| 00:05.01 | QBFreak | ~lart Windows ME |
| 00:05.08 | QBFreak | -lart Windows ME |
| 00:08.27 | mheath_ | I have to whip together a quick robocode robot....hmmm.... |
| 00:09.20 | QBFreak | I have to get this windows ME install to play nice with the new hardware |
| 00:09.25 | QBFreak | without doing a fresh install |
| 00:09.36 | QBFreak | trying to clean out the gateway crap holding it back |
| 00:11.43 | mheath_ | I don't know why it sounds so yummy, but I've had a craving for ice cream sundaes =\ |
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| 00:11.58 | xbmodder_lappy | wish me luck, going in for a reboot |
| 00:12.02 | QBFreak | cause ice cream is just that awesome |
| 00:12.06 | QBFreak | xbmodder_lappy: nooo! don't do it! |
| 00:12.07 | mheath_ | ice cream, different kinds of syrup, nuts, whipped cream, etc. |
| 00:14.50 | bonez41 | my neighbor wants to sell me his old, 2 to 3 years, Dell laptop..for $300..... is it worth that? |
| 00:15.06 | bonez41 | something I could zap and install linux on? |
| 00:15.24 | mheath_ | bonez41, very much so! |
| 00:15.39 | xbmodder_lappy | what omdel? |
| 00:15.40 | mheath_ | Depends on the specs...if it really was NEW and decent 2 to 3 years ago, thats a nice deal |
| 00:15.41 | xbmodder_lappy | model |
| 00:15.49 | bonez41 | mheath_, a bargain then? |
| 00:16.06 | bonez41 | what version of linux? I prefer debian....but I want to isntall something that WORKS... |
| 00:16.16 | bonez41 | and won't give me a migraine getting configured |
| 00:16.23 | mheath_ | bonez41, again, depends on the specific model / specs, but an average laptop thats indeed that old.....thats a steal. |
| 00:16.28 | bonez41 | i will find out the model soon |
| 00:16.45 | mheath_ | I can't comment on laptop support |
| 00:16.46 | bonez41 | wife is going to snag it..next week |
| 00:16.53 | mheath_ | I've never had enough money for a laptop |
| 00:16.59 | bonez41 | ok.....I'll get it and see what I can get installed on it |
| 00:19.06 | xbmodder_lappy | is it a light and portable |
| 00:19.07 | mheath_ | YES! Today was the last day I have to wear blues! |
| 00:20.27 | mheath_ | Man, I hate positions of leadership |
| 00:20.39 | mheath_ | Constantly getting chewed out because those under me screwed up..... |
| 00:20.47 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
| 00:20.58 | bonez41 | mheath_, where do you work? |
| 00:21.20 | xbmodder_lappy | I think he is talking about his military internship.. |
| 00:21.26 | xbmodder_lappy | *navy |
| 00:21.39 | bonez41 | ah......navy blues..ok.... |
| 00:21.41 | mheath_ | bonez41, I work at Applebees, but most my previous comments are relted to by participation with the USNSCC, a Navy-related youth group. |
| 00:22.01 | xbmodder_lappy | If I cannot unmount /mnt/gentoo I am going to KILL this system |
| 00:22.27 | mheath_ | My dad has all his friends over...I'd feel weird going out then coming back with a bunch of icecream stuff =\ |
| 00:22.34 | mheath_ | but I REALLY want an ice cream sundae.... |
| 00:22.51 | mheath_ | Make it myself..I don't know any place that sells a really nice ice cream sundae like what I want =\ |
| 00:22.59 | QBFreak | got a sonic or something nearby? |
| 00:23.10 | xbmodder_lappy | A&W? |
| 00:23.17 | mheath_ | No, no, no! |
| 00:23.19 | mheath_ | I'm talking about |
| 00:23.30 | mheath_ | Huge mounds of icecream |
| 00:23.37 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 00:23.38 | mheath_ | Chocolate, Strawberry, Caramel sauce |
| 00:23.47 | mheath_ | Piles of whipped cream |
| 00:23.50 | mheath_ | maraschino cherries |
| 00:24.04 | bonez41 | hmmm Riblets |
| 00:24.17 | bonez41 | Sonic? eeeeek.... |
| 00:24.34 | mheath_ | I have to see about getting a cake for my teacher, too =\ |
| 00:24.40 | xbmodder_lappy | why? |
| 00:24.51 | mheath_ | Because I want to? |
| 00:24.54 | mheath_ | Its his birthday |
| 00:25.05 | mheath_ | Wednesday should be fun.....hmmmmm |
| 00:25.12 | mheath_ | Going to a robocode competition @ WSU |
| 00:25.42 | mheath_ | I long ago stopped caring about winning (a couple months ago, when I first heard about it, I had plans for a bot with some really advanced tracking-and-following stuff) |
| 00:26.01 | mheath_ | Just submitting a simple bot.....sometimes simple things do pretty good, so it might do OK....... |
| 00:26.23 | mheath_ | Just a day off of school with some good friends, free food, etc. :) |
| 00:34.38 | xbmodder_lappy | How do I stop my machine from rebooting after a kernel panic? |
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| 01:15.26 | griffeymac | Hi folks. |
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| 01:21.44 | mheath_ | Mmm |
| 01:21.49 | mheath_ | This ice cream sunday is quite yummy |
| 01:21.54 | mheath_ | Hello, griffeymac! |
| 01:23.56 | griffeymac | Good evening, mheath. |
| 01:24.10 | xbmodder_lappy | Can I use sauerbraten maps with any other (more common) game engine? |
| 01:26.38 | griffeymac | mheath_: how's things in Utah? |
| 01:26.55 | mheath_ | Outstanding. |
| 01:26.56 | griffeymac | (You're in Utah, right?) |
| 01:26.58 | griffeymac | :) |
| 01:27.12 | mheath_ | Indeed, for a few more months. |
| 01:27.18 | griffeymac | We were 80 degrees and clear skies today here in Illinois. |
| 01:27.37 | griffeymac | Things okay in Utah for a few more months, or you're only going to be there for a few more months? |
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| 01:28.21 | mheath_ | I'm only going to be there for a few more months |
| 01:28.35 | griffeymac | Where are you headed off to? |
| 01:28.43 | mheath_ | USMC basic training. |
| 01:28.51 | griffeymac | Holy moley. |
| 01:28.57 | griffeymac | Best of luck to you! |
| 01:29.03 | griffeymac | (and be careful....) |
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| 01:39.26 | mheath_ | Heh, the job I'm going into is the one MOS that, by far, contains the most Medal of Honor recipients. |
| 01:39.38 | mheath_ | The bad news is, the majority of those were awarded posthumously. |
| 01:39.54 | griffeymac | Oh boy. Well *try* to be careful... |
| 01:40.07 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 01:40.18 | xbmodder_lappy | thats great |
| 01:41.59 | mheath_ | xbmodder_lappy, eh? |
| 01:42.49 | xbmodder_lappy | thats it contains the most Medal of Honor recipients |
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| 02:09.03 | QBFreak | it can't seem to take any heat |
| 02:09.29 | QBFreak | 80 degrees in this room, I have a fan under the desk that circulated air in from the rest of the room |
| 02:09.37 | QBFreak | and it still can't take it |
| 02:12.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds good and proper broken |
| 02:13.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda like this windows child domain that I just setup |
| 02:13.30 | QBFreak | don't even talk about windows |
| 02:13.36 | QBFreak | I have been fighting iwth ME all day |
| 02:13.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ME? |
| 02:13.52 | QBFreak | not for myself |
| 02:14.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, better |
| 02:14.10 | ScytheBlade1 | But you can only get so "good" with Satan |
| 02:14.16 | QBFreak | its for my sister, its all I've got a license for, my dad wont go for linux |
| 02:14.34 | QBFreak | it was ok until I tried to move the HDD to a newer system |
| 02:14.45 | QBFreak | definitly needs a total reinstall |
| 02:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:15.04 | QBFreak | I can't even get a stable boot out of it anymore |
| 02:15.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that's on the "don't do this" list (swapping the HD to another computer) |
| 02:15.11 | QBFreak | checked the hardware, its all good |
| 02:15.13 | QBFreak | I know |
| 02:15.31 | QBFreak | I also seem to have lost the original install disc |
| 02:15.40 | QBFreak | somehow the gateway CDs didn't make it into my binder |
| 02:16.08 | QBFreak | yeah, gateway branded OS, generic hardware, compaq case, sounds like a mess |
| 02:16.16 | ScytheBlade1 | IS a mess |
| 02:16.19 | QBFreak | heh |
| 02:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw in ME, and you have a junkyard |
| 02:16.41 | QBFreak | on the other hand I found out why I couldn't get any of the compaq ram to fit the board that used to be in there |
| 02:16.54 | QBFreak | it wasn't a compaq, it turned out to be gateway as well |
| 02:17.17 | QBFreak | and people wonder why I always build my own machines...less headache |
| 02:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | "as well"? |
| 02:17.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow |
| 02:17.36 | QBFreak | yeah, it was free from someone who didn't have time to play with computers anymore |
| 02:18.04 | QBFreak | I thought the system was a Presario 6350 |
| 02:18.12 | QBFreak | now I have no idea what it really was |
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| 02:47.00 | levi | Good evening, #utah |
| 02:49.50 | QBFreak | the default DVD language in mplayer seems to have changed on my |
| 02:49.51 | levi | Wassup? |
| 02:49.52 | QBFreak | err me |
| 02:50.06 | QBFreak | trying to figure out how to fix that |
| 02:51.41 | QBFreak | got it to start in english, thats a plus |
| 02:54.24 | Supaplex | but right to left script languages are so much fun |
| 02:54.28 | mheath_ | Heh, try watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail in Japanese |
| 02:54.32 | mheath_ | If you know any Japanese |
| 02:54.44 | mheath_ | The literal translations back to English make it quite entertaining |
| 02:55.14 | Supaplex | I'm sure they are :P |
| 02:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Who wants to see the worst HTML source code *ever created*? |
| 02:57.39 | mheath_ | Wow...I'll be in the one group of men most likely to receive the Congressional Medal of Honor |
| 02:57.48 | mheath_ | Then again, I don't *want* a Medal of Honor =P |
| 02:57.56 | mheath_ | I wouldn't want to go through the things I'd have to to earn that.. |
| 02:58.54 | levi | Quite likely it would involve your death. |
| 02:59.11 | mheath_ | Indeed. |
| 02:59.26 | mheath_ | You know, I really wouldn't mind dieing for our country, though |
| 02:59.32 | mheath_ | I've kind of come to terms with that |
| 02:59.57 | mheath_ | Military service is really the only way to be a modern hero, it seems..... |
| 03:00.17 | mheath_ | I'd be all over the national news. People would be remembering me. I'd get people coming to my funeral simply because of my service. |
| 03:02.10 | mheath_ | I heard a gentleman speak about the middle east, and specifically the war in iraq |
| 03:02.36 | mheath_ | He's a former CIA agent; he spent a lot of time in the middle east, including participation in desert storm. He also has several degrees in Middle East-related studies... |
| 03:02.55 | ScytheBlade1 | He probably wrote some of the books to earn the degrees :) |
| 03:03.18 | mheath_ | He brought up a good point. Even if Iraq wasn't directly linked with the terrorist attacks on 9/11, they are linked |
| 03:03.31 | mheath_ | They are linked in the minds of the people there, and throughout the world |
| 03:03.46 | mheath_ | And our success in Iraq will be pivotal in the longterm international relations with the middle east |
| 03:03.58 | mheath_ | Another good point he brought up |
| 03:04.14 | mheath_ | Theres been a population explosion in that area. 70% of their population is under 30 years old. |
| 03:04.43 | mheath_ | He's convinced that, to be successful, a lot of our campaign should focus on leaving the children in the area with a possitive impression of America |
| 03:05.53 | mheath_ | And that we should encourage them to not participate in radical muslim beliefs (the things that are leading to all this problems) |
| 03:06.01 | mheath_ | I don't understand the Koran =\ |
| 03:06.22 | mheath_ | Theres passages in there talking about accepting world religions, and letting others be and have their own nations |
| 03:06.35 | levi | Well, the Bible is the same way. |
| 03:07.05 | QBFreak | the two things I understand are that it is not assembled in chronological order, and that later revelations take precidence over the earlier revelations |
| 03:07.06 | levi | It was certainly used to justify atrocities. |
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| 03:07.32 | emcnabb | bonez41: I'm in Queretaro (central Mexico) |
| 03:10.31 | mheath_ | ~lart emcnabb |
| 03:11.01 | emcnabb | ~lart mheath_ |
| 03:11.06 | maquis | ~lart chemistry |
| 03:11.10 | mheath_ | ibot! |
| 03:11.12 | mheath_ | ~lart ibot |
| 03:11.23 | mheath_ | :( |
| 03:11.30 | mheath_ | * ibot throws mheath_'s poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 03:11.35 | mheath_ | My dog is about to die, really =\ |
| 03:11.37 | maquis | ~lart failing scores on finals :( |
| 03:11.43 | QBFreak | mheath_: that sucks :( |
| 03:12.09 | mheath_ | maquis, that sucks! |
| 03:12.23 | mheath_ | OK, I'm going to bed |
| 03:12.27 | mheath_ | I'm going to bed early |
| 03:12.34 | mheath_ | so I can get a good nights sleep for the first time in ages |
| 03:12.50 | mheath_ | and wake up on time without feeling tired and wishing the world would end and let me sleep |
| 03:12.57 | QBFreak | laters mheath_, sleep well |
| 03:13.02 | mheath_ | I'm going to make myself a big breakfast :) |
| 03:13.18 | mheath_ | Cinammon rolls, eggs, bacon, orange juice |
| 03:13.19 | mheath_ | Mmmmm :) |
| 03:14.12 | maquis | mheath_: mmm... |
| 03:14.15 | maquis | mheath_: that sounds good |
| 03:16.14 | levi | Winder Farms has excellent bacon. |
| 03:16.34 | levi | applewood smoked! |
| 03:23.22 | QBFreak | mmm, the last saturday I worked mornings they made french toast, bacon and ehhs |
| 03:23.24 | QBFreak | eggs |
| 03:23.37 | maquis | QBFreak: where/ |
| 03:23.47 | QBFreak | Tony's Pizza and Pasta |
| 03:23.55 | maquis | ah |
| 03:24.43 | QBFreak | usually the owner picks up donuts, but the manager opened that day |
| 03:24.50 | QBFreak | much better breakfast |
| 03:26.32 | QBFreak | freakin computer locked up again |
| 03:26.38 | QBFreak | in the middle of a DVD |
| 03:27.05 | QBFreak | anyway, I told him if he did that more often I'd be happy to do doubles on saturdays :) |
| 03:35.29 | QBFreak | why do people in movies always shut the car off but leave the lights on when they stop to see something? kinda hard on the battery |
| 03:37.08 | QBFreak | then again, I'm bad about not shutting the car off unless I'm parking :) |
| 03:43.03 | QBFreak | the bad habits of a pizza man |
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| 04:44.17 | amcnabb | I just did a backup of all of my flacs. |
| 04:44.29 | amcnabb | Last time it took about 7 DVDs. This time it was 17! |
| 04:44.35 | QBFreak | tsk tsk |
| 04:44.38 | amcnabb | I wish Bluray were affordable. |
| 04:45.23 | QBFreak | is dual layer worth it? |
| 04:46.07 | QBFreak | I never compared prices with regular DVDs |
| 04:46.22 | amcnabb | They're several times more expensive, last time I checked. |
| 04:46.27 | QBFreak | ah ok |
| 04:46.47 | QBFreak | I considered getting one for convenience in backups, but never did |
| 04:47.23 | QBFreak | I think I never got the firmware onto my burner |
| 04:47.31 | amcnabb | My drive can do dual layer, but the media are too expensive. |
| 04:47.43 | QBFreak | bah, bad grammer |
| 04:47.46 | QBFreak | grammar? |
| 04:47.48 | QBFreak | hmph |
| 04:49.34 | amcnabb | What are you talking about? |
| 04:49.35 | nick125_lappy | grammar yeah |
| 04:49.46 | QBFreak | and spleling! |
| 04:50.07 | nick125_lappy | of courze! |
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| 08:25.09 | Supaplex | ~lart the morning commuter traffic loosers |
| 08:25.41 | QBFreak | Supaplex: morning commuter traffic? you must be in EST as well |
| 08:26.02 | Supaplex | nope, I'm just late to bed. just planning in advance hehe |
| 08:26.08 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 08:26.20 | QBFreak | heh |
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| 12:35.20 | mheath_ | Good morning :) |
| 12:52.50 | goozbach | morning |
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| 14:03.54 | elg | -lart stupid cd burner |
| 14:04.07 | elg | 3 coasters so far |
| 14:07.01 | elg | last try. turned on dma (why was that off) and lowered speed by 1/2 |
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| 14:19.26 | goozbach | good luck |
| 14:19.28 | goozbach | ha ha! |
| 14:19.56 | elg | grumble. everything but the last file. it said it worked fine |
| 14:20.04 | elg | but the last file is truncated. stupid burner |
| 14:20.13 | elg | I miss my old burner. never once did I have a coaster |
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| 14:20.24 | elg | but it went belly-up |
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| 14:43.40 | goozbach | sorry |
| 14:43.49 | goozbach | so docbook isn't all that bad |
| 14:44.03 | goozbach | sjansen isn't here is he? |
| 14:44.10 | goozbach | don't want him to hear me say that. |
| 14:48.45 | goozbach | hello taxbreaks |
| 14:48.55 | goozbach | I'm gonna deduct everything this year |
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| 16:08.21 | maquis | yoha |
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| 16:21.48 | maquis | ?? |
| 16:22.47 | maquis | ~leopard ^Migs^ |
| 16:22.49 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up behind ^Migs^, then pounces, bringing ^Migs^ to the ground |
| 16:23.46 | maquis | ~jugular ^Migs^ |
| 16:25.51 | ^Migs^ | the in-laws ended up moving in with us after all |
| 16:29.09 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: but at least they got you those cell phones right? |
| 16:29.18 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 16:29.19 | maquis | networking test and stat test |
| 16:29.19 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Go home and deal with it. |
| 16:29.20 | ^Migs^ | and they're keeping the house clean |
| 16:29.32 | Bradipo | There you go, free cleaning, free cell phones... |
| 16:29.33 | maquis | anybody experts in either of those areas with a few free hours? |
| 16:29.51 | ^Migs^ | except now the house smells like cigarette smoke, and there's dog hair everywhere. Plus I spent me weekend listen to constant complaining about family problems. |
| 16:29.55 | ^Migs^ | *my |
| 16:30.17 | ^Migs^ | kind of like the complaining I'm doing now |
| 16:30.21 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: You have rules for the house right? No smoking in the house, no pets in the house! |
| 16:30.30 | ^Migs^ | no, they smoke outside, but they don't shut the windows |
| 16:30.34 | Bradipo | maquis: good luck. |
| 16:30.38 | maquis | Bradipo: thanks |
| 16:30.41 | maquis | i'll need it |
| 16:30.47 | ^Migs^ | well, mom-in-law does, at least. I've asked her to, as well. |
| 16:30.49 | maquis | i've already failed one test this week... :( |
| 16:30.57 | ^Migs^ | which classes, maquis? |
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| 16:47.28 | ^Migs^ | why does the word "cleave" have two opposing definitions? It can mean either to separate or stick together. |
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| 16:48.57 | levi | Morning, #utah |
| 16:57.34 | scottj | screen's caption is pretty cool: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=130873918&size=o |
| 17:00.52 | levi | Nice desktop. |
| 17:01.06 | levi | Is that Enlightenment? |
| 17:01.10 | scottj | y |
| 17:02.06 | scottj | the one thing I haven't figured out yet is what's the best way to have screen start in new terminals automatically |
| 17:02.14 | levi | Does it do real accelerated compositing? |
| 17:02.18 | scottj | well, there's other things :) |
| 17:02.27 | levi | Hmm, I think I saw a blog entry on that recently. Let me look... |
| 17:02.29 | scottj | I don't know what that is |
| 17:03.13 | scottj | my vid card isn't very good, but the shadows are very fast |
| 17:03.53 | levi | http://taint.org/wk/RemoteLoginAutoScreen |
| 17:04.03 | scottj | thanks |
| 17:04.11 | levi | Have you looked at the Xgl liveCD demo? |
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| 17:04.37 | scottj | I think I booted it and it didn't work with my video card |
| 17:04.47 | levi | I'm not sure if that page describes exactly what you want to do, but maybe it will help. |
| 17:04.54 | dataw0lf | scottj: |
| 17:04.57 | _dave_ | Von, are you here? |
| 17:06.46 | scottj | dataw0lf: I don't know. |
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| 17:46.37 | obfuscated | Jayce^: you post a lot to your blog - your making me look bad ;-) |
| 17:51.55 | levi | I need to get back to blogging. I've been in a no-blog rut. |
| 17:52.59 | Bradipo | I might blog if I thought someone besides me would read it. :-) |
| 17:53.25 | levi | Bradipo: Get it syndicated on the utah open source planet. Then at least everyone else on there would read it. |
| 17:53.26 | jsmith | Bradipo: Depends on whether or not they know who your employer is |
| 17:53.52 | Jayce^ | no obfuscated, you can handle that yourself :) |
| 17:54.07 | levi | obfuscated: Which is your blog? |
| 17:54.31 | Jayce^ | this month |
| 17:54.34 | Bradipo | jsmith: I suppose some would read it just because of that fact (i.e. the boss to make sure I don't leak info I don't have). |
| 17:54.57 | Jayce^ | jsmith, you going to get one on openclue too? :) |
| 17:55.10 | ^Migs^ | there's a poll of "the world's 10 sexiest geeks" and half of them were bloggers. I don't consider a mere blogger a "geek" |
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| 17:56.08 | jsmith | Jayce^: I've got one, I just don't blog much. |
| 17:56.17 | jsmith | Bradipo: Naw, I'd read it just because I know you're smart! |
| 17:56.23 | ^Migs^ | I really should keep a journal. Maybe I should just blog instead. |
| 17:57.02 | levi | Oooh, there's a 17" MacBook Pro out now. |
| 17:57.17 | jsmith | Scary. |
| 17:57.17 | Bradipo | jsmith: Smart doesn't necessarily mean interesting or worth reading. :-) |
| 17:57.42 | jsmith | Bradipo: Who says everything I read has to be interesting or worth reading :-) |
| 17:57.46 | Bradipo | lol |
| 17:58.06 | Bradipo | Too true, there are plenty of dumb websites out there that have been read over and over by random surfers. |
| 18:02.19 | obfuscated | levi: jessestay.com |
| 18:02.31 | obfuscated | I'm starting to update it a bit more often |
| 18:02.52 | obfuscated | MP2 messed up the whole commenting system I spent so much time working on though |
| 18:03.17 | levi | obfuscated: Oh, you've gone and changed your nick again. |
| 18:03.33 | levi | How's anyone supposed to keep track of people who change their nicks all the time? ;) |
| 18:03.34 | obfuscated | levi: yup - I was in an obfuscated mood one day |
| 18:03.58 | obfuscated | helped a coworker write a regex to capitalize first letters of all words and remove leading and trailing spaces at the same time |
| 18:04.08 | obfuscated | so changed my nick :-) |
| 18:05.18 | TimRiker | ~rot13 obfuscated |
| 18:05.18 | ibot | boshfpngrq |
| 18:05.18 | obfuscated | QBFreak: Uncle_Jesse |
| 18:05.31 | obfuscated | ~piglatin obfuscated |
| 18:05.46 | QBFreak | obfuscated: aha |
| 18:29.14 | harleypig | http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/22/naked.carpentry.ap/index.html |
| 18:29.16 | brac | [CNN.com - Naked carpenter: I wanted to stay clean - Apr 23, 2006] |
| 18:32.09 | harleypig | http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2006-04-21-nails_x.htm |
| 18:32.10 | brac | [USATODAY.com - Oregon man survives 12 nails to the head] |
| 19:01.49 | findlay | so, SPF is entirely a DNS thing, right? |
| 19:02.19 | goozbach | as I understand it, yes |
| 19:02.22 | levi | Also a sunscreen thing. |
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| 19:04.08 | findlay | but your MTA has to emit the proper headers? |
| 19:04.10 | harleypig | single point of failure |
| 19:04.17 | harleypig | shortest path first |
| 19:04.30 | harleypig | singapore police force |
| 19:04.50 | harleypig | http://acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?Acronym=spf&Find=find&string=exact |
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| 19:28.04 | tensai | sendmail gurus in the house? |
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| 19:32.11 | dataw0lf | tensai: um, do reluctant competent users work? |
| 19:33.38 | tensai | dataw0lf: whoever can solve my problem, I'm not picky |
| 19:33.54 | tensai | so I've got a server, let's say foo.example.com with a user nagios |
| 19:34.36 | tensai | when nagios sends out an email it says that nagios@foo.example.com sent it. we want to set it to noc@example.com instead. is there any easy way to do that with sendmail? |
| 19:34.43 | tensai | since apparently it's not easy to do in nagios |
| 19:36.47 | dataw0lf | tensai: the generics table? |
| 19:38.28 | tensai | dataw0lf: I should mention I know very little about sendmail |
| 19:38.44 | dataw0lf | tensai: I try to keep my knowledge as limited as possible. |
| 19:39.11 | dataw0lf | but the generics table just comes to mind, so look into that. |
| 19:40.12 | mrpull- | any wrt54G users in ear's reach? |
| 19:40.30 | tensai | mrpull-: yes |
| 19:40.51 | dataw0lf | mrpull-: yup |
| 19:41.03 | mrpull- | i settled on a sveasoft image the last time i flashed one (several months ago)... what is the current "best" disto... and why? |
| 19:42.15 | tensai | mrpull-: I switched from sveasoft to openwrt and have quite enjoyed it. it's entirely cmd line based, the docs are fairly comprehensive. |
| 19:42.45 | mrpull- | GUI is desirable in this case. I wont be the only one using it. I understand that OpenWRT may have a GUI now? |
| 19:42.58 | tensai | wouldn't be surprised, but I haven't seen it |
| 19:43.08 | dataw0lf | Neither have I, last I heard OpenWRT didn't have a GUI. |
| 19:43.14 | dataw0lf | Does BatBox? |
| 19:44.21 | dataw0lf | I use a modified version of ewrt, and don't have much experience with anything else. |
| 19:44.25 | mrpull- | looking at release notes now. it looks like there is more than one openwrt distro now. |
| 19:44.28 | tensai | dd-wrt appears to be an openwrt-based firmware w/ gui |
| 19:44.38 | obfuscated | mrpull-: I like dd-wrt |
| 19:44.50 | obfuscated | it uses openwrt and combines it with sveasoft |
| 19:46.21 | mrpull- | NoCat (or something similar) is wanted for this AP. Does that help decide? |
| 19:46.33 | obfuscated | mrpull-: what is NoCat? |
| 19:46.50 | mrpull- | Captive Portal software |
| 19:46.58 | tensai | openwrt has nocat packages. I haven't used it, but I saw that it was there. |
| 19:47.31 | obfuscated | and pretty much anything openwrt supports you can throw into dd-wrt |
| 19:47.57 | dataw0lf | mrpull-: ewrt has mucho support for nocat |
| 19:48.56 | dataw0lf | mrpull-: ewrt actually is integrated with nocatsplash |
| 19:49.05 | mrpull- | dataw0lf: i suppose that was the first distro that turned me on to the wrt54g's. I haven't tried the 0.4 release |
| 19:49.57 | dataw0lf | mrpull-: It's pretty nice. |
| 19:50.09 | dataw0lf | mrpull-: Irving is forking from the project last I heard, though. |
| 19:50.32 | dataw0lf | since he quit a while back, he rejoined for 0.4 and now is forking from Troy. |
| 19:54.22 | mrpull- | ewrt has improved a lot since I last saw it. I think it fits my needs. |
| 19:54.25 | mrpull- | thanks for the input. |
| 19:55.17 | dataw0lf | np |
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| 20:42.52 | levi | I find the Ruby distinction between Blocks, Procs, and methods to be kind of strange and overly complex. |
| 20:43.05 | harleypig | He's wearing and Edgar suite! AHHHHH! |
| 20:43.15 | harleypig | s/suite/suit/ |
| 20:43.33 | Jayce^ | ~travolta harleypig |
| 20:43.35 | ibot | ACTION replaces harleypig with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 20:43.47 | harleypig | I am working ... :P |
| 20:44.15 | Jayce^ | o/~ staying alive, staying alive.. ~/o |
| 20:44.30 | harleypig | oh oh oh staying alive ... |
| 20:44.46 | harleypig | you can teeeelll by the tway I move ... |
| 20:44.52 | harleypig | I'm a woman's man ... |
| 20:45.07 | Jayce^ | for those just joining in on the fun, here at work we sent harleypig into an interesting flashback |
| 20:45.33 | Jayce^ | it appears he actually danced to that, on a lighted disco floor, wearing a *lime-green* leisure suit |
| 20:45.41 | levi | Yow. |
| 20:46.19 | Jayce^ | so our new game, is to do drive by reminders of disco music, causing his eyes to roll and the flashbacks to begin |
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| 21:06.15 | mheath | ^Migs^, you're rather silly |
| 21:06.59 | ^Migs^ | huh? wtf?! |
| 21:07.23 | mheath | ^Migs^, your changes to the wsdinfo site :) |
| 21:07.32 | ^Migs^ | I made changes? |
| 21:07.37 | ^Migs^ | I didn't push out any changes. |
| 21:07.43 | ^Migs^ | that's not even my responsibility |
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| 21:08.04 | ^Migs^ | what changes are there? |
| 21:08.10 | mheath | Hmm, its back to normal |
| 21:08.24 | mheath | This morning, me (and everyone else who tried it) got info for a ficticious person |
| 21:08.24 | ^Migs^ | are you sure it's not just YOU? |
| 21:08.32 | mheath | a Mr. Yawyaw |
| 21:08.39 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 21:08.42 | mheath | Who has apparently taken the last 40 years to get his highschool diploma |
| 21:08.51 | ^Migs^ | Charles Yawyaw? |
| 21:08.54 | mheath | And isn't doing particularly well, grade wise |
| 21:08.57 | mheath | ^Migs^, Yes. |
| 21:09.10 | ^Migs^ | how did you get into that? |
| 21:09.16 | mheath | Charles B. Yawyaw. |
| 21:09.20 | ^Migs^ | you just signed in with your student account? |
| 21:09.23 | mheath | ^Migs^, Yep |
| 21:09.26 | mheath | Its back to normal now |
| 21:09.30 | ^Migs^ | and instead of showing you your stats, it showed you his? |
| 21:09.35 | mheath | but anyone who signed on earlier this morning got his stuff |
| 21:09.35 | mheath | yep |
| 21:10.49 | mheath | ^Migs^, unintentional? :P |
| 21:12.48 | ^Migs^ | obviously |
| 21:13.12 | mheath | Who is Mr. Yawyaw? I take it he's rather made up |
| 21:13.16 | ^Migs^ | of course |
| 21:13.30 | BL4 | someone admin mess up some school login? |
| 21:13.37 | ^Migs^ | wasn't me |
| 21:13.50 | ^Migs^ | I'll tell the other dev there were a bunch of FURIOUS complaints |
| 21:13.59 | BL4 | lol |
| 21:15.22 | mheath | haha |
| 21:16.46 | mheath | ^Migs^, BTW, it is OK for me to be sharing that site with others, right? |
| 21:17.06 | mheath | I don't know if you officially had it open to the public yet...I just know that no one at my school seemed to know about it |
| 21:19.52 | ^Migs^ | yes, of course |
| 21:19.57 | ^Migs^ | we have our own development environment |
| 21:20.04 | ^Migs^ | why would we put it on the WWW if it wasn't okay to share? |
| 21:20.16 | ^Migs^ | we haven't promoted it that much yet. |
| 21:20.18 | BL4 | because someone admin lack intellegence? |
| 21:20.25 | ^Migs^ | no, our administrators are great |
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| 21:20.38 | BL4 | wow, I can't type today |
| 21:20.50 | BL4 | because some admin lacks intellegence* |
| 21:21.00 | ^Migs^ | intelligence |
| 21:21.08 | BL4 | or spell apparently |
| 21:21.16 | JoshH | he must be a real moran |
| 21:21.25 | JoshH | or just retarted |
| 21:21.39 | ^Migs^ | well, keep telling everyone about it, mheath |
| 21:22.16 | mheath | We started two good movies in two of my classes today |
| 21:22.30 | mheath | neither of which I'll be able to finish, because I won't be there next time =\ |
| 21:22.36 | ^Migs^ | rent them from Blockbuster |
| 21:23.30 | mheath | Harrison Bergeron was really great |
| 21:23.37 | mheath | It was unbelievably ironic, though....... |
| 21:23.56 | mheath | The teacher had an edited copy of it. Harrison Bergeron the movie, edited for schools. |
| 21:24.06 | mheath | The teacher didn't seem to realize how silly and ironic that was. |
| 21:27.44 | ^Migs^ | it's rated R |
| 21:27.53 | ^Migs^ | that can't legally be shown in a school |
| 21:28.02 | ^Migs^ | it's not irony. It's the law. |
| 21:28.32 | mheath | ^Migs^, its still ironic |
| 21:28.46 | mheath | Rather like...censoring "1984" |
| 21:29.30 | mheath | Even more so, because the Harrison Bergeron movie deals directly with movie and television censorship too |
| 21:30.17 | JoshH | oh well, at least they didn't let those precious innocent high school children hear or see anything inappropriate. |
| 21:31.32 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 21:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | You hit that one on the head |
| 21:31.59 | mheath | I didn't know it was rated R |
| 21:32.04 | mheath | but I really thought it was a joke |
| 21:32.06 | mheath | Part of the plot |
| 21:32.12 | mheath | That the censorship was pretend |
| 21:32.24 | mheath | because I just couldn't belive someone would make a censored copy of that movie |
| 21:32.44 | JoshH | they don't consider it censorship |
| 21:33.02 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: is there _really_ a law against r-rated movies in schools? |
| 21:33.23 | ^Migs^ | of course there is. It isn't even legal to show then to minors in movie theaters. |
| 21:33.34 | JoshH | yes it is |
| 21:33.46 | JoshH | they just aren't supposed to let them in without an adult |
| 21:33.47 | mrpull- | i seem to remember seeing a couple R's in school |
| 21:33.49 | Kuyaedz | it is with supervision |
| 21:33.55 | ^Migs^ | that's what I meant |
| 21:34.02 | mrpull- | maybe with a release from mom and dad |
| 21:34.06 | ^Migs^ | how long ago was this, mrpull-? |
| 21:34.10 | JoshH | schools could probably show rated R with a permission note or something |
| 21:34.24 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 21:34.27 | ^Migs^ | was this in Utah? |
| 21:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | They can show PG-13 with a note |
| 21:34.30 | mrpull- | 10ish years ago |
| 21:34.31 | ^Migs^ | because other places allow it |
| 21:34.36 | ScytheBlade1 | R is just that, restricted |
| 21:34.41 | mrpull- | 12ish-13ish maybe |
| 21:35.06 | JoshH | NC-17 might take something more |
| 21:35.06 | mrpull- | i was just curious if there is a _law_ |
| 21:35.17 | ^Migs^ | I actually think it may be up to the discretion of the school district |
| 21:35.21 | mrpull- | I thought the R thing was self policed by the movie industry and not a LAW |
| 21:35.30 | JoshH | it is mrpull- |
| 21:35.51 | ^Migs^ | no, there's law/age limits |
| 21:35.53 | Kuyaedz | I think ratings are ridiculous. some that are pg-13 should be R, whereas R rated should often be PG-13. |
| 21:35.54 | JoshH | but i vaguely remember some of our esteemed politicians pushing to make it law in some states last year |
| 21:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | <^Migs^> I actually think it may be up to the discretion of the school district <-- ding ding |
| 21:36.14 | mheath | *shrug* I had a teacher who taught a Survey of Cinema class |
| 21:36.17 | ^Migs^ | that doesn't mean there's not some law influence from the state, though, ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:36.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Point |
| 21:36.31 | ^Migs^ | the schools nowadays have a much broader curriculum than I ever had |
| 21:36.32 | mheath | Got in trouble for showing Monty Python and the Holy Grail as an example of a timeless comedy |
| 21:36.38 | mheath | Thats rated PG =\ |
| 21:37.05 | ^Migs^ | Kuyaedz: That depends on what sort of material you consider needs to be in each rating, which is kind of a moot point. |
| 21:37.22 | ^Migs^ | since the MPAA already established what constitutes a particular rating, and evalutes each movie accordingly |
| 21:39.05 | Kuyaedz | but those seem to change periodically as well.. |
| 21:39.30 | levi | I watched some R-rated movies in high school, but that was in Virginia. |
| 21:39.37 | mheath | Think of it this way |
| 21:39.42 | mheath | Schindlers List is rated R |
| 21:39.43 | JoshH | levi: edited? |
| 21:39.46 | mheath | It is one of the best films in history |
| 21:39.48 | levi | JoshH: Nope. |
| 21:39.50 | ^Migs^ | it's often governed by cultural concerns |
| 21:40.01 | ^Migs^ | I think Schindlers List is a little stale, really |
| 21:40.03 | mheath | Yet it shares its rating (and younger indviduals access is limited by a comparison to) much more horrible films |
| 21:40.03 | levi | We watched Falling Down in my Gov't class. :) |
| 21:40.10 | JoshH | isn't virginia pretty bible beltish? |
| 21:40.12 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 21:40.13 | mheath | BTW |
| 21:40.16 | ^Migs^ | what does Falling Down have to do with government? |
| 21:40.18 | JoshH | falling down is awesome |
| 21:40.24 | JoshH | but ya, nothing to do with govt |
| 21:40.29 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 21:40.33 | mheath | In one of my classes, we watched a movie on the Vietnam war. I've been trying to figure out what the title of it was.... |
| 21:40.36 | levi | I dunno, but I enjoyed it. :) |
| 21:40.39 | mheath | It was all actual footage and photos of the war |
| 21:40.46 | ^Migs^ | in my middle school German class, we'd watch movies ALL the time |
| 21:40.47 | mheath | with celebrity voices reading real letters home from soldiers |
| 21:40.54 | mheath | Anyone know what it was? |
| 21:40.57 | levi | We watched Spartacus in my Latin class. |
| 21:40.58 | ^Migs^ | half the school year was spent watching movies |
| 21:41.06 | ^Migs^ | oh, that's a good one |
| 21:41.21 | ^Migs^ | Google for it, mheath |
| 21:42.56 | mheath | Dear America - Letters Home from Vietnam |
| 21:43.00 | mheath | I want to get a copy of that |
| 21:43.40 | JoshH | it's just stupid how schools try to shelter students from R rated movies when most of them are already as foul mouthed as a person can be already |
| 21:44.15 | JoshH | movies that try to realistically portray high school life are often rated R for that reason |
| 21:44.17 | mheath | JoshH, I'm not quite sure I agree with that logic all the way |
| 21:44.26 | mheath | Thats like a spoof radio ad I heard. A comedy piece. |
| 21:44.35 | mheath | "Abuse Me Elmo - Hit him and he talks!" |
| 21:44.43 | mheath | "It will prepare your child for the real world!" |
| 21:47.19 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 21:47.38 | ^Migs^ | I suppose if ALL of them were, JoshH, that would make sense. But students don't make the rules. Parents do. |
| 21:47.48 | ^Migs^ | if enough parents complain, rules get changed |
| 21:48.24 | mheath | waIt, I don't have any say?! You mean, when I electmy highschool officers, they don't really do or influence anything?! |
| 21:48.56 | ^Migs^ | you mean student body officers? |
| 21:49.16 | ^Migs^ | I honestly don't know how much influence they have. I had a couple officer friends in high school, but wasn't sure what it was all about |
| 21:49.28 | Kuyaedz | I know the UVSC student body officers don't seem to do anything.. |
| 21:49.28 | ^Migs^ | they organized student activities and stuff, sure. As for the administrative level, I doubt they have that much influence. |
| 21:49.50 | ^Migs^ | particularly since the district is run by a board of directors |
| 21:50.04 | mheath | Ah, there it is. |
| 21:50.18 | ^Migs^ | I figured you were being sarcastic, but that was for the benefit of clarity |
| 21:50.40 | mheath | "Weather forcast for tonight: dark. Continued dark overnight, with widely scattered light by morning." |
| 21:50.41 | mheath | Heh |
| 21:50.41 | ^Migs^ | personally, I wish students did have more say |
| 21:51.08 | levi | I thought the UVSC student body election was incredibly annoying. |
| 21:51.17 | JoshH | migs, i'm not saying the students should be able to change the rules, i'm just saying a rule disallowing R rated movies is pointless |
| 21:51.31 | ^Migs^ | no it's not |
| 21:51.38 | ^Migs^ | enough parents have a problem with it |
| 21:51.48 | JoshH | those parents are a problem imo |
| 21:52.09 | ^Migs^ | and enough kids do, for that matter, in Utah. At minimum, the teacher should make watching the movie optional |
| 21:52.14 | Kuyaedz | outside of blood & gore, what could be in an R movie that isn't prevalent in any HS? foul language, sex, drugs, rock 'n roll.. |
| 21:52.26 | ^Migs^ | some kid/parent combos even have a problem with PG-13 movies |
| 21:52.27 | JoshH | if they paid attention to what their kids are doing, they would realize that R rated movies have nothing that their kids haven't heard or seen before |
| 21:52.47 | ^Migs^ | is that really the issue? |
| 21:53.15 | JoshH | it's bad to prevent kids from seeing something potentially enlightening or educational because of it's rating |
| 21:53.38 | ^Migs^ | so because my kid has heard the f-word a few times, I should just let her watch any R-rated movie, without my parental screening? |
| 21:53.43 | JoshH | it reminds me of the fiasco a couple years ago when parents didn't want their kids to see that russian art exhibit in vegas |
| 21:53.43 | Jayce^ | it's bad to show it to them before their partnts have them prepared |
| 21:53.47 | ^Migs^ | that's why there's cleanflicks |
| 21:53.52 | JoshH | because they didn't want their kid to be exposed to a casino... |
| 21:54.03 | ^Migs^ | sounds perfectly sensible to me |
| 21:54.47 | ^Migs^ | parents have the right to dictate what their children can and can't be allowed to see. It doesn't matter how much you grumble about somebody else's parenting skills or how much of a hissy fit you throw. They're the ones entitled to their children's welfare, not you, or anyone else. |
| 21:54.58 | JoshH | i never said they weren't |
| 21:55.04 | JoshH | so i don't know what you are arguing |
| 21:55.08 | ^Migs^ | I'm making a point |
| 21:55.13 | ^Migs^ | not necessarily directed at or for you |
| 21:55.24 | JoshH | i'm simply saying that in my opinion, parents who would say no to an educational R rated movie are short sighted |
| 21:55.34 | JoshH | or even ignorant |
| 21:55.41 | ^Migs^ | which is why they allow censored movies |
| 21:55.47 | ^Migs^ | there are also permission slips |
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| 21:55.51 | JoshH | but censoring is pointless |
| 21:55.57 | ^Migs^ | why is it pointless? |
| 21:56.01 | JoshH | because kids hear all the swear words in existence every day |
| 21:56.10 | ^Migs^ | why are you returning to that? |
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| 21:56.14 | JoshH | and kids who want to see boobs will see them |
| 21:56.16 | levi | Depends on who they hang out with. |
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| 21:56.19 | JoshH | no matter what their parents do about it |
| 21:56.45 | ^Migs^ | It doesn't matter if everyone cusses. Parents can rightfully insist that their child's exposure to such foul language is minimized. |
| 21:56.50 | levi | There's a difference in things that happen underneath the radar and things that are presented by the school authority figures. |
| 21:57.10 | ^Migs^ | moreover, allowing r-rated movies, in some way, may be seen as glorifying the behavior which the parents are trying to prohibit for their children |
| 21:57.34 | ^Migs^ | as such, it's not up to anyone else to dictate what parents can and can't let their own children see, nor does it make any sense to complain about it. |
| 21:57.37 | levi | Not necessarily glorifying, but it is often considering an act of condoning. |
| 21:57.42 | ^Migs^ | condoning, yes |
| 21:57.55 | JoshH | migs, again, i'm not saying parents shouldn't be allowed to choose what their kids can watch |
| 21:57.57 | ^Migs^ | it's not so black and white |
| 21:58.11 | ^Migs^ | yes, you're just questioning why it's a problem |
| 21:58.24 | ^Migs^ | and I gave my reasons why I believe your point is flawed |
| 21:58.38 | ^Migs^ | if ONE person has a problem, that's enough |
| 21:59.00 | ^Migs^ | that's how it has to be when you're dealing with groups of kids |
| 21:59.31 | ^Migs^ | I had a friend in high school who wasn't even allowed to watch PG-13 movies. |
| 21:59.33 | JoshH | why should one person be able to affect everyone else? |
| 21:59.37 | ^Migs^ | she wasn't much fun to hang out with |
| 21:59.44 | JoshH | if one person has a problem with it, then that person is the problem imo |
| 21:59.45 | levi | I only wish more parents took a very active role in educating their kids. |
| 22:00.00 | ^Migs^ | because that's how it always works, JoshH |
| 22:00.18 | JoshH | but that doesn't mean it's how it should be |
| 22:00.33 | levi | JoshH: The rights of minorities are specifically protected by our governmental system, and it's a fundamental aspect of our society. |
| 22:00.42 | ^Migs^ | so it should be a majority vote? |
| 22:01.35 | JoshH | should students be banned from reading their bibles in the hallway because one student finds it annoying? |
| 22:01.44 | JoshH | no |
| 22:01.52 | ^Migs^ | it would be easy to solve the illegal immigration problem if we didn't have to worry about what the minorities think |
| 22:01.58 | levi | Hello, straw man. |
| 22:02.00 | JoshH | and a class shouldn't be prohibited from watching harrison bergeron because one parent finds it offensive |
| 22:02.06 | ^Migs^ | heh, I was just thinking that, levi |
| 22:02.10 | JoshH | that parents kid can go to the library or something |
| 22:02.59 | ^Migs^ | rather invalid, too. Since the student reading the Bible would be the minority, presumably. And thus protected. |
| 22:03.55 | ^Migs^ | that often happened in my school, when we didn't have a permission slip to watch a movie |
| 22:04.00 | ^Migs^ | some kid would just leave |
| 22:04.14 | levi | That is often how it works. |
| 22:04.20 | ^Migs^ | it was really only that girl I mentioned earlier. Her parents were strict. |
| 22:04.26 | JoshH | permission slips are a good thing |
| 22:04.40 | levi | I think I had to get a permission slip on the R-rated movie occasions. |
| 22:04.47 | JoshH | but a district policy of no rated R no matter what, presumably implemented because of a few bothersome parents who complain all the time, is a bad thing |
| 22:05.01 | Bradipo | A law should apply the same across all types of people, minority or majority. Its when the law is written so that one group benefits at the expense of another that there is a problem. |
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| 22:05.23 | Bradipo | JoshH: In a free market, we wouldn't have this problem. Parents could send their children to whatever school best matched their moral inclinations. |
| 22:05.31 | ^Migs^ | JoshH, I didn't even know what the policy is in our district |
| 22:05.50 | ^Migs^ | I ASSUME it's a district policy |
| 22:06.02 | Bradipo | Speaking of which: http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/175416/ |
| 22:06.25 | ^Migs^ | although I'm not sure anymore, since mheath was still technically watching an r-rated movie, albeit censored. Is the policy really that an r-rated movie must be censored? "Censored" is a loose term. |
| 22:06.29 | Bradipo | Maybe people are finally starting to wake up a bit... (wrt the article I just posted). |
| 22:06.31 | JoshH | but going back to the vegas art thing |
| 22:06.34 | ^Migs^ | mheath, you didn't have to sign a permission slip or anything, did you? |
| 22:06.47 | JoshH | a lot of those parents, and even some residents who had no kids in the school, tried to prevent ANY of the students from going |
| 22:07.00 | JoshH | because being in vegas is against their own morals |
| 22:07.00 | Bradipo | And I would have to agree with levi, parents definitely need to accept more responsibility. |
| 22:07.45 | JoshH | parents need to have all the responsibility |
| 22:07.56 | JoshH | it shouldn't be a schools job to censor movies for students |
| 22:08.32 | JoshH | if a parent has a problem with R rated moives, that parent should ask the teacher if he plans on showing any R rated movies |
| 22:08.35 | Bradipo | JoshH: Indeed, but we are talking about public education here... |
| 22:08.39 | JoshH | and make sure his kid stays home on those days |
| 22:09.24 | Bradipo | Where most parents have surrendered their ability to even be involved, indeed, are restricted by government to not be involved: http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff41.html |
| 22:09.26 | brac | [Dad, I Got a 'C' in Sex by Michael S. Rozeff] |
| 22:09.26 | JoshH | public schools shouldn't base their class film decisions on what some parents find inappropriate |
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| 22:09.44 | JoshH | educational value should be the only factor |
| 22:10.34 | Bradipo | JoshH: Schools shouldn't be a function of the government. Private schooling can do for education, what UPS/Fedex did for mail. |
| 22:11.15 | Bradipo | In addition to separation of church and state, we need separation of education and state. |
| 22:11.39 | JoshH | i agree |
| 22:11.42 | ^Migs^ | the teacher should actually notify parents of ALL movies he/she plans on showing |
| 22:11.59 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Key operating word here: should. |
| 22:12.03 | JoshH | why? if parents care about what movies are to be shown, they can get off their lazy butts and ask |
| 22:12.04 | ^Migs^ | then provide permission slips |
| 22:12.25 | ^Migs^ | many parents find it odd that Hollywood movies are even being watched in classrooms |
| 22:12.26 | levi | The teacher should probably prepare lessons instead of showing movies. :) |
| 22:12.47 | ^Migs^ | and thus, they wouldn't think of such a thing. No, the responsibility should fall to the teacher, when he presents the syllabus. |
| 22:12.52 | ^Migs^ | do HS teachers even have syllabi? |
| 22:13.00 | SpecialZ | I don't see how an easily measurable profit/growth model maps to qualitative values gained in education. |
| 22:13.29 | JoshH | ^Migs^: what about health/anatomy textbooks, should students get permission slips before being issued one of those? |
| 22:13.40 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: If this were a school setup with a contract, and they violated that contract, the parent could easily sue the school for breach of the same. Not so with public school. Worst case, someone loses votes and gets reshuffled in the bureaucratic maze. |
| 22:13.44 | ^Migs^ | they do, JoshH |
| 22:13.58 | JoshH | i don't recall having to get permission for mine |
| 22:14.03 | JoshH | but i admit my memory is fuzzy |
| 22:14.10 | ^Migs^ | especially with sex ed |
| 22:14.18 | ^Migs^ | I've always had mixed feelings about sex ed in schools |
| 22:14.27 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: Those schools that produced the best students would win out. Just like companies that produce the best goods. |
| 22:15.02 | SpecialZ | Bradipo: How do you measure the best students? Standardized tests? |
| 22:15.06 | JoshH | ^Migs^: mixed feelings about whether sex ed should exist, or whether sex ed should be "abstinence only", or what? |
| 22:15.11 | SpecialZ | Best at what? |
| 22:15.16 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: How does anything get measured in the market place? |
| 22:15.23 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: How do we know what the best tires are? |
| 22:15.31 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: How do we know what the best food is? |
| 22:15.52 | ^Migs^ | whether it should exist, whether it's appropriately taught at the appropriate times, abstinence only, etc. |
| 22:15.52 | SpecialZ | most people buy the cheapest unless there is something wrong with it. |
| 22:15.56 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: Indeed, it would most likely be the schools that meet the needs of the parents/students best. |
| 22:16.04 | ^Migs^ | it's a purely cultural deal, and even within the state of Utah there's different suitability |
| 22:16.08 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: That's because there is a competitive market for most goods. |
| 22:16.09 | JoshH | i'm not sure if it should exist or not, but if it does exist, it definitely shouldn't be abstinence only |
| 22:16.13 | JoshH | because what good does that do |
| 22:16.16 | JoshH | what education is there in that |
| 22:16.22 | Bradipo | Where competition exists, prices tend to decrease over time. |
| 22:16.32 | ^Migs^ | generally because kids are naive |
| 22:16.50 | SpecialZ | For both threads of conversation, there's a sizeable group of parents who don't care |
| 22:17.01 | ^Migs^ | I'm not even sure how much sex ed actually TEACHES kids |
| 22:17.09 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: Either they decrease or the product improves, i.e. the buying power goes up. |
| 22:17.14 | JoshH | it taught me about various STD's, what they do, how they are spread, etc |
| 22:17.20 | JoshH | it taught me about how pregnancy works |
| 22:17.21 | ^Migs^ | yeah, same here |
| 22:17.23 | JoshH | stuff like that |
| 22:17.29 | JoshH | it wasn't like "this is how you do it doggystyle" |
| 22:17.32 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: This is true. And they can be as indifferent as they like, as long as I don't have to pay for their indifference. |
| 22:17.34 | ^Migs^ | I never really learned about how pregnancy works until my wife got married |
| 22:17.34 | SpecialZ | ^Migs^: I'm pretty sure it taught me sex is oaky if you use a condom |
| 22:17.36 | ^Migs^ | er |
| 22:17.39 | ^Migs^ | until my wife had a baby |
| 22:17.49 | JoshH | SpecialZ: you mean it taught you that condoms reduce the risk of an STD? that is a fact actually. |
| 22:17.49 | ^Migs^ | I think I learned that too, SpecialZ |
| 22:18.02 | ^Migs^ | it's an enormously touchy subject in the U.S. |
| 22:18.20 | SpecialZ | JoshH: No, I'm pretty sure I meant what I said. |
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| 22:18.27 | JoshH | what school did you go to? |
| 22:18.42 | SpecialZ | Redwood HS, Larkspur, CA |
| 22:18.45 | JoshH | and do you feel it is a school's responsibility to tell you that sex is "not ok"? |
| 22:19.12 | ^Migs^ | I don't think it is actually, JoshH. That's not really what they say, though. |
| 22:19.18 | JoshH | if your teacher simply said sex is ok as long as you use a condom, then it was probably a pretty worthless class. |
| 22:19.18 | ^Migs^ | I think what they do is ENCOURAGE abstinence |
| 22:19.21 | Bradipo | JoshH: Depends. Are we talking public schools or private schools? :-) |
| 22:19.28 | JoshH | public |
| 22:19.44 | ^Migs^ | there's numerous benefits to abstinence, after all |
| 22:19.47 | ^Migs^ | :D |
| 22:20.14 | Bradipo | Public schools should be answerable to the public, however, at least one recent case shows that public schools can do whatever they want, regardless... |
| 22:20.36 | ^Migs^ | teenagers are generally not emotionally or hormonally equipped to handle the effects of a sex relationship in our society |
| 22:20.42 | Bradipo | See the link I posted earlier where a judge ruled that it was okay to administer a sex related test to 7--10 year olds... |
| 22:20.54 | ^Migs^ | they can handle them, but not as well as a mature adult typically would. Perhaps that's too general of a statement. |
| 22:21.19 | ^Migs^ | could you repost the link, Bradipo? |
| 22:21.26 | Bradipo | http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff41.html |
| 22:21.27 | brac | [Dad, I Got a 'C' in Sex by Michael S. Rozeff] |
| 22:21.29 | SpecialZ | No, but what frequently happens is the personal philosophies of the state curriculum, mixed with those of the school board as interpreted by those of the teacher get transmitted to the student. |
| 22:21.30 | JoshH | ^Migs^: that may be true, but that doesn't mean that a sex ed class shouldn't give them the information they need to be safe, if they do decide to experiment with sex |
| 22:21.43 | ^Migs^ | I agree, JoshH |
| 22:22.03 | JoshH | for example, i wouldn't want my own son or daughter to have sex at a young age, but if they did do it behind my back, i wouldn't want them to know nothing about condoms |
| 22:22.12 | ^Migs^ | true |
| 22:22.16 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Specifically, they asked questions regarding how they (children of 7--10) felt about touching private parts, whether or not they thought about having sex, etc... |
| 22:22.23 | JoshH | of course, i won't rely on a school to teach them how to be safe though |
| 22:22.24 | ^Migs^ | I wish it was ethical to implant GPS trackers in your kids |
| 22:22.40 | JoshH | Bradipo: was it just some kind of study or what? |
| 22:22.49 | Bradipo | JoshH: Not really. |
| 22:23.06 | ScytheBlade1 | buhahaha, PPP data connection over my phone |
| 22:23.10 | Bradipo | JoshH: Yes and no. |
| 22:23.29 | Bradipo | It was some undergrad who had been given permission by the public school system to administer a test. |
| 22:23.35 | Bradipo | Or even a graduate, I don't recall now. |
| 22:23.46 | Bradipo | But a few parents found out about the test and sued the school. |
| 22:23.48 | Bradipo | They lost. |
| 22:24.17 | ^Migs^ | oh, that's a good link, Bradipo |
| 22:24.30 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Read the court document if you have the time. :-) |
| 22:24.39 | JoshH | i honestly don't see any reason why a test like that shouldn't be allowed |
| 22:24.40 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to |
| 22:24.40 | Bradipo | Very interesting to see what the judge has to say about the whole matter. |
| 22:24.43 | JoshH | if it's just asking questions |
| 22:25.03 | ^Migs^ | does anyone else love reading court documents as much as I do? |
| 22:25.14 | Bradipo | JoshH: Sure, but the point here is that they should have asked the children's parents first. |
| 22:25.22 | ^Migs^ | Migs out |
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| 22:25.29 | JoshH | agreed, they should have |
| 22:25.33 | JoshH | but it's nothing to sue over imo |
| 22:25.38 | Bradipo | How many parents would have sent their kids to school that day if they knew that someone was going to ask them ``how do you feel about touching someone elses private parts?'' |
| 22:25.39 | JoshH | most of the parents probably just wanted easy cash |
| 22:25.39 | SpecialZ | If it's a research experiment, I was under the impression that they needed to have consent forms |
| 22:26.00 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: Exactly. |
| 22:26.08 | Bradipo | SpecialZ: I don't think they presented it as research. |
| 22:26.33 | Bradipo | Its been a while since I read that article, but the point is, they are walking a fine line in some public schools. |
| 22:26.33 | SpecialZ | JoshH: Then they really paid for that easy cash |
| 22:27.02 | JoshH | the kids probably said things like "i think that's gross" |
| 22:28.46 | SpecialZ | We started Sex-ed stuff in 4th grade, about age 10. |
| 22:29.05 | SpecialZ | Given recent discussion here, that may be necessary. |
| 22:29.24 | JoshH | i think my first class was in 8th grade |
| 22:29.30 | JoshH | then another one in 10th |
| 22:29.35 | JoshH | i believe that's standard for utah |
| 22:29.52 | JoshH | but it was more "health" than sex ed, sex ed was only part of it |
| 22:31.24 | SpecialZ | I agree it was health ed, but I also remember a scary AIDS video. |
| 22:31.40 | JoshH | scary in what way |
| 22:34.10 | SpecialZ | Scary as in AIDS would kill me, I don't recall specific details beyond a portrayal of AIDS subverting the immune system, and some emotive fearful response. |
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| 22:54.29 | obfuscated | postgres regex functions are cool |
| 22:54.45 | obfuscated | substring with a regex is powerful |
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| 23:14.50 | maquis | w00t!!!!111 |
| 23:14.55 | maquis | i'm DONE!!11 |
| 23:16.19 | Bradipo | Networking and stats? |
| 23:16.27 | Bradipo | How did they go? |
| 23:20.15 | levi | maquis: Woooot! |
| 23:21.18 | levi | maquis: Congrats. :) |
| 23:21.36 | levi | It's time for me to go to school, study for, and then take a very lame final exam. |
| 23:21.57 | levi | Later, everyone. |
| 23:36.45 | nick125 | fscking damnit |
| 23:36.49 | nick125 | "This system is shutting down. Please save all work in progress and log off" |
| 23:37.00 | nick125 | this is what I get for using windows for 20 minutes |
| 23:43.46 | Bradipo | You can turn off automatic updates... |
| 23:44.12 | nick125 | then it gives that stupid 60 second countdown.. |
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| 23:45.53 | Bradipo | nick125: Isn't that enough time? |
| 23:45.58 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 23:46.11 | nick125 | http://www.mcse.ms/archive183-2005-3-1511612.html < interesting |
| 23:46.12 | brac | [Windows Server - Changing Password via Terminal Services causes Server Reboot (lsas] |
| 23:46.17 | Bradipo | More time than you would get with ``shutdown -r now'' |
| 23:47.35 | Bradipo | My favorite error is when you try to change your password and Windows tells you that by changing your password some of the ``encrypted'' data will no longer be useable. |
| 23:47.55 | Bradipo | And the only way to change it is for the administrator to have created a password changing floppy for the user. |
| 23:49.04 | nick125 | somethings say its sasser, others say its not |
| 23:49.41 | nick125 | the thing is that, for sasser to work, doesn't it have to be below SP2 (on xp) |