| 00:05.19 | emcnabb | Hhhhh: sorry, the DSL modem reset |
| 00:05.31 | Hhhhh | hey |
| 00:05.42 | emcnabb | Hhhhh: it's a Cisco Aironet 340 so the antenna is detachable |
| 00:05.50 | emcnabb | I just don't have an antenna :-) |
| 00:05.54 | Hhhhh | oh, and the antenna is gone? |
| 00:05.57 | Hhhhh | ok |
| 00:06.08 | Hhhhh | I guess you need the antenna to get decent reception, right? |
| 00:06.10 | emcnabb | the signal strength is a bit weak without it |
| 00:06.13 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 00:06.14 | Hhhhh | k |
| 00:06.20 | Hhhhh | how about the other one? |
| 00:06.48 | emcnabb | it's a Linksys WPC11 v2.5 |
| 00:11.42 | QBFreak | its what, 7pm in Utah? |
| 00:12.24 | Hhhhh | 6:12PM |
| 00:12.40 | Hhhhh | emcnabb, how much you asking for that one? |
| 00:13.35 | QBFreak | bah, I misread my watch |
| 00:13.58 | QBFreak | so the bzflag game is smack in the middle of CSI for those of us on EST, how mean |
| 00:14.01 | Hhhhh | QBFreak, obviously that's a conceptual mistake in the UI of your watch |
| 00:14.07 | emcnabb | hum; it looks like you can find them online for about $15 |
| 00:14.25 | Hhhhh | emcnabb, where at, ebay? |
| 00:14.45 | QBFreak | Hhhhh: more like I wasn't paying enough attention at all |
| 00:14.54 | emcnabb | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/B000056SSM/all/ref=dp_olp_2/103-4169922-5301405?%5Fencoding=UTF8 |
| 00:14.56 | brac | [Amazon.com: Used and New: Linksys WPC11 Wireless-B Notebook Adapter] |
| 00:14.58 | QBFreak | rounded waaay up :) |
| 00:15.38 | emcnabb | what's rounded way up? |
| 00:15.52 | QBFreak | the time when I looked at my watch |
| 00:15.53 | QBFreak | never mind |
| 00:16.05 | emcnabb | ah |
| 00:16.21 | emcnabb | that's right; there's BZflag tonight |
| 00:19.45 | QBFreak | in the middle of CSI! |
| 00:19.53 | QBFreak | sorry, but CSI wins for me :) |
| 00:20.12 | amcnabb | Just record it and watch it later. |
| 00:20.40 | amcnabb | Besides, I can already tell you what's going to happen. |
| 00:20.54 | amcnabb | Someone will die, and then they'll catch the bad guy. |
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| 00:46.02 | sjansen | *whimper* |
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| 01:16.28 | emcnabb | ~behead sjansen |
| 01:31.29 | amcnabb | Seagate is going to start making 750 GB hard drives |
| 01:31.30 | amcnabb | http://www.seagate.com/products/personal/barracuda.html |
| 01:31.32 | brac | [Barracuda Hard Drives - Seagate Technology] |
| 01:31.36 | amcnabb | The 7200.10 has been announced. |
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| 01:32.20 | amcnabb | emcnabb, do you want to get me a graduation present? |
| 01:34.08 | emcnabb | no |
| 01:35.24 | amcnabb | With 5 of these in RAID-5, you would have 3 TB. |
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| 01:43.36 | ScytheBlade1 | What's this about bzflag? |
| 01:44.14 | nick125 | bzflag? |
| 01:44.19 | dna3e8 | there is bzflag game hosted by BYULUG but I don't know how to connect to it |
| 01:44.20 | nick125 | I haven't played that in..months |
| 01:44.40 | ScytheBlade1 | phantom2.cs.byu.edu:5154 and 5155(?) |
| 01:44.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks simple enough |
| 01:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ohh, looks fun too |
| 01:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | like "I want to play this at a LAN party" fun |
| 01:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ~ping maquis |
| 01:47.00 | ibot | pong maquis |
| 01:47.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:47.11 | ScytheBlade1 | not the intended effect |
| 01:47.27 | BL4 | lol |
| 01:47.35 | BL4 | ~ping Scytheblade1 |
| 01:47.36 | ibot | pong Scytheblade1 |
| 01:48.06 | BL4 | reading a DNS response by hand is rather boring |
| 01:48.24 | nick125 | lol |
| 01:48.56 | BL4 | i think I just got to the answer section... |
| 01:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Go! Compile bzflag! |
| 01:51.39 | nick125 | I'm trying to fix glibmm real quick |
| 01:51.49 | BL4 | whats bzflag? |
| 01:51.54 | nick125 | game |
| 01:51.58 | BL4 | link? |
| 01:52.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ~google bzflag |
| 01:52.42 | BL4 | lol |
| 01:52.57 | BL4 | sad, no mac version :'( |
| 01:53.14 | ScytheBlade1 | There should be.. |
| 01:53.15 | BL4 | oh ha....google description is outdated |
| 01:53.28 | ScytheBlade1 | "It runs on Irix, Linux, *BSD, Windows, Mac OS X and other platforms." |
| 01:53.34 | BL4 | A multiplayer 3D tank battle for Irix, Linux, Solaris, or Windows. |
| 01:53.34 | nick125 | since mac os x is *supposely* unix, it should work |
| 01:53.43 | BL4 | thats what google said |
| 01:53.45 | BL4 | I was like..... |
| 01:54.00 | BL4 | but then I loaded it...It runs on Irix, Linux, *BSD, Windows, Mac OS X and other platforms. |
| 01:58.06 | dna3e8 | I am playing on os X |
| 01:58.21 | dna3e8 | it is unix |
| 01:58.45 | BL4 | sometimes no... |
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| 02:01.56 | tensai | elg: do I have to have a gmail account to sign up? |
| 02:02.16 | nick125 | bzflag is compiling |
| 02:02.18 | nick125 | go go go!! |
| 02:02.49 | elg | tensai: you don't need one to be on the list |
| 02:03.00 | elg | whether you can subscribe yourself without a gmail account I don't know |
| 02:03.10 | tensai | elg: it doesn't appear so |
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| 02:04.25 | tensai | elg: you wanna just have joe subscribe me? |
| 02:07.11 | dna3e8 | I am tring to play bzFlag. I have found the source forage site but I don't know wich file to download (I am runnig clusterknoppix (debian)) ? |
| 02:07.43 | nick125 | still...compiling...getting...annoying... |
| 02:08.25 | BL4 | ~compile nick125 |
| 02:08.40 | BL4 | ibot has nothing to say....how sad... |
| 02:08.42 | nick125 | I wonder if gcc 4.2 is faster.. |
| 02:10.00 | dna3e8 | nick125: what file 'package' should I download, how do i know? |
| 02:11.36 | nick125 | wewt..bzflag is installed |
| 02:11.48 | nick125 | try apt-getting it? |
| 02:12.10 | nick125 | or get the .deb file.. |
| 02:12.14 | nick125 | what server?? |
| 02:12.21 | nick125 | what server are we playing ? :D |
| 02:12.53 | dna3e8 | phantom2.cs.byu.ed: |
| 02:13.01 | dna3e8 | 5154 |
| 02:13.54 | BL4 | phantom2.cs.byu.ed? or is that edu |
| 02:14.05 | dna3e8 | just type apt-get bzflag? (.edu) |
| 02:14.33 | BL4 | wish I could play, I gotta finish reading my dns record...how boring |
| 02:14.48 | BL4 | not to mention, it might take till next year for me to download |
| 02:28.59 | tensai | ~mutilate elg |
| 02:29.01 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a carving knife and turns elg into confetti |
| 02:29.56 | BL4 | ~ping ibot |
| 02:29.57 | ibot | pong ibot |
| 02:31.37 | elg | my piano arrived, hooray |
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| 02:34.32 | findlay | ~lart elg's piano |
| 02:35.40 | findlay | ~make nick125 |
| 02:35.41 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `nick125'. Stop. |
| 02:36.52 | BL4 | ~make money |
| 02:36.53 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `money'. Stop. |
| 02:36.58 | BL4 | dah... |
| 02:37.26 | tensai | elg: is this it? http://vrsear.com/int/pic/X/01.jpg |
| 02:37.44 | elg | haha |
| 02:37.53 | findlay | elg: what kind of piano? |
| 02:38.27 | elg | http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/SR18/sr18.html |
| 02:38.29 | brac | [USDA Nutrient Database for Standard Reference, Release 18] |
| 02:38.31 | elg | er, |
| 02:38.33 | elg | http://www.woodbrass.com/images/woodbrass/YAMAHA+P70.JPG |
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| 02:39.28 | findlay | how much? |
| 02:39.38 | elg | 600 |
| 02:39.49 | findlay | MIDI? |
| 02:41.04 | elg | yes |
| 02:41.28 | nick125 | stupid thing went out of fullscreen |
| 02:41.30 | nick125 | :/ |
| 02:41.30 | findlay | haha |
| 02:41.46 | findlay | I'd play, but then I'd have to emerge nvidia dirvers too |
| 02:41.51 | findlay | and I don't want to |
| 02:42.32 | findlay | besides I never got the 64bit(+network?) issues resolved |
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| 02:49.24 | xbmodder_lappy | ~make help |
| 02:49.25 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `help'. Stop. |
| 02:49.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ~make all |
| 02:49.29 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. |
| 02:49.33 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart me |
| 02:50.59 | nick125 | lol |
| 02:51.13 | nick125 | you got owned |
| 02:51.16 | nick125 | by yourself |
| 02:53.05 | BL4 | ~owned nick125 |
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| 03:29.28 | dna3e8 | were is a good apt-get source for debian, I keep getitng stuff in german? |
| 03:33.11 | ScytheBlade1 | That was rather entertaining |
| 03:33.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Remind me to play more |
| 03:36.52 | dna3e8 | I keep getting german worning in shell, how/where do I change it? |
| 03:37.01 | dna3e8 | *warrning |
| 03:37.36 | findlay | ~remind ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:43.48 | mheath_ | I feel rather ripped off |
| 03:43.51 | mheath_ | ~lart Wendy's |
| 03:44.04 | mheath_ | I like Frosties |
| 03:44.16 | mheath_ | So, today, after work I go through their drive threw |
| 03:44.33 | mheath_ | and they're advertising the mixxed frosties |
| 03:44.44 | mheath_ | I get oreo - I mean, after all, its the same price as a large frosty, and it sounds yummy |
| 03:44.48 | mheath_ | What do I get? |
| 03:45.14 | mheath_ | A very small portion of frozen frosty (been sitting in the cup in a freezer; not out of their machine), and a small packet of oreo cookies. |
| 03:48.07 | dna3e8 | what! |
| 03:49.29 | mheath_ | Indeed. |
| 03:49.45 | dna3e8 | I would almost call the manager |
| 03:51.49 | dna3e8 | I am trying to find a good debain repository (for apt-get) an favorates out there? |
| 03:52.39 | mheath_ | dna3e8, I use ubuntu, and I find the ubuntu repositories to be quite nice...... |
| 03:52.46 | mheath_ | not sure how that would work with Debian though |
| 03:52.56 | mheath_ | if you run sid, I imagine it would be OK |
| 03:53.24 | dna3e8 | mheath: sid? (probebly ove rmy head... |
| 03:53.35 | mheath_ | I think thats what it is.... |
| 03:53.39 | mheath_ | I'm not a Debian user |
| 03:53.44 | mheath_ | But Ubuntu is based off of debian |
| 03:54.01 | mheath_ | I think Sid is the debian release that its based off of (meaning it has the highest level of compatability with) |
| 03:55.02 | dna3e8 | I am using knoppix (based off debian too) I suspect the german I keep finding is since I am using the default repository. |
| 03:55.34 | dna3e8 | mheath: is Sid a repository? |
| 03:57.50 | mheath_ | I called Wendy's customer support line |
| 03:58.07 | mheath_ | dna3e8, not...really. |
| 03:58.37 | mheath_ | I gave them my e-mail address....maybe I'll get a coupon or two :) |
| 04:01.14 | mheath_ | dna3e8, just ignore what I said. At your experience level, you'd likely break something trying to use ubuntu repos. It was an idle comment, anyway - not particularly well thought out or serios. |
| 04:02.13 | mheath_ | Good evening RyanE |
| 04:02.37 | mheath_ | lmao |
| 04:02.39 | mheath_ | I just realized |
| 04:02.59 | mheath_ | I refused to give the Wendy's Customer Suggestion Line person my name |
| 04:03.05 | mheath_ | But she asked for my e-mail, and I gave that to her |
| 04:03.09 | mheath_ | Mike.Thomas.Heath@gmail.com |
| 04:03.14 | mheath_ | So much for anonymity of my name :) |
| 04:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:04.52 | mheath_ | I dunno |
| 04:05.05 | mheath_ | I got tired of aliases and such |
| 04:05.20 | mheath_ | I'm not paranoid, I don't see any reason for absolute anonymity |
| 04:05.53 | mheath_ | http://usmcgeek.blogspot.com/ |
| 04:05.54 | mheath_ | :) |
| 04:05.54 | brac | [Loose Bits] |
| 04:11.19 | nick125 | http://atarack.com/~ndevito/bg1.jpg < aint it awesome? |
| 04:11.45 | mheath_ | You know |
| 04:11.56 | mheath_ | I love how the Wendy's lady told me my complaint would be forwarded to "upper management' |
| 04:12.10 | mheath_ | Yeah, I'm sure that the 16 year old from Utah calling about the frosty is their top priority! |
| 04:12.58 | mheath_ | nick125: nice. Your work kind of reminds me of some stuff a friend of mine from school did. |
| 04:15.56 | nick125 | I love the colors of it.. |
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| 04:19.27 | nick125 | It looks awesome as a background too.. |
| 04:20.26 | mheath_ | I've never cared for dark backgrounds much |
| 04:20.28 | mheath_ | But it is nice |
| 04:20.31 | BL4 | mwa ha ha ha ha ha, I finished parsing a DNS record |
| 04:21.38 | mheath_ | ..... |
| 04:21.57 | mheath_ | I'm not sure I understand that? |
| 04:21.58 | BL4 | I had to get an MX record mheath_...there isn't a native call to get it right off the bat. |
| 04:22.10 | BL4 | so I had to parse the record out of the little bits and what not |
| 04:22.17 | BL4 | so I could actually use it |
| 04:22.40 | mheath_ | Ok.. |
| 04:23.05 | BL4 | ~party ibot |
| 04:23.19 | BL4 | humf.. |
| 04:23.23 | BL4 | ~make ibot |
| 04:23.24 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `ibot'. Stop. |
| 04:23.43 | BL4 | ~lart ibot |
| 04:23.48 | mheath_ | ~literal make $foo |
| 04:23.50 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `$foo'. Stop. |
| 04:24.17 | BL4 | ~eat ibot |
| 04:24.20 | ibot | ACTION eats ibot and falls over dead |
| 04:32.54 | mheath_ | ibot, yep, that would do it. |
| 04:33.19 | BL4 | can't believe he stapled my foot to the floor |
| 04:36.38 | mheath_ | "Five teenage boys accused of plotting a shotting rampage at their high school on the anniversary of the Columbine massacre were arrested Thursday after.....' |
| 04:36.49 | mheath_ | On the anneversary of the Columbine massacre? |
| 04:37.05 | mheath_ | What, we have wannabe muderous rampagers now? |
| 04:38.07 | BL4 | well, there are a lot of wanna be hitlers around....so wannabes have been around for quite some time |
| 04:38.20 | maquis | stupid wannabes |
| 04:38.48 | RyanE | you prefer the non-wannabe murderous rampagers? |
| 04:39.14 | BL4 | um, I prefer ppl who don't like rampages |
| 04:39.24 | RyanE | not even coding rampages? |
| 04:39.37 | BL4 | mm, well, I did go on a rampage tonight... |
| 04:39.41 | BL4 | coding rampagers are cool |
| 04:39.59 | BL4 | I meant like with weapons and uzis...and napalms, etc... |
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| 04:40.51 | RyanE | startx |
| 04:40.53 | RyanE | hehe |
| 04:40.55 | RyanE | wrong keyboard |
| 04:41.15 | BL4 | hmmm, my terminal just crashed...so I think I'm gonna watch me some south park |
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| 04:48.11 | RyanE | kat_m30w |
| 04:48.15 | RyanE | hehe |
| 04:49.18 | dilvie | like ambient music? |
| 04:49.29 | dilvie | http://www.knobtweakers.net/2006/04/marconi-union.html <-- Just posted.. please let me know if you see any errors. |
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| 05:14.29 | xbmodder_lappy | What do you think about this web template for a replacement to atarack.com's: http://openwebdesign.org/viewdesign.phtml?id=2721&referer=%2Fmost_popular.phtml |
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| 05:21.13 | BL4 | its alright I suppose |
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| 05:42.26 | dilvie | I like that design. |
| 05:42.38 | dilvie | I haven't looked at the code, though. |
| 05:44.53 | BL4 | ha ha ha...I got a bus error |
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| 06:02.31 | QBFreak | bah |
| 06:03.06 | QBFreak | anyone know what to do with a copy of office XP that has been activated once and the system has since been reinstalled? |
| 06:03.29 | QBFreak | trying to fix a friends computer, got XP reinstalled, firewall set up, office is all thats left |
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| 06:11.14 | BL4 | ahh...the quartly windows reinstall? |
| 06:11.27 | nick125 | haha |
| 06:11.45 | BL4 | I did it daily for a while when I had windows98 |
| 06:12.00 | BL4 | somehow I had the nack to $%#% up my machine |
| 06:12.07 | BL4 | I even crash my Mac sometimes |
| 06:12.18 | BL4 | today, I killed finder somehow... |
| 06:13.02 | nick125 | nice.. |
| 06:13.28 | BL4 | they told me that Macs where so stable...so the first day I had one I caused a kernel panic.... |
| 06:13.42 | BL4 | ~diff single |
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| 06:15.59 | RyanE | howdy |
| 06:16.09 | BL4 | howdy RyanE |
| 06:16.54 | RyanE | howdy BL4. I was really saying howdy to herlo, since he's playing with his IRC client. |
| 06:16.58 | RyanE | but howdy anyway... :) |
| 06:17.03 | hell-ro | hi RyanE |
| 06:17.13 | hell-ro | but right now I am hell-ro |
| 06:17.20 | RyanE | yeah, whatevers |
| 06:17.56 | BL4 | lol |
| 06:20.08 | hell-ro | I can't see anything |
| 06:20.18 | RyanE | anything? |
| 06:20.25 | hell-ro | nope |
| 06:20.47 | RyanE | well, you seem to see this one and #uphpu fine. |
| 06:21.03 | hell-ro | yeah |
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| 06:28.55 | hell-ro | so who am I now? |
| 06:29.02 | RyanE | hell-ro. |
| 06:29.50 | RyanE | so, how did you come to be herlo, anyway? |
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| 06:34.39 | maquis | -lart ibot |
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| 07:35.29 | xbmodder_lappy | hey TheDiff |
| 07:35.31 | xbmodder_lappy | sup |
| 07:35.43 | TheDiff | sup |
| 07:36.01 | xbmodder_lappy | not much... |
| 07:36.11 | xbmodder_lappy | the weather in california has warmen up |
| 07:36.30 | xbmodder_lappy | We kick utah's ass in weather |
| 07:36.38 | xbmodder_lappy | wait.. crap.. |
| 07:37.04 | xbmodder_lappy | thunderstorm |
| 07:37.12 | xbmodder_lappy | today and tommorow |
| 07:40.51 | BL4 | yay, 300 + lines of code today |
| 07:41.56 | BL4 | I suppose thats it for the day, night all |
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| 09:38.16 | xbmodder_lappy | No one here would happen to be selling a serial dumb terminal? |
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| 12:05.45 | maquis | :( |
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| 12:26.36 | maquis | 7am finals should just be destroyed |
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| 12:53.13 | mheath_ | xbmodder_lappy, all of my terminals are quite smart, thanks. |
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| 13:35.23 | ^Migs^ | last night my wife was at Wal-Mart in the baby aisle, and she heard some girl and her mother walking around looking at baby clothes. The girl said, "Ooooooo! This is sooooo cute! I can't believe I'm pregnant!" And the mother responded, "Well, calm down. You're only 12." |
| 13:35.52 | ^Migs^ | So she followed them around a little longer and heard other choice gems from the girl's mouth like, "I'm glad Daddy didn't get mad when I told him I'm pregnant" and talking about some boy and saying, "I'm not even sure he's the father." |
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| 14:03.37 | griffeymac | Good morning, folks. |
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| 14:16.09 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon |
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| 15:25.43 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:26.16 | vontrapp | hmm, how would one do a mapping of regex to value? |
| 15:26.19 | fungus | Blue cheese. |
| 15:27.11 | ^Migs^ | what's the difference between a Master of Computer Science degree and a Master of Science in Computer Science degree? |
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| 15:28.42 | sjansen | ^Migs^: I'm guessing the difference is the University that awarded it. |
| 15:29.01 | sjansen | Probably different political boundaries. |
| 15:29.11 | ^Migs^ | it sounds like an excuse to offer different coursework, really |
| 15:29.14 | ^Migs^ | kind of nice |
| 15:32.02 | elg | Bradipo: be sure to weigh in on the forged return address thread on plug |
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| 15:34.35 | sjansen | http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506l |
| 15:34.37 | sjansen | http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 |
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| 15:38.04 | dataw0lf | sjansen: Wow, Linus really lays into the Mach guys. |
| 15:38.14 | sjansen | yeah |
| 15:40.01 | elg | i don't have time to parse that whole poorly-written thing. what's the gist? |
| 15:40.06 | elg | looks like linus doesn't like COW? |
| 15:40.07 | elg | is he insane? |
| 15:43.14 | Bradipo | elg: Checking... |
| 15:43.17 | sjansen | linus doesn't like COW when your objective is insane speed, because page table maintenance for COW kills any gains you might get from zero copy |
| 15:43.44 | elg | insane speed? |
| 15:44.53 | sjansen | working on that part, something to do with new system calls he's proposing |
| 15:45.30 | sjansen | (just paraphrasing his characterization, you really should just read it yourself, won't take more than 10 minutes) |
| 15:45.33 | elg | i can certainly agree that COW would not be universally applicable |
| 15:46.03 | elg | just sounds like kerneltrap is trying to spin it as "Linus hates COW! Everyone take COW out of the kernel!" |
| 15:46.08 | elg | but I didn't read it, really |
| 15:46.48 | sjansen | no, kerneltrap is spinning it as Linus things FreeBSD/Mach developers are morons |
| 15:46.58 | elg | ah yes |
| 15:47.21 | elg | because they use COW? :) or because they propose to use COW in this hypothetical insane speed environment... |
| 15:49.16 | elg | linu[sx] has had some incredibly stupid things in the kernel historically, that doesn't make him a raving idiot or a moron |
| 15:49.30 | elg | s/ historically/ historically by today's standards/ |
| 15:52.04 | BL4 | so, where is this article? |
| 15:52.55 | dataw0lf | http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 |
| 15:53.01 | Supaplex | on the public ipv4 network |
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| 16:01.21 | BL4 | thanks for the link dataw0lf |
| 16:04.07 | maquis | w00t! |
| 16:04.17 | maquis | 1 down, 3 to go |
| 16:08.24 | ^Migs^ | http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2298/umwtf3yn.jpg |
| 16:09.19 | maquis | lol |
| 16:12.23 | BL4 | I think its funny people want to protect the English language....how else do you think we got here...by protecting it? |
| 16:13.51 | ^Migs^ | it's true. Some people's emphasis on so-called "proper grammar" is quite misplaced. |
| 16:14.10 | ^Migs^ | after all, I don't constantly yell and scream at how much the Brits have screwed up the English language |
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| 16:17.14 | BL4 | most of the world likes to cling to the old...and fear the new... |
| 16:18.02 | dataw0lf | BL4: no problem. |
| 16:25.22 | findlay | is that why we still use typewriters to interface with our computers? |
| 16:25.33 | BL4 | yeah, the keyboards are poorly designed |
| 16:25.42 | BL4 | we could type a lot faster if they rearranged the keys |
| 16:26.12 | BL4 | they designed the typerwriter to slow down the typist to keep it from jamming |
| 16:26.12 | findlay | I mean by stringing up characters to communicate with computers |
| 16:26.12 | fungus | Many people already have rearranged the keys. |
| 16:26.18 | fungus | ~google dvorak keyboard |
| 16:27.43 | BL4 | I need to get me one of those |
| 16:28.37 | BL4 | it'll be like walking all over again |
| 16:29.29 | findlay | my roomates just switch the keymap |
| 16:29.36 | findlay | I think you can do it that way |
| 16:29.47 | sjansen | At the same rate, some things just make you look stupid or immature. l33t speak is one of them. |
| 16:30.00 | findlay | ha |
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| 16:34.12 | dataw0lf | sjansen: or having l33t in your nick.... |
| 16:35.13 | BL4 | lol |
| 16:35.33 | BL4 | yeah, I'm just saying...even though its sad...English is headed that way in some sense |
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| 16:39.23 | maquis | ?? |
| 16:39.29 | elg | -lart maquis |
| 16:39.44 | maquis | -lart elg |
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| 16:40.03 | {-} | dataw0lf: I'm too cool for my nick, too cool for my nick, so cool it hurts. |
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| 16:40.49 | dataw0lf | {-}: hehe |
| 16:41.07 | [-] | dang what was my nickserv passwd... |
| 16:41.08 | dna3e8 | {-}: |
| 16:41.22 | gandalfxviv | I'm so confused. |
| 16:41.43 | {-} | ~lameometer {-} |
| 16:42.02 | dataw0lf | ~lameometer dataw0lf |
| 16:42.14 | dataw0lf | oh, I disagree ibot. |
| 16:42.30 | dataw0lf | if you recognized the 'data' & 'wolf' combo, I think you'd raise it quite a bit. |
| 16:43.30 | gandalfxviv | ~lameometer gandalfxviv |
| 16:43.37 | gandalfxviv | yay! |
| 16:43.40 | BL4 | lol |
| 16:43.52 | BL4 | ~lameometer BL4 |
| 16:43.58 | fungus | ROFL |
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| 16:44.15 | BL4 | -eat ibot |
| 16:44.42 | BL4 | sad, it did it yesterday...oh well... |
| 16:44.50 | ECS | ~lameometer SpecialK' |
| 16:45.00 | BL4 | -eat ibot |
| 16:45.07 | maquis | -lart ECS |
| 16:45.21 | ECS | ~lamoemeter maquis |
| 16:45.22 | maquis | ~lameometer markl |
| 16:45.25 | maquis | er |
| 16:45.37 | maquis | ~lameometer maquis |
| 16:45.46 | maquis | w00t-age! |
| 16:45.50 | BL4 | ~lameometer ibot |
| 16:46.56 | ECS | that algorithm needs to be fixed |
| 16:46.56 | BL4 | ~lameometer QBFreak |
| 16:50.57 | ^Migs^ | ~lameometer Migs |
| 16:51.01 | ^Migs^ | ~lameometer ^Migs^ |
| 16:51.08 | ^Migs^ | :( |
| 16:51.24 | ^Migs^ | ~lameometer w00t-age |
| 16:51.47 | ^Migs^ | ~lameometer _____ |
| 16:53.39 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 16:53.41 | findlay | ~nickometer ~!@#$%^&*()_+|{}:"<>?/.,';][\=-` |
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| 17:00.01 | dataw0lf | trogdor! |
| 17:01.21 | dataw0lf | anyone know the name of the tea at some chinese places that is both hot and cold? |
| 17:01.44 | dataw0lf | they pour hot and cold tea in two layers? |
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| 17:20.34 | herlo | who |
| 17:24.51 | sjansen | where |
| 17:25.33 | emcnabb | dataw0lf: I've never heard of that |
| 17:26.35 | dataw0lf | emcnabb: it's really good stuff. |
| 17:26.40 | dataw0lf | I've never had it outside Germany, however. |
| 17:27.49 | findlay | why |
| 17:40.28 | maquis | dataw0lf: i've never seen that either.... |
| 17:40.45 | maquis | but i don't really drink the tea at chinese places... |
| 17:40.58 | maquis | it's not bubble tea, is it? |
| 17:44.56 | ^Migs^ | I highly recommend Chicken Quesadilla Pasta Roni. |
| 17:45.02 | ^Migs^ | it's considerably better than it sounds |
| 17:45.11 | ^Migs^ | especially if you add some extra chicken with a dash of paprika |
| 17:46.23 | ^Migs^ | me too, and I just ate |
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| 17:47.28 | emcnabb | ~lart amcnabb |
| 17:47.34 | maquis | -lart emcnabb |
| 17:50.07 | amcnabb | Sounds like a busy morning for everyone. |
| 17:51.45 | ^Migs^ | I told my friend about my wife seeing the 12 year-old pregnant girl last night, and he asked, "Was she hot?" then a discussion ensued about how it's not so much about the age but the looks. My wife found the Trillian logs to this and asked him, "So if you saw a hot 5 year-old, would you be on board?" and he, thinking it was me, said, "If she looked like Jennifer Lopez, hell ya!" |
| 17:51.56 | ^Migs^ | I don't think he's allowed around my kids anymore |
| 17:52.15 | maquis | 12-year-old pregnant girl? that's horribly sad! |
| 17:52.27 | ^Migs^ | I mentioned it earlier. Repost. |
| 17:52.27 | ^Migs^ | last night my wife was at Wal-Mart in the baby aisle, and she heard some girl and her mother walking around looking at baby clothes. The girl said, "Ooooooo! This is sooooo cute! I can't believe I'm pregnant!" And the mother responded, "Well, calm down. You're only 12." |
| 17:52.32 | ^Migs^ | So she followed them around a little longer and heard other choice gems from the girl's mouth like, "I'm glad Daddy didn't get mad when I told him I'm pregnant" and talking about some boy and saying, "I'm not even sure he's the father." |
| 17:52.51 | maquis | gah! |
| 17:52.56 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 17:52.57 | ^Migs^ | yes, it is sad. My wife says the mom was excited about it, too. |
| 17:52.59 | griffeymac | Holey moley. |
| 17:52.59 | ^Migs^ | WHITE TRASH. |
| 17:53.23 | ^Migs^ | the girl was just running around all the store, holding up clothes and rubbing her belly excitedly |
| 17:53.37 | griffeymac | Eh, she'll change her tune soon enough.... |
| 17:53.52 | maquis | man |
| 17:53.53 | ^Migs^ | i know. It's just depressing, though. |
| 17:54.10 | jlp_work | my daughter is 12. that would freak me out |
| 17:54.17 | maquis | and i know girls who are 20 and having kids, and feel too young and inexperienced |
| 17:54.31 | maquis | jlp_work: you pobably wouldn't handle it quite as "well" as this girl's dad? :) |
| 17:54.54 | jlp_work | well, I wouldn't disown her or anything like that, but the boy would have a lot of 'splainin' to do |
| 17:55.00 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:55.15 | jlp_work | and may end up without certain vital parts of his anatomy |
| 17:55.24 | ^Migs^ | they don't know which boy it is though |
| 17:55.30 | jlp_work | yeah, there was that |
| 17:55.30 | ^Migs^ | I guess you could just take them all out |
| 17:55.36 | maquis | ^Migs^: in which case, i'd say deal with them all? |
| 17:55.38 | ^Migs^ | heh |
| 17:55.43 | jlp_work | absolutely |
| 17:55.45 | maquis | because all of them have a lot of explaining to do |
| 17:55.52 | maquis | s/?/!/ |
| 17:55.57 | Jayce^ | shotgun and a shovel.. . that's the answer |
| 17:55.58 | ^Migs^ | I was going to go to Antelope Island with this friend on the weekend, too |
| 17:56.08 | ^Migs^ | i don't know if I want to go anymore. He's such an idiot. |
| 17:56.51 | ^Migs^ | I know he's not being serious (OR IS HE?) because I know him too well, and he likes to say things to everyone to get a rise out of them. My sister's the same way. But my wife is the kind of person who believes there's truth to every 'joke' someone says. |
| 17:57.15 | ^Migs^ | so, like I said, he's not welcome around my kids anymore |
| 17:57.21 | jlp_work | well, your wife could probably do with a chill pill, but it sounds like your friend is kind of a pod, too |
| 17:57.31 | ^Migs^ | well, no, I understand. |
| 17:57.39 | ^Migs^ | It was a pretty interesting discussion. |
| 17:57.43 | jlp_work | I can imagine |
| 17:57.45 | maquis | i dunno |
| 17:57.45 | ^Migs^ | yes, he's quite the moron |
| 17:57.51 | maquis | i kinda side with your wife ^Migs^ |
| 17:57.55 | ^Migs^ | I do too |
| 17:57.55 | jlp_work | I just can't see my daughter's friends as "hot", though |
| 17:58.00 | jlp_work | no matter how cute they are |
| 17:58.03 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 17:58.12 | ^Migs^ | I suppose I could see them growing up to be "hot" |
| 17:58.14 | ^Migs^ | erm |
| 17:58.16 | ^Migs^ | never mind |
| 17:58.36 | ^Migs^ | I suddenly feel really dirty from saying that |
| 17:58.44 | BL4 | lol |
| 17:59.16 | maquis | lol |
| 18:02.34 | jlp_work | well, that put a damper on the conversation, ^Migs^ |
| 18:02.43 | maquis | so... |
| 18:02.44 | maquis | :) |
| 18:03.08 | jlp_work | maquis guesses correctly |
| 18:03.11 | maquis | yeah |
| 18:03.16 | jlp_work | how'd the game go last night? |
| 18:03.23 | maquis | jlp_work: went pretty well |
| 18:03.25 | maquis | tons of fun |
| 18:03.42 | maquis | i'm addicted, i think |
| 18:03.42 | jlp_work | my nephew's |
| 18:03.52 | maquis | i'm ok as long as i go a while without playing |
| 18:04.00 | maquis | but... |
| 18:04.01 | maquis | :) |
| 18:12.32 | ^Migs^ | what game? |
| 18:16.00 | jlp_work | bzflag |
| 18:16.43 | jlp_work | it's based on the old "bz" game from SGI, if you remember "battle zone" in the arcades you'll have a pretty good idea |
| 18:16.50 | jlp_work | but it's multi-player |
| 18:21.29 | maquis | bzflag..... |
| 18:21.38 | maquis | mmmmm... |
| 18:29.31 | ^Migs^ | sweet |
| 18:40.29 | sjansen | &^%$&^% |
| 18:44.57 | maquis | sjansen: what? |
| 18:45.25 | sjansen | something not good |
| 18:45.49 | maquis | sjansen: what type of something? |
| 18:46.07 | sjansen | something not good of the sort I can't go into detail about |
| 18:56.27 | maquis | sjansen: ah... that's good |
| 18:56.42 | maquis | s/good/i don't know what word i wanted here... |
| 18:57.08 | maquis | sjansen: i thought you were going to say something like hard drive suddenly making loud clicking noises or something |
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| 19:38.42 | harleypig | grubmle |
| 19:38.46 | harleypig | grumble |
| 19:39.08 | Jayce^ | whine |
| 19:39.24 | harleypig | cheese |
| 19:39.29 | harleypig | cheez |
| 19:39.47 | dataw0lf | so weird. I wonder if this mouse is broken or if it's something more complex. |
| 19:40.06 | harleypig | More complex ... see, the mouse doesn't like you. |
| 19:40.08 | dataw0lf | usb mouse I plugged into my laptop, the buttons work, but the laser isn't on. |
| 19:40.19 | elg | i'd guess mouse |
| 19:40.26 | elg | do you have another tot est with? |
| 19:40.29 | jlp_work | does it not work? |
| 19:40.37 | jlp_work | the light could be IR |
| 19:40.42 | elg | it works just fine if you don't move it |
| 19:40.50 | jlp_work | he he |
| 19:40.51 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:40.57 | harleypig | Just because I fix a problem with a deprecated subroutine doesn't mean it's still b0rken, does it? :/ |
| 19:41.01 | dataw0lf | I'm grabbing another right now |
| 19:41.14 | harleypig | (That was a rhetorical question Jayce^ |
| 19:41.39 | dataw0lf | this one works, so it must be the mouse. |
| 19:41.45 | dataw0lf | just bought it too :\ |
| 19:41.45 | elg | dissection time |
| 19:41.49 | elg | oh, return time |
| 19:41.54 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 19:42.17 | dataw0lf | yet the mouse works on my workstation |
| 19:43.06 | Jayce^ | ps2 or usb? |
| 19:43.12 | dataw0lf | usb |
| 19:44.12 | dataw0lf | it's a usb laser mouse. works fine on my workstation. but this usb ir mouse works fine on my laptop. |
| 19:44.22 | dataw0lf | need another usb laser mouse |
| 19:44.33 | maquis | dataw0lf: the laser mouse doesn't like your laptop |
| 19:44.38 | dataw0lf | apparently |
| 19:45.40 | maquis | it could also work the other way around |
| 19:45.40 | elg | dataw0lf: you never saw it work on the workstation |
| 19:46.05 | maquis | the laptop may just not like the laser mouse... maybe it's scared of lasers |
| 19:46.21 | dataw0lf | the laser isn't on it's 'frickin head' |
| 19:47.19 | elg | how much faster is an addition to a linked list than a comparison? |
| 19:47.23 | findlay_work | ~laser mouse |
| 19:47.27 | findlay_work | ~laser |
| 19:48.01 | findlay_work | ibot: laser is Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation |
| 19:48.02 | ibot | okay, findlay_work |
| 19:48.17 | maquis | elg: my guess is that it would be a pretty large difference, assuming you can add to a linked list without looking through the entire list |
| 19:48.23 | maquis | but a comparison would involve checking the list |
| 19:48.24 | jlp_work | does the laser mouse require more voltage on the usb? maybe the laptop doesn't supply enough? |
| 19:48.28 | dataw0lf | elg: depends on how you're doing either. |
| 19:48.42 | dataw0lf | jlp_work: just checked that, power requirements are the same. |
| 19:48.46 | elg | let me put it this way: is adding n elements to linked lists, then traversing a linked list of size lg n, going to be faster than n-1 comparisons |
| 19:49.26 | maquis | n-1 list comparisons? |
| 19:49.31 | jlp_work | elg: do you have a tail pointer or are you adding the n elements to the list at the head of the list? |
| 19:49.43 | elg | http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~saunders/courses/621/03f/modelA |
| 19:49.54 | elg | basically that algorithm. |
| 19:50.26 | elg | you can find the second smallest element in n + lg n - 2 comparisons |
| 19:50.36 | elg | but you have to make these linked lists |
| 19:50.44 | elg | or some other storage |
| 19:51.39 | dataw0lf | it should be faster. |
| 19:51.48 | jlp_work | so is the idea that you have a random list of things with some size and you want to know if it's better to walk the list looking for the one whose size is what you want or to make an ordered list that points to each one? |
| 19:51.50 | dataw0lf | the addition. |
| 19:52.03 | elg | you think? |
| 19:52.25 | elg | I would think that comparisons of numbers already in registers would be faster than all the going to memory that's involved with that |
| 19:52.37 | jlp_work | the doc mentions a "tournament tree", can you define that? (it's assumed that we already know what it is) |
| 19:52.41 | elg | but maybe you're right. |
| 19:52.53 | dataw0lf | try it out, I'm curious to see how you do it. |
| 19:52.54 | elg | jlp_work: ever seen a pinewood derby? march madness? |
| 19:53.21 | elg | then you've seen a tournament tree. :) |
| 19:53.24 | jlp_work | ok, so I understand what you have, now, what structure is used to define your tournament tree? |
| 19:53.50 | elg | you don't actually have to use a tree |
| 19:54.13 | elg | you can just run through the list and keep track of the smallest item you've seen so far |
| 19:54.29 | elg | the tree is just for visualizing things |
| 19:54.30 | jlp_work | are we just talking about a (balanced) tree where all the values on one side of the given node are less than the current node, and all those on the other side are greater? |
| 19:54.43 | elg | nope |
| 19:54.45 | elg | random array |
| 19:54.52 | dataw0lf | code plz |
| 19:54.54 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 19:54.59 | elg | I don't have to code it up. :) |
| 19:55.09 | elg | not unless I really want to know which is faster |
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| 19:55.49 | elg | but if you're going to keep a linked list for each element, and let's say you have a quick and ideal hash function (e.g. array offset) and don't care about space |
| 19:55.50 | harleypig | Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Cras ut pede eu arcu placerat condimentum. Pellentesque pretium tempor odio. Cras dolor odio, elementum nec, rhoncus a, pulvinar sagittis, diam. Duis nulla. Vivamus quis nulla. Ut rutrum tempor sapien. Vestibulum vitae velit vel enim euismod ultrices. Cras eleifend metus at risus. Phasellus luctus dolor luctus velit. Nulla vulputate, tellus quis congue aliquam, leo risus semper mauris, u |
| 19:55.57 | harleypig | Donec sed tellus sit amet nulla facilisis elementum. Vestibulum aliquet neque quis lectus. Curabitur laoreet. Vestibulum erat arcu, imperdiet porttitor, tempus ut, scelerisque aliquam, lorem. Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia Curae; Donec et sapien. Suspendisse porta lacinia sapien. Vivamus posuere. |
| 19:56.02 | sjansen | dataw0lf: what usb drivers do you have loaded? |
| 19:56.15 | jlp_work | maquis: nephew, and he didn't do that great, but he had fun anyway so he was a winner in my book |
| 19:56.16 | dataw0lf | sjansen: it's Windows xp. |
| 19:56.25 | harleypig | dangit ... my touchpad is doing wierd stuff. |
| 19:56.33 | maquis | jlp_work: that's the important thing |
| 19:56.34 | elg | then you have to do a memory lookup from an offset (which probably requires an addition, no?) |
| 19:56.35 | sjansen | I've seen problems with ehci preventing uhci from loading, and the controller not being fully inialized result. Symptom: no power to mouse. |
| 19:56.40 | elg | just to find the linked list |
| 19:56.51 | elg | then an assigment to add it to the list |
| 19:56.52 | sjansen | dataw0lf: Oh... Have you tried installing Linux? ;-) |
| 19:56.55 | maquis | ~flood harleypig |
| 19:56.56 | ibot | ACTION blasts harleypig with a huge firehose then strangles harleypig with it |
| 19:56.57 | dataw0lf | sjansen: with one mouse working fine and another's laser not working? |
| 19:57.29 | dataw0lf | sjansen: I want Windows on one box, haven't decided if I'm going to keep my gaming workstation a gaming Windows workstation or if I'm going to install Debian on this laptop |
| 19:57.36 | harleypig | If I just tap my touchpad it pastes whatevers in the clipboard. annoying. |
| 19:57.58 | harleypig | especially when only a small portion of the winodw is exposed and I don't notice for awhile. |
| 19:58.07 | jlp_work | elg: still trying to understand what's going on. you have a random list. you're trying to find the second smallest value in the list. |
| 19:58.14 | elg | yup |
| 19:58.24 | jlp_work | elg: case one, you walk through the list, examining each value, and remembering the smallest two that you have seen |
| 19:58.29 | elg | as you can see there, it can be done in n + lg n - 2 comparisons |
| 19:58.38 | jlp_work | (so you have to examine all of them, order is n) |
| 19:58.44 | sjansen | dataw0lf: I didn't think to try other mice. |
| 19:58.48 | elg | but I wonder if that's worth the savings, when the straightforward 2n approach is simpler |
| 19:59.28 | elg | jlp_work: the straightforward/naive/whatever case is walk through the list and remember the 2 smallest ones you've seen |
| 19:59.32 | dataw0lf | sjansen: strangest thing I've ever seen. |
| 19:59.40 | dataw0lf | wonder if it was just a hiccup... |
| 19:59.52 | sjansen | harleypig: your laptop should have a hardware switch above the touchpad to disable it, at least my hp does |
| 19:59.55 | elg | requires 2n (minus a couple) comparisons |
| 19:59.55 | jlp_work | elg: right, so you have to compare each value with both of the two that you're saving |
| 20:00.06 | dataw0lf | nope, laser on the mouse still doesn't work. |
| 20:00.34 | jlp_work | elg: I'm with you on that one, now, what's the other option? |
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| 20:00.53 | sjansen | elg: have you profiled the app and determined that this code is actually a bottleneck? if not, go naive |
| 20:00.57 | elg | for each element, keep track of a list of other elements that were compared to it and found to be larger |
| 20:01.05 | harleypig | sjansen: doesn't look like it |
| 20:01.08 | elg | then when you know which one is the smallest, find the smallest of the ones that lost to it |
| 20:01.15 | elg | that list is only lg n in size |
| 20:01.29 | elg | if you do a tournament |
| 20:01.31 | sjansen | harleypig: want to trade? |
| 20:01.41 | harleypig | :D Nice try. |
| 20:01.43 | elg | (guess you would have to do a tree structure in that case) |
| 20:02.15 | jlp_work | elg: okay, I think I see... I suspect that the tree mechanism would do fewer comparisons, but would be more expensive in other ways |
| 20:02.15 | elg | so in terms of comparisons, much better |
| 20:02.42 | elg | exactly, the tree/hash/list mechanism in the end, compared to comparisons, wouldn't save you much _I_ don't think |
| 20:02.48 | jlp_work | so if the assumption is that a comparison is rediculously more expensive than the overhead involved in allocating a node in a linked list, then yes, it would be better |
| 20:02.55 | elg | now, if it were some more expensive operation than just a comparison |
| 20:03.02 | elg | exactly |
| 20:03.12 | elg | which I think is a flawed assumption, which is what makes this problem silly |
| 20:03.25 | elg | but it's all theory anyway. :) |
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| 20:05.49 | jlp_work | maquis: and he got to spend some quality time with his dad (which he is lacking, imnsho) building the car, which was also good |
| 20:05.57 | dataw0lf | I might have to leave the comfort of Debian to see how FC5 is on this laptop. |
| 20:06.41 | jlp_work | so who knows/understands the differences between tmpfs, ramfs, memfs, and ramdisks (e.g. /dev/ram0) in linux and can explain it to me in short, simple words? |
| 20:06.49 | maquis | jlp_work: that's good... |
| 20:09.42 | harleypig | AGGHHHHH! My workstation is dead! |
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| 20:10.09 | harleypig | I upgraded to dapper and on reboot I'm get segfaults then /dev/sda1 does not exist! |
| 20:10.22 | harleypig | Hmmm ... maybe now is a good time to try RR4 |
| 20:10.30 | Jayce^ | module not in initrd? |
| 20:10.35 | Jayce^ | RR? |
| 20:10.43 | harleypig | Live Gentoo CD |
| 20:10.44 | harleypig | :> |
| 20:10.53 | Jayce^ | oh, the waste of processing post |
| 20:10.55 | Jayce^ | power |
| 20:11.01 | harleypig | :D |
| 20:11.17 | harleypig | They even have one for |
| 20:11.25 | harleypig | amd64 RR64 |
| 20:11.35 | harleypig | who's fink? |
| 20:11.48 | Jayce^ | fink is enough to show me why I gave up on source distros :) |
| 20:11.54 | Jayce^ | apt for osx |
| 20:12.18 | Jayce^ | but the apt is largely given up on doing just deb-src :( |
| 20:12.53 | harleypig | oh that's right. |
| 20:12.54 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon non-fish possible bzflag procrastination break at phantom2.cs.byu.edu:5154... i'm trying to round up people... |
| 20:13.10 | harleypig | non-fish? |
| 20:13.23 | harleypig | Are you discrimintating against water-breathers? |
| 20:13.32 | maquis | harleypig: i didn't add that part |
| 20:13.42 | maquis | someone added that earlier... |
| 20:13.49 | harleypig | It's always someone else ... tsk tsk tsk |
| 20:13.56 | maquis | really... |
| 20:13.57 | maquis | it was! |
| 20:14.02 | harleypig | uh huh |
| 20:14.20 | maquis | anyway... students are invited... everyone else is invited if they won't get fired for it... |
| 20:14.28 | sjansen | harleypig: I read you story and all I keep thinking about is "A $10 tow? I've never found anyone willing to two for $10!" |
| 20:14.42 | harleypig | two for $10? |
| 20:14.57 | harleypig | that's why I like these guys ... it was $10 from within town. |
| 20:15.37 | Jayce^ | and believe me, sjansen regularly pays more than that for people to come out and unlock his car |
| 20:15.41 | harleypig | I was sitting in the front waiting for them to finish wiht my van a couple of weeks ago and this guy came in wanting an inspection done. |
| 20:15.46 | Jayce^ | It's part of being a 'guru' |
| 20:16.07 | harleypig | they asked him what year and then told him he didn't need one for this year for that year car. |
| 20:16.20 | harleypig | They couldve had an easy $60. |
| 20:16.34 | jlp_work | they charge $60 for the inspection? |
| 20:16.53 | jlp_work | he still needed the I/M test, it's just the safety that you only need every other year |
| 20:16.55 | harleypig | No, $40, but the guy was clueless enough that he asked if they charged $50 |
| 20:16.59 | harleypig | err ... $60 |
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| 20:18.56 | herlo | who |
| 20:21.38 | sjansen | where |
| 20:21.45 | dataw0lf | mmm LD_PRELOAD |
| 20:23.37 | sjansen | "SO THAT IT WORKS, NET Framework INSTALLS The Microsoft©!" -- http://www.monocalendar.com/ |
| 20:26.13 | sjansen | There's a certain beauty to the way only non-native speakers can mangle English. |
| 20:27.57 | sjansen | s/beauty/poetry/ |
| 20:28.41 | ^Migs^ | s/sweet/awesome |
| 20:28.56 | ^Migs^ | s/English/Russian |
| 20:29.12 | ^Migs^ | s/English/Russian |
| 20:29.35 | ^Migs^ | s/English/Russian/ |
| 20:29.36 | ^Migs^ | tf? |
| 20:29.42 | sjansen | ft! |
| 20:29.44 | jlp_work | it only looks at what YOU said last |
| 20:30.03 | ^Migs^ | then why's it not working? |
| 20:30.11 | ^Migs^ | s/working/being stupid/ |
| 20:30.13 | sjansen | yup |
| 20:30.17 | sjansen | s/yup/pretty much/ |
| 20:30.18 | ^Migs^ | oop |
| 20:30.19 | ^Migs^ | s |
| 20:30.23 | ^Migs^ | s/s/oops |
| 20:30.33 | ^Migs^ | this is pointless |
| 20:30.42 | ^Migs^ | s/pointless/breathtaking/ |
| 20:31.33 | ^Migs^ | is there a way to see who's on AIM without actually logging into AIM and showing everyone you're online? |
| 20:32.50 | sjansen | probably |
| 20:33.42 | ^Migs^ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=log+in+to+aim+without+showing+others+you%27re+online doesn't reveal anything :( |
| 20:33.43 | brac | [log in to aim without showing others you're online - Google Search] |
| 20:33.43 | sjansen | I know you I used to see Web sites that included indicators displaying whether the author was on aim/icq/some other stuff. |
| 20:34.18 | ^Migs^ | that's interesting |
| 20:34.20 | sjansen | All you gotta do is find out how they did that, then subvert it to check you buddy's status instead of your own. |
| 20:34.27 | ^Migs^ | that'll be part of Internet 2.0, btw |
| 20:35.22 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 20:35.33 | dataw0lf | it's called the AIM API |
| 20:36.02 | sjansen | ~slap jlp_work |
| 20:36.03 | ibot | ACTION slaps jlp_work, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:36.21 | jlp_work | ~lart sjansen |
| 20:36.44 | sjansen | ibot: thanks, I didn't know I had that in there |
| 20:36.44 | ibot | sjansen: de rien |
| 20:36.53 | sjansen | ~destroy jlp_work |
| 20:36.55 | ibot | no |
| 20:36.58 | sjansen | ibot: yes! |
| 20:36.59 | ibot | You don't say! |
| 20:37.08 | sjansen | ibot: I do say! |
| 20:37.09 | ibot | You do say!? |
| 20:37.36 | sjansen | ibot: Of course I do, you stupid bot! Now destroy jlp_work before I come over there and destroy you! |
| 20:39.27 | jlp_work | ibot likes me |
| 20:39.28 | ibot | ACTION runs and gives jlp_work a big bear-hug. |
| 20:39.39 | jlp_work | see? |
| 20:49.07 | findlay_work | ibot: why have you corrupted me? |
| 20:49.38 | griffeymac | Have a good weekend folks. |
| 20:49.42 | griffeymac | Happy hour is calling... |
| 20:52.20 | ^Migs^ | we need to put a mine field between the U.S. and Mexico |
| 20:52.58 | ^Migs^ | this is great. Apparently my mother-in-law, grandma-in-law, and all their dogs are moving in with us tonight |
| 20:53.15 | ^Migs^ | as if I need any more reason to want to stab somebody |
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| 20:54.10 | jlp_work | my in-laws lived with me for nine months a while back (father-in-law, mother-in-law, and sister-in-law, about 15 years ago) |
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| 20:54.24 | jlp_work | in our two bedroom house |
| 20:54.31 | sjansen | ^Migs^: If you actually mean that, hopefully you're thinking about getting professional help. |
| 20:54.45 | jlp_work | it was uncomfortable, but we survived |
| 20:54.51 | sjansen | (And I _don't_ mean a hit man.) |
| 20:54.54 | ^Migs^ | I've been meaning to make a psychiatrist appointment for awhile |
| 20:55.02 | ^Migs^ | I really am going nuts. |
| 20:55.13 | ^Migs^ | that sucks. Did they just sleep on the couches and mattresses? |
| 20:55.20 | ^Migs^ | I just don't want those dumb dogs in my house. They're going to get hair everywhere. |
| 20:55.31 | jlp_work | we had an air mattress that mom and dad slept on, and my sis-in-law slept on the couch |
| 20:55.33 | ^Migs^ | The canines, I mean. Not the in-laws themselves. |
| 20:55.34 | jlp_work | no pets, though |
| 20:56.01 | jlp_work | air matress went down on the front room floor every night and back up on top of our bed every morning |
| 20:56.03 | ^Migs^ | we luckily have a 4 bedroom house, although we were looking for a live-in housekeeper/nanny |
| 20:56.06 | sjansen | Make a do not distrub sign. Put it on your office door then close it. Pile heavy object behind the door. Crawl out the window. Hide behind a bush. Call someone. |
| 20:56.07 | ^Migs^ | that might have to be put on hold for awhile |
| 20:56.29 | jlp_work | well, mother-in-laws make great nannys |
| 20:56.34 | ^Migs^ | yes, they do |
| 20:56.42 | sjansen | and house keepers |
| 20:56.49 | ^Migs^ | it's so nice when the in-laws make a point of dragging you into their screwed up personal lives |
| 20:56.51 | jlp_work | mothers-in-law? mother-in-laws? |
| 20:56.56 | sjansen | as for the dogs, keep them outside |
| 20:56.56 | ^Migs^ | mothers-in-law |
| 20:57.02 | ^Migs^ | we don't have a fenced yard |
| 20:57.06 | jlp_work | yeah, I think you're right |
| 20:57.09 | ^Migs^ | and they're horribly behaved. They'll take off. |
| 20:57.15 | jlp_work | problem solved! |
| 20:57.16 | sjansen | Build dog rugs. |
| 20:57.19 | ^Migs^ | I'm going to have dog dook all over my yard |
| 20:57.27 | ^Migs^ | this is going to SUCK |
| 20:58.41 | sjansen | Basically, bug one of more spool of wire (can't remember what gauge we used) and ten foot dog chains. Through the wire through the dog chain. Bolt one end of the wire be the back door, bolt the other end to a tree or something. |
| 20:59.01 | sjansen | s/be the back door/by the back door |
| 20:59.15 | sjansen | s/bug/buy |
| 20:59.25 | sjansen | s/Through the wire/Thread the wire |
| 20:59.42 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 20:59.45 | mheath_ | yah! people are finally doing something about AMS's involvement with GNU Hurd |
| 20:59.48 | mheath_ | ~lart ams |
| 21:00.06 | elg | ams? |
| 21:00.21 | sjansen | american mothers-in-law society |
| 21:00.31 | mheath_ | elg, Alfred M. Szmidt |
| 21:00.32 | findlay_work | ~love Ravel |
| 21:00.33 | ibot | If you love Ravel so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 21:00.43 | mheath_ | A developer for the GNU Hurd |
| 21:00.44 | findlay_work | ooooooooohhh |
| 21:00.47 | mheath_ | He's rather immature |
| 21:00.49 | elg | can't have anyone with a last name like Szmidt contributing to hurd |
| 21:00.59 | elg | nobody would be able to pronounce it |
| 21:01.02 | mheath_ | and has resorted to abuses of moderator / maintainer powers |
| 21:01.13 | tensai | elg: but that fits with Hurd since nobody wants to use it |
| 21:01.22 | ^Migs^ | I think what I'm going to do is just work late, and keep myself busy while I'm at home |
| 21:01.46 | mheath_ | tensai, Thats why this is such a big deal. I see ams as a big reason why little Hurd development is done |
| 21:01.58 | mheath_ | hes frustrating to work with, and up until recently was a major maintainer |
| 21:02.00 | sjansen | Distancing yourself from your family isn't a strategy for success... at least not with the wife and kids. |
| 21:02.18 | elg | I've never hurd of this ams guy and neither has anyone else who hasn't wanted to use hurd |
| 21:02.32 | maquis | same here |
| 21:03.00 | sjansen | me too! me too! make mine chocolate! |
| 21:03.08 | jlp_work | ^Migs^: good plan. at the time my in-laws were living with me, I was working at byu (and living in taylorsville). we only had one car, so I rode the bus to work at home. left at 5:30AM and got home about 8:00PM |
| 21:03.16 | mheath_ | elg, Well, I'm now knees deep in a mailing list flame war thats being CC'd to Roland McGrath, Richard Stallman, and many others. All of who are likely to be participating soon...... |
| 21:03.16 | ^Migs^ | very nice |
| 21:03.37 | ^Migs^ | this might not be so bad. I could get some good yardwork done. |
| 21:03.41 | mheath_ | The big problem is...... |
| 21:03.46 | mheath_ | A newer coder is doing a LOT of work |
| 21:03.47 | ^Migs^ | spend some time outdoors with my laptop, working on projects |
| 21:03.52 | mheath_ | and trying to get Hurd in on Google's Summer of Code |
| 21:03.59 | mheath_ | Theres a couple students who want to participate in that |
| 21:04.18 | mheath_ | This older guy, though, is being extremely rude to this newer contributor |
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| 21:06.03 | maquis | ~chocolate sjansen |
| 21:06.08 | ibot | ACTION hands sjansen 2 pounds of the best Belgian chocolate, 3 pounds of the best Swiss chocolate and a gift certificate for 100 pounds of whatever other chocolate sjansen might want |
| 21:06.31 | jlp_work | huh, I thought it was going to dip him in chocolate |
| 21:06.52 | sjansen | jlp_work: ibot likes me too |
| 21:06.57 | maquis | jlp_work: yeah... me too |
| 21:07.00 | maquis | ~chocolate maquis |
| 21:07.02 | ibot | ACTION hands maquis 2 pounds of the best Belgian chocolate, 3 pounds of the best Swiss chocolate and a gift certificate for 100 pounds of whatever other chocolate maquis might want |
| 21:07.09 | maquis | yay! |
| 21:07.17 | nick125 | lol |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | ~steal maquis' chocolate |
| 21:07.18 | ibot | ACTION grabs maquis' chocolate and gives it to sjansen |
| 21:07.23 | sjansen | yay! |
| 21:07.33 | maquis | ibot: but he's already got 105 lbs of chocolate |
| 21:07.55 | jlp_work | now he's got 210 lbs |
| 21:07.55 | nick125 | 210lbs of chocolate..damn |
| 21:08.09 | maquis | ~steal sjansen's chocolate |
| 21:08.10 | ibot | ACTION grabs sjansen's chocolate and gives it to maquis |
| 21:08.11 | jlp_work | you can have mine, maquis |
| 21:08.22 | jlp_work | while I like chocolate, I don't need nearly that much |
| 21:08.40 | maquis | but it's nice to keep it from sjansen |
| 21:08.59 | sjansen | ~muzzle maquis |
| 21:09.10 | maquis | ~whimper |
| 21:09.11 | ibot | ACTION huddles in the corner, whimpering softly. |
| 21:09.11 | findlay_work | ~replicate chocolate |
| 21:09.29 | maquis | ~fear maquis |
| 21:09.30 | findlay_work | ~synthesize chocolate |
| 21:09.35 | findlay_work | ~~ |
| 21:09.36 | ibot | Every moment in which im called upon is torture |
| 21:10.42 | jlp_work | oh, the pain |
| 21:10.58 | maquis | tensai: bloglines stopped grabbing the specialized feeds |
| 21:14.07 | sjansen | http://catsinboxes.com/ |
| 21:14.08 | brac | [Cats in boxes] |
| 21:14.42 | mheath_ | The secret desires of ibot |
| 21:14.55 | mheath_ | How he's really enslaved and tortured by Tim Riker |
| 21:15.01 | mheath_ | Tonight on 2 News |
| 21:15.19 | maquis | http://catsinboxes.com/catsinboxes/cat/13 <-- my favorite so far :) |
| 21:15.20 | brac | [Cats in boxes] |
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| 21:18.47 | mheath_ | maquis, you go to BYU, right? A cople of my friends were up there the other day... |
| 21:19.45 | maquis | mheath_: ok... |
| 21:19.58 | mheath_ | Meh, I have nothing more to say. |
| 21:19.59 | mheath_ | :P |
| 21:20.04 | maquis | ah |
| 21:20.06 | maquis | ok :) |
| 21:20.28 | findlay_work | maquis: you go to BYU?!! |
| 21:20.29 | jlp_work | so does LAL still exist at byu? |
| 21:20.41 | findlay_work | I know where BYU is! |
| 21:20.43 | maquis | jlp_work: LAL? |
| 21:20.56 | jlp_work | laboratory for applied logic |
| 21:21.04 | jlp_work | it was a phil windley thing |
| 21:21.31 | jlp_work | the cats in boxes thing reminded me of it |
| 21:21.47 | maquis | jlp_work: it might be.... i don't know |
| 21:21.52 | jlp_work | Kelly Hall (an old friend of mine) used to run an archive of cat pictures on the lal servers |
| 21:22.40 | maquis | ah |
| 21:22.46 | maquis | cats are cute |
| 21:22.59 | ^Migs^ | my mom and dad-in-law bought us these dumb cell phones we didn't even want. Now because of this, there's going to be a situation in the near future in which we have an "obligation" to do something for them, such as lend them money or something, because they got us the phones we never wanted in the first place. |
| 21:23.21 | maquis | http://www.tuxgirl.com/quail.jpg <-- quail are cute too... unfortunately, they spook easily, so i couldn't get much closer |
| 21:23.26 | ^Migs^ | my father-in-law who for some reason bought them with the assumption we'd paid the monthly bills on them even though we really can't afford to (he never bothered asking), would find out that my mother-in-law is secretly paying them behind his back (again, we never asked her to do this), so when he finds out, we'll receive the blame. A huge quarrel is unavoidable. |
| 21:23.35 | ^Migs^ | just like it always is, and it's starting to piss me off. I wish I could ship them all to Mexico. |
| 21:23.45 | ^Migs^ | he's an illegal immigrant anyway |
| 21:24.32 | maquis | ^Migs^: at least they're trying to be nice, even if they're going about it the wrong way.... |
| 21:25.09 | ^Migs^ | their attempts to be nice have generally resulted in screwing up our lives in some way or another |
| 21:25.24 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: If you don't need them, why not give them to a teenager... |
| 21:25.33 | ^Migs^ | because they're paying for the monthly bills on them |
| 21:25.36 | maquis | ^Migs^: that happens, i'm sure... but they're not trying to do that... :) |
| 21:25.37 | Bradipo | I'm sure they would cancel the phones after the first $1000 bill they receive. :-) |
| 21:25.44 | ^Migs^ | no, of course they're not, maquis |
| 21:25.47 | ^Migs^ | I'm just getting a little tired of this |
| 21:25.53 | maquis | ^Migs^: yeah... i understand... |
| 21:25.57 | ^Migs^ | no they wouldn't, Bradipo, because they never bother to check bill statements or pay them |
| 21:25.59 | maquis | just trying to bring up the positive side :) |
| 21:26.10 | JoshH | call immigration |
| 21:26.29 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Didn't you just say that the wife was paying them behind the scenes... |
| 21:26.33 | ^Migs^ | I can't. That would result in a huge family fight if I got my father-in-law deported. Not to mention he's the sole breadwinner of the family since my mother-in-law got laid off from her job. |
| 21:26.39 | ^Migs^ | Yes, Bradipo. |
| 21:26.43 | Bradipo | Do you think she would continue to pay them after receiving a $1000 bill? |
| 21:27.08 | ^Migs^ | It would be a fun solution, but I'm trying to avoid a huge family fight here. |
| 21:27.15 | Bradipo | How would it be a fight. |
| 21:27.19 | Bradipo | ``Sorry, I lost the phone.'' |
| 21:27.29 | mrpull-_ | ^Migs^: " hat would result in a huge family fight if I got my father-in-law deported." could be my new .sig line it is so silly sounding |
| 21:27.41 | maquis | ^Migs^: perhaps, after talking to your wife, you two should talk to the inlaws or even just the mother-in-law, and tell her "i appreciate you doing this for us, but we really don't need it right now" |
| 21:27.50 | JoshH | just say "we don't want the phones" |
| 21:27.52 | JoshH | problem solved |
| 21:28.04 | ^Migs^ | what I'll do is wait until they try to bring up some "obligation" we have to them because they bought us the phones we never wanted or asked for, and when they try to smear it in our face, we just give the phones back |
| 21:28.06 | maquis | say what JoshH said, just a bit nicer |
| 21:28.17 | Bradipo | JoshH: That's too practical. |
| 21:28.19 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 21:28.24 | ^Migs^ | it'd be SOOOO nice if that could work |
| 21:28.24 | maquis | ^Migs^: i don't think that'd be the best way to do it... |
| 21:28.28 | sjansen | I'd rather have the "we don't want the phones" fight now than the "I'm sorry, we can't help you, so quit acting like we owe you something" fight later. |
| 21:28.33 | ^Migs^ | of course we tried that. |
| 21:28.37 | Bradipo | In-law matters are always a matter of impracticalities. |
| 21:28.51 | ^Migs^ | I would LOVE IT if they were rational thinkers like that. |
| 21:29.00 | JoshH | Bradipo: that's why I just avoid the in-laws whenever possible |
| 21:29.04 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Have you given them a try? |
| 21:29.12 | JoshH | less problems that way |
| 21:29.13 | ^Migs^ | the problem is that if we declined the phones, that would result in another family fight, because they would interpret that as us hating them. |
| 21:29.18 | ^Migs^ | yeah, the phones are nice |
| 21:29.21 | sjansen | maquis: not always |
| 21:29.27 | Bradipo | I mean, you didn't actually refuse the phones, or you wouldn't have them, right? |
| 21:29.32 | sjansen | some times being direct is more important than being polite |
| 21:29.39 | JoshH | ^Migs^: say "we don't hate you, but we really don't want or need these phones, thanks anyway. Again, we do not hate you." |
| 21:29.43 | ^Migs^ | no, refusing the phones = family fight |
| 21:29.48 | ^Migs^ | doesn't matter, JoshH. |
| 21:29.55 | maquis | sjansen: yeah... but with delicate matters, sometimes being direct causes problems |
| 21:29.59 | Bradipo | Refusing the phones == Refusing the phones. |
| 21:29.59 | ^Migs^ | again, you're thinking too rationally |
| 21:30.06 | JoshH | well, it sounds like no solution here is perfect |
| 21:30.08 | Bradipo | If they want to make it a ``fight'' what can you do about it? |
| 21:30.11 | elg | well, if there's no avoiding a fight, then at least let it be a fight stemming from honesty |
| 21:30.21 | ^Migs^ | we already told them we didn't want the phones |
| 21:30.25 | ^Migs^ | do you think that matters? |
| 21:30.26 | elg | so give them back |
| 21:30.27 | Bradipo | But did you refuse them? |
| 21:30.36 | elg | physically leave them |
| 21:30.40 | elg | or send them back to the company |
| 21:30.43 | ^Migs^ | we eventually will, elg |
| 21:30.46 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 21:30.47 | Bradipo | You accepted the phones, therefore the fact that you told them you didn't want them is irrelevant. |
| 21:30.49 | ^Migs^ | that's not a bad idea, actually |
| 21:30.59 | ^Migs^ | we could just get the receipt |
| 21:31.04 | ^Migs^ | then give them back the money |
| 21:31.54 | ^Migs^ | I dunno. I kind of like having a cell phone. |
| 21:31.57 | Bradipo | Aha! |
| 21:32.03 | ^Migs^ | it's going to be one of those things that grows on me quickly |
| 21:32.09 | ^Migs^ | what? Who doesn't like cell phones? |
| 21:32.22 | Bradipo | I don't. |
| 21:32.34 | sjansen | Anybody that realizes a cell phone is a leash. |
| 21:32.34 | ^Migs^ | I don't either, actually. But now that I have one, how can I not like it? |
| 21:32.42 | ^Migs^ | well yeah |
| 21:32.48 | ^Migs^ | they "helpfully" programmed their phone numbers into my home |
| 21:32.57 | Bradipo | I would like my cellphone if I could turn it off. |
| 21:32.58 | ^Migs^ | and their direct connect numbers, too |
| 21:33.09 | JoshH | chris henderson on this season of 24 has the same phone as me |
| 21:33.17 | Bradipo | JoshH: What model? |
| 21:33.30 | JoshH | motorola v220 |
| 21:33.38 | jlp_work | a cell phone is only a leash if you feel you have to answer it |
| 21:33.53 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 21:34.01 | ^Migs^ | I never really feel the need to answer a phone |
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| 21:35.05 | jlp_work | that's what voice mail is for |
| 21:35.11 | ^Migs^ | yup |
| 21:35.24 | Bradipo | At any rate, to be consistent and to avoid future problems, you really should return the phone or pay for it yourself. |
| 21:35.39 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 21:35.41 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 21:35.53 | Bradipo | Allowing the mother to covertly handle the bill is just asking for trouble... |
| 21:35.56 | ^Migs^ | it would be less devastating to them if I returned the phone when they actually gave a reason to |
| 21:36.27 | jlp_work | but then you will "owe" them for the time that you used the phone. |
| 21:36.31 | jlp_work | better to ditch it right now |
| 21:36.50 | sjansen | It would be less devestating to throw the phone back in their faces when they gave a reason to? |
| 21:36.58 | jlp_work | do they have a contract on these phones (i.e., are they committed to paying the bill for two years or paying a huge cancellation charge) |
| 21:37.11 | sjansen | I'd think it'd be better to do it when you don't have a "reason" to. |
| 21:37.12 | ^Migs^ | Bradipo, my in-laws are grossly entagled in a web of lies, internal scheming and deceit. There is nothing ordinary about the way they function, nothing rational to their decision-making processes. Allowing my mother-in-law to covertly handle the bill is something that is unavoidable, irreversible, and just another part of their endless screwing themselves and everyone close to them over. |
| 21:37.19 | Bradipo | Very likely. I don't think you can get a cellphone without a contract. |
| 21:37.22 | jsmith | ^Migs^: I'd go the "confusion" route -- ask them if it supports GPRS and bluetooth. If it doesn't, you have a technical reason to return it. |
| 21:37.25 | ^Migs^ | there is NOTHING I can do about it. |
| 21:37.57 | jlp_work | Bradipo: you can, it just costs you more |
| 21:37.58 | ^Migs^ | and it would be less devastating, from their perspective, if we return it to them when they give us a reason to, namely, they start asking us to do things for them |
| 21:38.11 | sjansen | There is never nothing. You can always move to Nebraska and change your name. |
| 21:38.21 | ^Migs^ | if anyone should move, they should |
| 21:38.34 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: I see, so you mean to wait until they start using the cellphone as a reason to compel you to perform? |
| 21:38.34 | ^Migs^ | I'm not uprooting my family because of them. Besides, my kids love my parents too much. |
| 21:39.05 | ^Migs^ | I understand what you're saying, Bradipo, and I agree it makes sense. I think playing their game is the best move in this scenario, though. |
| 21:39.37 | JoshH | all i can say migs, is that i'm glad i'm not in your family :P |
| 21:39.40 | ^Migs^ | they'd never return the phones to the store or wherever they got them from, either. They'd just sit in the house, gather dust, probably get lost... |
| 21:40.01 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't mind having the phones one day, when we can afford to pay for them. |
| 21:40.13 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: I think you should just admit that you want a cellphone but don't want to pay for it yourself. :-) |
| 21:40.14 | ^Migs^ | and why the crap did they get two? We only really 'need' one. |
| 21:40.17 | jlp_work | well, my suspicion is that if they got the phones with a contract, the phones themselves probably didn't cost them anything |
| 21:40.28 | ^Migs^ | I don't want this stupid cell phone, because I'm already getting attached to it. |
| 21:40.32 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Two could be part of a family plan... |
| 21:41.06 | ^Migs^ | they probably got it with a contract. Knowing them, they wouldn't think ahead or even consider that we'd give them back seeing as how we never wanted the phones in the first place |
| 21:41.18 | ^Migs^ | it makes them happy that they gave us phones. I want them to be happy. |
| 21:41.40 | Bradipo | Cool, and a cellphone makes you happy, so you're all happy. Works out I guess. |
| 21:42.06 | Bradipo | So, if you're happy with the phone, and they're happy to provide it to you, what's the big deal? |
| 21:42.10 | ^Migs^ | no, because underneath the surface there's manipulation |
| 21:42.25 | ^Migs^ | and when did I ever say I'm happy with the cellphone? |
| 21:42.34 | maquis | ^Migs^: you've implied it plenty |
| 21:42.37 | maquis | you won't admit it |
| 21:42.46 | maquis | but plenty of what you've said has brought it to the surface |
| 21:42.48 | ^Migs^ | I said I like having a cell phone. Not that I like having THIS cell phone under THESE conditions. |
| 21:42.50 | Bradipo | You accepted it... |
| 21:42.55 | maquis | ^Migs^: how does your wife fell about the whole thing? |
| 21:42.59 | ^Migs^ | same as I do |
| 21:43.09 | Bradipo | Sounds like you need to grow a spine. ;-) |
| 21:43.27 | ^Migs^ | I was just trying to avoid a huge family fight and more abuse. |
| 21:43.29 | ^Migs^ | :( |
| 21:43.45 | Bradipo | Well, at a certain point the piper will call... |
| 21:43.54 | maquis | ^Migs^: from what you've said, you're going to get a huge family fight regardless of what you do |
| 21:43.59 | ^Migs^ | yes |
| 21:44.12 | ^Migs^ | and they probably did sign a contract anyway, you know. Again, without even asking us anything about this. |
| 21:44.15 | maquis | i'm guessing the fight will be less of a problem now than later, because later, they can say "but you used it" |
| 21:44.20 | jlp_work | so decide if you want to have the fight now or later |
| 21:44.26 | jlp_work | make a decision, man! |
| 21:44.30 | ^Migs^ | hmmm |
| 21:44.31 | jlp_work | even if it's wrong! |
| 21:44.37 | JoshH | #oprah |
| 21:44.50 | jlp_work | (something we learned in the military, when you're an officer, you have to make a decision. you can't waffle) |
| 21:44.51 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Well, the contract is theirs then, and not yours. Maybe you should try testing the waters a bit... |
| 21:45.01 | maquis | #judge-judy |
| 21:45.03 | Bradipo | Run the bill up to $100 for a month and see what happens. :-) |
| 21:46.28 | ^Migs^ | crap |
| 21:46.37 | ^Migs^ | they're already over there. I was going to call my wife and talk to her about this. |
| 21:46.59 | ^Migs^ | I don't think the fact we used it would play much importance in their minds, actually |
| 21:47.04 | maquis | ^Migs^: you could always drop the phones in their suitcases before they leave |
| 21:47.06 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure. I'm still trying to figure out exactly how their minds think |
| 21:47.10 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's true |
| 21:47.14 | maquis | ^Migs^: that's where your wife comes in |
| 21:47.19 | ^Migs^ | I'm not even convinced they're staying over |
| 21:47.22 | maquis | hopefully, she understands them better than you do |
| 21:47.32 | ^Migs^ | oh she does |
| 21:47.45 | ^Migs^ | she's been spending the past 5 years trying to deprogram herself from their mindset |
| 21:47.55 | maquis | good |
| 21:48.00 | maquis | that's got to be difficult |
| 21:48.04 | ^Migs^ | it has been |
| 21:48.11 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Well, this is something you'll have to deal with. You will learn. If you think that the approach you have taken will result in fewer problems, you will eventually find out. |
| 21:48.29 | ^Migs^ | well, we're going to talk about just giving them back right now. I think you have a good point. |
| 21:48.54 | ^Migs^ | it will cause a fight, but I'm not sure if it will cause a lesser or greater fight than if we gave them back later. |
| 21:49.03 | ^Migs^ | minimizing the degree of the fight is ideal, in any case |
| 21:49.13 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: This shouldn't be a life shattering experience, but it is amazing how little things can be blown out of proportion. |
| 21:49.22 | maquis | ^Migs^: regardless, you need to come up with a way of handling them, because it sounds like this problem will occur again, and having a plan on how to handle it when it starts could be useful |
| 21:49.25 | ^Migs^ | Bradipo, this is just ONE thing out of literally hundreds. |
| 21:49.33 | maquis | ^Migs^: exactly my point |
| 21:49.35 | ^Migs^ | maybe not hundreds. But an enormous lot. |
| 21:49.37 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: The important thing is that you and your wife are on the same page. |
| 21:49.41 | maquis | yeah |
| 21:49.42 | maquis | agreed |
| 21:50.05 | ^Migs^ | it's so nice to have my parents...they're the most level-headed people I know |
| 21:50.17 | Bradipo | Doesn't matter what the in-laws, or even your own parents, have to say about how you live your life, as long as you and your wife are together on it. |
| 21:50.38 | maquis | ^Migs^: have you tried asking your parents for advice? |
| 21:50.44 | ^Migs^ | I know, but both my parents and my in-laws tend to have a problem with trying to dictate how we should live our lives |
| 21:50.58 | ^Migs^ | of course I have. Their advice always give us a nice dose of reality. |
| 21:51.01 | maquis | since they're not *part* of the situation, they may have some insight that you might miss |
| 21:51.04 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Welcome to society. :-) |
| 21:51.05 | maquis | ok |
| 21:51.21 | ^Migs^ | you seem to imply I haven't been part of society before now :) |
| 21:51.45 | ^Migs^ | oh, please do |
| 21:51.48 | ^Migs^ | it would save so much trouble |
| 21:51.53 | ^Migs^ | or better yet, a family you rarely have to see |
| 21:51.57 | maquis | my parents got along well with each other's parents quite well... |
| 21:51.58 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Sorry, no accusatory innuendo meant there. |
| 21:52.08 | Bradipo | Just a cliche phrase. :-) |
| 21:52.11 | maquis | we didn't get to see them often, but it was nice that they got along |
| 21:52.19 | ^Migs^ | I know. I'm just being a stinker. |
| 21:52.21 | maquis | even though my grandmother is often very hard to get along with |
| 21:52.29 | maquis | she loves my dad |
| 21:52.39 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Specifically, with respect to, the fact that everyone wants to tell you how to live your lives. |
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| 21:53.19 | maquis | ^Migs^: i've been struggling with people telling me how to live too... and not doing a very good job |
| 21:53.25 | maquis | i don't have enough of a spine yet |
| 21:53.39 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Look on the brighter side, if anything, it sounds like your society with your in-laws will never be dull... |
| 21:53.45 | ^Migs^ | the problem is that my parents are always so right. Annoyingly so, in fact. |
| 21:53.56 | maquis | so far, my main accomplishment is "i'm not going to live at home when i get out of college" |
| 21:53.56 | elg | my favorite in-law saga so far just ended |
| 21:54.03 | maquis | elg: story? |
| 21:54.05 | ^Migs^ | I don't like having to take an introspective look at myself and realize for myself I'm doing things wrong |
| 21:54.06 | sjansen | Let me guess, they also told you to move to Nebraska and change your name? |
| 21:54.11 | lars-ut | ~kill broadcast storms |
| 21:54.12 | ibot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged quark gun at broadcast storms |
| 21:54.26 | elg | father in-law gives mother in-law piano way back when. used upright, nothing special but she attaches sentimental value. fine. |
| 21:54.43 | maquis | ok |
| 21:54.46 | elg | way back when but not as way back when as the first part, they buy a digital piano because the other one sucks |
| 21:55.01 | elg | and they put the other one in the basement, in storage, for several years |
| 21:55.15 | elg | we get married, they give it to us because Erin's the only one that really plays |
| 21:55.18 | elg | so far so good |
| 21:55.33 | elg | we move down here and can't get it up the stairs. oops, we should have left it with someone in utah or something |
| 21:55.34 | maquis | elg: ok |
| 21:55.40 | elg | so we let a friend borrow it |
| 21:55.44 | maquis | ok |
| 21:55.53 | elg | we get to talking and figure we could sell it and use the money to get a digital piano |
| 21:56.00 | maquis | elg: uh oh |
| 21:56.05 | elg | but it turns out mother in law doesn't want us to sell it |
| 21:56.08 | ^Migs^ | see, I hate that. |
| 21:56.14 | elg | so I'm like, huh? did you not give it to us? |
| 21:56.18 | ^Migs^ | not a free gift |
| 21:56.24 | sjansen | elg: mail it to her, c.o.d. |
| 21:56.26 | ^Migs^ | gifts with conditions |
| 21:56.33 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 21:56.50 | elg | so I basically say to my wife, ok, we won't sell it for now but when push comes to shove, if they don't want us to sell it it's their piano and they can pay for it to be shipped/moved/stored wherever |
| 21:57.14 | maquis | i dunno... i think there are definitely some things that i'll end up eventually getting, that my parents won't want me to sell... mainly because they have value besides their monetary worth |
| 21:57.24 | elg | luckily, my sister in law moved into a larger place and would like a piano, I pounced and said hey you can have this one if we can find a way to get it to you |
| 21:57.28 | Bradipo | elg: I can understand this situation more than the cellphone. Some objects have sentimental value and family members like to keep it in the family. |
| 21:57.39 | elg | and they just had a fun little trip down here to visit us and get the piano |
| 21:57.41 | elg | phew |
| 21:57.46 | maquis | elg: :) |
| 21:57.50 | elg | so it ended well, but it had the makings for a situation. :) |
| 21:57.53 | ^Migs^ | I don't really expect anyone to understand my situation anyway |
| 21:58.04 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: I think I understand it completely. |
| 21:58.04 | ^Migs^ | it just felt therapeutic to talk about it. |
| 21:58.17 | elg | yeah, I didn't mind that she has sentimental value of this piano. I would just have liked to know that they were just letting us use the piano, not giving it to us |
| 21:58.19 | Bradipo | You have in-laws that do things that are contrary to how you live/think/feel. |
| 21:58.23 | ^Migs^ | not completely. There's layers upon layers of stuff I didn't mention. |
| 21:58.41 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Sure there are, there always are in any family situation with the in-laws. |
| 21:58.49 | maquis | i think the main advantage i have with most of the things that my parents won't want me to get rid of is that most of them are from my grandfather, who i was also really close to... so, i kind-of understand their feelings n it |
| 21:58.55 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: You know them better than any of us do. |
| 21:59.00 | Bradipo | So only you can make the right decision. |
| 21:59.01 | ^Migs^ | anyway, I gotta go home |
| 21:59.13 | elg | it's a terrible piano though. well, not _that_ bad but it needs work |
| 21:59.19 | Bradipo | elg: How old? |
| 21:59.43 | elg | turn of the century, maybe 10s or 20s |
| 21:59.51 | Bradipo | Is it beat up? |
| 22:00.00 | elg | yeah |
| 22:00.02 | elg | and has action issues |
| 22:00.04 | elg | I can't stand to play it |
| 22:00.05 | ^Migs^ | Migs out. |
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| 22:00.18 | elg | and apparently neither could they, they bought a digital piano |
| 22:00.52 | jlp_work | heh |
| 22:00.54 | elg | my m-i-l doesn't want it in her house, but doesn't want it out of the family because my f-i-l bought it for her. but my f-i-l doesn't care - his feelings won't be hurt. |
| 22:01.11 | jlp_work | my wife keeps saying we should get a piano, but I keep saying "where would we put it?" she doesn't have an answer |
| 22:01.14 | elg | and if any feelings were to be hurt, you'd think that would have come when they bought a digital piano to replace the one the f-i-l bought for her |
| 22:01.21 | maquis | elg: you don't understand how women feel about things like that.... |
| 22:01.25 | elg | I don't understand it, and never will. I'm just glad it's out of my hands. |
| 22:01.29 | jlp_work | I think a digital model would be nice |
| 22:01.39 | maquis | it's not logical, but it's true |
| 22:01.48 | elg | maquis: I can understand sentiment and wanting to keep something around even if its real-world value is low |
| 22:01.56 | Bradipo | jlp_work: I would rather have a grand (a baby even). |
| 22:02.04 | elg | but wanting to NOT keep it around but keep it from getting too far away, that makes no sense |
| 22:02.17 | maquis | elg: like i said... women :) |
| 22:02.19 | jlp_work | no one in our house plays the piano, either |
| 22:02.42 | jlp_work | I used to play the organ, but I don't have one any more (my parents had one, they sold it a while back to get money to buy my mom new teeth :-) |
| 22:02.43 | elg | yup :) |
| 22:02.46 | Bradipo | A digital would certainly be cheaper though and has nifty features. |
| 22:02.47 | JoshH | jlp_work: consider that a good thing |
| 22:02.59 | JoshH | hearing my step sister play the piano used to be a source of much anguish for me |
| 22:03.00 | elg | jlp_work: see, there's a good thing. sell the old unused thing for teeth |
| 22:03.01 | elg | that's practical |
| 22:03.06 | jlp_work | yep |
| 22:03.17 | jlp_work | teeth good, organ no one has played for 10 years, bad |
| 22:04.26 | elg | $600 at zzounds. :) |
| 22:04.38 | elg | plus $30 for a stand |
| 22:04.43 | elg | free shipping |
| 22:05.53 | lars-ut | ~praise Vantec Avox Jukebox media playback/portable storage device |
| 22:05.54 | ibot | All hail Vantec Avox Jukebox media playback/portable storage device! |
| 22:06.42 | lars-ut | hooked the Avox Jukebox up last night - excellent Xvid/DivX & audio playback |
| 22:07.11 | lars-ut | now if I could only get a perpendicular lappy drive from dataw0lf.... |
| 22:07.30 | dataw0lf | if only I had remembered it when I went to lunch with jsmith and herlo... |
| 22:07.36 | lars-ut | crap! |
| 22:07.41 | dataw0lf | :) hehe, sorry |
| 22:07.47 | findlay_work | ~carp |
| 22:07.49 | ibot | rumour has it, carp is a smelly icky fishy that you catch out of a lake |
| 22:09.24 | dataw0lf | the network visualization stuff this toshiba laptop came with is pretty useless, but it's cool nonetheless. |
| 22:11.36 | maquis | elg: didn't you say you got a p80 or something recently? |
| 22:12.18 | elg | p70 |
| 22:12.23 | elg | came yesterday |
| 22:12.26 | maquis | ooh |
| 22:12.28 | maquis | how is it? |
| 22:12.32 | elg | nifty |
| 22:12.44 | maquis | you got it all hooked up and everything? |
| 22:13.17 | dataw0lf | p70 keyboard? :) |
| 22:15.59 | elg | maquis: yeah, although I still need to get a midi cable to make it a full citizen of my studio |
| 22:16.07 | maquis | elg: cool |
| 22:16.14 | maquis | elg: where'd you get it? |
| 22:16.22 | maquis | new/used? |
| 22:16.28 | elg | new |
| 22:16.30 | elg | zzounds.com |
| 22:16.31 | maquis | nice |
| 22:16.35 | elg | $600 free shipping |
| 22:16.40 | lars-ut | Last night I watched a neat video on a savant - Daniel Tammet. |
| 22:16.44 | maquis | not too bad |
| 22:16.51 | maquis | definitely out of range til i start work |
| 22:17.06 | maquis | but after that, i could probably handle it after a month or two |
| 22:17.08 | elg | http://www.zzounds.com/item--YAMP70 |
| 22:17.25 | dataw0lf | oh, wow, a p70 piano for real, nice. |
| 22:17.35 | dataw0lf | I need decent piano to tune to. |
| 22:17.43 | maquis | elg: is that a separate stand, or did that come with it? |
| 22:17.51 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: you catch that recent Nova on global dimming? |
| 22:17.52 | elg | separate |
| 22:18.03 | elg | zzounds actually doesn't sell that stand. |
| 22:18.04 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: nope, but I will... |
| 22:18.09 | lars-ut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet |
| 22:18.16 | maquis | elg: weird |
| 22:18.27 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: it's pretty interesting stuff. |
| 22:18.31 | elg | if you want the matching stand you can probably get it though |
| 22:18.45 | maquis | elg: yeah... i don't really care |
| 22:18.54 | elg | I think you'll find that stand more expensive than a $30 stage stand |
| 22:18.56 | maquis | i'd probably find a card table or something at DI instead |
| 22:19.05 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: this one? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/ |
| 22:19.06 | brac | [NOVA | Dimming the Sun | PBS] |
| 22:19.07 | elg | or the home-depot DIY special that I'm going to do this summer. :) |
| 22:19.13 | dataw0lf | lars-ut: that's the one |
| 22:19.40 | dataw0lf | the effect airplane contrails have on the climate is pretty amazing. |
| 22:21.49 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: please tell me this isn't more "Al Gore" crap |
| 22:22.15 | dataw0lf | haha no |
| 22:22.23 | lars-ut | really? |
| 22:23.23 | dataw0lf | It isn't. |
| 22:24.00 | lars-ut | in that case I will watch. just found a tvrip - looking for hd torrent... |
| 22:24.26 | dataw0lf | word |
| 22:24.28 | dataw0lf | I'm out |
| 22:31.26 | synic | http://qdb.zzq.org/?621 |
| 22:31.28 | brac | [zzq quote database] |
| 22:39.44 | elg | curious, can one make a new file linking to an existing inode that was a file before it was deleted but is still a file without a name because some program has it open? |
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| 22:43.46 | jsmith | elg: Good question. |
| 22:43.52 | jsmith | elg: Try it and see! |
| 22:44.04 | elg | hehe. if I knew how to try I might just. :) |
| 22:44.28 | elg | my guess is no |
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| 22:44.31 | elg | for security reasons |
| 22:44.35 | jlp_work | elg, I would think you could do that |
| 22:44.45 | elg | unless the security info is still there |
| 22:44.48 | jlp_work | once the file has been unlinked, it has no relationship with the name any more |
| 22:44.52 | elg | but isn't that a directory entry thing? |
| 22:45.36 | jlp_work | test plan: cat > /tmp/foo from another window, rm /tmp/foo; touch /tmp/foo |
| 22:45.46 | jlp_work | but I'm pretty sure it's not a problem |
| 22:45.48 | elg | oh, well if you do that you get two files |
| 22:45.52 | elg | that's not the question |
| 22:46.06 | jlp_work | oh, wait, you want the same file? |
| 22:46.07 | elg | I want to reattach to the first foo |
| 22:46.14 | elg | i don't care if the name is the same or not |
| 22:46.21 | jlp_work | the only way you can do that is if you still have a link to it somewhere |
| 22:46.25 | elg | here's what I did. I moved a big file from one partition to another |
| 22:46.32 | elg | then changed my mind and want to move it back, but there's not room |
| 22:46.39 | jlp_work | i.e., cat > foo; ln foo bar; rm foo |
| 22:46.47 | elg | because the first file is really still there, until this other program that I don't want to close releases it |
| 22:46.59 | elg | jlp_work: exactly. but the rm came before the ln |
| 22:46.59 | jlp_work | you're hosed |
| 22:47.11 | elg | well, not hosed. it was just a curiosity.. :) |
| 22:47.16 | jlp_work | if you've unlinked it, you can't get it back |
| 22:47.25 | jlp_work | (at least, I don't know of a way) |
| 22:48.06 | jlp_work | there may be a way with /dev/fd or something like that |
| 22:48.20 | elg | ya |
| 22:48.33 | jlp_work | no, it looks like the stuff in /dev/fd just looks like symlinks |
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| 22:53.26 | jlp_work | if linux had fsdb you could maybe find it's inode (via lsof) and link it back in to the filesystem, but I don't know of fsdb for linux (and you shouldn't run fsdb on a live/mounted filesystem anyway) |
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| 23:11.35 | herlo | hola RyanE |
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