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| 00:27.25 | findlay | why do most password prompts have that annoying timeout? |
| 00:27.37 | findlay | how long does it really take to check /etc/shadow? |
| 00:27.57 | findlay | surely not 5 seconds |
| 00:28.20 | findlay | ~lart whoever decided to do that |
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| 00:29.30 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 00:29.56 | findlay | brac: where did you come up with all those larts? |
| 00:29.56 | brac | dunno |
| 00:32.41 | elg | -addlart <action> makes $who listen to Wagner all day |
| 00:32.41 | brac | aight |
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| 00:35.27 | xbmodder_lappy | hi |
| 00:35.38 | findlay | -lart xbmodder_lappy |
| 00:39.22 | nick125 | findlay: dont do that. you might confuse him with the randomness |
| 00:40.07 | nick125 | -lart comcast |
| 00:40.13 | nick125 | :D |
| 00:40.44 | findlay | -lart randomness |
| 00:40.58 | nick125_lappy | oo..thats evil :D |
| 00:41.07 | nick125_lappy | my head hurts |
| 00:41.16 | nick125_lappy | the comcast IVR made my head hurt |
| 00:41.17 | findlay | why is everybody smiling? |
| 00:41.19 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, I hate comcast |
| 00:41.23 | findlay | :-| |
| 00:41.32 | xbmodder_lappy | I talked to them about a broken cable box |
| 00:41.36 | xbmodder_lappy | they told me I broke it |
| 00:41.42 | xbmodder_lappy | and wanted to charge me 400 bucks |
| 00:41.44 | findlay | a box of cables? |
| 00:42.19 | xbmodder_lappy | sure |
| 00:42.22 | findlay | or a box for broken cables? |
| 00:42.25 | nick125_lappy | well, it sucks, but, what other choice is there |
| 00:42.25 | xbmodder_lappy | 2 |
| 00:43.31 | xbmodder_lappy | nothing |
| 00:43.35 | xbmodder_lappy | dish |
| 00:43.46 | nick125_lappy | cant get dish, too many trees blocking southern view |
| 00:45.24 | xbmodder_lappy | I really don't think that microsoft is bad compared to Dish*, comcast, viacom, SBC, at&t, etc... |
| 00:53.55 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: wee.. |
| 00:53.59 | nick125 | doing upgrades is fun! |
| 00:54.13 | nick125 | especially when it means more $$$ |
| 00:54.16 | nick125 | :D |
| 00:55.36 | xbmodder_lappy | ... |
| 00:56.50 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: can you say cha-ching? |
| 00:57.38 | nick125 | vm8 just upgraded to plan 2 from plan 1 |
| 00:57.50 | xbmodder_lappy | who is that? |
| 00:57.59 | nick125 | xen0n |
| 00:59.10 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: we got a problem |
| 00:59.21 | nick125 | one of the IPs isn't working |
| 00:59.51 | xbmodder_lappy | which one? |
| 01:00.03 | nick125 | .137 |
| 01:00.15 | nick125 | on block 2 |
| 01:00.31 | xbmodder_lappy | fuck |
| 01:00.37 | nick125 | language |
| 01:00.38 | xbmodder_lappy | *sorry* |
| 01:00.44 | xbmodder_lappy | I forgot this was #utah |
| 01:00.49 | nick125 | I have a feeling someone else on the network is using the IP |
| 01:01.06 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, talk in #atarack-labs |
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| 01:14.32 | xbmodder_lappy | hey bertbob |
| 01:19.13 | bertbob | hiyas |
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| 01:53.31 | SB1-Work | point to point T1 line |
| 01:53.38 | SB1-Work | Covering a good 20 miles in under 5ms |
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| 03:04.55 | findlay | this dude decides he can walk into my apartment and use my roomate's computer and then he decides he might as well use the phone too |
| 03:10.11 | nick125 | lol |
| 03:10.13 | nick125 | anyone here up to some bzflag? |
| 03:12.23 | nick125 | spitfire.atarack.com:5154 if anyone is :D |
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| 03:19.55 | goozbach | ~urls 50 |
| 03:21.12 | goozbach | ~urls 5 |
| 03:21.18 | goozbach | -urls 5 |
| 03:21.20 | brac | [2006/05/11 17:41:09] <tensai> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three%27s_Company |
| 03:21.20 | brac | [2006/05/11 16:46:22] <herlo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_%22Freddie%22_Jones |
| 03:21.21 | brac | [2006/05/11 16:45:37] <herlo> http://www.everwonder.com/david/scooby/fred.gif |
| 03:21.21 | brac | [2006/05/11 14:42:47] <tensai> http://www.tcgardens.com/checklists/swf/may.swf |
| 03:21.22 | brac | [2006/05/11 13:53:19] <tensai> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACID |
| 03:22.57 | bertbob | The Entertainment Software Association has effectively ruined the best chance that the average gamer will ever get of seeing a authentic expanse of female flesh by ordering "booth babes" at the E3 Expo in LA to put it away - or face the consequences. |
| 03:23.09 | bertbob | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/11/e3_cover_up/ |
| 03:23.12 | brac | [Prudes finger naked E3 Expo strumpets | The Register] |
| 03:23.19 | nick125 | lol |
| 03:25.46 | herlo | sounds kinda like CES was.... |
| 03:26.13 | herlo | prudish, that is |
| 03:28.31 | bertbob | well I suppose it's kinda like #utah: swearing is forbidden but violence is fun |
| 03:28.52 | xbmodder | heh |
| 03:36.57 | herlo | bertbob: ah well, its the redest state in the nation...except maybe Wyoming, what can ya expect |
| 03:42.35 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
| 03:54.49 | mheath | Today was a big day :) |
| 03:55.11 | mheath | Which consisted of a bunch of really boring paperwork |
| 03:57.16 | mheath | Do you have heart disease...no.....Do you have one kidney....no......Are you currently seeing a psychiatric professional....no..... |
| 03:57.26 | mheath | Are you a resident of the US......no...erm...Wait. Yes |
| 03:58.18 | mheath | I'm tired of this. I hate school |
| 03:58.25 | mheath | So what, I've repeated the same work like 3 times now! |
| 03:58.33 | mheath | So what, the electornic classes place won't call me back! |
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| 03:59.19 | mheath | My only frickin option is to do the work, yet again! |
| 03:59.38 | mheath | This time, I get to do *packets*! Three huge packets in a week! Working every day! Yah! |
| 04:00.32 | mheath | This is an example of how the system screws you over. |
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| 05:01.38 | nick125_lappy | you know whats hard to look up? |
| 05:01.43 | nick125_lappy | arch linux xen information -_- |
| 05:04.54 | findlay | ~look up |
| 05:05.02 | findlay | ~do look up |
| 05:05.05 | ibot | ACTION does look up. |
| 05:36.47 | xbmodder_lappy | bzflag server at noc.atarack.com |
| 05:58.08 | nick125_lappy | damnit! |
| 05:58.17 | nick125_lappy | I keep typing in tracert and ipconfig! |
| 06:31.54 | QBFreak | anyone want to help hassan mohammed distribute 13 million to charities? |
| 08:04.31 | findlay | It's not impossible. I used to bulls-eye womp rats in my T-16 back home. They're not much bigger than 2 meters. |
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| 12:29.46 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 12:29.59 | sjansen | ~dog goozbach |
| 12:30.06 | ibot | ACTION stares at goozbach until goozbach whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 12:33.45 | goozbach | ~blarg sjansen |
| 12:34.44 | mheath | ~lart sjansen and goozbach |
| 12:36.36 | emcnabb | ~lart world |
| 12:40.49 | emcnabb | it's not a good feeling to spend $178,000 |
| 12:45.56 | sjansen | emcnabb: Why not spread the love? Send a little my way. What's a few thousand between friends? |
| 12:46.44 | emcnabb | I now know several lenders who would love to "spread the love" with you |
| 12:54.16 | sjansen | ~poke Newsome |
| 12:54.23 | ibot | ACTION grabs a syringe |
| 12:54.52 | mheath | Eh. |
| 12:55.15 | mheath | Do you have heart disease...no. Do you have randomly blury vision...no. Are you going to die on us....no. |
| 12:59.53 | sjansen | ibot, not poke $who is <action> cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind $who, pokes $who repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 12:59.55 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 12:59.59 | sjansen | ibot, no poke $who is <action> cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind $who, pokes $who repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 13:00.00 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 13:00.18 | sjansen | ~poke emcnabb |
| 13:00.20 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sjansen, pokes sjansen repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 13:00.27 | sjansen | bah |
| 13:00.42 | sjansen | ibot, no poke $evan is <action> cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind $evan, pokes $evan repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 13:00.43 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 13:00.49 | sjansen | ~poke emcnabb |
| 13:00.51 | ibot | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind emcnabb, pokes emcnabb repeatedly, hilarity ensues |
| 13:02.34 | mheath | Yah, I have a *personal* invitation to the 56th Anniversary of Dianetics! |
| 13:02.43 | mheath | (A covert way of getting you involved in Scientology) |
| 13:02.51 | goozbach | emcnabb: whatcha spending $178k on? |
| 13:02.57 | emcnabb | new home |
| 13:03.19 | emcnabb | out in Holly Springs (southwest of Raleigh) |
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| 13:19.10 | goozbach | emcnabb: cool |
| 13:37.54 | emcnabb | our dog is getting spayed today |
| 13:38.03 | emcnabb | I'm glad I'm not a dog |
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| 14:33.59 | sjansen | ~neuter emcnabb |
| 14:36.25 | goozbach | poke poke poke |
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| 14:48.51 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 14:49.04 | goozbach | delete an entire ou in AD |
| 14:49.12 | goozbach | and expect things to continue to work |
| 14:49.16 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 14:49.33 | graphyx | whats an "ou"? |
| 14:49.54 | Jayce^ | organizational unit |
| 14:50.20 | graphyx | ty |
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| 14:51.05 | sjansen | ~haha goozbach |
| 14:51.06 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach about the head with the ha ha bat |
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| 14:57.25 | redman1 | mmm, melon soda. |
| 14:57.30 | redman1 | too bad tensai's not here |
| 14:57.34 | redman1 | he'd love some |
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| 15:33.28 | levi | Good morning, #utah. |
| 15:34.38 | redman1 | good morning, levi |
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| 15:39.48 | levi | redman1: Whassup? |
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| 15:55.39 | sjansen | levi: morning? It's almost afternoon. |
| 16:00.06 | harleypig | http://mirror1.howitshouldhaveended.com/HISHE_LOTR_small.wmv |
| 16:00.15 | harleypig | This is how the LOTR should have ended. |
| 16:00.28 | harleypig | sjansen: 2 more hours ... |
| 16:15.17 | redman1 | oh man. today is gonna be a wicked busy day, and all i want to do is go outside and play. |
| 16:17.26 | BL4 | that sucks redman1 |
| 16:19.01 | Jayce^ | redman1, yeah, normally I'd sympathize, but you're finally working on my project.. |
| 16:19.08 | Jayce^ | so get back to work... no IRC for you! |
| 16:19.46 | BL4 | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 16:22.21 | sjansen | heh, one of my students just googled me and discovered my uug page |
| 16:22.47 | harleypig | Jayce^ is the IRC nazi |
| 16:23.04 | redman1 | ~last Jayce^ |
| 16:23.06 | sjansen | harleypig: He should be, considering how many years he's wasted on IRC. |
| 16:23.11 | redman1 | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 16:23.40 | Jayce^ | sjansen, jealous |
| 16:24.11 | Jayce^ | http://barney.gonzaga.edu/~lbarats/vids/mothersday.mov |
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| 16:41.49 | harleypig | Go long for Jesus! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN4NzjI0Dyc |
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| 16:57.17 | goozbach | of course you all have to post these cool things to look at when I'm at work and cant view them |
| 16:58.46 | ^Migs^ | I can't even play them |
| 16:58.57 | ^Migs^ | Quicktime doesn't show video on that MOV, and youtube is blocked for me |
| 16:59.42 | harleypig | ^Migs^: YouTube doesn't work for me either ... but I have VideoDownloader installed in firefox and I can get those files just fine. |
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| 17:12.21 | BL4 | maquis, whats up? |
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| 17:16.14 | graphyx | hows class herlo? |
| 17:16.25 | graphyx | s/hows/how's/ |
| 17:16.39 | goozbach | herlo: get back to work |
| 17:16.52 | goozbach | irc is bad for you |
| 17:17.03 | redman1 | irc is like work |
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| 17:17.10 | redman1 | i think we covered that yesterday |
| 17:17.19 | goozbach | oh right... |
| 17:17.30 | goozbach | herlo: welcome! |
| 17:22.46 | findlay | yes, welcome and enjoy the Haydn. |
| 17:23.21 | findlay | these Karajan, BPO London Symphony recordings are splendid |
| 17:24.17 | findlay | s/nu/ny/ |
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| 18:07.33 | graphyx | What is the linux command to see what processes a master process has spawned? |
| 18:07.38 | graphyx | ptree? |
| 18:09.22 | emcnabb | there's pstree |
| 18:09.57 | findlay | pstree is pretty fun |
| 18:13.27 | graphyx | ok thanks. |
| 18:13.33 | graphyx | I figured it was something like that. |
| 18:13.42 | graphyx | you guys are the best! |
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| 18:14.27 | sjansen_ | Say hi to my class. (Be nice.) |
| 18:14.44 | sjansen_ | ~lart emcnabb |
| 18:16.36 | flyboy^ | hi class. |
| 18:17.32 | emcnabb | sjansen_: is a loser! |
| 18:17.51 | emcnabb | hey sjansen_, get back to work |
| 18:19.40 | sjansen | too late |
| 18:19.58 | flyboy^ | What was your class on? |
| 18:20.26 | sjansen | Linux Fundamentals (RH 035) |
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| 18:38.33 | Kuyaedz | Anyone suggest how to grep IP addresses from a .log? |
| 18:39.16 | Kuyaedz | using some examples here: http://www.regular-expressions.info/examples.html but not getting anything returned. |
| 18:39.19 | brac | [Regular Expression Examples] |
| 18:41.04 | goozbach | punk class |
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| 18:44.49 | findlay | grep "\d\+\.\d\+\.\d\+\.\d\+" *.log |
| 18:45.26 | Kuyaedz | ...no results |
| 18:46.04 | findlay | maybe you don't have any addresses in your *.log file after all? |
| 18:46.38 | Kuyaedz | I've got it open in another window and see plenty.. they are surrounded by [ ], if that matters ? |
| 18:47.59 | findlay | try 'grep "\d\+" *.log' |
| 18:49.01 | Kuyaedz | that looks like it returns every line with a digit |
| 18:51.12 | Kuyaedz | http://christer.pastebin.com/713999 |
| 18:51.19 | Kuyaedz | example line in the .log |
| 18:58.19 | findlay | what pattern did you use to match that line? |
| 18:59.09 | Kuyaedz | that is just a line cut/paste from the log directly. |
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| 18:59.55 | findlay | oh |
| 19:01.02 | findlay | try 'grep "[0-9]\+" *.log' |
| 19:02.30 | Kuyaedz | that looks like it works.. now I wonder how I can filter that & just return the IPs. |
| 19:02.51 | Kuyaedz | I'd like to end up with just a list of IPs from the original .log |
| 19:03.40 | goozbach | Kuyaedz: you want sed in that case |
| 19:05.21 | findlay | try 'grep "[0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+" *.log' |
| 19:05.34 | findlay | at least, that's what I'd probably do |
| 19:05.42 | findlay | but sed may accept \d |
| 19:06.18 | Kuyaedz | goozbach: so I can use sed instead of grep with similar syntax & it'll only return the IPs? |
| 19:06.24 | findlay | yeah |
| 19:11.55 | findlay | sed -e "s/.*\([0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\).*/\1/g" *.log |
| 19:12.23 | findlay | except I can't think how to make it only print out the addresses without using it in conjunction with grep |
| 19:14.12 | Kuyaedz | that almost works |
| 19:14.29 | Kuyaedz | example returned line: 9.112.82 |
| 19:14.33 | findlay | it seems like there should be an option to sed to only print out lines that match the pattern |
| 19:15.29 | findlay | Kuyaedz: can you pastebin it? |
| 19:17.26 | Kuyaedz | http://christer.pastebin.com/714045 |
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| 19:21.04 | findlay | Kuyaedz: you need one more [0-9]\+ group at the end |
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| 19:22.14 | Kuyaedz | line 2: from that pastebin should read 88.206.102.127 |
| 19:22.20 | Kuyaedz | wonder why its cutting off the beginning |
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| 19:29.03 | goozbach | http://search.cpan.org/~mcantoni/Net-IP-Extract-0.01/lib/Net/IP/Extract.pm |
| 19:29.38 | goozbach | this is what I've used in the past |
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| 20:16.21 | ^Migs^ | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,70882-0.html?tw=rss.technology |
| 20:16.22 | brac | [Wired News: Power Up With Magnetic Bacteria] |
| 20:34.52 | harleypig | Avoid quiet and passive persons, unless you are in need of sleep. |
| 20:35.07 | harleypig | Wherever possible, put people on hold. |
| 20:35.22 | harleypig | Be comforted, that in the face of all irridity and disillusionment, and despite the changing fortunes of time, there is always a big future in computer maintenance. |
| 20:35.24 | flyboy^ | Has anyone here happend to note that Opera is the browswer on Nintendo's Wii? |
| 20:35.35 | flyboy^ | What a dumb name by the way. |
| 20:35.41 | harleypig | You are a fluke of the universe. |
| 20:35.41 | ^Migs^ | no it's not |
| 20:35.45 | flyboy^ | Woo would have been better than Wii |
| 20:35.51 | harleypig | You have no right to be here. |
| 20:35.51 | obfuscated | why does the Wii even need a browser? |
| 20:35.52 | ^Migs^ | or Waa |
| 20:35.56 | harleypig | Whether you can hear it or not, |
| 20:36.00 | ^Migs^ | it connects to the WWW |
| 20:36.00 | flyboy^ | Or Waa, or Wub, or Wuk or Wam |
| 20:36.03 | harleypig | The universe is laughing behind your back. |
| 20:36.16 | obfuscated | yeah, but who is going to browse the web from their TV? |
| 20:36.22 | ^Migs^ | WebTV users |
| 20:36.30 | obfuscated | then why not get a WebTV? |
| 20:36.34 | obfuscated | and who uses WebTV? |
| 20:36.36 | ^Migs^ | because you can get a Wii |
| 20:36.37 | flyboy^ | I'd browse the web from my Wii. |
| 20:36.42 | ^Migs^ | Wii plays games, too |
| 20:36.56 | obfuscated | I guess I don't browse the web just to "browse the web" |
| 20:36.57 | ^Migs^ | so Wii > WebTV |
| 20:37.05 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 20:37.11 | ^Migs^ | uh, then what do you browse the web for? |
| 20:37.12 | flyboy^ | Does anyone see Wii and pronounce it in there head "Why" |
| 20:37.12 | obfuscated | I can see the point of it being a media center of some sort |
| 20:37.15 | ^Migs^ | if not for browsing the web? |
| 20:37.25 | ^Migs^ | no, flyboy. It's pronounced Wee. |
| 20:37.32 | ^Migs^ | and that is how I pronounce it in my head. |
| 20:37.33 | flyboy^ | I know, but it looks like Why |
| 20:37.38 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: usually to research things I'm programming or to buy stuff |
| 20:37.39 | ^Migs^ | no it doesn't |
| 20:37.48 | obfuscated | I'd rather do it from my computer or cell phone than from my TV |
| 20:37.50 | ^Migs^ | and you're not browsing the web when you do this, obfuscated? |
| 20:38.13 | flyboy^ | I'd look at RSS feeds on the TV. |
| 20:38.24 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: it makes no sense unless I have an ssh console near it |
| 20:38.25 | flyboy^ | Or check my server status on my TV. |
| 20:38.27 | flyboy^ | Or the weather. |
| 20:38.32 | flyboy^ | Or stock quotes. |
| 20:38.35 | obfuscated | flyboy^: that would be useful |
| 20:38.39 | flyboy^ | Or tv schedules. |
| 20:38.40 | obfuscated | that and mail |
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| 20:38.47 | ^Migs^ | you're basically saying "I browse the web, but I don't browse the web" |
| 20:38.48 | obfuscated | but I don't see the purpose for an all-out browser |
| 20:39.01 | ^Migs^ | endorsements |
| 20:39.02 | obfuscated | just give portals to do gaming and entertainment-related things |
| 20:39.07 | flyboy^ | Opera is an all out browser? ;) |
| 20:39.09 | ^Migs^ | Nintendo and Opera can help each other out now |
| 20:39.10 | obfuscated | the TV doesn't need the full functionality of the web |
| 20:39.26 | ^Migs^ | you can also connect a computer to the TV with an S-VIDEO cable. Same as Web TV. |
| 20:39.39 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: never understood that either |
| 20:40.02 | obfuscated | To me the computer has its own function - give me a device that focuses on entertainment for my TV/family room |
| 20:40.07 | flyboy^ | Here is an article with screen shots: http://www.realtechnews.com/posts/3062 |
| 20:40.08 | brac | [Opera Browser Screenshots for the Upcoming Nintendo Wii console and the Nintendo DS Lite @ Alice Hill’s Real Tech News - Independent Tech] |
| 20:40.25 | ^Migs^ | I don't know why you hate Nintendo so much. It's going to be the best console in this generation. |
| 20:40.28 | flyboy^ | You type by drawing letters? |
| 20:40.32 | flyboy^ | Kind fun. |
| 20:40.48 | obfuscated | I like Nintendo - just never understood why Gaming consoles include full-out browsers |
| 20:40.55 | ^Migs^ | they don't |
| 20:40.56 | ^Migs^ | until now |
| 20:41.02 | ^Migs^ | it's innovation |
| 20:41.09 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: my Sega Dreamcast has one |
| 20:41.16 | obfuscated | and it's been out for years |
| 20:41.19 | ^Migs^ | who cares about Dreamcast? |
| 20:41.27 | ^Migs^ | your Dreamcast sucks |
| 20:41.44 | obfuscated | I don't think it's innovation if they aren't focusing on the entertainment |
| 20:41.57 | ^Migs^ | they are focusing on the entertainment |
| 20:41.59 | ^Migs^ | who says they're not? |
| 20:41.59 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: I agree my Dreamcast sucks |
| 20:42.04 | obfuscated | Nintendo is better |
| 20:42.11 | ^Migs^ | what's not entertaining about browsing the web? |
| 20:42.23 | ^Migs^ | you seem to HATE browsing the web |
| 20:42.27 | flyboy^ | I predict the biggest use of opera on the wii is to look up game cheat web sites. |
| 20:42.34 | ^Migs^ | probably |
| 20:42.39 | ^Migs^ | that's why it's so handy |
| 20:42.51 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: my point is there's too much to do in a browser - they need sub-browsers to help the user find gaming sites, sites related to the TV shows they're watching, etc |
| 20:42.54 | ^Migs^ | you don't even have to get on your computer to look up FAQs and walkthrus |
| 20:43.09 | ^Migs^ | wrong |
| 20:43.12 | obfuscated | The browser should be part of the gaming and media experience, not a separate entity |
| 20:43.16 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 20:43.28 | ^Migs^ | that's crazy |
| 20:43.33 | obfuscated | Windows Media Center approaches this well |
| 20:43.43 | obfuscated | I think even they could do it better though |
| 20:43.56 | flyboy^ | I think it's generally a great way for them to justify a higher price for their units without actually DOING anything. |
| 20:44.09 | ^Migs^ | it's really not going to be that costly |
| 20:44.13 | ^Migs^ | not like the PS3 |
| 20:44.21 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: imagine gaming and from within the game being able to quickly pull up a list of gaming sites to get hints from |
| 20:44.39 | obfuscated | or watching a television show and being able to pull up sites directly related to what you're watching |
| 20:44.40 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's a good idea |
| 20:44.45 | obfuscated | instead of having to search for them |
| 20:44.55 | obfuscated | *that's* how the browser should be integrated |
| 20:45.05 | ^Migs^ | that would likely require a partnership with certain sites |
| 20:45.09 | obfuscated | a plain old separate browser leaves things too open-ended |
| 20:45.10 | ^Migs^ | so it AUTOMATICALLY searches? |
| 20:45.11 | flyboy^ | The best thing about making it a full featured browswer is that it leaves it open for innovation. |
| 20:45.23 | flyboy^ | It's a building block of innovation, not neccissarily innovative itself. |
| 20:45.31 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: well, maybe provides suggestions, or the option of doing your own search |
| 20:45.41 | ^Migs^ | so it -does- search |
| 20:46.06 | obfuscated | but the object is to make the entire browsing experience focused towards the gamer when they're playing games |
| 20:46.10 | ^Migs^ | how is this any different from having the browser separate? You're basically playing the game in one window, viewing the web in another |
| 20:46.20 | ^Migs^ | the Wii isn't just for games, though |
| 20:46.26 | ^Migs^ | perhaps you missed that point |
| 20:46.31 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: not user-friendly enough |
| 20:46.43 | ^Migs^ | do you find it too complicated? |
| 20:46.46 | obfuscated | not to mention the marketing opps for Nintendo that they're missing |
| 20:47.08 | flyboy^ | "For our Wii console launch in 2006, we required a browser that was fast and secure with support for the latest standards including AJAX" -- why would nintendo want an AJAX browswer on their console? Maybe they have some surprises? |
| 20:47.12 | obfuscated | ^Migs^: no, but it would definitely be more seamless being integrated |
| 20:47.47 | obfuscated | I can go to my computer to browse if I want to just browse the web |
| 20:48.32 | obfuscated | The XBOX 360 tie-ins to Windows Media Center do stuff like this |
| 20:48.42 | obfuscated | to an extent |
| 20:50.06 | flyboy^ | Humm... it looks like Nintendo is banking on you using opera on the wii because you'll be able to get from power off to a browswer in "just a few seconds." |
| 20:50.24 | flyboy^ | Like a "telephone." |
| 20:50.32 | obfuscated | VOIP? |
| 20:50.38 | flyboy^ | As fast as. |
| 20:50.45 | obfuscated | via ajax |
| 20:50.53 | flyboy^ | Ya never know. |
| 20:51.14 | obfuscated | I guess AJAX gives the browser a whole new meaning if they're going down that road |
| 20:51.19 | obfuscated | it would make sense in that case |
| 20:51.42 | flyboy^ | I probably still won't buy one, but it's interesting. :) |
| 20:51.59 | obfuscated | perhaps the first AJAX Desktop Interface? |
| 20:52.20 | obfuscated | flyboy^: I'm debating - all depends who of my friends buy what |
| 20:52.26 | obfuscated | I learned my lesson on the Dreamcaset |
| 20:52.29 | obfuscated | Dreamcast |
| 20:52.32 | macnewbold | yeah, but without a real input device, how much are you really going to do on the web? |
| 20:52.48 | macnewbold | any type of form filling or logging in you'll want a real keyboard for |
| 20:53.03 | macnewbold | the controller is good as a mouse replacement, but that's about it |
| 20:53.46 | flyboy^ | macnewbold: i think that's another 'innovation' they are touting - some kinda new controller that makes it easier. |
| 20:54.05 | macnewbold | oh, joy |
| 20:54.21 | macnewbold | a "controller" with at least 40 "buttons" on it |
| 20:54.27 | flyboy^ | or 108. |
| 20:54.35 | macnewbold | no kidding |
| 20:54.41 | obfuscated | macnewbold: that's my other complaint |
| 20:54.54 | macnewbold | and then all my typing skills on a qwerty are useless... |
| 20:55.01 | obfuscated | another reason why better integration with the gaming/media experience would be better |
| 20:55.17 | flyboy^ | you can probably count on a keyboard add on in the future. |
| 20:55.23 | flyboy^ | Just another 39.95! |
| 20:55.26 | flyboy^ | :) |
| 20:56.08 | flyboy^ | Until I can talk to my computer in a scottish accent, it's keyboards. |
| 20:56.34 | nick125_lappy | lol.. |
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| 21:27.11 | dataw0lf | I wish |
| 21:29.58 | nick125 | if anyone wants to have a little fun, spitfire.atarack.com:5154 |
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| 21:52.45 | harleypig | Bob Dylan sings "Hey look at that! It looks just like your polka dot undies!" |
| 21:53.02 | redman1 | dude, that wasn't dylan |
| 21:53.06 | redman1 | he just sounded like dylan |
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| 22:29.29 | harleypig | Everybody run |
| 22:29.33 | harleypig | the homecoming queen's |
| 22:29.35 | harleypig | got a gun |
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| 23:43.20 | xbmodder_lappy | the geico gecko is weird |
| 23:53.39 | emcnabb | harleypig: that's a classic song |
| 23:54.47 | emcnabb | in a blond voice: "my best friend Debbie is on a shooting spree! stop it Debbie you're embarrassing me!" |
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