| 00:12.46 | levi | What's up with PLUG? It's been silent for days. |
| 00:13.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Finals? |
| 00:31.46 | elg | levi: there was a disk usage issue over the weekend, but it's been dealt with since sometime saturday |
| 00:35.57 | levi | Hmm. |
| 00:35.59 | levi | Oh well. |
| 00:39.52 | xbmodder_lappy | I love skype |
| 00:39.55 | xbmodder_lappy | for once |
| 00:39.59 | xbmodder_lappy | they did something smart |
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| 00:53.02 | maquis | -lart cs sysadmins for blaming a problem on OIT when other departments don't have any of the issues |
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| 00:55.09 | maquis | if someone could help us out, it'd be appreciated... the cs dept broke the internet, so we can't google the answer... |
| 00:55.24 | maquis | we want to indent a block of code in vim, and can't remember the command |
| 00:56.48 | maquis | ~brac |
| 00:56.49 | ibot | it has been said that brac is the enemy |
| 00:56.53 | maquis | -ibot? |
| 00:56.53 | brac | ibot is the enemy |
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| 01:02.33 | maquis | ~ping elg |
| 01:02.35 | ibot | pong elg |
| 01:02.40 | maquis | elg: ping? |
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| 02:29.48 | xbmodder_lappy | utf-8 is good.... |
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| 02:37.11 | nick125 | mmmm |
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| 03:13.20 | QBFreak | ~lart qb |
| 03:13.44 | QBFreak | bah, no aliases here, I can't keep my protocols straight |
| 03:13.49 | QBFreak | ~lart ibot |
| 03:15.50 | elg | maquis: pong? |
| 03:18.50 | goozbach | four short hours away |
| 03:19.08 | goozbach | from level 60 on idlerpg |
| 03:19.24 | elg | ~dos goozbach |
| 03:19.26 | ibot | Opening the icmp floodgates:\n for i in `seq 0 1024`; do echo "Pinging goozbach"; ping -s goozbach"; done |
| 03:21.28 | goozbach | I'd like to thank erikrj for the bandwith and the shell account, the PDP Center for hosting freenode, and most of all my leet 1|_|R|<!nG skills. |
| 03:22.01 | goozbach | and ohh... I can't forget my lack of a life. |
| 03:22.15 | goozbach | for those 14months or so that I had no life... |
| 03:22.20 | goozbach | thanks to that too |
| 03:22.31 | elg | don't forget to thank sjansen |
| 03:25.47 | levi | This stupid thing seems to be more sensitive in the negative range than the positive. |
| 03:30.37 | goozbach | oh yeah and sjansen. |
| 03:30.44 | goozbach | wait!!! |
| 03:30.55 | goozbach | why am I thanking sjansen? |
| 03:31.10 | goozbach | isn't being my lackey thanks enough? |
| 03:33.31 | QBFreak | levi: more duct tape! |
| 03:33.31 | levi | QBFreak: I've been duct taping the darned thing for days now! |
| 03:33.31 | QBFreak | oo, my USB to TTL parallel thingy came in today |
| 03:33.38 | QBFreak | have you been using Duck brand? |
| 03:33.46 | levi | I wish you better luck with your electronic goodies than I've been having with mine. |
| 03:33.52 | QBFreak | heh thanks |
| 03:34.14 | QBFreak | I'm going to send it on to someone who knows a little more about it :) |
| 03:43.09 | levi | I need to hook this darned thing up to a scope to see what it's really doing. I don't trust this ADC board anymore. |
| 03:43.28 | QBFreak | my friend had some serious issues with his ADC, I forget why |
| 03:44.12 | QBFreak | I think it may have been scaling sctrangly too |
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| 03:56.50 | QBFreak | no infos to be had, sorry |
| 03:56.59 | QBFreak | his issue was an op amp not an ADC |
| 04:02.17 | QBFreak | levi: [00:01] inversetan: i do recal having to shift the input in order to account for bias in the adc |
| 04:03.17 | mheath | Back in Ubuntu again :) |
| 04:03.56 | levi | QBFreak: The graphs of my sensor output and integrals of it are: http://lifeoflevi.com/graph-ddx.pdf , graph-dx.pdf , and graph-x.pdf |
| 04:03.56 | QBFreak | levi: I have a couple more comments too but I don't wantto spam the channel, PM if you want them |
| 04:07.34 | levi | The x axis in those is milliseconds, the y varies between m/s^2, m/s, and m |
| 04:08.09 | levi | The graphs represent the values from the accelerometer as I lifted it and set it back down where it was. |
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| 04:14.05 | xbmodder_lappy | what is the purpose of this? |
| 04:14.16 | QBFreak | [00:13] inversetan: is he expecting the positive and negative peaks to be the same magnitude? |
| 04:15.38 | levi | I'm expecting, in the dx chart, for the velocity to return to 0. |
| 04:15.54 | levi | And for the position to return to 0 in the x chart. |
| 04:16.18 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: What is the purpose of xbmodder_lappy? |
| 04:16.52 | nick125 | levi: he might have to return /dev/null on that |
| 04:21.59 | xbmodder_lappy | all accelerometer experiments |
| 04:22.54 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: Your purpose is all accelerometer experiments? How odd. |
| 04:26.15 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 04:26.17 | xbmodder_lappy | /dev/null |
| 04:32.27 | levi | Weird, the Linspire/Freespire Core OS Team has standardized on Haskell for their programming. |
| 04:33.45 | nick125 | lol |
| 04:34.03 | nick125 | where do you see that? |
| 04:38.37 | xbmodder_lappy | whats is this: prawdopodobny termin kolejnych |
| 04:38.46 | xbmodder_lappy | or this: prawdopodobny termin kolejnych wyk³adów - 1.06 || tak, ale zainteresuj siê bochs i qemu. Vmware te¿ ok. |
| 04:40.43 | nick125 | mmm.. |
| 04:46.20 | maquis | elg: just had a vim question... still not completely resolved.. |
| 04:48.12 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, why didn't you all laser flag and start playing again |
| 05:28.29 | bertbob | I know someone here is a TeX or maybe LaTeX expert. well, I was getting errors about font metrics file not being found, LaTeX errors from LyX |
| 05:28.59 | bertbob | just now I stumbled on the allec and allcm programgs, and ran them, and all is well again |
| 05:30.03 | bertbob | it seems like debian would run them when they installed latex... |
| 05:30.12 | bertbob | but apparently it didn't |
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| 06:08.45 | QBFreak | I bought an MS mouse the other day... |
| 06:09.01 | QBFreak | I needed a cheap USB mouse that wasn't too crappy |
| 06:09.15 | QBFreak | I actually kinda like it |
| 06:09.23 | QBFreak | quick, somebody slap some sense into me |
| 06:09.31 | levi | Heh, this is excellent: http://www.coyotos.com/docs/misc/linus-rebuttal.html |
| 06:09.33 | brac | [Untitled Document] |
| 06:10.50 | levi | Tanenbaum's response to Linus was also excellent. |
| 06:10.54 | QBFreak | I don't get it |
| 06:12.11 | maquis | http://ponderables.twice21.com/unexpectederror.jpg |
| 06:12.42 | QBFreak | at least it was a successful error |
| 06:12.48 | levi | QBFreak: You don't get what? |
| 06:12.54 | maquis | :) |
| 06:13.02 | QBFreak | levi: the page is totally blank |
| 06:13.17 | QBFreak | in fact the entire site seems to be |
| 06:13.33 | levi | The coyotos.org one? |
| 06:13.37 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 06:13.43 | maquis | same for me |
| 06:13.47 | levi | That is odd, because I see it just fine. |
| 06:14.03 | maquis | title is "Untitled Document" |
| 06:14.03 | QBFreak | it reminded me to switch my user agent back to default, but that didn't fix it |
| 06:14.18 | levi | Oh, whoops. |
| 06:14.35 | levi | I put a .com in the original URL instead of .org |
| 06:14.49 | maquis | ah |
| 06:14.51 | QBFreak | hey, what do you know, a page |
| 06:14.54 | maquis | that appears to work better |
| 06:14.57 | levi | http://www.coyotos.org/docs/misc/linus-rebuttal.html |
| 06:15.54 | QBFreak | and I'm too lazy to read it |
| 06:16.01 | QBFreak | in fact, I must go do the before-bedtime stuffs |
| 06:16.32 | levi | It gives much more informative information about the current state of the art in OS design than a Linus rant would. |
| 06:16.51 | QBFreak | this is so sad...I'm running a test MUD for something and I can't for the life of me figure out where I logged the god user in from |
| 06:17.15 | QBFreak | 7 weeks idle, no clue what user or what I named the screen session |
| 06:17.54 | levi | Heh. |
| 06:18.01 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/72604/PostAttachment.aspx <-- so, is the right answer "yes" or "no"? |
| 06:18.19 | levi | You can't get the connection info from inside the game? |
| 06:18.26 | QBFreak | not for the god char |
| 06:18.42 | QBFreak | I at least know what physical machine he's on |
| 06:18.58 | QBFreak | maquis: that site is awesome |
| 06:19.14 | maquis | QBFreak: yup |
| 06:19.25 | QBFreak | levi: generally you can only see connection info for players of equal or lower rank |
| 06:19.29 | maquis | i particularly like the popup potpourri posts |
| 06:19.49 | maquis | but that particular one got me a nice long puzzled look while i tried to figure out what the best option is |
| 06:20.05 | maquis | "no" seems like the best option if you don't want to destroy things... |
| 06:20.11 | maquis | but "yes" is the default answer... |
| 06:20.40 | QBFreak | hey, what do you know, a different shell on my main MARE screen session... |
| 06:20.52 | QBFreak | maquis: ESC |
| 06:20.58 | QBFreak | not that you have ANY idea what that will do |
| 06:21.10 | maquis | :) |
| 06:33.26 | QBFreak | ooo a new gadget |
| 06:36.57 | QBFreak | people never cease to amaze me |
| 06:37.03 | maquis | ?? |
| 06:37.07 | QBFreak | "isVeryNull(double _value)" |
| 06:45.06 | maquis | erm |
| 06:49.33 | dilvie | Yay, new song. http://www.dilvie.com/music/2006/Dilvie_-_Detour.mp3 |
| 06:49.37 | dilvie | Go listen! =) |
| 06:49.57 | dilvie | And please give feedback. |
| 06:50.04 | QBFreak | I keep forgetting to visit knob tweakers |
| 06:51.24 | dilvie | just subscribe. =) |
| 06:53.44 | QBFreak | I still need to get caught up |
| 06:59.51 | QBFreak | and I REALLY need to go to bed, short on sleep and most likely short again tomorrow |
| 06:59.58 | QBFreak | maybe I'll get this darned schedule fixed... |
| 07:00.05 | QBFreak | laters |
| 07:01.22 | dilvie | =) |
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| 12:49.14 | goozbach | woot! |
| 12:49.23 | goozbach | mc frontalot saturday |
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| 13:16.35 | mheath | Hi, ^Migs^, welcome to #utah. Haha. |
| 13:18.30 | goozbach | such disrespect |
| 13:18.33 | goozbach | ibot: good job |
| 13:18.35 | ibot | Thank you, goozbach. |
| 13:19.43 | mheath | Last 3 days of school |
| 13:19.46 | mheath | Wow, thats weird. |
| 13:20.42 | ^Migs^ | whoa, it is? |
| 13:21.13 | ^Migs^ | I thought school ended closer to the end of the month |
| 13:26.29 | elg | levi: that was an interesting article (about linus) |
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| 13:26.47 | elg | levi: this is odd though "When you look at the evidence in the field, Linus's statement ``the whole argument that microkernels are somehow `more secure' or `more stable' is also total crap'' is simply wrong. In fact, every example of stable or secure systems in the field today is microkernel-based. There are no demonstrated examples of highly secure or highly robust unstructured (monolithic) systems in the history of computing." |
| 13:27.10 | elg | that's no argument |
| 13:27.29 | elg | although I agree with the conclusion |
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| 13:56.52 | goozbach | woot! |
| 14:01.42 | goozbach | so I don't know how I've been able to work without knowing about marks in VIM |
| 14:02.05 | goozbach | just discovered them this last week. |
| 14:02.22 | goozbach | holy crap am I more eficient |
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| 14:12.43 | Jayce^ | goozbach, marks are cool, I wish I knew them better.. |
| 14:12.54 | Jayce^ | I use them in a few ways, but I know there is more to do with them |
| 14:20.24 | goozbach | Jayce^: I just found out about the mark ' |
| 14:20.28 | goozbach | '' |
| 14:20.40 | goozbach | moves you to the place you were before you jumpped |
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| 14:22.25 | redman1 | http://www.tmrstudios.us/Wrightism/ |
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| 14:38.40 | goozbach | dilvie: great song |
| 14:39.00 | dilvie | thank you. =) |
| 14:39.02 | goozbach | dilvie: guess who I'm going to watch in concert come saturday. |
| 14:39.16 | goozbach | mc frontalot |
| 14:39.30 | goozbach | familiar with him at all? |
| 14:39.34 | dilvie | mc whosawhat? |
| 14:39.39 | dilvie | haha |
| 14:39.45 | dilvie | sorry, I don't really follow rappers much. |
| 14:39.57 | dilvie | Roger Sanchez is playing Vortex Saturday, isn't he? |
| 14:40.07 | dilvie | everybody should go there. |
| 14:40.33 | goozbach | dilvie: he's worth following. |
| 14:40.44 | goozbach | he's a 'nerdcore' rapper |
| 14:40.50 | dilvie | awesome. =) |
| 14:41.05 | goozbach | he's THE orignal 'nerdcore' rapper |
| 14:46.13 | dilvie | really? |
| 14:46.15 | dilvie | hmm |
| 14:46.46 | goozbach | www.frontalot.com |
| 14:46.57 | goozbach | he's got a bunch of music for download on his site. |
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| 14:51.57 | goozbach | ibot: punk friocorte |
| 14:51.58 | ibot | ACTION kicks friocorte in the shins |
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| 14:55.11 | goozbach | ~sully sjansen |
| 14:55.33 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
| 14:55.54 | sjansen | ~haha goozbach |
| 14:55.55 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach about the head with the ha ha bat |
| 14:59.27 | maquis | dilvie: pretty good :) |
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| 15:03.37 | dilvie | maquis: cool. =) |
| 15:05.23 | elg | goozbach: you also need to know about ctrl-o and ctrl-i |
| 15:10.34 | goozbach | elg: I just found those as well |
| 15:10.46 | goozbach | I'm composing a blog entry abt them as we speak |
| 15:12.39 | sjansen | http://damienkatz.net/2006/05/signs_youre_a_c.html |
| 15:12.41 | brac | [Damien Katz: Signs You're a Crappy Programmer (and don't know it)] |
| 15:17.11 | Jayce^ | sjansen, awesome |
| 15:19.22 | goozbach | thanks sjansen now I'll be reading that all day |
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| 15:31.51 | spr | ~lart OIT |
| 15:31.57 | maquis | -lart spr |
| 15:31.58 | obfuscated | anyone know if there's a way to register an SIP address with 911? |
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| 15:32.23 | obfuscated | I was looking at some of the free SIP services yesterday, and if I could somehow get 911 working, I'd be set |
| 15:36.32 | jsmith | obfuscated: No... you have to use an ITSP (Internet Telephony Service Provider) that supports E911. |
| 15:36.43 | obfuscated | darn |
| 15:36.46 | obfuscated | that would be cool |
| 15:36.49 | jsmith | obfuscated: But I highly doubt you'll find a free one that supports it. |
| 15:37.02 | jsmith | obfuscated: I can point you at some good cheap local SIP connections that support E911. |
| 15:37.45 | obfuscated | I hear there's some talk in the fcc about finding ways to attach 911 service geographically to a device instead of to a number |
| 15:38.14 | obfuscated | jsmith: I'm with Vonage right now - $25/mo is good enough. I was just hoping for free service ;-) |
| 15:38.38 | jsmith | obfuscated: Send me a private message, and I'll give you a much cheaper option... |
| 15:40.03 | obfuscated | jsmith: did you get my pm? Not sure if my pms are working (since I can't register my stupid name) |
| 15:41.30 | jsmith | obfuscated: Nope... |
| 15:42.08 | jsmith | obfuscated: Join me in #cheap-phones |
| 15:43.04 | obfuscated | weird |
| 15:46.15 | Uncle_Jesse | I've been spoiled with A/C all my life |
| 15:46.23 | levi | Heh. |
| 15:48.23 | elg | don't forget to leave a window or door ajar |
| 15:48.38 | elg | swamp coolers don't work well without a way for the air to leave |
| 15:48.54 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: yeah - I was trying to convince my wife of that last night |
| 15:49.00 | Uncle_Jesse | she insisted growing up they never did that |
| 15:49.22 | elg | then they didn't get the best cooling |
| 15:50.03 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - clearly |
| 15:50.19 | Uncle_Jesse | I think my pump is broken though - not spraying water when I turn it on "pump only" |
| 15:50.53 | elg | then you have a loud fan |
| 15:53.45 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: what do you mean? |
| 15:53.57 | elg | if there's no water, all it is is a big noisy fan |
| 15:54.30 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: yup |
| 15:54.36 | Uncle_Jesse | with a little moisture from the pan |
| 15:54.42 | Uncle_Jesse | but not really |
| 15:56.43 | lars-ut-away | harleypig: noon to 3pm? |
| 15:58.33 | Uncle_Jesse | when we bought our house we made the old owners put an access into the attic. I just went in for the first time yesterday to look at the Swamp Cooler and a nice little profanity was on the access aimed towards the inspector |
| 15:59.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I guess they weren't too happy about our request for that |
| 16:00.16 | levi | Heh. |
| 16:03.41 | redman1 | harleypig: ping |
| 16:04.21 | elg | redman1: pong |
| 16:04.41 | redman1 | elg: hey! i'm looking for harley, pal! |
| 16:04.48 | elg | -lart redman1 |
| 16:05.20 | harleypig | lars-ut: I was just tossing out times ... |
| 16:05.42 | harleypig | that's certainly a good lart to the borg |
| 16:05.46 | harleypig | -lart everyone |
| 16:05.58 | redman1 | harleypig: dude. cobol on rails. |
| 16:06.05 | harleypig | lars-ut: did you have a question or comment? |
| 16:06.11 | lars-ut | harleypig: the park reservation blck is from 4-9pm |
| 16:06.23 | harleypig | oh |
| 16:06.24 | elg | cobol on snails |
| 16:06.27 | lars-ut | they said they'd let us stay later |
| 16:06.35 | lars-ut | I'm thinking 5-10pm |
| 16:06.52 | harleypig | well, I guess I'll have to keep track of my kids myself then. |
| 16:06.54 | harleypig | somehow |
| 16:07.03 | lars-ut | folks can come & go as they please |
| 16:07.12 | Jayce^ | CORE - Cobol On Rails Extreme |
| 16:07.16 | lars-ut | harleypig: there is a playground & pool close by |
| 16:07.25 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, especially his kids (coming and going) |
| 16:07.53 | lars-ut | myabe Jayce^ will lend you a paintball gun to enforce boundaries |
| 16:07.56 | harleypig | lars-ut: Yeah, I can't leave my kids alone for more than 5 minutes at a time ... |
| 16:08.00 | harleypig | mayhem results if I do. |
| 16:08.07 | harleypig | heh |
| 16:08.45 | harleypig | automatic paintball sentry guns |
| 16:08.58 | lars-ut | nice. |
| 16:09.28 | harleypig | Put one of those collars ... no, they'd figure a way out of those ... embed a tracking chip in their little butts |
| 16:09.30 | sjansen | Suddenly the picnic sounds more interesting. Issue adults paintball guns, tell them to keep the kids under control. Get harleypig to turn his back... |
| 16:09.41 | harleypig | :D |
| 16:09.48 | harleypig | I'd do it just for fun! |
| 16:09.50 | elg | give harleypig a gun too! |
| 16:10.20 | harleypig | Oops ... sorry kids. Didn't know it was loaded. |
| 16:10.26 | redman1 | gah! don't give harleypig a gun! |
| 16:10.35 | elg | a flamethrower |
| 16:10.54 | redman1 | of course, he has no aim with the nerf guns, so as long as he was shooting at me, i'd be safe |
| 16:11.26 | lars-ut | Jordy is going to reserve the pavilion today - I told him to get the red pavilion at Scera Park... it's supposed to be close to the playfround area at the nearby elementary school, but farther from the pool. |
| 16:11.27 | Jayce^ | yeah, his shots at his son were to the left.. |
| 16:11.37 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, excellent |
| 16:11.47 | lars-ut | s/playfround/playground |
| 16:12.30 | lars-ut | harleypig: how many chitlings are we talking here? |
| 16:12.43 | lars-ut | s/chitlings/targets |
| 16:13.19 | harleypig | no, two were to the left and one was to the right. |
| 16:13.27 | harleypig | the sight wasn't right for me |
| 16:13.28 | harleypig | lars-ut: 6 |
| 16:13.39 | redman1 | feh. harleypig just proved again that he can't shoot. |
| 16:13.40 | harleypig | 3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12 |
| 16:13.47 | lars-ut | ay de mim |
| 16:13.56 | harleypig | eh? |
| 16:14.32 | lars-ut | harleypig, that's some serious progeny - my hat's off to ya'. |
| 16:15.00 | Jayce^ | 2 here |
| 16:15.10 | lars-ut | our fourth is under construction |
| 16:15.17 | lars-ut | due in Sept. |
| 16:15.27 | redman1 | lars-ut: wow. i've never heard it put like that before |
| 16:15.42 | elg | your a baker. it's always in the oven for you |
| 16:15.49 | lars-ut | divide cells, divide! |
| 16:16.14 | redman1 | elg: nothing in the oven at the moment |
| 16:16.15 | lars-ut | got a pretty good look on the ultrasound the other day - my wife said he looked like an alien |
| 16:16.31 | elg | it probably is |
| 16:16.35 | lars-ut | :) |
| 16:16.52 | redman1 | elg: you been hanging out with Jayce^ or something? |
| 16:16.59 | redman1 | buncha hosers |
| 16:17.00 | levi | I'm not yet sure why anyone would have more than one kid. |
| 16:17.05 | lars-ut | elg: Maybe I'll name him Zim then... |
| 16:17.18 | elg | levi: you'll see. |
| 16:17.33 | redman1 | if we ever need a kid, we just rent from my sister in law. it doesn't happen very often. |
| 16:17.34 | elg | better to play with eachother than bug you all day long |
| 16:17.52 | levi | elg: I suspect the answer, for me, will be because my wife insists. |
| 16:17.53 | Jayce^ | levi, wives... it's all their fault |
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| 16:18.02 | elg | that's the other reason :) |
| 16:18.37 | Jayce^ | redman1, your wife will push you past the point of no return soon enough |
| 16:18.42 | Jayce^ | they always do |
| 16:19.22 | redman1 | Jayce^: that reminds me, is your wife still mad at me for what i told you on april fool's day? |
| 16:19.23 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.10 | Jayce^ | redman1, probably |
| 16:21.26 | redman1 | oh good |
| 16:21.46 | levi | I wasn't even really keen on having the first one, but I relented. Now that the novelty is wearing thin, I'm discovering that, as I suspected, newborns really aren't my thing. |
| 16:22.12 | Jayce^ | levi, for me, it just gets harder the first few years.. |
| 16:22.36 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, my son does, daughter is only 20 months though.. |
| 16:22.52 | lars-ut | levi: It gets better when they interact more - I have a hard time until about 18 months of age |
| 16:23.35 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: once they turn 5 or so they can start helping out around the house and it gets better |
| 16:23.38 | levi | Yeah, squirming around aimlessly and pooping a lot is only cute for a couple of days. |
| 16:23.43 | Uncle_Jesse | until they become teenagers so I hear |
| 16:24.01 | Uncle_Jesse | My daughter gets up and helps take care of my toddler every morning |
| 16:24.10 | tensai | "better" is relative. their ideas of "helping" never seem to coincide with yours |
| 16:24.29 | tensai | it's never a panacea, so enjoy every minute |
| 16:24.42 | lars-ut | amen, tensai |
| 16:24.52 | lars-ut | they grow so fast |
| 16:24.55 | elg | 18 months is fun, but you got to get all your stuff out of reach |
| 16:25.19 | Uncle_Jesse | you just have to learn to give and not expect perfection from their help and it becomes better than nothing |
| 16:25.33 | levi | Some friends at church have an 18 month old, and she's kind of fun to interact with. |
| 16:25.45 | Uncle_Jesse | I guess I've just grown used to having kids |
| 16:25.51 | Uncle_Jesse | they don't phase me as much any more |
| 16:25.53 | lars-ut | elg: true - Man I've got to baby proof everything again. It'll be a 6-year gap since we've had a child |
| 16:26.32 | elg | levi: yup, lots of fun |
| 16:26.48 | elg | except when they're destroying things |
| 16:27.12 | elg | my parents had 7. dad says the biggest adjustment was from 0 to 1, and the second biggest adjustment was from 1 to 2 |
| 16:27.12 | levi | I think I'll be happier when my wife has fully recovered and starts doing housework and stuff again. |
| 16:27.16 | Uncle_Jesse | I paid my daughter to keep an eye on my sons while I was in another room the other day and she went on and offered my son a subset of that money to keep an eye on our youngest |
| 16:27.19 | Uncle_Jesse | I've trained them well |
| 16:27.25 | elg | yeah, the first little bit is tiring |
| 16:27.29 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.37 | tyce | !topic |
| 16:27.42 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: _that's_ capitalism |
| 16:27.45 | elg | !tyce |
| 16:27.45 | *** topic/#utah by tyce -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || X-Men 3 midnight showing cancelled || LUG BBQ h/topicttp://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
| 16:27.49 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: you bet! |
| 16:28.39 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: that's how it's become in my house now that I have a 6 and 4 year old |
| 16:28.52 | Uncle_Jesse | so much different from when they were all toddlers |
| 16:29.01 | levi | I think I'll also be happier when the baby moves to her own bedroom at night. |
| 16:29.27 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: I love it when they learn the value of money & open source games like Frozen Bubble |
| 16:29.54 | Jayce^ | levi, then you'll catch yourself waking up because things are *quiet* |
| 16:30.16 | levi | Jayce^: No, I'm pretty sure I won't. :) |
| 16:30.24 | Jayce^ | levi, that's what I thought |
| 16:30.32 | levi | My wife probably will, though. |
| 16:30.41 | lars-ut | levi: stop at the hardware store and buy some earplugs |
| 16:31.08 | Jayce^ | the second kid not so much, but definately on the first one |
| 16:31.10 | levi | She wakes up every other night or so and thinks a pillow is the baby, and tries to find her head. |
| 16:31.25 | elg | Jayce^: you're just a nut. I still sleep through everything |
| 16:31.28 | elg | quiet or not |
| 16:31.31 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: haven't tried Frozen Bubble - I'll have to check it out |
| 16:31.44 | Uncle_Jesse | third is even easier than the second |
| 16:31.53 | lars-ut | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.57 | Uncle_Jesse | you just go from man-to-man to zone defense is the main difference |
| 16:35.14 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: the other one that RyanE_ recommended recently was Jump N Bump - http://freshmeat.net/projects/jumpnbump/ |
| 16:35.34 | lars-ut | win version: http://www.icculus.org/jumpnbump/ |
| 16:35.34 | elg | jump n bump is great fun |
| 16:35.35 | brac | [Jump'n'Bump] |
| 16:36.23 | levi | My wife had a friend over last night who stayed from 6pm to 9pm, so we completely missed dinner. :/ |
| 16:37.02 | lars-ut | levi: after 7pm I would have gone to Beto's silently |
| 16:37.48 | Uncle_Jesse | lars-ut: dude - that's awesome. Multi-player for kids! |
| 16:37.56 | levi | I ate a big cinnamon roll that she'd picked up for me earlier, and I made a sandwich for my wife as soon as her friend left. |
| 16:38.13 | lars-ut | scratch that - I would have microwaved hot dogs & called it good. |
| 16:38.24 | lars-ut | Uncle_Jesse: has a "no blood mode" as well |
| 16:38.32 | Uncle_Jesse | heh |
| 16:38.38 | goozbach | I would have driven through wendy's |
| 16:38.41 | levi | I haven't got any hot dogs. |
| 16:38.57 | lars-ut | brats? but then you'd need to grill 'em |
| 16:39.09 | Uncle_Jesse | even better |
| 16:39.12 | levi | Actually, I think we may have some brats in the freezer. |
| 16:39.17 | levi | From Sigfried's, even. |
| 16:39.33 | lars-ut | levi: Sigfried's ? |
| 16:40.31 | levi | lars-ut: A German deli/market downtown. They hand-make bratwurst and assorted other yummy things. |
| 16:40.52 | lars-ut | levi: aw, man. I've got to go eat there. |
| 16:41.07 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 16:41.11 | xbmodder_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.30 | xbmodder_ | ugly load average... |
| 16:41.53 | goozbach | between my addiction to food network, and redman1's blog entries, I'm becomming a cooking fool. |
| 16:42.00 | levi | lars-ut: Yes, you've got to. :) |
| 16:42.00 | elg | what's ugly about that? |
| 16:42.04 | elg | goozbach: welcome to the club |
| 16:42.11 | elg | that's what happens when you get your own kitchen |
| 16:42.11 | Uncle_Jesse | q4u has some good recipes |
| 16:42.20 | levi | xbmodder_: Ugly as in underutilized, perhaps. |
| 16:42.20 | Uncle_Jesse | for grillin' |
| 16:42.32 | elg | unused cpu is wasted cpu |
| 16:42.46 | elg | i heard someone say unused ram is wasted ram the other day. not quite true |
| 16:43.07 | elg | if all your ram is used you are most likely swapping, and that is definitely worse than unused ram |
| 16:43.24 | levi | elg: Well, that depends on how you mean 'used' |
| 16:43.47 | levi | elg: Since Linux will use 'unused' RAM for caching and such, which may or may not be considered 'used'. |
| 16:44.49 | elg | the context was defending firefox' appetite for ram |
| 16:45.07 | ^Migs^ | that depends on how you mean "context" |
| 16:45.51 | goozbach | that depends on how you define 'mean' |
| 16:46.02 | goozbach | and how you define 'define' |
| 16:46.13 | elg | i don't see how, but I'm happy to elaborate. the assertion was that firefox expands to use your unused ram. the problem is that firefox isn't involved in deciding whether that ram is needed |
| 16:46.21 | elg | and doesn't relinquish it once it's claimed |
| 16:46.22 | levi | Ahh. Well, one shouldn't be wasteful of RAM or CPU cycles. Having free RAM/CPU is only bad if you have useful things you could be doing with them. |
| 16:48.08 | elg | exactly |
| 16:49.29 | QBFreak | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2139555376132383479 |
| 16:49.46 | goozbach_ | hmm when did I get here? |
| 16:50.00 | QBFreak | I dunno, I just woke up |
| 16:50.04 | lars-ut | goozbach: after you were there |
| 16:50.41 | *** part/#utah goozbach_ (n=dcarter@166.70.63.212) |
| 16:51.20 | levi | Hmm, Aaron Toponce has been typing using the 'Dvorak language' lately. |
| 16:51.23 | elg | :) |
| 16:53.02 | levi | What is that, Czech? |
| 16:53.10 | Uncle_Jesse | The SLLUG meeting for this month seems a bit one-sided to one candidate |
| 16:53.17 | Uncle_Jesse | not that I'm against the issues |
| 16:53.39 | Uncle_Jesse | but there ought to be some questions in there that Hatch would have strengths in |
| 16:53.47 | Uncle_Jesse | if he has any ;-) |
| 16:54.11 | bertbob | like, how much money has RIAA given you? |
| 16:54.49 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 16:55.16 | Uncle_Jesse | come to think of it, I can't think of anything really good Hatch has done - can anyone else? |
| 16:55.35 | Uncle_Jesse | all that sticks out in my mind are his anti-innovative stances |
| 16:56.03 | bertbob | every time I write a letter to Hatch expressing an opinion I get a letter back from him stating, thanks, but you're wrong, and I'm right |
| 16:56.27 | dilvie | hahaha |
| 16:57.24 | levi | A while back, he was actually pushing p2p stuff pretty hard. He had some sort of a hearing at BYU where he got Shawn Fanning or whatever his name is and some other local p2p technology companies to speak. |
| 16:58.29 | Uncle_Jesse | interesting - how was he pushing it? |
| 16:59.04 | levi | Just talking it up like it was the next big thing, organizing the Senate hearing thing for it, etc. |
| 16:59.27 | levi | It was a long time ago. I don't recall too many details. |
| 16:59.37 | Uncle_Jesse | he was just looking for a way to blow up all our computers |
| 16:59.59 | bertbob | don't forget he advocated reaching out and destroying the computers of copyright violators |
| 17:00.04 | bertbob | yeah, what he said |
| 17:00.05 | bertbob | LOL |
| 17:00.06 | levi | http://magazine.byu.edu/?act=view&a=85 |
| 17:00.07 | brac | [Senate Hears Napster at BYU] |
| 17:01.15 | levi | http://judiciary.senate.gov/member_statement.cfm?id=199&wit_id=51 |
| 17:02.40 | mrpull- | i wonder if the black macbook pro will scratch and look like crap as quickly as my nano |
| 17:02.55 | mrpull- | s/pro// |
| 17:03.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I want him to explain to me how file sharing fits under the DMCA legally |
| 17:03.13 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd like to see the clause in the DMCA that fits that |
| 17:03.28 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull-: I was wondering the same thing |
| 17:03.44 | Uncle_Jesse | they look cool though |
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| 17:04.34 | mrpull- | i really like having a both a pointer stick and a touch pad though (not to mention more than one mouse button) |
| 17:04.47 | mrpull- | that is about the only thing left to gripe about the apple laptops |
| 17:05.14 | Uncle_Jesse | it's just a different way of doing things |
| 17:05.42 | jsmith | mrpull-: Amen! |
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| 17:06.58 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull-: my ibook was white and it scratched pretty well |
| 17:07.14 | Uncle_Jesse | but you can't see the scratches on the white |
| 17:08.48 | levi | Man, now I need a MacBook, and I just bought my iBook a year ago. :/ |
| 17:09.34 | Uncle_Jesse | lol - mine broke last year so I really need one |
| 17:09.40 | Uncle_Jesse | stupid airplanes |
| 17:09.51 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm stuck with a Dell for now |
| 17:10.57 | sjansen | Hatch is good at one thing: pork. If we replace him, it'll take a long time before the replacement has as much power to bring home the pork. |
| 17:11.27 | elg | ~pig sjansen |
| 17:11.29 | ibot | '' |
| 17:11.38 | sjansen | Hatch's influence also makes it easier for him to keep nuclear waste out of Utah. |
| 17:11.54 | elg | i don't know, but maybe he's done good things in more traditional technology-free areas |
| 17:11.55 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: does that mean he brings home spam too? |
| 17:12.30 | elg | not everything techidiots do is as bad as the stuff they do relating to technology |
| 17:12.53 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone see the 20/20 last week on nuclear radiation not being that bad? |
| 17:13.10 | Uncle_Jesse | That still doesn't make total sense to me |
| 17:13.23 | elg | you've swallowed the anti-nuke pill too often |
| 17:13.49 | macnewbold | once they get to know Pete Ashdown, he'd have plenty of influence too |
| 17:13.53 | macnewbold | and he'd keep our bits free |
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| 17:14.20 | bertbob | ask the folks from St. George if they think radiation is benign |
| 17:14.20 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: I think it has its uses, but that doesn't mean it's not still dangerous |
| 17:14.26 | sjansen | Myself, I just want someone who'll stand up to the govt. and say "enough, this isn't is America, the greatest country in the world, not some bannanna republic or police state". |
| 17:14.37 | sjansen | s/isn't// |
| 17:14.55 | Uncle_Jesse | Cherynobl may have only had 50 or so people die thus far, but that doesn't take into account the thousands in the future that will die due to genetic issues caused by it |
| 17:15.17 | elg | we're not cherynobl |
| 17:15.22 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: amen |
| 17:15.38 | elg | as in we're not as careless. care is good. respect, knowledge, all that |
| 17:15.43 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: there can't be an accident like that here? |
| 17:16.06 | elg | but petrifying terror is silly. we do a lot of things more statistically dangerous every day |
| 17:16.10 | elg | like driving cars |
| 17:16.24 | elg | Uncle_Jesse: just look at the history |
| 17:16.40 | elg | what's the worst nuclear accident in the states? |
| 17:16.41 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: I agree - we still have to recognize there is danger though |
| 17:16.46 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: 3-mile island |
| 17:16.47 | elg | duh |
| 17:16.58 | elg | and nobody was hurt on 3-mile island |
| 17:17.01 | bertbob | get out your crystat ball and look 25,000 years into the future ... that's the legacy of nuclear waste |
| 17:17.11 | elg | and who's done more nuclear testing than anyone else? probably us, but I don't know that for sure |
| 17:17.40 | Uncle_Jesse | bertbob: yeah - the nuclear waste thing is something we have to figure out before pursuing too much nuclear innovation in the future |
| 17:17.53 | macnewbold | utah and nevada combined are probably at the top of the list for sure |
| 17:17.56 | elg | bertbob: i hear people telling us every day that we're doomed by petroleum emissions a lot sooner than that |
| 17:18.16 | tensai | here's something to think about. where did all the nuclear material come from in the first place? the ground. |
| 17:18.20 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: that's because they are more prevalent |
| 17:18.27 | bertbob | I'm not saying we're doomed, just that the waste will be dangerous for that long |
| 17:18.59 | elg | tensai: but uranium doesn't hurt us when it's in its natural state!!!1!! |
| 17:19.09 | elg | nature doesn't hurt us like we hurt us |
| 17:19.19 | macnewbold | once we have economical ways to launch stuff into space, we can just send the n-waste towards the sun, no? |
| 17:19.21 | tensai | I've heard tell that uranium tends to occur near where coal does, so coal fired power plants emit more radiation than anything because it gets burned up too |
| 17:19.31 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm for nuclear innovation - I just think we have to be careful about it |
| 17:19.37 | macnewbold | true |
| 17:19.41 | Uncle_Jesse | play our cards slowly and wisely |
| 17:19.48 | Uncle_Jesse | until the kinks are worked out |
| 17:19.50 | elg | we have to be careful about everything. what's new? |
| 17:20.03 | macnewbold | I don't know about slowly, but wisely yes, an sometimes wisely requires slowly |
| 17:20.12 | elg | the public should stay out of it. tell the scientists to keep it safe and trust them to do their jobs |
| 17:20.14 | tensai | macnewbold: I heard a reason why shooting waste into space wouldn't work. shoot, I wish I could remember. |
| 17:20.22 | Uncle_Jesse | macnewbold: yeah - that's what I meant |
| 17:20.49 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: so a secret Scientist society? |
| 17:21.09 | tensai | I for one welcome our new Scientist Overlords |
| 17:21.20 | elg | it doesn't have to be secret. it can be peer reviewed, and public reviewed and there can be all the regular checks and balances with govt etc |
| 17:21.29 | Uncle_Jesse | That's actually what Einstein and his associates envisioned |
| 17:21.34 | elg | but the political arena is not a very good place to make those decisions |
| 17:21.42 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: I thought you said keep the public out of it ;-) |
| 17:21.49 | Uncle_Jesse | elg: agreed |
| 17:21.51 | elg | new mexico has been grappling with the nuclear waste issue longer than utah |
| 17:21.54 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.02 | lars-ut | InterLUG BBQ - 2006 location confirmed. Scera Park in Orem(600 South State), Red Pavilion, we'll start at 5pm and go until whenever. http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
| 17:22.08 | elg | i said don't let the public make the decisions in a political forum |
| 17:22.10 | harleypig | I don't understand what the problem is here. |
| 17:22.10 | sjansen | I just want to go on record as saying I think burying the waste in Nevada is a great idea. Nobody needs Nevada. |
| 17:22.13 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - the waste issue has *got* to be worked out |
| 17:22.14 | elg | let the public be involved |
| 17:22.17 | Uncle_Jesse | it's hindering us |
| 17:22.29 | bertbob | utah has been bothered with it for a long time, namely in Moab where most of the uranium was mined years ago |
| 17:22.35 | Uncle_Jesse | I say use Alaska as our dumping ground ;-) |
| 17:22.41 | Uncle_Jesse | and drill for oil there too |
| 17:22.41 | xbmodder_ | anyone here have a bzflag server running on port 443? |
| 17:22.46 | xbmodder_ | unfiltered? |
| 17:22.58 | elg | xbmodder_: gonna hack us? |
| 17:22.58 | Uncle_Jesse | or let's buy Canada and do it all there |
| 17:23.05 | *** topic/#utah by lars-ut -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || X-Men 3 midnight showing cancelled || LUG BBQ Sat June 17 http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
| 17:23.06 | xbmodder_ | elg: ...no... |
| 17:23.06 | Uncle_Jesse | eh? |
| 17:23.17 | xbmodder_ | grrr |
| 17:23.38 | xbmodder_ | only port 53 open, udp wise |
| 17:24.24 | bertbob | I just think it's arrogant to think that we can "guarentee" safety of anything for 25 thousand years. Clearly there is a need to put it somewhere |
| 17:24.44 | lars-ut | bertbob: That's what the sun is for |
| 17:25.11 | lars-ut | or the earth's core |
| 17:25.17 | Uncle_Jesse | bertbob: yeah - I was reading something awhile back on how just designating the area in a language that will stick around for that long is near impossible |
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| 17:25.58 | Uncle_Jesse | we need superman is what we need |
| 17:26.26 | xbmodder_ | I love ssh tunneling |
| 17:26.58 | ^Migs^ | I find it titillating |
| 17:31.18 | *** topic/#utah by lars-ut -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || X-Men 3 midnight showing cancelled || InterLUG BBQ Sat June 17 http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
| 17:43.09 | TimRiker | xbmodder_: so you need to setup an external dns to ip router an tunnel through dns. |
| 17:55.10 | lars-ut | http://mail.herlo.org/pipermail/boardgames_herlo.org/2006-May/000157.html |
| 17:55.11 | brac | [[BoardGames] Board Game Night Tonight 9:30pm - May 16] |
| 17:55.41 | lars-ut | This Board Game night is in Springville. |
| 17:59.30 | ^Migs^ | sounds like a rompin geek fest |
| 18:01.38 | lars-ut-away | ^Migs^: 'tis indeed. |
| 18:02.21 | lars-ut-away | ^Migs^: If you can break away come on down to Springville - it'll be fun. |
| 18:03.14 | lars-ut-away | plus you'll get to increase your tv show archive |
| 18:07.45 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone live near Taylorsville? |
| 18:07.50 | Uncle_Jesse | just curious |
| 18:07.58 | ^Migs^ | no, why don't you come up HERE to Roy? |
| 18:08.15 | jlp_work | Uncle_Jesse: I lived in taylorsville for 10 years... now in murray |
| 18:08.46 | Uncle_Jesse | jlp_work: anyone else live around this area? We should do some get-togethers some time |
| 18:09.05 | ^Migs^ | even if I did live in Taylorsville, I don't want to meet you weirdos |
| 18:09.21 | jlp_work | I think most #utah people are a little further south, if you know what I mean :-) |
| 18:09.57 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - they're all a little too "happy" to be from up here ;-) |
| 18:10.04 | jlp_work | you know it |
| 18:10.19 | ^Migs^ | I think all you Salt Lake peeps are too "happy" |
| 18:10.30 | ^Migs^ | the further north you go, the less happy you become apparently |
| 18:11.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I lived there for 6 years of my life |
| 18:11.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I was happy there |
| 18:11.55 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 18:12.33 | Uncle_Jesse | I was happier in Texas though |
| 18:12.57 | jlp_work | heh, I was happier in montana, but I'm working here |
| 18:13.31 | Uncle_Jesse | VA was a happy place too |
| 18:18.30 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1748 |
| 18:18.31 | brac | [AppleInsider | Up close and personal with Apple's MacBook (photos)] |
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| 18:48.00 | sjansen | I look at that MacBook and all I can think is "Oh how the might have fallen." |
| 18:51.34 | levi | Speaking of titillating... apparently there's a Man Show podcast now. |
| 18:51.58 | levi | A coworker was watching it during lunch. |
| 18:52.50 | levi | sjansen: What have you got against the MacBook? |
| 18:53.36 | levi | sjansen: I mean, compare with the original toilet seat iBook. If it's fallen from there, it defied gravity and fell /up/. |
| 18:54.14 | ^Migs^ | the MacBook doesn't even make decent toilet paper |
| 18:54.28 | sjansen | Think back to black Powerbooks. Those were pretty. This new MacBook looks like it's made of cheap plastic. |
| 18:55.03 | sjansen | I never was a fan of the iBook line, but at least the toilet seat showed some creativity. |
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| 18:55.17 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
| 18:55.22 | Hhhhh | sjansen, has there ever been a Mac that was not made of cheap plastic? |
| 18:55.28 | levi | I am a fan of the price/performance of the MacBook. |
| 18:55.52 | sjansen | This new design screams: "We've got Intel inside, who even cares anymore? Leave mommy alone for a bit, she's going out back of the trailer to smoke." |
| 18:56.38 | levi | sjansen: You're just a fallen Mac lover. Of course you're bitter. |
| 18:57.18 | levi | sjansen: You'd much rather hate Apple irrationally than admit the breakup was your fault. |
| 19:02.02 | amcnabb | Wait. I just caught on. It prints the URL for the midi bagpipes garbage every time I log in, doesn't it? |
| 19:03.11 | sjansen | ~bagpipe amcnabb |
| 19:03.13 | levi | Heh, yes. |
| 19:03.20 | levi | I think elg set that for you. :) |
| 19:05.23 | amcnabb | :) |
| 19:07.29 | spr | ~onjoin amcnabb |
| 19:07.29 | ibot | onjoin for amcnabb set by elg on Sat May 13 10:32:01 2006: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/05/vpipes-super-hot-midi-bagpipes.html |
| 19:07.31 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
| 19:07.35 | amcnabb | They aren't even highland pipes! |
| 19:10.14 | sjansen | amcnabb: pipe down |
| 19:10.19 | amcnabb | :) |
| 19:10.58 | levi | Piper down! |
| 19:17.42 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 19:17.58 | sjansen | Now we see the violence inherent in the system! |
| 19:19.59 | goozbach | I discovered something this last week |
| 19:20.18 | goozbach | orange and bay leaves clash quite a bit |
| 19:20.41 | goozbach | at least thats what I figured ruined my stew experiment. |
| 19:24.49 | ^Migs^ | I hate going from using Java to PHP |
| 19:25.14 | ^Migs^ | I always end up with 100 syntactical errors |
| 19:27.10 | goozbach | know what would solve your problem? |
| 19:27.15 | goozbach | don't use either :) |
| 19:27.18 | levi | "Regrettably, programmers seem to be more guided by syntax than semantics." |
| 19:27.23 | levi | Amen. |
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| 19:28.49 | goozbach | redman1: any insight into why those two flavors would clash? |
| 19:28.51 | goozbach | I've done the cup of oj added to the stew broth |
| 19:29.05 | goozbach | and I've done the bay leaves added to the stew. |
| 19:29.11 | goozbach | both ended up quite well |
| 19:29.20 | goozbach | but when I did both, things went south. |
| 19:32.37 | redman1 | goozbach: which kind of bay leaf? i think there's two... one tastes like menthol, and one doesn't |
| 19:33.39 | Jayce^ | redman1, california bay, that's because it is actually eucalyptis |
| 19:37.08 | redman1 | goozbach: what else was in the stew? |
| 19:39.46 | sjansen | marshmallows |
| 19:40.37 | redman1 | ~dog sjansen |
| 19:40.39 | ibot | ACTION stares at sjansen until sjansen whimpers and pees all over himself. |
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| 19:51.28 | goozbach | redman1: other than those two changes they were identical |
| 19:51.42 | goozbach | stewmeat, floured and browned |
| 19:51.51 | goozbach | red onion, sauted |
| 19:51.56 | goozbach | potatoes |
| 19:52.01 | tyce | any got X pushing a 16:9 naitive resolution in here? |
| 19:52.33 | goozbach | carrots, sweet basil, onion chives, |
| 19:53.09 | tyce | trying to get xorg/mythtv to show a proper res on my 16:9 projector.... any help would be greatly appriciated. |
| 19:53.19 | goozbach | and it was the bay leaf that doens't taste like menthol |
| 19:54.00 | goozbach | tyce: I just chose a resolution that fits the 16:9 ratio |
| 19:54.09 | goozbach | and it runs quite well on my tv |
| 19:54.53 | tyce | I tried using 800x480 (I believe) and when I run xrandr, it shows 1024x768 |
| 19:55.39 | redman1 | goozbach: so, you made a stew three times, the first time you used bay, the second time you used orange juice, and the third you used both. the first two tasted okay, and the third not so much? |
| 19:56.06 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.16 | goozbach | redman1: yup |
| 19:57.56 | goozbach | mostly I was wondering if you've seen recipies which combine bay leaves, and orange juice |
| 19:58.25 | goozbach | to see if there was some precident there |
| 19:58.44 | goozbach | sjansen: I'll have you know I only use the finest kittens in my cooking |
| 19:59.03 | goozbach | s/finest/finest and freshest/ |
| 20:04.13 | redman1 | goozbach: http://www.seagateproducts.com/carrot-powder-information.html |
| 20:04.14 | brac | [SeagateProducts.com > Carrot Powder Recipes] |
| 20:04.18 | redman1 | check the last recipe on the page |
| 20:06.51 | amcnabb | What's Carrot Powder? |
| 20:06.59 | goozbach | maybe something had gone bad |
| 20:07.04 | goozbach | I think I'll try it again |
| 20:07.21 | amcnabb | Wow. |
| 20:07.38 | amcnabb | I was wondering why a hard drive manufacturer has recipes on its web site. |
| 20:07.45 | redman1 | amcnabb: me too |
| 20:07.53 | amcnabb | I feel pretty dumb. :) |
| 20:08.31 | QBFreak | their drives get hot enough to cook on? |
| 20:08.55 | redman1 | yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me why they wouldn't work together. maybe it would help if there was a third ingredient to help them work together better? |
| 20:10.11 | QBFreak | duct tape! |
| 20:10.36 | goozbach | QBFreak: I use that to pull all the hair off the kittens |
| 20:10.47 | goozbach | and it didnt' help the taste at all |
| 20:14.08 | Supaplex | then fire the cook :) hehe |
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| 20:16.01 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:16.16 | sjansen | emcnabb: Shouldn't you be gone? |
| 20:16.22 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:16.36 | emcnabb | -lart sjansen |
| 20:22.18 | emcnabb | http://library.stanford.edu/mac/primary/images/hawley1.html |
| 20:22.19 | brac | [The Xerox Mouse Commercialized] |
| 20:22.28 | emcnabb | I just found this mouse in my box-o-crap |
| 20:24.05 | QBFreak | looks like it might be worth some money |
| 20:32.10 | *** part/#utah ^Migs^ (i=Migs@205.122.50.21) |
| 20:32.46 | elg | levi: what's the easiest way to test whether a language is turing complete or not? |
| 20:32.51 | *** join/#utah dilvie (n=dilvie@c-67-161-255-229.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:32.51 | elg | or is there an easy way? |
| 20:33.26 | dilvie | elg |
| 20:33.27 | dilvie | what's up? |
| 20:33.52 | elg | i think I'm going crazy |
| 20:34.01 | dilvie | http://www.dilvie.com/music/2006/Dilvie_-_Detour.mp3 |
| 20:34.04 | dilvie | how come? |
| 20:34.15 | dilvie | ^^ tons of haas effect used in that song |
| 20:34.34 | levi | elg: I'm not sure. Implement a turing machine in it? |
| 20:34.44 | elg | i'm thinking of writing a couple of proofs about the turing completeness of ser scripting language and asterisk extensions.conf |
| 20:34.44 | levi | elg: Or perhaps the lambda calculus. |
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| 20:35.07 | elg | dilvie: cool, I'll have to listen with my headphones |
| 20:35.24 | elg | i thought I picked out some distortion, but it may be my mixer settings |
| 20:35.28 | levi | elg: You are indeed going crazy, but at least it's a good kind of crazy. |
| 20:35.32 | elg | unless you had distortion in there on purpose |
| 20:37.36 | dilvie | there's all sorts of distortion in that song |
| 20:37.38 | dilvie | on purpose |
| 20:37.54 | dilvie | It's intentionally very dirty. |
| 20:38.12 | lars-ut | anbody have tackle box recommendations for a PC Toolkit? I'm looking at this one: http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=37113&hvarTarget=search |
| 20:38.14 | brac | [Plano 777 Guide Series Professional Tackle Box] |
| 20:39.17 | jsmith | lars-ut: I have a Plano, and I like it... |
| 20:39.28 | lars-ut | what model? |
| 20:40.36 | levi | elg: This might be helpful: http://www.iwriteiam.nl/Ha_bf_Turing.html |
| 20:57.06 | jsmith | lars-ut: No clue -- something I picked up cheap at K-mart about 9 years ago. |
| 21:01.32 | findlay | if I have postgresql running, then why won't it let me telnet to 127.0.0.1 5432? |
| 21:03.45 | jsmith | findlay: It's probably only listening on a UNIX socket |
| 21:03.58 | jsmith | findlay: Check postgresql.conf and see if it's setup to listen via TCP/IP |
| 21:05.12 | findlay | jsmith: that was it |
| 21:05.15 | findlay | but why? |
| 21:05.20 | jsmith | findlay: Security |
| 21:05.51 | jsmith | findlay: Most people use PostgreSQL to feed data to a web app... not exactly the most secure thing to let outside people connect to your DB. |
| 21:05.52 | findlay | but I have an application that runs on the local machine and I guess it wants to connect over tcp |
| 21:06.38 | sjansen | dilvie: Totem keeps chaning its mind about how long your song is. |
| 21:07.06 | dilvie | sjansen: file a bug report. |
| 21:07.11 | dilvie | For the record, it's 5:20 |
| 21:07.11 | jsmith | findlay: Then turn on TCP/IP connections in postgresql.conf and restart it. |
| 21:07.26 | sjansen | dilvie: Not sure I want to. It's kinda humorous to watch. |
| 21:07.30 | jsmith | findlay: Or, have your app connect over a UNIX socket... |
| 21:07.33 | findlay | jsmith: thanks for the help |
| 21:07.40 | jsmith | findlay: No problem... |
| 21:07.43 | findlay | jsmith: yeah, I'll look at that too |
| 21:08.36 | findlay | maybe dilvie's song dynamically changes it's length during playback as an artistic gesture |
| 21:09.55 | dilvie | findlay: back when people would watch tracks play back in trackers I often encoded neat little sample-name animations. |
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| 21:30.02 | jakea | sjansen: Good news, I'm using Ubuntu now (at least at work) |
| 21:31.18 | sjansen | jakea: Ubuntu is _so_ last month. All the kool kids are using GNU/Penguinix now. |
| 21:35.55 | redman1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 21:36.14 | redman1 | that was just on principle mostly, but also for the ubuntu thing |
| 21:37.07 | sjansen | redman1: Ubuntu user, huh? |
| 21:37.16 | flyboy^ | Does ibot keep track of the daily lart rate? |
| 21:37.23 | flyboy^ | I'd like to see an RRD graph on that. |
| 21:37.28 | sjansen | Fedora and I have finally made our peace, but part of me still yearns for Ubuntu. |
| 21:38.10 | redman1 | i was okay with fedora for a while, but as soon as jayce showed me the multiverse and universe in ubuntu, i was hooked. |
| 21:38.35 | dilvie | multiverse and universe? |
| 21:39.03 | findlay | ~lart to increate findlay's lart statistics |
| 21:39.05 | Jayce^ | extended repositories |
| 21:39.23 | findlay | s/t/s/ |
| 21:41.13 | lars-ut | dilvie: multiverse & universe are not to be confused with underverse or metaverse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaverse |
| 21:41.48 | findlay | what about those of us who can't rhyme? |
| 21:41.56 | findlay | or speak in meter? |
| 21:42.08 | findlay | I feel discriminated against |
| 21:42.09 | lars-ut | findlay: there's always iambic pentameter |
| 21:42.34 | lars-ut | or free verse |
| 21:42.47 | findlay | ~discriminate against |
| 21:42.57 | lars-ut | ~rage against |
| 21:43.18 | lars-ut | dataw0lf should be here any moment now |
| 21:44.58 | dilvie | hmm |
| 21:45.06 | lars-ut | I was so close... http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=86955&cid=7551333 |
| 21:45.45 | lars-ut | [How Do You Organize Your Gear?] |
| 21:45.47 | lars-ut | brac! |
| 21:45.48 | brac | lars-ut: 'sup? |
| 21:45.48 | sjansen | universe - Debian unstable packages compiled for Ubuntu, but not officially supported |
| 21:46.25 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: hard |
| 21:46.27 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: drive |
| 21:46.43 | sjansen | multiverse - a larger selection of Debian unstable packages compiled for Ubuntu and not officially supported |
| 21:47.04 | elg | jakea! |
| 21:47.18 | dataw0lf | sjansen: Universe has MOTU |
| 21:47.22 | elg | multiverse includes nonfree stuff is the distinction |
| 21:47.29 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: the 160GB? |
| 21:47.33 | dilvie | hah |
| 21:47.40 | dataw0lf | elg: the distinction is MOTU. |
| 21:47.41 | dilvie | I'll stick with debian. |
| 21:47.50 | elg | MOTU? |
| 21:49.19 | dataw0lf | masters of the universe |
| 21:50.13 | elg | oh, I thought you meant http://www.motu.com/ |
| 21:50.34 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 21:50.43 | dilvie | elg: That was the first thing that popped into my mind, too. |
| 21:51.25 | elg | man I love ginger snaps |
| 21:53.34 | levi | Mmmm, ginger. |
| 21:53.40 | levi | I love most things with ginger in them. |
| 21:53.54 | elg | like gilligan's island? |
| 21:54.31 | *** part/#utah phinux (n=phinux@lead.cs.byu.edu) |
| 21:54.39 | levi | Well, I was thinking more of the food than the character, but hey, she wasn't too bad. |
| 21:55.01 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: yes |
| 21:55.17 | lars-ut | dataw0lF!!!!! |
| 21:56.24 | elg | i preferred maryann |
| 21:59.06 | sjansen | Mrs. Howle |
| 21:59.19 | elg | you just want her money |
| 22:00.59 | sjansen | lars-ut: Nope. Did I get it right? |
| 22:01.07 | lars-ut | nope. Howell |
| 22:01.10 | elg | i thought it was howell |
| 22:01.36 | lars-ut | Lovey Howell |
| 22:06.55 | sjansen | emcnabb: get back to work! |
| 22:07.36 | findlay | ~work |
| 22:07.41 | ibot | work is probably punishment for failing to procrastinate effectively. |
| 22:08.51 | findlay | ibot: work is also \int_A^B F \cdot ds |
| 22:08.52 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of is also \int_A^B F \cdot ds to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so is also \int_A^B F \cdot ds can play bzflag |
| 22:09.39 | findlay | ~work emcnabb |
| 22:09.40 | ibot | ACTION looks over the shoulder of emcnabb to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so emcnabb can play bzflag |
| 22:19.04 | findlay | what should I eat for dinner today? |
| 22:19.13 | findlay | ~eat dinner |
| 22:19.14 | ibot | ACTION eats dinner and falls over dead |
| 22:21.29 | mheath | Thanks. |
| 22:21.39 | mheath | Thats a big incentive to join the "few and the proud" |
| 22:21.51 | mheath | One of those amazing few! They're so responsible! |
| 22:22.04 | mheath | They forgot to pick me up to take me and get my social security card today -.- |
| 22:26.57 | sjansen | http://games.slashdot.org/games/06/05/16/1847229.shtml <-- Too soon? Will there ever be a day that isn't too soon? |
| 22:28.57 | sjansen | ~lart flakey networks |
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| 22:32.05 | sjansen | ~lart flakey networks |
| 22:39.18 | levi | Ahh, mheath's disillusionment has begun. ;) |
| 22:42.56 | sjansen | http://gearlog.com/blogs/gearlog/archive/2006/05/16/11622.aspx |
| 22:46.29 | nick125 | 21/wi3 |
| 22:46.30 | nick125 | err |
| 22:46.39 | RyanE | 22/wi4 |
| 22:48.58 | sjansen | Oo, here's a product idea: Wifi Killer. Tired of your neighbor's using the same channel as you? Toast their hardware remotely! |
| 22:49.14 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:49.42 | nick125 | anyone here up for some bzflag? |
| 23:09.38 | levi | I've got some coworkers here that commute from California and bring in snacks from Trader Joe's and ethnic food shops. |
| 23:09.47 | levi | Mmmmmm. |
| 23:10.16 | levi | Just had some sheep cheese, rye bread, garlic crackers, salami, smoked pork loin, and dark chocolate. |
| 23:11.19 | levi | So good. |
| 23:16.19 | scottj | It was probably mentioned earlier today, but I really can't believe that Apple is able to charge $150 for black paint |
| 23:16.26 | scottj | or black plastic |
| 23:16.33 | nick125 | lol |
| 23:16.42 | *** part/#utah herlo (n=herlo@class1-nat.gurulabs.com) |
| 23:16.54 | elg | i'm not at all surprised. people have been spending exorbitant amounts of money for paint jobs since the ancient days |
| 23:17.21 | elg | cars, boats, chariots, heck even women |
| 23:17.32 | elg | how much does the average woman spend in her lifetime in makeup? |
| 23:17.53 | scottj | so I'd been waiting for this new macbook and I was planning on getting the black one (even got some nice black shure e2gs to match it), but with the cheap video card and 150 for the color, I'm starting to think about a thinkpad or sony..any recommendations on other systems? |
| 23:18.46 | elg | so you're going to change which laptop you want to get based on the available colors? |
| 23:20.41 | scottj | I'm going to consider other laptops because the video card sucks and it's more expensive than previous laptops and I'm not really impressed with the design--yes. |
| 23:21.26 | scottj | I'll probably still get it to avoid bothering with osx86project |
| 23:22.03 | elg | ok, I got the impression you were changing your mind because black cost $150 extra |
| 23:23.45 | scottj | oh, also they digressed from 1 512mb dimm to 2x256 |
| 23:29.05 | levi | Has there been any PLUG list traffic lately? |
| 23:29.10 | levi | I haven't got anything since the 11th. |
| 23:29.50 | levi | scottj: 2x256 is due to the dual-channel memory controller. |
| 23:30.00 | levi | scottj: 2x256 performs better than 1x512 |
| 23:30.38 | elg | you mean apple's not just trying to screw people over?!1! |
| 23:30.41 | scottj | levi, do you know how many slots it has? |
| 23:30.51 | levi | I think it has 2. |
| 23:31.00 | levi | Not sure, though. |
| 23:31.16 | levi | Can't imagine a small laptop having more than 2. |
| 23:31.24 | scottj | so you lose ram when upgrading that when they start full |
| 23:31.49 | levi | Would you rather lose a silly 256MB dimm when you upgrade or lose performance out of the box? |
| 23:32.06 | scottj | lose performance out of the box because 512mb stinks already |
| 23:32.22 | scottj | and I'll upgrade it within a day or two |
| 23:32.42 | levi | Well, they would be stupid to include 1 512MB dimm. |
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| 23:33.25 | scottj | so is it that the memory needs to be identical or just that both slots need to be in use? |
| 23:33.35 | scottj | for good performance? |
| 23:33.48 | levi | I'm not sure, but I imagine they have to be matched pairs. |
| 23:35.07 | levi | Yes, you have to match your dimms to get dual channel mode activation. |
| 23:36.26 | levi | They don't have to be the same brand, same timing spec, or same DDR speed. The speed will be negotiated to the slowest of your DIMMs. |
| 23:36.27 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, how many seconds until you ship off? |
| 23:37.28 | flyboy^ | dimm, as in dimm-witted? dimm memory thangs? dimm dar sticks o' plastic? dimm... tard? we got dimm working? dimm can remember stuff sometimes? |
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| 23:38.09 | flyboy^ | dimm is guuud fur nutin' unless ya gots two. |
| 23:39.07 | levi | scottj: The MacBook prices look pretty darn good to me, considering how much better the hardware is than the previous iBooks and how similar the price is to them. |
| 23:39.21 | levi | Screens are bigger, much faster CPU, etc. |
| 23:39.59 | scottj | levi, yeah, I'm just a whinner |
| 23:40.11 | levi | But if running OS X is not a big motivator, certainly shop around and get what you want. |
| 23:40.36 | scottj | anyone know if you could upgrade the hdd on your own on the old ibooks? |
| 23:40.51 | scottj | ..easily.. |
| 23:40.55 | elg | on your own... that depends on your level of courage |
| 23:41.13 | elg | I tried to take mine apart to make sure there wasn't a piece of the power adapter inside. not exactly easy |
| 23:41.18 | elg | and you'd have to do that to get to the hdd |
| 23:41.43 | elg | i got it enough apart to convince myself all was good, but never did get it all the way apart |
| 23:41.53 | levi | I successfully changed the hd in my Sony Picturebook. The iBook couldn't be /that/ much worse. ;) |
| 23:42.08 | elg | he's probably right :) |
| 23:42.10 | scottj | levi, the pros come with only 1 512mb dimm |
| 23:42.53 | levi | scottj: From what I understand, the 2 dimms has something to do with dual-channel memory and the shared graphics RAM. |
| 23:43.06 | levi | The pros don't have shared graphics RAM, IIRC. |
| 23:43.50 | levi | The information I heard could have been incorrect, though. |
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