irclog2html for #utah on 20060428

`00:00.27`	`sjansen`	`I'm guessing you're reaching a max file descriptors setting.`
`00:00.41`	`elg`	`-lart sjan`
`00:00.42`	`jsmith`	`Yeah, sounds like a ulimit problem to me`
`00:00.51`	`elg`	`drat, missed`
`00:01.01`	`flyboy^`	`yeah - I need to dig a bit deeper on that side. :)`
`00:01.10`	`flyboy^`	`Thanks for leaving me all this work jsmith!!!`
`00:01.22`	`flyboy^`	`;)`
`00:08.36`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`who here has seen the cash cab? (discovery channel show)`
`00:15.26`	`*** join/#utah wps (n=wps@65.73.113.162)`
`00:19.32`	`flyboy^`	`MySQL option open-files-limit=8192 -- for anyone who cares.`
`00:22.02`	`jsmith`	`flyboy^: Who, me?!?`
`00:22.17`	`jsmith`	`flyboy^: Whatcha talkin' about... unless you're saying what I think you're saying...`
`00:23.40`	`flyboy^`	`jsmith: That depends. Are you thinking what I am thinking you are thinking I am saying?`
`00:23.48`	`jsmith`	`flyboy^: In that case, all I can say is "best of luck"...`
`00:28.10`	`Ash`	`http://eptc.secretlaboratory.com/MADNESS.MOV <- haha`
`00:39.26`	`*** join/#utah linuxalien (n=linuxali@fjton.dsl.xmission.com)`
`01:00.05`	`findlay`	`I thought yum scrapped upgrades long ago`
`01:00.22`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`I am going to strangle the wimax forum.`
`01:00.55`	`mrpull-x`	`findlay: it's not supported`
`01:01.04`	`mrpull-x`	`it is really just an experiment`
`01:01.14`	`mrpull-x`	`this laptop doesn't have an internal optical drive`
`01:01.31`	`*** part/#utah linuxalien (n=linuxali@fjton.dsl.xmission.com)`
`01:01.38`	`mrpull-x`	`and the drive I use is far away`
`01:04.38`	`findlay`	`I usually just copy the anaconda files to /boot and add an entry to grub for the installer kernel and install over HTTP`
`01:07.40`	`mrpull-x`	`finfinfiff`
`01:08.52`	`findlay`	`you can't reformat the partition that contains /boot though, or Bad Things Will Happne`
`01:08.59`	`findlay`	`n`
`01:09.29`	`findlay`	`s/n/s\/ne\/en\//`
`01:20.30`	`mrpull-x`	`findlay: is that process documented anyware?`
`01:28.38`	`mrpull-x`	`or better... anywhere?`
`01:40.59`	`findlay`	`mrpull-x: no, I just did it`
`01:41.01`	`findlay`	`(:`
`01:41.05`	`findlay`	`pretty easy`
`01:41.25`	`mrpull-x`	`i'd never heard of that method... very cool`
`01:42.35`	`findlay`	`cd /boot/fc5_installer && wget ftp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/i386/os/isolinux/*`
`01:43.02`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`mrpull-, what model?`
`01:43.12`	`findlay`	`then add the /boot/fc5_installer/vmlinuz and initrd to grub`
`01:47.13`	`*** join/#utah herlo (n=csavage@rrcs-24-106-115-226.central.biz.rr.com)`
`01:47.52`	`mrpull-x`	`xbmodder_lappy: HP/Compaq nc4010`
`01:48.25`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`Does anyone know of any good mapping applications for linux, especially ones that have measuring tools, etc...`
`01:48.50`	`mrpull-x`	`a little lightweight 12 incher`
`01:49.56`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`do you like it?`
`01:50.06`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`how heavy?`
`01:50.21`	`mrpull-x`	`it is good for travel`
`01:50.31`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`how about power/battery life`
`01:51.08`	`mrpull-x`	`the screen is only 1024x768 so it isn't great for working on all day`
`01:51.22`	`mrpull-x`	`(i have 2 20" monitors for normal work)`
`01:57.58`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`Do you think that there are 100+ hardcore geeks in pleasanton, ca that might be willing to join a mini-net?`
`02:03.10`	`*** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net)`
`02:12.29`	`obfuscated`	`ping anyone that works at UOL`
`02:13.56`	`nick125`	`xbmodder_lappy: no`
`02:17.09`	`*** join/#utah TacoJockey (n=linuxali@fjton.dsl.xmission.com)`
`02:29.27`	`tensai`	`kixtart is cool, for a windows app`
`02:29.57`	`lars-ut`	`it's really helpin' me out with backups`
`02:30.38`	`tensai`	`I used it for logon scripts. it's nice how it bridges the differences between 9x and nt.`
`02:31.00`	`lars-ut`	`I run an rsync script every half hour... combining that with this logon script should do nicely`
`02:32.34`	`lars-ut`	`tensai: I'm lucky - I kicked 9x boxes off this Samba config in 2002 - just 2k/XP desktops & laptops`
`02:32.45`	`tensai`	`ooh, nice`
`02:33.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`2k/XP is the way to go :)`
`02:33.25`	`tensai`	`lars-ut: now you just have to ditch those last two and you'll be set :)`
`02:33.43`	`lars-ut`	`I've thought about it for some of the call screeners here`
`02:33.50`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: if only, if only`
`02:34.03`	`lars-ut`	`they only need a browser & email, and sound`
`02:34.06`	`herlo`	`life were that easy`
`02:34.40`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: I've got your dynebolic CD burned`
`02:35.04`	`herlo`	`cool, tx`
`02:35.13`	`herlo`	`oops`
`02:35.22`	`lars-ut`	`di.fm helped with the zone`
`02:36.13`	`lars-ut`	`http://www.di.fm/mp3/chillout.pls`
`02:36.17`	`herlo`	`big lunch, forgot my snack and then a big dinner...`
`02:36.54`	`lars-ut`	`:D`
`02:37.30`	`dilvie_`	`the zone?`
`02:37.32`	`herlo`	`my net connection at this hotel sucks`
`02:38.05`	`herlo`	`when I am using bittorrent, I cannot surf the web`
`02:38.18`	`herlo`	`unrelated as it may seem`
`02:38.49`	`herlo`	`~lart the dayton doubletree`
`02:39.09`	`dilvie_`	`herlo: anything that ties up your bandwidth is "related"`
`02:39.21`	`herlo`	`yeah, I know`
`02:39.39`	`herlo`	`but its more like it works for a short time, and then it just doesn't anymore`
`02:40.02`	`herlo`	`no major bandwidth changes`
`02:40.03`	`dilvie_`	`throttle your bit-torrent bandwidth`
`02:40.16`	`herlo`	`dilvie_: tried thatdoesn't make a difference`
`02:40.39`	`dilvie_`	`funky`
`02:40.58`	`lars-ut`	`dilvie_: "The zone is when you are most productive. It�s when you don�t have to mindshift between various tasks."`
`02:41.16`	`herlo`	`yeah, not sure what's going on, like I said, it seems unrelated`
`02:41.40`	`herlo`	`why disable web traffic at any point?`
`02:42.22`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: I found you a new show to get you addicted`
`02:42.30`	`herlo`	`Criminal Minds`
`02:42.36`	`dilvie_`	`lars: cool.`
`02:42.39`	`herlo`	`almost one full season is complete`
`02:42.47`	`lars-ut`	`not enough seasons`
`02:42.51`	`herlo`	`20some odd episdodes`
`02:42.54`	`dilvie_`	`lars: I thought that might be what you meant`
`02:43.02`	`dilvie_`	`lars: but I wasn't sure.`
`02:43.04`	`dilvie_`	`=)`
`02:43.28`	`lars-ut`	`dilvie_: yup - was trying to find a good definition from words of others`
`02:43.37`	`herlo`	`lars-ut yeah, I know, one of anything is just not enough for you ever, is it?`
`02:43.58`	`herlo`	`:-D`
`02:44.01`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: Keep it together man! </Ren>`
`02:44.08`	`herlo`	`LOL`
`02:44.14`	`herlo`	`~smack lars`
`02:44.16`	`ibot`	`ACTION smacks lars upside the head.`
`02:44.24`	`lars-ut`	`~pimpslap herlo`
`02:44.29`	`ibot`	`lars-ut pimpslaps herlo. ouch!`
`02:44.29`	`herlo`	`/smack herlo`
`02:44.35`	`lars-ut`	`~pistolwhip herlo`
`02:44.37`	`herlo`	`~slap herlo`
`02:44.40`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps herlo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`02:44.45`	`lars-ut`	`~trout herlo`
`02:44.49`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps herlo around a bit with a large trout!`
`02:44.52`	`lars-ut`	`~bodyslam herlo`
`02:44.53`	`ibot`	`ACTION jumps off the high rope and lands on herlo with a deafening thud`
`02:44.54`	`herlo`	`~lart lars`
`02:44.57`	`herlo`	`~bake lars`
`02:44.58`	`ibot`	`I think you mean ~cook herlo, spr.`
`02:45.04`	`herlo`	`~cook lars-ut`
`02:45.05`	`ibot`	`ACTION throws lars-ut in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks lars-ut on 350 for an hour`
`02:45.05`	`lars-ut`	`~clue herlo`
`02:45.08`	`ibot`	`ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for herlo "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me."`
`02:45.12`	`lars-ut`	`~cluebat herlo`
`02:45.14`	`ibot`	`ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps herlo.`
`02:45.19`	`herlo`	`~cluebat lars-ut`
`02:45.20`	`ibot`	`ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps lars-ut.`
`02:45.27`	`lars-ut`	`~sacrifice herlo`
`02:45.29`	`ibot`	`ACTION sacrifices herlo on an altar of Windows EULAs soaked in the blood of Perl.`
`02:45.35`	`herlo`	`~donate lars-ut`
`02:45.43`	`herlo`	`damn!!!`
`02:45.46`	`lars-ut`	`~kill herlo`
`02:45.47`	`ibot`	`ACTION shoots a super-inverse fluxelectron gun at herlo`
`02:45.55`	`herlo`	`~frack lars-ut`
`02:45.59`	`lars-ut`	`~shoot herlo`
`02:46.00`	`ibot`	`ACTION shoots herlo in the head with a spitwad!`
`02:46.03`	`herlo`	`~murder lars-ut`
`02:46.04`	`ibot`	`ACTION shoots lars-ut in his sleep`
`02:46.16`	`lars-ut`	`~shoot herlo`
`02:46.19`	`ibot`	`ACTION shoots herlo in the eye with a quantum singularity weapon!`
`02:46.20`	`herlo`	`~brac lars-ut`
`02:46.28`	`*** join/#utah jnbek (n=jnbek@c-67-166-97-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)`
`02:46.30`	`lars-ut`	`-lart brac`
`02:46.32`	`herlo`	`~toast lars-ut`
`02:46.33`	`ibot`	`ACTION stakes lars-ut out in the desert sun to dry`
`02:46.45`	`lars-ut`	`-lart brac`
`02:46.52`	`herlo`	`man I can never remember all the commands`
`02:46.56`	`lars-ut`	`-lart brac`
`02:47.02`	`lars-ut`	`ouch.`
`02:47.11`	`lars-ut`	`-lart brac`
`02:47.30`	`lars-ut`	`indeed.`
`02:47.33`	`herlo`	`~rlart lars-ut`
`02:47.49`	`lars-ut`	`~rlart`
`02:47.55`	`lars-ut`	`hah~`
`02:48.05`	`lars-ut`	`it's random... or is it?`
`02:48.21`	`lars-ut`	`~jedi herlo`
`02:48.23`	`ibot`	`ACTION jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows herlo to pieces`
`02:48.24`	`herlo`	`~scramble lars-ut`
`02:48.44`	`lars-ut`	`~idchoppers`
`02:48.46`	`ibot`	`Doesn't suck - GM`
`02:48.51`	`lars-ut`	`~chainsaw herlo`
`02:48.56`	`herlo`	`~forget lars-ut`
`02:48.58`	`lars-ut`	`dang.`
`02:49.11`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: guess you'll have to create that one`
`02:49.22`	`herlo`	`~whap lars-ut`
`02:49.33`	`herlo`	`~pimpslap lars-ut`
`02:49.35`	`ibot`	`herlo pimpslaps lars-ut. ouch!`
`02:49.40`	`lars-ut`	`~open can of whoopassets on herlo`
`02:49.49`	`herlo`	`ooh /me is scared`
`02:50.04`	`lars-ut`	`I'll get dataw0lf to do it`
`02:50.17`	`herlo`	`ibot, lars-ut is also a punk`
`02:50.19`	`ibot`	`herlo: okay`
`02:50.24`	`herlo`	`~lars-ut`
`02:50.25`	`ibot`	`i heard lars-ut is the SoftewareFor.org project manager, and UVLUG co-founder and trustee. http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memberpages:lars_rasmussen, or a punk`
`02:50.38`	`herlo`	`SoftewareFor? what's that?`
`02:50.54`	`herlo`	`Soft e wareFor....`
`02:50.58`	`lars-ut`	`ibot, no, lars-ut is the SoftwareFor.org project manager, and UVLUG co-founder and trustee. http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memberpages:lars_rasmussen`
`02:51.00`	`ibot`	`okay, lars-ut`
`02:51.26`	`herlo`	`ibot, no, lars-ut is a fracking whimp with a large edipous complex`
`02:51.27`	`ibot`	`okay, herlo`
`02:51.35`	`lars-ut`	`ibot, herlo is also unable to spell`
`02:51.37`	`ibot`	`lars-ut: okay`
`02:51.40`	`lars-ut`	`~herlo`
`02:51.42`	`ibot`	`methinks herlo is unable to spell`
`02:51.44`	`herlo`	`that's true`
`02:51.54`	`herlo`	`~lars-ut`
`02:51.55`	`ibot`	`well, lars-ut is a fracking whimp with a large edipous complex`
`02:51.58`	`lars-ut`	`ibot, herlo is also unable to spell oedipus`
`02:51.59`	`ibot`	`okay, lars-ut`
`02:52.13`	`herlo`	`okay ibot, lars-ut needs is oedipus revamped`
`02:52.20`	`lars-ut`	`~spell oedipus`
`02:52.32`	`herlo`	`~define oedipus`
`02:52.35`	`lars-ut`	`~dict Oedipus`
`02:52.40`	`herlo`	`ibot, lars-ut needs is oedipus revamped`
`02:52.41`	`ibot`	`okay, herlo`
`02:52.47`	`dilvie_`	`hmm`
`02:52.51`	`herlo`	`okay ibot, lars-ut needs his oedipus revamped`
`02:52.55`	`dilvie_`	`softwarefor is cool`
`02:52.57`	`herlo`	`~lars-ut`
`02:52.58`	`ibot`	`i guess lars-ut is a fracking whimp with a large edipous complex`
`02:53.15`	`herlo`	`okay ibot, lars-ut is needs is oedipus revamped~`
`02:53.24`	`herlo`	`frack`
`02:53.26`	`lars-ut`	`:)`
`02:53.36`	`herlo`	`ibot, lars-ut is mean`
`02:53.37`	`ibot`	`...but lars-ut is already something else...`
`02:53.46`	`lars-ut`	`we need a frack counter bot in here`
`02:53.53`	`dilvie_`	`ibot, herlo is nutty`
`02:53.56`	`ibot`	`...but herlo is already something else...`
`02:53.56`	`herlo`	`ibot, lars-ut is also mean`
`02:53.57`	`ibot`	`herlo: okay`
`02:54.02`	`herlo`	`~lars-ut`
`02:54.04`	`ibot`	`hmm... lars-ut is the SoftwareFor.org project manager, and UVLUG co-founder and trustee. http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memberpages:lars_rasmussen, or mean`
`02:54.13`	`herlo`	`I think mean`
`02:54.19`	`herlo`	`:-P`
`02:54.21`	`dilvie_`	`ibot, herlo is also nutty`
`02:54.23`	`ibot`	`okay, dilvie_`
`02:54.30`	`herlo`	`thanx dilvie_`
`02:54.31`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ibot, herlo is also nutty`
`02:54.33`	`ibot`	`okay, ScytheBlade1`
`02:54.33`	`dilvie_`	`~herlo`
`02:54.34`	`ibot`	`hmm... herlo is unable to spell, or unable to spell oedipus, or nutty, or nutty`
`02:54.44`	`herlo`	`~herlo`
`02:54.46`	`ibot`	`well, herlo is unable to spell, or unable to spell oedipus, or nutty, or nutty`
`02:54.46`	`lars-ut`	`lol`
`02:54.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ibot, herlo is also nutty`
`02:54.49`	`ibot`	`ScytheBlade1: okay`
`02:54.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`There we are`
`02:54.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~herlo`
`02:54.56`	`ibot`	`herlo is, like, unable to spell, or unable to spell oedipus, or nutty, or nutty, or nutty`
`02:54.57`	`herlo`	`sweet, I am very nutty`
`02:54.57`	`*** part/#utah linuxalien (n=linuxali@fjton.dsl.xmission.com)`
`02:55.07`	`dilvie_`	`w00t`
`02:55.09`	`herlo`	`you could make peanut butter soon`
`02:55.13`	`dilvie_`	`my job here is done.`
`02:55.19`	`herlo`	`yes, it is`
`02:55.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ibot, herlo is also nutty`
`02:55.24`	`ibot`	`ScytheBlade1: okay`
`02:55.26`	`herlo`	`ibot, herlo rocks the world`
`02:55.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`.... just for good measure ;)`
`02:55.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~herlo`
`02:55.38`	`ibot`	`herlo is, like, unable to spell, or unable to spell oedipus, or nutty, or nutty, or nutty, or nutty`
`02:55.43`	`herlo`	`ibot, no herlo rocks the world`
`02:55.52`	`herlo`	`~herlo`
`02:55.54`	`ibot`	`it has been said that herlo is unable to spell, or unable to spell oedipus, or nutty, or nutty, or nutty, or nutty`
`02:55.59`	`herlo`	`frack`
`02:56.05`	`herlo`	`no ibot, herlo rocks`
`02:56.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Can you imagine if ibot was some poor child? Can you imagine the confusion?`
`02:56.20`	`herlo`	`it'd be even more fun`
`02:56.25`	`lars-ut`	`ibot, herlo is also factoid challenged`
`02:56.28`	`ibot`	`lars-ut: okay`
`02:56.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"I'M SICK AND TIRED OF CHANGING MY MIND EVERY FIVE SECONDS, I DON'T CARE WHO HERLO IS, ARRGGGHHHH"`
`02:56.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`;)`
`02:57.02`	`lars-ut`	`~ibot you're useless`
`02:57.03`	`ibot`	`ACTION starts crying and hides from lars-ut in the darkest corner of the room. :(`
`02:57.16`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: so why are you on so late?`
`02:57.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I think ibot needs to be more of an agressive bot`
`02:57.26`	`herlo`	`usually you're gone by 5`
`02:57.32`	`lars-ut`	`because I got on IRC after I accomplished something`
`02:57.39`	`herlo`	`good for you`
`02:57.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`* ibot starts crying, then thinks straight and pushes lars-ut off of a cliff`
`02:57.44`	`herlo`	`burning cds I guess`
`02:57.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Something like that ;)`
`02:57.50`	`lars-ut`	`lol`
`02:58.12`	`herlo`	`lars-ut falls to his death but not before bringing ibot with him, we'll miss you ibot`
`02:59.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, ibot should also throw out random insults after X minutes of inactivity`
`02:59.45`	`herlo`	`like fracking lars-ut`
`02:59.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Not quite what I had in mind`
`02:59.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But whatever floats your boat`
`03:00.04`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: what did youa ccomplish?`
`03:00.41`	`lars-ut`	`some KiXtart scripting & 4 hours of consulting`
`03:01.06`	`herlo`	`mmm, consulting <homer>`
`03:01.31`	`herlo`	`mmm, mooonnnneeeyyy`
`03:01.54`	`lars-ut`	`yup`
`03:02.38`	`lars-ut`	`ibot, herlo is also overly fond of the word "frack"`
`03:02.39`	`ibot`	`lars-ut: okay`
`03:03.02`	`herlo`	`ibot, lars-ut also thinks herlo rocks`
`03:03.12`	`lars-ut`	`crap`
`03:03.22`	`findlay`	`need a state of being verb`
`03:03.37`	`herlo`	`yeah, forgot it`
`03:03.48`	`herlo`	`ibot, lars-ut is also thinks herlo rocks`
`03:03.52`	`ibot`	`herlo: okay`
`03:03.53`	`lars-ut`	`findlay!`
`03:03.53`	`findlay`	`ibot: no fair, I want consulting grituity`
`03:04.01`	`findlay`	`lol`
`03:04.04`	`herlo`	`~lart findlay for his consulting`
`03:04.16`	`findlay`	`now, where's my money?`
`03:04.20`	`findlay`	`~make money`
`03:04.21`	`ibot`	make: *** No rule to make target `money'. Stop.
`03:04.31`	`herlo`	`segfault`
`03:04.32`	`lars-ut`	`findlay: Shouldn't you be working on Fermat's last theorem?`
`03:04.41`	`herlo`	`~lars-ut`
`03:04.43`	`ibot`	`it has been said that lars-ut is the SoftwareFor.org project manager, and UVLUG co-founder and trustee. http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memberpages:lars_rasmussen, or thinks herlo rocks`
`03:04.43`	`findlay`	`nah, that's already solved`
`03:05.13`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: I finally got that pls to work`
`03:05.22`	`herlo`	`from the link you gave about 10mins ago`
`03:05.32`	`herlo`	`and about 100 larts ago`
`03:05.37`	`findlay`	`someday I'll write a mathematical language called Fermat, though`
`03:05.45`	`findlay`	`probably for my doctor of math`
`03:05.51`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: enjoying the german?`
`03:05.57`	`herlo`	`yeah, its good`
`03:06.00`	`lars-ut`	`findlay: nice.`
`03:06.05`	`herlo`	`nice backbeats`
`03:06.10`	`lars-ut`	`agreed.`
`03:06.15`	`herlo`	`I could work to this easily`
`03:06.22`	`lars-ut`	`yup`
`03:06.34`	`herlo`	`and soon his xmms favs`
`03:06.59`	`herlo`	`since he is moving away from the dark side to become a real jedi master`
`03:07.09`	`herlo`	`the training will start soon`
`03:07.22`	`lars-ut`	`frackin' padawan learner.`
`03:07.27`	`herlo`	`damn!!!`
`03:07.30`	`lars-ut`	`lol`
`03:07.39`	`herlo`	`I tried to spell it right`
`03:07.48`	`lars-ut`	`~dict padawan`
`03:08.06`	`herlo`	`usually I am so good at spelling`
`03:08.48`	`herlo`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=NVd&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=define:+padawan&spell=1`
`03:08.49`	`brac`	`[define: padawan - Google Search]`
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`03:09.17`	`herlo`	`holy hell, I couldn't copy and paste for the life of me just then`
`03:10.18`	`findlay`	`ibot: copy and paste is for the life of herlo`
`03:10.21`	`ibot`	`findlay: okay`
`03:10.42`	`herlo`	`~herlo`
`03:10.43`	`ibot`	`you are, like, unable to spell, or unable to spell oedipus, or nutty, or nutty, or nutty, or nutty, or factoid challenged, or overly fond of the word "frack"`
`03:11.22`	`herlo`	`so findlay, what the crap did that do, just let ibot have some fun?`
`03:11.38`	`herlo`	`~copy and paste`
`03:11.39`	`ibot`	`somebody said copy and paste was for the life of herlo`
`03:11.46`	`herlo`	`ahh, I get it`
`03:12.13`	`herlo`	`ibot: frack is the favorite word of lars-ut`
`03:12.14`	`ibot`	`...but frack is already something else...`
`03:12.21`	`herlo`	`~frack`
`03:12.23`	`ibot`	`I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man.`
`03:12.42`	`herlo`	`bot: frack is also the favorite word of lars-ut`
`03:12.51`	`herlo`	`ibot: frack is the favorite word of lars-ut`
`03:12.53`	`ibot`	`...but frack is already something else...`
`03:13.13`	`findlay`	`ibot: forget frac`
`03:13.14`	`ibot`	`findlay: i forgot frac`
`03:13.23`	`herlo`	`ibot: forget frack`
`03:13.29`	`herlo`	`ibot: frack is the favorite word of lars-ut`
`03:13.31`	`ibot`	`...but frack is already something else...`
`03:13.46`	`findlay`	`ibot: just forget it`
`03:13.53`	`herlo`	`ibot: no frack is the favorite word of lars-ut`
`03:13.54`	`ibot`	`okay, herlo`
`03:13.58`	`herlo`	`~frack`
`03:13.59`	`ibot`	`hmm... frack is the favorite word of lars-ut`
`03:14.34`	`herlo`	`ibot: no frack is a favorite word of #utah`
`03:14.36`	`ibot`	`okay, herlo`
`03:17.24`	`findlay`	`man, this girl is beautiful`
`03:17.28`	`findlay`	`I should marry her`
`03:22.07`	`*** join/#utah levi_ (n=levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com)`
`03:23.46`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`lol`
`03:23.48`	`flyboy^`	`But will she marry you?`
`03:33.10`	`*** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net)`
`03:33.20`	`*** join/#utah bonez39 (n=aint@c-67-166-77-14.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)`
`03:35.00`	`bonez39`	`quick grub question....how do I force one of several options at boot up.....in grub's list to load by default? currently the wrong kernel loads.....`
`03:37.24`	`bonez39`	`anyone?`
`03:39.41`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`no`
`03:39.52`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`hmm.`
`03:41.08`	`bonez39`	`xbmodder_, well, just trying to resolve my boot issue at work`
`03:43.31`	`tensai`	`so I've got a salmon in the freezer, what should I do with it?`
`03:44.06`	`bonez39`	`broil it, of course....with lemon and butter and salt, pepper.......`
`03:44.20`	`bonez39`	`or steamed is nice too.....but just barely until cooked...and no more`
`03:44.34`	`bonez39`	`add some of Hans' sourdough bread.....hmmmmmmm`
`03:48.56`	`maquis`	`smoked`
`03:49.01`	`maquis`	`mmmmm`
`03:49.13`	`maquis`	`<3 smoked salmon`
`03:52.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Random story while I wait a few minutes to see if he's awake`
`03:52.41`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I had to go in to my counselor's office today`
`03:52.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`and he's got all of these printouts, all of the generic motivational posters and whatnot`
`03:53.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"Achievement", "Ambition", etc.`
`03:53.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I actually read one of them, then die of laughter`
`03:53.43`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://despair.com/viewall.html`
`03:53.48`	`brac`	`[View All Demotivators®]`
`03:53.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He has them ALL printed out, full size letter paper, and stuck to his wall`
`03:54.04`	`maquis`	`he had the despair.com posters?`
`03:54.06`	`maquis`	`that rocks!`
`03:54.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`every last one of th em`
`03:54.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*them`
`03:54.16`	`maquis`	`nice`
`03:54.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`High school guidance counselor`
`03:54.19`	`maquis`	`i like the sacrifice one`
`03:54.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`03:54.31`	`maquis`	`(the new sacrifice one --- with the aztec temple)`
`03:54.36`	`ScytheBlade1`	`We've been here before, maquis ;)`
`03:54.42`	`maquis`	`oh...right :)`
`03:54.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I think it came out something like - "we like and want them all, right now" ;)`
`03:55.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Hence why I mentioned it - because I knew you'd enjoy it, haha)`
`03:55.22`	`maquis`	`lol`
`03:55.24`	`maquis`	`:)`
`03:55.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`high school guidance counselor`
`03:55.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`entire collection printed and posted`
`03:55.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://despair.com/potential.html <-- even that one`
`03:55.58`	`brac`	`[Potential]`
`03:56.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`;)`
`03:56.16`	`maquis`	`nice`
`03:56.35`	`maquis`	`just hope nobody takes them too seriously (or maybe some people should)`
`03:56.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Yeah, agreed`
`03:57.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's the other reason why I mention it - he had the guts to do it`
`03:57.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`He went up about, oh, I dunno`
`03:57.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thirty or fourty notches in my book because of that ;)`
`03:59.04`	`bonez39`	`maquis, ScytheBlade1 curious what bootloader you both use?`
`03:59.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bonez39, um, I'm not your typical person to ask, but`
`03:59.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lilo, grub, pxelinux, syslinux, and extlinux`
`03:59.32`	`ScytheBlade1`	`are all in use at the moment`
`03:59.48`	`bonez39`	`oh, on various machines.....so sounds like you like a variety...`
`04:00.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`everything from SATA RAID arrays (software and hardware) to embedded devices on CF cards`
`04:00.25`	`bonez39`	`I run grub....but can't get the session I want to load by default....`
`04:00.33`	`maquis`	`bonez39: erm... grub on my server, and whatever freebsd is using on my laptop`
`04:00.43`	`maquis`	`bonez39: what do you want to have load by default?`
`04:00.47`	`maquis`	`and why can't you get it to?`
`04:01.37`	`bonez39`	`well, an older kernel, without Win4Lin support loads by default..and yet the Win4Lin (that's how it's labeled) session I WANT to run is two lines down in the boot menu....and I have to manually scroll down and select it for booting`
`04:01.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://1086570ca4eb1f65.paste.se/`
`04:01.55`	`bonez39`	`if I have to reboot the machine remotely...it will default to the wrong session...when it restarts`
`04:02.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`erm`
`04:02.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Don't use that as an example, haha, moment`
`04:02.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://e96bde480f7a24d2.paste.se/`
`04:02.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's better`
`04:02.48`	`mheath_`	`Let me run an idea past all of you`
`04:02.57`	`mheath_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:03.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`the 'default' param can either be a 0-based number starting from the first entry`
`04:03.09`	`mheath_`	`A daemon that sits on the server, logs all conversations and data......`
`04:03.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`or the value of a label`
`04:03.18`	`mheath_`	`Then, an implementing client (say, a patched XChat) can connect to the daemon, retrieve the special logs, and display them as if that client had been in the channel the whole time.`
`04:03.22`	`ScytheBlade1`	`s/label/title/`
`04:03.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`mheath_, look up psybnc, and other irc proxies`
`04:03.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's already out there ;)`
`04:04.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bonez39, that help at all?`
`04:04.44`	`mheath_`	`ScytheBlade1, a proxy? Does your end client timestamp things correctly, then?`
`04:05.14`	`bonez39`	`well, I can't ssh to work right now, but I'll copy that down and see what my meun.lst looks like when I am there again.....`
`04:05.21`	`bonez39`	`ScytheBlade1, tha was for you`
`04:05.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`timestamps? no, as the IRC protocol lacks timestamps :)`
`04:05.48`	`nick125`	`democracy player is cool...`
`04:05.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`bonez39, that's probably the most simple example that I have of a default menu for grub. Likewise, it should work perfectly ;)`
`04:06.25`	`mheath_`	`ScytheBlade1, and it maintains the conversations, and transfers all missed conversations to the client on connection?`
`04:06.37`	`mheath_`	`IE, populates the clients buffer`
`04:06.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`pretty much by sending it all at once`
`04:06.56`	`ScytheBlade1`	`which, you're right, does indeed butcher the timestamps`
`04:06.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`but yes`
`04:07.05`	`nick125`	`mheath_: but, you couldn't transfer the timestamps, unless you hack the irc protocol`
`04:07.26`	`mheath_`	`nick125: thanks for not reading what I said :)`
`04:08.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`HOLY CRAP A RECORD`
`04:08.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:08.39`	`nick125`	`well, if I'm understanding your concept right, you would have to hack the protocol, which would mean you would have to hack the client also, which seems kind of messy imo`
`04:08.39`	`bonez39`	`ScytheBlade1, thanks..I'll checkit out....and configure the win4lin session with default...`
`04:08.48`	`bonez39`	`back`
`04:08.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That box is set to reboot after X minutes if it doesn't have net connectivity`
`04:08.49`	`bonez39`	`ater`
`04:08.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It usually goes two days tops`
`04:09.01`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`pagcorp ~ # uptime`
`04:09.01`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:09.02`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`pagcorp ~ #`
`04:09.03`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`:-/`
`04:09.13`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sat Mar 25 21:02:55 MST 2006 - Lost Connectivity - Rebooting`
`04:09.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sat Mar 25 21:21:55 MST 2006 - Lost Connectivity - Rebooting`
`04:09.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Sat Mar 25 21:28:48 MST 2006 - Lost Connectivity - Rebooting`
`04:09.23`	`nick125`	`lol`
`04:09.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's more typical of that box :)`
`04:09.33`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`heh`
`04:09.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(Good ol' public school district networks)`
`04:09.47`	`ScytheBlade1`	`hence the sheer awe at 22 days of uptime`
`04:10.27`	`mheath_`	`ScytheBlade1, psyBNC says nothing about populating your client's buffer`
`04:10.38`	`mheath_`	`It logs, and you can use /playlog to get logged info`
`04:10.42`	`*** join/#utah beandog (n=sdibb@c-67-182-234-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net)`
`04:10.48`	`mheath_`	`but it isn't seamlessly like you never closed out your IRC program`
`04:10.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`No, but in turn if that happened`
`04:11.00`	`nick125`	`it would be cool if it was seamless`
`04:11.04`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, around?`
`04:11.05`	`ScytheBlade1`	`my local logs would have, you know`
`04:11.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`data in triplicate, more often than not`
`04:11.46`	`nick125`	`basically, what you could do is make a client and a proxy, the proxy would maintain the connection, then, when the client connects, it will use a custom protocol to deliver the info w/ timestamps`
`04:12.07`	`nick125`	`maybe XML`
`04:12.27`	`mheath_`	`nick125: Thanks for repeating what I said earlier! :)`
`04:12.37`	`ScytheBlade1`	`oh well`
`04:12.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`time to sleep`
`04:12.42`	`nick125`	`even better: put the raw IRC into a XML file, and simply add timestamps`
`04:12.43`	`nick125`	`such as..`
`04:12.51`	`nick125`	`<event>`
`04:12.59`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:13.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`atoponce, I read your "I'm going to compare ubuntu to gentoo" post, and fyi, I'm eagerly waiting additional posts ;)`
`04:13.21`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`nick125, Ewww! too much bandwidth!!`
`04:13.23`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:13.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Okay, or not`
`04:13.34`	`ScytheBlade1`	`xbmodder_lappy, what do you think of jabber? :P`
`04:13.39`	`beandog`	`atoponce: me too`
`04:13.41`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`sick, and gross`
`04:13.46`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`and why transmit timestamps?`
`04:13.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`At least you're honest`
`04:13.51`	`mheath_`	`nick125: You need to write cleaner XML`
`04:13.52`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Misguided ;)`
`04:13.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`But honest`
`04:14.02`	`nick125`	`mheath_: I know, that was just an example..`
`04:14.13`	`mheath_`	`All the sudden you stuck a bunch of stuff within one tag that would have been more appropriate in like 4`
`04:14.24`	`nick125`	`<event>`
`04:14.32`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:14.38`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:14.46`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:14.54`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:14.56`	`nick125`	`</event>`
`04:14.57`	`nick125`	`there :P`
`04:15.53`	`nick125`	`you need to add a <source><nick>blah</nick><host>blah.blah</host></source>`
`04:16.09`	`nick125`	`that would make it so easy to parse`
`04:16.20`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`<event>`
`04:16.20`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:16.20`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:16.20`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:16.21`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:16.21`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:16.25`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`</event>`
`04:16.27`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`:-)`
`04:16.38`	`nick125`	`crypt? wtf`
`04:16.43`	`maquis`	`oops`
`04:16.47`	`maquis`	`i missed bones`
`04:16.48`	`nick125`	`encoding? you don't need that either..`
`04:16.51`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`well you could do encryption in IRC`
`04:17.02`	`nick125`	`xbmodder_lappy: this is just for a IRC proxy basically..`
`04:17.07`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`and yeah you can use unicode, or non-unicode to save bandwidth`
`04:17.41`	`mheath_`	`xbmodder_lappy, encryption is conventially handled at a much lower level`
`04:17.58`	`mheath_`	`That is, an entire connection is encrypted, not just fields within a plaintext file`
`04:17.58`	`nick125`	`yeah`
`04:18.10`	`nick125`	`client <-> client encryption also gets ugly too..`
`04:18.11`	`mheath_`	`Also, why say that the encoding is UTF-8?`
`04:18.18`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`mheath_, but, that ads some overhead`
`04:18.26`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`adds`
`04:18.27`	`mheath_`	`Encoding in XML is defined via the Doctype tag`
`04:18.33`	`nick125`	`yeah`
`04:18.38`	`mheath_`	`Everything is consistently encoded`
`04:18.41`	`nick125`	`XML-RPC maybe? mmm..`
`04:18.42`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`crypting the whole connection, over jut the fields, and I forget about that`
`04:19.28`	`nick125`	`basically, the client will tell the XML-RPC server to send a burst since the last connection..heres probably what a starting session would look like:`
`04:19.32`	`nick125`	`<connect>`
`04:19.41`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:19.43`	`mheath_`	`xbmodder_lappy, not really. Encoding the 7 lines you mentioned using a particular pubkey doesn't really take THAT much more CPU time than just encoding "hi"`
`04:19.51`	`mheath_`	`both are negligibly small tasks`
`04:19.53`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:19.55`	`nick125`	`</connect>`
`04:19.59`	`nick125`	`<burst>`
`04:20.10`	`nick125`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:20.12`	`nick125`	`</burst>`
`04:20.32`	`mheath_`	`Remember, one of the strenghts of XML is the contexts`
`04:20.35`	`nick125`	`that way, you can tell it to burst channel messages, private messages (it would have some basic sorting), etc`
`04:20.42`	`mheath_`	`Tags are within tags, creating a context-sensitive tree`
`04:20.51`	`mheath_`	`You shouldn't need to be redundant`
`04:21.01`	`mheath_`	`just enclose all similar tags within a common parent`
`04:21.16`	`nick125`	`well, the thing is that you can send a pause then burst`
`04:22.11`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`mheath_, I think it should be extendable, so, if you wanted to add a new feature, you'd just nest the new XML under a "extend" context`
`04:23.21`	`mheath_`	`w00t, I finished the DNS bridge for FlexNet :)`
`04:23.25`	`nick125`	`this sounds like a pretty cool idea..`
`04:23.58`	`nick125`	`when the client disconnects, you send a <pause> then a <disconnect>`
`04:24.02`	`mheath_`	`dns."www.google.com".http :)`
`04:24.09`	`nick125`	`then, on connect, you send <connect> then <burst>`
`04:24.30`	`nick125`	`once it <burst>s, it should <flush> though`
`04:24.53`	`nick125`	`so it flushes messages waiting to be delivered`
`04:25.05`	`mheath_`	`hmm, this is ugly though =\`
`04:25.24`	`mheath_`	`Maybe I'll update it so www.* requests automatically try the DNS bridge if they fail..`
`04:25.26`	`nick125`	`or, when you part a channel for instance, it would <flush target="channel" /> too..`
`04:26.57`	`mheath_`	`google.http seems so much cleaner to me, than http://www.google.com/`
`04:26.58`	`brac`	`[Google]`
`04:27.30`	`mheath_`	`FlexNet's basics are really neat`
`04:30.12`	`mheath_`	`By the time I'm done....we're talking about sophisticated, advanced autodiscovery of every available network resource...`
`04:30.34`	`mheath_`	`A secure, powerful object based global communication protocol...`
`04:30.35`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`lol`
`04:30.52`	`nick125`	`I think this proxy idea would be pretty awesome :D`
`04:31.19`	`mheath_`	`With FlexNet.....`
`04:31.34`	`nick125`	`flexnet?`
`04:31.36`	`mheath_`	`Say the client types "google.http" into the browser window`
`04:32.01`	`levi_`	`maquis: gasp a TV show that you watch?!`
`04:32.03`	`nick125`	`but, that would be getting rid of TLDs..`
`04:32.18`	`mheath_`	`The browser (using provided libraries) queries the defined flexnet nameserver`
`04:32.44`	`mheath_`	`Asking for an object reference to the "http" service on the "google" host`
`04:33.21`	`mheath_`	`This is where it gets neat`
`04:33.26`	`nick125`	`I think that more things should use XML..mm`
`04:33.37`	`mheath_`	`Because, because of the way that the FlexNet nameservers work....`
`04:33.50`	`mheath_`	`You're talking about transparent auto-localizing of content`
`04:34.17`	`nick125`	`got any links to this?`
`04:34.18`	`mheath_`	`Google can distribute their World Wide Web servers throughout the world, and you'd automatically and seamlessly get the one closest to you`
`04:34.25`	`mheath_`	`nick125: It's something I'm working on`
`04:34.31`	`levi_`	`nick125: Why do you think more things should use XML?`
`04:34.58`	`nick125`	`levi_: more programming languages have support for XML, plus, its easier then custom protocols to implement in those languages`
`04:35.08`	`mheath_`	`FlexNet is mainly an networked object framework though`
`04:35.37`	`levi_`	`nick125: Have you ever implemented a full standards-compliant XML library in any language?`
`04:35.53`	`nick125`	`levi_: most languages have a library available..`
`04:35.56`	`mheath_`	`You're doing away with traditional TCP/IP networking and hundreds of different protocols`
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`04:36.26`	`mheath_`	`The entire internet - all the services, networking, permissions - would be abstracted and object oriented.`
`04:36.36`	`nick125`	`that would be cool...`
`04:37.06`	`levi_`	`nick125: Yes, but you said it was easier to implement in 'those languages'.`
`04:37.45`	`nick125`	`levi_: yeah, the languages that have a XML library`
`04:38.26`	`levi_`	`nick125: Okay, so obviously you didn't mean implementing an XML library like it looks like you said. What are you implementing then?`
`04:51.19`	`nick125`	`implementing something that utilizes XML`
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`04:59.33`	`bonez39`	`:)`
`05:00.19`	`bonez39`	`I drove to my office....rebooted my linux box..which was stuck.....frozen..and it booted back up...while there, I ran ssh zugraum.com to connect to home here....and that connected fine.....from work to home.....`
`05:00.50`	`bonez39`	`now though, I am back home, and if I ssh to work....I can't connect...can't get a ping to respond to either the IP address or to the domain name of the linux box at work....`
`05:01.27`	`bonez39`	`how would apache keep on serving up pages, and yet have the same machine disallow a ping to it?`
`05:01.48`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`firewall?`
`05:02.14`	`bonez39`	`xbmodder_, nothing has changed with my firewall....could the port 22 not be forwarding as it should? is that possible?`
`05:03.08`	`bonez39`	`I haven't changed anything with the ports.....if someone were to have hacked my machine, could they have made this mess?`
`05:03.30`	`bonez39`	`I use the same pasword.....when there, it works, but when attempting to connect remotely here, same password fails....`
`05:04.37`	`bonez39`	`I open a Konqueror session, and attempt to connect to the hard drive using sftp://fyrenice.com and that even rejects my user name and password, as well as root and password`
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`05:06.51`	`bonez39`	`hatchmt, good evening`
`05:10.14`	`bonez39`	`very strange.....`
`05:10.29`	`bonez39`	`not sure what would make ssh connection not work...`
`05:20.53`	`bonez39`	`exit`
`05:21.10`	`bonez39`	`xbmodder_, do you work overnight? or jsut stay up late?`
`05:28.07`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`I am in PST8PDT`
`05:28.20`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`sorry for the long delay`
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`05:50.24`	`bonez39`	`xbmodder_, waht is PST8PDT?`
`05:56.39`	`findlay`	`pretty small trait petulant down there`
`06:03.01`	`bonez39`	`findlay, well, that explains it.....`
`06:03.22`	`QBFreak`	`mplayer hates me`
`06:03.32`	`bonez39`	`petulant...looking up....must be a term I missed in school`
`06:03.45`	`QBFreak`	`at random, the keys to skip around (arrow keys etc) will all suddenly only take me back to the beginning`
`06:04.42`	`nick125`	`man, my connection is soo maxed out..`
`06:04.47`	`nick125`	`3400ms pings`
`06:05.49`	`nick125`	`however, by the time I get up tomorrow morning, I should have 20-30 shows to watch (I love democracy player)`
`06:06.52`	`nick125`	`and these are like..200MB-500MB videos too...`
`06:21.11`	`levi_`	`nick125: Obviously you have far too much free time.`
`06:21.13`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`bonez39, I think maquis wanted to talk to you`
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`06:56.41`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`Anyone here have a T60p, whats the battery life like?`
`07:00.04`	`bonez39`	`maquis, are you still here?`
`07:19.20`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`no`
`07:42.16`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`Does anybody here work for intel?`
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`12:31.41`	`herlo`	`nice: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/17/2058219`
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`13:29.40`	`emcnabb`	`morning all`
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`13:48.28`	`elg`	`-lart emcnabb`
`13:57.28`	`emcnabb`	`-lart elg`
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`14:21.10`	`^Migs^`	`I hate it when I miss the exit on the freeway when driving to work and end up driving to the next city entirely`
`14:22.44`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`heh`
`14:22.56`	`goozbach`	`ha ha`
`14:22.59`	`goozbach`	`moring`
`14:23.03`	`goozbach`	`morning`
`14:23.05`	`goozbach`	`bah`
`14:23.10`	`goozbach`	`me need more pepsi`
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`14:27.16`	`bonez39`	`maquis?`
`14:27.57`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`no.`
`14:28.12`	`bonez39`	`xbmodder_, that's odd....`
`14:28.48`	`bonez39`	`how can apache serve up a web page from a machine, yet, pinging that same machine finds no ping response?`
`14:28.51`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`How long, after intel releases their merom core, would you expect it to be integrated within lenovo's notebooks`
`14:29.04`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`iptables`
`14:29.18`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmpall`
`14:29.49`	`bonez39`	`iptables? that's my trouble? I dont' eve nknow how to fiddle with iptables.....`
`14:30.15`	`goozbach`	`bonez39: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp*`
`14:30.32`	`bonez39`	`zugraum:/home/scott# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp*`
`14:30.32`	`bonez39`	`1`
`14:30.32`	`bonez39`	`0`
`14:30.32`	`bonez39`	`1000`
`14:30.33`	`bonez39`	`6168`
`14:30.35`	`bonez39`	`zugraum:/home/scott#`
`14:30.39`	`bonez39`	`that's the result....goozbach`
`14:30.51`	`bonez39`	`this is run locally...I can't connect to the remote machine in question....`
`14:30.53`	`goozbach`	`now, run an ls`
`14:31.02`	`goozbach`	`oh NM then`
`14:31.09`	`bonez39`	`goozbach, an ls, locally?`
`14:31.15`	`bonez39`	`I need to run that on the machine at work?`
`14:31.18`	`goozbach`	`the remote machine is probally blocking ping requests`
`14:31.34`	`bonez39`	`I went to work..and could ssh to this machine at home, but can't go the other direction....`
`14:31.40`	`goozbach`	`which is usually an overzealous, undereducated admin`
`14:31.51`	`bonez39`	`and i have not intentionally or knowingly gone in and done anything to block ping requests on that machine`
`14:32.12`	`bonez39`	`I am the admin..and have done nothing to the ping requests...I want to be able to ping it....`
`14:32.33`	`goozbach`	`which distro is it running?`
`14:32.42`	`bonez39`	`debian 3.1...on both machines...`
`14:32.54`	`bonez39`	`I have been able to ssh to either machine.......`
`14:33.08`	`bonez39`	`as well from other machines, using putty if I am running windows elsewhere`
`14:33.31`	`bonez39`	`but not now...could apt-get upgrade have installed something that has hosed my ability to connect out?`
`14:33.46`	`goozbach`	`maybe`
`14:34.01`	`bonez39`	`bummer.....`
`14:34.01`	`goozbach`	`not sure abt debian`
`14:34.07`	`bonez39`	`ok`
`14:34.13`	`goozbach`	`but FC/RHEL sets up a default firewall`
`14:34.20`	`goozbach`	`that is pretty restrictive`
`14:34.50`	`elg`	`the problem is almost certainly a firewall`
`14:36.27`	`bonez39`	`elg, a firewall just set itself up without any interaction from me?`
`14:37.05`	`elg`	`maybe, d`
`14:37.10`	`elg`	`maybe someone in between has set up a firewall`
`14:37.23`	`bonez39`	`in between?`
`14:37.34`	`bonez39`	`it's one machine..I am the only one who does anything to it....`
`14:37.43`	`elg`	`your isp, perhaps`
`14:37.45`	`bonez39`	`I change my passwords frequently.......`
`14:37.56`	`goozbach`	`so I made salsa (pico de gallo) last night, and I forgot to wear gloves when handling the peppers`
`14:37.56`	`bonez39`	`how could xmission change my firewall?`
`14:38.02`	`elg`	`anyway, it's more likely a firewall got set up than some icmp stuff in the kernel got messed with`
`14:38.22`	`goozbach`	`then I realized that I had forgotten to take out my contacts`
`14:38.26`	`elg`	`if xmission is your isp, you can rule the isp out`
`14:38.33`	`bonez39`	`elg, do I contact xmission and ask if they tweaked my stuff?`
`14:38.35`	`goozbach`	`so I had to sleep with them in`
`14:39.00`	`elg`	`nope`
`14:39.12`	`goozbach`	`it's not xmission`
`14:39.15`	`bonez39`	`I have xmission, serving up a dsl signal and IP address to my Cisco 678...which goes to a hub into which my linux box , with port 22 forwarding is connected...`
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`14:39.17`	`elg`	`they wouldn't have. if they were in the habit of firewalling you'd hear us all lamenting`
`14:39.25`	`goozbach`	`they don't do that`
`14:39.44`	`bonez39`	`I can load a browser and open my home page....apache2 seems to serve that up just fine.....`
`14:40.00`	`bonez39`	`yet I can't ping that machine or ssh to it.....to me that's just weird.`
`14:40.10`	`bonez39`	`the domain is fyrenice.com`
`14:40.24`	`bonez39`	`I can even run web applications which run on that machine....remotely......`
`14:40.35`	`goozbach`	`run nmap against it`
`14:40.39`	`goozbach`	`nmap foo.com`
`14:41.48`	`bonez39`	`zugraum:/home/scott# nmap fyrenice.com`
`14:41.48`	`bonez39`	`Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-04-28 08:40 MDT`
`14:41.48`	`bonez39`	`Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -P0`
`14:41.48`	`bonez39`	`Nmap finished: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 4.147 seconds`
`14:41.49`	`bonez39`	`zugraum:/home/scott#`
`14:41.56`	`bonez39`	`weird, eh?`
`14:42.49`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`goozbach, do you wear colored contacts?`
`14:42.51`	`bonez39`	`does that tell anything?`
`14:43.07`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`o`
`14:43.21`	`goozbach`	`bonez39: it's a firewall issue`
`14:43.38`	`goozbach`	`or a proc/net icmp blocking issue`
`14:43.56`	`goozbach`	`do a -P0 with the nmap`
`14:44.12`	`bonez39`	`goozbach, so, something that inadvertently ran, or that apt-get upgrade set up...is now blocking ping and ssh requests, right?`
`14:44.26`	`bonez39`	`is that -P zero or -P Oh.....`
`14:44.51`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`zero`
`14:45.00`	`goozbach`	`zero`
`14:45.04`	`goozbach`	`bonez39: likley`
`14:45.10`	`bonez39`	`it just sits there.......cant' seem to move....`
`14:45.25`	`goozbach`	`or your box has gotten haxored and the hacker set up a firewall`
`14:45.32`	`bonez39`	`ok, once I am at work....where do I want to look, to resolve this?`
`14:45.37`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`wait, port-scans are skow`
`14:45.40`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`slow`
`14:45.52`	`bonez39`	`is that what nmap does...scan all the ports?`
`14:46.29`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`yeah`
`14:46.41`	`bonez39`	`zugraum:/home/scott# nmap -P0 fyrenice.com`
`14:46.41`	`bonez39`	`Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-04-28 08:43 MDT`
`14:46.41`	`bonez39`	`Interesting ports on drjones.dsl.xmission.com (166.70.243.110):`
`14:46.41`	`bonez39`	`(The 1659 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: filtered)`
`14:46.41`	`bonez39`	`PORT STATE SERVICE`
`14:46.42`	`bonez39`	`22/tcp open ssh`
`14:46.43`	`bonez39`	`25/tcp open smtp`
`14:46.45`	`bonez39`	`80/tcp open http`
`14:46.47`	`bonez39`	`443/tcp open https`
`14:46.51`	`bonez39`	`Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 96.932 seconds`
`14:46.53`	`bonez39`	`that worked finally..just took a while....`
`14:46.57`	`bonez39`	`so....maybe it's NOT hosed or firewalled...`
`14:47.30`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`maybe someone played with /proc/sys/net`
`14:47.55`	`bonez39`	`xbmodder_, ok...I'll log on from there..later, and maybe we can figure it out then......`
`14:48.46`	`bonez39`	`at the least, should I change my passwords....root and user ..when I get to that machine? and reboot for good measure?`
`14:49.17`	`bonez39`	`also, should one run nmap as user or root? or does it matter?`
`14:50.02`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`I think root is your best choice`
`14:50.31`	`bonez39`	`ok......`
`14:50.43`	`^Migs^`	`where did the name "root" come from anyway?`
`14:51.00`	`bonez39`	`it's possible...though, right, that this could just result from an overagressive upgrade....which changed something to tighter than I normally would have it set?`
`14:51.12`	`bonez39`	`roots of a tree?`
`14:52.41`	`^Migs^`	`oh`
`14:52.43`	`^Migs^`	`I guess that makes sense`
`14:54.46`	`bonez39`	`^Migs^, what do you do ? your work?`
`14:57.03`	`^Migs^`	`yes, I do my work`
`14:57.48`	`bonez39`	`I was asking.....What Is Your Work?`
`14:57.55`	`^Migs^`	`oh, web developer`
`14:57.57`	`bonez39`	`mine, for example..is Chiropractic...`
`14:57.59`	`bonez39`	`ah...`
`14:58.44`	`bonez39`	`I talked with a lady downtown SLC..a few days ago...who does web development..advertising, etc...I asked..if she put a site up for me, could I change content and such...she said it was all Flash..and that I was limited in what I could change...`
`14:59.11`	`^Migs^`	`Flash is overrated`
`14:59.17`	`bonez39`	`I want to have my business web such that I can change anything with it on the fly.......update stuff....have it managed, like with Mambo....or something...`
`14:59.30`	`^Migs^`	`it can be useful, but it's not always the best way to go`
`14:59.38`	`^Migs^`	`well, don't use Mambo`
`14:59.50`	`bonez39`	`do you use any sort of content management ?`
`14:59.52`	`^Migs^`	`in fact, it's usually better to write your own content management system with just what you need`
`15:00.08`	`^Migs^`	`well yeah, I use PostNuke for our school district site. Not my choice, actually. It was here when I started working here.`
`15:00.23`	`^Migs^`	`I'm working on my own CMS which I'd like to change it over to eventually`
`15:00.36`	`bonez39`	`ah....a CMS you cooked up?`
`15:01.22`	`^Migs^`	`no, cooking up. Specifically for school districts.`
`15:01.30`	`bonez39`	`oh, I see.......`
`15:01.31`	`^Migs^`	`with attachable modules and stuff`
`15:01.42`	`^Migs^`	`like an assignment tracker, school calendars, blah blah blah`
`15:02.18`	`bonez39`	`what you need to bury in the code for your CMS is....something that will trap any funding..if it comes wired, or from the admin computer..and distribute all that money to the schools, before the admin folks get their greedy paws on it....`
`15:02.22`	`bonez39`	`are you in utah?`
`15:03.05`	`^Migs^`	`yes`
`15:03.06`	`bonez39`	`the legislature here keeps pushing for more money for schools, when all they need to do is run PostNuke....sans the Post..on the admin and admin buildings..and then there'd be plenty 'o money for the teachers and students....!`
`15:03.35`	`^Migs^`	`It's really not that simple :)`
`15:03.41`	`bonez39`	`school administration RAPES the financial health of our education system.....`
`15:04.13`	`^Migs^`	`it's not cheap to educate kids`
`15:04.16`	`bonez39`	`oh? it's complicated? yeah, it's complicated cause the good old boys running the show want to assure a life time stream of revenue......and the welfare of the students be DAMNED.....`
`15:04.45`	`bonez39`	`I have friends who have worked in administration.....they tell me how revolting and disgusting it is...how the money is wasted........`
`15:05.10`	`^Migs^`	`that's actually quite normal with government and government-related jobs.`
`15:05.13`	`bonez39`	`the administration building should never get upgraded until every school building that houses students has the latest and greatest....FIRST....admin should come LAST....`
`15:05.16`	`^Migs^`	`the federal government, imo, is the worst`
`15:05.30`	`bonez39`	`well, yeah, too much fat in the fed......agreed there.....`
`15:05.45`	`^Migs^`	`I used to work for a private consulting company, for instance, that did a lot of work with Hill Air Force Base. One of our contracts was in converting their old hardcopy technical manuals to digital form.`
`15:06.21`	`^Migs^`	`They set up an extensive system that ran in the billions of dollars, was extremely buggy, overbloated, and rarely worked as expected. We set the same thing in our office, albeit with much limited functionality, for about $100,000`
`15:07.02`	`^Migs^`	`after that, we never used HAFB's system again for what we needed to do`
`15:08.27`	`bonez39`	`ah, imagine if all that money went to stuff that actually mattered and that worked.....`
`15:08.43`	`^Migs^`	`yeah`
`15:08.50`	`^Migs^`	`so much money that gets wasted...`
`15:09.04`	`bonez39`	`that's my contention with the schools....I'd like to rip the lid off..and reveal all the waste..and kick out all the bums who waste the money that SHOULD be going to provide my kids with a killer first rate education.....`
`15:09.24`	`^Migs^`	`how exactly is money being wasted in the schools?`
`15:09.28`	`bonez39`	`that's the big crime....and government...`
`15:09.48`	`bonez39`	`it's spent on stuff that has NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER with educating children.......`
`15:09.55`	`^Migs^`	`such as?`
`15:10.14`	`bonez39`	`as with stuff spent at the admin building.......remodeling offices there.....perks and bigger bonuses for administrators....`
`15:10.30`	`bonez39`	`that should never be paid until the teachers and classrooms are getting the best......`
`15:10.41`	`^Migs^`	`I disagree.`
`15:11.11`	`^Migs^`	`the administrators' jobs are what helps run the schools. They're extremely busy. If there's deficiencies in their buildings, it's nice to have them remodeled.`
`15:11.15`	`bonez39`	`it's the same iwth the church to which so many of us belong....they spend money.....sacred trust fund money on remodeling offices.and upgrading computers..whilst the serfs..the pawns..the folks at the bottom get a few crumbs...`
`15:11.35`	`^Migs^`	`tithing is not a tax`
`15:11.59`	`bonez39`	`well, ok, we disagree...but why does it seem to seem to cost so much and require so many chiefs......to lead a fewer amount of indians?`
`15:12.04`	`^Migs^`	`that's also completely unrelated to this discussion, and I have no clue why you just threw that in there`
`15:12.08`	`bonez39`	`tithing is not a tax......true`
`15:12.23`	`^Migs^`	`if you don't feel like paying tithing, then don't`
`15:12.24`	`bonez39`	`jsut a similar situation...`
`15:12.39`	`^Migs^`	`how is it similar? it's an optional offering.`
`15:12.48`	`bonez39`	`I gladly pay my tithing and I'll let the Lord punish those who waste it on superfluity.....`
`15:13.17`	`bonez39`	`talkinga bout waste.....wasted resources.......on stuff that doesn't matter.....when it should go to things that really matter`
`15:13.28`	`^Migs^`	`nor is it your responsibility to track where it goes to make sure it gets funded properly. Taxes are different. As taxpayers, we have a responsibility to make sure things go to the right place. If you have a problem with how the school district(s) are spending the taxpayers' money, let somebody know. That's why there's elections.`
`15:13.39`	`^Migs^`	`there you go, good spirit there, bonez`
`15:14.15`	`bonez39`	`ah, then why don't the schools have publish an annual report..and declare where every penny goes?`
`15:14.30`	`bonez39`	`it's a black hole.they dont' have to account publicly for how they spend the education money...`
`15:14.37`	`^Migs^`	`actually, I'm quite sure they do, since it's governed by a board of directors and all that`
`15:14.44`	`^Migs^`	`I wouldn't know, though`
`15:14.48`	`bonez39`	`I do vote and am getting more and more involved with the meetings....`
`15:15.03`	`bonez39`	`no, I called about it...they schools don't ahve to disclose how they spend all the funds....`
`15:15.37`	`bonez39`	`the salaries and pay for every person employed in the school district from the Superintendent on down to the janitor should be posted...common public knowledge...`
`15:16.18`	`bonez39`	`that would then be fair and open..and those who could stand the heat....could then run things and know that all the taxpayers would be at their door .... pitchforks and torches ablazing..if they are wasting tax funded education...`
`15:16.46`	`JoshH`	`so we could all see how much teachers get shafted?`
`15:16.50`	`^Migs^`	`who exactly did you "call" about this?`
`15:16.59`	`^Migs^`	`yeah, they do. I make considerably more than any teacher.`
`15:17.09`	`^Migs^`	`kind of sucks, really. They have the tough job.`
`15:17.18`	`JoshH`	`i bet they would love for everyone to know that they get paid 22k to babysit 45 kids at a time`
`15:18.17`	`^Migs^`	`I think everyone already knows that`
`15:18.19`	`bonez39`	`JoshH, well, maybe that would spur changes to how we compensate our teachers.....and I bet too, it would spur more change in how much we pay the school admin folks...who don't teach..and have no direct interaction with students......`
`15:18.30`	`JoshH`	`bonez39: also, i don't think taxpayers in this state care too much about their money being wasted.`
`15:19.00`	`bonez39`	`I called one of the actuaries...at Jordan District....one of the guys who produces the variosu reports ..and accounting issues....someone who is right in the middle of this....`
`15:19.02`	`^Migs^`	`exactly how much do you think administrators are making? six figures?`
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`15:19.27`	`bonez39`	`JoshH, they don't care? I care....but yeah, sadly so many are distanced and have no clue..how they are getting screwed`
`15:19.36`	`bonez39`	`some are...making 6 figures.....`
`15:19.46`	`JoshH`	`i'm all in favor if minimal taxes, but i think lack of funding is a bigger problem with our schools than misuse of funds honestly`
`15:20.02`	`^Migs^`	`you really think they're making 6 figures?`
`15:20.06`	`bonez39`	`I have a very close friend who is married to the Sup's brother....she knows the inside scoop and had to quit working there....she was nauseated at seeing how things are wasted`
`15:20.19`	`bonez39`	`I know that some of them are.....yes`
`15:20.40`	`^Migs^`	`heh`
`15:21.06`	`JoshH`	`but bonez39`
`15:21.30`	`bonez39`	`yes?`
`15:21.36`	`Bradipo`	`JoshH: I don't worry as much about state taxes being wasted, but state taxes are minimal compared to the Federal taxes.`
`15:21.37`	`JoshH`	`what is a public, government run institution that does not waste a lot of money`
`15:21.44`	`levi`	`But managers are /always/ paid more than the workers. You have to respect the hierarchy.`
`15:21.51`	`JoshH`	`it seems strange that you are picking on schools in particular`
`15:22.14`	`^Migs^`	`not schools, school districts`
`15:22.16`	`levi`	`To elevate the workers would be downright Communist!`
`15:22.17`	`JoshH`	`Bradipo: i enjoyed having no state income taxes when i lived in texas sigh`
`15:22.27`	`bonez39`	`ok, let's toss out the entire government..... and eliminate the corruption..and build anew`
`15:22.31`	`JoshH`	`not to mention no sales tax on food`
`15:22.45`	`JoshH`	`it's funny how for such a republican state we get taxed to death here`
`15:22.47`	`Bradipo`	`bonez39: Can waste really be avoided? Whenever someone gets something for nothing they don't respect it as much and are prone to waste it away.`
`15:22.56`	`Bradipo`	`bonez39: Right on brother!`
`15:22.57`	`JoshH`	`and our politicians are all for taxing internet purchases too`
`15:22.58`	`bonez39`	`waste is inevitable...`
`15:23.07`	`bonez39`	`but it can be limited`
`15:23.16`	`Bradipo`	`bonez39: Not if you don't give it away...`
`15:24.33`	`JoshH`	`bonez all i'm saying is that if you are concerned about waste in the public sector, there are bigger offenders than the school system`
`15:25.04`	`JoshH`	`you're right that it should all be accounted for`
`15:25.07`	`Bradipo`	`Yeah, if you want to talk about real pork and barrel waste, look to the Fed.`
`15:25.40`	`^Migs^`	`their wastefulness is what gives lots of people jobs so it...kind of...balances...out?`
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`15:26.17`	`^Migs^`	`I really think school districts get screwed budgetwise in a lot of ways as it is`
`15:26.19`	`bonez39`	`I look at the bed too...`
`15:26.22`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: Since when is it the function of the government to handout jobs? Is this what the Constitution was written for?`
`15:26.31`	`^Migs^`	`the government LOVES using contractors`
`15:26.47`	`Bradipo`	Or do you believe that the ``general welfare'' clause is license to do whatever they please?
`15:26.47`	`^Migs^`	`billions of dollars get thrown at contractors each year`
`15:26.59`	`^Migs^`	`it helps fuel the national economy`
`15:27.20`	`bonez39`	`the funding for medical and chiropractic care....they spend less than 2% of the federal spending for medical..on chiropractic care...but they go after chirorpactic and want to cut funding there...when they want to pay for a the medicare drug discount program....`
`15:27.23`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: Are you saying that capitalism is broken and that the national economy would suffer without governmental intervention?`
`15:27.27`	`bonez39`	`that's fraudulent......in my book`
`15:27.34`	`flyboy^`	`In other words, we take taxes, take away administration fees, and feed them back in to the economy they came from?`
`15:28.05`	`Bradipo`	`flyboy^: Except they aren't used as productively as they would have been had they been retained by the people who earned it.`
`15:28.06`	`^Migs^`	`it's all multi-tiered. It's kind of inappropriate to place blame at any one entity or cause`
`15:28.10`	`^Migs^`	`*multi-faceted`
`15:28.20`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: What other entity is there?`
`15:28.24`	`bonez39`	`we look at government..and have it do what it was intended to do..and not become the end all be all self serving monster that it has morphed into`
`15:28.30`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: Government is the only entity that forcefully takes taxes.`
`15:28.42`	`^Migs^`	`it probably would actually, Bradipo., but the government acts in its vocation as an employer in these instances, not as a legislative authority`
`15:28.47`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: If you were to come to my door and steal my goods, I would then be able to place blame on you.`
`15:29.00`	`^Migs^`	`vocation?`
`15:29.07`	`^Migs^`	`why'd I say vocation? What word was I looking for?`
`15:29.30`	`^Migs^`	`*capacity`
`15:29.35`	`bonez39`	`F___ the government....it's the lesser of all evils in the world....we have to live iwth it , but certainly we don't ahve to agree with it and let it continue..unchanged.....`
`15:30.09`	`flyboy^`	`Revolt!`
`15:30.11`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: I suppose I could already claim to lay blame on you since you support it, but most people wouldn't take to kindly to being blamed for the thievery of the 1 ton gorilla. They are all to quick to use it as the scapegoat.`
`15:30.40`	`^Migs^`	`what do you mean by I "support it"?`
`15:31.25`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: I was assuming by your economic analysis of how the government stimulates the market that you supported what goes on.`
`15:31.51`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: My mistake if this is an incorrect assessment.`
`15:31.57`	`^Migs^`	`no, I was offering a counterobservation. I remain fairly neutral on this subject, as I'm one of those people that really doesn't care, because I have too much crap going on in my life right now.`
`15:32.22`	`^Migs^`	`just because I note another perspective doesn't mean I enthusiastically endorse that perspective`
`15:33.59`	`levi`	`^Migs^: If you're not with Bradipo, you're against him! Viva la revolution!`
`15:34.29`	`Bradipo`	`levi: I never said that, Bush did. :-)`
`15:34.51`	`levi`	`Oh, I must have mixed up my B-names.`
`15:38.04`	`Bradipo`	levi: And I wasn't ``against'' anyone here, not even ^Migs^. I guess I shouldn't assume that when people make statements they actually believe what they are saying.
`15:39.02`	`Bradipo`	Isn't that what ``true'' politics is all about anyway? People telling lies?
`15:39.19`	`levi`	`Arguing a point one does not believe in is not lying.`
`15:39.53`	`Bradipo`	`levi: No, of course it isn't.`
`15:39.56`	`^Migs^`	`that's ridiculous`
`15:40.07`	`^Migs^`	`lawyers argue points they don't believe in all the time, and they're not....er, nm`
`15:40.15`	`Bradipo`	But in a forum such as IRC it is difficult to know if one is ``playing devils advocate'' or not.
`15:40.28`	`^Migs^`	`okay, you're misguided in what my intentions wer.`
`15:40.41`	`^Migs^`	`My intention was to attempt to maintain some form of balance, offering different viewpoints, open minds a little...`
`15:40.50`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: Now you are the one misconstruing statements. I wasn't accusing you of telling lies. I was calling politics the game of lying.`
`15:40.53`	`^Migs^`	`how is that being deceptive?`
`15:41.20`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: Again, no deception. You qualified your statements by saying that you were offering a counter.`
`15:41.39`	`Bradipo`	`And I offered my apologies for the mistake.`
`15:41.45`	`^Migs^`	`well, I'm FURIOUS!`
`15:42.20`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: You got the in-laws around or something?`
`15:42.24`	`^Migs^`	`hehe`
`15:42.28`	`^Migs^`	`they've been keeping my house VERY clean`
`15:42.53`	`^Migs^`	`I'm like "holy flippin dang" (I say that because I live in Utah) because it's so clean`
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`15:44.02`	`sjansen`	`~rlart`
`15:44.04`	`Bradipo`	`sjansen: You're late, you missed all the politicking.`
`15:44.41`	`sjansen`	`I'm early in my time zone.`
`15:44.45`	`^Migs^`	`does your business have a web site, bonez39?`
`15:44.52`	`Bradipo`	`West coast?`
`15:44.53`	`^Migs^`	`I need a good chiropractor`
`15:45.01`	`sjansen`	`Yup.`
`15:45.04`	`sjansen`	`So what'd I miss?`
`15:45.08`	`Bradipo`	`Nothing much.`
`15:45.12`	`sjansen`	`Vim kicks emacs trash.`
`15:45.32`	`sjansen`	`Gnome is so obviously superior that if you like anything else you're mental.`
`15:45.33`	`Bradipo`	`Just my usual blather. And I was again accused by levi as being a revolutionary, same old same old.`
`15:45.55`	`Bradipo`	`sjansen: At least we agree on vim v emacs. :-)`
`15:46.13`	`tristanbob`	`anyone have recommendations on where to get sattelite TV from?`
`15:46.20`	`sjansen`	`Ah, the old libertarian Bradipo vs. everybody else is a fascist or communist in comparison.`
`15:46.44`	`Bradipo`	`sjansen: Not quite. I never accused anyone of being anything.`
`15:47.01`	`Bradipo`	Unless you consider the government ``someone''
`15:47.18`	`sjansen`	`Bradipo: Yeah, well your an evil capitalist pig! And you smell funny!`
`15:47.35`	`Bradipo`	`Can pigs not smell funny?`
`15:47.37`	`sjansen`	`so, uhm, yeah... guess I haven't missed anything`
`15:48.52`	`levi`	`Now I have to wait for the 1st of May for delivery.`
`15:49.16`	`^Migs^`	`brb, rebooting`
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`15:49.30`	`levi`	`I wonder if they'll actually call me for jury duty. The paperwork they sent me said my on-call time starts in May.`
`15:49.57`	`Bradipo`	`levi: I've heard that if you don't register to vote they won't ever call you for jury duty. Know if this is true or not?`
`15:50.19`	`levi`	`I have no idea, though I never got called to jury duty before I registered.`
`15:52.06`	`sjansen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:52.28`	`sjansen`	`That'll either get you our of jury duty, or get you a contempt of court charge.`
`15:52.29`	`levi`	`sjansen: Amen!`
`15:53.17`	`levi`	`Er, wait.`
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`15:53.51`	`Bradipo`	levi: If you want to get out of jury duty and avoid ``contempt of court'' simply ask the judge to explain jury nullification.
`15:55.00`	`^Migs^`	`wow`
`15:55.13`	`^Migs^`	`I just said to myself, "SCREW CULTURAL NORMS, I'M EATING MY LUNCH NOW" even though it's not noonish.`
`15:55.16`	`Jayce^`	`levi, thankfully the two times I've been called, I was selected..`
`15:55.43`	`Jayce^`	`both times it got cancelled the night before`
`15:56.32`	`sjansen`	`I'd claim that jury duty shouldn't be avoided, if it weren't for media circuses that last months on end.`
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`15:57.43`	`levi`	`I'm sure the probability of getting one of those cases is tiny, but it scares me.`
`15:57.56`	`^Migs^`	`http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4891485`
`15:58.06`	`tensai`	`my wife just missed a long murder trial last year, got a dui case instead`
`15:58.33`	`Bradipo`	`^Migs^: Wow, nice toy.`
`15:58.42`	`^Migs^`	`I don't even have a clue what it is`
`15:58.46`	`QBFreak`	`^Migs^: teaching your children to play with their food?`
`15:59.07`	`QBFreak`	`its a rocking horse errr vegtable`
`15:59.11`	`Bradipo`	`Just a toy to have out in the yard.`
`15:59.29`	`Bradipo`	`I think the pea pod looks more useful.`
`15:59.31`	`QBFreak`	`exactly! your neighbors will think you have an awesome garden when in fact its just plastic`
`16:01.31`	`levi`	`Mmm, eggplant.`
`16:02.48`	`Bradipo`	`levi: I'm growing eggplant in my garden this year.`
`16:03.32`	`Bradipo`	`I may have extra plants if you're interested.`
`16:03.52`	`Bradipo`	`Never grown them before so I'm not sure how they will turn out, but I figure its worth a try.`
`16:05.48`	`levi`	`I've really only had them in eggplant parmesan.`
`16:05.58`	`levi`	`But I really like eggplant parmesan!`
`16:09.31`	`Bradipo`	`levi: Same here. That is why I'm growing them, so I can make that very dish.`
`16:09.53`	`Bradipo`	`I've had them in Thai food too.`
`16:11.33`	`Bradipo`	`Actually, I have also made other Italian dishes with them, but parmigiana is definitely my favorite.`
`16:14.04`	`tensai`	`the japanese grill eggplant a lot. I'm no eggplant fan, but they seem to like it.`
`16:14.58`	`Bradipo`	`It is actually very good when prepared well.`
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`16:21.24`	`RyanE_`	`eggplant grows well here. My parents grow it every year.`
`16:21.32`	`RyanE_`	`fried eggplant is good.`
`16:21.39`	`RyanE_`	`(breaded and fried, that is)`
`16:22.07`	`findlay`	`does it taste like squash?`
`16:22.22`	`findlay`	`or like cactus?`
`16:22.51`	`^Migs^`	`I bet if you boil it with sugar, it tastes good`
`16:24.34`	`harleypig`	`Great monkey poo-flinging!`
`16:25.06`	`tensai`	`harleypig: oh, you did read my blog. I'm touched.`
`16:26.39`	`harleypig`	`tensai: Is that your blog? blogs.ittoolbox.com/security/investigator ?`
`16:27.22`	`tensai`	`harleypig: no, zmonkey.org where our motto is "we're the kind of monkeys that don't throw feces ... very often"`
`16:29.26`	`harleypig`	`oh, yeah, i've read that one too. :]`
`16:36.05`	`QBFreak`	`muahaha adds tensai to list of people to harass`
`16:40.28`	`QBFreak`	`I hate having to fill in school information and all that by hand...`
`16:41.31`	`Bradipo`	`findlay: Doesn't taste like squash. The only cactus I've had was fichi d'india (cactus figs or whatever they are called here) and it was a sweet fruit.`
`16:42.14`	`lars-ut`	`~frack`
`16:42.16`	`ibot`	`i heard frack is the old spelling for "frak"`
`16:42.21`	`lars-ut`	`~frak`
`16:42.22`	`ibot`	`well, frak is a fictional curseword from Battlestar Galactica: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_expletives#F`
`16:42.29`	`lars-ut`	`that's better.`
`16:44.27`	`harleypig`	`This shouldn't be an odd news item! This should be on the front page! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_pakistan_court;_ylt=AsVg1uOtsdhmFMmmFeGdQHbtiBIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--`
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`16:48.29`	`harleypig`	`Anyone interested in a YAPC::Utah ?`
`16:49.04`	`lars-ut`	`harleypig: nah - that should be a minor news item, right up there with our president approving a deal for a US military parts company being sold to an Arab nation`
`16:49.06`	`lars-ut`	`http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-04-28-bush-dubai_x.htm`
`16:49.07`	`brac`	`[USATODAY.com - Bush backs Dubai firm's plant operations]`
`16:49.29`	`lars-ut`	`no news here`
`16:50.24`	`harleypig`	`WEll, they should both be on the news, not relegated to the background behind the murder count and deranged women driving vehicles into buildings.`
`16:50.30`	`harleypig`	`As funny as the last item is ...`
`16:51.17`	`tensai`	`lars-ut: no surprise, certainly. given the current state of globalization it seems we're a little late to start worrying about who's making what.`
`16:51.36`	`lars-ut`	`~lart globalization`
`16:54.57`	`lars-ut`	`here's another one you won't hear about:`
`16:54.59`	`lars-ut`	`http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060207-103311-5083r.htm`
`16:55.02`	`brac`	`[Sheriff insists Mexican military crossed border - Nation/Politics - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper]`
`16:55.47`	`QBFreak`	`it says its opening this document, but then nothing happens`
`16:57.22`	`^Migs^`	`if we won't hear about it, why's it in a major newspaper?`
`16:58.52`	`levi`	`harleypig: What's YAPC::Utah ?`
`16:59.03`	`lars-ut`	`^Migs^ I'd be surprised if anyone you know has heard about that story`
`16:59.14`	`lars-ut`	`Here's another: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1124assaults.html`
`16:59.15`	`brac`	`[Assaults on border agents double in '05]`
`16:59.28`	`lars-ut`	`nothing to see here, move along`
`17:00.15`	`harleypig`	`levi: Yet Another Perl Conference`
`17:00.55`	`^Migs^`	`why do you seem to think there's some sort of mass conspiracy?`
`17:01.04`	`^Migs^`	`particularly since these are being reported in POPULAR NEWSPAPERS?`
`17:01.10`	`lars-ut`	`conspiracy?`
`17:01.12`	`harleypig`	`lars-ut: Yeah, I wish there was a media outlet that we could trust that didn't focus on the same old thing.`
`17:01.36`	`harleypig`	`^Migs^: Not a conspiracy, but they aren't being emphasized by the media.`
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`17:02.00`	`^Migs^`	`what evidence do you have to support this, harleypig?`
`17:02.42`	`harleypig`	`What is on the front page of any section of any of these news papers? Where are you finding these articles in media outlets?`
`17:03.08`	`lars-ut`	`I'm guessing none of those stories made it to TV`
`17:03.10`	`harleypig`	`The only way you find these articles is if you read everything a outlet produces.`
`17:03.28`	`harleypig`	`And they don't even make soundbites on tv`
`17:03.52`	`harleypig`	`The only way I've heard about most of these stories is word of mouth.`
`17:04.03`	`^Migs^`	`media reporting is a tough job. You have to decide what should go on the front pages and stuff. I don't see any problem here.`
`17:04.13`	`lars-ut`	`wow.`
`17:04.21`	`findlay`	`yeah, I bet if I looked everywhere, nobody would be reporting that I'm doing my laundry this weekend`
`17:05.03`	`harleypig`	`I agree. It's a tough job. But the decisions being made are based on sensationalism, not journalism.`
`17:06.47`	`findlay`	`harleypig: link?`
`17:06.57`	`^Migs^`	`I think most people really don't care. Officers get attacked every day.`
`17:07.06`	`harleypig`	`findlay: for what?`
`17:07.14`	`tensai`	`findlay: I'm intrigued. do you have any plans for listening to music while you work? are you doing whites or colors first?`
`17:07.15`	`findlay`	`YAPC::Utah`
`17:07.38`	`harleypig`	`None ... I've been thinking about it off and on for the last few years.`
`17:08.03`	`^Migs^`	`STOP THE PRESSES!!!!!`
`17:08.40`	`findlay`	`tensai: well I may end up listening to some music, good old tunes like Beethoven or Mussorsky, but I'll probably end up just reading some Sherlock Holmes`
`17:08.50`	`lars-ut`	`polarization of political parites has alienated the many Americans. If you claim membership or sympathies to one of the repdem parties, current villification dismisses your view from the other side almost instantly.`
`17:09.17`	`findlay`	`I think I'll be doing whites first`
`17:09.24`	`harleypig`	`lars-ut: did you make that up on the spot, or did you run it through a 'big-word'ifier?`
`17:09.37`	`harleypig`	`I like it, don't get me wrong ...`
`17:09.37`	`lars-ut`	`nah, if you look close`
`17:09.39`	`harleypig`	`:]`
`17:09.40`	`findlay`	`no autographs, please, at least until you ask really nicely`
`17:09.52`	`lars-ut`	`you'll see that I messed up when changing my wording`
`17:09.52`	`^Migs^`	`if you look close, it's nonsense`
`17:10.15`	`tensai`	`lars-ut: you should write corporate press releases`
`17:10.26`	`lars-ut`	`lol`
`17:10.33`	`harleypig`	`Except that it's not nonsense ... at least the part after the ellipses.`
`17:10.37`	`findlay`	`use text::big-word-ifier;`
`17:10.48`	`harleypig`	`heh`
`17:11.01`	`harleypig`	`that would have to be use text::big_word_ifier though`
`17:11.26`	`findlay`	`oh, I forgot - isn't a word character`
`17:15.32`	`findlay`	`ibot wants one too`
`17:16.01`	`herlo`	`ibot: findlay is also asking too much of you`
`17:16.03`	`ibot`	`okay, herlo`
`17:16.41`	`herlo`	`~findlay`
`17:16.42`	`ibot`	`[findlay] wanting a SuSE-10.0 rock, or ibot is wierd, or asking too much of you`
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`17:23.42`	`harleypig`	`Y'know ... I just noticed something. Mt Dew Code Red looks sort of like a watered down Shirley Temple.`
`17:24.06`	`^Migs^`	`is Mt Dew Livewire around still?`
`17:24.16`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: I just subscribed & posted to campaign@pashdown.org mailing list - I'll let you know what I find out`
`17:24.39`	`herlo`	`I think I am on that list, if not, I'll join...`
`17:24.40`	`^Migs^`	`I heard something about it not being sold here in the Ogden Area, because the Pepsi plant here specifically had a controversy with producing both Sunkist and Livewire products`
`17:24.43`	`herlo`	`thanx lars-ut`
`17:24.47`	`harleypig`	`Not that I've been able to find ... it must not have been successful, at least around here.`
`17:24.47`	`lars-ut`	`np`
`17:24.49`	`^Migs^`	`not sure how true that is, though`
`17:25.02`	`^Migs^`	`no, it was immensely successful. I think there's something else going on.`
`17:25.29`	`elg`	`how does a soft drink look like an actress?`
`17:25.43`	`harleypig`	`err ... how?`
`17:26.17`	`^Migs^`	`you know, if you mark enough things as "I don't like it" on Pandora, eventually you can create a customized radio station that works just like you actually had the music with a randomly shuffling playlist`
`17:26.27`	`levi`	`elg: When the soft drink is in an actress-shaped bottle?`
`17:27.22`	`elg`	`perhaps you meant http://www.songlyricscollection.com/lyrics/c/code-red/crimson/crimson.jpg`
`17:27.54`	`harleypig`	`^Migs^: And if you mark enough things as "I like it" you'll never hear the same song twice!`
`17:31.12`	`harleypig`	`woops ... didn't mean to include the link.`
`17:31.25`	`harleypig`	`stoopid postpone script.`
`17:31.35`	`harleypig`	`Needless to say, when the parrots all start squawking a different song, it might be time to pay attention`
`17:31.47`	`harleypig`	`at least I can post the message without the link this time.`
`17:40.59`	`tensai`	`~lart my broken computer`
`17:41.12`	`tensai`	`~lart tensai's slow new computer`
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`17:46.01`	`^Migs^`	`wtf, I'm listening to symphonic metal, and pandora suddenly starts playing Brittany Spears`
`17:49.01`	`goozbach`	`^Migs^: isn't that great!`
`17:49.20`	`harleypig`	`:D`
`17:49.25`	`QBFreak`	`it hates you`
`17:49.32`	`QBFreak`	`and is trying to drive you to suicide`
`17:49.47`	`lars-ut`	`tensai: what OS is it running right now?`
`17:52.37`	`tensai`	`lars-ut: Debian`
`17:53.21`	`tensai`	`lars-ut: I went one day using my XP box and Outlook drove me insane. I cobbled together a P3 500mhz w/ a 4GB hard drive and I have to admit, it's better than using Outlook.`
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`17:54.34`	`lars-ut`	`tensai: this is the slow box?`
`17:54.52`	`tensai`	`yeah. the broken one is an athlon 2600+`
`17:55.00`	`findlay`	`I wish fedora could be installed in a chroot`
`17:55.08`	`tensai`	`hard drive and ram took a dump at the same time`
`17:55.22`	`tensai`	`I'm suspecting power had something to do with it`
`17:56.35`	`lars-ut`	`tensai: ouch. You can likely get a 20GB drive with better access times from Jason @ TAMS (226-4460) for $5-10, or buy a new hard drive`
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`17:57.41`	`lars-ut`	`tensai: damn small will fly on that rig as well if you're just using the P3 as an interim solution`
`17:58.40`	`tensai`	`we'll see how long it lasts. I also need a new laptop so I'm hoping to con my way into a sweet desktop replacement.`
`17:58.57`	`lars-ut`	`nice`
`18:00.07`	`lars-ut`	`you're here?`
`18:00.10`	`lars-ut`	`~frak`
`18:00.12`	`ibot`	`from memory, frak is a fictional curseword from Battlestar Galactica: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_expletives#F, or a 1980s computer game originally programmed by Orlando for the BBC Micro and Acorn Electron which was later ported to the Commodore 64. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frak`
`18:00.27`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: Sorry I never read it`
`18:00.33`	`lars-ut`	`I'll get it back to you`
`18:00.38`	`herlo`	`~rlart`
`18:00.54`	`lars-ut`	`poor findlay, innocent bystander`
`18:01.10`	`herlo`	`~fish lars-ut`
`18:01.12`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps lars-ut around with a large trout`
`18:01.16`	`tensai`	`bystander, maybe. innocent, I doubt`
`18:01.24`	`herlo`	`tensai: agreed`
`18:01.45`	`herlo`	`lars-ut never reads anything that herlo gives him....`
`18:01.49`	`lars-ut`	`~WinME herlo`
`18:01.59`	`herlo`	`~pimpslap lars-ut`
`18:02.00`	`ibot`	`herlo pimpslaps lars-ut. ouch!`
`18:02.01`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: except Linux Journal`
`18:02.14`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: that's true`
`18:02.24`	`lars-ut`	`and rules to board games`
`18:02.29`	`lars-ut`	`and email`
`18:02.34`	`lars-ut`	`and IRC`
`18:02.35`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: but I read your B4L book cover to cover before you even cracked it`
`18:02.37`	`lars-ut`	`and IMs`
`18:02.45`	`lars-ut`	`true, that.`
`18:02.48`	`herlo`	`excuses excuses`
`18:03.11`	`lars-ut`	`how many pounds have you lost now?`
`18:03.38`	`herlo`	`ibot: lars-ut is unaware of the shame being brought upon his family`
`18:03.40`	`ibot`	`...but lars-ut is already something else...`
`18:03.49`	`herlo`	`ibot: lars-ut is also unaware of the shame being brought upon his family`
`18:03.51`	`ibot`	`herlo: okay`
`18:03.55`	`herlo`	`~lars-ut`
`18:03.57`	`ibot`	`methinks lars-ut is the SoftwareFor.org project manager, and UVLUG co-founder and trustee. http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memberpages:lars_rasmussen, or unaware of the shame being brought upon his family`
`18:05.02`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: I still like ya man, even if you can spell and I can't`
`18:05.32`	`lars-ut`	`~lars-ut`
`18:05.33`	`ibot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, lars-ut is the SoftwareFor.org project manager, and UVLUG co-founder and trustee. http://uvlug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=memberpages:lars_rasmussen`
`18:05.50`	`herlo`	`ibot: lars-ut is also unaware of the shame being brought upon his family`
`18:05.51`	`ibot`	`cannot alter locked factoids, herlo`
`18:05.59`	`herlo`	`fracker`
`18:06.03`	`lars-ut`	`lol`
`18:06.30`	`elg`	`sigh, I have to do my parallel programming labs now instead of my dsp project`
`18:06.42`	`lars-ut`	`~emulate gir`
`18:06.43`	`ibot`	`i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes.`
`18:07.29`	`herlo`	`~lart lars-ut for locking his frackin factoid`
`18:07.44`	`herlo`	`poor lars-ut`
`18:08.16`	`lars-ut`	`http://www.tlm-project.org/public/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-2.3.iso.torrent`
`18:09.03`	`elg`	`-lart emcnabb`
`18:12.43`	`herlo`	`ooh, emcnabb, I think you might be in trouble, I once had a run in with Dr Dre. I almost didn't live, spent 6yrs in the hospital`
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`18:22.05`	`^Migs^`	`http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/28/cleared.killed.ap/index.html`
`18:22.07`	`brac`	`[CNN.com - Cleared by DNA, he's killed by traffic - Apr 28, 2006]`
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`18:22.35`	`^Migs^`	`man, it REALLY sucks to be that guy`
`18:43.46`	`elg`	`it did anyway`
`18:52.59`	`findlay`	`sweet! I made rlart. What am I going to do with my life now?`
`18:53.55`	`findlay`	`I may go to Disneyland, I guess`
`19:15.33`	`^Migs^`	`this is so sweet. In a couple weeks we're getting dual-core 3.4Ghz processors with 4GB ram`
`19:15.47`	`QBFreak`	`for me right?`
`19:15.48`	`^Migs^`	`2 160 GB HDDs in each`
`19:15.55`	`^Migs^`	`dual-head video cards`
`19:16.10`	`QBFreak`	`my desktop at Kodak had a dual-head card, it was awesome`
`19:16.10`	`Jayce^`	`mmm, costco ice-cream bar.....`
`19:16.54`	`^Migs^`	`all we need now are dual 23" LCDs`
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`19:30.15`	`^Migs^`	`I need to watch Kung Fu Hustle again`
`19:30.19`	`^Migs^`	`that movie is so sw8`
`19:32.24`	`^Migs^`	`JackieChan--; StephenChow++;`
`19:32.43`	`Ash`	`^Migs^: it is also fun to watch some of the TV cuts of 'Shaolin Soccer'`
`19:32.50`	`Ash`	`the dubbed version is completely bizarre`
`19:32.50`	`^Migs^`	`TV cuts?`
`19:33.00`	`^Migs^`	`oh, I wouldn't watch the dubbed version of either of those`
`19:33.16`	`Ash`	`well, I have the subtitled USA and chinese versions on DVD`
`19:33.23`	`^Migs^`	`I need to get those`
`19:33.24`	`Ash`	`I just happened to see it on HBO or something one time, dubbed`
`19:33.26`	`Ash`	`and it was hilarious`
`19:33.28`	`^Migs^`	`Shaolin Soccer is sw8, too`
`19:33.40`	`^Migs^`	`yeah, but not hilarious in its own right, necessarily`
`19:33.41`	`Ash`	`plus they re-edited the movie so it was slightly different`
`19:34.05`	`^Migs^`	`any dubbed movie can be hilarious just on virtue of it being dubbed. The movies, as I see it, stand on their own merit.`
`19:38.33`	`^Migs^`	`http://ash.youaremighty.com/`
`19:38.35`	`brac`	`[Aninote.com - Ash you are mighty]`
`19:47.22`	`^Migs^`	`so has Sons and Daughters been cancelled, or what?`
`19:53.19`	`Ash`	`Sons and Daughters?`
`19:53.24`	`^Migs^`	`I have an interesting question. Is there a way I could get a high-speed connection that everyone in my little cul-de-sac could share through wireless?`
`19:53.28`	`^Migs^`	`or is that unrealistic?`
`19:53.30`	`^Migs^`	`ABC show`
`19:54.16`	`^Migs^`	`would one cable connection be sufficient for that? Is there a way to chain together two broadband connections or something? Can a wireless network between houses be set up with signal strengtheners? Is any of this even affordable?`
`19:56.58`	`Ash`	`^Migs^: you can do mesh networking, or use access points as repeaters`
`19:57.11`	`Ash`	`the access-points-as-repeaters works fine provided you have decent APs`
`19:57.24`	`Ash`	`that'd be something that you could set up if you had, say, a UTOPIA connection ;)`
`20:06.24`	`EC1`	`last time I asked (over a year ago) someone said they had issues`
`20:07.54`	`Ash`	`beats me`
`20:08.22`	`Ash`	`^Migs^: as far as sharing your wireless, it just depends on what your neighbors want`
`20:08.35`	`Ash`	`if they are non-technical, it won't work unless you are a sucker for working on people's networks for free`
`20:08.56`	`EC1`	`For cable, you might as well share it since your neighbors usage affects your speeds.`
`20:09.42`	`^Migs^`	`okay`
`20:09.52`	`Ash`	`I quit paying for cable since there are 7 open wireless networks available from my living room`
`20:10.08`	`^Migs^`	`well, there's several open wireless networks where I am too`
`20:10.13`	`^Migs^`	`well, only two`
`20:10.14`	`Ash`	`and they all had the same cox cable connection as me`
`20:10.14`	`Ash`	`so`
`20:10.16`	`^Migs^`	`crap, 7? do you live in an apartment?`
`20:10.22`	`Ash`	`^Migs^: a condo`
`20:10.30`	`^Migs^`	`that's what prompted this idea. If we could each only pay, say, $10 a month, it'd be nice`
`20:10.35`	`Ash`	`also my ibook has totally rad wireless range`
`20:10.59`	`^Migs^`	`but the question is does either Qwest or Comcast have any sufficient for this?`
`20:11.24`	`^Migs^`	`I think if, say, I connected four houses, I'd need between 8-12 Mbps down, 1-2 Mbps up`
`20:11.30`	`^Migs^`	`maybe`
`20:11.35`	`^Migs^`	`maybe not that much up`
`20:11.59`	`obfuscated`	`Comcast offers 8 mbps`
`20:12.17`	`^Migs^`	`yeah, I was looking at that`
`20:12.32`	`^Migs^`	`even if I had a LAN party some nights, would that be enough?`
`20:12.46`	`^Migs^`	`like where we all play Guild Wars? Would everyone in the sac start suffering?`
`20:12.54`	`Jayce^`	`oh yeah.. but their TOS says you can't do it`
`20:13.02`	`^Migs^`	`Comcast does?`
`20:13.07`	`obfuscated`	`yeah - it's definitely against their TOS`
`20:13.15`	`^Migs^`	`what about Qwest?`
`20:13.19`	`obfuscated`	`as is everything else you do in a home network`
`20:13.26`	`^Migs^`	`well wtf`
`20:13.39`	`obfuscated`	`Qwest all depends on your ISP I think`
`20:13.41`	`^Migs^`	`as far as they're concerned, I'm just some guy who likes to leave his wireless network open`
`20:13.53`	`^Migs^`	`Qwest is basically the ISP`
`20:14.16`	`obfuscated`	`you can use Qwest with XMISSION and I think that would work`
`20:14.23`	`^Migs^`	`how would that help?`
`20:14.28`	`^Migs^`	`what would tacking on Xmission do for me?`
`20:14.34`	`^Migs^`	`I never quite understood that`
`20:14.46`	`obfuscated`	`XMission would be your ISP and QWest only the provider`
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`20:14.54`	`Ash`	`^Migs^: they'd be providing your IP connectivity, so you get them managing stuff`
`20:14.59`	`obfuscated`	`yeah`
`20:15.02`	`Ash`	`which means they'll be nice to you and give you static IPs and let you run servers and such.`
`20:15.47`	`^Migs^`	`I don't see why that would really help my cause`
`20:15.55`	`Ash`	`erm`
`20:16.01`	`^Migs^`	`it would just alleviate the legal problems?`
`20:16.09`	`Ash`	`not really. they're a better provider in eneral`
`20:16.10`	`Ash`	`general`
`20:16.45`	`^Migs^`	`but it still doesn't solve some of the issues, like lack of throughput`
`20:17.05`	`^Migs^`	`Qwest only has up to 5-6 MBps down, I think. That's not enough for everyone.`
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`20:17.21`	`obfuscated`	`^Migs^: is Utopia available in your area?`
`20:17.31`	`obfuscated`	`XMission offers Utopia as well`
`20:17.51`	`tensai`	`qwest recently changed the rules. they now have a TOS which you have to follow in addition to your ISP's TOS.`
`20:18.04`	`obfuscated`	`man - that sucks`
`20:18.05`	`tensai`	`~lart qwest`
`20:18.06`	`^Migs^`	`crap no`
`20:18.13`	`obfuscated`	`Utopia all the way then`
`20:18.15`	`^Migs^`	`just you Salt Lake City areaers`
`20:18.19`	`^Migs^`	`and Brigham City and Cedar City, wtf`
`20:18.23`	`Ash`	`5/6mbps is entirely reasonable for a few people`
`20:18.30`	`^Migs^`	`how'd they get it clear up there, but not in the Ogden area?`
`20:18.44`	`obfuscated`	`man, to lart Qwest and Comcast, I would pay $40 more a month in taxes for that`
`20:18.55`	`herlo`	`Ash: those people don't use this board imho`
`20:19.11`	`tensai`	`it makes some sense since qwest has to transport your packets from their DSLM, over their network, and into your ISP's router. it's still retarded.`
`20:19.16`	`Ash`	`herlo: er, what?`
`20:19.27`	`herlo`	`obfuscated: here, here`
`20:19.53`	`obfuscated`	`I'm not usually for gov't involvement in private entities, but I don't know of any other way to compete with the big guys`
`20:20.09`	`herlo`	`Ash: the people who think qwest is reasoable don't use thus irc channel`
`20:20.14`	`Ash`	`haha`
`20:20.18`	`^Migs^`	`could someone explain UTOPIA in plain terms?`
`20:20.56`	`herlo`	`15mbps up/down`
`20:20.58`	`obfuscated`	`^Migs^: it's a private business, paid for by local gov'ts`
`20:21.11`	`^Migs^`	`nice`
`20:21.15`	`^Migs^`	`how?`
`20:21.17`	`obfuscated`	`The gov'ts pay for them to lay the lines, etc`
`20:21.22`	`^Migs^`	`financing and stuff, gotcha`
`20:21.28`	`^Migs^`	`how does this bypass Qwest and Comcast?`
`20:21.41`	`obfuscated`	`They're no longer using Qwest or Comcast's lines that way`
`20:21.44`	`^Migs^`	`gotcha`
`20:21.48`	`^Migs^`	`thanks`
`20:21.49`	`obfuscated`	`pure fiber if I understand right`
`20:22.06`	`obfuscated`	`which beats most of what qwest or comcast offer in this area`
`20:22.32`	`obfuscated`	`for a small guy to be able to afford laying lines like that, it can get quite expensive`
`20:22.41`	`obfuscated`	`thus hard to compete`
`20:23.09`	`^Migs^`	`I like this`
`20:23.33`	`tensai`	`man, sometimes I wish my ISP was in Utah. I'd hook all you suckers up with the sweetest wireless ever.`
`20:23.57`	`tensai`	`but we're not, so I'll just keep it all to myself`
`20:24.00`	`obfuscated`	`I wish it were more private though, and gov't would just give grants to private entities like that`
`20:24.39`	`obfuscated`	`state gov'ts and city gov'ts need XPrizes for new technologies and innovation`
`20:25.01`	`lars-ut-away`	`Anybody else want a Pete Ashdown campaign lawn sign? I just received a reply from his campaign staff. For those of you who live in SL County signs are available from 780 E South Temple.`
`20:25.10`	`obfuscated`	`lars-ut-away: I do`
`20:25.21`	`obfuscated`	`I'll have to run by there`
`20:25.43`	`^Migs^`	`how do I get Roy to join UTOPIA?`
`20:25.53`	`obfuscated`	`lars-ut: are they just laying on the lawn for the taking?`
`20:26.18`	`lars-ut`	`obfuscated: nah, that addr is the campaign headquarters`
`20:26.25`	`obfuscated`	`^Migs^: convince your Mayor to find a way to shell out the money for it`
`20:26.34`	`obfuscated`	`and expect higher taxes`
`20:26.38`	`^Migs^`	`crap, I'll pay extra taxes just for that`
`20:26.42`	`obfuscated`	`lars-ut: cool`
`20:26.56`	`obfuscated`	`^Migs^: let him/her know you're willing to then`
`20:27.19`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: too bad I'd go by tonight if they were open late`
`20:27.50`	`herlo`	`11pm or so`
`20:27.52`	`lars-ut`	`Utah County folks: Let me know if you want an Ashdown campaign sign for your lawn`
`20:28.12`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: I'll porbably be able to get them before game night`
`20:28.29`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: cool`
`20:28.29`	`lars-ut`	`I just wanted to get a count`
`20:29.02`	`herlo`	`ill take at least 5`
`20:30.10`	`herlo`	`I can put some at my family members homes`
`20:30.31`	`^Migs^`	`I haven't written to my mayor since I was doing my Eagle Scout project. It looks like I'm going to write to him now.`
`20:31.15`	`obfuscated`	`^Migs^: yeah - I know the West Jordan mayor (a friend of mine) was definitely interested in what the people had to say about that`
`20:32.24`	`herlo`	`lars-ut: http://blog.herlo.org`
`20:32.55`	`herlo`	`boardgames with college girls`
`20:33.22`	`obfuscated`	`herlo: uh, is that work safe?`
`20:33.35`	`herlo`	`yeah`
`20:33.51`	`obfuscated`	`jk`
`20:34.06`	`^Migs^`	`your site is giving me a headache`
`20:34.13`	`lars-ut`	`Nice reply from Ashdown campaign: http://f92040a6cad19961.paste.se/`
`20:34.14`	`brac`	`[peteashdownsigns]`
`20:36.00`	`^Migs^`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:36.02`	`^Migs^`	`oh, he's gone`
`20:36.11`	`*** join/#utah herlo (n=herlo@001-823-151.area1.spcsdns.net)`
`20:36.18`	`^Migs^`	`herlo, were they hot chicks?`
`20:36.25`	`herlo`	`one was`
`20:36.33`	`^Migs^`	`the other two were just meh`
`20:36.34`	`^Migs^`	`?`
`20:36.36`	`levi`	`herlo: Ow, my eyes! The colors, they hurt me!`
`20:36.42`	`herlo`	`she called herself Canasian`
`20:36.46`	`^Migs^`	`I know, what's up with those colors?`
`20:36.52`	`^Migs^`	`canadian-asian?`
`20:36.54`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: just read the blog`
`20:37.48`	`herlo`	`but if that hurts you can go to http://openclue.org/ut/ to read it`
`20:38.29`	`herlo`	`as in House md?`
`20:38.59`	`^Migs^`	`are you going to give the hot girl a call?`
`20:39.04`	`^Migs^`	`you know, get the hook up and all that?`
`20:39.11`	`*** join/#utah bonez41 (n=bonez@drjones.dsl.xmission.com)`
`20:39.12`	`herlo`	`migs: yes canadian asian`
`20:39.19`	`herlo`	`the other two weren't bad`
`20:39.39`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: yes`
`20:39.40`	`lars-ut`	`"Dr. Gregory House: I suppose "minimally at best" is your stiff upper lip British way of saying "No chance in hell"?`
`20:39.40`	`lars-ut`	`Dr. Robert Chase: Actually, I'm Australian.`
`20:39.40`	`lars-ut`	`Dr. Gregory House: You put the Queen on your money. You're British. "`
`20:39.51`	`bonez41`	`xbm`
`20:39.53`	`lars-ut`	`http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/quotes`
`20:39.55`	`brac`	`[Memorable Quotes from "House, M.D." (2004)]`
`20:39.57`	`herlo`	`migs: I think I could`
`20:40.13`	`^Migs^`	`did she leave you her number?`
`20:40.35`	`bonez41`	`xbmodder_,`
`20:40.49`	`herlo`	`migs no but they have to call me back for my gift cert`
`20:40.53`	`^Migs^`	`nice`
`20:41.00`	`^Migs^`	`hmmm`
`20:41.02`	`herlo`	`and they left in haste`
`20:41.06`	`^Migs^`	`but it really depends on which one calls you back`
`20:41.14`	`*** join/#utah RyanE (n=ryan@rberick.dsl.xmission.com)`
`20:41.16`	`herlo`	`yeahm probly`
`20:41.18`	`^Migs^`	`I say you just ask whichever one calls you back`
`20:41.46`	`levi`	`"So, could you give me the number of the cute girl in your group?"`
`20:41.46`	`^Migs^`	`you know, have a good time. Even if it's the less-hot one, maybe this'll help you get closer to the hot one, unless they're not really friends and are just together because of the assignment`
`20:41.51`	`^Migs^`	`in which case, it's a waste of time`
`20:42.09`	`herlo`	`levi: no`
`20:42.17`	`tensai`	`the guy who plays House is British`
`20:42.17`	`herlo`	`more like`
`20:42.37`	`^Migs^`	`everybody with talent is British, pretending to be American`
`20:42.53`	`herlo`	`so, I thik rachel left somerhing here, could I get her #`
`20:43.10`	`levi`	`herlo: That would have too high a chance of success.`
`20:43.24`	`^Migs^`	`that's not a bad idea`
`20:43.36`	`^Migs^`	`then you could tell her you just wanted to ask her on a date`
`20:43.40`	`herlo`	`frak, my treo I am trying to type`
`20:43.51`	`^Migs^`	`you know, it sounds stupid to us guys, but girls would go nuts for something like that. It demonstrates cleverness.`
`20:43.56`	`herlo`	`migs exactly`
`20:44.03`	`^Migs^`	`and it demonstrates a willingness to work to attract them`
`20:44.28`	`herlo`	`plane`
`20:44.36`	`herlo`	`taking`
`20:44.41`	`herlo`	`off...`
`20:44.47`	`^Migs^`	`its`
`20:45.02`	`^Migs^`	`socks`
`20:45.08`	`^Migs^`	`which`
`20:45.37`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: Have a good flight - good luck playing guess the Air Marshall`
`20:45.56`	`herlo`	`thx`
`20:46.02`	`herlo`	`adios`
`20:46.03`	`^Migs^`	`cya herlo`
`20:46.11`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: ACK`
`20:48.21`	`lars-ut`	`tensai: Have you seen Jeeves & Wooster? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Laurie`
`20:48.34`	`tensai`	`lars-ut: unforunately, yes`
`20:48.52`	`lars-ut`	`Not funny?`
`20:49.10`	`tensai`	`sometimes funny, but a little much for my tastes`
`20:49.12`	`bonez41`	`^Migs^, remember my dilemma earlier? couldn't connect to office from home...now I can't connect with ssh out to home from office....this is weird...`
`20:49.14`	`*** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@hfugal.NMSU.Edu)`
`20:49.26`	`^Migs^`	`wait`
`20:49.35`	`^Migs^`	`He's Prince George from Black Adder!?!?!?!`
`20:49.38`	`^Migs^`	`AHAHAHAHA`
`20:49.41`	`lars-ut`	`tensai: I think Laurie has great comic timing in House.`
`20:49.52`	`lars-ut`	`The writers love him`
`20:50.45`	`RyanE`	`black adder is better than jeeves & wooster, IMHO.`
`20:50.56`	`tensai`	`that's true. I stopped watching because the plots were ridiculous. every episode somebody is dying of a strange disease, House figures it out at the last minute.`
`20:51.12`	`tensai`	`RyanE: agreed`
`20:51.15`	`obfuscated`	`it's the same plot over and over`
`20:51.20`	`RyanE`	`and his 'american' accent on house is slightly grating.`
`20:51.26`	`^Migs^`	`that's the point. It's EXCITING.`
`20:51.34`	`^Migs^`	`because House is a loose cannon, everybody hates him, but they all need him because he figures stuff out.`
`20:51.38`	`obfuscated`	`It's like CSI in some ways`
`20:51.46`	`RyanE`	`but I told Paige he was british, and she didn't believe me.`
`20:51.49`	`^Migs^`	`that one time he doesn't figure something out, he's GONE`
`20:51.58`	`RyanE`	`so I then had to show her jeeves and wooster...`
`20:51.58`	`lars-ut`	`RyanE: the accent? I think he pulls it off.`
`20:52.05`	`RyanE`	`yeah, but it bugs me.`
`20:52.09`	`RyanE`	`sounds like he always has a cold`
`20:52.13`	`^Migs^`	`I just can't believe I didn't recognize him from Blackadder`
`20:52.14`	`lars-ut`	`crap.`
`20:52.23`	`lars-ut`	`RyanE: Why did you have to say that?`
`20:52.26`	`RyanE`	`geez, House, you can cure everyone else, go to a freaking ear, nose, and throat guy.`
`20:52.45`	`RyanE`	`lars-ut: sorry.`
`20:52.49`	`RyanE`	`I like to spoil it for everyone.`
`20:52.50`	`RyanE`	`:)`
`20:52.55`	`*** join/#utah nick125_ (n=nick@noc.atarack.com)`
`20:52.58`	`lars-ut`	`Now I'm gonna think that every time...`
`20:53.08`	`RyanE`	`anyone watch 'hustle', on AMC?`
`20:53.51`	`^Migs^`	`I'm going to be the "loose cannon web developer." Everyone will hate me, I'll talk back to my employers, but at the last minute I'll put up web pages.`
`20:54.49`	`lars-ut`	`tensai, RyanE: House's character seems pretty layered to me`
`20:55.10`	`lars-ut`	`rather' Laurie's character.. :)`
`20:55.34`	`lars-ut`	`and I find the show compelling as well`
`20:55.39`	`tensai`	`I would love to see Survivorman take on the red desert of wyoming. that place is barren.`
`20:55.43`	`RyanE`	`only watched one episode.`
`20:55.46`	`RyanE`	`couldn't get into it.`
`20:56.01`	`RyanE`	`Paige watched a few, but didn't 'hook' her, either.`
`20:56.12`	`*** join/#utah Kuyaedz (n=Crister@65.106.115.194.ptr.us.xo.net)`
`20:56.36`	`lars-ut`	`I've watched 3 eps of Survivorman. Sometimes the guy doesn't fare so well... case in point: Costa Rica ep`
`20:56.48`	`Kuyaedz`	`anyone have any suggestions for an ecommerce package?`
`20:58.00`	`obfuscated`	`I like modern weapons on DC`
`20:58.31`	`^Migs^`	`oscommerce is usually the most recommended`
`20:58.45`	`^Migs^`	`well, most recommended free package at least`
`20:58.59`	`obfuscated`	`Kuyaedz: we use Interchange at backcountry.com`
`20:59.05`	`lars-ut`	`s/begining/beginning`
`20:59.05`	`obfuscated`	`http://www.icdevgroup.com`
`20:59.11`	`obfuscated`	`works great`
`20:59.12`	`elg`	`Kuyaedz: check out shopify`
`20:59.19`	`obfuscated`	`and based on Perl, most importantly`
`20:59.24`	`^Migs^`	`yes, that is important`
`20:59.55`	`Kuyaedz`	`I usually work with php too. Don't know jack about perl`
`21:00.39`	`obfuscated`	`Kuyaedz: therefore, more powerful (most importantly)`
`21:00.40`	`lars-ut`	`Kuyaedz: #uphpu might help as well`
`21:00.43`	`obfuscated`	`and more flexible`
`21:01.02`	`obfuscated`	`it's actually pretty easy to use and set up once you figure it out`
`21:01.08`	`obfuscated`	`you don't really have to know much perl to use it`
`21:01.15`	`obfuscated`	`it's got it's own tag language`
`21:01.24`	`obfuscated`	`it's building new tags that you have to know perl for`
`21:01.55`	`Jayce^`	`~lart espresso jelly-bellies`
`21:01.58`	`Kuyaedz`	`I don't even need anything super amazing. Just building a very small 'gift shop' e-store for a client.`
`21:02.52`	`tensai`	`just have them email their credit card number to orders@domain.com`
`21:03.27`	`RyanE`	`yeah, now there's a great idea... :)`
`21:03.44`	`nick125_`	`haha`
`21:03.45`	`Kuyaedz`	`sounds like the crap we pull at my office.`
`21:03.48`	`RyanE`	`does anyone know of a single-item shopping-cart system? oscommerce is a bit of a stretch for selling 1 product.`
`21:03.57`	`tensai`	`not be cause we requested it, though`
`21:04.48`	`tensai`	`s/be cause/because/`
`21:09.14`	`^Migs^`	`why do you need a shopping cart if you're selling 1 item?`
`21:09.32`	`mheath_`	`Ah, ^Migs^!`
`21:09.39`	`^Migs^`	`zomg mheath!!!!!!!!!!!`
`21:09.53`	`^Migs^`	`whatcha doin? Being awesome?`
`21:10.11`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, is there ANY chance the district level techs could be talked into hosting a Sun Blade100 for a teacher at their datacenter?`
`21:10.12`	`^Migs^`	`why is there a bonez39 and a bonez41?`
`21:10.21`	`^Migs^`	`why?`
`21:10.30`	`mheath_`	`Administrated by the teacher, but secure, and abiding by the WSU district acceptable use policy`
`21:10.58`	`^Migs^`	`again, why?`
`21:11.01`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, WSU pawned off a used sun blade100 on us as a 'reward' at this robocode tournament`
`21:11.09`	`^Migs^`	`each teacher already has a page on wsdstaff.net`
`21:11.12`	`mheath_`	`This teacher wants to use it as a better server for his web development class`
`21:11.27`	`mheath_`	`And also for the students to get an exposure to alternative operating systems and hosts`
`21:11.43`	`^Migs^`	`actually, that's not a bad idea`
`21:11.48`	`^Migs^`	`have your teacher call Dave Brooks`
`21:12.01`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, You == Dave Brooks?`
`21:12.11`	`*** join/#utah sjansen (n=sjansen@67.40.181.170)`
`21:12.22`	`sjansen`	`~rlart`
`21:12.47`	`sjansen`	`What happened to larting people like elg or Jayce^ ?`
`21:12.57`	`Jayce^`	`we lart back`
`21:12.58`	`elg`	`~rlart`
`21:13.05`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, we have a programming class for Java too. I think he'd like it (since it so conveniently runs Solaris) to provide a host for J2EE stuff too`
`21:13.08`	`sjansen`	`ibot: no botsnack for you until you lart people I want to lart`
`21:13.08`	`ibot`	`sjansen: aw, gee`
`21:13.15`	`mheath_`	`argh!`
`21:13.27`	`mheath_`	`Someones convinced that I suck at web development because he couldn't extract a zip correctly`
`21:13.35`	`mheath_`	`I give him a zip with a website design`
`21:13.38`	`Jayce^`	`anybody here know if there is some paramter you can pass to a mediawiki site that'll make it just return the formatted content to the page (not all the template around it)`
`21:13.45`	`mheath_`	`He just extracts the .html, not the .css or images =\`
`21:13.52`	`mheath_`	`"I just see text..."`
`21:14.27`	`^Migs^`	`heh`
`21:14.36`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, You == Dave Brooks?`
`21:14.42`	`^Migs^`	`no`
`21:14.44`	`sjansen`	`~lart Jayce^ , amcnabb, brac, elg, emcnabb, goozbach, maquis & tensai`
`21:14.48`	`^Migs^`	`Dave Brookes is the director`
`21:14.49`	`sjansen`	`Anybody feeling left out?`
`21:14.52`	`^Migs^`	`*Brooks`
`21:15.02`	`^Migs^`	`he'll need to okay it.`
`21:15.09`	`^Migs^`	`what do they normally do for a web development server?`
`21:15.12`	`amcnabb`	`sjansen, I'm good.`
`21:15.24`	`elg`	`"I see text people"`
`21:16.16`	`Jayce^`	`elg, aalib? :)`
`21:17.02`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, a horrible account on wsdstaff.net`
`21:17.03`	`^Migs^`	`does he want this for the next school year or something?`
`21:17.09`	`^Migs^`	`why's it horrible?`
`21:17.19`	`mheath_`	`Everyone shares a login name/password, we just have our own folders`
`21:17.27`	`mheath_`	`meaning anyone could go in and delete anyone elses files`
`21:17.37`	`^Migs^`	`and it probably happens, too`
`21:17.41`	`mheath_`	`And they have the links set up all funky`
`21:17.47`	`mheath_`	`So its like........`
`21:18.11`	`mheath_`	`http://www.wsdstaff.net/~abrough/web/bhswebst/public_html/advance/student_name`
`21:18.14`	`mheath_`	`kinda silly`
`21:18.42`	`^Migs^`	`why'd he set it up like that?`
`21:18.48`	`mheath_`	`I dunno.`
`21:18.50`	`^Migs^`	`that's his doing, not ours`
`21:18.56`	`mheath_`	`Whos?`
`21:19.05`	`^Migs^`	`your teacher`
`21:19.07`	`mheath_`	`Not the teachers`
`21:19.10`	`mheath_`	`He only has FTP access to that server`
`21:19.27`	`mheath_`	`he can't set up symbolic links to other users directories from FTP`
`21:19.37`	`^Migs^`	`that's not a bad idea, really. A separate server could be set up for all the web development classes in the district`
`21:20.03`	`^Migs^`	`that would be more appropriate, rather than just a server for his class alone.`
`21:20.08`	`mheath_`	`^Migs^, We'd donate the hardware, too. I could get things setup for you....I'm guessing no one there has had anything to do with Solaris.`
`21:20.14`	`^Migs^`	`Have him call Dave Brooks.`
`21:20.18`	`^Migs^`	`quite a few have, actually`
`21:20.27`	`mheath_`	`I've been configuring the server for my teacher`
`21:20.30`	`^Migs^`	`we don't normally use it, though`
`21:20.37`	`mheath_`	`His plan as of right now is to just host it at his house`
`21:20.45`	`^Migs^`	`not that I'm aware of, at least`
`21:21.01`	`^Migs^`	`http://mike.heath.youaremighty.com/`
`21:21.02`	`brac`	`[Aninote.com - Mike Heath you are mighty]`
`21:21.29`	`harleypig`	`anyone familiar with the bittorrent btlaunchmanycurses client and can give me some python help?`
`21:22.52`	`Jayce^`	`can't give the python help`
`21:22.54`	`elg`	`harleypig: i've used the former once or twice`
`21:22.57`	`Jayce^`	`but I use that extensively`
`21:23.10`	`Jayce^`	`although switched to bittornado`
`21:23.15`	`Jayce^`	`same interface though`
`21:23.54`	`sjansen`	`~lart harleypig for kicks`
`21:23.59`	`sjansen`	`ha!`
`21:24.07`	`harleypig`	`heh`
`21:25.45`	`findlay`	`the interesting part is that harleypig might take that as an idea`
`21:26.15`	`harleypig`	`Yeah, I could sell a life sized adult doll of me ... :>`
`21:27.09`	`^Migs^`	`I'd throw it off overhead ramps at incoming traffic`
`21:27.17`	`*** part/#utah Kuyaedz (n=Crister@65.106.115.194.ptr.us.xo.net)`
`21:28.31`	`^Migs^`	`mheath_: Mr. Brough teaches the good stuff. I wish they taught VB and Java, or any web design really, when I was in high school.`
`21:28.35`	`Jayce^`	`http://www.buzzpatrol.com/news/bizarre/real-life-super-mario-004282.php`
`21:28.36`	`brac`	`[Real Life Super Mario \| Buzz Patrol]`
`21:28.46`	`^Migs^`	`the highest programming language they taught, I think, was BASIC.`
`21:28.52`	`mheath_`	`Sigh`
`21:28.55`	`^Migs^`	`rather pathetic. But that was the Ogden School District.`
`21:29.01`	`mheath_`	`I wish I could have some feedback about this website`
`21:29.03`	`mheath_`	`I'd have that by now`
`21:29.10`	`mheath_`	`if I didn't have to step this guy through extracting a .zip file`
`21:29.34`	`tensai`	`wow. great story from my boss.`
`21:29.39`	`^Migs^`	`uh oh`
`21:30.16`	`tensai`	`he's at walmart and sees some 40GB usb hard drives for $115 on the clearance table. thinks that's a little much, so he looks over in electronics and sees 80GB usb drives for $90.`
`21:30.45`	`tensai`	`so he questions the nearest peon who tells him, "The pricing of $115 is correct because we are discontinuing that product and we are trying to get rid of those units".`
`21:31.12`	`harleypig`	`Someone doesn't understand basics.`
`21:31.19`	`tensai`	`talks to the manager who agrees that it's ridiculous, but can't do anything about it. she recommends he buy the $90 drive.`
`21:31.34`	`^Migs^`	`no, $90 is still too much`
`21:31.46`	`^Migs^`	`tigerdirect is selling a 250GB drive for $80`
`21:31.48`	`levi`	`Perhaps they were originally a lot more than $115 when they were stocked?`
`21:32.00`	`^Migs^`	`well, with a rebate`
`21:32.11`	`^Migs^`	`you just get that, and a USB enclosure`
`21:32.36`	`^Migs^`	`same thing. Except often with already put together USB drives they have a power cable, for whatever reason. USB enclosures don't.`
`21:32.39`	`^Migs^`	`or do they?`
`21:32.45`	`^Migs^`	`I can't remember`
`21:32.51`	`^Migs^`	`have FUN at work, mheath_`
`21:33.02`	`mheath_`	`I get to cook on Monday`
`21:33.07`	`mheath_`	`thats going to be a nightmare -.-`
`21:33.10`	`tensai`	`well possibly, but nobody who was aware of both would make that stupid of a decision`
`21:33.13`	`mheath_`	`May 1st, the mexican strike`
`21:33.16`	`mheath_`	`all of our cooks are mexican`
`21:33.27`	`^Migs^`	`Mexicans make good cooks`
`21:33.29`	`mheath_`	`anyway`
`21:33.50`	`^Migs^`	`my wife's family is Mexican. GREAT food.`
`21:34.12`	`obfuscated`	`Thai cooks - now those are good`
`21:34.23`	`^Migs^`	`yeah`
`21:34.32`	`tensai`	`obfuscated: never eaten one before. how do they taste?`
`21:34.41`	`lars-ut-away`	`Italian cooks...`
`21:34.41`	`RyanE`	`I though that was 5 de maio, not 1st de maio...`
`21:34.42`	`obfuscated`	`tensai: a little salty`
`21:34.47`	`obfuscated`	`with some spice`
`21:35.10`	`obfuscated`	`mheath_: are they legal?`
`21:35.25`	`findlay`	`~frost tensai`
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`21:37.19`	`obfuscated`	`legal, as in legal aliens`
`21:37.27`	`lars-ut`	`got it.`
`21:38.03`	`obfuscated`	`any business that loses out from Monday's strike because they hire illegals has no right to complain`
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`21:38.19`	`tensai`	`mmm, rendered beef fat and sugar...`
`21:38.41`	`lars-ut`	`vertex shaders?`
`21:38.49`	`lars-ut`	`t&l?`
`21:40.18`	`bonez41`	`ping please...to 'fyrenice.com'`
`21:40.31`	`bonez41`	`just curious what ping reports to others away from my server`
`21:42.42`	`tensai`	`4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2999ms`
`21:43.44`	`levi`	`I can't ping it either.`
`21:45.35`	`findlay`	`bonez41: what are your iptables like?`
`22:11.13`	`lars-ut`	`I'm going to http://www.ladolcevitaprovo.com/ for dinner - suggestions?`
`22:11.14`	`brac`	`[LA DOLCE VITA RISTORANTE ITALIANO - \|\| About Us \|\|]`
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`22:13.34`	`lars-ut`	`herlo: layover?`
`22:13.54`	`herlo`	`atlanta 1hr`
`22:14.17`	`herlo`	`get home midnight`
`22:14.18`	`lars-ut`	`Atlanta - that place is huge`
`22:14.25`	`lars-ut`	`yikes.`
`22:14.38`	`herlo`	`yeah, but easy to maneuver`
`22:14.54`	`lars-ut`	`how's the repetitive stress coming along?`
`22:14.57`	`herlo`	`trains are nicw`
`22:15.15`	`lars-ut`	`w/the itsy bitsy keyboard`
`22:15.16`	`herlo`	`getting better`
`22:15.44`	`herlo`	`practice practice`
`22:16.20`	`RyanE`	`lars-ut: Calzone.`
`22:16.25`	`RyanE`	`Mmmm.m`
`22:17.50`	`herlo`	`fracker RyanE`
`22:18.11`	`herlo`	`but I bet u are losing`
`22:18.38`	`herlo`	`no weight`
`22:18.39`	`herlo`	`tehe`
`22:19.03`	`bonez41`	`findlay, I have no idea what my iptables are like..I have never fiddled with them....`
`22:19.22`	`RyanE`	`herlo: yeah, but what's your point?`
`22:19.29`	`bonez41`	`findlay, all I know is that a week ago, I could ssh to my linux box here...which has port 22 forwarded to it..and now, I can't access it.....`
`22:19.45`	`bonez41`	`findlay, I run nmap -P0 fyrenice.com and that works..`
`22:22.51`	`findlay`	`bonez41: ok, this is what you need to do to find out what is going on`
`22:23.23`	`findlay`	`first of all, from a remote machine do 'telnet firenice.com 22'`
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`22:29.00`	`herlo`	`RyanE: my point is u better shape up if u want ur prizes`
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`22:32.06`	`bonez41`	`findlay, I did that and it opened a telnet window...this is from a win98se machine..and said Protocol Mismatch....`
`22:32.25`	`bonez41`	`findlay, abut it identified the machine.....so is that good, or bad?`
`22:32.30`	`herlo`	`for thw most part`
`22:32.34`	`findlay`	`bonez41: do you have a linux box to try it on?`
`22:33.53`	`bonez41`	`findlay, only linux box here is the one I am currently on....`
`22:34.09`	`bonez41`	`I COULD ssh to my home linux box and then try it backward...but would that even count?`
`22:34.22`	`findlay`	`yeah, try that`
`22:35.58`	`bonez41`	`ok....`
`22:36.41`	`bonez41`	`findlay, I get this: scott@zugraum:~$ telnet fyrenice.com 22`
`22:36.41`	`bonez41`	`Trying 166.70.243.110...`
`22:36.41`	`bonez41`	`Connected to drjones.dsl.xmission.com.`
`22:36.41`	`bonez41`	`Escape character is '^]'.`
`22:36.42`	`bonez41`	`SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.`
`22:36.48`	`bonez41`	`it's sitting there.....waiting...`
`22:36.59`	`bonez41`	`Protocol mismatch.`
`22:36.59`	`bonez41`	`Connection closed by foreign host.`
`22:36.59`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~$`
`22:37.04`	`bonez41`	`I hit Enter and get the rest there`
`22:37.19`	`findlay`	`what does it say if you ssh in?`
`22:39.05`	`bonez41`	`findlay, it responds with another Password: prompt`
`22:39.15`	`findlay`	`can you log in?`
`22:39.24`	`bonez41`	`despite this, I can ssh to that machine, clearly.....no, I can't remotely log in here....`
`22:39.53`	`findlay`	`can you log into your work machine from your home machine?`
`22:39.54`	`bonez41`	`ping from that machine to here...does not work...it gets the IP resolved with dns, but it won't ping and reply`
`22:40.17`	`bonez41`	`no, I can't log in to work from home..I am at work and can and AM logged in to home machine from work though`
`22:40.24`	`findlay`	`ping may probably be a different matter altogether, let's just look at ssh for the moment`
`22:40.31`	`bonez41`	`ok...ssh for now`
`22:41.02`	`findlay`	`what does it say after you enter the password when sshing from your home machine?`
`22:42.11`	`bonez41`	`it just diplays another "Password:" and then cursor...three times, then I am out..then back to normal prompt..`
`22:42.26`	`findlay`	`interesting`
`22:42.49`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~$ ssh fyrenice.com`
`22:42.49`	`bonez41`	`Password:`
`22:42.49`	`bonez41`	`Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).`
`22:42.49`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~$`
`22:42.52`	`bonez41`	`that's the complete session`
`22:43.03`	`bonez41`	`I enter the password....three times, then it gives that message`
`22:43.10`	`findlay`	`do you have any ssh keys?`
`22:43.18`	`tensai`	`you really need to see what the server says in syslog. ssh has pretty good error messages.`
`22:43.34`	`findlay`	`/var/log/ssh`
`22:43.48`	`bonez41`	`here's the thing..at one point i had ssh keys that worked from home to work and work to home, for now, ssh work > home works..no password required...but I was having trouble with ssh home > work, requiring the password...`
`22:44.09`	`findlay`	`do you have any passwords on your keys?`
`22:44.51`	`findlay`	`it looks like it wants a password on your private key but you're entering the wrong password`
`22:45.35`	`bonez41`	`no passwords in the keys or phrase..I set up the ssh keys so that I could log in without sending a password over the net....`
`22:46.10`	`findlay`	`do you remember how you set up the keys?`
`22:46.11`	`bonez41`	`in the past...when it required a password, I entered my user password and that worked and logged me in.....`
`22:46.26`	`bonez41`	`yeah....I have the script for how the keys were set up.....`
`22:46.45`	`findlay`	`script?`
`22:47.14`	`bonez41`	`help from someone else ...that sent me a few commands to set up my keys......`
`22:47.50`	`bonez41`	`findlay, I could paste that info, in #flood ...`
`22:49.14`	`findlay`	`first try this on your work machine: 'ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/<your_private_keyfile>'`
`22:49.49`	`bonez41`	`fyrenice:/home/scott/.ssh# ls`
`22:49.49`	`bonez41`	`authorized_keys id_dsa id_dsa.pub known_hosts`
`22:50.08`	`bonez41`	`so, for the your_private....I replace that with the "authorized_keys"? correct?`
`22:50.17`	`findlay`	`no, I'm wrong`
`22:50.26`	`findlay`	`do that on your home machine`
`22:50.34`	`bonez41`	`ok, ssh to it and then run that ... ok`
`22:50.47`	`findlay`	`'ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_dsa'`
`22:51.48`	`bonez41`	`it tells me I have too many arguments...`
`22:51.57`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~/.ssh$ ssh-keygen -p id_dsa`
`22:52.16`	`bonez41`	`I run that..and it tells me scott@zugraum:~/.ssh$ ssh-keygen -p id_dsa`
`22:52.16`	`bonez41`	`Too many arguments.`
`22:52.21`	`findlay`	`'ssh-keygen -p -f ~/.ssh/id_dsa'`
`22:52.22`	`findlay`	`sorry`
`22:52.25`	`bonez41`	`ok..`
`22:52.42`	`bonez41`	`wants a passphrase now.....`
`22:52.54`	`findlay`	`that means the key is password protected`
`22:52.55`	`bonez41`	`I think I don't want one, right? to allow password-less logging`
`22:53.08`	`findlay`	`it wants your old passphrase`
`22:53.18`	`bonez41`	`it's asking for New passphrase`
`22:53.23`	`findlay`	`oh`
`22:53.26`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~/.ssh$ ssh-keygen -p -f id_dsa`
`22:53.26`	`bonez41`	`Key has comment 'id_dsa'`
`22:53.26`	`bonez41`	`Enter new passphrase (empty for no passphrase):`
`22:53.42`	`bonez41`	`Enter new passphrase (empty for no passphrase):`
`22:53.42`	`bonez41`	`Enter same passphrase again:`
`22:53.42`	`bonez41`	`Your identification has been saved with the new passphrase.`
`22:53.42`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~/.ssh$`
`22:53.48`	`bonez41`	`so I went with no passphrase....`
`22:54.12`	`findlay`	`ok so now look into your ssh log on your server`
`22:54.14`	`bonez41`	`and I have a new id_dsa now...in ~/.ssh/`
`22:54.23`	`bonez41`	`on the home machine or here locally at work?`
`22:54.25`	`findlay`	`what do you mean?`
`22:54.46`	`bonez41`	`at home, in /home/user/.ssh/ I have a new id_dsa file which I just created with ssh-keygen`
`22:54.57`	`findlay`	`did you not have one before?`
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`22:55.13`	`bonez41`	`yeah, had one there before too, but this one replaced that one`
`22:55.20`	`findlay`	`that's not good`
`22:55.41`	`findlay`	`maybe you can re run your script to generate a new key pair`
`22:56.05`	`bonez41`	`isn't that what I JUST did, with ssh-keygen?`
`22:56.15`	`findlay`	`almost`
`22:56.29`	`bonez41`	`ok`
`22:56.34`	`findlay`	`except you have one key on each machine`
`22:57.00`	`bonez41`	`ok....I have to transfer that key to this work machine, right?`
`22:57.20`	`bonez41`	`and then cocatenate it with the current keys here....authorized_keys`
`22:57.55`	`findlay`	`you want to scp the id_dsa.pub file`
`22:58.03`	`bonez41`	`ok.....`
`22:59.05`	`bonez41`	`ok....I ran scp to grab that id_dsa.pub file from home..moved it here...to /home/scott folder..`
`22:59.20`	`bonez41`	`but it goes now in ~/.ssh/ right?`
`22:59.58`	`bonez41`	`do I replace the existing id_dsa.pub file which currently resides in ~/.ssh/ with this new one?`
`23:00.08`	`findlay`	`cat id_dsa.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`23:00.39`	`bonez41`	`ok...`
`23:00.43`	`bonez41`	`that's done`
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`23:01.13`	`bonez41`	`hi xbmodder_`
`23:01.37`	`findlay`	`on your home machine you have to do 'ssh-add'`
`23:01.38`	`xbmodder_lappy`	`did you fix your work machine?`
`23:02.14`	`bonez41`	`xbmodder_, well, I am at the work machine...working on it with findlay's help...`
`23:02.23`	`bonez41`	`findlay, I wil run that now..on home machine`
`23:02.52`	`bonez41`	`zugraum:/home/scott# ssh-add`
`23:02.52`	`bonez41`	`Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.`
`23:02.56`	`bonez41`	`that's what I get with ssh-add`
`23:03.05`	`bonez41`	`maybe that's my trouble...`
`23:03.26`	`findlay`	`'ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_dsa'`
`23:04.10`	`bonez41`	`zugraum:/home/scott# ssh-add /home/scott/.ssh/id_dsa`
`23:04.10`	`bonez41`	`Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.`
`23:04.15`	`bonez41`	`that's what it produces`
`23:06.00`	`findlay`	`try logging out of your ssh session and in again`
`23:06.39`	`findlay`	`are you user 'scott' on your home machine?`
`23:06.42`	`bonez41`	`logged out and back in again...same result..`
`23:06.48`	`bonez41`	`yeah, user name is 'scott' on home machine`
`23:07.26`	`findlay`	`try this: 'exec ssh-agent bash'`
`23:07.44`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~$ exec ssh-agent bash`
`23:07.44`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~$`
`23:07.47`	`bonez41`	`just a prompt`
`23:08.07`	`bonez41`	`scott@zugraum:~$ ssh-add /home/scott/.ssh/id_dsa`
`23:08.07`	`bonez41`	`Identity added: /home/scott/.ssh/id_dsa (/home/scott/.ssh/id_dsa)`
`23:08.12`	`bonez41`	`ok, that got it there....I guess`
`23:08.59`	`findlay`	`now try ssh-ing into your work machine`
`23:10.38`	`bonez41`	`hmmm tried ssh fyrenice.com back to here..and still no respond to the password here..or to root or most recent old passwd`
`23:11.25`	`bonez41`	`ping doens't work either.....I know...it's another issue....`
`23:11.32`	`bonez41`	`but still something is blocking ssh entry`
`23:12.34`	`bonez41`	`sorry that my difficulties are so troublesome`
`23:13.07`	`findlay`	`now that I've made you clobber your old keys, can you recreate the key pair again but this time do 'ssh-keygen -b 1024 -t dsa' on your home machine?`
`23:13.29`	`findlay`	`and then copy the public key to your work machine again`
`23:13.42`	`bonez41`	`ok....I'll do that...brb`
`23:13.54`	`bonez41`	`I might disappear for 20" to treat last patient of the day...`
`23:13.58`	`bonez41`	`but I'll be back`
`23:14.13`	`findlay`	`but you should delete the old entries in your authorized_keys`
`23:14.15`	`findlay`	`ok`
`23:14.21`	`bonez41`	`delete them first?`
`23:14.29`	`findlay`	`shouldn't matter`
`23:14.34`	`bonez41`	`delete 'authorized_keys' ?`
`23:14.41`	`bonez41`	`or just run the keygen again and overwrite them?`
`23:14.44`	`findlay`	`how many authorized keys do you have?`
`23:14.51`	`bonez41`	`just one.....file...`
`23:15.09`	`findlay`	`you just have a key from your home machine?`
`23:15.18`	`findlay`	`if so then you can remove the fi;le`
`23:15.49`	`bonez41`	`I could remove ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but I fear that will then mess up my ssh'ing from work here..but I'll do it..to get this all working`
`23:16.06`	`bonez41`	`I'll mov the file...rename it....and then run keygen`
`23:16.08`	`findlay`	`move to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.old or something`
`23:17.36`	`bonez41`	`ok..now scp id_dsa.pub to work here..then cat...right?`
`23:18.06`	`findlay`	`rename it to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`23:18.24`	`bonez41`	`where?`
`23:18.36`	`bonez41`	`here or at home?`
`23:18.37`	`findlay`	`~ means $HOME`
`23:18.59`	`findlay`	`so /home/scott/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`23:19.09`	`bonez41`	`ok.....work or home....I got it with the tilde...`
`23:19.30`	`bonez41`	`I ran keygen command, then ran scp to grab that file at home to copy it to work here....`
`23:19.34`	`findlay`	`yeah, you want to generate the key pair at home`
`23:19.43`	`bonez41`	`ok, that's where I generated it`
`23:19.51`	`bonez41`	`it created id_dsa.pub.....`
`23:19.58`	`findlay`	`because that is where the private key resides`
`23:20.01`	`bonez41`	`right`
`23:20.23`	`bonez41`	`I guess i am not sure of my next move....`
`23:20.38`	`findlay`	`'mv id_dsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys'`
`23:20.55`	`bonez41`	`I copied that id_dsa.pub file to work here..and now am prepared to run the cat command to add to local ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file...at work here`
`23:21.06`	`bonez41`	`oh, you mean that at home......right?`
`23:21.12`	`bonez41`	`the mv id... command?`
`23:21.13`	`findlay`	`no at work`
`23:21.20`	`findlay`	`~ means your home directory`
`23:21.26`	`bonez41`	`ok....`
`23:21.28`	`bonez41`	`ok...`
`23:21.35`	`findlay`	`the shell literally resolves ~ to /home/your_user_name`
`23:22.20`	`bonez41`	`ok...now to ssh to home, requires that I enter the password.....`
`23:22.44`	`findlay`	`same error?`
`23:22.54`	`bonez41`	`yeah, now same error...when sshi'ng to work`
`23:23.18`	`findlay`	`next you'll want to look at your syslog for ssh in /var/log/ssh on your work computer`
`23:24.05`	`bonez41`	`I have no /var/log/ssh in /var/log, but i do have /var/log/syslog`
`23:24.11`	`bonez41`	`I assume that's the one to check`
`23:24.17`	`jsmith`	`bonez39: What about /var/log/secure?`
`23:24.27`	`jsmith`	`Dang, wrong bonez`
`23:24.35`	`jsmith`	`bonez41: Try /var/log/secure`
`23:24.43`	`bonez41`	`hmmm no /var/log/secure..it's just not in there....`
`23:25.14`	`findlay`	`do 'find /var/log \| grep -i ssh'`
`23:25.15`	`bonez41`	`just samba and syslog and others, but no secure and no ssh in /var/log`
`23:25.43`	`bonez41`	`fyrenice:/var/log# find /var/log \| grep -i ssh`
`23:25.43`	`bonez41`	`fyrenice:/var/log#`
`23:25.49`	`bonez41`	`nothing found`
`23:26.14`	`bonez41`	`sorry, I am really a pain here....don't mean to be though`
`23:26.15`	`jsmith`	`Maybe logging is turned off in /etc/ssh/sshd_config?`
`23:27.03`	`findlay`	`yes, look for anything that mentions logging in your sshd_config`
`23:27.11`	`findlay`	`which would be odd`
`23:27.33`	`bonez41`	`# Logging`
`23:27.33`	`bonez41`	`SyslogFacility AUTH`
`23:27.33`	`bonez41`	`LogLevel INFO`
`23:27.42`	`bonez41`	`that's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config`
`23:27.50`	`findlay`	`does it say anything about where it's supposed to log to?`
`23:28.33`	`bonez41`	`no...nothing...no path for logging`
`23:29.25`	`bonez41`	`would a line at the end of sshd_config cause this trouble? AllowUsers scott@fyrenice.com scott@127.0.0.1 @10.0.0. nx`
`23:29.37`	`bonez41`	`should that line also include 'scott@zugraum.com'?`
`23:29.53`	`findlay`	`no`
`23:29.57`	`findlay`	`that looks fine`
`23:30.22`	`bonez41`	`hmmmm`
`23:30.58`	`findlay`	`doing 'find /var/log -type f \| xargs grep -i ssh \| less' may tell you which files are logging stuff about ssh`
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