nick125 | ScytheBlade1: thats mean :P |
| 04:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | nick125, why? |
| 04:01.21 | nick125 | only 20kB/sec |
| 04:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | They use the internet to |
| 04:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | -check their webmail |
| 04:01.41 | ScytheBlade1 | </list> |
| 04:01.45 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:01.55 | nick125 | obviously not |
| 04:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, they're not supposed to use gnutella, especially over a work T1 line that they don't really even own |
| 04:02.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Likewise, I no longer care :) |
| 04:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | They're lagging my SSH :) |
| 04:03.17 | nick125 | give them 5.5kB/s and see if they notice |
| 04:03.23 | nick125 | (thats dialup speeds almost) |
| 04:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | They still get minimal latency, that's the dial-up killer |
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| 04:03.54 | nick125 | yeah |
| 04:03.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And, all HTTP traffic hits squid |
| 04:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Only traffic from them *truly* going outbound is limited |
| 04:04.21 | nick125 | give them 4kB/sec |
| 04:04.27 | nick125 | thats half the speed of dialup |
| 04:04.28 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Half? |
| 04:04.39 | nick125 | almost |
| 04:04.50 | nick125 | 53/8 = 6kB/sec |
| 04:04.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I *never* got more than 4kB/sec on my dialup... |
| 04:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Never.... |
| 04:05.52 | nick125 | well, supposely, its supposed to be 6kB/sec |
| 04:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=56+kilobits+in+kilobytes |
| 04:06.00 | ScytheBlade1 | 7 |
| 04:06.01 | brac | [56 kilobits in kilobytes - Google Search] |
| 04:06.35 | nick125 | it's limited to 53 kilobits in the US due to FCC regulations |
| 04:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | So 6.6 then |
| 04:07.27 | nick125 | no, 6.625 |
| 04:07.28 | nick125 | :) |
| 04:07.42 | nick125 | (I forgot that python doesn't give floats by default) |
| 04:08.12 | elg | levi: yes, I know :) |
| 04:08.15 | findlay | python should give a man floats when he asks for some |
| 04:08.31 | elg | it's probably officially more ugly now, but it's also more me |
| 04:08.33 | findlay | elg: URL? |
| 04:08.38 | elg | hans.fugal.net/blog |
| 04:08.40 | nick125 | yeah, you just append .0 to the end of each number |
| 04:08.51 | findlay | what about just . ? |
| 04:09.00 | elg | I'm not happy about all the blues and reds. that's different from before. I'm sure I'll be tweaking over time |
| 04:09.34 | elg | if you doubt the web 2.0-ness, type in the live search box |
| 04:10.22 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:10.22 | nick125 | nice |
| 04:10.30 | findlay | elg: it's so ... bland. I like it! (: |
| 04:10.44 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:10.55 | elg | it's simple and elegant. bland is english food |
| 04:11.19 | elg | look at that, Qt4 is done compiling |
| 04:11.52 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:12.31 | nick125 | how logn have you been compiling it for> |
| 04:12.48 | elg | oh, since 4 or 5 or so |
| 04:12.53 | elg | or maybe earlier |
| 04:12.56 | findlay | yesterday? |
| 04:12.59 | elg | and I don't know exactly when it finished |
| 04:13.04 | findlay | or last week? |
| 04:13.09 | nick125 | elg: what distro? |
| 04:13.14 | elg | osx |
| 04:13.36 | findlay | does osx come with gcc? |
| 04:13.50 | elg | yup |
| 04:13.51 | nick125 | apple sucks |
| 04:14.01 | elg | so do you |
| 04:14.06 | nick125 | they made darwin for x86 closed source |
| 04:14.47 | elg | was it legal? |
| 04:15.03 | nick125 | probably not |
| 04:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh... why wouldn't it be? |
| 04:15.19 | elg | (hint: yes) point your finger at the darwin people for the license they picked |
| 04:15.50 | nick125 | I think apple is going to lose a ton of support by this |
| 04:16.24 | elg | did they gain a ton of support because they used open source darwin? |
| 04:16.34 | elg | or was it more like a quarter ton? |
| 04:17.12 | findlay | darwin's just evil. First they invented evolving species, and now thy won't release witchcraft code |
| 04:17.53 | findlay | s// / |
| 04:18.40 | elg | fact is nobody (in the relative sense of the word) uses darwin on apple machiens outside of osx. people dual boot linux, and that's sure to be the case on x86 if it isn't already |
| 04:19.32 | elg | so they might be shooting themselves in the foot to the extent that hardcore hackers won't be hacking on darwin for them, but it's like shooting yourself in the foot with a toothpick |
| 04:19.54 | nick125 | first, people are going to be hating apple for close sourcing it |
| 04:19.54 | nick125 | second, people are not going to contribute to it |
| 04:19.55 | nick125 | third, my DSL line just went down |
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| 04:22.16 | elg | some people will hate them, I'm sure. but apple's big market isn't the oss crusaders, it's the artists, grandpas, and academics. we geeks are a growing share but still a minority |
| 04:22.27 | elg | off to bed. |
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| 04:26.27 | mheath[laptop] | agh. Apparently my laptop was set to autosuspend, even on AC power |
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| 04:29.27 | findlay | ~share minority |
| 04:29.34 | findlay | ~autosuspend mheath[laptop] |
| 04:34.25 | mheath[laptop] | ~lart findlay |
| 04:43.08 | levi | nick125: You obviously don't understand Apple or Darwin or anything other than the headline you saw. |
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| 05:04.08 | findlay | levi: I do. I understand everything. |
| 05:04.12 | findlay | Perfectly. |
| 05:05.05 | findlay | nevermind |
| 05:05.12 | findlay | I'm too tired |
| 05:09.03 | nick125_ | okay... |
| 05:09.32 | nick125_ | I hate covad.. |
| 05:11.39 | nick125_ | covad won't even touch my line, so, they can't of course, fix it |
| 05:12.10 | levi | Aha! It is not my fault that my accelerometer program is not working! |
| 05:12.17 | QBFreak | levi: yay |
| 05:12.18 | QBFreak | I think |
| 05:12.25 | nick125_ | what is the problem then? |
| 05:13.15 | levi | I don't know, but I wrote a little program to integrate the data dumped by the software that ships with the accelerometer and ADC board, and I got the same kind of graphs. |
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| 05:36.06 | levi | Whoa, I got plug list email. |
| 05:38.02 | xbmodder_lappy | xgl |
| 05:38.24 | maquis | levi: yeah... me too... |
| 05:38.35 | maquis | looks like everything came back up after being down for a while |
| 05:42.19 | levi | I'm really peeved about this accelerometer. |
| 05:49.39 | levi | I think I'm going to take the accelerometer into work tomorrow and use our fancy scopes to check out the voltages it's giving out. |
| 05:50.54 | QBFreak | oo levi is a professional gadget person |
| 05:51.27 | QBFreak | I'll be sure to send you any projects that fail for analysis :) |
| 05:51.58 | levi | I've never actually used the scopes before. |
| 05:52.08 | levi | I just know they're super expensive. |
| 05:52.28 | levi | They're suitable for debugging high-speed signal lines. |
| 05:52.53 | levi | But it would be fun to learn how to use them. |
| 05:57.57 | xbmodder_lappy | whats the sample-rate on them? |
| 06:00.14 | levi | You probably ought to be able to track down the power supply and see what the output voltages are. |
| 06:01.13 | QBFreak | yeah, thats the plan |
| 06:01.25 | levi | That, or find someone with a scope. :) |
| 06:01.33 | QBFreak | I got distracted by online projects |
| 06:01.46 | QBFreak | and I'm waiting on a part before I go pester my friend to help me assemble the interface |
| 06:02.19 | QBFreak | though I should finish the case first, I'm 99% sure the original power supply should fit |
| 06:02.20 | levi | On the bright side of this accelerometer fiasco, I got to write my first scsh program. |
| 06:02.34 | QBFreak | ~scsh |
| 06:02.48 | levi | The accelerometer and ADC board come with some software that does a data dump. |
| 06:03.05 | levi | I used a scsh script to read in the values and integrate them to find velocity and position values. |
| 06:03.07 | QBFreak | scheme shell? |
| 06:03.20 | QBFreak | awesome |
| 06:06.36 | QBFreak | arr blootbot doesn't like my version of mysql |
| 06:06.57 | levi | scsh is the power and elegance of scheme that's been twisted to work seamlessly with unix. :) |
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| 06:07.45 | levi | It has an awk macro. :) |
| 06:13.28 | levi | scsh's awk macro is the coolest thing ever. |
| 06:24.05 | findlay | can you really trust a language called scheme? |
| 06:25.21 | findlay | if you ever want to know how make works, then read through the linux make system |
| 06:27.15 | findlay | ~make linux |
| 06:27.16 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `linux'. Stop. |
| 06:28.15 | QBFreak | if the stereo PC wasn't enough to convince you all I'm crazy, now I'm trying to interface an IRC bot to TWiki |
| 06:28.50 | xbmodder_lappy | i like the stereo project better |
| 06:29.30 | QBFreak | I had a poor little hacked together IRC bot that did next to nothing, and they keep asking for more features on #twiki |
| 06:29.38 | findlay | stereo project bots with tikiwiki and xbmodder_lappy |
| 06:29.55 | QBFreak | it has been decided to use a real IRC bot :) |
| 06:40.31 | findlay | ibot's not very introspective in that regard (: |
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| 06:52.44 | Supaplex | !man blootbot |
| 06:52.47 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:54.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ~man blootbot |
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| 14:25.52 | Kuyaedz | can anyone help brush me up on sed usage for a min? |
| 14:26.17 | Kuyaedz | trying to strip IPs from a .log |
| 14:36.37 | elg | what do you need/ |
| 14:37.25 | Kuyaedz | can't remember the sed syntax to pull just the IP from my mail.log |
| 14:38.32 | tensai | well, lookie that. it's a plug list. |
| 14:38.35 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 14:40.45 | elg | i didn't touch it |
| 14:40.54 | elg | blame/credit jayce |
| 14:42.12 | Jayce^ | nothing here |
| 14:44.06 | goozbach | Kuyaedz: http://search.cpan.org/~mcantoni/Net-IP-Extract-0.01/lib/Net/IP/Extract.pm |
| 14:44.19 | goozbach | why reinvent the wheel |
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| 15:04.57 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:10.13 | redbeard1 | ~lart sjansen |
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| 15:27.02 | levi | Morning, #utahns |
| 15:28.32 | scottj | anyone familiar with reverse proxy or whatever it's called that is commonly used for redirecting? We had www.byu.edu/gradstudies redirected to snowbird.byu.edu, and now the images on our server don't show up, but when you go to snowbird.byu.edu and www.byu.edu/gradstudies/ the images show up fine. Sound familiar to anyone? |
| 15:31.29 | levi | I've used it before. |
| 15:34.52 | levi | I have an <IfModule mod_proxy.c> section with ProxyRequests Off, ProxyPass <localrelativeurl> <remotefqdn>, and ProxyPassReverse <localrelativeurl> <remotefqdn> |
| 15:36.23 | sjansen | Oh the joys of trailing slashes and Apache. |
| 15:36.27 | scottj | is that on the server doing the redirects or receiving the redirects? |
| 15:37.01 | levi | Doing the redirects |
| 15:37.03 | scottj | sjansen: I'm clueless, do you know what the trailing / is doing? |
| 15:39.03 | scottj | is there an easy way to just forward anyone who types it in without the / to the one with the /? |
| 15:39.11 | sjansen | The problem you're having is that Apache should be redirecting www.byu.edu/gradstudies to www.byu.edu/gradstudies/. Because it isn't, and you're using relative paths to your images, the client is looking for the images in the wrong directory. |
| 15:40.34 | sjansen | Many people would now whip out mod_rewrite, but I think a superior solution is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect |
| 15:41.40 | sjansen | If you had checked your logs, you would have noticed 404 errors every time someone went to the wrong URL. Always check your logs. |
| 15:42.33 | sjansen | BTW, be sure to make the a 301 (permanent) redirect. |
| 15:43.31 | sjansen | Oh, and you'll probably want to use RedirectMatch unless you enjoy infinite loops. |
| 15:44.11 | scottj | that's what's weird, I actually did look in error_log and it didn't have anything about it |
| 15:46.47 | sjansen | It'd be in the error logs of www.byu.edu, not the other server. |
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| 15:48.35 | levi | I kinda regret not learning more about VMS back in my BYU days, when I was a unix bigot. |
| 15:49.51 | redbeard1 | http://gwigle.varten.net/ |
| 15:49.53 | brac | [The Gwigle Game] |
| 15:50.20 | redbeard1 | i can't make it past 1.9 |
| 15:50.49 | Jayce^ | aren't you supposed to be testing code? |
| 15:50.56 | Jayce^ | oh wait, it's mine, so it all works :) |
| 15:51.18 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:51.21 | redbeard1 | Jayce^: feh. i bet you couldn't even make it past 1.8 |
| 15:56.06 | sjansen | ~break Jayce^ and his code |
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| 16:07.57 | xbmodder_ppc | hey |
| 16:13.16 | levi | Hah, an Ogden resident made BoingBoing today. |
| 16:13.45 | levi | Those crazy Ogdenites. |
| 16:13.50 | xbmodder_ppc | whatd s/he do? |
| 16:14.50 | xbmodder_ppc | /action goes on boing boing via slow evdo |
| 16:14.53 | xbmodder_ppc | wtf |
| 16:15.41 | tensai | note to self: in SQL, COUNT() != SUM() |
| 16:15.55 | Jayce^ | no.... no it doesn't |
| 16:16.23 | xbmodder_ppc | ~seen jsmith |
| 16:16.29 | ibot | jsmith is currently on #asterisk-doc (1h 5m 9s) #utah (1h 5m 9s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 51m 12s, last said: 'blitzrage: Cool!'. |
| 16:20.50 | levi | my amaroK is fond of BT lately. |
| 16:20.51 | xbmodder_ppc | who broke irc |
| 16:21.05 | levi | Who broke xbmodder? |
| 16:25.11 | xbmodder_ppc | i have no idea |
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| 16:57.17 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
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| 17:29.32 | sjansen | ~drive maquis crazy |
| 17:29.34 | ibot | ACTION jumps behind the wheel of a specially designed limo & chauffeurs maquis crazy anywhere he/she needs to go, while maquis crazy sits in the back playing bzflag |
| 17:33.27 | mheath | Can anyone confirm that the I-15 exit to the Bangerter Highway is 293? |
| 17:33.56 | mheath | I know that down here closer to ogden, they shifted the exit numbers a few years ago, meaning that google maps data here is off. No idea if it effected that far south, but I thought I'd check |
| 17:43.41 | findlay | ibot has this fixation with bzflag |
| 17:43.58 | ^Migs^ | is that because of the changes to the 31st St. exit? |
| 17:44.08 | ^Migs^ | it looks to me like they're making just one exit rather than two |
| 17:45.47 | findlay | haha |
| 17:46.01 | QBFreak | mheath: most likely the exit numbers now match the mile markers |
| 17:46.43 | QBFreak | aaiiee I just want to print to a network printer *STAB* |
| 17:49.00 | redbeard1 | QBFreak: i thought the exit numbers matched the mile markers before and now they don't... |
| 17:49.26 | QBFreak | no idea, I'm not from the area :) |
| 17:49.53 | QBFreak | in my limited travels most of the renumbering I've seen was to change the numbers to mile markers |
| 17:49.58 | sjansen | If we're talking Utah county, there are stretches were the mile markers currently do not match the exits. |
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| 17:50.07 | macnewbold | they generally match the mile markers, that's how they number exits |
| 17:50.32 | macnewbold | but they recently (within the last year or two) renumbered a bunch of them, becaues they realized they measured wrong many years ago |
| 17:51.20 | macnewbold | mheath: I can't confirm the number, but the exit says "Bangerter Hwy" on it |
| 17:54.33 | harleypig | QBFreak: QB for quickbasic? |
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| 18:17.10 | QBFreak | harleypig: back in the day, yeah :) |
| 18:26.30 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/9229472/detail.html |
| 18:26.32 | brac | [TheWBALChannel.com - News - Couple Arrested For Asking For Directions] |
| 18:26.57 | maquis | sjansen: why you tryin' to drive me crazy? |
| 18:27.22 | sjansen | *shrug* |
| 18:28.21 | QBFreak | ^Migs^: wonderful |
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| 18:29.12 | ^Migs^ | the headline is misleading. They weren't arrested for asking directions. |
| 18:29.45 | macnewbold | they ran a stop sign, got a ticket, and then the officer refused to give them directions to the freeway |
| 18:29.54 | QBFreak | not quite, but nearly |
| 18:29.55 | macnewbold | they pulled over |
| 18:30.05 | macnewbold | and got arrested for trespassing |
| 18:30.07 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 18:30.09 | ^Migs^ | not "nearly" |
| 18:30.10 | macnewbold | on what I'm not too sure |
| 18:30.11 | QBFreak | what I don't get is the trespassing charge |
| 18:30.20 | ^Migs^ | they weren't arrested for asking for directions in any way, shape, or form |
| 18:30.34 | QBFreak | "... http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/9229472/detail.html..." |
| 18:30.37 | QBFreak | GAH |
| 18:30.39 | QBFreak | wrong clipboard |
| 18:30.46 | QBFreak | "...arrested them for trespassing on a public street..." |
| 18:30.56 | thayne | Jayce^ - hey! |
| 18:31.03 | macnewbold | how can you trespass on a public street? isn't that the definition of public? |
| 18:31.08 | QBFreak | thats my confusion |
| 18:31.28 | QBFreak | I understand that they weren't arrested for asking for directions, but while asking, I just don't get the actual charge |
| 18:34.29 | sjansen | ~greet thayne |
| 18:34.31 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on thayne |
| 18:34.40 | nick125 | anyone here want to play some bzflag?. |
| 18:35.24 | thayne | Mmmm, outmeal! |
| 18:36.01 | thayne | Hey, sjansen |
| 18:36.44 | sjansen | thayne: Haven't seen you in... years. |
| 18:37.03 | thayne | Help me, I'm lost! |
| 18:37.27 | thayne | Yeah, I've come out of hiding - at least temporarily |
| 18:38.14 | sjansen | Okay, the first thing we need to figure out is where you're at right now. Look out a window. What do you see? |
| 18:38.40 | thayne | Clouds, mountains and rooftops. |
| 18:38.55 | macnewbold | okay, so you might be in utah |
| 18:38.59 | findlay | which window? windows98? |
| 18:39.18 | thayne | That's where I last left myself, Utah |
| 18:40.04 | thayne | 9th floor, Jordan Jrmmons and it's gently raining (spring shower) |
| 18:40.27 | thayne | s/Jrmmons/Commons/ |
| 18:40.29 | QBFreak | the biggest thing to remember when on the 9th floor is not to jump |
| 18:41.08 | thayne | I stay away from the windows - the urge is nearly uncontrollable |
| 18:42.16 | sjansen | Perhaps that is a manifestation of a latent need to switch jobs. Guru Labs is hiring. (United Online, also, but then you'd have to work with Jayce^.) |
| 18:42.23 | QBFreak | anybody familiar with blootbot? |
| 18:42.36 | sjansen | QBFreak: Isn't ibot a blootbot? |
| 18:42.40 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 18:42.41 | thayne | Sounds rough - working with Jayce. |
| 18:42.44 | tensai | QBFreak: somewhat. timriker obviously is. |
| 18:42.49 | sjansen | tensai has hacked on ibot some |
| 18:42.49 | QBFreak | yeah, but he's not here :) |
| 18:43.13 | thayne | Seems like I worked for United Online in one of my past lives. I'm not sure they'd want me back ;^) |
| 18:43.20 | QBFreak | not sure what I need to do to encrypt a password for blootbot.users |
| 18:43.22 | tensai | oh, that timriker isn't here. I see. nm |
| 18:43.49 | QBFreak | just use mkpasswd and stick that in there? |
| 18:44.02 | thayne | timriker? Wow - been a while since I spoke with him. Is he down in Texas still doing the TI thing? |
| 18:44.09 | tensai | nope, in utah now |
| 18:44.21 | thayne | Everything old is new again. |
| 18:44.27 | tensai | moved here ~6 months ago IIRC |
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| 18:45.50 | sjansen | Works for the Church now. |
| 18:46.23 | thayne | Wow - wonder if he's working with Jim Clawson? |
| 18:46.34 | findlay | the real question now is where the Ring is |
| 18:47.26 | thayne | . . . and in the darkness bind them? |
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| 18:48.54 | levi | Hey, thayne. |
| 18:49.51 | thayne | Is that lnxi levi? |
| 18:49.55 | levi | Yup. |
| 18:50.06 | thayne | Good to hear you. |
| 18:50.15 | thayne | You heard about McKay? |
| 18:50.20 | maquis | pkg |
| 18:50.25 | levi | yup |
| 18:50.26 | maquis | erm |
| 18:50.33 | tensai | moo |
| 18:50.38 | levi | foo |
| 18:50.54 | maquis | -lart tensai |
| 18:50.59 | thayne | It was the suck! Once again bad luck smiled upon him and it wasn't based on his capacity. |
| 18:51.18 | levi | Yeah, he's been unlucky lately. :( |
| 18:51.59 | QBFreak | aha, it sticks the salt on the front of the encrypted password, now this makes sense |
| 18:52.04 | thayne | I hear that he applied there |
| 18:52.29 | findlay | wow, confcache is nice |
| 18:52.43 | levi | Yeah. I think he's under consideration, but I haven't heard any more than that. |
| 18:53.40 | levi | thayne: You still biking? |
| 18:56.39 | thayne | A bit. I nearly severed my left hand in August. |
| 18:57.23 | thayne | Two pins, a wire, a plate and thirteen screws to put it back together - more hardware than a home-improvement project. |
| 18:57.41 | thayne | I can still type, too! |
| 18:57.47 | QBFreak | they don't let you in the airport anymore do they? :) |
| 18:58.24 | levi | Yow. |
| 18:58.50 | thayne | I've always had a "special" pass to get on the planes without going through security B^) |
| 18:59.19 | thayne | err, not really - I lied about that "special" pass |
| 19:02.52 | nick125 | yay I actually won a game of bzflag |
| 19:04.17 | macnewbold | so how did the hand nearly get severed, if you don't mind my asking? bike accident, power tools, wild animal? |
| 19:04.45 | thayne | Gravity assisted speed is efficient at maiming |
| 19:05.08 | macnewbold | yeah, I'm sure |
| 19:05.24 | sjansen | So someone dropped a table saw on you? |
| 19:05.41 | thayne | Mountatin biking - long, straight downhill - loose trail - hopped a rut - landed - front tire washed out - over the handlebars - knew it was broken before I looked at it |
| 19:06.16 | macnewbold | argh |
| 19:07.00 | thayne | Alpine rodeo grounds - walked out 3/4 mile dragging my bike - brother drove me to AF hospital - longest 10 minute car ride of my life |
| 19:07.13 | thayne | I'm sure the ER staff talks about me to this day |
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| 19:13.55 | sjansen | thayne: Well, as long as you've come in from the cold: Do you blog? Do you know about planet utah? Have you read the channel topic? Are you planning on going to the BBQ? |
| 19:15.51 | thayne | Don't blog. Haven't heard of planet utah. Read the topic and I'll go to the BBQ. |
| 19:16.13 | sjansen | http://openclue.org/ut/ |
| 19:20.43 | thayne | I'm trying to find someone to fix my plug.org email account - it stopped working a few days ago. |
| 19:23.31 | sjansen | The Plug mail server was busted for a few days. It seems to be working again. |
| 19:23.46 | sjansen | thayne: You want to talk elg, he's the admin. |
| 19:25.43 | sjansen | heh |
| 19:26.53 | levi | He's got awful connectivity. |
| 19:26.58 | goozbach | why don't I know who thayne is? |
| 19:27.00 | levi | Always bouncing on and off. |
| 19:27.21 | sjansen | goozbach: Because you weren't active in Plug many, many, many, many moons ago. |
| 19:27.25 | levi | goozbach: If you'd ever worked in the same office, you'd know who he was. :) |
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| 19:28.08 | sjansen | Quick, somebody hold elg down before he escapes again! |
| 19:29.15 | goozbach | ~tape elg |
| 19:29.47 | sjansen | Argh! |
| 19:30.14 | goozbach | methinks that that was a LARGE number of moons ago |
| 19:30.45 | sjansen | So I wanted some old files I'd deleted. No problem, I go check my backups. While I'm there, I decide to delete some annoying .cpio files. (cpio? What was I thinking?) |
| 19:31.08 | levi | .... |
| 19:31.15 | goozbach | sjansen!!! |
| 19:31.24 | goozbach | sucks to be you! |
| 19:31.26 | levi | sjansen: You are dead to me. |
| 19:31.36 | sjansen | I have alias rm=rm -i in my .bashrc, just to be safe. Literally half a second after I press y I realize the cpio file has the only copy of the file I wanted. |
| 19:32.20 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 19:32.43 | goozbach | er continuim |
| 19:33.16 | goozbach | er whatever, sjansen acting like a noob... some guy named thayne that everybody but me seems to know... |
| 19:33.28 | goozbach | what |
| 19:33.48 | goozbach | year |
| 19:33.49 | goozbach | is |
| 19:33.51 | goozbach | it? |
| 19:34.03 | maquis | goozbach: 2045 |
| 19:34.04 | maquis | why? |
| 19:35.11 | goozbach | ohh someone tell me who won the last 37 world series.... quick |
| 19:35.25 | goozbach | and here I thought I'd gone BACK in time |
| 19:35.40 | levi | maquis: cpio is an archive format, kind of like tar. |
| 19:35.45 | maquis | levi: ah... |
| 19:35.46 | goozbach | back into sjansen's noobentude |
| 19:35.46 | maquis | ok |
| 19:36.05 | maquis | goozbach: no... sjansen's just senile... |
| 19:36.25 | goozbach | ok that explains it |
| 19:36.33 | goozbach | he's mentally in his noobentude |
| 19:37.01 | goozbach | wow!! if it's 2045 then wow!!!! |
| 19:37.23 | goozbach | the sjansen I met was already a crusty *nix bigot |
| 19:37.24 | maquis | yeah.... debian's actually released 4 times in the past 37 years... |
| 19:37.31 | goozbach | FOUR!!! |
| 19:37.35 | maquis | yup |
| 19:37.35 | goozbach | oh man... |
| 19:37.49 | goozbach | let me guess Microsoft is now a Linux distro... |
| 19:38.31 | macnewbold | ha |
| 19:38.43 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.02 | maquis | goozbach: :) |
| 19:39.59 | goozbach | I think I'm gonna start using that term now... |
| 19:40.03 | goozbach | Noobentude |
| 19:40.14 | maquis | n00b! |
| 19:40.16 | goozbach | like joventude |
| 19:40.28 | goozbach | "youth" is spanish |
| 19:40.39 | goozbach | it may be juventude |
| 19:40.52 | maquis | last i checked, joventud didn't have an e at the end... i could be wrong, though |
| 19:41.06 | goozbach | anywhat, "Noobentud" |
| 19:41.15 | goozbach | you're right |
| 19:41.31 | goozbach | I never been a god spellar |
| 19:41.38 | goozbach | er good |
| 19:42.22 | goozbach | hmm 2045... |
| 19:43.02 | goozbach | have the Braves gone 51 consecutive division titles? |
| 19:44.35 | goozbach | you guys still play nethack in the future? |
| 19:44.38 | goozbach | cool! |
| 19:46.04 | maquis | goozbach: why wouldn't we? |
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| 19:54.11 | levi | goozbach: Hasn't anyone told you? Linux is dead now. We all use GNU HURD. |
| 19:55.26 | maquis | Mem: 256892 252936 3956 |
| 19:55.26 | nick125 | ..gnu hurd? |
| 19:55.49 | maquis | the crazy people use hurd |
| 19:55.55 | nick125 | yeah |
| 19:55.57 | maquis | the rest of us use bsd |
| 19:56.06 | nick125 | or linux |
| 19:56.10 | macnewbold | ~freebsd++ |
| 19:56.25 | maquis | levi joined the church of emacs back in 2040... |
| 19:56.53 | maquis | what the <beep> is foomatic-rip? |
| 19:57.06 | nick125 | I just discovered that 99% of my system was linked to a old gcc 3.3.6 libstdc++ |
| 19:57.10 | maquis | -lart Jayce^ |
| 19:57.25 | nick125 | :/ |
| 19:57.35 | Jayce^ | thayne, tried to email you, but it appears your email isn't working :) |
| 19:58.19 | thayne | Jayce^ - exactly 8^) |
| 19:58.48 | Jayce^ | of course, if you followed plug. you mgiht have known :-p |
| 19:59.02 | thayne | elg, any comments on my plug.org email? |
| 19:59.09 | elg | Jayce^ told me to delete it |
| 19:59.18 | Jayce^ | move, move .... |
| 19:59.38 | Jayce^ | thayne, the box was peaking.... were out of space |
| 19:59.40 | thayne | likely saved ~64GB |
| 20:00.05 | jnbek | is there a free dialup ISP in Utah Valley? |
| 20:00.08 | Jayce^ | basically, we just looked at who had been logging in.. |
| 20:00.09 | thayne | I had *just* started to clear out a pile o' mail and it dropped dead |
| 20:00.23 | Jayce^ | jnbek, Netzero has limited free access |
| 20:01.24 | jnbek | thank you Jayce^ |
| 20:02.23 | Jayce^ | thayne, elg can set you up with an account, but we are very tight until the new box is up |
| 20:03.12 | elg | if you had anything in /home it's still there |
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| 20:15.26 | Hhhhh | I knew it! Perl users are criminals: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/19/1811205&from=rss |
| 20:15.33 | Hhhhh | to jail with them |
| 20:15.52 | thayne | elg - right now I just want my email to work |
| 20:16.13 | elg | did you get my pm? |
| 20:16.23 | elg | it should be working |
| 20:17.20 | thayne | pm? phase modulation? |
| 20:17.27 | thayne | doesn't seem to work |
| 20:17.31 | elg | private message |
| 20:17.44 | thayne | ahh - yep it's here |
| 20:18.01 | findlay | post meridian |
| 20:19.48 | levi | findlay: It's actually post meridiem |
| 20:23.03 | macnewbold | meri-diem ... middle of the day |
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| 20:28.56 | findlay | wow, you learn something every day |
| 20:29.03 | findlay | about the day itself today |
| 20:32.35 | elg | tensai: I'm serious about that book. If you liked what Jurassic Park had to say about the earth, you'll like state of fear. |
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| 20:35.27 | tensai | elg: I realized I was referencing the author of State of Fear as I wrote that. I've thought about reading it and probably will now |
| 20:36.09 | tensai | elg: seeing him on a few talk shows I get the feeling I differ with him about the state of climate change though |
| 20:37.14 | elg | well I haven't seen any interviews, but state of fear mostly resonated with my knowledge, thoughts, and feelings |
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| 20:53.36 | levi | Man, I can't stay connected. |
| 20:54.00 | redbeard1 | levi: i know people like that |
| 20:54.24 | bertbob | http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=74 |
| 20:54.29 | brac | [RealClimate » Michael Crichton’s State of Confusion L’état de confusion de Michael Crichton] |
| 20:54.46 | thayne | Jayce^, need a PLUG presentation? I should be able to demo a Realm mobile personal server |
| 20:56.10 | mheath[laptop] | I hate installing software on Windows machines...... |
| 20:56.35 | Jayce^ | thayne, when do you want to go :) |
| 20:56.39 | Jayce^ | of course we'll take that |
| 20:56.41 | mheath[laptop] | On a Linux machine, I'm installing specific, trim, autoupdated packages that all interrelated in a way perfectly managed by the package system. |
| 20:57.04 | mheath[laptop] | On a Windows machine, its like I'm just adding some more junk to the pile. I don't know... |
| 20:57.14 | macnewbold | http://www.procata.com/blog/archives/2006/05/10/programming-language-trends-via-google/ |
| 20:58.19 | mheath[laptop] | *Sigh*. I get to go and be a different person tomorrow..... |
| 21:02.00 | mheath[laptop] | For two days, I'm suddenly SN Heath, ALPO of the Great Salt Lake Division of the USNSCC. |
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| 21:09.22 | findlay | ~lart fedex for being needlessly difficult |
| 21:11.31 | thayne | Jayce^, when are the meetings |
| 21:12.16 | Jayce^ | ~dog thayne |
| 21:12.22 | ibot | ACTION stares at thayne until thayne whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 21:12.28 | Jayce^ | why pinky, the same time they *always* are |
| 21:12.37 | Jayce^ | hasn't changed in over 10 years |
| 21:12.39 | thayne | Try to take over the world! |
| 21:13.09 | thayne | I meant to ask which meeting is the best |
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| 21:13.58 | thayne | June 14th? |
| 21:14.25 | Jayce^ | well, we had a June meeting (although they haven't confirmed when I tried to make sure with them |
| 21:14.42 | thayne | July 12th? |
| 21:15.04 | thayne | Tell me when and I'll put it together |
| 21:15.06 | Jayce^ | yeah, let me verify the june guys, and if they aren't doign it, then you can do it then |
| 21:15.12 | Jayce^ | failing that, you have July |
| 21:15.29 | levi | Who was planning to do June? |
| 21:15.52 | thayne | . . . anyone? . . . anyone? . . . anyone? |
| 21:15.59 | findlay | who's June? |
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| 21:16.38 | thayne | *danger* |
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| 21:16.49 | levi | findlay: You'll have to check the magazine yourself. |
| 21:16.50 | elg | i might be in town for the june mtg |
| 21:17.33 | levi | elg: Cool, you'll have to bring your Ph.D. candidate powers to bear on the unsuspecting pluggers. :) |
| 21:17.51 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:18.08 | sjansen | I won't be in town for the June meeting. :-( |
| 21:18.17 | findlay | the fedex website has been overrun with marketing dudes and it's littered and strewn with foul pharses like "business software solutions" |
| 21:18.37 | findlay | a man can hardly read it and hold his stomach |
| 21:18.53 | elg | keep your snoot in the air, and remember to snort. we have no truck whatever with the plainbellied sort |
| 21:19.25 | nick125 | wow..I'm lagging :/ |
| 21:19.28 | nick125 | 64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=4 ttl=247 time=2180 ms |
| 21:19.28 | nick125 | 64 bytes from 64.233.167.99: icmp_seq=5 ttl=246 time=1856 ms |
| 21:19.34 | levi | Why is the 'Wacky Way To Read A Byte[]' thread marked OT? Oh, and I win that thread. ;) |
| 21:20.58 | Jayce^ | back |
| 21:21.08 | Jayce^ | June was/is pete ashdown |
| 21:21.26 | Jayce^ | they had confirmed, but I was just trying to re-confirm, and am not getting a reply yet |
| 21:21.36 | levi | Ah, well, I imagine he's a busy man. |
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| 21:24.44 | elg | any good movies out? |
| 21:25.01 | maquis | elg: akeelah and the bee is actually really good |
| 21:25.06 | maquis | so is ice age 2 |
| 21:25.12 | maquis | that's all i've seen recently |
| 21:25.18 | Jayce^ | ice age 2 was great |
| 21:25.24 | Jayce^ | hope to see over the hedge soon |
| 21:25.27 | elg | what if i haven't seen ice age 1 |
| 21:25.31 | Jayce^ | mi3 is supposed to be good action |
| 21:25.34 | Jayce^ | elg, it's worth it |
| 21:25.42 | maquis | although, today, the da vinci code and some good-looking animated movie about animals are coming out |
| 21:25.47 | maquis | elg: i haven't seen ice age 1 either |
| 21:25.55 | maquis | ice age 2 was still hilarious :) |
| 21:26.00 | elg | i want to see mi3, but my wife doesn't |
| 21:26.31 | maquis | i want to see da vinci code... the book was pretty good... i'm hoping they don't destroy it all in the movie |
| 21:26.38 | thayne | http://www.elephantsdream.org/ |
| 21:26.40 | brac | [Elephants Dream - Download & Watch] |
| 21:26.58 | nick125 | thayne: already watched it..I like the quality of it |
| 21:27.26 | elg | maquis: i can't see how they could make a good movie out of that book |
| 21:27.28 | elg | so much exposition |
| 21:27.58 | Jayce^ | x3 next week |
| 21:28.00 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:29.20 | maquis | elg: true... but if they do a good job, that'd be pretty cool |
| 21:29.58 | elg | well you tell me |
| 21:30.10 | maquis | elg: i won't be seeing it today, unfortunately.... |
| 21:30.24 | maquis | i'm hoping my parents will go this weekend and tell me if it's any good |
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| 21:31.56 | elg | -lart rottentomatoes.com |
| 21:32.14 | findlay | -lart fedex.com |
| 21:32.45 | nick125 | brac: I thought they already used a commodore 64.. |
| 21:32.53 | nick125 | well, hey, least fedex is better then UPS! |
| 21:33.17 | nick125 | least they don't try to run you over in the parking lot |
| 21:35.27 | findlay | man, this is so stupid |
| 21:36.04 | findlay | I thought websites were supposed to be useful in helping you find information |
| 21:36.24 | nick125 | they are |
| 21:36.31 | findlay | if so, then deliberate deception is treasonable |
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| 21:38.53 | nick125 | lol |
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| 21:39.31 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
| 21:39.58 | redbeard1 | what's up with ibot spouting out that bagpipe thing all the time? |
| 21:40.07 | findlay | ibot: you are wierd |
| 21:40.09 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:40.31 | nick125 | lol... |
| 21:40.32 | mrpull- | anybody use dd under cygwin to write to a thumbdrive? |
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| 21:43.41 | redbeard1 | tensai: ping |
| 21:44.33 | elg | -lart redbeard1 |
| 21:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ~rlart |
| 21:45.25 | levi | Yow, this is creepy: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-homeless19may19,0,6124984,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines |
| 21:45.26 | brac | [2 Arrested in Homeless Life Insurance Scam - Los Angeles Times] |
| 21:48.33 | Jayce^ | levi, yeesh.. that is bad |
| 21:51.12 | tyce | a sure sign that social security isn't cutting it anymore ;) |
| 21:54.03 | thayne | social security is broken by design |
| 21:55.25 | Jayce^ | thayne, aren't you at the age to start collecting on it? |
| 21:55.27 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 21:56.23 | thayne | I passed that age five years back and refused the payments - that's how much I'm against it! |
| 21:56.48 | findlay | they mailed me a letter telling me that I can start getting social security in a couple of years |
| 21:57.02 | findlay | I'll never touch it though |
| 21:57.29 | findlay | that insidious lucre |
| 21:58.07 | elg | ah, but if you don't take your share, there will be more for other people, and the program will be that much further from crashing |
| 21:58.44 | thayne | I'm all for lucre - I'm just against government sponsored programs that take away my responsibility and the redistribution of property |
| 21:59.21 | findlay | that's partially why I think it's insidious |
| 21:59.24 | thayne | elg is right! I better start getting my checks soon - I've always wanted to be the straw that broke the camel's back |
| 21:59.42 | findlay | me too, let's get this camel |
| 22:00.33 | macnewbold | well if we're all straws, how will we know which one broke the camel's back? |
| 22:00.56 | thayne | Yeah! Camel's suck! Snakes are way cooler! |
| 22:01.06 | thayne | break the camel! |
| 22:01.14 | macnewbold | if we all jump on one at a time, we'd all want to go later, so we could be The One... |
| 22:01.30 | Jayce^ | ~lart thayne |
| 22:02.14 | findlay | a camel could get a snake anyday |
| 22:02.18 | thayne | What was that for? All i did was express my animal preference! |
| 22:02.27 | findlay | I bet camel's are even too big for anacondas |
| 22:02.41 | elg | Jayce^: http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=186209&cid=15368334 |
| 22:02.47 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:03.41 | Jayce^ | ~paint thayne |
| 22:03.42 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on thayne |
| 22:04.00 | thayne | I've seen the pictures - leathal |
| 22:05.11 | Jayce^ | thayne, you could come out some time |
| 22:05.15 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 22:06.09 | thayne | When? |
| 22:06.39 | thayne | May I bring my Glock? |
| 22:06.57 | Jayce^ | well, I'll bring a few toys if you do that.. |
| 22:06.57 | elg | ~slashdot |
| 22:06.58 | thayne | harleypig sure takes it from his son |
| 22:07.11 | elg | according to that, redhat is being more anal about licensing than debian |
| 22:08.18 | nick125 | lol |
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| 22:13.35 | levi | My DSL connection is flaky today. :/ |
| 22:16.49 | jsmith | elg: Your package show up yet? Or is it not coming until the 25th? |
| 22:17.10 | elg | soc results on the 23rd |
| 22:17.41 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 22:17.59 | elg | with any luck, I'll get 4500 to add some cool features to Ardour |
| 22:18.56 | findlay | stupid cpanel |
| 22:19.42 | nick125 | findlay: you hate cpanel as much as I do? |
| 22:21.15 | findlay | cpanel thinks it needs apache-1.3 |
| 22:21.40 | nick125 | why are you using cpanel anyways? |
| 22:24.42 | findlay | I wouldn't if I didn't have to |
| 22:25.19 | nick125 | findlay: well, why do you have to use it? |
| 22:26.48 | findlay | because that's how the company hosts web sites |
| 22:27.06 | nick125 | use directadmin! |
| 22:28.19 | findlay | no way, I'd use vim and custom bash scripts |
| 22:32.30 | nick125 | lol |
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| 22:33.21 | xbmodder_ppc | that was interesting |
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| 22:33.42 | xbmodder_ppc | would someone explain me what layered hair is? |
| 22:34.01 | xbmodder_ppc | vontrapp hey |
| 22:34.09 | xbmodder_ppc | ~seen jsmith |
| 22:34.15 | ibot | jsmith is currently on #asterisk-doc (7h 22m 55s) #utah (7h 22m 55s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 16m 34s, last said: 'Ah...'. |
| 22:34.15 | vontrapp | it's like hair in layers, has to do with styling, perhaps cutting as well, not sure |
| 22:34.34 | vontrapp | so, put linux on my fiance's (man i hate that work, stupid french) laptop |
| 22:34.35 | jsmith | xbmodder_ppc: What's up? |
| 22:34.38 | xbmodder_ppc | hmm. |
| 22:34.38 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 22:34.42 | vontrapp | it doesn't have enough mem to run gnome |
| 22:35.04 | vontrapp | so i'm doing some lightweight wm, openbox for now, maybe icewm since it has a taskbar |
| 22:35.09 | jsmith | vontrapp: Good excuse to spend every waking hour over at her place in front of her machine? |
| 22:35.31 | xbmodder_ppc | <jsmith> you told me to ping you later this week about non-paid intern status |
| 22:35.35 | vontrapp | but she wants desktop icons, i was wondering if anyone had a program that does those that they like and isn't a pain to configure |
| 22:35.47 | levi | vontrapp: You are the fiance, the woman you are planning to marry is your fiancee. |
| 22:35.50 | jsmith | xbmodder_ppc: Send me a private message and we'll talk |
| 22:35.54 | elg | idesk or something |
| 22:35.56 | vontrapp | jsmith: yeah right, my laptop is at leat 5 times better |
| 22:35.57 | vontrapp | and bigger |
| 22:36.10 | jsmith | vontrapp: Yeah, but she'll be calling you over for help |
| 22:36.12 | vontrapp | levi: like i said, stupid french |
| 22:36.20 | elg | how much ram does it have? |
| 22:36.29 | levi | Sorry, my inner pedant is acting up today. |
| 22:36.36 | vontrapp | cassandra@demudi:~$ free total used free shared buffers cached |
| 22:36.39 | vontrapp | Mem: 110816 108180 2636 0 788 40744 |
| 22:36.58 | elg | http://idesk.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 22:37.02 | elg | never used it |
| 22:37.06 | vontrapp | i was just trying idesk |
| 22:37.14 | elg | personally I think you should set her up with ion ;-) |
| 22:37.14 | vontrapp | that's where "not a pain to configure" came from |
| 22:37.21 | vontrapp | ion? |
| 22:37.34 | elg | what about windowmaker? |
| 22:37.44 | elg | it's not quite desktop icons, but you get the same effect |
| 22:37.48 | vontrapp | maybe, oh yeah, it has those desktop things, don't it? |
| 22:37.50 | elg | and more order to boot |
| 22:38.11 | elg | is idesk a pain then? |
| 22:38.24 | vontrapp | wow, package search for ion just came up with only a bazillION things |
| 22:38.37 | elg | so it has more free memory than total memory? |
| 22:38.38 | findlay | vontrapp: fluxbox has a pretty nice desktop icons thingy |
| 22:38.43 | vontrapp | well, you need a file for each icon you want, so it seems |
| 22:38.59 | elg | http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 22:39.02 | brac | [Ion] |
| 22:39.25 | vontrapp | fluxbox has a pretty good taskbar, too, no? |
| 22:39.44 | elg | ion is what I use when I am on a coding binge and want to avoid distractions |
| 22:39.44 | vontrapp | it was going so incredible slow with gnome running... i couldn't beleive it, yet i could.. |
| 22:39.57 | vontrapp | is it like evilwm? |
| 22:40.05 | elg | no |
| 22:40.06 | nick125 | if you want to talk about slow.. |
| 22:40.11 | nick125 | e17 on crappy ATI.. |
| 22:40.26 | nick125 | with all the features turned on |
| 22:40.48 | elg | then there's days like today when I have nothing I need to do and I can't find any distractions that pique my interest |
| 22:44.36 | vontrapp | ~distract elg |
| 22:44.37 | ibot | ACTION puts on a blonde wig and saunters past elg. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 22:44.53 | vontrapp | how's that for a pique? |
| 22:45.24 | vontrapp | i hate when special keys lie to the left of ctrl |
| 22:45.28 | vontrapp | i HATE it |
| 22:45.37 | vontrapp | i can't find ctrl then |
| 22:45.53 | levi | That is why I remapped caps lock to ctrl on my iBook. |
| 22:46.27 | vontrapp | don't know if she'd appreciate that |
| 22:46.35 | vontrapp | then again, don't know if she ever uses ctrl |
| 22:47.13 | elg | tell her you remapped caps to ctrl as a reminder of your love |
| 22:47.26 | elg | whenever she goes to press capslock, she should remember you |
| 22:47.26 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 22:48.03 | vontrapp | i haven't known her to ever type in CAPS either |
| 22:48.42 | vontrapp | gsetroot requires eterm? |
| 22:48.45 | vontrapp | that's lame |
| 22:48.57 | levi | I need to figure out how to do the remapping in WinXP. |
| 22:49.25 | levi | Not having ctrl on caps lock seriously cramps my emacs style. |
| 22:49.38 | vontrapp | so use vim |
| 22:49.43 | vontrapp | then you don't need ctrl |
| 22:50.06 | vontrapp | *flamesuit on* |
| 22:52.32 | sjansen | flamesuit? flamethrower! |
| 22:52.40 | sjansen | ~punish levi for using emacs |
| 22:52.42 | ibot | ACTION makes levi administer SCO for using emacs |
| 22:55.01 | levi | vontrapp: I do, occasionally. Sometimes emacs is better-suited to what I want to do, though. |
| 22:56.56 | levi | vontrapp: Like hacking Lisp code, for example. |
| 22:57.32 | levi | I actually used scsh yesterday for a quick script. It was every bit as nifty as I suspected it would be. |
| 23:02.37 | levi | It's like the perl of lisps, as far as its ease of use for writing unix text-munging scripts. |
| 23:03.47 | ScytheBlade1 | "Let's scatter files and registry keys ALL OVER FOR NO REASON!" |
| 23:06.02 | nick125 | xbmodder_ppc: ping |
| 23:08.14 | findlay | vontrapp: fluxbox + http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/fbdesk/ ? |
| 23:08.15 | brac | [FbDesk] |
| 23:14.57 | vontrapp | fbdesk doesn't seem that great so far |
| 23:15.01 | vontrapp | can't even set an icon |
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| 23:16.16 | vontrapp | ah, nice screen |
| 23:20.00 | redbeard1 | http://www.boasas.com/ |
| 23:20.01 | brac | [[Boy on a Stick and Slither]] |
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| 23:39.51 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seenjsmith |
| 23:39.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ~seen jsmith |
| 23:39.56 | ibot | jsmith <n=jsmith@smithfam.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1h 3m 46s ago, saying: 'vontrapp: Yeah, but she'll be calling you over for help'. |
| 23:42.21 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: hey... |
| 23:43.53 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: we got a problem |
| 23:44.39 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: look in #atarack |
| 23:48.26 | tensai | redbeard1: pong |