| 00:02.03 | goozbach | comcast digital cable |
| 00:02.12 | goozbach | ATHF and home movies |
| 00:02.16 | goozbach | brac show |
| 00:02.21 | goozbach | a whole bunch |
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| 00:09.39 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: hey |
| 00:10.30 | xbmodder_lappy | sup? |
| 00:11.16 | xbmodder_lappy | does anyone know where I can get electronic deadbolts, with a backup handle hookup? |
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| 00:12.23 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: ping |
| 00:12.40 | findlay | does anybody need to go to DI? |
| 00:12.49 | elg | you do |
| 00:13.28 | xbmodder_lappy | DI? |
| 00:13.32 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_lappy, pong |
| 00:13.58 | findlay | ok then, I'll go by myself |
| 00:14.28 | findlay | ibot: DI is like pretty much the best store on the planet |
| 00:14.29 | ibot | ...but di is already something else... |
| 00:14.34 | findlay | ~di |
| 00:14.36 | ibot | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 00:14.42 | findlay | ibot: DI is also like pretty much the best store on the planet |
| 00:14.43 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 00:18.01 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy: pm mee |
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| 01:00.15 | flyboy^ | So Open Country wants help, but I can't get the dumb survey to work. Just me? |
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| 01:15.52 | tensai | flyboy^: nope, me neither. did it keep kicking you back to the intro page? |
| 01:16.18 | flyboy^ | Yeah. |
| 01:16.30 | flyboy^ | They beg for help, then it doesn't work. |
| 01:16.32 | flyboy^ | Ahh well. :) |
| 01:17.00 | tensai | maybe it's one of those blonde jokes, "how do you keep a blonde busy (turn over)" |
| 01:17.19 | tensai | they want to see how many times you'll try it before giving up |
| 01:22.24 | flyboy^ | It's a clever anti-cometitive measure. Burn up the time of all your competitors employees. :) |
| 01:23.29 | nick125_lappy | hehe |
| 01:25.56 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 01:33.35 | mheath | I swear the education system is making me stupider. |
| 01:33.52 | mheath | Really. I was rereading a short one page response/"essay" I had to write in this packet |
| 01:34.19 | mheath | Giving the time constraints placed on me for this packet, and the limited format and stupid topic...I think it is quit possibly the stupidest thing I have ever written. |
| 01:36.36 | flyboy^ | It's only stupid if you said: "I think..." "I suppose..." "I Guess..." or "Quite possibly.." |
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| 01:38.36 | mheath | flyboy^, thats basically what I had to write |
| 01:38.45 | mheath | it gives me like half a page of information, then tells me to write a one page essay on it |
| 01:38.52 | mheath | speculation and stupid comments like that are all I have |
| 01:39.33 | flyboy^ | Perhaps they are testing your ability to spin. |
| 01:40.14 | linuxalien | Hey, anyone coming to the OALUG on Davis Campus? |
| 01:40.14 | mheath | flyboy^, no. These are makeup packets for highschool classes. |
| 01:40.15 | flyboy^ | Maybe you will become a news pundit some day and will have to talk for exactly 3:45 seconds about absolutly nothing. |
| 01:40.26 | mheath | Typically used by people who failed some (rather easy classes) |
| 01:40.41 | mheath | s/(rather easy classes)/(rather easy) classes/g |
| 01:41.21 | mheath | They don't even really grade them (though I think she might grade this one - she's suspicious I'm cheating because I work through them so fast) |
| 01:42.02 | flyboy^ | "Well Jim... what we have here is a very unique situation indeed. I'm not sure we have grasped yet just how deep the situation extends. This is clearly an issue that requires deleciate handling and deliberate but carefully mesured action. I'm sure that right now those involved are considering their options, and confering with advisors on this complex issue." |
| 01:42.27 | mheath | Thats basically what I have to right in these essays |
| 01:44.30 | mheath | be back in a few minutes, need to finish this |
| 01:44.40 | flyboy^ | The issue at hand is that you have been given such little information. Congress will want to examin the information given and study what is in it. Until we can have time to consum the data, there is no telling how deep this can extend. This may very well be just the tip of the iceberg. |
| 01:45.50 | mheath | The region that is least likely to experience strong earthquakes is the: |
| 01:45.53 | mheath | A. Atlantic Ocean |
| 01:45.56 | mheath | B. Pacific Ocean |
| 01:45.59 | mheath | C. Mediterranean Sea |
| 01:46.02 | mheath | D. Asian Continent |
| 01:46.15 | flyboy^ | E. My High School |
| 01:46.21 | mheath | I'm tempted to put Pacific Ocean, because almost nothing happens *in* the pacific ocean |
| 01:46.38 | mheath | though I think they're throwing that out, because immediately AROUND the pacific ocean is where the most activity in the world occurs |
| 01:53.16 | tensai | mheath: you did read that it's asking for "least likely"? |
| 01:53.29 | tensai | oh, wait. I see. |
| 01:53.48 | tensai | that's a poor question |
| 01:58.32 | mheath | I love this |
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| 02:04.52 | mheath | Excellent. Another "essay" and two chapter reviews before I'm done. |
| 02:04.56 | mheath | I'll be back in like half an hour |
| 02:07.41 | levi_ | Woo, is mheath going to graduate after all? |
| 02:12.48 | findlay | the first high school graduate that took an IRC channel to raise |
| 02:13.12 | findlay | it may take a village to raise a child, but it takes an IRC channel to graduate a high school student |
| 02:14.52 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 02:23.30 | tensai | today, mheath. tomorrow, the world! |
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| 02:28.56 | mheath | levi_: maybe. |
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| 03:22.24 | QBFreak | ~lart whatever is causing QBFreak's problem |
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| 03:42.31 | tensai | QBFreak: did you get nfs working? |
| 03:43.48 | QBFreak | tensai: I got samba working |
| 03:43.55 | QBFreak | but I never got sound working, so now I'm poking a livecd |
| 03:44.32 | QBFreak | I tried to recompile the kernel but it took two hours and when it was done informed me that it was unable to write the output file |
| 03:45.06 | QBFreak | so I symlinked the dir into my home dir (it was doing ../<name>) and it STILL had the same problem from there |
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| 03:56.58 | QBFreak | *sigh* |
| 03:57.11 | QBFreak | I can't even remember how to mount a samba share with NFS (I know its possible) |
| 04:02.13 | tensai | QBFreak: you can't mix and match samba and nfs. surely that's not what you meant. |
| 04:02.43 | QBFreak | I could have sworn I read somewhere to use NFS to mount a samba share, there are instances where samba refuses to talk to windows 2003 |
| 04:03.06 | mheath | O.o |
| 04:03.17 | QBFreak | I tried to mount -t smbfs .... but apparently I don't have what I need to do that right now |
| 04:03.22 | tensai | you could export the same directory via samba and nfs simultaneously. I wouldn't recommend it because of file locking issues, but it could be done. |
| 04:03.41 | QBFreak | I just want a file off my windows box! |
| 04:03.51 | tensai | or are you just referring to simply mounting a windows share onto your linux box? |
| 04:04.01 | QBFreak | yes! |
| 04:04.27 | tensai | ah, that's a horse of a different color |
| 04:04.40 | tensai | do you have the smbfs module loaded? |
| 04:04.41 | QBFreak | I was sure there was some other FS besides smbfs that could handle samba |
| 04:04.48 | QBFreak | not a clue, most likely not |
| 04:04.51 | QBFreak | I booted a livecd |
| 04:04.54 | tensai | lsmod |grep smbfs |
| 04:05.18 | QBFreak | it is loaded |
| 04:05.35 | tensai | if another fs could mount samba it would have to speak SMB, which would effectively make it smbfs |
| 04:06.02 | tensai | smbmount //windows-box/share /mount/point -o username=qbfreak |
| 04:06.09 | QBFreak | I couldn't find smbmount |
| 04:06.23 | tensai | if you use mount -t smbfs, you have to be root. by using smbmount directly you can do it as a regular joe. |
| 04:06.31 | QBFreak | I am root at the moment |
| 04:06.36 | tensai | hmm. that doesn't bode well. but smbfs is installed. that's interesting. |
| 04:06.45 | tensai | no /usr/bin/smbmount? |
| 04:07.27 | tensai | what about /sbin/mount.smbfs? |
| 04:08.04 | tensai | maybe you were thinking of CIFS, which is newer version of SMB? |
| 04:08.16 | QBFreak | ah yes, cifs |
| 04:08.30 | QBFreak | I only used it once or twice, which must be why I confused it with nfs |
| 04:08.45 | QBFreak | ther is no smbmount in /usr/bin and no mount.* in /sbin |
| 04:09.07 | tensai | one step ahead of me, I see |
| 04:09.27 | tensai | you might also have a mount.cifs |
| 04:09.28 | levi_ | Yay, the baby passed enough gas so she could fall asleep comfortably. |
| 04:09.29 | QBFreak | bah, it mounted the HDD at boot and is indexing that too... |
| 04:09.38 | QBFreak | tensai: no, no mount.* |
| 04:09.45 | tensai | three cheers for passing gas! |
| 04:10.20 | tensai | QBFreak: well, without mount.smbfs or mount.cifs you're hosed. seems strange that the smbfs module would be installed without the userspace apps. |
| 04:11.24 | QBFreak | I was hoping to test the sound before install the distro but alsa did find and configure the card and the mixer displays the appropriate inputs and outputs |
| 04:12.36 | QBFreak | yeah, oddly enough none of those files exist |
| 04:13.03 | QBFreak | I think I'll just take my chances and install, I was getting extremely frustrated with debian |
| 04:13.16 | tensai | alsa mutes the sound by default. you'd have to unmute it. |
| 04:13.25 | QBFreak | yeah, I remember that and checked the levels |
| 04:13.34 | QBFreak | I was looking for a .wav to test it with |
| 04:14.51 | tensai | cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp :) |
| 04:15.07 | tensai | that'll be hours of fun |
| 04:15.51 | tensai | I think I was reading in Linux Journal about a guys whose kid would cat all sorts of stuff to /dev/dsp |
| 04:16.04 | QBFreak | heh |
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| 04:19.52 | QBFreak | it fussed about the format of my .wav |
| 04:20.04 | QBFreak | and dumping urandom to dsp gave me no sound |
| 04:20.12 | QBFreak | I checked the mixer levels |
| 04:20.15 | QBFreak | arg |
| 04:20.47 | QBFreak | I'm not asking for much, all I want is to play MP3s over the network... |
| 04:21.23 | tensai | but you got no errors, like no such device? |
| 04:21.40 | tensai | sounds like it must be that the sound is muted, otherwise you'd get some sort of error |
| 04:21.56 | QBFreak | no errors with cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 04:22.02 | QBFreak | or to /dev/dsp1 |
| 04:23.51 | levi_ | Yay, I can read from the accelerometer! |
| 04:25.11 | levi_ | Reading from an accelerometer that's hooked up to a simple little board with an analog-to-digital converter and a serial port. |
| 04:25.30 | levi_ | So, now I need to write a program that reads from it and makes sense of it. |
| 04:27.56 | levi_ | What's it on? |
| 04:27.59 | QBFreak | the problem is I think the chip driving it is actually running the entire stereo |
| 04:28.51 | QBFreak | and a closer inspection reveals that they didn't do the full alpha-numeric characters, just enough to spell CD TUNER VIDEO and TAPE |
| 04:29.01 | levi_ | Heh. |
| 04:29.19 | QBFreak | but you can read it across the room, don't know that I could get that out of a cheap LCD |
| 04:29.47 | levi_ | Probably not, but you could probably get a cheap similar display. |
| 04:29.50 | QBFreak | I suppose if I can squeeze a PC in the case with the stereo, I can simply wire it to the CD inputs |
| 04:30.21 | levi_ | I know there are a bunch of companies that sell displays like that to hobbyists. |
| 04:30.25 | QBFreak | but then I'd want to build not only an infrared reciever but a transmitter as well so I can easilly change modes... |
| 04:31.29 | levi_ | I don't think they're terribly complex. |
| 04:31.48 | levi_ | You could probably find a circuit on the internet and wire it up on a piece of breadboard. |
| 04:33.11 | QBFreak | yeah, I'm just not sure how to determine what segments to light, there are only 30 something pins and 7 7-segment sections plus a number of other things |
| 04:34.04 | levi_ | Well, if you can find the part number, you might be able to find the datasheet online. |
| 04:34.16 | QBFreak | I was originally thinking a grid, power two intersecting pins to get a segment, but unless I'm wrong that really doesn't work well when you need to light a number of arbitrary segments |
| 04:34.25 | QBFreak | I'll look, I suspect its propritary |
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| 04:46.28 | QBFreak | this could be fun, according to the site the displays generally come on a board that handles power and provides serial or parallel |
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| 04:48.19 | QBFreak | cheapest eval kit is $77 |
| 04:49.15 | levi_ | I've got a serial LCD display that I'm probably not going to use. |
| 04:49.37 | levi_ | I was going to make an mp3 playing box at some point, but I never got around to it. |
| 04:50.26 | QBFreak | they're pretty cheap, and with the right controller you can avoid the whole serial daughterboard and go straight to parallel |
| 04:50.43 | QBFreak | what size is it? |
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| 05:02.23 | levi_ | 2 lines, I think. |
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| 05:04.10 | nick125_lappy | I got a question: is it possible to transparently "link" mysql tables |
| 05:04.57 | nick125_lappy | for example, lets say I have records_rdns and records_fdns, and I want to be able to simple run a SELECT on a single table which will query both DBs |
| 05:07.28 | mheath | nick125_lappy, yep, its possible...but I can't remember off the top of my head how to do it. Google around, you'll be able to figure it out. |
| 05:08.05 | nick125_lappy | aah, I'm gonna take a look at that |
| 05:12.22 | QBFreak | levi_: thanks for saying it should be fairly easy, I think I finally figured it out :) |
| 05:12.48 | QBFreak | 5 grids, 18 segments each, and the pin count matches that |
| 05:13.30 | QBFreak | at this point I'd feel much more confident in disassembling it and trying to run it outside of the stereo than I would have a little while ago |
| 05:13.54 | findlay | QBFreak: cool, (: |
| 05:17.50 | levi_ | QBFreak: Fun! |
| 05:18.08 | levi_ | QBFreak: Did you find the datasheet? |
| 05:20.36 | QBFreak | nope |
| 05:20.48 | QBFreak | wikipedia sent me to a page that explained how they're generally laid out |
| 05:21.03 | QBFreak | grids and segments |
| 05:21.10 | QBFreak | this one is 5 18-segment grids |
| 05:21.30 | QBFreak | basically you cycle through them at high speed, giving the appearance of being constantly lit |
| 05:22.42 | QBFreak | which fits my original matrix theroy, and the fact that you cycle through them solves the only issue I had with it |
| 05:22.59 | QBFreak | now I wonder what I'd use to drive it... |
| 05:23.10 | QBFreak | the only programmer I have is for the 16F84A |
| 05:23.36 | QBFreak | I don't even know if the PIC is fast enough to do this |
| 05:26.41 | QBFreak | I suppose the best bet is a set of buffers, one for each grid, each large enough for the number of segments per grid |
| 05:27.55 | QBFreak | do say something if I start to sound crazy, I've never done much of anything design-wise, most of my electronics experience is fixing broken wires and replacing bad components :) |
| 05:28.39 | levi_ | Do you know how fast the PIC is? |
| 05:29.11 | QBFreak | 4Mhz? |
| 05:29.19 | levi_ | That's plenty. |
| 05:30.02 | QBFreak | one issue is it doesn't have near enough IOs |
| 05:30.42 | QBFreak | I suppose I could turn each grid's segments into a matrix, but I suspect they'd be dimmer as a result |
| 05:31.04 | QBFreak | not getting lit for the full duration of the pass, which I have no idea the timing on either... |
| 05:31.49 | QBFreak | 5x4 would give me 20, I think I only have 8 IOs though, which also makes it kinda hard to interface with anything else :) |
| 05:33.25 | QBFreak | of course I'd need 5x5x4, 14 outputs |
| 05:33.55 | levi_ | Some logic ought to be able to convert a few bits into the right pattern for a digit. |
| 05:35.28 | QBFreak | here's what I was thinking, a seperate circuit to run the display, a total of 90 bytes of buffer (18 segments * 5 grids), and maybe a timer and counter or some such to automatically transfer it to the display |
| 05:35.42 | QBFreak | and then let the PIC change the individual bits in the buffer |
| 05:36.04 | QBFreak | or does that still give me issues? |
| 05:37.00 | levi_ | Can't type much now, feeding baby w/one hand. |
| 05:37.47 | QBFreak | ah |
| 05:38.00 | QBFreak | my friend who went to school for all this good stuff is AFK apparently |
| 05:38.54 | SpecialK | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the%20hildebeast%22 |
| 05:38.55 | brac | ["the hildebeast" - Google Search] |
| 05:40.06 | QBFreak | I don't know how much this throws a wrench in things, the segment voltage is 9v AC relative to internal ground |
| 05:42.00 | findlay | why are terminal color tokens so wierd looking? |
| 05:42.21 | QBFreak | ^[<number>; ? |
| 05:42.46 | findlay | something like that |
| 05:43.02 | QBFreak | thats called an escape sequence |
| 05:43.16 | findlay | \x1b[34;01m |
| 05:44.07 | QBFreak | the semicolon is a seperator, I think maybe FG;BG ? the m indicates set color I believe |
| 05:44.33 | findlay | where can I learn about that? |
| 05:44.53 | brac | [ANSI CODES (RRBrandt Tutoriais Redes)] |
| 05:45.00 | QBFreak | yeah, the m is color |
| 05:45.04 | QBFreak | ESC[Ps;...;Psm |
| 05:45.10 | QBFreak | actually set graphics mode |
| 05:45.42 | QBFreak | text attributes, fg color, bg color |
| 05:45.52 | QBFreak | ah, you can set multiple at once with the ; seperating them |
| 05:46.18 | QBFreak | your example sets 34 (blue) and 01 (bold on) |
| 05:47.49 | QBFreak | you should be able to type those straight into a text file and then cat it on a console to try them out |
| 05:49.26 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.44 | findlay | because I need to get real work done (: |
| 05:51.21 | QBFreak | hehe |
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| 05:57.36 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 05:57.50 | findlay | yeh |
| 05:59.23 | QBFreak | heyeh ? |
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| 06:06.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, ! |
| 06:06.37 | xbmodder_lappy | set your RDNS please |
| 06:07.04 | Hhhhh | huh? |
| 06:07.17 | Hhhhh | RDNS? |
| 06:07.31 | Hhhhh | pardon my ignorance |
| 06:08.58 | xbmodder_lappy | reverse DNS |
| 06:09.02 | xbmodder_lappy | no problem, s'ok |
| 06:10.28 | Hhhhh | what's that? |
| 06:10.33 | Hhhhh | and how do you set it? |
| 06:10.47 | xbmodder_lappy | um, who is your ISP? |
| 06:10.57 | xbmodder_lappy | its like a vanity address for your IP |
| 06:11.22 | Hhhhh | hmm, like hiding your IP? |
| 06:11.32 | xbmodder_lappy | sorta |
| 06:11.33 | Hhhhh | my ISP is iProvo |
| 06:19.51 | Hhhhh | xbmodder_lappy, how do you set the RDNS thingy? |
| 06:22.07 | xbmodder_lappy | well, you have to contact your ISP and ask them to set it up |
| 06:22.40 | xbmodder_lappy | most likely they will already have some internal IP-masking ready for you, but if not, you can get a virtual domain that points to your IP |
| 06:22.49 | xbmodder_lappy | s/virtual /sub/ |
| 06:23.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhh, do you have static IP? |
| 06:23.29 | Hhhhh | no |
| 06:23.36 | Hhhhh | I'm actually behind a router |
| 06:23.44 | Hhhhh | that I don't control :( |
| 06:24.26 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 06:24.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
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| 07:13.13 | QBFreak | arg, I can't even get knoppix to play an MP3 |
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| 07:39.44 | levi_ | Yay, my accelerometer program produces sane output now. |
| 07:39.50 | levi_ | Time for sleep. |
| 07:41.21 | QBFreak | cool |
| 07:41.24 | QBFreak | laters levi |
| 07:41.29 | QBFreak | thanks for the tips |
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| 07:42.01 | QBFreak | talked to my friend, $75ish for USB interface to buttons/display |
| 07:42.49 | QBFreak | now I need a distro that wants to work with this \i810 |
| 07:43.19 | QBFreak | box |
| 07:45.18 | BL4 | not much works that comes out of the ox... |
| 07:45.29 | QBFreak | box |
| 07:45.40 | BL4 | ox made me happy |
| 07:45.43 | QBFreak | I had two keyboards on the desk and I was having the darnedest time typing on the farther one |
| 07:45.55 | BL4 | lol, yeah, I do that sometimes too, I type on the wrong keyboard |
| 07:45.57 | QBFreak | freakin gateway only takes USB |
| 08:09.08 | BL4 | lol, my last usb keyboard died on me |
| 08:09.20 | QBFreak | I just ordered one, this one is my sisters |
| 08:09.38 | QBFreak | got her a new PC and left the old keyboard with it, I'm messing with her old PC |
| 08:22.07 | QBFreak | arg |
| 08:22.10 | QBFreak | help! |
| 08:22.28 | QBFreak | trying to play an MP3 |
| 08:22.45 | QBFreak | I turned the volume up all the way in alsamixer |
| 08:23.22 | QBFreak | I've tried mpg123, mpg321, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp I can't get ANY sound out of it |
| 08:23.25 | QBFreak | no errors |
| 08:45.18 | BL4 | that sucks... |
| 08:47.00 | BL4 | I'm trying to debug my assembly program |
| 08:47.30 | QBFreak | sounds like fun |
| 08:47.41 | BL4 | yeah, I actually just got it to work to |
| 08:47.49 | BL4 | I can now convert a number into a hex value |
| 08:47.52 | BL4 | bwa ha ha ha |
| 08:49.01 | BL4 | woops... I mean convert a number in to an ASCII version in hex values |
| 08:50.49 | BL4 | I'm teaching myself assembly, its challenging |
| 08:51.21 | QBFreak | yeah, I have a programmable microcontroller, tried to do something relatively simple and managed to mess it up pretty good :) |
| 08:51.29 | BL4 | lol |
| 08:51.58 | BL4 | I'm doing it with my PC computer though, making it boot off of a floppy directly into my program :) |
| 08:52.05 | QBFreak | cool |
| 08:52.22 | QBFreak | I had a friend who did some of that, he actually had a simple multi-tasking thing going |
| 08:52.31 | BL4 | cool, the learning curve is horrible |
| 08:52.34 | QBFreak | one printed "A" to the screen and one "B" |
| 08:52.38 | BL4 | lol |
| 08:52.43 | QBFreak | and all it did was boot and say AAAAABBBBBBAAAAABBB |
| 08:52.48 | QBFreak | but it sure was nifty :) |
| 08:53.11 | BL4 | sweet, I'm not to multitasking yet...I'm still dealing with basic boot stuff... |
| 08:53.16 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 08:53.24 | QBFreak | I never got to anything :) |
| 08:53.35 | QBFreak | I have an assembly book somewhere, but yeah |
| 08:53.41 | BL4 | My next goal is to figure out how much memory I can play with and where I can play with it |
| 08:53.58 | QBFreak | ooo |
| 08:55.29 | BL4 | yeah, exciting...I get to talk to the "dumb" bios |
| 08:55.50 | BL4 | either that or I get to try and probe the memory,...which could really screw things up. |
| 08:56.29 | BL4 | reminds me when I was like 7, I got my dad's computer to reboot ever 20 minutes by playing with the bios settings....we never figured out what was wrong with it. |
| 08:56.40 | BL4 | I figure I fried something on the motherboard. |
| 08:58.10 | QBFreak | hehe |
| 08:58.42 | QBFreak | I wonder what it was, there weren't things like multipliers and voltages you could set back then, all wired into the board iirc |
| 09:01.07 | *** join/#utah BL4 (n=Bl4QKUBA@3-1-0.ore.fiber.net) |
| 09:01.32 | BL4 | we even sent it into the manufactuer, and they couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. |
| 09:01.52 | QBFreak | wow |
| 09:02.17 | BL4 | so, yes, we could use the computer, but it would reboot faithfully 20 minutes into operation |
| 09:02.35 | BL4 | I got my own computer out of that deal |
| 09:02.36 | BL4 | :P |
| 09:02.49 | QBFreak | heh |
| 09:03.22 | BL4 | well, my dad didn't want me screwing his up anymore...so I got an older computer,.... |
| 09:03.27 | BL4 | since then, I fear the bios... |
| 09:03.41 | BL4 | JK, I just don't change things when I'm not sure what they'll do |
| 09:04.43 | QBFreak | yeah, good policy |
| 09:05.06 | QBFreak | but at the same time geeks have the urge to tweak every knob and push every button |
| 09:05.10 | BL4 | With lots of software items, I still screw around...cause you can always reinstall...just a bit wary of the bios these days |
| 09:05.28 | BL4 | not to mention, the bios is rather boring... |
| 09:05.31 | QBFreak | as long as it still boots, in most cases you can reflash it :) |
| 09:06.02 | BL4 | most of my computers are cheap enough I could replace it for $25.00 anyway |
| 09:06.17 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 09:08.33 | BL4 | so is the sound still being a pain in the rear end? |
| 09:11.54 | BL4 | QBFreak, have you checked that you have the speakers plugged into the correct output... |
| 09:12.02 | QBFreak | yes |
| 09:12.11 | QBFreak | and someone just pointed out my problem |
| 09:12.12 | BL4 | just checking, I've done that one before... |
| 09:12.18 | QBFreak | I had turned up the volume but not unmuted it |
| 09:12.25 | BL4 | lol |
| 09:12.34 | QBFreak | pebcak! |
| 09:13.19 | BL4 | well, at least it is figured out |
| 09:13.29 | BL4 | so, your sister actually wants a linux machine? |
| 09:13.46 | QBFreak | no, I don't think she ever wants to see the thing again |
| 09:13.47 | BL4 | or did you just steal your sisters computer? |
| 09:14.02 | QBFreak | I replaced hers, trying to make use of the old one |
| 09:14.09 | BL4 | ahh, I like doing that |
| 09:14.22 | QBFreak | I gave it to her in the first place, so really I'm just getting it back :) |
| 09:14.26 | BL4 | thats how I got some of my computers....they don't want it, its not worth anything, so I'll take it. |
| 09:14.38 | QBFreak | thats how I used to get most of my stuff |
| 09:14.43 | BL4 | I let one of my friends use one of my computers, and he did me the favor of taking it to DI :( |
| 09:14.56 | QBFreak | DI? |
| 09:15.06 | BL4 | um, charity place... |
| 09:15.09 | QBFreak | ah ok |
| 09:15.13 | BL4 | where are you from QBFreak? |
| 09:15.21 | QBFreak | not Utah :) |
| 09:15.24 | QBFreak | North Carolina |
| 09:15.34 | BL4 | thats what I figured, since you didn't know what DI was. |
| 09:16.04 | BL4 | I was like, he doesn't know what DI is, he must be from North Carolina ;) |
| 09:17.05 | BL4 | so do you have friends that moved to utah, or do you just like to hang here? |
| 09:17.18 | QBFreak | I know tene from another network |
| 09:17.34 | BL4 | cool |
| 09:17.35 | QBFreak | I was beating my head on cdrecord and he sent me here |
| 09:17.51 | QBFreak | I am the guest that never leaves... :) |
| 09:18.02 | BL4 | ah, yes, I get to beat my head over that later...I need to install it on my main computer... |
| 09:18.48 | QBFreak | I was trying to determine what type of disc was in the drive, CD or DVD |
| 09:19.14 | BL4 | I want to try playing with the 8 mm cds and 8 mm dvds |
| 09:20.17 | QBFreak | the 210MB CDs? |
| 09:20.25 | BL4 | yeah, the 210 MB CDs |
| 09:20.34 | QBFreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.49 | QBFreak | walmart moved them to clearance, I figured I'd get more before they were gone |
| 09:20.51 | BL4 | I think its cool because they are the size of floppys, which are my friends :D |
| 09:21.07 | BL4 | Staples has them. |
| 09:21.40 | QBFreak | and they just look cool when you put them data-side out in their slim jewel cases |
| 09:21.41 | BL4 | ever program in basic? Thats what assembly reminds me of. |
| 09:21.52 | QBFreak | QBasicFreak :) |
| 09:22.35 | BL4 | have you programmed anything interesting recently? |
| 09:23.16 | BL4 | I was working on a rude smtp server. When it didn't like what the user gave, it was like NO! but then I made it nicer. |
| 09:23.17 | BL4 | :P |
| 09:23.23 | QBFreak | I wrote a simple program to reformat some tab delimited data in VB, as for interesting I did a web server a few years back |
| 09:23.45 | BL4 | oh yeah, you were telling me about that earlier |
| 09:23.56 | QBFreak | the stuff to format the data paid pretty good :) |
| 09:24.12 | BL4 | is that what you do for work these days, program? |
| 09:24.18 | QBFreak | I wish |
| 09:24.29 | BL4 | technical support? |
| 09:24.36 | QBFreak | still trying to find a job in the field, right now I'm delivering pizza |
| 09:24.47 | BL4 | yay, thats okay, I'm unemployed. |
| 09:24.53 | BL4 | I've been doing temp work and what not |
| 09:24.59 | BL4 | mostly I've just been playing :P |
| 09:25.09 | BL4 | but my bills are going to catch up to me soon |
| 09:25.17 | QBFreak | yeah, I tried to get the temp agency to give me something, but they havn't found me anything yet |
| 09:25.30 | BL4 | I was digging ditches and what not |
| 09:25.35 | QBFreak | fun |
| 09:25.41 | BL4 | oh yeah, that was my favorite job |
| 09:25.54 | BL4 | another job had me looking for blotches on paper...palletes of paper |
| 09:26.00 | QBFreak | ack |
| 09:26.06 | QBFreak | that sounds worse that ditches |
| 09:26.08 | BL4 | that made me dizzy |
| 09:26.21 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 09:26.34 | BL4 | I would rather dig ditches... |
| 09:26.43 | BL4 | oh, and lift concrete, thats always fun too |
| 09:26.43 | QBFreak | I used to have a neighbor that checked lables for misprints and ink blots |
| 09:26.53 | BL4 | yeah, this was plain paper |
| 09:27.07 | QBFreak | I could get all the free lables I wanted, always plenty of screw ups |
| 09:27.12 | BL4 | lol |
| 09:27.31 | QBFreak | I think I still have some exabyte lables somewhere from 10 years ago or more |
| 09:27.47 | BL4 | yay for old lables |
| 09:28.10 | BL4 | I thinking I'm wired for all night... |
| 09:28.17 | BL4 | I slept until 3 pm yesterday |
| 09:28.28 | BL4 | I went to bed at like midnight too... |
| 09:28.43 | QBFreak | its 5:30am for me |
| 09:28.49 | QBFreak | I really need to go to bed |
| 09:28.56 | BL4 | lol, its only 3:30 AM here... |
| 09:29.01 | QBFreak | lucky! |
| 09:29.14 | QBFreak | I could get another two hours of stuff done |
| 09:29.29 | BL4 | hey, I'm happy, I actually wrote a useful program in assembly |
| 09:30.51 | BL4 | my goal is to stay up until 5:00 PM today |
| 09:31.11 | BL4 | then my sleeping schedule will be somewhat normal |
| 09:33.48 | QBFreak | yeah, I've done things like that before |
| 09:34.04 | QBFreak | my problem is I need ot be alert for my job, and it doesn't start till 5pm |
| 09:35.08 | BL4 | ah, I see...so stay up late, get up around 3 - 4 pm? |
| 09:36.02 | QBFreak | anywhere from noon to 2, I try for noon at the latest |
| 09:36.13 | QBFreak | I generally leave at 4, get lunch first |
| 09:36.21 | QBFreak | fridays I need ot be in earlier |
| 09:37.06 | BL4 | fun |
| 09:37.21 | BL4 | I suppose you don't want to fall asleep delivering pizzas |
| 09:39.18 | QBFreak | no |
| 09:39.30 | QBFreak | I have done it on far too little sleep before, not something I like to do |
| 09:39.52 | BL4 | my portable cd player is dying, I've had it for over 5 years. |
| 09:39.58 | BL4 | :( |
| 09:40.12 | QBFreak | ack |
| 09:40.18 | QBFreak | my stereo no longer plays CDs |
| 09:40.27 | QBFreak | and the remote died |
| 09:40.41 | QBFreak | and the speaker connectors wore out |
| 09:40.55 | QBFreak | so now I use it for radio and read computer speakers |
| 09:41.11 | QBFreak | universal remote, wired RCA jacks for the speakers |
| 09:41.33 | QBFreak | and now I'm about to tear the stereo out of the case and put a computer in it |
| 09:42.22 | BL4 | ha ha ha |
| 09:42.27 | BL4 | thats great |
| 09:42.35 | QBFreak | gonna cost almost $75 for the hardware to interface with the display and the front buttons, but I think once its all done it'll be worth it |
| 09:43.39 | QBFreak | $30 for the controller, $25 for the USB adapter (this thing has virtually NO ports except USB), and $14+ for the various supporting components |
| 09:44.09 | QBFreak | I also need to find a small amp to put in it to drive the speakers |
| 09:44.20 | QBFreak | or get my friend to build one with whats left of the old internals |
| 09:44.23 | BL4 | he he :D |
| 09:45.09 | QBFreak | he's already going to be putting the interface together for me |
| 09:46.41 | QBFreak | this board is nearly perfect for this, its really small and has three on-board audio inputs, not counting the external line-in and mic |
| 09:46.50 | QBFreak | the PS is also pretty small |
| 09:47.11 | QBFreak | gateway did OK on this one, I wont say they did good, but not too bad :) |
| 09:47.43 | QBFreak | kind of annoying that the only ports are USB, audio and modem |
| 09:47.51 | QBFreak | not even PS/2 |
| 09:48.19 | QBFreak | I found one internal serial port, and I added a network card in the half-height PCI slots |
| 09:49.03 | BL4 | he he :D |
| 09:49.07 | QBFreak | most likely use the serial for LIRC |
| 09:49.10 | BL4 | you could've added a usb network card |
| 09:49.23 | QBFreak | yeah, but at the time this is what I had |
| 09:49.41 | QBFreak | cheap itty bitty network card, took the bracket off and it fit just fine |
| 09:49.59 | QBFreak | the USB NIC is on its way, along with a USB keyboard |
| 09:50.10 | QBFreak | should arrive thurs |
| 09:52.22 | BL4 | ahh, time is of the essence |
| 09:55.02 | BL4 | ahh, the bios tells me 0x63... |
| 10:00.21 | BL4 | which means...? |
| 10:02.11 | QBFreak | 99! |
| 10:02.18 | QBFreak | year maybe? is the date set? :) |
| 10:07.10 | BL4 | well, I didn't read all of it, it was a bios service that tells me some things in my computer...it was actually 0x4263 that it said :P It said I have a math co processor, no PS/2 Mouse installed, I'm using EGA/VGA mode, I have two disk drives, five serial adapters?, no game adapter, and 3 parallel adapters |
| 10:08.10 | QBFreak | I imagine the serial and parallel are the max it supports, dunno |
| 10:08.21 | BL4 | no idea... |
| 10:08.26 | QBFreak | four serial used to be relatively common, and the fifth would be modem I imagine |
| 10:08.35 | BL4 | that would make sense... |
| 10:08.52 | BL4 | I'm just having fun having the bios tell me stuff :P |
| 10:09.14 | QBFreak | a bit of trivia for you, the 3rd and 4th serial ports share IRQs with the 1st and 2nd |
| 10:09.23 | BL4 | I just ran a really old call, it tells me I have 640 KBs of RAM :D |
| 10:09.24 | QBFreak | 1 and 3, 2 and 4 |
| 10:09.28 | QBFreak | hehe |
| 10:09.46 | BL4 | I suppose that one isn't very useful |
| 10:09.52 | QBFreak | no :) |
| 10:10.11 | BL4 | backwards compatible I suppose :D |
| 10:10.49 | QBFreak | arg, I told you to install screen dangit |
| 10:11.04 | QBFreak | 'make install' and I can't find it |
| 10:11.27 | BL4 | lol... it installed it good for you :D |
| 10:11.38 | BL4 | sometimes install doesn't do much, sadly |
| 10:12.03 | BL4 | like any makefiles that I have made, I don't have an install |
| 10:12.25 | BL4 | screen is fun to put on a server and teach ppl far away from you how to do things |
| 10:12.44 | BL4 | multiple ppl attached to the same screen session |
| 10:12.50 | QBFreak | I use it for IRC among other things |
| 10:13.10 | QBFreak | I run IRSSI on my server inside of screen, so I don't disconnect for reboots and the like |
| 10:13.22 | BL4 | gotchya |
| 10:13.42 | BL4 | sometimes I'll run a program and just detach it from my current terminal.. |
| 10:14.28 | QBFreak | its wonderful like that |
| 10:14.51 | QBFreak | I also use it for 'tabs' a lot, darn you firefox you got me addicted |
| 10:15.44 | QBFreak | very handy for programming, code in one window, testing in another |
| 10:16.30 | BL4 | yeppers |
| 10:16.45 | BL4 | I just use to many OSes to get everything configured the way I want it |
| 10:16.57 | BL4 | I use Mac OS X for my main computer |
| 10:17.15 | BL4 | LFS for my file server/programming/etc... |
| 10:17.29 | BL4 | Windows for my family history/windows based games |
| 10:17.32 | BL4 | Dos for dos games |
| 10:17.42 | BL4 | Damn small linux for my laptop |
| 10:17.51 | BL4 | its hard to figure out how to configure everything |
| 10:18.06 | QBFreak | heh yeah |
| 10:18.15 | QBFreak | I mainly use windows and fedora |
| 10:22.11 | BL4 | yay, now my computer says I have over 64 MB of ram, but it isn't sure how much over :P |
| 10:22.25 | BL4 | looks like I still need a better call |
| 10:25.33 | BL4 | ~lart assembly |
| 10:32.29 | QBFreak | hmm, I need to change file and folder permissions recursively, but the file perms need to be different from the folder perms |
| 10:32.54 | BL4 | ew |
| 10:33.14 | QBFreak | I know it can be done, I've done it before |
| 10:33.16 | QBFreak | but I forgot how |
| 10:33.19 | BL4 | sounds like something to script |
| 10:33.20 | BL4 | :P |
| 10:40.35 | BL4 | chmod doesn't look like it supports what your looking for |
| 10:41.22 | QBFreak | find . -name *.mp3 -exec chmod a-x {} \; |
| 10:43.03 | BL4 | sweet |
| 10:43.29 | QBFreak | pulled that out of the twiki docs :) |
| 10:45.42 | BL4 | mmm, sounds like twinkie |
| 10:46.40 | QBFreak | nope, enterprise class wiki |
| 10:54.05 | QBFreak | yay! mserv works |
| 10:54.07 | QBFreak | bed time! |
| 10:54.09 | QBFreak | goodnight |
| 10:58.50 | BL4 | alright, night |
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| 12:19.16 | mheath_ | ~lart wikipedia |
| 12:19.34 | BL4 | ~lart google |
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| 12:19.52 | BL4 | ~lart all search engines |
| 12:20.28 | BL4 | morning mheath_ |
| 12:20.36 | BL4 | why the hatred towards wikipedia |
| 12:20.59 | mheath_ | I put up a flag on an article, proposing splits |
| 12:21.12 | BL4 | oh fun :D |
| 12:21.26 | mheath_ | Some guy shows up, who obviously knows nothing about the article in question, and starts tearing it to pieces |
| 12:21.45 | mheath_ | ignoring my comments |
| 12:22.07 | BL4 | well, obviously his way was better |
| 12:23.15 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 12:24.03 | BL4 | at least from his prospective |
| 12:24.11 | BL4 | mheath_ whats the article? |
| 12:24.57 | mheath_ | BL4, "Sea Cadets". Be warned that he's moved a lot of the stuff on the Talk Page around to the point where a lot of my comments seem random and out of place. |
| 12:30.25 | BL4 | ha ha ha |
| 12:30.37 | BL4 | both suggested to be merged and split from and to the same file |
| 12:31.14 | BL4 | or should I say, this looks misplaced... It has been suggested that this article or section be merged into Royal Canadian Sea Cadets. |
| 12:31.38 | BL4 | lets just say ew |
| 12:31.43 | BL4 | good luck getting it fixed |
| 12:32.01 | mheath_ | BL4, how is that misplaced? |
| 12:33.43 | BL4 | well, its just interesting that it is suggested to be merged into Royal Canadian Sea Cadets and suggested to have Royal Canadian Sea Cadets merged into this one as well... Seems like filea >> fileb filbe >> filea = loop |
| 12:34.09 | BL4 | of course, unless you really just mean filea + fileb = filec :P |
| 12:35.32 | mheath_ | Oh! |
| 12:35.42 | mheath_ | I didn't know he added the merge thing to the Royal Canadian Sea Cadets |
| 12:35.51 | BL4 | oh, lol |
| 12:35.51 | mheath_ | Thats silly =\ |
| 12:35.57 | BL4 | thats what I thought |
| 12:37.34 | mheath_ | He got upset at me for talking about the "Navy League" on the Talk page of "Sea Cadets" |
| 12:37.43 | mheath_ | I was just trying to sort out where to move stuff |
| 12:37.50 | BL4 | lol |
| 12:38.13 | BL4 | some ppl are really picky about stuff...and want to sort it their way |
| 12:38.27 | mheath_ | And I figured, being that we're moving so much stuff from *there* to Navy League related pages, that that would be just as good of a place to talk about it |
| 12:38.54 | mheath_ | As opposed to going to many different pages and starting many different discussions about renaming on many different talk pages |
| 12:39.01 | BL4 | I suppose its like one of these irc rooms, you never know when someone is going to flame you for talking about something slightly off topic... |
| 12:40.39 | mheath_ | Kinda getting bugged my Wikipedia's organization |
| 12:40.46 | mheath_ | I sat working on one article for a long time |
| 12:41.06 | mheath_ | before I discovered that it was redundant, and much more information was contained in another, more ambiguous, page. |
| 12:42.02 | BL4 | its like dmoz... |
| 12:43.13 | goozbach | just be glad it's nothing important |
| 12:43.39 | mheath_ | well, thats the thing |
| 12:43.41 | goozbach | like re-aranginging the cup cubboard |
| 12:44.01 | mheath_ | all the important stuff on wikipeida is excellent. Well organized, not redundant, tons of information |
| 12:44.07 | mheath_ | goozbach: haha. |
| 12:44.18 | goozbach | or the direction in which the TP hangs off the roll |
| 12:44.24 | BL4 | I did a search for NASM today on wiki, Netwide Assembler...and it came up with something weird. |
| 12:44.47 | goozbach | mheath_: laugh it up |
| 12:44.59 | sjansen | ~rearrange goozbach's TP |
| 12:45.08 | goozbach | but getting pissed about wikipedia is just silly |
| 12:45.11 | mheath_ | I'm not really pissed |
| 12:45.23 | mheath_ | I'm not really pissed about anything right now. I'm in a really good mood :) |
| 12:45.23 | goozbach | then don't bother us with it |
| 12:45.34 | BL4 | hmm..maybe I'm not very good at searching for things... |
| 12:45.37 | sjansen | ~steal goozbach's TP |
| 12:45.40 | ibot | ACTION grabs goozbach's TP and gives it to sjansen |
| 12:45.52 | BL4 | or it changed this morning at 3:42 |
| 12:46.19 | mheath_ | goozbach: sorry I took so much of your time, rather than the wealth of other excellent conversation that would be happening in #utah at 6:45AM :) |
| 12:46.37 | BL4 | nope, I'm not good at searching for things... |
| 12:47.13 | goozbach | what you doing up this early anyway? |
| 12:47.41 | mheath_ | early? |
| 12:47.47 | BL4 | lol, well, I was going to say, my dialup says I've been connected for 5 and a half hours... |
| 12:48.02 | goozbach | ok so it's not all that early |
| 12:48.12 | BL4 | I didn't wake up until 3 PM yesterday. |
| 12:48.16 | mheath_ | I'm already 45 minutes *after* how late I'll get to sleep in on Sunday's while in basic training. |
| 12:49.00 | BL4 | lol |
| 12:49.44 | BL4 | the problem is that I got my sleeping schedule skewed a week ago |
| 12:49.50 | BL4 | I haven't gotten things back on track yet |
| 12:56.39 | sjansen | ~ping anybody |
| 12:56.41 | ibot | pong anybody |
| 12:57.24 | sjansen | stupid power outlet |
| 12:57.37 | BL4 | ~ping sjansen |
| 12:57.38 | ibot | pong sjansen |
| 13:01.35 | BL4 | night everybody |
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| 13:06.32 | goozbach | ~dog sjansen |
| 13:06.34 | ibot | ACTION stares at sjansen until sjansen whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 13:19.37 | redman1 | hey goozbach, you ever post that pork chops recipe? |
| 13:22.38 | mheath_ | oooooh |
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| 13:50.43 | sjansen | You know, it's amazing how much joy I get from the rich blackness of a brand new whiteboard marker. |
| 13:52.52 | redman1 | sjansen: by amazing, you mean sad, right? |
| 13:56.00 | sjansen | redman1: You're just jealous of my happiness. |
| 13:56.59 | redman1 | sjansen: i mock your happiness. |
| 13:57.22 | redman1 | hey, anyone know what plug is tonight? |
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| 13:57.45 | redman1 | speak of the devil |
| 13:57.59 | redman1 | kind of |
| 14:00.38 | goozbach | redman1: nope, haven't gotten around to it |
| 14:00.47 | goozbach | been kinda 'distracted' :) |
| 14:01.07 | goozbach | http://www.friocorte.com/talam/photo?photo_id=8237 <- blame her |
| 14:02.55 | goozbach | sjansen: you started carring your own markers around yet? |
| 14:06.14 | redman1 | goozbach: i guess i can forgive you for that distraction |
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| 14:31.50 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 14:39.34 | redman1 | http://www.recipezaar.com/67735 |
| 14:39.35 | brac | [Will'S Vegan Haggis Recipe] |
| 14:39.49 | redman1 | in a way it's a perfect match... |
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| 14:39.55 | vontrapp | -lart el |
| 14:40.04 | vontrapp | aah, he left |
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| 15:06.07 | sjansen | Vegan Haggis? If ever there was an appropriate use of the word oxymoronic... |
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| 15:06.43 | Jayce^ | you're moronic if you eat it, and need oxy-clean to get the taste out? :) |
| 15:06.50 | flyboy^ | Has anyone here ever run an IRC web gateway or anything? |
| 15:07.16 | redman1 | well, you know, how many people do you know in their right mind that would either eat haggis or go vegan? it's a perfect match? |
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| 15:07.43 | flyboy^ | I'm thinking of providing a link on my site that will open up a connection to freenode and drop a visitor in a set channel - then send my phone an e-mail to let me know they are connected. |
| 15:07.47 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 15:08.47 | flyboy^ | Has anyone played around with something similar before? |
| 15:08.54 | flyboy^ | The last thing I want is to have my box klined. |
| 15:09.14 | sjansen | ~kline flyboy^ |
| 15:10.01 | flyboy^ | Okay, so ---- bad idea? |
| 15:10.44 | sjansen | ~confuse flyboy^ |
| 15:10.45 | ibot | yes those are their pants yesterday ? |
| 15:11.13 | flyboy^ | I was already confused, do you need to further confuse a confused person... will they some how become MORE confused? |
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| 15:11.34 | sjansen | Playmate of the month : Florence Nightingale (1820 - 1910) [ from: http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~dlunn/b8_03/b8_mt03.htm ] |
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| 15:12.02 | flyboy^ | sjansen: Is that work safe? ;) |
| 15:12.29 | flyboy^ | Hey sjansen, you work for Guru right? |
| 15:12.32 | sjansen | yup |
| 15:12.42 | flyboy^ | Do you mind if I /msg you? |
| 15:13.00 | sjansen | go ahead, I'm teaching so I'll be randomly AFK |
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| 15:29.22 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:29.30 | ^Migs^ | GREETINGS |
| 15:29.48 | findlay | Good morning, Dr. Levi. I trust I find you in good health. |
| 15:30.11 | levi | Yes, I am quite well today. |
| 15:30.30 | findlay | Excellent. |
| 15:30.41 | levi | I made good progress on my accelerometer code last night. |
| 15:33.22 | levi | I now get a fairly steady stream of mostly calibrated readings. I just need to integrate the data points a couple of times and plot the resulting coordinates now. |
| 15:38.23 | levi | Mmmm, Neko Case. |
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| 16:14.53 | harleypig | Is anyone familiar with, or having problems with, a black screen when starting x? I have a NVidia GeForce 7800 GTX Go on an AMD64 Dual Core. |
| 16:14.59 | harleypig | I've found a number of threads on various forums but none of those fixed seem to work. |
| 16:15.05 | harleypig | s/fixed/fixes/ |
| 16:15.16 | ^Migs^ | this is nice: http://www.projectoffset.com/downloads.html |
| 16:15.17 | brac | [Offset - Game Design] |
| 16:15.19 | ^Migs^ | cinematic rendering engine |
| 16:15.24 | redman1 | harleypig: have you tried turning on the monitor? |
| 16:15.32 | elg | is the duehickey on the right frequencies? |
| 16:15.56 | elg | have you tried reversing the polarity with a flux capacitor? |
| 16:16.38 | elg | what makes the red man red? |
| 16:16.45 | redman1 | the beard |
| 16:16.46 | harleypig | His beard. |
| 16:17.22 | redman1 | bonus: it's a subtle way of rooting for utah |
| 16:17.55 | elg | what happened to redbeard? why redman? |
| 16:18.33 | redman1 | there was a shifty guy in here yesterday, so i'm avoiding him |
| 16:18.50 | elg | sjansen is still ehre |
| 16:18.56 | elg | s/ehre/here/ |
| 16:19.04 | redman1 | no, the guy from IDI and OGF |
| 16:19.19 | redman1 | sjansen isn't so bad. |
| 16:19.27 | redman1 | wait, sjansen, are you still on the road? |
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| 16:27.31 | sjansen | redman1: yes, I'm in Newwark, NJ |
| 16:27.50 | sjansen | ~punish elg |
| 16:27.51 | ibot | ACTION forces elg to install and use Windows |
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| 16:35.47 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 16:36.43 | redman1 | yeah, sjansen is on the other side of the country, so he's not that bad |
| 16:39.22 | sjansen | ~punish redman1 |
| 16:39.23 | ibot | ACTION forces redman1 to install and use Windows |
| 16:39.33 | redman1 | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:42.23 | harleypig | sjansen: that's not that bad a lart ... redman1 already uses windows. |
| 16:42.44 | harleypig | ~lart redman1 |
| 16:42.49 | harleypig | HAH! |
| 16:43.11 | redman1 | actually, i'm using ubuntu at home now. |
| 16:43.33 | sjansen | Using Windows _is_ a punishment. It's not my fault if he's a fool or a masochist. |
| 16:43.34 | ^Migs^ | ~rlart |
| 16:43.54 | redman1 | don't have much of a choice at work... if i didn't have to QA things in ie, i'd have switched over there too |
| 16:44.08 | sjansen | suuuuuuuuuuuuuure |
| 16:44.09 | ^Migs^ | ~rlart |
| 16:44.17 | harleypig | Did you read the paper today? |
| 16:44.23 | harleypig | Did you read the thing about the ... |
| 16:44.27 | harleypig | eskimos? |
| 16:44.30 | levi | Using Windows isn't too bad at running putty to my linux box. |
| 16:47.05 | levi | This is good news for Ruby fans: http://martinfowler.com/bliki/EvaluatingRuby.html |
| 16:47.13 | harleypig | SPATUL |
| 16:47.15 | harleypig | A! |
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| 16:48.41 | sjansen | ~macadamia harleypig |
| 16:48.56 | redman1 | ~dog harleypig |
| 16:48.58 | ibot | ACTION stares at harleypig until harleypig whimpers and pees all over himself. |
| 16:48.58 | harleypig | SHINDIG! |
| 16:49.27 | harleypig | GOLDEN RAIN! |
| 16:50.54 | levi | ... |
| 16:51.15 | harleypig | not into water sports? |
| 16:51.16 | harleypig | :> |
| 16:52.03 | bonez39 | levi, I have been running putty a year or so now..it works well |
| 16:53.14 | ^Migs^ | omg, we get our new computers in a couple days |
| 16:53.52 | ^Migs^ | that's the great part about working in a tech services department. We always get the best stuff. |
| 16:54.00 | harleypig | "Calvin and Hobbes was essentially the illegitimate child of Dennis the Menace and Christopher Robin with his stuffed tiger, Tigger." - DNRC |
| 16:56.10 | harleypig | "I can tell you this, they are all sitting 2 inches higher in their seats, because they all just crapped their pants." - Induhvidual Quote on DNRCC |
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| 17:10.54 | tensai | anybody else get this email from daniel.t.ericsson@gmail.com? |
| 17:11.09 | tensai | "Subject: Motivational factors for open source development" |
| 17:11.32 | ^Migs^ | yeah, I asked dan to send that to everyone |
| 17:14.05 | levi | Wow, this is really good stuff: http://www.paulsimon.com/player.php |
| 17:14.05 | brac | [PAUL SIMON: TRACK LISTING] |
| 17:14.22 | levi | (It's a whole streaming album, a collaboration of Paul Simon with Brian Eno) |
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| 17:16.14 | levi | Hmm, maybe not the full album, but at least the full first track. |
| 17:16.28 | redman1 | love brian eno |
| 17:17.59 | ^Migs^ | brian emo? |
| 17:18.09 | redman1 | gah! |
| 17:18.38 | ^Migs^ | http://www.justinreeve.com/lilemo.jpg |
| 17:18.51 | ^Migs^ | that's a great picture ^^ |
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| 17:26.21 | herlo | damned Ctrl+X |
| 17:26.30 | herlo | redman1, if only, if only |
| 17:27.03 | herlo | its part of a few of the courses I will be teaching |
| 17:27.22 | herlo | so I must learn it... |
| 17:27.40 | herlo | Zoe: to the job sir, to the job... <serenity> |
| 17:27.57 | tensai | ~lart emacs |
| 17:28.16 | herlo | poor emacs |
| 17:28.32 | herlo | ibot: do you have a chainsaw too? |
| 17:28.35 | ibot | yes, I have a chainsaw too. |
| 17:28.46 | herlo | ibot: oooh, scary |
| 17:28.49 | tensai | herlo: they say if you remap your ctrl key, your hand won't turn into a gnarled mess as quickly |
| 17:29.15 | herlo | so tensai: what should I remap it to? caps lock? |
| 17:29.15 | tensai | ibot: do you love me? |
| 17:29.17 | ibot | yes, I love me. |
| 17:29.22 | tensai | herlo: yes |
| 17:29.58 | herlo | tensai: I don't like solaris keyboards as they are now...the caps lock and control keys are all screwed up, but maybe that would be good specifically for emacs... |
| 17:30.08 | herlo | s/solaris/sun |
| 17:31.28 | tensai | herlo: I've tried it and couldn't get used to it, but then I don't use emacs |
| 17:32.52 | herlo | tensai: like I said, I prefer vi, but life doesn't always allow you what you prefer...:-D |
| 17:33.29 | tensai | herlo: no kidding. I prefer to be at home, but I'm stuck in #@&% Cheyenne. soon you'll know that joy all too well. |
| 17:34.51 | tensai | ha! take that iniquities of evil men! |
| 17:38.01 | elg | levi: apparently I've known martin fowler was a ruby convert longer than he has. ;-) |
| 17:38.09 | levi | elg: Heh. :) |
| 17:38.22 | levi | Well, as an ex-smalltalker, it's not surprising that he is. |
| 17:39.32 | levi | I did remap my control to caps lock. It's very nice. |
| 17:39.53 | elg | you mean mapping caps to control is nice |
| 17:40.03 | levi | Er, right. |
| 17:40.10 | elg | mapping control to caps is like keeping your old girlfriend in the trunk of your car |
| 17:40.31 | levi | When I hit the key labeled 'caps lock', the computer thinks I hit 'control'! |
| 17:41.47 | tensai | generally I don't push control with my finger, I mash it with my palm. problem solved, no remapping required |
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| 17:48.36 | findlay | I do that frequently too |
| 17:48.56 | elg | tensai: you must have mini-me hands |
| 17:49.18 | tensai | elg: yes. yes, I do. I can't reach a full octave on a piano. :( |
| 17:49.29 | findlay | I hit it with the side of my hand |
| 17:49.47 | tensai | no wait, I can get an octave but not by much |
| 17:50.33 | findlay | if you work on stretching the tissue between your fingers you can probably reach as far as another 3rd interval over time |
| 17:50.45 | elg | my palm is like 5 inches from the ctrl key |
| 17:50.54 | elg | ok, maybe 3 |
| 17:51.41 | herlo | tensai: why are you in Cheyenne? |
| 17:51.59 | tensai | herlo: fixing mail servers primarily |
| 17:52.07 | elg | findlay: if you have liszt's hands you can probably get to 3 octaves with practice |
| 17:52.15 | herlo | tensai: fun stuff.... |
| 17:52.20 | herlo | sorry its such a boring town |
| 17:52.50 | tensai | herlo: I wouldn't really know. being in the office 16 hours pretty much limits my extracurricular activities |
| 17:53.12 | tensai | otherwise it might be a hip happening place |
| 17:53.18 | tensai | just a few more days... |
| 17:54.02 | herlo | tensai: sorry to hear, I am in albuquerque where I can see out the window, but don't get to experience much of it... |
| 17:54.38 | tensai | herlo: I'm impressed you can spell that |
| 17:55.22 | herlo | yeah, I actually had to look it up, I'll thank lars-ut-away not to mention that I cannot spell....its really not true |
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| 17:55.40 | herlo | just because I didn't know how to spell oedipus |
| 17:56.15 | herlo | like anyone would expect the 'o' at the beginning of a word that sounds like it should start with 'e' |
| 17:57.24 | flyboy^ | Is there going to be an update to the PLUG site at all? |
| 17:57.30 | flyboy^ | Is there a meeting? |
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| 18:06.40 | sjansen | herlo: Yeah, teaching emacs is one of the few downsides to this job. :-( |
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| 18:13.46 | sjansen | flyboy^: There is a meeting. There isn't going to be an update to the Web site unless Jayce^ feels like it because. Plus used to have a Web master, but he was lazy and eventually quit after moving to Davis county. |
| 18:14.14 | sjansen | s/ because. Plus/. Plug/ |
| 18:17.12 | sjansen | tensai: Sure, we have to travel. But at least we don't have 16 hour days. |
| 18:18.08 | sjansen | Or fires. The day basically ends at 5pm. The only fires I have to worry about are fire drills during certification exams. |
| 18:19.22 | tensai | sjansen: fair enough. my job wasn't *supposed* to involve this much travel |
| 18:20.00 | goozbach | herlo: the good news is that the emacs coverage is greatly outshined by the vi/vim coverage. |
| 18:20.20 | goozbach | and the emacs coverage does get one to the point of being productive. |
| 18:20.48 | goozbach | I wrote most of that before I /completely/ gave up my emacs knowlege. |
| 18:23.27 | sjansen | Just think of the emacs slides as a chance to make fun of emacs users. |
| 18:23.54 | tensai | is it ever not appropriate to make fun of emacs users? |
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| 18:25.09 | sjansen | tensai: Did I mention that I ate at the Cheesecake factory the other day? And I'm trying to decide between steak or a minorly famous pizza joint. |
| 18:25.45 | tensai | sjansen: I had some absolutely delicious and tender bbq ribs the other day. and there's a pizza around here somewhere. |
| 18:25.45 | findlay | go to the Metropolitan Opera |
| 18:26.46 | findlay | go to the Philidelphia Symphony |
| 18:27.09 | elg | herlo: we new mexicans type albq or abq or occasionally alb |
| 18:31.02 | sjansen | ~~~~~~ Blatant Job SPAM ~~~~~~ |
| 18:31.14 | sjansen | Guru Labs is still hiring. |
| 18:31.51 | sjansen | Pros: Greate co-workers. Great learning experience. Red Hat certification. Travel. Food. |
| 18:32.26 | sjansen | Cons: Travel. Learning just how disappointing the restaurant selection in Utah is. |
| 18:32.39 | sjansen | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 18:34.12 | sjansen | Oh, and the job is pretty low stress. There's lots of variety... |
| 18:34.26 | ^Migs^ | do you have to be a teacher if you get hired at Guru Labs, or are there other positions? |
| 18:34.42 | sjansen | We're only looking for instructors. |
| 18:35.37 | sjansen | Everyone is probably sick of hearing it, but Guru Labs is run by a couple of real geeks. Not a pointy haired boss in sight... |
| 18:36.47 | goozbach | TRUE geeks |
| 18:37.09 | goozbach | bryan commonly ends his emails in: syn |
| 18:37.13 | goozbach | just to get a response |
| 18:37.34 | elg | ~syn goozbach |
| 18:37.49 | goozbach | ~ack elg |
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| 18:37.51 | herlo | goozbach, that's funny. I haven't seen that yet...but I expect to soon. |
| 18:38.43 | sjansen | ~iptables -s goozbach -j DROP |
| 18:38.44 | goozbach | if you don't have anything tying you down, and know or would like to learn a bunch about linux. |
| 18:38.54 | goozbach | why haven't you applied yet???!!! |
| 18:39.03 | ^Migs^ | I need to get a job down in Provo or something |
| 18:39.11 | ^Migs^ | Then I can move |
| 18:39.16 | goozbach | echo "ALL:sjansen" >> /etc/hosts.deny |
| 18:39.49 | elg | anyone know of a secret stash of good ooimpress templates? |
| 18:39.58 | elg | can it use powerpoint templates, btw? |
| 18:40.09 | sjansen | elg: couldn't hurt to try |
| 18:40.16 | herlo | goozbach: what are you suggesting, that someone should apply? |
| 18:40.23 | elg | searching for powerpoint templates might hurt. :) |
| 18:41.34 | sjansen | herlo: sort of, I think he's also looking for someone brave enough to say they're afraid of applying because they don't want to work with me |
| 18:41.42 | sjansen | but I'm much better IRL |
| 18:41.55 | elg | i'd work with sjansen, I'm not afraid |
| 18:42.02 | herlo | sjansen: I don't want to work with you...aaah crap |
| 18:42.09 | herlo | I already do |
| 18:42.18 | elg | as long as I don't have to use his laptop |
| 18:42.21 | herlo | ~lart sjansen for tricking herlo |
| 18:42.44 | herlo | elg: you don't get to use his laptop, is what you mean |
| 18:43.42 | elg | sjansen's got the same laptop vontrapp has. my eyes aren't that good |
| 18:43.45 | herlo | <doh> |
| 18:43.54 | levi | Heh, Mr. Bob from London, England wants to run a 419 scam on me. |
| 18:43.57 | herlo | 1920x1200? |
| 18:44.20 | herlo | ~lart Mr. Bob |
| 18:44.23 | ^Migs^ | do some scambaiting |
| 18:45.33 | sjansen | 1920x1200!!! |
| 18:46.07 | ^Migs^ | my resolution is only 1600x900 :( |
| 18:46.16 | ^Migs^ | my eyes are too bad for 1920x1200 |
| 18:46.18 | harleypig | I forgot! TOnight is plug ... anyone going near spanish fork on their way home tonight? |
| 18:47.00 | elg | i'm happy with 1280x1024 |
| 18:47.08 | elg | although I do prefer two monitors. :) |
| 18:47.26 | herlo | my last computer had 1920x1200 |
| 18:47.32 | herlo | and I hope my next one might as well |
| 18:52.00 | levi | I've got 1600x1200 here, which is pretty nice. |
| 18:52.09 | sjansen | 1920x1200!!! |
| 18:53.05 | herlo | sjansen: I love 1920x1200!!! |
| 18:53.24 | ^Migs^ | 1200x1920!!! |
| 18:53.27 | ^Migs^ | I mean, 1920x1200!!! |
| 18:53.30 | spr | 1024x768! |
| 18:54.09 | levi | I have 1024x768 on my laptop. |
| 18:54.34 | herlo | I had a Dell D800 |
| 18:54.34 | herlo | http://reviews.cnet.com/Dell_Latitude_D800/4505-3121_7-30880949.html |
| 18:55.07 | herlo | currently, I am borrowing my roommates 'puter and its only has 1024x768 at max |
| 18:55.57 | herlo | kinda sux |
| 18:56.28 | ^Migs^ | haha noob |
| 18:56.40 | findlay | ~eval 1920*1200 |
| 18:56.59 | ^Migs^ | ~eval 1024 * 768 |
| 18:57.05 | ^Migs^ | ~eval 1024+768 |
| 18:57.10 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 18:57.14 | findlay | ibot: give me an answer! |
| 18:57.15 | ibot | ACTION gives an answer! to findlay |
| 18:57.24 | findlay | ibot: thanks! |
| 18:57.24 | ibot | findlay: no worries |
| 18:57.31 | ^Migs^ | ibot: stfu |
| 18:57.33 | ibot | [stfu] Shut the F*** Up!, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg. Sucks To Feel U, or or http://beerandspeech.org/tmp/STFU_cup_Soldier.jpg |
| 18:57.42 | findlay | harleypig: I can give you a ride |
| 18:58.01 | ^Migs^ | ibot: are you feeling okay? |
| 18:58.53 | findlay | ~go |
| 18:59.07 | harleypig | cool, thanks. |
| 18:59.20 | harleypig | I noticed that right after I sent the email to PLUG. :> |
| 18:59.34 | harleypig | findlay: It's not too far out of your way is it? |
| 19:00.44 | findlay | harleypig: 9.8 mi (about 14 mins) |
| 19:01.15 | harleypig | You live in Springville? |
| 19:01.28 | findlay | Provo |
| 19:02.30 | harleypig | Well, if you don't mind I'm not gonna kick. Thanks. |
| 19:02.53 | findlay | (: |
| 19:07.03 | findlay | ~texas SpecialK |
| 19:10.13 | harleypig | hey ... the stfu-noob.jpg is 404 |
| 19:13.40 | SpecialK | ~shock findlay |
| 19:14.32 | findlay | ~convert 1024 slugs to yoctonewtons |
| 19:15.02 | findlay | ~convert 1024 slugs to yoctograms |
| 19:15.27 | herlo | test |
| 19:15.28 | findlay | a conversion every ecclectic geek should know |
| 19:15.45 | findlay | ibot apparently passes the test |
| 19:22.05 | *** join/#utah dataw0lf (n=dataw0lf@70.103.239.58) |
| 19:25.47 | dataw0lf | anyone use ClamAV here in coordination with an email server? |
| 19:27.14 | Jayce^ | yes, exim currently, used to do postfix |
| 19:27.23 | tensai | dataw0lf: yes |
| 19:27.41 | tensai | dataw0lf: should clarify. w/ exim, communigate and surgemail |
| 19:28.27 | dataw0lf | Documentation on socket errors seems to be sparse; any info you guys might be able to give me on 'AV system temporarily overloaded, try again later.' ? |
| 19:28.36 | dataw0lf | connection queue? |
| 19:33.26 | findlay | in perl the *only* difference between a 'quoted string' and a "quoted string" is identifier interpolation, right? |
| 19:33.27 | Jayce^ | haven't seen anything like that |
| 19:33.34 | Jayce^ | correct |
| 19:33.45 | findlay | ok |
| 19:37.47 | harleypig | findlay: essentially correct, there are some edge cases though |
| 19:38.24 | harleypig | the biggest one being the string still has to be scanned looking for \' |
| 19:39.55 | harleypig | so there is litle optimizaiton to be had in using '' whenever possile. |
| 19:40.04 | harleypig | wow ... my spelling sux0rs today. |
| 19:47.19 | flyboy^ | Cool. I now have a little link on my site that will open up a CGI::IRC window in a specific channel on freenode, and page me to let me know someone is wating to chat. |
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| 19:48.12 | findlay | ~chat flyboy^ |
| 19:49.07 | flyboy^ | Hopefully it'll be easy for non-techs that want to contact me to do so. |
| 19:52.32 | tensai | dataw0lf: never seen that either. nothing else in the logs? |
| 19:57.53 | dataw0lf | tensai: that's it. |
| 19:58.15 | tensai | dataw0lf: is the system load excessively high? |
| 19:58.24 | dataw0lf | tensai: Nope. |
| 19:58.30 | tensai | although I doubt it. one of our systems runs w/ load average of 40 |
| 19:59.04 | tensai | dataw0lf: can you scan a file from the command line? |
| 19:59.37 | dataw0lf | yup |
| 20:01.21 | sjansen | the stfu-noob url works fine for me |
| 20:01.59 | elg | oooh, I hate the fragmented state of installing free stuff in osx |
| 20:03.04 | findlay | ~bzfrag osy |
| 20:03.06 | ibot | ACTION makes osy feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 20:03.14 | sjansen | http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/WTF/nofrigginclue.jpg <-- still my favorite |
| 20:03.15 | findlay | s/y/x/ |
| 20:03.48 | findlay | s/~/\n~/ |
| 20:05.00 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon (for certain definitions of "soon") || LUG BBQ http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
| 20:05.51 | ^Migs^ | http://disgruntledsnowman.com/jalen/jalen1.gif |
| 20:08.33 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || LUG BBQ http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=bbq2006 |
| 20:08.55 | sjansen | That announcement about X-Men info "soon" is over a month old. |
| 20:11.03 | findlay | why not have ibot randomly change the topic with random headlines from slashdot? |
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| 20:17.15 | harleypig | propane powered laptops! w00t! |
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| 20:19.27 | sjansen | s/methane/bean burrito |
| 20:19.59 | BL4 | mmm, bean burrito. |
| 20:22.11 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 20:22.23 | dataw0lf | findlay: meh, Slashdot? |
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| 20:22.34 | dataw0lf | how bouts kerneltrap? |
| 20:22.59 | findlay | or with choice quotes from my blog |
| 20:23.11 | findlay | www.blog.blog |
| 20:23.15 | findlay | (R) |
| 20:37.01 | sjansen | Argh. 27 Brazilian restaurants, but they're all in New York. I don't want to drive to New York. :-( |
| 20:48.05 | goozbach | sjansen: there's an awesome cuban place just ~2mi from the training center |
| 20:50.14 | findlay | wherever I go withersoever about this strange world in the wide future I can always rely on goozbach for a sound dinner reccomendation |
| 20:50.44 | maquis | mmm... brazilian |
| 20:50.45 | maquis | ... |
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| 20:54.51 | bertbob | I suppose it's time to boot the kernel du jour |
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| 21:04.50 | nick125_ | mmm.. |
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| 21:14.45 | flyboy^ | What is the perl mongers topic tonight? |
| 21:17.26 | flyboy^ | tensai: Is nupm.org supposed to work? |
| 21:17.50 | tensai | I dunno, not my domain. Jayce^? |
| 21:25.23 | redman1 | Don't forget, NUPM meets the hour before, I'll be presenting on Cache frameworks in Perl. - Jayce^ |
| 21:38.09 | tensai | ~lart stranded cable |
| 21:40.44 | redman1 | stranded cable? |
| 21:41.31 | findlay | too many strands |
| 21:43.23 | tensai | redman1: as opposed to solid cable |
| 21:44.13 | jsmith | tensai: Where's it stranded? In Cheyenne? I hate being stranded in Cheyenne.... |
| 21:44.25 | tensai | ~lart jsmith |
| 21:46.05 | goozbach | ~hail the king of rash generalizations |
| 21:46.07 | ibot | ACTION bows down to the king of rash generalizations and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 22:22.11 | [Utah]tristanbob | I'm looking for a command-line tool to send an attachment |
| 22:22.39 | [Utah]tristanbob | is there one that doesn't require me to install an MTA |
| 22:23.02 | [Utah]tristanbob | mailx and pine both are looking for postfix in Ubuntu Dapper |
| 22:23.17 | [Utah]tristanbob | at least that is what APT is saying |
| 22:26.54 | findlay | what about mutt? |
| 22:28.25 | macnewbold | anyone looking for a job doing PHP/MySQL/HTML/CSS? We're hiring: |
| 22:28.27 | macnewbold | http://www.codegreene.com/jobs/job_20060510.pdf |
| 22:29.40 | flyboy^ | macnewbold: Have you sent it out to the mailing lists? |
| 22:29.47 | macnewbold | I'm working on it |
| 22:29.55 | macnewbold | thought I'd give the IRC people first grabs |
| 22:30.05 | macnewbold | it's a great place, I love working here |
| 22:30.14 | flyboy^ | There are quite a few LAMP jobs out there now a days. |
| 22:30.43 | Jayce^ | mm, United Online Perl jobs.... :) |
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| 22:31.25 | flyboy^ | I like Perl a lot, and I'm going to the mongers thing tonight --- but I don't think I could write it day after day, all day. |
| 22:32.21 | flyboy^ | How do those crazy Perl guys do it? |
| 22:32.35 | [Utah]tristanbob | findlay: I would use Mutt, but it wants me to install postfix |
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| 22:34.05 | flyboy^ | [Utah]tristanbob: Does this help? http://www.bigbold.com/snippets/posts/show/589 |
| 22:34.07 | brac | [Mail a file as an attachment from the UNIX prompt [linux] [cli] [mail] [shell] [email] [uuencode] [prompt]] |
| 22:35.18 | [Utah]tristanbob | flyboy^: Not really, that uses the "mailx" program, which also wants postfix |
| 22:35.20 | flyboy^ | [Utah]tristanbob: If you have Perl or PHP on your system you might be able to use those as well. |
| 22:35.43 | flyboy^ | http://www.developer.com/lang/php/article.php/10941_3468701_2 |
| 22:35.45 | brac | [Sending Email from your PHP Applications] |
| 22:39.29 | [Utah]tristanbob | flyboy^: well, a little over kill. I just want to email my database backups to myself |
| 22:39.43 | [Utah]tristanbob | flyboy^: I am just being picky, I dont' want to install an MTA |
| 22:39.54 | [Utah]tristanbob | mutt or mail will work fine.... after I install postfiix |
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| 23:08.56 | levi | Hmm, CNNMoney.com says the housing bubble is starting to deflate. |
| 23:14.07 | TimRiker | [Utah]tristanbob: will fetchmail send remotely from files? I don't recall. |
| 23:14.29 | TimRiker | there is perl and php code to send to remote MTAs too. |
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| 23:18.02 | TimRiker | [Utah]tristanbob: or you could just attach stunnel to localhost:25 and connect to an smtps server someplace else. thats just an entry in /etc/inet.conf or /etc/xinetd.d/ |
| 23:20.31 | nick125 | anyone here up for some bzflag? |
| 23:23.04 | findlay | bzflag? What's that? |
| 23:23.19 | findlay | ~bzflag |
| 23:23.26 | ibot | from memory, bzflag is a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 23:23.29 | brac | [BZFlag - home] |
| 23:28.59 | vontrapp | ~seen sjansen |
| 23:29.09 | ibot | sjansen <n=sjansen@ip-207-145-80-2.nyc.megapath.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 52m 8s ago, saying: 'Argh. 27 Brazilian restaurants, but they're all in New York. I don't want to drive to New York. :-('. |
| 23:29.10 | vontrapp | -lart elg |
| 23:29.59 | vontrapp | the hp care pack covers accidental breakage i though |
| 23:30.00 | vontrapp | t |
| 23:30.05 | tensai | [Utah]tristanbob: if you use timriker's suggestion, I'd use port 465 instead as that's the proper smtps port |
| 23:30.24 | tensai | [Utah]tristanbob: the perl Net::SMTP library is pretty easy. I've used it before to send email. |
| 23:30.43 | vontrapp | they call me today, ask if i want them to fix the cosmetic damages as well (broken front silver parts and the speaker mesh a little bent) i say sure, then he says "ok that will be $300" |
| 23:30.52 | vontrapp | HOLD ON! i say, it's under warranty |
| 23:31.18 | vontrapp | he says cosmetic damage isn't and proceeds to tell me that if i don't get it fixed it could cause damage (dust getting in and whatnot) |
| 23:31.33 | vontrapp | i say "so.... it's not just cosmetic.." |
| 23:31.37 | vontrapp | i think that went over his head |
| 23:32.07 | vontrapp | i tell him not to fix it and just give me my laptop back already |
| 23:32.13 | vontrapp | 3 business days he says |
| 23:32.22 | tensai | levi: I've heard that too. all those with ARMs or interest only loans might feel the pinch pretty soon. |
| 23:34.07 | levi | vontrapp: Heh. |
| 23:34.44 | tensai | my brother just bought a house and they tried to talk him into an interest-only loan |
| 23:35.14 | vontrapp | what's an interest only loan? you only pay interest? |
| 23:35.17 | levi | tensai: It annoys me that people treating homes as investments rather than, you know, /homes/ have driven them out of affordability. |
| 23:35.21 | levi | vontrapp: Yeah. |
| 23:35.22 | vontrapp | so basically you never pay it off? |
| 23:35.33 | tensai | vontrapp: if you don't make additional payments, then yeah |
| 23:35.38 | levi | vontrapp: Well, it's interest-only for a fixed amount of time, I think. |
| 23:35.57 | vontrapp | so, um, if you pay interest only until you die, how do they get their money back? |
| 23:36.02 | levi | vontrapp: The point is that you're going to flip it pretty soon, so you want your monthly costs to be as low as possible. |
| 23:36.10 | tensai | vontrapp: they charge you a higher rate, but your payment is lower every month |
| 23:36.34 | levi | vontrapp: No one gets an interest-only loan with the intention of staying until they die. |
| 23:36.37 | tensai | vontrapp: they don't get their money back. they get your house when you die, plus they've got all the interest you've paid |
| 23:37.24 | vontrapp | yeah ok |
| 23:37.26 | levi | vontrapp: The idea is, you can afford to 'buy' more property when you have interest-only loans, and you make your money through appreciation. |
| 23:37.31 | vontrapp | but there are weirdos |
| 23:37.38 | tensai | the guy on cnn the other day was saying the only people who it actually makes sense to get an interest-only is people who get paid in one big sum once or twice a year |
| 23:38.00 | levi | tensai: Hmm, why does that make it make sense? |
| 23:38.01 | vontrapp | yeah, that does make more sense |
| 23:38.29 | tensai | levi: lower monthly payments, then pay off a big chunk of principle when you get paid. I think. he didn't explain the whole concept. |
| 23:38.58 | levi | tensai: Huh. Well, sounds like a way you could play the system, but not exactly the market they're aiming for. |
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| 23:39.15 | levi | They're aimed squarely at real-estate investors. |
| 23:40.20 | findlay | ~afford home |
| 23:40.23 | tensai | homes are wonderfully affordable in eastern idaho. come join me, won't you? |
| 23:40.32 | levi | Well, they will be, eventually. You'll get more money, or prices will go down. |
| 23:40.33 | vontrapp | ok |
| 23:40.49 | levi | They'll probably be cheap when interest rates are way up again. |
| 23:41.02 | vontrapp | what, appartments will be? |
| 23:41.06 | tensai | but that'll be offset by the fact that payments will be higher |
| 23:41.11 | levi | tensai: Right. |
| 23:41.20 | levi | So, save your money now. :) |
| 23:41.29 | tensai | so they're not really cheaper, just less value for your money |
| 23:42.02 | levi | tensai: They are cheaper; if you have money, you can buy them for less of it. |
| 23:42.10 | vontrapp | and perhaps refinance when rates are low |
| 23:42.20 | tensai | if you have enough that you don't have to finance, then yes |
| 23:42.49 | tensai | rates are still at record lows. 10 years ago you were looking at 9+% |
| 23:43.06 | levi | Yeah. That's crazy. |
| 23:43.07 | tensai | or would that be 9%+. 9% and up. |
| 23:43.26 | tensai | historically, that's normal |
| 23:44.04 | tensai | current trends are crazy. I locked in at 4.5%. Or was it 5%? I can't remember |
| 23:44.11 | levi | Nice. |
| 23:44.21 | tensai | my car was 3% iirc |
| 23:44.27 | vontrapp | yeah, we've become a nation of credit, and lenders are trying their darndest to get more debtors |
| 23:44.34 | vontrapp | it will be the end of our economy |
| 23:45.02 | tensai | zombies. brain eating zombies, I kid you not. |
| 23:45.03 | levi | I think my condo mortgage is somewhere in the 6% range, 30 year fixed. |
| 23:46.09 | tensai | always avoid the CBP |
| 23:47.23 | levi | cbp? |
| 23:47.57 | tensai | crippling balloon payment |
| 23:48.01 | tensai | http://www.snpp.com/episodes/AABF10 |
| 23:52.32 | tensai | you know, in the credit card industry people who pay their bill on time every month are called "deadbeats". |
| 23:54.09 | bertbob | yes, we don't have any fees to pay, just purchases. They hate that |
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| 23:57.30 | tensai | before spend you get another dollar on credit, you should view this Frontline episode. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/credit/view/ |
| 23:57.31 | brac | [frontline: secret history of the credit card: watch online | PBS] |
| 23:58.33 | tensai | CBP is just a joke from the Simpsons, but there is a real horror that you must always avoid: universal default |
| 23:58.57 | tensai | if you miss a single payment on *anything*, they can put you in default and jack your rates up to 20% or more |
| 23:59.28 | tensai | it's a recipe for disaster |
| 23:59.33 | tensai | </high horse> |
| 23:59.42 | levi | Not if you don't miss a payment. |
| 23:59.52 | tensai | can you guarantee that? |
