| 00:41.35 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone wanna help me with my Romeo and Juliet HW? |
| 00:55.56 | QBFreak | any suggestions on a linux compatible FM tuner for the PC? |
| 01:12.33 | xbmodder_lappy | get a walkman |
| 01:12.50 | xbmodder_lappy | & a cheap-o sound card |
| 01:13.44 | QBFreak | yeah, but then I have to build an interface for it |
| 01:13.57 | QBFreak | I want to be able to tune it with the remote |
| 01:14.18 | QBFreak | I suppose I should mention what I'm doing: http://qbfreak.net/twiki/Blog/BlogEntry3 |
| 01:14.32 | QBFreak | ignore the bad title, it was late when I wrote it :) |
| 01:17.01 | QBFreak | I need to get some plexiglass tomorrow to rebuild the rear of the stereo, I really don't feel like hacking up the metal sheet with a dremel |
| 01:17.39 | xbmodder_lappy | ooh, make a remote that runs linux |
| 01:20.25 | QBFreak | now you're confusing me |
| 01:21.33 | QBFreak | I'm making a linux-based multimedia (just audio currently) PC inside of an ailing stereo, I have or have ordered everything I need to make it work except for an FM tuner |
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| 02:01.04 | levi_ | maquis: I've got plenty of bread recipes that don't require milk. |
| 02:01.32 | levi_ | maquis: It's times like this that you need a can of powdered milk from the cannery handy, though. |
| 02:03.07 | maquis | levi_: yeah... that would've been useful |
| 02:03.13 | maquis | this bread turned out quite well... |
| 02:03.45 | maquis | i got the recipe out of our home ward relief society cookbook |
| 02:06.16 | levi_ | Ahh, cool. |
| 02:06.21 | levi_ | What else was in the recipe? |
| 02:07.08 | levi_ | Personally, I'm fond of bread that's just flour, water, and yeast. It can be surprisingly yummy, depending on how you make it. |
| 02:09.26 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.44 | mheath | Plain white rolls, with lots of butter. Mmmm. |
| 02:10.16 | levi_ | Well, I'm also a fan of brioche. |
| 02:11.20 | mheath | Brioche? I'm not familiar with that. |
| 02:11.45 | bertbob | bread needs salt too, although milk is not necessary. salt shortens the gluten, and makes it bake more brown than orange. milk also helps browining |
| 02:12.14 | maquis | levi_: it was flour, water, salt and yeast :) |
| 02:12.16 | mheath | Does anyone have any suggestions on what I could ask my dad to get me as a graduation gift? |
| 02:12.46 | mheath | In the past, he'd financed a senior trip for my sister and brother; But, I'm leaving in a few weeks, and so I don't think I can take the time off work (then leave work for good a couple weeks after) |
| 02:12.52 | maquis | mheath: that's an interesting question, as most ideas won't be much use to you... |
| 02:12.59 | mheath | Yeah |
| 02:13.06 | bertbob | flack jacket? |
| 02:13.09 | maquis | money's always useful... |
| 02:13.23 | mheath | I'd like a laptop, but I realize that I won't be able to use it at ALL for around 6 months, and after that (if even then) it will be limited |
| 02:13.27 | levi_ | A nice watch? |
| 02:13.37 | mheath | maquis, I owe him money =P |
| 02:13.52 | maquis | mheath: debt cancellation? :) |
| 02:14.02 | mheath | Haha. Too much money. |
| 02:15.07 | mheath | I'm tempted to ask for a laptop, like I said, but I don't know. |
| 02:15.18 | mheath | Wouldn't be much use for very long. |
| 02:15.31 | levi | Ask for a nice dress watch. It'll last longer, and you'll get more use out of it. |
| 02:16.16 | mheath | levi, not really. |
| 02:16.27 | levi | Eh? |
| 02:16.40 | mheath | I won't get to wear it at all for 3 months, then I'll be spending most of my time in BDU's either training or over in Iraq. |
| 02:16.41 | tensai | my salmon is a smoking |
| 02:17.03 | maquis | tensai: mmmm |
| 02:17.35 | tensai | maquis: I hope so. I had to freeze it because of my sudden trip to cheyenne. it's got a little freezer burn it looks like. |
| 02:17.35 | levi | mheath: Well, assuming you don't die, that will be but a small portion of your life, and watches don't go obsolete. |
| 02:18.40 | mheath | I just saw a Marine Corp recruiting ad on TV |
| 02:18.44 | levi | tensai: I want to get one of those vacuum sealer things so the things I freeze don't get burnt so fast. |
| 02:18.44 | mheath | I haven't seen one of those in ages |
| 02:19.03 | mheath | It sends shivers up my spine seeing those Marines in their dress blues |
| 02:19.20 | mheath | Executing an Order Arms with their swords |
| 02:19.21 | tensai | levi: I have one. they work pretty well. frankly I'm just a bit too lazy to use it. |
| 02:21.37 | bertbob | tomorrow the falcon chicks should start hatching in the nest box on the old Hotel Utah |
| 02:22.05 | bertbob | now affectionately known as the joseph smith memorial building |
| 02:22.05 | mheath | How much would a used tablet PC cost? |
| 02:22.18 | levi | Cool. I saw the falcon watcher people out there last year. |
| 02:22.39 | bertbob | I hear they have four eggs this year |
| 02:24.54 | bertbob | so in four weeks or so they should start learning to fly...which is when the volunteers are needed to watch them |
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| 02:37.15 | levi | Sounds about right. |
| 02:38.03 | levi | They were out on June 30th last year, which was when my wife and I saw them as we finished dinner at Martine for our anniversary. |
| 02:44.03 | levi | Wow, this 3 year old kid is playing violin in front of a huge audience. |
| 02:44.38 | maquis | levi: ?? |
| 02:44.40 | levi | His technical skill needs a bit of improvement, but he's got the entire thing memorized. Crazy. |
| 02:44.52 | levi | Some classical music concert on KUED. |
| 02:45.01 | maquis | interesting |
| 02:46.30 | levi | The concert is by this guy named Andre Rieu, who's coming to the E Center in November. |
| 02:47.03 | levi | Apparently Andre met the kid during a concert in Berlin last Christmas and his dream was to play with him. |
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| 02:49.49 | maquis | that's impressive |
| 02:59.20 | mheath | I saw an amazing kid the other day, but a bit more modern tastes. |
| 02:59.48 | mheath | One of my teacher's has a nephew who's 6 years old, and been able to do amazing break dancing since he was around 4. It blows your mind watching him do this. |
| 03:01.23 | bertbob | for US voters who are against software patents: http://www.petitiononline.com/pasp01/ |
| 03:01.24 | brac | [Petition Against Software Patents Petition] |
| 03:01.48 | tensai | levi: you inspired me to have baked potatoes tonight |
| 03:01.57 | levi | tensai: How'd they turn out? |
| 03:02.44 | mheath | I enjoy free software, and prefer it over other forms, but what gives people the right to steal something someone has worked hard on, and wishes to make money with in a particular way? |
| 03:03.04 | mheath | I'm sorry, but calling for getting rid of all software patents just seems absurd. Am I missing something? |
| 03:03.07 | tensai | levi: good. I went with the foil wrap. next time we'll try joe's method, as that's what my wife prefers |
| 03:03.31 | levi | Man, they're so much better without the foil. :) |
| 03:04.13 | tensai | had broccoli and white rolls. quite a vegetarian meal although it wasn't intended as such. |
| 03:04.51 | maquis | baked potatoes without foil? |
| 03:05.12 | mheath | maquis, you act like its a necessity. |
| 03:05.14 | levi | maquis: Baked potatoes should never have foil. |
| 03:05.17 | mheath | I never really noticed much of a difference. |
| 03:05.23 | tensai | blog.josephhall.com/2006/05/bakers-delight.html |
| 03:06.46 | mheath | Can anyone recommend something really nice and yummy to barbecue? |
| 03:06.57 | mheath | We're doing a little party for my birthday in 4 weeks |
| 03:07.23 | mheath | Kind of a birthday party + farewell party, since I'm not certain when I'm leaving yet. |
| 03:07.28 | tensai | mheath: patents are not an inalienable right. if you feel that being able to restrict who can implement certain naturally occurring mathematical procedures is worth doing, that's fair. but don't pretend that it's Wrong(tm) to oppose patents. |
| 03:07.32 | levi | mheath: BBQ, or grill? |
| 03:08.16 | mheath | levi, never been sure of the distinction. It's a covered lid, propane. Metal grill. |
| 03:08.23 | mheath | Not sure what that qualifies as. |
| 03:08.36 | tensai | mheath: http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_11125,00.html |
| 03:08.37 | brac | [Recipes : Who Loves Ya Baby-Back? : Food Network] |
| 03:08.39 | levi | BBQ is a slow cooking method, grilling is high-heat, quick cooking. |
| 03:09.02 | levi | You BBQ things like ribs, you grill steaks and chicken and stuff. |
| 03:09.11 | levi | I'm partial to a good grilled steak, myself. |
| 03:09.22 | mheath | tensai, I'm not going to argue that mathematical concepts and such should be patented. I can agree that that is wrong. |
| 03:09.27 | tensai | oh, yeah. you mean grill. how about pizza? |
| 03:09.48 | mheath | What bothers me is, a lot of peoples opinons on that topic tend to be "Oh, boo. I like they way THEY do it, and I don't want to pay for it. DOWN WITH PATENTS!" |
| 03:09.56 | mheath | Thats exagerating a bit, but I'ms ure you can understand what I mean. |
| 03:09.57 | maquis | levi: do you just put them in alone or do you wrap them with something else? |
| 03:10.14 | maquis | at home we always did it with foil... my roommates like to put them in alone... |
| 03:10.15 | tensai | mheath: that's what we're talking about. one of the best examples is the RSA patent which covers modulo arithmatic, plain and simple. |
| 03:10.37 | levi | maquis: Alone, but rubbed with olive oil and seasonings. |
| 03:10.41 | maquis | ah |
| 03:10.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 03:10.51 | maquis | doesn't that drip inside the oven? |
| 03:10.53 | mheath | tensai, A little more conventional, I think. Right now, I have some nice ribeyes I'm looking to grill. |
| 03:11.09 | maquis | (we've had a lot of problems with drips in our oven causing the oven to smoke horridly) |
| 03:11.09 | levi | maquis: Not if you put foil on the rack beneath them. |
| 03:11.13 | maquis | oh |
| 03:11.15 | maquis | ok |
| 03:11.18 | maquis | that makes sense, i guess |
| 03:11.28 | mheath | Last summer, I grilled some corn on the cob. That turned out delcious..... |
| 03:11.34 | mheath | Way better than boiled |
| 03:11.36 | levi | Grilled corn is really good. |
| 03:11.40 | tensai | mheath: grill up some veggies too. green peppers, corn, eggplant, portabella mushrooms |
| 03:11.55 | mheath | What is eggplant like? |
| 03:12.03 | mheath | I don't think I've ever had eggplant in my life. |
| 03:12.05 | levi | I've only had eggplant parmesan. |
| 03:12.13 | mheath | Oooh, this reminds me |
| 03:12.21 | mheath | I grilled some fresh salmon last year |
| 03:12.29 | tensai | japanese love to grill it. as far as eggplant goes, it's a good way to prepare it. I'm not a big fan though. |
| 03:12.30 | levi | It's really good, but there's so much tomato and herbs in it I'm not sure what the eggplant tastes like. :) |
| 03:12.33 | mheath | Just using an odd assortment of spices from our cabinet |
| 03:12.35 | mheath | it turned out AMAZING |
| 03:12.45 | bertbob | mheath software is protected by copyright. you shouldn't be able to patent ideas and concepts |
| 03:12.45 | mheath | and grilling it...it was perfect |
| 03:13.15 | mheath | Thats one of those things that I kinda played with and invented....and afterwards, wished I written down the steps/recipe |
| 03:13.36 | mheath | bertbob, Let me ask you this |
| 03:13.46 | mheath | Say I own Giant Software, Inc |
| 03:14.01 | tensai | bertbob: my biggest gripe about patenting software is that the patent is to encourage you to share you invention knowing somebody can't just rip you off wholesale. but source code for patented software is rarely released. |
| 03:14.15 | bertbob | patents MUST be public |
| 03:14.30 | mheath | We pump millions of dollars into designing some aspect of our user interface, to make it perfect. |
| 03:14.30 | bertbob | it's part of the process |
| 03:14.39 | maquis | mmmm.. eggplant... |
| 03:14.40 | mheath | We patent some quality of this new and advanced user interface |
| 03:14.47 | maquis | kashke badenjaan.... |
| 03:15.19 | mheath | Are you saying thats wrong, requesting government protection from people who want to rip off this thing we've put millions of dollars into? |
| 03:15.30 | levi | Mmmm, Habanera from Carmen. |
| 03:15.31 | bertbob | trade secrets and copyright are what you are looking for, not patents. can I patent the sum of 1 and 2? |
| 03:15.59 | maquis | mheath: i don't think software patents are necessarily a horrible thing, but i'd say that the way that they've been used so far is |
| 03:16.04 | levi | mheath: In a word, yes. |
| 03:16.13 | mheath | bertbob, Copyright can protect my source code. |
| 03:16.21 | mheath | It stops you from COPYING my source code |
| 03:16.33 | bertbob | patents are meant to encourage innovation, not stifle it |
| 03:16.35 | mheath | IT does not protect unique and new ideas that are implemented in that source code. |
| 03:17.06 | mheath | bertbob, yes, by protecting your write to control and earn money off of your inventions. |
| 03:17.12 | QBFreak | the problem is too many things are getting patented as new and unique |
| 03:17.16 | QBFreak | that aren't |
| 03:17.32 | mheath | QBFreak, I can agree with that, completely. |
| 03:17.46 | maquis | mheath: is an algorithm a completely new and unique idea? |
| 03:18.01 | mheath | maquis, <mheath> tensai, I'm not going to argue that mathematical concepts and such should be patented. I can agree that that is wrong. |
| 03:18.10 | bertbob | you don't patent the idea, you patent the substantiation of the idea, the gadget |
| 03:18.56 | mheath | bertbob, officially, yes, but you are protecting the idea. |
| 03:19.27 | bertbob | is you could patent the idea then building a better mouse trap would be useless because the idea of trapping mice would be patented and not available for anyone else to use |
| 03:19.28 | tensai | the idea of removing the hull from cotton is not patentable. the invention to do so, the cotton gin, is. |
| 03:20.09 | mheath | You took what I said too literally. A specific way of doing something; An idea relating to a solution. |
| 03:20.22 | mheath | Not an abstract, simplified answer |
| 03:20.32 | mheath | Anyway, its time to go install Ubuntu. |
| 03:20.33 | mheath | BBIAB |
| 03:22.12 | tensai | maquis: bust out the short shorts and the tank tops :) |
| 03:22.24 | bertbob | go to the mountains |
| 03:22.51 | levi | Find friends with a boat and waterski. |
| 03:25.48 | maquis | lol |
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| 04:13.30 | levi | My brother hasn't called my mom. :( |
| 04:14.06 | levi | I don't know if he even knows he's an uncle now. |
| 04:16.50 | levi | He makes himself totally unavailable. |
| 04:17.15 | levi | Won't answer his cell phone, doesn't check his email, doesn't answer his work phone, and doesn't answer his door. |
| 04:17.44 | levi | I alternate between being worried about him and being really ticked off at him. |
| 04:18.20 | emcnabb | that stinks |
| 04:18.52 | QBFreak | "Dear Mr. Levi's Brother, We are writing to inform you that you have won our sweepstakes! To claim your prize simply call us at <levi's phone number)." |
| 04:18.58 | emcnabb | is he just that way, or are there problems that are causing him to be that way all of the sudden (i.e. drugs, etc) |
| 04:19.04 | emcnabb | ? |
| 04:19.27 | levi | emcnabb: Well, he's just that way to some degree, but there may be some other reason he's cut himself off even more completely lately. |
| 04:20.05 | levi | But he's 25 now, for goodness sake. |
| 04:29.24 | maquis | levi: that really sucks |
| 04:29.48 | maquis | i have an uncle that's kinda like that too... we hear from him when he needs money... but other than that.... |
| 04:37.06 | tensai | my salmon is almost done, which begs the question, what do I do with it? |
| 04:37.16 | maquis | tensai: give it to me |
| 04:37.20 | maquis | i'll find some good uses for it :) |
| 04:39.08 | levi | Eat it, of course. :) |
| 04:40.41 | maquis | tensai: it's good on bagels with cream cheese |
| 04:40.43 | maquis | or just plain |
| 04:40.50 | maquis | or in pasta |
| 04:40.57 | maquis | my dad does it in pasta with a light white sauce |
| 04:41.02 | maquis | i'm not exactly sure how he makes it |
| 04:41.17 | maquis | i put it with pasta, some italian herbs and olive oil |
| 04:41.26 | maquis | it's pretty good that way |
| 04:41.39 | maquis | or you can put it on little bauguettes (and ditch the cream cheese) |
| 04:41.41 | maquis | or... |
| 04:41.53 | maquis | if spr was here, he'd probably have more ideas |
| 04:42.20 | maquis | pretty much, just come up with some tasty ways to eat it |
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| 06:04.36 | nick125_lappy | mm.. |
| 06:04.43 | nick125_lappy | e17 uses alot of resoulrces |
| 06:04.47 | nick125_lappy | *resources |
| 06:04.55 | nick125_lappy | in twm, I get 160fps in glxgears |
| 06:05.01 | nick125_lappy | in e17, I get 30fps |
| 06:05.12 | xbmodder_lappy | btw: nick125_lappy tried drugs for the first time today ;- |
| 06:05.14 | xbmodder_lappy | ) |
| 06:05.39 | nick125_lappy | so, hows the django code comign along then? |
| 06:27.34 | findlay | I just want to say thank you to everyone for filling up my irssi log with meaningless banter that I'll never read |
| 06:27.58 | findlay | heh |
| 06:28.02 | findlay | enlightenment |
| 06:28.04 | findlay | whatever |
| 06:28.24 | findlay | drugs are stupid |
| 06:33.07 | tensai | maquis: put some on a samich. yum, yum, yummy. |
| 06:33.31 | levi | findlay: Hi. |
| 06:33.52 | levi | tensai: Mmm, sammich. Kinda late to be eating, eh? |
| 06:34.18 | tensai | kinda late to be smoking, but you can't expect me to just put it in the fridge |
| 06:34.58 | levi | I'm sure it'd taste about the same after being refrigerated and warmed again. |
| 06:35.17 | levi | But I understand the predicament. |
| 06:35.27 | tensai | had to make sure it was even worth saving |
| 06:35.36 | levi | I often finished bread baking projects late at night. |
| 06:35.39 | tensai | I hope you're right about tasting the same |
| 06:36.17 | tensai | indeed. been there myself. I suppose that's why bakers get up at the crack of dawn. |
| 06:36.17 | levi | And, of course, you must eat bread when it's freshly made. |
| 06:36.33 | tensai | waiting for it to cool is intolerable |
| 06:36.47 | levi | Yeah, especially when the smell of fresh bread fills the house. |
| 06:37.33 | nick125 | damn.. |
| 06:37.41 | tensai | unfortunately this only makes me want a larger smoker all that much more |
| 06:37.49 | nick125 | some guy thats playing on my bzflag server is getting freaking 1600ms and such |
| 06:40.49 | levi | I made some nutty carmel baked brie the other night, but I could only eat a little, so there's a bunch of it sitting in the fridge. |
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| 14:43.31 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 14:45.19 | sjansen | RoR++ |
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| 14:45.32 | sjansen | ~RoR |
| 14:45.50 | sjansen | ibot: RoR is Ruby on Rails |
| 14:45.52 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 14:47.32 | sjansen | ibot: RoR is also the best thing since tomatoes, onion, lime and cilantro |
| 14:47.33 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 14:48.16 | sjansen | ~punish elg |
| 14:48.18 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to install and use Windows |
| 14:48.30 | sjansen | ibot: Make hime use PHP too! |
| 14:48.31 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `hime use PHP too!'. Stop. |
| 14:48.56 | sjansen | Fine, I'll do it myself. |
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| 14:49.52 | elg | noooooo |
| 14:49.52 | redman1 | whoa. that's a bit harsh this early in the morning, isn't it? |
| 14:50.52 | sjansen | Hell hath no fury... |
| 14:53.41 | tensai | redman1: pong |
| 14:54.03 | redman1 | tensai: dude, that food looks pretty dang good |
| 14:56.12 | maquis | -lart comcast |
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| 14:59.13 | tensai | redman1: it was. it will be for lunch today too. |
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| 15:02.37 | synic | anyone use svncommand.vim ? |
| 15:03.37 | maquis | synic: no, but the name makes me think it sounds like something useful.. |
| 15:04.04 | synic | yeah... me too. I just can't get it to work right. |
| 15:07.44 | ^Migs^ | ~RoR |
| 15:07.46 | ibot | i heard ror is Ruby on Rails, or the best thing since tomatoes, onion, lime and cilantro |
| 15:09.23 | redman1 | wait a minute... does that imply that there's something better in this world than salsa? and that it's ruby on rails? |
| 15:10.07 | flyboy^ | No. Just the raw ingredients. |
| 15:10.18 | flyboy^ | If it had solid UTF support, then it would be good as salsa. :) |
| 15:11.01 | redman1 | i find it hard to believe that there are many things in this world better than salsa |
| 15:11.11 | ^Migs^ | not many. Just RoR. |
| 15:11.29 | redman1 | i find that especially difficult to believe |
| 15:11.32 | flyboy^ | No, just RoR with Unicode fixes. As it exists - it's only as good as unmade salsa. |
| 15:12.30 | flyboy^ | Ruby, in general, is interesting. It's worth a look. But chances are you aren't going to drop your current language to use it exclusivly. |
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| 15:13.43 | flyboy^ | One thing I like about RoRs though is that it is realitivly easy to follow a lazy programmer. |
| 15:13.56 | flyboy^ | By design, you write good design by being lazy. You have to work at it to screw it up. |
| 15:14.16 | bertbob | besides salsa isn't salsa with some member of the capsicum family |
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| 15:15.07 | redman1 | i don't know that i believe that. whole most of my salsas have had chiles, not all of them had |
| 15:15.34 | redman1 | i was particularly fond of a mediterranian salsa i made once as part of a dish for a wedding i was doing |
| 15:17.03 | bertbob | I won't argue but I won't agree either |
| 15:17.50 | redman1 | wait. that one might have had pimento in it. if it didn't, it should have. that would make it pretty good. |
| 15:18.30 | redman1 | http://blacknothing.com/photos/anitawedding/CucumberCups.jpg |
| 15:18.40 | redman1 | i bet some crumbled feta would have gone well with it too |
| 15:19.13 | emcnabb | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8118316803396050350 |
| 15:20.45 | bertbob | 130 salsa recipes: http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/bin/table_of_contents.cgi?salsa |
| 15:20.49 | brac | [Clay's Kitchen : Salsa Recipes] |
| 15:20.56 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/friends/Paintball/DesertEdge/Triathalon/IMG_6669.jpg |
| 15:20.57 | brac | [Viewing /gallery/friends/Paintball/DesertEdge/Triathalon/IMG_6669.jpg at 426 x 640] |
| 15:21.59 | redman1 | bertbob: then again, i'm of the opinion that there's very few things in this world that wouldn't benefit from the addition of chiles |
| 15:22.00 | ^Migs^ | haha, emcnabb |
| 15:22.16 | Jayce^ | notice the ball heading right towards his face |
| 15:22.33 | maquis | Jayce^: nice |
| 15:23.59 | maquis | emcnabb: lol |
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| 15:32.06 | redman1 | bertbob: no chiles in this one: http://www.panix.com/~clay/cookbook/bin/show_recipe.cgi?salsa+recipe273 |
| 15:32.07 | brac | [Clay's Kitchen : Salsa Recipes] |
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| 15:33.23 | bertbob | nope and it just doesn't seem right somehow |
| 15:35.13 | bertbob | more like a chutney than a salsa |
| 15:36.29 | herlo | my bag arrived sat night |
| 15:37.16 | nick125 | herlo: cool :) |
| 15:40.54 | herlo | yeah I spent the night w/out any clean clothes |
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| 15:43.06 | herlo | good luck man |
| 15:44.04 | nick125 | thanks.. |
| 15:44.06 | redman1 | bertbob: i'm going to have to agree with you. except aren't chutnies usually cooked? they're supposed to be kind of a relish |
| 15:44.19 | sjansen | herlo: bummer |
| 15:44.48 | redman1 | bertbob: there's another recipe on there that looks like it would make a good compote, were it cooked. again, no chiles. |
| 15:44.56 | sjansen | As bcroft has said, there's two types of luggage: carry-on and lost. |
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| 15:46.35 | redman1 | sjansen: ain't that the truth. delta managed to lose three pieces of luggage for me on the same trip once, one on the way to salt lake and two on the way back to boston |
| 15:48.28 | herlo | Sad part is that I did carry on |
| 15:48.54 | herlo | but us air made me valet it even though I was in 1st class |
| 15:51.05 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 15:51.24 | herlo | ibot: kill us air |
| 15:51.31 | ibot | ACTION shoots a inverse fluxelectron gun at us air |
| 15:55.42 | sjansen | herlo: Wow. That's an accomplishment. |
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| 16:00.04 | bertbob | redman1 I suppose the literal translation of salsa is sauce so it's a matter of definition as much as anything |
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| 16:17.19 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:24.43 | ^Migs^ | The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the male's head off. ("Honey, I'm home. What the...?!?!") |
| 16:25.03 | ^Migs^ | how tf did that species evolve? |
| 16:26.54 | tristanbob_ | ^Migs^: link? |
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| 16:31.09 | ^Migs^ | http://www.pagetutor.com/jokebreak/091.html |
| 16:31.10 | brac | [Jokes: Some Little Known Facts] |
| 16:32.04 | ^Migs^ | half of what is usually on pages called "little known facts" is untruth :) |
| 16:32.09 | sjansen | http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_007 |
| 16:32.10 | brac | [The Straight Dope: Does Mrs. Mantis bite Mr. Mantis's head off during The |
| 16:32.10 | brac | Act?] |
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| 16:41.00 | ^Migs^ | http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/mantis1.htm |
| 16:41.02 | brac | [Urban Legends Reference Pages: Critter Country (Preymates)] |
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| 17:39.53 | lars-ut | ~emulate gaz |
| 17:39.54 | ibot | Let it be known that from this day, until the end of the day, vengeance will be mine. Dib, you will not know the meaning of peace, for I shall rain misery down upon your pizza stealing heart! |
| 17:47.16 | obfuscated | you guys see the free skypeout thing on digg? |
| 17:47.25 | obfuscated | I may just get rid of my vonage now |
| 17:48.07 | obfuscated | Just get one of these for $50 and you have the equivalent: |
| 17:48.08 | obfuscated | http://us.accessories.skype.com/direct/skypeusa/itemdetl.jsp?prod=3071 |
| 17:48.13 | brac | [Skype Accessories] |
| 17:48.26 | obfuscated | I wonder what the quality is like compared to Vonage |
| 17:50.02 | mrpull- | digg isn't showing any new articles in bloglines... odd |
| 17:51.06 | obfuscated | I wonder if Skype offers 911 service |
| 17:51.18 | obfuscated | don't they have to? |
| 17:52.50 | obfuscated | mrpull-: http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2006/05/free_calls_to_all_landlines_an.html |
| 17:53.33 | mrpull- | the "free until the end of the year" part makes me wonder what their plans are |
| 17:53.42 | obfuscated | yeah - that got me curious too |
| 17:53.52 | obfuscated | but at least I get free phone service for most of the year |
| 17:54.11 | mrpull- | I need to turn off dialtone on my home phone line |
| 17:54.14 | obfuscated | I think I'll only do it if they offer 911 |
| 17:54.31 | mrpull- | if I only trusted qwest to not screw up the order |
| 17:55.48 | mrpull- | anybody else use naked dsl? |
| 17:57.51 | ^Migs^ | I sometimes use my DSL when I'm naked. Does that count? |
| 17:59.44 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: i'd... say.... no... |
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| 18:13.10 | sjansen | I'd say Too Much Information(tm). |
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| 18:13.54 | tensai | obfuscated: if they do 911 I'd be really surprised |
| 18:14.29 | tensai | mrpull-: I *support* a lot of naked dsl, but I don't have the luxury of using it yet |
| 18:20.27 | ^Migs^ | naked DSL would require a lot of *support* |
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| 18:31.00 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: why would naked DSL require more support than standard DSL? |
| 18:31.12 | tensai | I've got /, /home, /var and /usr mounted with "usrquota". I'd like to turn that off for /var. Anybody know if that's possible without unmounting? |
| 18:32.07 | tensai | mrpull-: it doesn't. in fact, there's one less piece of equipment to worry about (splitting dialtone and dsl) |
| 18:33.02 | mrpull- | i suppose it could be a headache if the customer didn't have a cell phone to call for support... but otherwise I think it would be simpler as well |
| 18:33.25 | tensai | that's no worse than trying to fix dialup issues |
| 18:36.56 | bertbob | tensai have you tried quotaoff /var or something like that? |
| 18:38.35 | bertbob | or perhaps quotaoff <filesystem of /var> |
| 18:38.46 | tensai | bertbob: ooh, that looks promising |
| 18:40.08 | tensai | "user quota on /var (/dev/sdb2) is off" |
| 18:40.13 | tensai | bertbob: sweet! |
| 18:40.41 | tensai | btw, I used quotaoff /var |
| 18:45.31 | *** topic/#utah by lars-ut -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || X-Men 3 event cancelled || LUG BBQ http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
| 18:46.05 | lars-ut | Between the slowness of Megaplex 17 & DevUtah dragging its feet in response I've decided to cancel the X-Men 3 midnight showing. |
| 18:46.52 | lars-ut | sorry about that folks. |
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| 18:47.45 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
| 18:49.27 | lars-ut | It's my hope that the next time I try to arrange buying out a theater for a midnight showing things will come together more smoothly. |
| 18:49.45 | bertbob | looks a bit like Niles Steiner's Valve actuated synthesizer |
| 18:50.14 | *** topic/#utah by lars-ut -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || X-Men 3 midnight showing cancelled || LUG BBQ http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
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| 18:56.09 | xbmodder_ppc | hey |
| 18:56.24 | xbmodder_ppc | i got a windows based thing finally |
| 18:57.15 | xbmodder_ppc | i am bored |
| 18:57.34 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 18:58.26 | xbmodder_ppc | <^Migs^> whats up? |
| 18:59.34 | xbmodder_ppc | nooo no wireless dreading anti wifi paint |
| 19:02.02 | ^Migs^ | I'm starting to think my co-worker who claims 10 years of Java experience is a little ignorant on some aspects |
| 19:02.45 | amcnabb | I was just looking at the summer BBQ page. |
| 19:02.52 | amcnabb | It doesn't look like very many people have signed up. |
| 19:03.22 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 19:03.26 | Jayce^ | slackers |
| 19:10.37 | tensai | well I could sign up, but that wouldn't help much in the long run |
| 19:11.33 | Jayce^ | tensai, just drive down, I've come up your way after all |
| 19:12.03 | redman1 | tensai: that reminds me, where in idaho are you? we're heading up to boise in a couple of weeks |
| 19:12.18 | tensai | I've thought about it. I'd have to find something else to do there to justify the trip. |
| 19:12.26 | tensai | redman1: idaho falls. not exactly on the way |
| 19:12.40 | redman1 | well, shoot. oh well. |
| 19:13.04 | redman1 | i think it's boise that we're going to. i'm note entirely sure tho. |
| 19:13.10 | Jayce^ | and a half |
| 19:14.22 | redman1 | my bad, we're going to idaho falls |
| 19:15.24 | tensai | wow, really. I thought only crazies driving up to their anti-government compounds in the woods came through here. |
| 19:15.50 | tensai | redman1: what for? |
| 19:15.52 | redman1 | we have a friend that's a welder on a gov contract up there, and we've been promising to visit |
| 19:15.58 | Jayce^ | tensai, yeah, that's what it's for.. |
| 19:16.07 | redman1 | and when i say we, i mean my wife has been promising them and pressuring me |
| 19:16.24 | Jayce^ | redman1, INEL? |
| 19:16.44 | redman1 | INEL? |
| 19:16.52 | tensai | that would be INL, nee INEEL, nee INEL |
| 19:17.12 | redman1 | oh. dunno, couldn't tell you. maybe. |
| 19:17.50 | tensai | idaho national laboratory. nuclear research and such. |
| 19:18.37 | Jayce^ | mm, leftover dutch over chicken and sauce |
| 19:19.26 | redman1 | yeah, i don't know where he's welding at. |
| 19:19.52 | Jayce^ | he should be working for A&R welding, if he's in ID :) |
| 19:20.20 | redman1 | dude, he's the wife's friend. i don't know him all that well. |
| 19:20.43 | redman1 | Jayce^: he was one of the other kilted ones at our reception tho, so you probably saw him |
| 19:20.52 | Jayce^ | I'll tell your wife that :) |
| 19:23.31 | sjansen | tensai: You can edit the /etc/fstab then "mount -o remount /var". |
| 19:23.48 | sjansen | It'll do a hot reconfigure. |
| 19:25.08 | tensai | sjansen: turns out the usrquota mount option is a no-op that the quota tools actually use. quotaoff was correct, then I had to remove /var/aquota.user. |
| 19:25.21 | tensai | sjansen: so remounting worked fine, but doesn't actually change the quotas |
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| 19:26.16 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 19:26.38 | ^Migs^ | my wife woke me up around 1:30 last night. She couldn't sleep, and wanted to talk about stuff. I don't even remember what she was talking about. |
| 19:27.34 | sjansen | tensai: I could swear I've done a quotaon on a filesystem that was mounted without quotaon and it refused to enable quotas... maybe not. |
| 19:29.59 | tensai | sjansen: not sure. it may be required by the quota tools, but mount doesn't do anything with it aside from list it as an applied option |
| 20:09.11 | findlay | ibot: why ibot, why? |
| 20:09.26 | findlay | ~make sense |
| 20:09.28 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop. |
| 20:09.44 | QBFreak | ibot: you're senseless! |
| 20:17.03 | findlay | does mod_perl-2.0 work with apache-1.3? |
| 20:18.05 | redman1 | lars-ut: you get yer stuff? |
| 20:18.14 | Jayce^ | excellent |
| 20:18.21 | Jayce^ | findlay, no.. |
| 20:18.40 | lars-ut | redman1: not yet, but thank you! don't worry about the $2 btw |
| 20:18.54 | redman1 | cool |
| 20:19.09 | Jayce^ | lars-ut, you just doubled his net value |
| 20:19.24 | redman1 | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:19.26 | findlay | great |
| 20:19.32 | lars-ut | redman1: consider it a s/h charge for lugging stuff over from the UK in a cooler |
| 20:19.48 | redman1 | i guess that works for me man |
| 20:20.04 | redman1 | i found the cookies at pirate o's too, btw |
| 20:20.25 | redman1 | kid movies? like.... jaws? |
| 20:20.34 | lars-ut | rated G fare |
| 20:20.44 | redman1 | oh. what's jaws rated? |
| 20:20.47 | findlay | Emporer's New Groove |
| 20:21.01 | lars-ut | as opposed to showing the latest Harry Potter to 3-year olds |
| 20:21.17 | findlay | unless Disney and the MPAA cohorts descend on us in 5 minutes |
| 20:21.52 | lars-ut | findlay: I think you just said something, but I couldn't make it out - must be some weird type of latency on freenode |
| 20:22.39 | findlay | maybe I'm just losing packets |
| 20:22.47 | lars-ut | there ya' go. |
| 20:23.02 | redman1 | man, i know people like that |
| 20:23.12 | redman1 | lost packets and all |
| 20:23.28 | findlay | nah, I'm not too worried |
| 20:24.22 | findlay | what are some of the tools that are used to dynamically generate iptables tables? |
| 20:25.11 | macnewbold | perl, sed, awk, grep, lsof |
| 20:25.42 | findlay | I'm just trying to figure out how this box does it, so I can add a permanent rule |
| 20:26.15 | macnewbold | for instance, if you wanted to make rules that would block every connection that is currently open, you could run lsof, pipe it to grep if you want to filter it, then use any combination of sed, awk, and perl to massage it into iptables format |
| 20:26.24 | macnewbold | but there are probably much better ways |
| 20:26.26 | findlay | one that forwards all packets of money directly to me |
| 20:27.26 | obfuscated | Jayce^: nice paintball pics - you're making me want to get into it now |
| 20:28.05 | findlay | I know there are utilities to manage iptables but I can't remember any of them |
| 20:28.27 | Jayce^ | obfuscated, don't give me ideas :) |
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| 20:30.19 | macnewbold | ppc... now that's something you won't see too much anymore... |
| 20:30.43 | xbmodder_ppc | pocket pc? |
| 20:30.50 | obfuscated | Jayce^: yeah - I have a feeling everyone will want to take out these years of aggression they've been building up towards me ;-) |
| 20:31.17 | obfuscated | Jayce^: did you get my pm? |
| 20:31.58 | macnewbold | ah, pocket PC |
| 20:32.00 | macnewbold | that's different |
| 20:32.09 | macnewbold | I was thinking PowerPC like the old Macs |
| 20:32.14 | xbmodder_ppc | lol |
| 20:32.20 | xbmodder_ppc | c ya. |
| 20:32.47 | macnewbold | sup lars |
| 20:32.54 | lars-ut | hey Mac |
| 20:33.02 | macnewbold | sorry I haven't made game night lately... I really miss it |
| 20:33.15 | lars-ut | I only go every other week now |
| 20:33.22 | lars-ut | soon to change to twice a month |
| 20:33.28 | lars-ut | but it's still going strong |
| 20:33.47 | macnewbold | it doesn't look like I'll be making it very often, either. my wife's in YW now, so leaving SLC at 9pm just wouldn't work too hot without causing game night hangover |
| 20:33.57 | lars-ut | I anticipate a Northern Utah County Borad Game Night fork before 2007 |
| 20:34.13 | macnewbold | oh yeah, that would rock. |
| 20:34.18 | lars-ut | s/Borad/Board |
| 20:34.42 | lars-ut | Jayce^: You could start that up |
| 20:34.47 | macnewbold | if you publicize it a bit, you might even be able to turn that into a PotM or South SL County thing... |
| 20:35.05 | macnewbold | I'd be willing to host it in SLC, but y'all probably don't want to drive up here |
| 20:36.12 | lars-ut | macnewbold: that might be a good idea |
| 20:36.45 | lars-ut | I've already had one guy - Aaron K - express interest in hosting at Eagle Mountain |
| 20:37.31 | lars-ut | but he won't be moved in until the end of this year |
| 20:44.07 | mrpull- | does the utah python users group have an irc room? |
| 20:44.31 | lars-ut | macnewbold: seems to me there is enough interest to have regular board game nights(weekly or bi-monthly) in either Valley |
| 20:48.10 | ^Migs^ | crap, this was the quickest work day |
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| 20:54.16 | lars-ut | ^Migs^: That's Monday. Consistently ends quickly - dang timelords. |
| 21:05.56 | lars-ut | ibot: explain Time Lords |
| 21:06.15 | lars-ut | ~Time Lords |
| 21:06.16 | ibot | time lords is probably "a fictional race of humanoids, originating on the planet Gallifrey, seen in the British science fiction television series Doctor Who." "...they are able to travel in and manipulate time through technology, to a degree more advanced than any other civilisation." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Lord) |
| 21:06.17 | macnewbold | lars-ut: yeah, let's set it up. I'm ready any time. |
| 21:06.45 | lars-ut | ~summon herlo |
| 21:06.46 | ibot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing herlo's coordinates |
| 21:11.15 | flyboy^ | That don't make no kinda sense. |
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| 21:42.25 | sjansen | Do we have a date for that yet? |
| 21:42.56 | lars-ut | shooting for June 17 I think |
| 21:43.46 | Jayce^ | that's what I marked |
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| 21:44.26 | sjansen | humbug, I probably won't be around |
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| 21:46.06 | Jayce^ | why for sjansen ? |
| 21:46.55 | sjansen | spending a week at my mother's doing odd jobs (re-roofing, etc.) |
| 21:47.20 | Jayce^ | do that the next weekend :) |
| 21:48.04 | sjansen | can't, she's leaving for SA the week after, still working the week before |
| 21:48.32 | sjansen | There's only one solution, really, the date is going to have to be changed to meet my needs. |
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| 21:59.52 | redman1 | ping findlay |
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| 22:14.28 | brac | [Music thing: vPipes: Super-hot MIDI bagpipes] |
| 22:21.13 | bertbob | http://www.patchmanmusic.com/NyleSteinerHomepage.html |
| 22:21.16 | brac | [The Nyle Steiner Homepage] |
| 22:22.39 | bertbob | not quite bagpipes but basically the same thing, from 1975 |
| 22:23.45 | bertbob | invented in Sandy, UT |
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| 22:27.47 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 22:31.57 | tristanbob_ | does suse 10.1 check for security updatees by default? |
| 22:32.09 | tristanbob_ | I just installed it and all I see is the install CD |
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