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| 00:01.33 | atoponce | nevermind, i'm a freakin' idiot! :) |
| 00:17.01 | jsmith | atoponce: What was the problem? |
| 00:17.21 | scottj | apparently upgrading macbooks hdd is easy |
| 00:18.24 | atoponce | jsmith: well, i was running an sql statement using count(*), and overlooking the counts. instead, i was just looking at the number of rows it was returning |
| 00:18.37 | jsmith | atoponce: Uh, yeah... that gets confusing... |
| 00:19.08 | atoponce | the rows returned were arond 1100, yet the total count, what i was interested in, was around 12,000. |
| 00:19.12 | atoponce | simple oversight :) |
| 00:19.54 | atoponce | i was using 'like' in my statement, so i thought it had something to do with that, but it didn't |
| 01:00.27 | scottj | yeah, intel processor, wide screen, better res, brighter screen, remote control, camera, bigger hdd, thinner..guess I shouldn't complain |
| 01:01.08 | levi | Like I said, I thought it looked like a pretty good deal. |
| 01:01.14 | levi | If I hadn't just bought my iBook a year ago... |
| 01:01.40 | scottj | I sold my ibook 3 months ago to buy this |
| 01:03.02 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, how much would you sell your iBook for? |
| 01:03.19 | nick125 | ping |
| 01:03.23 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, for my friend |
| 01:03.32 | levi | I probably wouldn't sell it right now. |
| 01:04.15 | levi | Besides, since I've got a fairly new Mac, I'd like to wait for at least the next generation of intel Macs before diving in. |
| 01:04.25 | xbmodder_lappy | you mean merom? |
| 01:04.46 | levi | No. |
| 01:04.53 | levi | I mean what I said. |
| 01:05.02 | xbmodder_lappy | that is generation 2 |
| 01:05.17 | levi | As far as I know, Apple has no project named 'merom'. |
| 01:05.28 | xbmodder_lappy | the new intel core... |
| 01:05.30 | xbmodder_lappy | merom |
| 01:05.51 | levi | I know what merom is. |
| 01:06.01 | levi | That's not what I'm waiting for. |
| 01:07.18 | xbmodder_lappy | oh ok |
| 01:13.19 | flyboy^ | Man, what to eat, what to eat. |
| 01:13.36 | flyboy^ | $32 at happy sumo, or $24 a tucanos brazillian grill. |
| 01:14.28 | flyboy^ | Humm, or perhaps outback. |
| 01:14.43 | levi | It's your money, so I suggest the more expensive one. ;) |
| 01:15.30 | flyboy^ | McGraths is good. |
| 01:15.37 | flyboy^ | Anyone have a favorite spot to eat? |
| 01:15.44 | flyboy^ | Rumbi is good. |
| 01:17.25 | levi | What area? |
| 01:18.00 | flyboy^ | Orem/Provo |
| 01:18.22 | levi | I'm not very familiar with places to eat there anymore. |
| 01:18.55 | flyboy^ | There needs to be more mid-level eateries. Like Rumbi. |
| 01:19.00 | levi | I always like the browned butter and mizithra cheese spaghetti and the Spaghetti Factory, though. |
| 01:19.03 | flyboy^ | Like a $10-$15 range. |
| 01:19.11 | flyboy^ | Yeah, mizithra. That is tasty. |
| 01:19.51 | flyboy^ | I need to find a cheap sushi place. |
| 01:20.00 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, hey |
| 01:23.51 | synic | flyboy^: define cheap |
| 01:24.35 | flyboy^ | well, good value. sushi that is real sushi. not rice with carrots and fake crab wrapped in seaweed. |
| 01:25.07 | synic | but... it's slc... |
| 01:26.45 | flyboy^ | What's it called, how much? |
| 01:27.53 | synic | http://utah.citysearch.com/profile/10384507/ |
| 01:28.07 | synic | I usually spend <$10 |
| 01:30.02 | flyboy^ | Looks good. |
| 01:32.17 | synic | a year ago I didn't think I liked sushi |
| 01:32.23 | synic | but this place has got me addicted |
| 01:32.56 | flyboy^ | Happy Sumo has me BEGGING for more, but it's so dang expensive. |
| 01:33.12 | flyboy^ | I swear if I had the dough I could spend $50 on dinner there. |
| 01:34.36 | synic | I've only eaten there once... but their salmon skin rolls were not nearly as good as koko's |
| 01:43.53 | levi | Hah, I knew it. |
| 01:44.22 | levi | I started playing Hybrid's album 'Morning Sci-Fi', and I heard this bass playing, and I thought, "That's got to be Peter Hook" |
| 01:44.32 | levi | And so it was. |
| 01:48.26 | levi | I'll have to try Koko Kitchen sometime. |
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| 02:02.44 | levi | I love Peter Hook's bass playing. It's like comfort food for my ears. |
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| 02:28.25 | levi | Man, where'd everyone go tonight? |
| 02:32.31 | xbmodder_lappy | here |
| 02:37.02 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a good brand of Linux compatible laptops, that has a low end line too? |
| 02:37.20 | mheath | IE, a laptop in the $600-$800 range |
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| 02:40.36 | xbmodder_lappy | compaq? |
| 02:41.20 | levi | You could get a refurbished Thinkpad T42 for around $800. |
| 02:41.55 | mheath | A graduation gift.....hmmm |
| 02:42.02 | mheath | I'm trying to decide between asking him for a laptop or a video camera. |
| 02:43.43 | levi | I still suggest a nice wristwatch, but I guess you're not too keen on that. |
| 02:43.54 | xbmodder_lappy | laptops are much more multi-functional |
| 02:45.53 | levi | Yes, but they go obsolete much more quickly. |
| 02:46.25 | levi | A nice watch will last a lifetime, and will have sentimental value. |
| 02:46.47 | levi | A laptop is just a chunk of plastic and silicon that will have to be tossed in a few years. |
| 02:48.57 | xbmodder_lappy | A watch is like 30 bucks |
| 02:49.07 | xbmodder_lappy | well, a cheap sorta-durable one |
| 02:50.50 | levi | That's a functional watch, but not a nice one. |
| 02:51.10 | levi | My watch cost several hundred dollars. It was a gift. I really like it. |
| 02:53.19 | mheath | I feel rather upset with my recruiter. |
| 02:53.34 | mheath | He calls me, 3 hours after he was supposed to pick me up to go and get me a new social security card |
| 02:53.59 | mheath | One of his other scheduled things went long (3 hours long?!) |
| 02:54.04 | levi | Plus, inconspicuous wristwatches can be worn while in uniform. |
| 02:54.24 | mheath | What bothered me, is I had to specifically request the night off to do this. They have me working a whole bunch |
| 02:54.39 | mheath | He was completely unconcerned. "Just call me whenever you want to do it!" |
| 02:55.22 | levi | How annoying. |
| 02:55.59 | mheath | Yeah. Also annoying: My $10, nice pen that I got for filling out my graudation announcements just died on me. |
| 02:56.02 | mheath | After 2 days of use. |
| 02:56.31 | flyboy^ | Um, your recuiter is taking you to get a social security card? |
| 02:56.46 | mheath | flyboy^, yeah. |
| 02:56.56 | flyboy^ | Why would he do that? |
| 02:57.28 | mheath | flyboy^, because I need one and he's trying to help me become elligible? |
| 02:57.51 | flyboy^ | Okay. Just curious. Just seems a bit odd to me is all. |
| 02:58.28 | nick125 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.30 | nick125 | eerr |
| 02:58.31 | nick125 | blah |
| 02:59.32 | levi | Here's a nice watch: http://www.bulova.com/brands/bulova/product.aspx?id=2207&coll_id=30&origin=collection |
| 02:59.38 | mheath | flyboy^, I don't see how thats odd O.o |
| 03:00.17 | flyboy^ | mheath: I mean no offense by this at all. I don't know the details. But isn't getting a social security card your problem, not the recruiters? I mean, that's not his job is it? |
| 03:00.43 | mheath | flyboy^, Its a common function of a recruiter to help you obtain what you need for enlistment. |
| 03:00.49 | mheath | A social security card is a requirement to enlist. |
| 03:01.19 | mheath | levi, I don't see why thats so expensive |
| 03:01.39 | mheath | I mean, its just stainless steel. I expected that watches in that range would at least have some kind of interesting plating on them |
| 03:01.51 | flyboy^ | hehe. :) |
| 03:02.18 | mheath | I have a watch that looks very similar, and is stainless steel too. I'm sure that one is far more reliable and better constructed, but the diffence is mine was a $30 watch from walmart and that is $375 |
| 03:02.44 | flyboy^ | Yeah, you don't buy a Bulova to throw it away. |
| 03:03.54 | flyboy^ | It's a very very high quality watch. |
| 03:05.24 | flyboy^ | And that is a reasonable price for a Bulova, some of them are thousands of dollars. |
| 03:06.03 | flyboy^ | like this one: http://www.bulova.com/brands/accutron/product.aspx?id=147&origin=similar |
| 03:06.48 | levi | Hmm, I have a Seiko, but they don't make my model anymore. It's titanium, with a 'Perpetual Calendar' feature that makes sure the date is always correct once you set it. |
| 03:07.36 | xbmodder_lappy | does it do leap years? |
| 03:07.55 | levi | Yes. |
| 03:08.00 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet. |
| 03:08.11 | flyboy^ | Here ya go, here is a $3,695 bulova: http://www.bulova.com/brands/bulova/product.aspx?id=1771&coll_id=159&origin=collection |
| 03:08.32 | flyboy^ | Doesn't look like they sell it on line. ;) |
| 03:08.53 | nick125 | timex works just as good |
| 03:09.48 | flyboy^ | Well, not exactly. But hey. |
| 03:09.53 | levi | You guys are hopeless. |
| 03:10.05 | levi | Watches are jewelry. |
| 03:10.34 | mheath | And men shouldn't wear jewelry. :) |
| 03:10.50 | nick125 | you damn mind reader |
| 03:10.55 | flyboy^ | Mr. T does. |
| 03:10.58 | mheath | levi, I'm thinking, functionally, a watch would drive me insane after basic training. |
| 03:11.06 | levi | Why? |
| 03:11.09 | flyboy^ | All them NBA players do. And those rapper guys with the freaking metal mouths. |
| 03:11.17 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, wanna try out for summer of code |
| 03:11.33 | mheath | You don't get to ever look at a clock, for 3 months. You don't get to have anything around your wrist, for 3 months. |
| 03:11.41 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: you forgot about that noe small rule.. |
| 03:11.42 | mheath | Plus, a couple months after that, I'll be over in Iraq |
| 03:11.46 | levi | So? |
| 03:11.58 | mheath | what am I going to do with a $400+ watch in Iraq? |
| 03:12.09 | levi | Wear it. |
| 03:12.21 | levi | Or leave it at home, or whatever. |
| 03:12.31 | levi | A $400 watch is not going to become obsolete. |
| 03:12.33 | mheath | levi, I'm going to be *infantry*. |
| 03:12.38 | levi | You're not thinking very long-term. |
| 03:12.50 | mheath | IE, I'm not going to have a nice office job on one of the secured bases over there |
| 03:12.58 | flyboy^ | mheath: If you are going in to WAR where you might be KILLED get a friggen good watch. One that is NOT digital. And one that has tritiam on the handles. |
| 03:13.01 | levi | Oh no, I won't be able to use it immediately, it is useless! |
| 03:13.35 | flyboy^ | mheath: like these: http://www.broadswordservices.net/smith_wesson_watches_tritium.cfm |
| 03:13.44 | flyboy^ | You need a frekin' war watch to go in to battle. |
| 03:13.50 | flyboy^ | not some cheap wal-mart crap. |
| 03:14.11 | mheath | Do I *need* a watch, though? |
| 03:14.33 | levi | Everyone needs a watch. |
| 03:14.41 | flyboy^ | mheath: if you became detached from your unit, it might be nice to know what time it is so you can use it to gather directions, etc. |
| 03:15.04 | flyboy^ | mheath: Having an acruate time peice can be vital in certain battle situations. |
| 03:15.45 | flyboy^ | mheath: Think about it --- where do they hang a clock on the battle field? |
| 03:16.07 | flyboy^ | mheath: At the very least it'll keep you from being yelled at by your sargent for being late to meetings/etc. |
| 03:16.25 | flyboy^ | Just be sure it doesn't make noise, it's not shiney, etc. |
| 03:16.48 | flyboy^ | The last think you wanna be doing is walking in the dark where some insurgent is hiding and have your damn watch beep. |
| 03:17.25 | levi | And I highly recommend titanium watches. Mine is much lighter than a stainless steel watch of comparable size. |
| 03:18.49 | levi | I find it disturbing that someone who enjoys dress uniform doesn't appreciate a good wristwatch. |
| 03:18.50 | flyboy^ | I like this one because it has clear tritium time segments, and is a dull color: http://www.broadswordservices.net/smith_wesson_watch_tritium_tactical_titanium.cfm |
| 03:19.17 | levi | I was just looking at that one. |
| 03:19.45 | flyboy^ | If I was going to be head in to war I'd be DANG sure I had a watch like that. |
| 03:19.57 | flyboy^ | Along with good body armor, and a clean weapon. |
| 03:23.11 | flyboy^ | Humm, researching that one S&W watch - that was actually designed specifically for military use. |
| 03:24.24 | ScytheBlade1 | So, I decided to pull a hotswap SATA drive from a RAID 1 array running windows today, just to see what I'd have to do if it died |
| 03:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows kept running, until I clicked the start menu - then it froze |
| 03:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | And now it's rebuilding the array, and will be all night and into the morning :) |
| 03:25.46 | flyboy^ | ScytheBlade1: Are you rebuilding at 100%? |
| 03:25.58 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone know a replacement for the summer of code for people under 18? |
| 03:26.02 | ScytheBlade1 | What do you mean by "at 100%"? |
| 03:26.14 | flyboy^ | ScytheBlade1: You can change the rebuild rate on most RAID cards. |
| 03:26.20 | flyboy^ | ScytheBlade1: Most default to like 30% |
| 03:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | flyboy^, it's doing this via the integrated BIOS. |
| 03:26.56 | flyboy^ | ScytheBlade1: Yeah, and it sucks, but usually unless you specify 100% it won't build at 100% - even in the BIOS. |
| 03:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | There's no place to change it in the BIOS :) |
| 03:27.16 | flyboy^ | What card is this? |
| 03:27.23 | flyboy^ | Remind me not to buy one. ;) |
| 03:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Integrated on a 1U rackmount |
| 03:28.11 | flyboy^ | Is it generic? |
| 03:28.24 | ScytheBlade1 | LSI brand |
| 03:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | supermicro server |
| 03:28.34 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Any open source project you want. |
| 03:28.43 | flyboy^ | I've run several LSI's that had the exact problem i just described. |
| 03:29.05 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Or, if you mean something that will get you money, a job at McDonald's. |
| 03:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh. I set it to rebuild and left. |
| 03:29.09 | flyboy^ | ScytheBlade1: After figuring out the stupid design we changed all ours to 100%. Rebuilds then took 2 hours instead of 15. :) |
| 03:29.16 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not critical to anything |
| 03:29.19 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, summer of code is designed to provide money for college students who can't afford to commit that much time to contributing to open source projects |
| 03:29.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So I don't *really* care |
| 03:29.40 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, You, on the other hand, are a spoiled rich highschool student. Just contribute to some open source projects. |
| 03:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | But apparently, I'll poke around |
| 03:30.10 | flyboy^ | ScytheBlade1: Well, maybe something to remember if it does happen on a critical box. And if you are charging per hour - set it to 5%. ;) |
| 03:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | flyboy^, hahaha |
| 03:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | flyboy^, family business ;) |
| 03:30.25 | levi | flyboy^: Where'd you find the info about the watch being designed for the military? |
| 03:30.38 | flyboy^ | levi: Oh gosh, let me see if I can locate it. |
| 03:31.50 | flyboy^ | levi: http://www.clevergear.com/website/store/product_detail.asp?UID=&keyword=CCLOCK&cat_keyword=CEGR&item_no=53245+04&search_page_no=1 |
| 03:31.52 | brac | [Clever Gear : Smith & Wesson Tritium Watch (#53245)] |
| 03:32.30 | flyboy^ | I'd go for the full on titanium band though. |
| 03:32.54 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, but it isn't something my parents think is worth it |
| 03:33.37 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, are your parents going to continue feeding you, let you go to school, and live in their house? |
| 03:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, do you have no spare time? |
| 03:34.05 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy, then, congratulations! You already have what the money that Summer of Code provides is supposed to pay for |
| 03:34.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, not during the summer |
| 03:35.05 | ScytheBlade1 | xbmodder_lappy, then why even bother? :) |
| 03:35.23 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, my parents wanna sign me up for 3 all-summer long classes |
| 03:35.40 | ScytheBlade1 | So take them and get ahead of the game |
| 03:35.45 | xbmodder_lappy | basically like a year of classes put into a 7 week period |
| 03:40.58 | mheath | http://www.circuitcity.com/rpsm/oid/146762/rpem/ccd/productDetailSpecification.do#tabs |
| 03:41.09 | mheath | What do you all think of that? |
| 03:41.13 | mheath | Thats the laptop we're looking at |
| 03:41.36 | mheath | I'm sure you'll all think its slow....remember my fastest machine is a 450 Mhz Pentium III right now. That thing sounds amazing, and its a steal. |
| 03:48.18 | levi | It'll be due for the dumpster all the more quickly, but whatever. |
| 03:49.05 | flyboy^ | It all depends on what you wanna use it for. |
| 03:49.37 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, and what about nick125, who can't even afford to go to college, and can't work at McDonalds? |
| 03:49.45 | flyboy^ | I have an old 200 mhz IBM thinkbad that is okay for GPS applications. |
| 03:50.11 | nick125 | ... |
| 03:50.19 | nick125 | I want to kill you xbmodder_lappy |
| 03:50.24 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 03:50.37 | flyboy^ | If you can't afford to go to college you didn't work hard enough in high school. |
| 03:50.57 | xbmodder_lappy | and if your under 16? |
| 03:51.03 | levi | mheath: Doesn't look like that bad of a laptop, really. Just check to see what level of Linux support it has. |
| 03:51.06 | xbmodder_lappy | (can't get a work permit) |
| 03:51.13 | flyboy^ | I had a job at 14. |
| 03:51.20 | flyboy^ | What place won't let you work at 16? |
| 03:51.34 | flyboy^ | I was a elementry school janitor at 14. |
| 03:51.56 | levi | I assume a 16 year old has not yet finished high school. |
| 03:52.10 | xbmodder_lappy | subway, flower shop, quiznos, jamba juice |
| 03:52.13 | xbmodder_lappy | fry's |
| 03:52.21 | xbmodder_lappy | bob's giant burgers |
| 03:52.31 | flyboy^ | hehe. :) |
| 03:52.36 | levi | So, finishing high school should be a 16 year old's priority. |
| 03:52.37 | flyboy^ | Get a paper route. ;) |
| 03:52.48 | flyboy^ | I helped my friends with their paper route at 12! |
| 03:52.58 | levi | Mow lawns, babysit, etc. |
| 03:53.23 | flyboy^ | My old boss founded a multi-million dollar company when he was 16. |
| 03:53.41 | flyboy^ | I don't recommend that, but it's possible. |
| 03:55.19 | xbmodder_lappy | flyboy^, working on that... |
| 03:55.35 | flyboy^ | Hey all. I need an app that will allow me to categorize, search, and display links via a web interface. |
| 03:55.37 | levi | I was more concerned with hanging out with friends, playing games, etc. at 16. |
| 03:55.40 | flyboy^ | anyone know of anything? |
| 03:55.51 | flyboy^ | It needs to be well written. |
| 03:56.07 | levi | del.icio.us ? |
| 03:56.23 | flyboy^ | Oh, is that what del.icio.us is for? |
| 03:56.31 | levi | Yup. |
| 03:56.49 | levi | It's a web-based tagged bookmark store. |
| 03:56.50 | flyboy^ | Can I install that software on my site? |
| 03:56.58 | nick125 | flyboy^: you could pay xbmodder_lappy and me to write you one in django :D |
| 03:57.00 | levi | No, you just use the central server. |
| 03:57.03 | nick125 | no |
| 03:57.05 | nick125 | its a service |
| 03:57.20 | flyboy^ | Humm, someone has to have an OSS clone of it though, right? |
| 03:57.27 | flyboy^ | I mean, it's not that hard to write is it? |
| 03:57.50 | flyboy^ | I want to be able to extend it. |
| 03:57.56 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: want to do flyboy^ a favor? :) |
| 03:57.57 | levi | Well, part of the appeal of del.icio.us is that you can search everyone's link stashes, not just yours. |
| 03:58.06 | flyboy^ | ahh. |
| 03:58.17 | xbmodder_lappy | sure |
| 03:58.20 | flyboy^ | Yeah - I don't want xbmodder_lappy to be able to search my links. |
| 03:58.24 | flyboy^ | :P |
| 03:58.24 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 03:58.29 | nick125 | haha |
| 03:58.38 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 03:58.43 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: lets go have some django fun.. |
| 03:58.58 | flyboy^ | I can write it in PHP if I have to, I guess. |
| 03:59.12 | flyboy^ | I can probably make a drupal module for it if I work extra hard. |
| 03:59.26 | levi | Are you providing this to customers or something? |
| 03:59.53 | flyboy^ | No, I want to extend it for an idea of a web site I am toying with. |
| 04:00.10 | levi | Ah. |
| 04:00.22 | flyboy^ | But I need a good way to categorize and display them based on category. |
| 04:00.26 | levi | Well, you might try searching for "like del.icio.us" or something. |
| 04:00.34 | flyboy^ | Yeah, I'm trolling freshmeat now. |
| 04:00.47 | levi | Tagging is the new categorizing. |
| 04:01.05 | nick125 | I can probably write something afterwhile.. |
| 04:01.10 | flyboy^ | Which is the del.icio.us way? |
| 04:01.19 | levi | Tagging. |
| 04:01.52 | levi | All the cool Web 2.0 apps allow you to tag things. It's all about folksonomies. |
| 04:02.10 | flyboy^ | Man, I guess I'm not staying up with the latest trends. |
| 04:02.15 | levi | Blog entires have tags, bookmarks have tags, pictures on flickr have tags. |
| 04:02.25 | flyboy^ | I've heard it mentioed, but it kinda look a bit faddish to me. |
| 04:03.02 | levi | Well, it took off because it turned out to work really well. |
| 04:03.13 | levi | As evidenced by del.icio.us and flickr. |
| 04:03.27 | flyboy^ | So - what did they used to call tags? Meta words? |
| 04:03.37 | levi | Yeah, probably. |
| 04:03.58 | flyboy^ | I love it. We don't invent. We recycle. |
| 04:04.16 | levi | The idea is that you don't create a hierarchy, but you have multiple overlapping categories. |
| 04:05.23 | levi | Some places have sort of a hybrid system, where tags can have sub-tags. |
| 04:06.06 | levi | I've portrayed it as trendy, but it really is a good idea. |
| 04:06.48 | ScytheBlade1 | tagging + well done search = utter bliss |
| 04:07.12 | levi | Rigid hierarchies are difficult to set up correctly and prone to categorization errors. |
| 04:07.33 | flyboy^ | This is a bit more of a full PIM, but kinda looks fun: http://www.brim-project.org/ |
| 04:07.52 | flyboy^ | I like the rollover information. |
| 04:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, I like the logo |
| 04:08.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "A multithingy something" |
| 04:08.04 | levi | You can see the phenomenon by looking at how Yahoo has changed over time. |
| 04:08.27 | levi | It used to be nothing but a human-edited hierarchical web directory. |
| 04:08.46 | flyboy^ | Yeah, back when it was useful. |
| 04:09.04 | levi | Now, the web directory is just a tiny little box below the immediately visible part of the home page. |
| 04:09.33 | levi | Well, the web has grown beyond the ability of a centrally-organzied hierarchical index to keep up. |
| 04:10.12 | levi | Search and tagging have taken over as the content management techniques. |
| 04:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And they do a very good job of it, too |
| 04:12.20 | levi | I had grand visions of a web-based personal content management system, but I've put them aside for the moment, as I don't have time to properly work on it. |
| 04:14.41 | levi | It was supposed to keep track of my research, so I could access it from anywhere. It'd cache links to informative sites and have a sort of outlining/mind-mapping system to organize notes, links, and files. |
| 04:15.34 | flyboy^ | Please build it cause I need that too. |
| 04:15.48 | levi | Someday. |
| 04:15.50 | flyboy^ | I'll give ya $5 to help you get started. ;) |
| 04:15.54 | levi | Heh. |
| 04:16.16 | levi | With work, school, and a wife & baby to take care of, I don't have nearly enough time. |
| 04:18.32 | levi | I haven't even had a chance to integrate my Markdown implementation into my blog, or transfer my old Drupal entries to my new blog system. |
| 04:20.05 | mheath | *sigh* |
| 04:20.34 | levi | mheath: What's wrong now? |
| 04:20.34 | mheath | Sometimes, I look at other people in my school, and I can't help but feel uncomfortable that these people are the future of America, the ones that I might give my life to defend. |
| 04:20.48 | mheath | We had a philosophy class today |
| 04:20.48 | flyboy^ | levi: You moved from drupal to what? |
| 04:20.55 | levi | flyboy^: A blog system I wrote. |
| 04:21.01 | mheath | Displaying videos that students made on a philosophy or philosopher. |
| 04:21.15 | flyboy^ | levi: Ahh. I just moved TOO drupal. |
| 04:21.19 | levi | flyboy^: I haven't moved yet, I just started another blog. Now I want to integrate the two. |
| 04:21.22 | flyboy^ | from mambo. |
| 04:21.33 | levi | I've got an older version of Drupal and I don't feel like upgrading it. |
| 04:21.42 | mheath | One of them was on Albert Einstein (which they somehow managed to squeeze into the category of philosopher, without doing anything more than touch on one of his physics concepts) |
| 04:21.56 | levi | Plus, it keeps too much crap in the database for my PIII/450 to handle. |
| 04:22.03 | mheath | It was, perhaps, the stupidest video I have ever seen. |
| 04:22.38 | flyboy^ | levi: I haven't been able to figure out how to get it to auto-delete old RSS feed items. Did you run in to that at all? |
| 04:22.47 | flyboy^ | *ahhh* the AC is finally working again. |
| 04:22.53 | mheath | They had an Austin Power's cardboard cutout, that they decorated with "hair" (torn up paper) and a "moustache" along with, of course, a sign saying "Albert Einstein" |
| 04:23.36 | mheath | They did some silly voice (it was a girl doing it) that they found to be hilarious, apparently (they wouldn't stop laughing), but left everyone else in the room wondering what the heck was going on. |
| 04:24.11 | mheath | Einstein was brilliant. "What is your theory of relativity?" elliceted such great responses as "Its a theory about gravity." |
| 04:24.17 | levi | Well, Einstein was something of a philosopher, but I would expect some pretty serious support from a school assignment treating him as one. |
| 04:24.40 | mheath | And "What are some memorable quotes from you?" was given the reply of "I'm quoted a lot because I'm so great and smart, I'm totally a geek" |
| 04:25.03 | mheath | My favorite: |
| 04:25.27 | mheath | "What made you turn down the presidency of Israel?" -> "I'm just so fiercly American!" |
| 04:25.34 | flyboy^ | lol |
| 04:25.38 | levi | mheath: Sounds pretty lame. Fortunately, a lot of those kids will grow out of being lame. |
| 04:25.42 | flyboy^ | sounds like typical teenager crap. |
| 04:26.16 | flyboy^ | I tended to avoid all of my classes as much as possible. |
| 04:26.29 | flyboy^ | There was one semester that I think I did 2 home work assignments. |
| 04:26.39 | mheath | Oooh, I can even game on that Laptop! :) |
| 04:26.44 | mheath | To a certain extent |
| 04:26.59 | levi | Interesting article: http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-58/iss-12/p34.html |
| 04:27.04 | brac | [Albert Einstein as a Philosopher of Science - Physics Today December 2005] |
| 04:27.06 | mheath | I mean, our Pentium 3-based Celeron 1ghz computer with 512MB of RAM let me play WoW |
| 04:27.17 | flyboy^ | I had this book report and I submitted the same report in different styles to four different clases. |
| 04:28.30 | flyboy^ | Our HS was doing this stupid thing where each class would require something of science, english, mathmatics, and a few other core components. |
| 04:28.48 | flyboy^ | All I had to do was write one paper that met all those critera, and it just sorta worked in all the classes. |
| 04:29.12 | flyboy^ | I love education reform. |
| 04:29.24 | flyboy^ | it has created a whole generation of freeloaders. ;) |
| 04:31.58 | flyboy^ | Any how - it totally shows in my case. I am always screwing things up. |
| 04:32.18 | levi | Heh. |
| 04:32.36 | levi | Yeah, my High School habits carried over to college, with disasterous effect. |
| 04:33.01 | levi | Fortunately, I was eventually able to get better habits. |
| 04:35.10 | levi | mmm, the Magnetic Fields. |
| 04:42.18 | mheath | In case any of you were interested |
| 04:42.23 | mheath | That laptop DOES support Linux, it seems |
| 04:42.34 | mheath | I couldn't find any testimonials of support |
| 04:42.47 | mheath | But all of its hardware (except for the dialup modem) has Linux drivers |
| 04:45.07 | nick125 | people think that virtuozzo is better because people can oversell on it, and, they say its better because there might be times where not everyone is using all their resources blah blah blah.. |
| 04:46.26 | flyboy^ | xen is better. |
| 04:46.30 | flyboy^ | Don't buy the crap. |
| 04:47.00 | nick125 | I know.. |
| 04:47.33 | nick125 | most virtuozzo resellers actually overcommit their servers |
| 04:48.15 | nick125 | the guy from tektonic admits they overcommit their servers (they say its under 5%) |
| 04:49.27 | nick125 | I don't like the way that virtuozzo allows people to overcommit like that |
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| 05:08.56 | levi | Hi, dilvie |
| 05:10.22 | dilvie | what's up? |
| 05:10.44 | levi | Up with the baby. |
| 05:11.17 | levi | She was fussing like she was hungry, so I rocked her a bit while I prepared a bottle, but then she refused it and fell fast asleep in my lap. |
| 05:11.52 | levi | Silly gir. |
| 05:11.53 | dilvie | cute |
| 05:11.54 | levi | girl |
| 05:12.04 | QBFreak | you have a gir? |
| 05:12.33 | levi | I have a lazy right ring finger. |
| 05:12.55 | QBFreak | I see |
| 05:13.26 | dilvie | "L" is under my right pinkie finger |
| 05:13.55 | QBFreak | dilvie: his aims lower in life |
| 05:14.14 | dilvie | aoeuidhtns- |
| 05:14.36 | levi | Ooops, she's awake again. |
| 05:15.08 | QBFreak | dilvie: stop making all that racket, you woke the baby :p |
| 05:15.19 | dilvie | sorry ); |
| 05:15.52 | QBFreak | aww, don't be sad, its ok, just keep it down a little |
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| 05:24.14 | levi | Hi, dataw0lf. |
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| 05:33.37 | dataw0lf | levi: hiya sir. |
| 05:34.17 | dataw0lf | can someone just give me lars shipping address so I can mail this hard drive? :) I'm way too busy to figure out how to meet. |
| 05:42.47 | levi | Sorry, haven't got his address. |
| 05:43.03 | QBFreak | does he have a domain to do a whois on? |
| 05:43.35 | dataw0lf | I'll just wait til morning, I don't want to send the drive to some random whois'ed address. |
| 05:43.43 | QBFreak | heh |
| 05:44.03 | QBFreak | his host gets it and goes "what on earth do we do with this?" |
| 05:44.11 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 05:44.21 | dataw0lf | or it just goes to some non existent address. |
| 05:44.26 | dataw0lf | like the addresses on my domains |
| 05:44.30 | dataw0lf | '443 Da Block' |
| 05:44.39 | dataw0lf | yea, I'm retarded. |
| 05:45.04 | QBFreak | legally you're supposed to have something legit :p |
| 05:45.26 | QBFreak | my host just started doing a proxy thing, they'll shred all incoming mail and forward all email |
| 05:45.36 | xbmodder_lappy | dataw0lf, you need to ship a hard drive to someone? |
| 05:45.47 | xbmodder_lappy | what size/speed/technology? |
| 05:45.56 | dataw0lf | it's already sold. |
| 05:46.02 | QBFreak | xbmodder_lappy: hey! I saw him first! |
| 05:46.13 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 05:46.16 | dataw0lf | QBFreak: where is this legal qualifier for WHOIS records? |
| 05:46.36 | QBFreak | hmm, maybe that was just part of my license agreement with my host |
| 05:46.42 | dataw0lf | Yea. |
| 05:47.31 | QBFreak | I can set it to whatever I want, they still have my contact info on file with my account, but they tell me to keep it all valid |
| 05:55.07 | levi | Here's an awesome watch: http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.jp/apollo/astrodeae.htm |
| 05:56.34 | dataw0lf | link seems dead, levi. |
| 05:58.37 | levi | Whoops. |
| 05:58.51 | levi | I'm having cut/paste difficulties with putty, so I transcribed it by hand. |
| 05:58.58 | levi | There should be a .co before the .jp |
| 05:59.03 | QBFreak | you should be able to simply right click to paste |
| 05:59.15 | levi | http://apollomaniacs.web.infoseek.co.jp/apollo/astrodeae.htm |
| 05:59.17 | brac | [APOLLO MANIACS:Celestial watch : Astrodea] |
| 05:59.21 | QBFreak | unless you set something funky |
| 05:59.31 | levi | Oh, I was middle-clicking. |
| 05:59.55 | levi | Also this one: http://www.fossil.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=18229&itemType=PRODUCT&iProductID=18229 |
| 06:00.00 | QBFreak | putty is special |
| 06:00.21 | QBFreak | now some VIM configurations will cause havoc and not let you paste with a right click, I've yet to understand that |
| 06:01.04 | Uncle_Jesse | Let's cross our fingers that my blog doesn't spam openclue again once it gets re-activated |
| 06:01.09 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I figured out the prob |
| 06:01.12 | levi | Heh. |
| 06:02.34 | Uncle_Jesse | I actually had the same problem 2 years ago and even documented the fix on my blog |
| 06:02.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I just forgot that I had written it down |
| 06:03.59 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - this is what you get when you shoplift at a new Apple flagship store: |
| 06:03.59 | QBFreak | heh |
| 06:04.02 | Uncle_Jesse | http://news.com.com/2300-1041_3-6073024-1.html |
| 06:04.09 | QBFreak | iJail? |
| 06:23.00 | QBFreak | levi: I look at the link expecting to find a video, darned english |
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| 06:43.29 | levi | http://news.com.com/2300-1041_3-6073024-1.html |
| 06:43.49 | levi | Er, whoops, wrong url. |
| 06:44.03 | levi | http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/loudnesgraphic.htm |
| 06:44.04 | brac | [The Evolution Of Loud CDs] |
| 06:45.05 | QBFreak | as long as they stay at the same volume relative to all my other CDs I don't mind, I always adjust it to something comfortable and not-loud |
| 06:46.23 | QBFreak | ah, I see they're getting at quality not ear safety |
| 06:47.06 | QBFreak | you know...if that graphic is real CD audio, isn't that copying it in some form for public performance? :) |
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| 06:48.34 | levi | http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicdeath.htm |
| 06:48.35 | brac | [The Death Of Dynamic Range] |
| 06:51.24 | levi | I was listening to classical music in the car with my wife and I had to explain dynamic range to her because she kept turning the volume down when it got to loud parts. |
| 06:52.34 | levi | And how you don't have to do that with pop stations because the songs don't have much dynamic range to begin with and are then compressed all to hell. |
| 06:53.19 | QBFreak | is that why some pop songs leave you feeling assulted for no apparent reason... |
| 06:53.34 | QBFreak | namely the one mentioned on that page, the friends theme |
| 06:55.26 | QBFreak | I'm not done reading, but it makes me ask, "why?" |
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| 11:23.34 | bertbob | gotta love Provo...shaved ice is, for some unknown reason, illegel before June 1st, but they've decided in the mighty mormon way to ignore laws they don't like |
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| 12:34.49 | goozbach | illegal before june 1st? |
| 12:34.54 | goozbach | bertbob: source? |
| 12:35.53 | goozbach | and there may be some other way of showing your displeasure about the lack of compliance with said law |
| 12:36.27 | goozbach | instead of a (baseless) derrogitory comment about mormonism |
| 13:07.20 | goozbach | anyhow I'm pretty sure that it's not the 'Official' policy of the LDS church to scoff at the shaved ice law. |
| 13:17.48 | bertbob | source channel 2 news |
| 13:18.53 | bertbob | and I mean mormons typically ignore laws they don't like....for instance I wouldn't be surprised to see people speeding to town, parking in a bus zone, and jaywalking to the shaved ice shack |
| 13:20.08 | bertbob | and you can't tell me the city fathers of provo, who have decided not to enforce the "no shaved ice before june 1" statute, aren't lds |
| 13:21.43 | mheath | bertbob, I dislike the Mormon church. I left the church for some personal reasons, many years ago. However, I'd like to echo goozbach's comments about not making so many generalized and silly comments. |
| 13:21.47 | goozbach | and being mormon is the reason they're breaking the law |
| 13:21.53 | goozbach | ? |
| 13:22.05 | goozbach | bertbob: ever been anywhere else? |
| 13:22.22 | bertbob | sure. In Washington state people typically obey traffic laws |
| 13:22.46 | mheath | bertbob, thats a culture, not a religion! |
| 13:23.00 | goozbach | so... being mormon makes me more likely to break the law? |
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| 13:23.09 | mheath | I don't typically strictly obey the laws, and I'm not Mormon (anymore) |
| 13:23.27 | goozbach | bertbob: I'm not dissaggreeing with you |
| 13:23.48 | goozbach | /Utahns/ tend to pass little laws off quite easily |
| 13:24.00 | goozbach | generally speaking |
| 13:24.03 | bertbob | it's a generalized observation of the fact that this predominately mormon culture typically breaks laws they don't think apply to themselves |
| 13:24.08 | ^Migs^ | I've never passed a law in my life |
| 13:24.30 | goozbach | s/pass/pass over, disreguard/ |
| 13:24.54 | mheath | bertbob, you remind me of a story our teacher read us |
| 13:24.56 | ^Migs^ | oh, that's what I get from just trying to nose-dive into an unfamiliar conversation |
| 13:25.00 | ^Migs^ | s/from/for/ |
| 13:25.04 | mheath | it was talking about critical thinking skills |
| 13:25.09 | goozbach | bertbob: I don't think it has anything whatsoever to do with the fact that the population is mormon |
| 13:25.11 | mheath | discussing bad logic |
| 13:25.25 | goozbach | drive in Phoenix |
| 13:25.30 | goozbach | or Miami |
| 13:25.32 | mheath | People Speed in Utah + Most Utahns are Mormon == All Mormons Speed |
| 13:25.59 | goozbach | replace 'mormon' with 'Utahn' in your statement and I'll back it up |
| 13:26.01 | ^Migs^ | yeah, your idea of cause and effect is a little backwards there, bertbob |
| 13:26.04 | bertbob | I see people with little black nametags jaywalking all day in downtown slc |
| 13:26.15 | goozbach | grind your axe somewhere else |
| 13:26.20 | goozbach | new topic! |
| 13:26.56 | mheath | Today is a big day |
| 13:27.05 | ^Migs^ | I'm a non-jaywalking Mormon. Thus, your argument is refuted. |
| 13:27.05 | goozbach | why? |
| 13:27.15 | mheath | I get my first laptop and the fastest, nicest computer (by far) that I have ever owned today |
| 13:27.20 | ^Migs^ | sweet |
| 13:27.20 | goozbach | ohhh |
| 13:27.24 | goozbach | new hardware!!! |
| 13:27.27 | bertbob | typically behaviour is not universal behaviour |
| 13:27.27 | goozbach | congrats? |
| 13:27.30 | goozbach | specs? |
| 13:27.32 | bertbob | -ly |
| 13:27.52 | mheath | eh, its a cheap laptop, but keep in mind my fastest computer right now is a Pentium III 450 mhz computer |
| 13:28.04 | mheath | It has an AMD Mobile Sempon 3300 |
| 13:28.05 | ^Migs^ | that's how fast your new computer is? |
| 13:28.08 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 13:28.09 | mheath | 2Ghz |
| 13:28.12 | mheath | 512 MB of RAM |
| 13:28.19 | mheath | ATI Radeon Mobile 200M |
| 13:28.21 | goozbach | well, specs? not everyone can own a laptop like harleypig |
| 13:28.31 | mheath | 60GB HDD |
| 13:28.36 | goozbach | let alone carry one :) |
| 13:28.36 | ^Migs^ | hey, that's not bad at all. Better than my laptop |
| 13:28.53 | goozbach | mheath: not to shabby at all |
| 13:28.56 | goozbach | which brand? |
| 13:29.01 | mheath | Compaq. |
| 13:29.02 | goozbach | and what resolution |
| 13:29.03 | goozbach | ? |
| 13:29.06 | ^Migs^ | mheath pwns us in the laptop department |
| 13:29.28 | mheath | goozbach, I can't remember the specific numbers off the top of my head, but it has a widescreen, high resolution, ultra bright display :) |
| 13:29.37 | goozbach | 1600x1200? |
| 13:30.02 | mheath | That sounds right, Not certain. I'm not used to the widescreen numbers, but I know it was > 1024x768 (what my current system is at) |
| 13:30.34 | mheath | It kinda blew me away, how nice this laptop is. |
| 13:30.53 | mheath | I haven't bought any computer stuff in years, so I haven't been following the prices much |
| 13:31.00 | mheath | amazed me I could get something this nice for so cheap |
| 13:32.00 | goozbach | laptops have come down in price quite a bit lately |
| 13:32.36 | mheath | It should be LInux compatible, too |
| 13:32.51 | mheath | I'm not certain...this is a new laptop, and I couldn't find any specific mentions of it working in Linux |
| 13:33.03 | mheath | but I did some research about all it's components, and all the hardware in the thing is Linux compatible |
| 13:33.58 | mheath | I can game a bit on it, too :) |
| 13:34.07 | mheath | I'm not obsessed with FPS or anything |
| 13:34.32 | mheath | But I assume that the 2.0Ghz Sempron with 512MB of RAM should be able to play the games our 1.0Ghz Celeron with 512MB of RAM could play |
| 13:34.52 | goozbach | should do ok |
| 13:35.33 | herlo | I am trying to buy a T60 (or something else with virtualization). Other recommendations welcomed |
| 13:35.52 | herlo | my budget is in the high $2k area |
| 13:36.14 | mheath | Wish I could help, herlo, but that question went right over the top of my head. |
| 13:36.39 | herlo | wow, that was easy |
| 13:37.11 | herlo | https://www-1.ibm.com/products/hardware/configurator/na/ui/submitConfigSelection.wss?nc=1147859215325#updateAnchorPointBottom |
| 13:37.15 | goozbach | herlo: the T60 is your best bet as far as laptops go |
| 13:37.25 | mheath | OH, a laptop |
| 13:37.33 | mheath | Jeez |
| 13:37.44 | herlo | yeah, that's what a T60 is.... |
| 13:37.49 | mheath | Sorry, half the things in existance use the T## model scheme |
| 13:38.01 | mheath | You have calculators, processors, laptops, etc. all using it |
| 13:38.04 | herlo | agreed |
| 13:38.31 | herlo | http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?productFamilyID=720&ref=list&display=priceDetail |
| 13:38.36 | brac | [Lenovo (IBM) ThinkPad T60 Review and Information] |
| 13:39.02 | herlo | yeah, goozbach: I am really leaning toward it, but I have a few qualms with it, mostly stuff I could "get used to" |
| 13:39.14 | herlo | freaking esc key |
| 13:39.36 | herlo | alternation of ctrl/fn key when compared to "normal" keyboards |
| 13:39.46 | herlo | the fact that its $2700 |
| 13:39.50 | herlo | to start |
| 13:40.13 | herlo | though I don't actually mind spending that much on a laptop... |
| 13:40.29 | herlo | the verizon wireless WWAN built in.... |
| 13:40.32 | herlo | why? |
| 13:41.18 | herlo | only one model could I get it without by default, only to find out that it lacked other options (from lenovo's site, haven't tried anywhere else so far, suggestions/comments welcome here too) |
| 13:42.58 | herlo_home | anyway, that's the short list, but I do really like it otherwise. I guess you have to have a few qualms with technology these days... |
| 13:43.07 | goozbach | herlo_home: there were a bunch of specsheets that Dax had gathered when he and Bryan and I purchased our t series, |
| 13:43.24 | goozbach | ask him if he knows how to track those down again. |
| 13:43.40 | herlo_home | oh, and the fact that it doesn't have wuxga resolution on any of its models, that's like a total bummer |
| 13:43.44 | goozbach | it doesn't come with the intel 2195? |
| 13:43.48 | herlo_home | yeah, I will |
| 13:43.51 | goozbach | hmmm |
| 13:43.55 | goozbach | no wuxga? |
| 13:43.58 | goozbach | hmm |
| 13:44.00 | herlo_home | intel 2195? |
| 13:44.28 | herlo_home | yeah, no wuxga, largest is wxga I think... |
| 13:44.49 | herlo_home | wxga = 1600x1200 wuxga=1920x1200 |
| 13:45.12 | goozbach | why wyou would want that much on a laptop is beyond me |
| 13:45.37 | herlo_home | goozbach: it does have 2195, I think it does one better... |
| 13:45.45 | redman1 | goozbach: dude, you should see harley's laptop, weighing in at a good 12+ lbs |
| 13:46.03 | herlo_home | Integrated WiFi wireless LANIntel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG and Bluetooth (Standard) |
| 13:46.14 | herlo_home | from the previous link (1st one) |
| 13:46.38 | herlo_home | my last laptop weighed in at about 9lbs plus an extra battery |
| 13:46.55 | goozbach | redman1: I know, that's why I made that comment |
| 13:46.58 | herlo_home | its hell to carry, which is why I don't (usually) |
| 13:47.20 | redman1 | mine is about 8 lbs, not too bad. it works for me. |
| 13:47.20 | herlo_home | but I love the resolution |
| 13:47.25 | herlo_home | I live on my laptop |
| 13:48.12 | herlo_home | btw, to start the t60 15" weighs in at 6.4lbs |
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| 14:27.11 | goozbach | ~dict akimbo |
| 14:36.00 | ^Migs^ | http://www.thepregnancytester.com/ |
| 14:36.00 | brac | [Free Online Pregnancy Test] |
| 14:40.20 | elg | sweet, I'm pregnant |
| 14:42.49 | ^Migs^ | awesome, what are you having? |
| 14:43.33 | elg | a girl. red hair |
| 14:43.57 | ^Migs^ | who's the daddy? |
| 14:46.26 | Jayce^ | wow, jesse jackson with a blue eyed boy |
| 14:46.36 | elg | hehe |
| 14:46.40 | elg | the pope |
| 14:57.24 | Uncle_Jesse | crap the comment spammers have found my blog |
| 14:57.37 | Uncle_Jesse | need to add a captcha to the comment system now I think |
| 15:01.24 | elg | levi: nice article on CD clipping, but that's only half of the story |
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| 15:12.29 | elg | -lart sjansen |
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| 15:20.55 | elg | ~wds |
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| 15:25.46 | maquis | bertbob: in washington they don't obey trafffic laws anymore than they do here... |
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| 15:28.38 | maquis | -lart phinux :) |
| 15:28.58 | redman1 | ow! |
| 15:30.31 | ^Migs^ | oh, I like this: http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/ |
| 15:30.33 | brac | [Google Web Toolkit - Build AJAX apps in the Java language] |
| 15:30.47 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to stick Google Maps into everything now |
| 15:30.51 | ^Migs^ | whether it needs it or not |
| 15:31.21 | sjansen | ~crush maquis |
| 15:31.25 | ibot | ACTION crushes maquis with a full height scsi disk |
| 15:45.44 | tensai | redman1: made more curd last night. this time I think it got a little too thick. it's almost sliceable. |
| 15:47.02 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wii60.com/uploads/8.gif |
| 15:50.11 | redman1 | tensai: oh man. sliceable curd. it'll kill ya, but you'll die happy. ^_^ |
| 15:50.34 | levi | Mmmm. |
| 15:50.39 | levi | Cheese. |
| 15:51.15 | levi | redman1: Some Californian coworkers brought in a bunch of yummy snacks from Trader Joe's and some ethnic stores yesterday. Lots of yummy stuff. |
| 15:52.02 | levi | Some sort of Russian garlic-flavored crackers, some Genoa Salami, some smoked pork loin, a couple of different rye loaves, some sheep cheese... |
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| 15:53.23 | tensai | ~lart Outlook for breaking threads |
| 15:54.00 | redman1 | levi: what kinds of snacks? |
| 15:54.11 | Jayce^ | tensai, how does it break them, it doesn't even know what threads are! |
| 15:54.12 | levi | elg: What's the other half of the story? |
| 15:54.17 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 15:54.48 | levi | redman1: The ones I just listed: Some sort of Russian garlic-flavored crackers, some Genoa Salami, some smoked pork loin, a couple of different rye loaves, some sheep cheese... |
| 15:55.03 | tensai | Evolution, in an attempt to correct Outlook's failings, has a plugin to do subject based threading. it works mostly but obviously can't work always. |
| 15:55.20 | tensai | ~stab Outlook |
| 15:55.21 | ibot | ACTION runs at Outlook with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 15:55.25 | redman1 | levi: oops. sorry about that. my bad. |
| 15:55.41 | redman1 | i don't know if i've had sheep cheese before |
| 15:55.49 | elg | levi: raising volume to clip is just plain stupid mastering |
| 15:55.52 | levi | Layering a slice of salami and a slice of cheese over the garlic cracker made for a divine flavor combination. |
| 15:56.05 | elg | it's a side effect of the real death of dynamic range |
| 15:56.47 | elg | what we really need to worry about is that they use limiting/compressing to squish all the peaks and valleys so that everything is near 100% without clipping |
| 15:57.13 | levi | elg: That's what those articles were about. |
| 15:57.25 | levi | At least that's what I took home from them. |
| 15:57.26 | elg | it sounds mostly normal, but you're robbed of dynamic range. This is the real problem. the fact that some are stupid enough to clip instead of properly limiting is a side story |
| 15:57.39 | elg | no, he's only talking about clipping. |
| 15:58.05 | levi | I don't know which one you read, but he was definitely talking about dynamic range as well. |
| 15:58.07 | redman1 | levi: you know, i can't handle salami anymore. we always had it when i was growing up, and i think i got sick of it. |
| 15:58.10 | levi | He just emphasized the clipping. |
| 15:58.21 | elg | but look at the first example and the last one. if you didn't clip the last one, it still wouldn't look like the first one. that's limiting and compression |
| 15:58.40 | elg | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.41 | brac | [The Death Of Dynamic Range] |
| 15:58.53 | levi | Yeah, it's in the title there. |
| 15:58.58 | levi | "The Death of Dynamic Range" |
| 15:59.02 | tensai | anything from hickory farms makes me ill |
| 15:59.06 | elg | yeah, but all he talks about is clipping |
| 15:59.09 | sjansen | ~lart Verisign |
| 15:59.24 | elg | and says clipping comes from the tendency to raise the sound level |
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| 15:59.31 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
| 16:00.20 | elg | he's got the problem right, but seems to ignore compression and limiting as one of the major parts of it |
| 16:00.20 | levi | elg: Oh, that's an old article the guy whose site it is linked to as supporting evidence. |
| 16:00.48 | redman1 | tensai: i can handle some stuff from them, but i think i've turned into a snob these days. |
| 16:01.13 | levi | The salami was actually really good. It wasn't tough at all. |
| 16:01.48 | redman1 | levi: just the flavor. i think i just overdosed on it is all. |
| 16:02.06 | elg | did I miss a url then? i don't see another |
| 16:02.29 | levi | elg: http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm |
| 16:02.32 | brac | [What Happened To Dynamic Range] |
| 16:02.44 | tensai | ooh, someday I swear I'm going to smoke my own bacon |
| 16:03.02 | Jayce^ | tensai, scrap iron style? :-p |
| 16:03.16 | levi | This was another good one: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C |
| 16:03.23 | ^Migs^ | maddox's book is out: http://www.alphabetofmanliness.com/ |
| 16:03.24 | brac | [The Alphabet of Manliness] |
| 16:03.24 | tensai | speaking of which, did you see Iron Chef America w/ bacon as the ingredient. how can you go wrong with so much bacon. |
| 16:03.28 | redman1 | the problem is finding pork belly. it's just not a common grocery store item. |
| 16:03.34 | tensai | Jayce^: oh yeah |
| 16:03.58 | tensai | redman1: so I've noticed. they don't seem to carry fat back either. :( |
| 16:03.59 | Jayce^ | if redman1 ever get's around to making his still, we'll have real smoke fun :) |
| 16:04.39 | levi | elg: I mostly liked the link you saw first for the graphs, not the text. |
| 16:04.44 | redman1 | Jayce^: oh man. yeah, you know what the problem is? my landlord gets nervous every time i tell him i've got an idea for a project. |
| 16:05.05 | Jayce^ | I completely understand, my wife has the same reaction |
| 16:05.12 | redman1 | so footlocker smokers and stills make him nervous |
| 16:05.15 | Jayce^ | and a funny twitch when I get 'ideas' |
| 16:05.40 | elg | levi: that link is better. that's the rest of the story :) the prorec article is a good one too |
| 16:05.56 | tensai | my wife put up a valiant fight against the cardboard box smoker, but a $10 fire extinquisher saved the project |
| 16:06.16 | elg | me, I hope the riaa keeps limiting themselves into the ground. you'll notice that a lot of self-made music does not have this problem. |
| 16:06.30 | elg | load dilvie's song from the other day into a sound editor like audacity, for example |
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| 16:10.31 | redman1 | tensai: my wife doesn't have a problem with it, i think she trusts me a little more than the landlord. and i think he's more worried about junk piling up in the yard. |
| 16:11.29 | tensai | lucky for me, I own my house. maybe you should come over and smoke bacon. |
| 16:15.07 | levi | elg: Classical music still has dynamic range. :) |
| 16:15.20 | levi | Even on the radio. |
| 16:20.58 | redman1 | tensai: you know, i will be up in idaho falls in a couple of weeks... but i don't think we're be there for long enough to smoke bacon |
| 16:21.30 | Jayce^ | Supaplex, I guess I hadn't realized you were in #utah too :) |
| 16:21.39 | tensai | redman1: ah shoot, that's a good point. it does take a while. |
| 16:21.55 | Jayce^ | redman1, so do you a fork to smoke that, instead of a clip? :) |
| 16:22.07 | Supaplex | Jayce^: vs not here, or somewhere else to? |
| 16:22.22 | Jayce^ | Supaplex, vs #freeside |
| 16:22.31 | Supaplex | ohhh, cool. |
| 16:26.27 | redman1 | man. cooking school peer pressure. "hey man... you wanna smoke some bacon?" |
| 16:26.31 | redman1 | "everybody else is doing it." |
| 16:26.32 | redman1 | "you'll be popular." |
| 16:28.24 | flyboy^ | lol |
| 16:29.34 | levi | redman1: Smoke some pork loin. :) |
| 16:29.57 | levi | It was so weird eating that stuff. It looked like a big chunk of red, raw meat. |
| 16:30.35 | macnewbold | then someone gets a grease burn, and the fun all ends |
| 16:31.46 | redman1 | it's all fun and games until somebody gets a grease burn |
| 16:33.02 | sjansen | Heh. Ladies and gentleman, example.com is reserved for a reason. One of our instructors is teaching Apache virtual hosting right now. Whoever wrote the lab, used random-nonsense.com instead of example.com. When it was written, the domain didn't exist. It does now. |
| 16:33.34 | redman1 | man, wouldn't it be so much better to be one of those geeks, tho? if the "cool kids" tried to bully you, you'd have kitchen equipment to defend yourself |
| 16:33.40 | sjansen | (Go to the site and reload a few times. PWS [probably work safe]) |
| 16:36.46 | tensai | this is retarded! why use a function at all if you're just going to pass a host but pull the port out of a global variable? |
| 16:37.26 | tristanbob | Sun puts its weight behind Ubuntu Linux |
| 16:37.26 | tristanbob | http://www.itweek.co.uk/vnunet/news/2156209/sun-support-ubuntu-linux |
| 16:37.49 | tensai | what happened to the java desktop? |
| 16:38.15 | QBFreak | sjansen: one of the images isn't really work safe |
| 16:38.22 | sjansen | Just another day, another schizophrenic decision from Sun. |
| 16:38.25 | tristanbob | tensai: I think that died a while back - Wasn't that based on Suse |
| 16:38.54 | tristanbob | sjansen: now all they need to do is opensource java |
| 16:39.16 | levi | I thought Sun has been a Gnome supporter for a while. |
| 16:40.07 | sjansen | Sun is a Gnome supporter, they've donated some important tech to Gnome. Ubuntu's official desktop is Gnome. Kubuntu is a related but seperate project. |
| 16:40.14 | tensai | http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2156205/sun-promises-open-source-java |
| 16:40.54 | levi | Right. I'm saying it makes sense for them to go with Ubuntu over something like Suse, which is still biased towards KDE. |
| 16:40.54 | sjansen | So can anyone decipher: "The ideals of that community are relatively familiar to us." ? |
| 16:41.42 | sjansen | levi: No, it isn't. Novel is split. SUSE proper is still KDE, but NLD is Gnome and NLD is based on SUSE. |
| 16:42.37 | sjansen | My impression is that the Ximian developers are slowly taking over and that white KDE will continue to be important, Gnome will gradually get more emphasis. |
| 16:42.49 | levi | Okay, I'll take your word for it. I prefer Ubuntu anyway. |
| 16:43.35 | levi | There's a lot of use of Suse here, especially SLES. We're trying to standardize on it for our clusters, thanks to some deal with Novell. |
| 16:44.34 | levi | So, I've installed SLES a couple of times and played with it a bit. Not crazy about it. |
| 16:48.55 | tensai | sjansen: Novell hasn't had a clear strategy for years |
| 16:49.55 | elg | novell had a clear strategy? |
| 16:50.15 | sjansen | Once, a very long time ago. "Provide printers and files over a network." |
| 16:50.16 | Jayce^ | elg, early 80's maybe |
| 16:52.13 | ^Migs^ | is Novell still doing well, though? |
| 16:55.31 | tensai | note to self, () is not the same as [] in C |
| 16:57.37 | QBFreak | so much for getting anything done today |
| 16:57.52 | QBFreak | instead of going to work around 3 I now need to go in at 1:30 |
| 16:58.09 | QBFreak | which is half an hour, takes me 15 minutes t oget there and I need to find food |
| 17:06.27 | ^Migs^ | grab an apple or something |
| 17:06.29 | ^Migs^ | apples are very filling |
| 17:07.43 | sjansen | quit, spitting in your boss's face is very fulfilling (or so I hear) |
| 17:08.04 | Jayce^ | sjansen, should we forward that along to dax? |
| 17:08.40 | sjansen | *shrug* sure, why not? |
| 17:09.05 | sjansen | I have very few complaints about the management of Guru Labs... unlike certain previous employers. |
| 17:10.54 | levi | OK, I still haven't got any PLUG list email. Is it down? |
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| 17:11.42 | tensai | ~smack elg |
| 17:11.43 | ibot | ACTION smacks elg upside the head. |
| 17:26.43 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 17:30.38 | Robdor | that's cruel... |
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| 17:47.57 | elg | levi: heard of ragel? |
| 17:47.59 | elg | http://www.cs.queensu.ca/home/thurston/ragel/ |
| 17:48.00 | brac | [Ragel State Machine Compiler] |
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| 17:54.55 | sjansen | cool! |
| 17:55.47 | elg | yeah, looks really nifty |
| 17:57.05 | levi | elg: Haven't heard of it, I'll check it out. |
| 17:58.09 | emcnabb | http://www.weirdfortunecookies.com/ |
| 17:58.11 | brac | [Weird Fortune Cookie Collection] |
| 17:59.58 | elg | i think I might just write a gedcom parser or something with it to try itout |
| 18:00.03 | maquis | ~miss emcnabb |
| 18:00.06 | ibot | ACTION whips from his hip a six shooter and fires just to the right of emcnabb |
| 18:00.19 | tensai | ~hug debuggers |
| 18:00.20 | ibot | ACTION hugs debuggers |
| 18:00.26 | maquis | -lart tensai |
| 18:00.33 | tensai | mmm, veggies |
| 18:00.52 | levi | elg: That does look cool. |
| 18:04.13 | maquis | emcnabb: lol |
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| 18:07.04 | levi | So, I came across the contempt page via reddit or something: http://www.schnada.de/quotes/contempt.html |
| 18:07.18 | levi | It starts with a quote from a guy named Xah Lee, who I've come across on IRC and usenet. |
| 18:07.25 | levi | So, I went to his homepage. |
| 18:07.27 | levi | Yow. |
| 18:07.51 | levi | One bizarre guy. |
| 18:16.51 | redman1 | hey tensai, you still in here? |
| 18:17.08 | tensai | redman1: yup |
| 18:17.21 | redman1 | how big is idaho falls? |
| 18:17.26 | tensai | 50k |
| 18:17.51 | redman1 | 50k? |
| 18:17.57 | tensai | 50,000 people |
| 18:18.22 | redman1 | ah. i meant dimensions, actually |
| 18:19.07 | tensai | wikipedia says it's 17 square miles |
| 18:20.03 | redman1 | you want me to bring some melon soda with me when we're up there in a couple of weeks? |
| 18:20.30 | emcnabb | http://www.fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=15333&st=0&#entry432044 |
| 18:20.32 | tensai | you gotta be kidding me. I'll sell you my children for it. |
| 18:20.33 | brac | [FAIR Message Boards] |
| 18:20.53 | redman1 | i'll try and pick you up a case or two |
| 18:21.25 | redman1 | gonna need directions tho. you still have my email? |
| 18:21.29 | emcnabb | Daniel Peterson works for FARMS; he's a really funny guy |
| 18:21.43 | tensai | redman1: yeah |
| 18:22.17 | redman1 | tensai: cool, send me an address, directions, whatever you think will help |
| 18:22.51 | tensai | redman1: do you know when? |
| 18:27.37 | sjansen | http://xahlee.org/Periodic_dosage_dir/las_vegas/20031020_vegas.html |
| 18:27.38 | brac | [Xah: Las Vegas Travelog] |
| 18:28.08 | redman1 | tensai: we plan to leave early saturday morning, and i think we're planning on driving back on monday, but maybe on sunday. |
| 18:32.49 | redman1 | tensai: got it |
| 18:36.34 | sjansen | ~drool on redman1 |
| 18:36.35 | ibot | ACTION duct tapes redman1 to the floor and drools on him |
| 18:37.43 | redman1 | ~dog sjansen |
| 18:37.44 | ibot | ACTION stares at sjansen until sjansen whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 18:39.00 | sjansen | ~ridicule redman1's lack of creativity |
| 18:39.02 | ibot | ACTION drops redman1's lack of creativity in a tank of pink paint and herring |
| 18:39.42 | redman1 | ~hose sjansen |
| 18:39.44 | ibot | ACTION hooks into a hydrant and hoses sjansen down. |
| 18:40.53 | redman1 | sjansen: you still on the road? |
| 18:41.03 | sjansen | nope |
| 18:41.45 | redman1 | you're back in utah? |
| 18:42.34 | sjansen | yup |
| 18:42.35 | redman1 | well that's too bad^W^Wcool |
| 18:42.36 | tensai | poor Utah |
| 18:42.40 | ^Migs^ | nice to see Dan's still posting on FAIR |
| 18:42.50 | ^Migs^ | I haven't visited the FAIR boards in years |
| 18:43.01 | redman1 | tensai: and you wonder why we're going to idaho |
| 18:43.25 | sjansen | et tu redman1 |
| 18:43.54 | redman1 | sjansen: yeah, i'm kind of a hoser like that |
| 18:45.37 | sjansen | ~eat worms |
| 18:45.38 | ibot | ACTION eats worms and falls over dead |
| 18:46.04 | redman1 | "and when i found out that i didn't have worms anymore, that was the happiest day of my life." - ralph wiggums |
| 18:46.45 | redman1 | oh man. thanks for that sjansen. now i'm in simpsons mode. |
| 18:46.57 | redman1 | "me fail english? but that's unpossible!" |
| 18:47.30 | sjansen | "I sleep in a drawer." |
| 18:48.00 | tensai | "I bent my wookie" |
| 18:48.20 | tensai | "My cat's breath smells like cat food" |
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| 18:48.43 | tensai | ~whaleslap herlo |
| 18:48.45 | ibot | ACTION beats herlo upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 18:48.55 | herlo | ouch |
| 18:49.06 | herlo | ~stab tensai |
| 18:49.08 | ibot | ACTION runs at tensai with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 18:49.23 | herlo | ~pimpslap tensai |
| 18:49.25 | ibot | herlo pimpslaps tensai. ouch! |
| 18:49.28 | redman1 | "oh boy, sleep! that's where i'm a viking!" |
| 18:50.00 | tensai | "I choo choo choose you" |
| 18:50.11 | Jayce^ | "The Hero of Canton, the man they call... JAYNE..." |
| 18:50.28 | herlo | ooh, I love the Jayne episode |
| 18:50.49 | Jayce^ | harleypig just saw it for the first time |
| 18:51.04 | herlo | did you love it harleypig? |
| 18:51.17 | redman1 | ~lart harleypig |
| 18:51.18 | herlo | especially the statue, that's like the best |
| 18:51.28 | herlo | or maybe it is the best |
| 18:51.37 | sjansen | not, it's the bestest |
| 18:51.50 | Jayce^ | "wherever I go, his eyes follow me" |
| 18:52.02 | herlo | sjansen: the bestest everest |
| 18:52.03 | herlo | ? |
| 18:52.22 | herlo | ~pimpslap herlo |
| 18:52.23 | ibot | herlo pimpslaps herlo. ouch! |
| 18:52.29 | herlo | I deserved that |
| 18:52.38 | harleypig | I'm really impressed with the whole series. |
| 18:52.48 | herlo | Yeah, I can't believe it only went one season |
| 18:52.58 | herlo | I am sure glad they did the movie |
| 18:53.15 | harleypig | I can ... the suits don't seem to want anything truly original on their networks. |
| 18:53.15 | tristanbob | it is fun to run a beta version of a distro and experience all the changes it goes through |
| 18:53.29 | harleypig | tristanbob: like dapper? |
| 18:53.44 | tristanbob | harleypig: Exactly! And I'm not being sarcastic |
| 18:53.58 | tristanbob | I read all the changelogs, and watch the artwork slowly change |
| 18:54.04 | herlo | dapper? thats Ubuntu right? |
| 18:54.17 | tristanbob | notice neat little changes in the dialogues |
| 18:54.26 | harleypig | herlo: yeah |
| 18:54.35 | harleypig | tristanbob: yeah, I'm doing the same things. |
| 18:54.35 | tristanbob | the most recent change is the icon for "logging out" |
| 18:54.38 | herlo | I am looking forward to that one |
| 18:54.39 | harleypig | err ... thing. |
| 18:54.53 | tristanbob | harleypig: in the top right |
| 18:54.58 | harleypig | ? The little red power button? |
| 18:55.13 | tristanbob | didn't it use to be a circle arrow? |
| 18:55.18 | tristanbob | like, yesterday? |
| 18:55.27 | tristanbob | now it is a power button |
| 18:55.47 | harleypig | I've got a red square box, white circle with a mini 1 in the center |
| 18:56.04 | harleypig | it's been like that for me sine I started using kde however many years ago. |
| 18:56.28 | tristanbob | hmmmm... mine looks like a grey rocker-switch with a red circle |
| 18:56.43 | tristanbob | ahhh |
| 18:56.46 | harleypig | probably theme differences. |
| 18:56.49 | tristanbob | perhaps that is hte kde icon |
| 19:10.45 | goozbach | what alternitaves to cacti are there out there? (other than Big Brother) |
| 19:15.37 | sjansen | bermuda |
| 19:16.01 | goozbach | does it do rrdtool graphing? |
| 19:19.18 | goozbach | sjansen: url? |
| 19:20.12 | goozbach | googling for bermuda is less than intuitave |
| 19:20.12 | goozbach | ~bermuda |
| 19:20.16 | sjansen | goozbach: No URL. Just talk to a travel agent, get a visa, fly down, never come back. |
| 19:20.16 | sjansen | :-P |
| 19:21.03 | levi | sjansen: I hope you didn't follow all the links on Xah Lee's page. |
| 19:21.19 | levi | I think some of them would have scarred me for life. |
| 19:21.37 | sjansen | levi: nope, unlike some people I have real work to do ;-) |
| 19:21.42 | goozbach | hmm |
| 19:21.53 | goozbach | sjansen and 'REAL' work |
| 19:21.56 | goozbach | yeah right |
| 19:22.09 | tristanbob | Is this site broken? |
| 19:22.13 | tristanbob | http://sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:22.14 | brac | [SourceForge.net: Welcome to SourceForge.net] |
| 19:23.07 | tristanbob | goozbach: what don't you like about Cacti? |
| 19:33.18 | mheath | I get my laptop in a few minutes :) |
| 19:33.29 | tensai | if you get more than a few hundred nodes into Cacti it really starts to slow down. also, if you use any snmp 2 or 3 devices you'll get seriously degraded performance since php only supports v1 natively and cacti has to fork snmpget. |
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| 19:35.35 | ^Migs^ | OMG |
| 19:35.39 | ^Migs^ | my new computer got here |
| 19:36.36 | tristanbob | tensai: have you tried the cactid poller? |
| 19:37.26 | mheath | ^Migs^, I'm going to pick mine up in a few minutes :) |
| 19:37.38 | tristanbob | tensai: I have only used Cacti with around 2 dozen devices |
| 19:37.38 | levi | mheath: Couldn't prevail upon you to get a nice watch, eh? |
| 19:37.40 | ^Migs^ | this is a work computer :) |
| 19:37.46 | tensai | tristanbob: yes. it's vastly quicker, but still dog slow. |
| 19:37.46 | ^Migs^ | and they didn't skimp |
| 19:37.52 | mheath | ^Migs^, Mines a play computer :) |
| 19:37.55 | mheath | levi, Nope |
| 19:38.11 | goozbach | tristanbob: mysql |
| 19:38.19 | goozbach | it won't run for me |
| 19:38.30 | tristanbob | tensai: I am looking forward to Cacti 0.9 which will have a bulk import feature |
| 19:38.34 | tensai | tristanbob: cactid is faster by about 10x. Our polling runs last 2-3 minutes, IIRC. We had to split them between 2 servers. |
| 19:38.44 | tristanbob | tensai: and then I will see how it runs with 500+ devices |
| 19:39.00 | tensai | tristanbob: what's "bulk import" do? |
| 19:39.17 | tristanbob | tensai: basically adds devices to be monitored |
| 19:39.48 | tristanbob | tensai: don't know the details, but I assume it will require a CSV file or similar |
| 19:40.45 | tristanbob | goozbach: you don't like mysql, or it won't install correctly? |
| 19:41.47 | tristanbob | tensai: open source network management apps are one of my main interests |
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| 19:44.51 | goozbach | tristanbob: I LOATHE mysql |
| 19:45.27 | goozbach | and it WILL NOT RUN without ntpl support (which I don't have on my current server implementation) |
| 19:45.42 | tristanbob | goozbach: I see, that is not something easily fixed then ;) |
| 19:45.56 | goozbach | nope |
| 19:46.13 | goozbach | if it was suffer through running mysql... I'd suffer |
| 19:46.19 | goozbach | but I can't even suffer |
| 19:46.25 | goozbach | *phew* |
| 19:46.29 | mheath | hmm, I hope that laptop comes with system restore CDs |
| 19:46.42 | mheath | I want to install ubuntu on it, but I have some concerns about compatability |
| 19:46.44 | mheath | Want a backup |
| 19:47.22 | goozbach | hah: slashdot headline about this topic http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/17/1629227&from=rss |
| 19:47.24 | tristanbob | goozbach: I'm not sure what ntpl is - I installed Cacti on Ubuntu without seeing that mentioned |
| 19:48.52 | elg | nptl |
| 19:48.54 | elg | ~nptl |
| 19:48.56 | ibot | nptl is, like, Native Posix Threading Library, or http://ijuz.uugrn.org/nptl-0.56-0/ |
| 19:49.28 | tristanbob | thanks ibot - but that link is 404 |
| 19:49.29 | goozbach | tristanbob: native posix threading library, which should be isntalled by default |
| 19:49.44 | goozbach | basicly the threading system your kernel uses |
| 19:49.53 | tensai | nptl is a new thread system which supports many threads per process |
| 19:50.07 | mheath | goozbach, Not really. |
| 19:50.09 | goozbach | XEN ( the version I'm using anyway ) doesn't support it |
| 19:50.24 | mheath | goozbach, NPTL is a feature of GNU Libc mostly, I thought? |
| 19:50.25 | goozbach | </ gross oversimplification > |
| 19:50.37 | goozbach | mheath: I'm aware of that |
| 19:51.08 | goozbach | I'm just used to distilling things down (sometimes a little too far) |
| 19:56.35 | elg | ~distill goozbach |
| 19:57.25 | tensai | ooh, wow. 419 scam. haven't seen one of those for a while. |
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| 20:09.17 | ^Migs^ | I'm installing Red Hat on my new box |
| 20:11.58 | sjansen | ~congratulate ^Migs^ |
| 20:12.00 | ibot | ACTION congratulates ^Migs^ on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 20:12.13 | mrpull- | good one ibot! |
| 20:12.35 | mrpull- | ^Migs^ must have bought an RHEL AS license |
| 20:12.40 | mrpull- | BTW, that is only good for a year |
| 20:12.59 | mrpull- | (i really am a RH lover... really, i am) |
| 20:13.10 | ^Migs^ | nope |
| 20:13.38 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: Joking aside, which version of RH are you going with? |
| 20:13.48 | ^Migs^ | ws |
| 20:13.56 | ^Migs^ | oh, 4 |
| 20:13.59 | mrpull- | get the EDU discount? |
| 20:14.14 | ^Migs^ | I don't know. I was just given the CDs. |
| 20:14.31 | ^Migs^ | it's the only distro, apart from Suse 9, supported by BEA |
| 20:15.05 | ^Migs^ | that's our dev environment. Kind of limits our options, otherwise I'd go with a Debian distro |
| 20:15.38 | ^Migs^ | I'm still a Lin00b, but I'm fond of Debian |
| 20:19.42 | levi | Debian is a good distro to be fond of. |
| 20:21.29 | mrpull- | RH is good for support. Debian (and derivatives) are good for everything else :) |
| 20:24.46 | sjansen | Assuming Debian is fond of you. |
| 20:25.00 | mrpull- | debian and I are good friends |
| 20:25.21 | mrpull- | sjansen: is unbuntu no longer your darling? |
| 20:27.00 | mrpull- | s/unbuntu/ubuntu/ |
| 20:27.13 | mrpull- | (how'd that extra n sneak in there?) |
| 20:27.15 | sjansen | Ubuntu likes me. Debian doesn't. |
| 20:28.03 | mrpull- | ahhh... RHEL likes me, FC does not. I feel your pain. |
| 20:32.51 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: switch BEA weblogic for JBOSS |
| 20:32.53 | tristanbob | :) |
| 20:34.33 | ^Migs^ | uh |
| 20:34.34 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 20:34.40 | ^Migs^ | invested too much time in it |
| 20:35.09 | tristanbob | same here at WSU - plus it is not supported by WebCT |
| 20:36.42 | ^Migs^ | what kind of stuff do you do at WSU? |
| 20:36.57 | ^Migs^ | I saw a development position at WSU in the classifieds in Sunday's Standard Examiner |
| 20:37.02 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 20:37.30 | ^Migs^ | I need to find a job where I can just settle down and spend the rest of my career |
| 20:37.50 | harleypig | ^Migs^: You're 40 years to late for that. |
| 20:37.51 | ^Migs^ | that at LEAST pays the average going rate for a developer |
| 20:38.09 | ^Migs^ | harleypig: Well, that's what I tell job interviewers anyway |
| 20:38.14 | harleypig | ^Migs^: what kind of programming? |
| 20:38.20 | ^Migs^ | web-based |
| 20:38.34 | ^Migs^ | Java, PHP, everything associated with those... |
| 20:38.40 | Jayce^ | harleypig, so why didn't you do it 40 years ago when you were starting your career? |
| 20:39.05 | harleypig | -lart Jayce^ |
| 20:39.10 | harleypig | HAH! |
| 20:39.25 | Jayce^ | ~dog harleypig |
| 20:39.28 | ibot | ACTION stares at harleypig until harleypig whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 20:39.55 | harleypig | ^Migs^: Well, if you know perl well enough you can apply here, we're hiring (just use my name as a reference). |
| 20:40.08 | harleypig | I get a sign on bonus if you stay for 90 days |
| 20:40.09 | Jayce^ | no no, harleypig, no reference for you.. |
| 20:40.11 | ^Migs^ | where's "here"? |
| 20:40.17 | harleypig | United Online. |
| 20:40.23 | harleypig | ~dog Jayce^ |
| 20:40.25 | ibot | ACTION stares at Jayce^ until Jayce^ whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 20:40.38 | ^Migs^ | I kind of wished I'd moved to the Salt Lake and/or Provo area(s) last year. |
| 20:40.47 | harleypig | oh. where you at? |
| 20:40.54 | ^Migs^ | Ogden doesn't have much in the way of CS jobs |
| 20:41.03 | ^Migs^ | although to some extent, that's also great for entrepeneurs |
| 20:41.42 | elg | -lart fedex |
| 20:41.43 | ^Migs^ | people are constantly contacting me for web work, and I've barely even made any effort |
| 20:41.55 | ^Migs^ | local people, I mean |
| 20:42.11 | elg | there's a web in ogden? |
| 20:42.52 | ^Migs^ | zing |
| 20:45.30 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: I work on the Cisco network. WSU is a great place to work - many perks make up for the salary |
| 20:45.40 | mheath | I don't attend. Mainly because I don't have the time. |
| 20:46.02 | mheath | Jeez |
| 20:46.11 | atoponce | c'mon mheath, you're not that busy yet ;) |
| 20:46.20 | mheath | the salesman at circuit city tried to sell me a $250 warranty on a $550 laptop |
| 20:47.19 | atoponce | i wonder who else is in the channel that lives in ogden and not attending the meetings |
| 20:47.33 | atoponce | we could probably quadruple our attendance |
| 20:47.35 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:47.37 | ^Migs^ | http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/17/unmarried.ap/index.html |
| 20:47.39 | brac | [CNN.com - Town won't let unmarried parents live together - May 17, 2006] |
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| 20:49.20 | tristanbob | atoponce: sadly, that is true |
| 20:49.40 | atoponce | tristanbob: of course, i doubt anyone will fess up ;) |
| 20:51.02 | ^Migs^ | I don't attend because I'm not much of a Linux user |
| 20:51.25 | ^Migs^ | and I think anyone who has to meet a group about it is kind of weird |
| 20:51.34 | mheath | ^Migs^, Blashpemy! |
| 20:51.50 | mheath | mmmm |
| 20:52.04 | OALUG_recuiter | i'm not as weird as most. i shower at least once a week! :) |
| 20:52.05 | elg | ^Migs^: that's ok. there's a lot of people that would think you're wierd for using IRC |
| 20:52.09 | ^Migs^ | I can't even get RHEL to install on my new machine. The keyboard doesn't work. |
| 20:52.26 | ^Migs^ | and I would return the favor, finding some other unrelated reason to think they're even weirder than I |
| 20:52.26 | mheath | 15.4" widescreen goodness :) |
| 20:52.33 | elg | there's a reason for the last three letters there |
| 20:52.52 | ^Migs^ | heh |
| 20:53.03 | tristanbob | my wife joked that she will attend the next OALUG meeting and talk about her favorite apps - Internet Explorer, Microsoft Office, etc. |
| 20:53.35 | OALUG_recuiter | hmmm. i don't think that will work, unless she shows them off in wine |
| 20:53.40 | ^Migs^ | I imagine there's always an anti-Microsoft joke or two at each meeting |
| 20:54.07 | ^Migs^ | and plenty of geek jokes |
| 20:54.08 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: no, it is just an ever present shared truth |
| 20:54.17 | tristanbob | :) |
| 20:54.36 | mheath | Rats |
| 20:54.41 | mheath | they don't include the Windows XP disk |
| 20:54.43 | OALUG_recuiter | we did watch revolution os once |
| 20:54.48 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: doesn't it sound like fun? And you already know 75% of the club |
| 20:54.50 | elg | there's rats in your laptop? |
| 20:54.58 | OALUG_recuiter | on a windows xp machine |
| 20:55.13 | OALUG_recuiter | (no one had the dvd codecs installed) |
| 20:55.22 | tristanbob | OALUG_recuiter: isn't it ironic |
| 20:55.23 | mheath | I'm going to install Linux, anyway, but I'm concered about compatability =\ |
| 20:55.37 | tristanbob | mheath: with what? |
| 20:55.40 | mheath | They have a tool to create system recovery disks |
| 20:55.43 | mheath | tristanbob, my new laptop |
| 20:56.04 | elg | mheath: why not just use a repartitioner if you're going to dual boot |
| 20:56.14 | elg | if it doesn't work you at least have the rescue disks and no data |
| 20:56.22 | tristanbob | mheath: compatibility concerns with what? hardware, software? |
| 20:56.31 | mheath | tristanbob, hardware. Its a compaq laptop. |
| 20:57.25 | mheath | they don't include restore disks anymore |
| 20:57.26 | tristanbob | mheath: that's why there is a live-cd, so you can test it |
| 20:57.28 | OALUG_recuiter | mheath: tried ubuntu? |
| 20:57.37 | mheath | they say you can "restore directly off the hard disk" which I assume requires the WinXP disks |
| 20:57.43 | mheath | erm |
| 20:57.51 | mheath | which I assume requires Windows XP to be installed, that is |
| 20:58.29 | elg | restore directly off that hard disk... that doesn't sound like much of a restore |
| 20:58.48 | mheath | elg, I assume they have a copy of the entire system zipped up somewhere |
| 20:58.54 | mheath | Which, one, is an incredible waste of the HDD |
| 20:59.13 | mheath | and, two, makes it worthless if because of the error requiring a recovery, you can't get into windows |
| 20:59.23 | sjansen | ^Migs^: If you're not a Linux guru, that's all the more reason to attend LUG meetings. |
| 20:59.51 | mheath | mmm, widescreen |
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| 21:00.01 | mheath | OK, I'm too distracted. Time to make my phone calls. |
| 21:00.36 | elg | not to mention a hard disk failure |
| 21:01.35 | ^Migs^ | what happens at the average meeting? |
| 21:01.38 | ^Migs^ | how long are they? |
| 21:01.45 | lars-ut | redman1: I just ate 2 hobknobs & a Bakewell's tart - you are awesome! |
| 21:02.02 | goozbach | ^Migs^: |
| 21:02.35 | goozbach | er ^Migs^ don't go to a LUG meeting which sjansen is presenting at. that's rule number one |
| 21:02.53 | sjansen | ~ignore goozbach |
| 21:02.54 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, goozbach!" |
| 21:03.18 | ^Migs^ | are there refreshments? |
| 21:03.26 | goozbach | don't go to a lug meeting I'm presenting at if sjansen is present. rule #2 |
| 21:03.52 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Sure. As long as you agree to bring them. ;-) |
| 21:03.55 | lars-ut | ~redman1 |
| 21:03.56 | ibot | i guess redman1 is a courier of London's finest goods across the Atlantic |
| 21:04.33 | sjansen | Most Linux geeks are too cheap to pay dues, and too independent to go beg^?^?^?request vendors to sponsor their meetings. |
| 21:04.53 | ^Migs^ | wtf? you have to pay for LUG? |
| 21:05.00 | ^Migs^ | AND there's no food? |
| 21:05.07 | tristanbob | only for thinking about them... so pay up |
| 21:05.09 | sjansen | No, you don't. And that's why you don't get refreshments. |
| 21:05.41 | tristanbob | we sometimes bring refreshments, it is a good way to pull in the undecided |
| 21:05.42 | tristanbob | ;) |
| 21:05.53 | ^Migs^ | my original questions weren't even answered. What goes on, and how long are the meetings? |
| 21:06.04 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: you could just trim off a bit of beard and donate to a LUG "in-kind" |
| 21:06.31 | sjansen | ^Migs^: I've never been to OALUG, so I can't answer. |
| 21:07.02 | ^Migs^ | I don't even know where OALUG meets |
| 21:07.06 | elg | ^Migs^: usually people get together, chat until someone bothers to start the meeting, and then a chosen present presents something instructional and cool, then people hang out or leave as they will |
| 21:07.13 | elg | sometimes there's swag |
| 21:07.16 | elg | sometimes there's food |
| 21:07.20 | elg | sometimes there's sjansen |
| 21:07.28 | sjansen | and there is much rejoicing |
| 21:07.44 | elg | sometimes there's beard ranking |
| 21:08.25 | ^Migs^ | something instructional and cool? Like what? Give me an example. |
| 21:08.42 | sjansen | Setting up a VoIP server using Asterisk. |
| 21:08.48 | ^Migs^ | oh okay, that's cool |
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| 21:08.55 | ^Migs^ | are there computers all around for testing stuff? |
| 21:08.59 | elg | http://hans.fugal.net/vim/youmightbe.sxi |
| 21:09.01 | sjansen | Building a custom publishing framework with ConTeXt. |
| 21:09.02 | tristanbob | ^Migs^: our next meeting includes people talking about their favorite applications - great way to learn about some cool stuff |
| 21:09.16 | elg | that's a reportedly cool presentation I sometimes give |
| 21:09.17 | sjansen | Doing boring and useless things with Perl. |
| 21:09.26 | elg | that's a perennial favorite |
| 21:09.33 | OALUG_recuiter | ^Migs^: oalug meets on the last saturday of every month at the main wsu campus and the second tues of every month at the davis WSU campus |
| 21:09.35 | elg | kernel stuff |
| 21:09.48 | elg | basically, anything someone's willing to talk about |
| 21:09.56 | OALUG_recuiter | the sat meetings are at 9am and the tues meetings at 7:30pm |
| 21:10.09 | OALUG_recuiter | they are between and hour to two and sometimes more |
| 21:10.10 | lars-ut | http://www.oalug.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=1 |
| 21:10.13 | ^Migs^ | wtf, 9am? |
| 21:10.17 | OALUG_recuiter | we present on anything and everything under the sun |
| 21:10.20 | elg | i haven't seen this in utah, except for the ruby group, but a lot of LUGs get together to hack on open source projects |
| 21:10.20 | sjansen | redman1: Has given a presentation on cooking from a geek perspective.... That one had refreshments. |
| 21:10.21 | ^Migs^ | screw that |
| 21:10.47 | OALUG_recuiter | still counting sheep at 9am, eh? |
| 21:10.56 | ^Migs^ | no, that's about the time I get to bed |
| 21:10.59 | levi | elg: The Ruby group here does that? |
| 21:11.07 | elg | yeah, they do |
| 21:11.23 | OALUG_recuiter | of course, the meetings are free, and refreshments are usually there. |
| 21:11.29 | ^Migs^ | someone should start a WUG and MUG to compete with LUG |
| 21:11.35 | elg | in fact at least a couple get together just about every week at lunch or something to hack |
| 21:11.36 | OALUG_recuiter | we have novell as a sponsor and working on other coporations |
| 21:11.49 | ^Migs^ | can i bring the family? |
| 21:11.58 | elg | if they promise to throw tomatoes |
| 21:12.08 | ^Migs^ | are the meetings kid-friendly? |
| 21:12.12 | OALUG_recuiter | sure |
| 21:12.18 | ^Migs^ | are there lots of kids there? |
| 21:12.21 | OALUG_recuiter | no |
| 21:12.23 | ^Migs^ | free day care? |
| 21:12.30 | OALUG_recuiter | uh... |
| 21:12.32 | elg | that depends on how many kids you have and how old they are |
| 21:12.58 | sjansen | BYU does have a MUG. |
| 21:13.03 | ^Migs^ | so it's NOT kid-friendly |
| 21:13.11 | levi | There was a little baby at the last PLUG meeting I went to. |
| 21:13.17 | sjansen | Plug created a WAA (windows admins anonymous) group. |
| 21:13.38 | elg | what does kid friendly mean? |
| 21:13.39 | OALUG_recuiter | i don't care if kids are there. i don't think others do either |
| 21:13.44 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Only if you're willing to take responsibility for your own kids. |
| 21:13.50 | ^Migs^ | it means I can bring my kids and let them raise hell |
| 21:13.51 | levi | You can bring your kids, but you have to watch them. :) |
| 21:13.58 | elg | will they attack your kids and eat them? no. will they give you glaring looks for bringing the kids? probably not in Utah |
| 21:14.09 | elg | will the kids enjoy it? that's up to them |
| 21:14.20 | sjansen | Will they make you replace any hardware eaten by your children? Yes. |
| 21:14.21 | ^Migs^ | well, if there's not other kids there, that's boring for them |
| 21:14.26 | OALUG_recuiter | ^Migs^: tell you what. if your kids can hack, bring 'em by. :) |
| 21:14.31 | ^Migs^ | are there any hot chicks at these meetings? |
| 21:14.38 | sjansen | hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 21:14.41 | sjansen | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 21:14.49 | sjansen | hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 21:14.52 | ^Migs^ | is there ever "bikini night"? |
| 21:14.55 | elg | ~fish sjansen |
| 21:14.57 | ibot | ACTION slaps sjansen around with a large trout |
| 21:14.58 | OALUG_recuiter | hot chicks at geeks meetings!?! |
| 21:14.59 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 21:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Aren't you married? |
| 21:15.04 | OALUG_recuiter | of course!!!! |
| 21:15.06 | elg | ^Migs^: I skip out on bikini night |
| 21:15.13 | elg | but harleypig goes |
| 21:15.15 | sjansen | ^Migs^: harleypig has threatend one, but not yet |
| 21:15.20 | ^Migs^ | yeah, but I'm just asking |
| 21:15.26 | ScytheBlade1 | "just asking" |
| 21:15.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I was "just asking" the guy on the corner for some drugs |
| 21:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | "just asking" |
| 21:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 21:15.44 | ^Migs^ | I want to know if my wife, who happens to be a hot chick, would feel comfortable at them |
| 21:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah okay |
| 21:15.54 | OALUG_recuiter | can she hack? |
| 21:15.55 | elg | gotta go to the lug tonight honey, it's bikini night. What? no no, bikini is an open source project |
| 21:15.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That's better |
| 21:15.58 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 21:16.01 | sjansen | Wives occasionally come. They rarely return. |
| 21:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ elg |
| 21:16.04 | OALUG_recuiter | probably not then |
| 21:16.07 | OALUG_recuiter | :) |
| 21:16.30 | elg | that depends on if she requires the company of other hot chicks to feel comfortable |
| 21:16.34 | OALUG_recuiter | you really put a lot of stipulations on a lug, don't you? |
| 21:16.35 | ^Migs^ | wait, what's wrong with asking if there's hot chicks at LUG anyway? It's a valid question for a curious inquirer. |
| 21:16.40 | tensai | ~lart maquis |
| 21:16.52 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 21:16.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Asking if girls attend is one thing. Asking if hot chicks attend, being a married male, is another ;) |
| 21:17.01 | elg | I've seen the occasional hot chick. they're just not as common |
| 21:17.02 | ^Migs^ | no, I think she prefers being the alpha female in the looks department |
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| 21:17.16 | elg | then she should fit right in |
| 21:17.23 | mrpull- | elg: where are you seeing hot chicks at LUGs? |
| 21:17.50 | elg | it happens |
| 21:17.58 | OALUG_recuiter | bsd groups have hot chicks |
| 21:17.58 | sjansen | Plug has had a handful show up over the course of years of meetings. |
| 21:18.03 | OALUG_recuiter | http://aab.pri.ee/jutt/125/ |
| 21:18.20 | ^Migs^ | there's also nothing with preferring to be around good-looking people, male or female. |
| 21:18.29 | ^Migs^ | s/nothing/nothing wrong/ |
| 21:19.20 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Unless you're into beards, that's not extremely like at a LUG meeting. Male or female. |
| 21:19.21 | ^Migs^ | even though I'm a big ugly fat guy |
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| 21:21.03 | sjansen | herlo: get back to work! |
| 21:21.19 | herlo | I am!! |
| 21:21.30 | herlo | I am listening to lamont talk about wu-ftpd |
| 21:21.38 | herlo | ~smack sjansen |
| 21:21.40 | ibot | ACTION smacks sjansen upside the head. |
| 21:21.48 | sjansen | No you're not, you're chatting on IRC. |
| 21:22.00 | herlo | multitasking, multitasking.... |
| 21:22.08 | Jayce^ | wow, if *I* was listening to lamont, I'd try and escape too |
| 21:22.28 | herlo | sjansen: my ears and hands work independently |
| 21:22.59 | sjansen | ~slap herlo |
| 21:23.00 | ibot | ACTION slaps herlo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:23.00 | herlo | but can work together...if need be |
| 21:23.08 | herlo | ~bake sjansen |
| 21:23.10 | ibot | I think you mean ~cook herlo, spr. |
| 21:23.18 | herlo | ~cook sjansen |
| 21:23.20 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 21:23.20 | atoponce | Jayce^: june 9th, eh? good day! |
| 21:23.34 | Jayce^ | atoponce, yup |
| 21:23.41 | Jayce^ | you a bicentennial? |
| 21:24.00 | atoponce | nope. |
| 21:24.17 | atoponce | 77 |
| 21:24.41 | atoponce | bicentinneal -= 1; |
| 21:24.59 | Jayce^ | or += (perspective) |
| 21:25.02 | herlo | eh hem |
| 21:25.06 | herlo | bicentennial |
| 21:25.21 | atoponce | yeah. what herlo said |
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| 21:48.32 | mheath | Now it's time to clear all the junk off this laptop |
| 21:48.47 | mheath | I decided against creating the recovory disks |
| 21:48.49 | mheath | it wanted 15 CDs |
| 21:49.25 | nick125 | mmm... |
| 21:49.28 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:49.32 | nick125 | 15 CDs? wow |
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| 21:50.35 | Migs | aw crap |
| 21:50.52 | Migs | I forgot to tell my wife I locked my keys in the car this morning so she could come and unlock it, and now she's gone and it seems her cell phone is off |
| 21:51.02 | nick125 | ouch... |
| 21:52.02 | mheath | It just wanted to do a file-by-file copy to CD |
| 21:52.14 | mheath | not nice, when you have Windows XP, Microsoft Office, Norton Anti-Virus, etc. |
| 21:52.47 | tensai | mheath: still, that's a whole lot of crap. XP and Office don't take up *that* much space. |
| 21:53.08 | nick125 | thats 10.5GB.. |
| 21:54.26 | nick125 | okay, quick question: who here would play bzflag in a competition for a money prize? |
| 21:54.37 | nick125 | (there would be a entrance fee of like $15 though) |
| 21:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Depends. |
| 21:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 21:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Then no ;) |
| 21:54.48 | mheath | jeez |
| 21:55.02 | nick125 | I haven't organized the details but.. |
| 21:55.06 | mheath | BTW, when we recruited people for our ROTC-like group at that Scout-o-Rama.... |
| 21:55.09 | mheath | amazingly successful |
| 21:55.20 | nick125 | it would be around $200-$500 prize |
| 21:55.21 | mheath | we have triple our normal numbers coming to our next drill |
| 21:56.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Lemme say this |
| 21:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd love the chance to play for money |
| 21:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | But I know I'm not going to win |
| 21:56.21 | ScytheBlade1 | And I have $0 |
| 21:56.44 | levi | Jayce^: Heh, I haven't heard people referred to as bicentennial in a while. |
| 21:57.27 | levi | ScytheBlade1: So, you're saying you like throwing away money? |
| 21:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, no, I'm saying that even if I had money |
| 21:57.53 | ScytheBlade1 | levi, I wouldn't have a shot, so I wouldn't bother |
| 21:57.58 | Migs | I think we should all just take turns giving each other $500 |
| 21:58.08 | Migs | and trust that each person will participate |
| 21:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | sounds good |
| 21:58.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I have nothing to lose ;) |
| 21:58.30 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:58.35 | Migs | wasn't there some psychological experiment like that in the 1950s? |
| 22:00.57 | goozbach | I'll go first as the recipient |
| 22:01.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Cool |
| 22:07.43 | mheath | wow, I'm halfway done and I've already cleared off like 4 gigs |
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| 22:29.22 | mheath | Wow, the "Made for Microsoft Windows XP" label didn't come off vary easily |
| 22:29.25 | mheath | How ironic =P |
| 22:30.02 | elg | i think you should use dd |
| 22:31.08 | sjansen | for I in hda hdb hdc hdd sda sdb sdc; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/$I bs=1M; done |
| 22:32.21 | nick125 | mheath: haha |
| 22:32.29 | nick125 | mheath: it took a while to get it off my laptop too.. |
| 22:32.39 | jsmith | elg: Yeah, me too -- that way you can send me that file you've been telling me about |
| 22:33.07 | mheath | Wow, this is a neat surprise |
| 22:33.38 | mheath | Apparently, when they tell you that it has a 40GB HDD, thats not counting the 8.4GB of cruft it has preinstalled |
| 22:33.45 | mheath | So its actually close to a 50GB HDD |
| 22:34.41 | nick125 | nice.. |
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| 22:36.10 | [Utah]tristanbob | anyone know of a linux-friendly usb-serial adapter? |
| 22:36.14 | elg | ~nm [Utah]tristanbob |
| 22:37.15 | [Utah]tristanbob | elg: ? |
| 22:37.18 | elg | jsmith: my insanity seems to be worse today. today I contemplated writing my own sip proxy |
| 22:37.26 | elg | finding ragel didn't help |
| 22:38.58 | jsmith | elg: Oh yeah? |
| 22:39.02 | jsmith | elg: What's ragel? |
| 22:40.01 | elg | http://www.cs.queensu.ca/~thurston/ragel/ |
| 22:40.02 | brac | [Ragel State Machine Compiler] |
| 22:40.25 | tensai | [Utah]tristanbob: they're pretty well supported as there aren't that many usb-serial chipset. I've only ever used one and it worked. |
| 22:40.47 | elg | i read an interview by the dude that wrote mongrel (a up and coming high-performance ruby httpd daemon) and he said he used ragel to make his parser |
| 22:41.01 | tensai | [Utah]tristanbob: it wasn't a commercially available adapter though, so I can't recommend any :( |
| 22:41.22 | [Utah]tristanbob | tensai: thanks - also, what app do you use? minicom? |
| 22:42.19 | tensai | [Utah]tristanbob: yeah. the device is /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 22:42.25 | tensai | et. al. |
| 22:43.01 | mrpull- | does 5.2 pounds seem like a lot for the macbooks? |
| 22:43.47 | levi | I don't think so. |
| 22:44.16 | mrpull- | my 12" compaq weighs in at 4 lbs (but I guess it doesn't have an optical drive) |
| 22:44.26 | levi | I believe it's comparable to the 12" iBook weight, and the MacBook is 13" but thinner. |
| 22:45.14 | mrpull- | the extra pixels from the wide screen would be nice. |
| 22:45.23 | levi | Yeah. |
| 22:45.34 | mrpull- | i have an eternal struggle of loving the 12", but hating the 1024x768 res |
| 22:45.55 | levi | Yeah. I really don't like huge laptops. |
| 22:46.03 | levi | But pixels are nice to have. |
| 22:46.24 | levi | I've adjusted to 1024x768 fairly well on my iBook, but it's tight. |
| 22:46.47 | tensai | 1024x768 would be better than my pathetic 800x600 |
| 22:48.33 | levi | My other laptop is 1024x600, but I barely ever use that anymore. |
| 22:49.05 | levi | tensai: That is pathetic. Here's a quarter; go buy yourself a real laptop. ;) |
| 22:49.45 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:53.35 | elg | i survive with 1024x768. 1280x1024 would be nice but I wouldn't want anything bigger than that |
| 22:53.43 | elg | or smaller, as the case may be :) |
| 23:04.32 | goozbach | http://stuffsucks.com/shop.php |
| 23:04.33 | brac | [STUFF SUCKS SHOP -- COMICS ON REAL PAPER WHICH YOU CAN TOUCH AND HOLD] |
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| 23:12.47 | emcnabb | moving my computer museum is not fun |
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| 23:22.06 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
| 23:24.01 | Supaplex | thank $diety I reset it in my own .bash_profile. :) |
| 23:24.25 | Supaplex | along with $EDITOR, emacs=vim, vi=vim, jade=vim, joe=vim and a slew of others hehe |
| 23:30.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm offended! That should have been $Diety! |
| 23:34.02 | elg | ~offend ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:46.49 | levi | ScytheBlade1: What's diet have to do with anything? |
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