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| 00:11.43 | atoponce_ | maquis: eh, it was the first thing that came to mind |
| 00:12.13 | maquis | atoponce_: huh? |
| 00:12.40 | atoponce_ | regarding your aol question last night. sorry |
| 00:12.56 | maquis | atoponce_: what was the question? i just need a brief refresher as to what i said... |
| 00:13.21 | atoponce | "did you *really* just use AOL as a good example???" |
| 00:13.27 | maquis | oh |
| 00:13.27 | atoponce | referreing to my blog post, i assume |
| 00:13.28 | maquis | yeah |
| 00:13.40 | maquis | yes... it was in reference to your blog post |
| 00:13.45 | maquis | and it had me rather shocked |
| 00:14.16 | atoponce | yeah. i could've spent a few more minutes and come up with a better example, but that suffices |
| 00:14.54 | atoponce | point is, streamlining and integratig apps with the deskopt is where gnome needs to be, and just isn't right now. |
| 00:15.01 | atoponce | kde is heading that are much better, imho |
| 00:15.11 | maquis | atoponce: and i would argue that it's exactly where we should be moving away from |
| 00:15.19 | atoponce | why? |
| 00:15.53 | maquis | i like the old unix philosophy... a lot of small programs that each do one thing and do it quickly and well |
| 00:17.00 | atoponce | for me, with guis, i want to see sever applications work together seamlessly |
| 00:17.05 | atoponce | *several |
| 00:19.35 | maquis | but what if there's an app included that you don't want |
| 00:19.42 | maquis | or, you'd rather use something else instead of that app? |
| 00:20.28 | maquis | it really bugs me when i want to install a media player or something, and i end up having to install 70% of gnome or kde just to get the media player working |
| 00:21.02 | maquis | i can get multiple apps to work together.... |
| 00:21.12 | maquis | it's not that hard... |
| 00:21.26 | maquis | and it's better than trying to get one of the apps to work without another one that it claims is necessary |
| 00:22.40 | atoponce | good point. i wouldn't necessarily require the apps to work, but have the ability to work with other apps if installed. otherwise, use a different default app |
| 00:23.23 | maquis | yeah... |
| 00:23.30 | maquis | sorry... you just got me on a bit of a pet peeve :) |
| 00:23.47 | maquis | i was actually thinking about blogging about this issue once i get rss working correctly :) |
| 00:24.13 | atoponce | np. |
| 00:25.24 | maquis | has anybody else had a problem with bloglines eating spaces around links? |
| 00:26.10 | atoponce | haven't tried it. actually looking into feedburner |
| 00:29.07 | maquis | lol |
| 00:29.14 | maquis | your most recent post is pretty funny, btw |
| 00:33.29 | lars-ut | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 01:06.12 | emcnabb | this may be pretty obvious, but I'm just not seeing it. In Evolution's calendar, how do you make Saturday and Sunday each have their own day box (instead of having a single box split in two)? |
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| 02:00.06 | maquis | youch!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:02.25 | mrpull-x | maquis: Bloglines doesn't eat any spaces for me (generally Firefox on Windows) |
| 02:02.30 | jsmith-away | emcnabb: I found it! |
| 02:02.49 | mrpull-x | maquis: but it is starting to bother me with redundant posts |
| 02:02.58 | jsmith-away | Edit->Preferences->Calendar->Display->Compress Weekends in Month View |
| 02:03.16 | herlo | jsmith-away, emcnabb: holy crap that's hidden |
| 02:05.16 | Supaplex | ~lart rush hour traffic |
| 02:05.23 | Supaplex | YEH! |
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| 02:10.32 | maquis | mrpull-x: hmmm |
| 02:11.52 | mrpull-x | maquis: What browser/os are you using? |
| 02:13.19 | maquis | mrpull-x: firefox linux... it only seems to have the problem with my rss feed... and i'm trying to determine what would cause it... wgetting the rss feed doesn't show any problems, but viewing it in firefox shows where the problem may be occurring |
| 02:13.50 | maquis | if i can confirm it on another feed reader, i'll accept that to mean i've got *something* wrong on my end |
| 02:14.17 | maquis | but i was hoping that, since the feed comes down with wget fine, i was hoping the problem was someplace else |
| 02:14.30 | maquis | i haven't found anything on google about the problem... |
| 02:14.38 | mrpull-x | maquis: ah, I see. i thought you had problems on several feeds |
| 02:18.33 | maquis | if anyone has any ideas, my feed is at http://www.tuxgirl.com/rss.php |
| 02:18.57 | maquis | i want to get all the bugs ironed out before it goes to planet utah... |
| 02:19.05 | mrpull-x | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.09 | maquis | but i don't know where to look for this oe |
| 02:21.25 | maquis | i think it's following all the rss2.0 standards |
| 02:21.46 | maquis | i'm going to try to find someplace where i can feed it in and get feedback on that |
| 02:22.16 | mrpull-x | bloglines on ie6 doesn't show spaces before and after links |
| 02:23.06 | maquis | yeah... |
| 02:23.10 | maquis | same problem i'm having... |
| 02:23.24 | maquis | i can't figure out why |
| 02:25.06 | mrpull-x | that is odd. it's gotta be bloglines, but why? |
| 02:29.33 | tensai | maquis: http://bloglines.com/preview?siteid=5273047 |
| 02:29.57 | tensai | the older ones are incorrect, but your latest test looks fine |
| 02:30.47 | tensai | maquis: for that I used rss.php?foo=1 so it forced a reload. compare to rss.php at http://bloglines.com/preview?siteid=5269682 |
| 02:31.51 | tensai | also, those dates are all showing up the same. you'll want to correct that or it's bound to mess up planet utah which appears to be quite sensitive |
| 02:34.33 | tensai | ~lart paperwork |
| 02:37.39 | mrpull-x | maquis: any clues here? http://www.feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tuxgirl.com%2Frss.php |
| 02:41.55 | mrpull-x | maquis: the elements are case sensitive... webMaster and pubDate could be contributing to the problem... but that seems a little far fetched |
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| 02:43.34 | elg | so happy, I just booted into linux and wpa-supplicant/ifplugd did everything right and I was on the net before I even logged in |
| 02:43.40 | elg | (bcm43xx) |
| 02:44.24 | tensai | ~electrocute elg |
| 02:44.25 | ibot | ACTION puts 40,000 volts through elg |
| 02:48.04 | mrpull-x | maquis: The links do not even show up on protopage |
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| 03:10.19 | maquis | mrpull-x: sorry... i disappeared temporarily |
| 03:10.27 | maquis | that's weird that the links don't even show up on protopage |
| 03:11.23 | maquis | hmm |
| 03:11.39 | maquis | i wonder what i did differently between the tests... |
| 03:11.40 | mrpull-x | i read around a little bit (i know nothing about rss), and it indicated you really shouldn't put any HTML in RSS feeds |
| 03:11.59 | mrpull-x | (keep presentation and data apart) |
| 03:12.07 | maquis | mrpull-x: hmm... i wonder how to get around that... |
| 03:12.26 | mrpull-x | it seems everybody puts <a href....> in their feeds |
| 03:12.30 | maquis | tensai: thans for pointing all that out... |
| 03:12.36 | maquis | mrpull-x: yeah... that's what i figured.. |
| 03:13.49 | maquis | why does bloglines see everything as having been posted on the same day? the rss feed itself doesn't show it that way... |
| 03:13.55 | mrpull-x | i wouldn't think that aggregators would be too picky about case sensitivity |
| 03:13.57 | tensai | I know my feed has <a> and <img>, as well as some text formatting. it works fine (and even passed the validator) |
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| 03:17.14 | tensai | maquis: compare the dates in our feeds |
| 03:17.22 | tensai | yours: <pubDate>19 April 2006 14:29:00 GMT</pubDate> |
| 03:17.30 | tensai | mine: <pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:07:05 -0600</pubDate> |
| 03:17.47 | maquis | tensai: yeah... i just saw that :) |
| 03:17.52 | tensai | essentially yours is non-parseable and thus non-existant |
| 03:17.57 | maquis | :) |
| 03:18.14 | maquis | tensai: yours didn't have the validator complain about <a> tags? |
| 03:18.32 | QBFreak | any amateur (ham) radio operators here? |
| 03:18.39 | tensai | just about a non-qualified link which was only a warning |
| 03:18.58 | tensai | QBFreak: obfuscated |
| 03:19.20 | QBFreak | tensai: ? |
| 03:19.32 | QBFreak | oh heh |
| 03:19.33 | tensai | QBFreak: the person named "obfuscated" is a ham |
| 03:19.44 | tensai | :) |
| 03:19.46 | QBFreak | I just figured out thats what you were saying :) |
| 03:20.25 | QBFreak | obfuscated: *poke* |
| 03:23.03 | mrpull-x | maquis: bloglines may be a bad test bed because it doesn't download your feed for every user |
| 03:23.19 | maquis | mrpull-x: yeah |
| 03:26.00 | maquis | ooh |
| 03:26.02 | tensai | but as I showed, if you append a nonce to the url it will |
| 03:26.02 | maquis | ok... |
| 03:26.19 | maquis | so, if i just open the feed itself, on the first link, it doesn't see it as a piece of the xml |
| 03:26.22 | maquis | but the others do |
| 03:26.48 | maquis | and i just figured out why |
| 03:26.54 | maquis | ~lart maquis |
| 03:28.28 | maquis | w00t! |
| 03:28.30 | maquis | i validated |
| 03:29.10 | maquis | and now it all plays nicely!!! |
| 03:29.13 | maquis | except for the dates |
| 03:29.17 | maquis | which i'm not sure why they're stupid |
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| 03:34.14 | mrpull-x | maquis: what was the change that fixed the links? |
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| 03:38.06 | maquis | mrpull-x: str_replace("<","<"), etc |
| 03:38.35 | maquis | now i just have to figure out why the dates still hate me |
| 03:47.51 | tensai | maquis: you want an rfc 2822 format date. see format code "r". |
| 03:49.19 | tensai | date("r") or date(DATE_RFC822) |
| 03:50.47 | tensai | DATE_RFC822 seems not to work for me, but "r" does |
| 03:54.47 | maquis | tensai: where do you run date("r")? |
| 03:55.11 | tensai | in your php code. I assume you're using php based on the script name, rss.php. |
| 03:55.28 | maquis | i'm pulling the date out of the database, though |
| 03:55.43 | tensai | well store the date in a better format then |
| 03:56.05 | tensai | you can probably convert it |
| 03:57.08 | maquis | tensai: you date: <pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:07:05 -0600</pubDate> my date: <pubDate>11 Mar 2006 14:30:00 -0600</pubDate> |
| 03:57.26 | tensai | almost |
| 03:57.28 | maquis | but when i looked in the rfc, it said the the day of week was optional |
| 03:57.47 | tensai | oh, really? guess I've always seen it |
| 03:58.09 | maquis | i'll add it in |
| 03:58.19 | tensai | is your date stored in the database as a text field or a date field? |
| 03:58.35 | maquis | it's a datetime |
| 03:58.41 | maquis | i can get the day of week using date_part |
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| 03:59.01 | tensai | yeah, you can just use the database date formatting. that's better anyway. |
| 03:59.14 | maquis | what are my roommates watching? |
| 03:59.41 | tensai | hang on, lemme grab my binoculars and climb back up the tree |
| 04:07.34 | maquis | w00t! |
| 04:07.36 | maquis | it worked! |
| 04:09.01 | maquis | tensai: how often does bloglines update a feed? |
| 04:09.36 | maquis | seems like they ought to do it reasonably regularly |
| 04:10.03 | tensai | from my logs, looks like 30 minutes |
| 04:10.39 | mrpull-x | big aggregators like bloglines are a mixed blessing |
| 04:12.21 | tensai | mrpull-x: because... |
| 04:12.43 | mheath | Bunch of people came into applebees wearing cisco jacket, and a guy had a comcast shirt |
| 04:12.56 | mrpull-x | tensai: like you said, they only update every so often |
| 04:13.05 | mrpull-x | tensai: so it reduces the load on your server |
| 04:13.24 | mrpull-x | tensai: but also makes it harder to determine how many people are reading your feeds |
| 04:13.52 | tensai | that's why bloglines puts it in the user agent. "Bloglines/3.0-rho (h |
| 04:13.52 | tensai | ttp://www.bloglines.com; 4 subscribers)" |
| 04:14.08 | QBFreak | nice |
| 04:14.09 | tensai | oops? where'd that newline come from. well, you get the idea |
| 04:14.18 | mrpull-x | tensai: how often do those 4 subscribers hit your feeds? |
| 04:14.30 | maquis | the main thing i'm curious about is, i just added another test-item... i want to know whether it's going to show 5 items or 1 item in bloglines |
| 04:14.31 | mrpull-x | can you track all four separately? |
| 04:15.00 | tensai | mrpull-x: no, they're aggregated into one hit. but as the subscribers go up, so does the count in the user agent. |
| 04:15.24 | tensai | I only get 1 hit from bloglines every half hour |
| 04:16.04 | mrpull-x | and if it says X subscribers in the agent, do you assume all 10 subscribers are reading that feed (/me guesses not) |
| 04:16.22 | QBFreak | I think what mrpull-x is getting at is that you know how many but not if one has left and one has joined since last report |
| 04:16.23 | maquis | tensai: then, if they click to read the whole article, you see them :) |
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| 04:16.55 | mrpull-x | maquis: good point. i try to read the whole article in the aggregator when I can. |
| 04:16.56 | tensai | QBFreak: that's true. it's just mindless statistics though, so I don't think it matters. |
| 04:17.10 | QBFreak | hehe |
| 04:17.11 | mrpull-x | tensai: it would if you were selling ads |
| 04:17.25 | tensai | I've started included longer articles in the feed, but I hate to make my site too long |
| 04:17.34 | maquis | mrpull-x: sorry... mine is only sending the 1st paragraph... i find it rather annoying when i have to scroll through entire articles if i'm not interested in them... |
| 04:17.55 | maquis | i prefer getting a brief idea of what the article's about, and then deciding whether i want to read the rest of it |
| 04:17.56 | tensai | mrpull-x: good point. but you can just include an img link back to your site so if somebody does actually read it, you'll see that hit |
| 04:18.22 | tensai | I've seen adsense in feeds. or I did until I adblocked it. |
| 04:18.24 | QBFreak | webbugs! |
| 04:18.32 | mrpull-x | tensai: i didn't consider that. nice point. |
| 04:18.35 | mheath | yah, I have a blog now! :) |
| 04:19.11 | QBFreak | I do but I never told _anyone_ about it, so no one reads it :) |
| 04:19.13 | tensai | QBFreak: they're not webbugs in the truest sense because you only get one feed, but same idea |
| 04:19.38 | mheath | http://usmcgeek.blogspot.com |
| 04:19.41 | brac | [Loose Bits] |
| 04:19.42 | QBFreak | tensai: it has been very long since I read about them, the details are fuzzy :) |
| 04:20.21 | mrpull-x | maquis: i like feeds that give me the option for full or summary |
| 04:20.55 | QBFreak | thats it! now I know what program to write for my palm |
| 04:21.32 | tensai | mrpull-x: that's a good idea. now I wish drupal could do that. |
| 04:21.32 | QBFreak | a scanner frequency database so I can look up what is commonly found on what frequencies and find out who "owns" particular ones I've found data for |
| 04:22.13 | maquis | mrpull-x: sure... having the option would be nice... but that'll have to wait a while.... |
| 04:22.43 | maquis | i just hacked this script up this afternoon... |
| 04:22.53 | maquis | currently, 'm just hoping it works correctly |
| 04:23.00 | tensai | http://dir.salon.com/story/tech/feature/2003/03/12/spectrum/index.html |
| 04:23.03 | brac | [Salon Directory] |
| 04:23.14 | tensai | speaking of frequencies, I remembered that article |
| 04:23.28 | tensai | which is actually titled "The Myth of Interference" |
| 04:23.31 | tensai | ~lart brac |
| 04:24.10 | QBFreak | ARG Excel knows when I have a header row, why can't OOo Calc do that |
| 04:24.18 | QBFreak | I try and sort and my header gets thrown at the bottom |
| 04:24.48 | tensai | ooo always seems to figure it out for me. maybe I'm special. |
| 04:24.52 | QBFreak | I have to select all of my data if I want to sort and exclude it |
| 04:26.52 | QBFreak | it should be relatively obvious, the column I'm selecting is all numeric except for the header |
| 04:26.55 | QBFreak | but it is a custom numeric type, I need four decimal places |
| 04:33.33 | maquis | http://www.jumbojoke.com/a_rabbit_for_easter_677.html |
| 04:33.34 | brac | [A Rabbit for Easter] |
| 04:42.06 | TheDiff | who is familiar with intel XScale processors |
| 04:42.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I vaugely am |
| 04:42.43 | TheDiff | ScytheBlade1: do you know how much current they can source |
| 04:42.51 | TheDiff | like have you done any Dev on them |
| 04:43.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I've compiled existing stuff on them, but that's about it ;) |
| 04:43.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd recommend checking around the ARM website actually |
| 04:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | They have rather detailed info about most everything |
| 04:43.33 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, and who will be the owner of the 5600? :) |
| 04:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, the trash can. I leaned against it wrong, obliterated the screen. |
| 04:44.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It costs more to repair than to buy new. |
| 04:44.12 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 04:44.42 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 04:45.37 | TheDiff | emerge is destroying my box :( |
| 04:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Ha! |
| 04:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I now have the complete set of LDS scriptures - in XML! |
| 04:48.10 | ScytheBlade1 | -rw-r--r-- 1 kyle users 1.5M Apr 19 22:47 lds-xml.tar.bz2 |
| 04:48.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Not bad |
| 04:48.35 | mheath | I need to get Linux for my DS =\ |
| 04:48.51 | mheath | Wow, only 1.5M? |
| 04:48.56 | ScytheBlade1 | in .bz2 |
| 04:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | But yes |
| 04:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | uncompressed, and considering that every footnote is done like "<footnote id='a'>word</footnote>" |
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| 04:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | it's 12MB |
| 04:49.23 | mheath | w/ indexes, annotations, and such? |
| 04:49.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Just the raw text atm |
| 04:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Indexes are nothing |
| 04:49.43 | ScytheBlade1 | annotations are coming |
| 04:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | In the end, I hope to have the complete everything in XML - for my soon to be coming SL-6000 ;) |
| 04:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw it on an SD card as cramfs |
| 04:50.34 | mheath | sigh.... |
| 04:50.40 | mheath | Wish I had an SL-6000 |
| 04:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 04:50.43 | mheath | Ora decent computer |
| 04:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It's my graduation present |
| 04:50.52 | mheath | My best computer is this 450mhz Pentium3. |
| 04:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Throw in a bluetooth keyboard |
| 04:51.03 | mheath | And this is the last computer I'll probably use for years |
| 04:51.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Take off the backlight and wifi, the 6000 has just under 12 hours of battery life |
| 04:51.12 | mheath | (except for checking e-mail occasionally) |
| 04:51.25 | mheath | Heh, wish I was graduating |
| 04:51.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You're not? |
| 04:51.33 | mheath | Nope. |
| 04:51.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Military, I know |
| 04:51.39 | ScytheBlade1 | But... no graduation? |
| 04:51.41 | mheath | http://usmcgeek.blogspot.com |
| 04:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | GED? |
| 04:51.42 | brac | [Loose Bits] |
| 04:51.57 | mheath | bottom post |
| 04:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering the circumstances |
| 04:53.17 | ScytheBlade1 | The chances of you getting .75 credits wavived is... absudely high |
| 04:53.20 | ScytheBlade1 | *absurdely |
| 04:53.27 | mheath | Maybe. |
| 04:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | No, really, it is |
| 04:53.38 | mheath | My counselor didn't even mention that as an optioin |
| 04:53.41 | mheath | Didn't say anything about that |
| 04:53.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't even matter |
| 04:53.55 | mheath | She is, however, looking up 'options' |
| 04:53.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Seth Terashima, guy in my school, got his debate credits converted into art credits |
| 04:53.59 | mheath | I have a meeting with her tomorrow |
| 04:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | debate --> art |
| 04:54.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... ;) |
| 04:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You can get .75 waived, considering you moving up a grade |
| 04:54.25 | mheath | CS --> science? :-) |
| 04:54.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ask for them to waive it first |
| 04:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Again, you have a GOOD shot at that |
| 04:54.49 | mheath | That seems unethical |
| 04:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Failing that, and again, you moved up a grade... I'd say you have an equally good shot at that |
| 04:55.06 | mheath | Not my personal ethics, really.... |
| 04:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Regardless |
| 04:55.25 | mheath | but I can see this counselor glaring at me and asking "What in the world are you thinking?" if I said "Can we just waive it?" |
| 04:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | As ^Migs^ said, apparently, it IS common (in a way) |
| 04:55.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | If you phrase it that way, it's not happening ;) |
| 04:56.04 | mheath | well, I know |
| 04:56.11 | mheath | I'm wondering if she'll try to do something like that |
| 04:56.22 | mheath | As I said, she seemed lost as far as what to do... |
| 04:56.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "Considering that I've moved up a grade from where I should be, my impending military service, and yet I somehow managed to pull off two complete years in the time of one... I don't see 0.75 credits being that big of a deal." |
| 04:57.44 | mheath | See the post above that one, though, too |
| 04:57.50 | mheath | I'm really concerned about this |
| 04:58.01 | mheath | If I don't graduate, now, its going to delay my enlistment for a full year. |
| 04:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You *can* get them waived |
| 04:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Saying, "Can I just... get them... you know, forgotten? Waived? Ignored?" won't do it ;) |
| 04:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's certaintly possible |
| 05:01.51 | mheath | We'll see what she says tomorrow |
| 05:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Just be a little more assertive |
| 05:02.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I've learned that very little *isn't* possible, despite all of the rules and regulations, in public schooling |
| 05:03.04 | ScytheBlade1 | They may not say it, but they CAN make an exception to basically ANYTHING |
| 05:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | For pretty much any reason |
| 05:03.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just a matter of convincing them of it :) |
| 05:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 05:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | You have to be polite about it... ;) |
| 05:04.55 | QBFreak | he also was pretty much entirely responsible for all IT in the whole school so... |
| 05:06.08 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, you haven't met Mrs. Blood. |
| 05:06.40 | mheath | Meet Mrs. Blood. The reason our spring break was 1 day, and the reason a lot of student's favorite teachers are getting sacked. |
| 05:06.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it the last name is descriptive of the persona? ;) |
| 05:07.06 | mheath | Mrs. Blood doesn't allow things to happen that she dislikes, and she likes very little. |
| 05:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | VP/P/Counselor? |
| 05:07.59 | mheath | Principal |
| 05:08.09 | mheath | So what, a lot of teachers are commonly late for school? |
| 05:08.33 | mheath | Mr. Jepperson was late one day! She saw him! What a perfect opportunity to give him a written warning about how his contract requires him to be on time! |
| 05:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to head to bed |
| 05:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Parsing scriptures.lds.org's HTML is enough to drive one insane as-is, let alone when I'm tired ;) |
| 05:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | That said: really, she CAN do ANYTHING she pleases concerning your graduation. |
| 05:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just a matter of convincing her that she wants to. |
| 05:10.08 | QBFreak | laters ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:10.12 | mheath | ScytheBlade1, they're careful, too though |
| 05:10.18 | mheath | The principal a few years ago.... |
| 05:10.38 | mheath | Got into a big publicized fiasco when he 'changed a sports players grades to keep him eligible' |
| 05:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a difference between changing grades for sports players |
| 05:11.05 | QBFreak | AHG I just want a macro to prepend some text to the contents of a handful of cells! |
| 05:11.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And waiving 0.75 credits for someone a year ahead of where he should be for impending military service |
| 05:11.09 | QBFreak | DIE! |
| 05:11.30 | mheath | be back tomorrow |
| 05:11.31 | mheath | sleep! |
| 05:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 05:11.34 | QBFreak | not you, OOo Calc |
| 05:11.38 | QBFreak | laters mheath, ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:11.50 | ScytheBlade1 | and does just that :) |
| 05:11.53 | mheath | PREPARE TO MOUNT..............MOUNT! ;-P |
| 05:12.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Before I do though |
| 05:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I urge anyone here to open up http://scriptures.lds.org/1_ne/1/1a#1a |
| 05:12.21 | brac | [1 Ne. 1: 1 (Footnotes)] |
| 05:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | And try to extract the actual content from that page :) |
| 05:12.41 | ScytheBlade1 | s/page/page's source/ |
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| 05:27.20 | maquis | why isn't bloglines seeing that i have a new post? |
| 05:28.27 | tensai | apparently your midas touch works over the internet |
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| 05:40.09 | QBFreak | hmm, interesting, according to the FCC database all of the restaurants in monroe that use this frequency for drive thru have either expired or revoked licenses |
| 05:40.52 | QBFreak | and I'm pretty sure its actually Wendy's that uses it, which has no license for that freq... |
| 05:42.56 | bertbob | FCC is too busy pushing DRM to bother with trifles like that and SLC cops swearing on their car to car channels |
| 05:43.48 | QBFreak | I just found it amusing |
| 05:53.30 | findlay | ~rampage |
| 05:53.39 | QBFreak | ~rampage findlay |
| 05:53.41 | ibot | ACTION throws angry squirrels bearing laser-equiped helmets at findlay |
| 05:56.07 | findlay | hey maquis, can you touch my server so that it turns to gold? Thanks |
| 05:56.48 | QBFreak | imagine, conductive insulators |
| 05:57.03 | QBFreak | silicon-less CPUs |
| 05:57.04 | findlay | wilh the power on, after all |
| 05:57.16 | QBFreak | fans that don't spin |
| 05:57.37 | QBFreak | and worst of all, LEDs that don't light up |
| 05:57.49 | findlay | but, then people seem to equate mass of gold directly to money |
| 05:58.18 | QBFreak | I suppose you could sell it to a rich geek who wants a cool paperweight, or maybe to a gold recycler |
| 05:58.27 | findlay | if I rehammered it into an attractive shape, I bet somebody would buy it for a lot |
| 06:02.29 | maquis | findlay: umm... if i touch it, it'll suddenly start giving a million errors, but it won't turn to gold... |
| 06:02.54 | findlay | what about uranium? |
| 06:04.45 | QBFreak | iinteresting, same freq is registered to the local hospital as the skittles race team, good hting there's no race track in this county :) |
| 06:06.07 | QBFreak | yes I'm aware of the differences in radio power between an in-car mike/cam and an ambulance :p |
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| 06:17.49 | findlay | stupid irssi |
| 06:18.02 | QBFreak | what did you do to it? |
| 06:19.09 | findlay | that was wierd |
| 06:19.29 | QBFreak | I definitly need a better scanner :) |
| 06:20.02 | findlay | I had to move the cat5 cable from the front of the book around behind it |
| 06:20.15 | QBFreak | and that was enough to kick you off? |
| 06:20.15 | findlay | I had 300 seconds before irssi disconnected |
| 06:20.46 | QBFreak | one that does trunking...that would be awesome |
| 06:20.49 | findlay | and I finished in enough time, but then freenode wouldn't respond to pings |
| 06:20.53 | QBFreak | ah |
| 06:21.12 | findlay | so I could only watch as it timed out (: |
| 06:21.35 | findlay | and then I forced a new connect while the old session was still going |
| 06:22.47 | findlay | s/book/bookcase/ |
| 06:31.22 | QBFreak | Bah, I hate ebay |
| 06:31.31 | QBFreak | you find stuff at such good prices that you just have to buy it |
| 06:36.26 | findlay | and that's when you find out how much they want to charge for "shipping" (: |
| 06:36.40 | QBFreak | I checked that, still $60 less than in the store |
| 06:36.49 | QBFreak | and a lot closer to what I might consider paying |
| 06:37.01 | QBFreak | I'm trying to figure out if I want to talk myself into or out of buying it |
| 06:38.53 | QBFreak | desktop/mobile scanner, store 1000 freqs, does the major trunking systems, can use nearby audio to find the frequency its coming from |
| 06:39.21 | QBFreak | comes with all the stuff you need to mount it in the car or at home |
| 06:40.02 | findlay | QBFreak: what about sdr? |
| 06:40.09 | QBFreak | sdr? |
| 06:40.13 | findlay | ~sdr |
| 06:40.16 | ibot | Multicast Session Directory Tool. URL: http://www-mice.cs.ucl.ac.uk/multimedia/software/sdr/ |
| 06:40.18 | brac | [Session Directory Tool] |
| 06:40.19 | findlay | ~define sdr |
| 06:40.49 | findlay | ~google sdr |
| 06:40.50 | QBFreak | software-defined radio? |
| 06:40.55 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:41.13 | QBFreak | doesn't say, so most likely not |
| 06:42.24 | findlay | but with SDR can't you just wrap aluminum around a stick and connect it to your serial port? (: |
| 06:42.37 | QBFreak | heh |
| 06:47.50 | QBFreak | findlay: I imagine I'm better off with the RS scanner I was looking at, at least with the hardware knowledge I have right now :) |
| 06:48.01 | QBFreak | that and its cheaper than a PC for the car....though I have always wanted one |
| 06:51.51 | QBFreak | ah yes, excluding the PC the GnuRadio FM tuner was over $1300 |
| 06:52.57 | QBFreak | granted the HD TV tuner used the same hardware... :) |
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| 07:14.58 | maquis | hmmm |
| 07:15.01 | maquis | comcast died |
| 07:18.31 | maquis | and then it came back |
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| 13:42.50 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
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| 14:34.47 | mheath_ | good morning! |
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| 14:52.23 | ^Migs^ | hi mheath_ |
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| 14:57.08 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 14:57.28 | sjansen | Why you ungrateful! I never! |
| 14:57.36 | sjansen | -lart ibot |
| 14:57.48 | sjansen | Ha! That'll teach you! |
| 14:58.56 | ^Migs^ | rlart |
| 14:58.58 | ^Migs^ | ~rlart |
| 14:59.33 | sjansen | much better |
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| 15:04.59 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 15:05.17 | mheath_ | Todays the day I find out if I'm going to graduate, I guess... |
| 15:09.22 | ECS | ~rlart |
| 15:18.09 | dataw0lf | http://ivygis.justec.co.in/ |
| 15:19.27 | emcnabb | jsmith: thanks for the Evolution help last night |
| 15:19.39 | jsmith | emcnabb: No problem... |
| 15:19.55 | jsmith | emcnabb: Glad I could answer a question for a McNabb... isn't every day I can do that. |
| 15:21.07 | emcnabb | haha |
| 15:21.33 | harleypig | A man escapes from a prison where he's been locked up for 15 years. |
| 15:21.40 | harleypig | He breaks into a house to look for money and guns. Inside, he finds a young couple in bed. He orders the guy out of bed and ties him to a chair. |
| 15:21.41 | elg | dataw0lf: cool, does it use svg? |
| 15:21.55 | harleypig | While tying the homeowner's wife to the bed, the convict gets on top of her, kisses her neck, then gets up and goes into the bathroom. |
| 15:22.08 | harleypig | If he wants sex, don't resist, don't complain...do whatever he tells you. Satisfy him no matter how much he nauseates you. This guy is obviously very dangerous. If he gets angry, he could kill us both. Be strong, honey. I love you!" |
| 15:22.38 | harleypig | His wife responds: "He wasn't kissing my neck. He was whispering in my ear. He told me that he's gay, thinks you're cute, and asked if we had any Vaseline. I told him it was in the bathroom. Be strong honey. I love you too. |
| 15:23.07 | herlo | nice harleypig! |
| 15:23.58 | elg | dataw0lf: seems awful slow |
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| 15:34.52 | dataw0lf | elg: it is, but it's just a proof of concept that the guys from the PostGIS team are about to start work on. |
| 15:36.48 | dataw0lf | <sing> he looks around, around, he sees angels in the architecture, spinning in infinity, he says Amen, and Hallelujah!</sing> |
| 15:44.15 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 15:44.29 | dataw0lf | I was actually going to call you Betty... |
| 15:45.10 | jsmith | Noooooo..... |
| 15:45.25 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 16:03.06 | ^Migs^ | I'm thinking of quitting my job |
| 16:03.33 | ^Migs^ | I'm having a mental breakdown, and it's terrifying. |
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| 16:04.03 | ^Migs^ | :( |
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| 16:09.01 | emcnabb | ^Migs^: apply at Guru Labs :-) |
| 16:09.13 | diesel | goozbach: Are you in FL. yet? |
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| 16:09.32 | ^Migs^ | where's Guru Labs? |
| 16:09.35 | emcnabb | Bountiful |
| 16:09.42 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 16:09.45 | ^Migs^ | I'm not a Linux expert |
| 16:09.59 | emcnabb | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 16:09.59 | ^Migs^ | no, there's just too much crap going on in my personal life |
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| 16:10.10 | ^Migs^ | I don't like to let things affect my work, but it is |
| 16:10.37 | ^Migs^ | maybe I should go to grad school instead |
| 16:13.57 | ^Migs^ | what's a good online grad school? |
| 16:14.15 | ^Migs^ | I've thought about Western Governor's, but that only has a master's in info tech management |
| 16:14.24 | ^Migs^ | and Univ of Phoenix is too expensive |
| 16:15.20 | dataw0lf | 'good' and 'online' ? |
| 16:15.34 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Exactly... |
| 16:16.23 | ^Migs^ | what would I do with an information technology management degree? Start a business? |
| 16:17.09 | sjansen | ^Migs^: Don't apply to GL if your mental breakdown includes violence against co-workers. Violence against emcnabb is acceptable, though. |
| 16:17.20 | sjansen | ~attack emcnabb |
| 16:17.21 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing emcnabb |
| 16:17.40 | sjansen | diesel: he is |
| 16:18.34 | ^Migs^ | I'm not having a mental breakdown (or am I?). I'm just frustrated. |
| 16:19.49 | sjansen | Try larting someone. Might I suggest Jayce^? |
| 16:19.54 | sjansen | ~paint Jayce^ |
| 16:19.55 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^ |
| 16:21.16 | emcnabb | ~attack sjansen |
| 16:21.17 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing sjansen |
| 16:21.28 | emcnabb | I love you ibot! |
| 16:21.43 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
| 16:21.53 | emcnabb | well, you are sometimes lame |
| 16:22.29 | sjansen | ~bzfrag emcnabb |
| 16:22.30 | ibot | ACTION destroys emcnabb with a guided missle |
| 16:22.38 | sjansen | Boring! |
| 16:22.43 | sjansen | ~travolta emcnabb |
| 16:22.44 | ibot | ACTION replaces emcnabb with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 16:23.40 | jlp_work | QBFreak: did you ever get an answer to your PL question? |
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| 16:30.47 | Jayce^ | maquis, my wife liked your comment.. |
| 16:30.57 | maquis | Jayce^: it's true :) |
| 16:32.30 | maquis | Jayce^: i know my dad's done some things like that on occasion... not intentionally.. it just happens because he doesn't think of it |
| 16:32.50 | Jayce^ | the funny thing is, she does really want one, and would use it the most |
| 16:33.08 | maquis | :) |
| 16:33.09 | Jayce^ | but she knows I really want one, so it's not *her* present then.. |
| 16:35.36 | maquis | yeah |
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| 16:37.03 | maquis | another thing i've seen is that my parents both have laptops... my mom's is always sitting upstairs in the rec room, and my dad's goes to and from work every day... so, my dad has found that it's easier to just use my mom's when he's at home |
| 16:37.15 | maquis | but he's always changing all the settings to how he likes things |
| 16:37.31 | maquis | and stuff like that |
| 16:38.29 | maquis | my mom's always getting upset because a setting that she's set is changed, or a file she was using moved, or something else like that |
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| 16:39.41 | Jayce^ | that's why I *had* to get my wife and I seperate computers, I play too much with things |
| 16:39.41 | maquis | Jayce^: they have separate computers... he just uses hers as much as he uses his own |
| 16:39.41 | Jayce^ | I'm forbidden from changing things on hers without express permission |
| 16:39.42 | maquis | which means that what it ends up as is he has 2 computers, and she occasionally uses one of them |
| 16:39.57 | Jayce^ | maquis, yeah, we *used* to do that... we had to stop in order to save the marriage :) |
| 16:39.57 | maquis | Jayce^: that's probably how it should be |
| 16:41.18 | jlp_work | maquis: why doesn't he just have his own account on her computer? then he can tweak his settings all he wants and not affect hers? |
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| 16:47.53 | emcnabb | The "insanely long name for a command" award goes to... klocaldomainurifilterhelper |
| 16:49.52 | maquis | jlp_work: because that would involve my mom learning how to switch accounts |
| 16:50.08 | maquis | (i think it's easy, but you'd be surprised |
| 16:50.09 | maquis | ) |
| 16:50.15 | maquis | emcnabb: wha???? |
| 16:50.21 | jlp_work | just teach her to log in (not too hard, my wife does it) and teach your dad to log out |
| 16:50.37 | jlp_work | heck, my seven-year-old knows how to log in and out of the family computer |
| 16:50.47 | maquis | jlp_work: yeah... i should work with her on that when i get home... |
| 16:50.51 | jlp_work | you see, I never enabled that "auto-login" crap |
| 16:51.02 | Jayce^ | jlp_work, yeah, but it took me *forever* to show my in-laws fast user switching |
| 16:51.09 | maquis | jlp_work: does you 7-year-old know how to play a cd on the computer without calling someone for help |
| 16:51.16 | Jayce^ | so simple, and yet they still use the other persons account half the time |
| 16:51.17 | emcnabb | wait... klocaldomainurifilterhelper has been beat by... kdontchangethehostname |
| 16:51.18 | jlp_work | maquis: of course |
| 16:51.27 | jlp_work | although my wife probably doesn't :-) |
| 16:51.30 | maquis | jlp_work: then he's ahead of my mom :) |
| 16:51.31 | emcnabb | which "Informs KDE about a change in hostname" |
| 16:51.37 | emcnabb | ? |
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| 16:52.51 | maquis | emcnabb: wait... kdontchangethehostname is for changing the hostname? |
| 16:53.41 | jlp_work | it must detect that the hostname has changed and somehow lets kde know this (although why kde should care is beyond me) |
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| 16:54.09 | emcnabb | it looks like it informs KDE about it; maybe they named it that because they don't want people typing the command |
| 16:54.27 | maquis | jlp_work: me neither :) |
| 16:57.07 | findlay | oh, whatever you obstinate CLI junkies (: |
| 16:57.21 | jlp_work | :-) |
| 16:57.51 | jlp_work | I currently have about 30 xterms open :-) |
| 16:58.07 | maquis | :) |
| 16:58.09 | jlp_work | to me, X is just a handy way to multiplex terminals |
| 16:58.23 | findlay | try walking into TAC before they closed down and telling everyone how great the command line is and you'll be laughed out of the store |
| 16:58.30 | maquis | jlp_work: what wm do you use? |
| 16:58.34 | jlp_work | fvwm2 |
| 16:58.43 | findlay | some may even reach for their baseball bats |
| 16:59.37 | jlp_work | I don't mind some gui apps... I have a few that I use (vmware, firefox, e-mail client, jpilot, xchat... that's about it) |
| 17:00.08 | findlay | what always got me with fits of laughing is when people try to convince me that the GUI way to do things is "modern" and the terminal is antiquated cruft and something to be abhorred |
| 17:00.46 | maquis | gui apps.... i like gvim (better colors than vim), firefox, xpdf and gaim.... |
| 17:00.51 | maquis | and bzflag |
| 17:00.55 | findlay | mainly because those people had no idea what they were talking about |
| 17:01.06 | findlay | they were just raised on MS |
| 17:01.28 | RyanE | well, in reality, the gui way IS more modern. Terminals were definitely invented before GUIs |
| 17:01.29 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon || ^Migs^ is on a rampage || bzflag tourney tonight! :) |
| 17:01.43 | RyanE | now, if they tried to say 'more efficient way of doing things', they'd be flat-out wrong in many cases. |
| 17:02.16 | maquis | i don't think the idea of a screen with windows on it is the ideal way to do a gui |
| 17:02.20 | maquis | i'm not sure what is, though |
| 17:03.36 | findlay | I want a GUI with a little animated character occasionally popping in on my work to annoy, I mean, help me do things |
| 17:03.50 | maquis | like xpenguins? |
| 17:03.52 | maquis | or xsnow? |
| 17:04.06 | maquis | ah... i just added bzflag, but didn't say where |
| 17:04.09 | maquis | oops |
| 17:04.32 | findlay | the character represents the superioirity of the computer's intellect and how hopelessly stupid of a luser I am |
| 17:04.59 | jlp_work | the WIMP interfaces have advantages for certain usages, but the cli will always be more flexible |
| 17:05.16 | findlay | always? |
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| 17:05.25 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon || ^Migs^ is on a rampage || bzflag tourney tonight (7:30pm-whenever we're done) -- phantom.byu.edu... i think it's ports 5154 and 5155 (if not, spr will fix this) |
| 17:05.26 | jlp_work | always!!@!1! |
| 17:06.15 | findlay | now I'm prepared to make a bold statement |
| 17:06.29 | findlay | I hope it isn't always more flexible |
| 17:06.32 | *** topic/#utah by spr -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon || ^Migs^ is on a rampage || bzflag tourney tonight (7:30pm-whenever we're done) -- phantom.byu.edu:5154 |
| 17:06.39 | *** part/#utah ^Migs^ (n=Migs@205.122.50.21) |
| 17:06.41 | findlay | I hope we find something better |
| 17:06.47 | maquis | spr: what are we playing? |
| 17:06.51 | maquis | and are rogues allowed? |
| 17:07.25 | jlp_work | findlay: I think I agree with you on that... if computers ever get smart enough to understand real language queries (think the computers on star trek), that will be more flexible |
| 17:07.50 | jlp_work | I hope that they do get smart enough for that, but I think it's going to take a lot longer than people think |
| 17:07.54 | spr | maquis, free for all, rogues and teams. |
| 17:08.00 | maquis | spr: nice |
| 17:08.06 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon || bzflag tourney tonight (7:30pm-whenever we're done) -- phantom.byu.edu:5154 |
| 17:08.16 | maquis | i hate it when people block rogues |
| 17:08.32 | findlay | maquis: it's like losing your freedom of anonymity |
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| 17:09.06 | findlay | jlp_work: I agree |
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| 17:36.27 | harleypig | I don't suppose anyone knows of a rdesktop plugin for mozilla? |
| 17:37.09 | harleypig | specifically, I'd like to be able to run something like rdesktop://server/options and just have it appear in a tab. |
| 17:37.23 | harleypig | This way I can have my own IE Tab in linux. |
| 17:37.25 | findlay | does konqueror do that? |
| 17:38.54 | harleypig | Dunno ... but I'm not using Konq, and have no desire to do so. |
| 17:39.14 | harleypig | If I have to drop out of my browser I can just run rdesktop from the command line. |
| 17:39.41 | JoshH | http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mibe/sw/rdesktop/ |
| 17:39.43 | brac | [np(rdesktop) as plugin for Mozilla/Netscape] |
| 17:39.49 | Jayce^ | so just use konq as your browser |
| 17:40.09 | findlay | you *will* use konqueror |
| 17:40.38 | JoshH | hmm that seems pretty old |
| 17:41.38 | harleypig | What? You think you're some kind of Jedi, waving your hand around like that? I'm a Toydarian, mind tricks don't work on me. Only money. No money, no parts, no deal! |
| 17:41.57 | harleypig | JoshH: looking |
| 17:42.10 | JoshH | it probably won't work, it looks to be from 2003 |
| 17:42.15 | JoshH | but maybe try it anyway |
| 17:42.44 | QBFreak | jlp_work: no I did not |
| 17:43.09 | QBFreak | I'm pretty sure from what I found on google that thats what it is |
| 17:43.40 | findlay | What? Where is it!? Oh, I forgot. I haven't invented it yet |
| 17:44.10 | jlp_work | QBFreak: PL refers to motorola's "private line" system, which is effectively the same as CTCSS |
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| 17:44.29 | QBFreak | ah cool, that makes sense |
| 17:45.02 | jlp_work | I have used some repeaters that require tone on their input, but do not retransmit that tone on their outputs... annoying if you don't know the tone |
| 17:45.27 | harleypig | JoshH: won't work with 1.5 *sigh* |
| 17:46.16 | jlp_work | that looks like a pretty sweat scanner, and not too expensive |
| 17:46.23 | jlp_work | s/sweat/sweet/ |
| 17:46.26 | QBFreak | yeah, found some new on ebay for $90 |
| 17:47.08 | jlp_work | you mentioned that you've found a lot of frequencies in use, where did you go for that information? just scanning around? |
| 17:47.59 | QBFreak | most of the frequencies I've found were just from scanning, although here and there I've found stuff on the internet |
| 17:48.27 | jlp_work | since my radio doesn't to trunk tracking, its usefulness as a scanner is rather limited |
| 17:48.39 | QBFreak | yeah, mine neither |
| 17:49.18 | jlp_work | and the stock antenna isn't that great for anything below about 117MHz |
| 17:49.18 | QBFreak | I've got a good 10-15 frequencies from Charlotte's trunked system, never know what will pop up on them :) |
| 17:49.41 | jlp_work | are you a ham? |
| 17:49.59 | QBFreak | in the car I have an RS scanner antenna, got it in a grab box, right now I've got the scanner in the house running off a CB antenna I mounted outside that was getting too poor SWR to use for CB |
| 17:50.10 | QBFreak | no, though I've thought about it |
| 17:50.47 | QBFreak | nifty |
| 17:50.56 | jlp_work | it's not difficult to pass the technician class exam if you have any interest at all |
| 17:51.53 | QBFreak | yeah, I've been thinking about looking into that |
| 17:52.10 | jlp_work | I think it's $12 to take the test these days |
| 17:52.37 | QBFreak | there's a repeater system that covers the next state over, I listen to it quite often |
| 17:53.04 | jlp_work | I've had my license for a couple of years already. don't operate too much as my commute is so short (I hate getting into a conversation and then having to bail out in the middle or sit in the car another 20 minutes after arriving at my destination :-) |
| 17:53.13 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 17:53.19 | jlp_work | but I've done some public service stuff. it's a lot of fun |
| 17:53.27 | jlp_work | bike race, parade, etc. |
| 17:53.31 | QBFreak | at the moment I'd have some of the same trouble, I'm delivering pizza while I look for an IT job |
| 17:54.29 | jlp_work | there are a few other hams on this channel, but you'll find more over on #hamradio :-) |
| 18:10.24 | QBFreak | this tutorial is poorly worded in a lot of places |
| 18:10.54 | QBFreak | "You must always use the minimum amount of power necessary to communicate. If you only need a low amount of power to reach your buddy across town, then down turn on your amplifier. It would be illegal since the extra power from the amplifier is unnecessary." |
| 18:11.11 | QBFreak | _what_ would be illegal? turning it down? I realize that is untrue but thats how it sounds :) |
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| 18:11.47 | QBFreak | BL4: afternoon |
| 18:12.46 | sjansen | Geez, this training center is starting to freak me out. |
| 18:13.15 | jlp_work | QBFreak: using full power would be technically against the regs |
| 18:13.31 | jlp_work | as a ham, you are allowed to use up to 1500W of power |
| 18:13.33 | QBFreak | jlp_work: right, it'd be nice if it was a little clearer on what it itended to say |
| 18:13.50 | QBFreak | I understood what they were saying, but they did a bad job of saying it :) |
| 18:14.00 | sjansen | It has great equipment. An amazing selection of snacks and drinks. A kinda modern art deco style, instead of standard boring corporate. |
| 18:14.02 | jlp_work | in practice, you don't need anywhere near that much. people often work dx (i.e. long distance contacts) on less than 5W (they call it QRP) |
| 18:14.31 | QBFreak | yeah, it sounded like a lot :) |
| 18:14.41 | sjansen | There's at least five employees here (and I think I just saw a sixth). One of them is a cook that seems to serve only the training center. |
| 18:14.51 | jlp_work | a 1500W transceiver will also set you back a large chunk of change |
| 18:14.54 | QBFreak | sjansen: so whats so bad about it? :) |
| 18:14.59 | QBFreak | I can imagine |
| 18:14.59 | jlp_work | I think the legal limit for CB was 5W |
| 18:15.09 | jlp_work | (not that people didn't use more than that :-) |
| 18:15.12 | QBFreak | I was thinking 4W, but you might be right |
| 18:15.23 | sjansen | I've only seen two classrooms, and only one of them seems to be used regularily. |
| 18:15.52 | BL4 | good afternoon QBFreak |
| 18:15.53 | sjansen | Where are they getting the money for nice digs, nice hardware, a location just off the strip, and a bunch of employees? |
| 18:16.14 | jlp_work | sjansen: the slot machines in the lobby? :-) |
| 18:16.20 | QBFreak | just don't look in the basement :) |
| 18:16.41 | sjansen | jlp_work: There aren't any! (which in Vegas is kinda strange) |
| 18:16.58 | jlp_work | yeah, that is strange. even the convenience stores usually have a couple of slot machines |
| 18:18.59 | QBFreak | and since they have instituted a lottery.... |
| 18:19.44 | sjansen | emcnabb has been here and returned, so at least I know they're probably not chaining up instructors and turning them into human batteries as a source of extra income at the end of the week |
| 18:20.02 | QBFreak | they reserve that for the students |
| 18:20.16 | QBFreak | specifically those that fail |
| 18:20.57 | sjansen | We have a 100% pass rate! We dare you to find a student of ours who hasn't passed! (Really, we _dare_ you.) |
| 18:21.13 | QBFreak | must be easy stuff |
| 18:21.39 | BL4 | sjansen, do you take their tests for them? |
| 18:21.47 | QBFreak | learn how to make chainsaw ice sculptures is 10 easy minutes! |
| 18:21.51 | QBFreak | err in |
| 18:22.54 | sjansen | BL4: Sadly, I can't claim a 100% pass rate for my students. |
| 18:23.08 | QBFreak | yeah, 150% would be much better |
| 18:23.12 | BL4 | lol |
| 18:23.14 | sjansen | Although I could probably come close by telling those I know are doomed to not bother. |
| 18:23.18 | BL4 | 85% is better |
| 18:23.46 | BL4 | some students don't deserve to pass at all |
| 18:24.34 | BL4 | its like saying every school gets an A in this school...or basically every kid has to do nothing to get an A, which means an A doesn't mean anything |
| 18:27.58 | BL4 | QBFreak, again? |
| 18:28.05 | QBFreak | repeatedly! |
| 18:28.09 | QBFreak | ~flunk BL4 |
| 18:28.13 | ibot | ACTION gives BL4 a big fat F |
| 18:41.40 | emcnabb | there was a student in my class in Vegas who lost a bunch of money the first few days; he started using per diem money to break even before he returned home; he took quite a few snacks home from the training center every day |
| 18:48.55 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 18:59.43 | emcnabb | -lart elg |
| 18:59.54 | elg | -lart emcnabb |
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| 19:16.02 | QBFreak | we had a wild rabbit burrow in the back yard, the mother didn't come back to her babies last night |
| 19:17.10 | jlp_work | eaten by a neighborhood cat? |
| 19:17.39 | QBFreak | maybe |
| 19:17.57 | QBFreak | between one of our dogs and a snake, there are only two of the original five left |
| 19:18.41 | jlp_work | ahh, well, that's one of the risks of living |
| 19:19.00 | QBFreak | yup |
| 19:19.11 | QBFreak | my mom is feeding the other two now |
| 19:20.19 | lars-ut | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 19:20.29 | ibot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah (2d 22h 42m 30s) #uphpu (2d 22h 42m 30s). Has said a total of 66 messages. Is idling for 2h 54m 50s, last said: 'I just think it's terrible to make lower class people, which most of those employees they're doing this to are, work for no money.'. |
| 19:26.56 | elg | isbn is different for a new edition of a book, right? |
| 19:27.58 | dna3e8 | How do I know if my computer is 'being a ssh server'? |
| 19:28.09 | elg | dna3e8: ask it |
| 19:28.14 | QBFreak | try to connect to it with an SSH client |
| 19:28.31 | QBFreak | linux use 'ssh' from the command line, windows you can download the free PuTTY |
| 19:29.15 | dna3e8 | Where should I look to learn hoe to turn ssh on, using command line? |
| 19:29.19 | dna3e8 | *how |
| 19:29.25 | QBFreak | fedora? |
| 19:29.43 | dna3e8 | clusterknoppix (debian) |
| 19:29.47 | BL4 | elg: I believe so |
| 19:30.14 | QBFreak | hmm, off the top of my head not sure, and I really have to go, sorry |
| 19:30.20 | QBFreak | I can look later |
| 19:30.42 | elg | hm, this new but slightly damaged book that is usually $120 for $4.95, same isbn |
| 19:31.01 | elg | it's almost worth just getting it on the chance that you can save $100. better than vegas anyway |
| 19:31.04 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 19:32.07 | sjansen | elg: it should be different, assuming the publisher cares |
| 19:32.10 | BL4 | elg: I don't believe the ISBN changes unless the version of the book changes... They may reprint a book without changing the content, and I think it keeps the same ISBN number then... |
| 19:33.00 | sjansen | dna3e8: should just be /etc/init.d/sshd start |
| 19:37.18 | sjansen | ~rlart |
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| 19:49.56 | sjansen | ~pull mrpull-_'s finger |
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| 20:09.09 | harleypig | can someone, anyone tell me why my .bash_aliases file isn't being loaded? |
| 20:10.06 | harleypig | never mind ... as soon as I ask I notice the problem. |
| 20:11.38 | harleypig | stoopid picky shell ... it should just *KNOW* that I mean .bash_aliases when I typ .bash_alaises |
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| 20:19.10 | maquis | harleypig: :) |
| 20:30.29 | ^Migs^ | I'm tired of using the same old Internet |
| 20:30.37 | ^Migs^ | same old tools, like Google |
| 20:30.45 | ^Migs^ | something should make a new, competing Internet |
| 20:31.19 | shadow_moon | uhm |
| 20:31.25 | shadow_moon | the network is fine. |
| 20:31.31 | shadow_moon | just write your own app. |
| 20:31.43 | ^Migs^ | what new app? |
| 20:33.38 | emcnabb | http://www.internet2.edu/ |
| 20:33.49 | shadow_moon | Well the internet is just a network. |
| 20:33.57 | shadow_moon | thinking of it as http pages isn't right. |
| 20:34.11 | shadow_moon | nothgin says that pages need to be http. Just browsers understand thtat. |
| 20:34.29 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
| 20:34.29 | shadow_moon | The internet coudl be altered drastically if you had a new protocol. |
| 20:35.22 | maquis | hmmm |
| 20:35.28 | maquis | byu is a member of this internet2 thing |
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| 20:41.34 | ^Migs^ | that's a good idea |
| 20:41.50 | ^Migs^ | Internet 2.0 could have all sorts of different protocols. Display pages completely differently. Or not even display pages at all! |
| 20:42.07 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure what it would do yet, but definitely something to give it the competitive edge |
| 20:43.00 | jsmith | ^Migs^: What makes you think there are "pages" -- have you forgotten that the Internet is about much more than the "web"? |
| 20:43.24 | emcnabb | the problem is there are many protocols out there that are better than what we use today |
| 20:43.34 | emcnabb | how do you get everyone to switch? |
| 20:43.40 | emcnabb | perfect example: IPv6 |
| 20:45.39 | ^Migs^ | indeed |
| 20:46.10 | ^Migs^ | well, I'm going to invent Internet 2.0 |
| 20:46.17 | ^Migs^ | once I wrap my brain around how it's all going to work |
| 20:46.46 | emcnabb | it has already been invented :-) |
| 20:47.15 | ^Migs^ | no, there's still only one Internet |
| 20:47.21 | ^Migs^ | I'm talking about a completely separate Internet |
| 20:47.47 | ^Migs^ | it would obviously need to be called something else. Like Intraweb. |
| 20:48.32 | emcnabb | it is a separate network |
| 20:50.32 | harleypig | ^Migs^: You need to invent IP over Telepathy. |
| 20:52.11 | BL4 | *Migs* unless you pay ppl to use the new internet or there is a very big incentive, they will keep using the easy **** |
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| 20:52.54 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 20:53.01 | ^Migs^ | that's what I need to figure out. What's the incentive? |
| 20:53.28 | ^Migs^ | I need to come up with some killer protocols that'll make people do a double take and go "WHAAAAAAA?? WHY DIDN'T WE THINK OF THAT BEFORE????" |
| 20:53.42 | ^Migs^ | I don't think Internet 2.0 is going to work |
| 20:54.11 | emcnabb | any ideas about what that's going to be? |
| 20:56.23 | emcnabb | There are quite a few protocols that already exist: check the list before you reinvent the wheel |
| 20:56.26 | emcnabb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_network_protocols |
| 20:57.04 | SpecialZ_ | So we have higher bandwidth, what new protocols will be open, and useful enough to change things. |
| 20:57.59 | emcnabb | mheath_ is back; party's here! |
| 20:58.35 | mheath_ | Jesus christ, our schools network is horrible |
| 20:58.48 | mheath_ | They have internal traffic routed through a datacenter miles away, apparently. |
| 20:59.53 | mheath_ | The techs I was talking to today practically swear my Novell, too...... |
| 20:59.57 | mheath_ | Netware. Ewww... |
| 21:00.55 | mheath_ | They finally got that issue with my acount not running that program sorted out |
| 21:01.02 | mheath_ | The thing is, no one is really sure of what was causing it. |
| 21:02.44 | mheath_ | ^Migs^, what exactly do we have down on 12th street? |
| 21:03.51 | ^Migs^ | some office or something |
| 21:04.17 | mheath_ | Heh, the techs had me come down to their office in our school to make sure that program was working |
| 21:04.36 | mheath_ | Ran it remotely from the lab the problem was appearing at, using something like VNC |
| 21:04.52 | mheath_ | kept refering to how traffic was going from that lab, to 12th street, back to the school, to their room |
| 21:04.57 | mheath_ | VERY laggy. Hideous. |
| 21:05.30 | mheath_ | bbiab |
| 21:06.44 | ^Migs^ | my in-laws just bought us cell phones. I don't want them to buy me cell phones. |
| 21:08.49 | sjansen | ^Migs^: More pictures of kittens. |
| 21:09.00 | emcnabb | ebay? |
| 21:09.05 | ^Migs^ | for Internet 2.0? |
| 21:09.11 | sjansen | Oh, and don't waste your time thinking about security. People care more about kittens than security. |
| 21:09.51 | ^Migs^ | hmmmmm.....kittens..... |
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| 21:10.17 | ^Migs^ | what could the other Internet have besides web pages? |
| 21:11.32 | emcnabb | it could have what the current one has: data transfer |
| 21:11.32 | sjansen | streaming music |
| 21:11.34 | emcnabb | email |
| 21:11.49 | emcnabb | you could transfer files |
| 21:11.51 | ^Migs^ | I guess |
| 21:11.55 | RyanE_ | sjansen: you like your kittens fried, or baked? |
| 21:11.57 | sjansen | protocols for ordering food |
| 21:12.02 | jsmith | It could have a four-way handshake! |
| 21:12.03 | emcnabb | instant messenging |
| 21:12.05 | sjansen | pizza over IP |
| 21:12.09 | ^Migs^ | I guess I'll have to start a mass advertising campaign so people would actually switch over to it |
| 21:12.13 | emcnabb | oh, don't forget IRC! |
| 21:12.17 | ^Migs^ | I don't think this'll work |
| 21:12.25 | ^Migs^ | maybe EVERYTHING could be graphical |
| 21:12.32 | ^Migs^ | people like that, right? |
| 21:12.37 | sjansen | no, voice is the way of the future |
| 21:12.38 | RyanE | ^Migs^: your idea sounds suspiciously like the |
| 21:12.43 | jsmith | sjansen: Amen! |
| 21:12.44 | sjansen | the new Internet should beep alot |
| 21:12.46 | RyanE | 'new internet' floated by mheath a few months ago |
| 21:12.48 | ^Migs^ | the problem is we're not thinking outside the box |
| 21:12.57 | ^Migs^ | agreed, sjansen |
| 21:12.59 | jsmith | ^Migs^: There's a box? With kittens in it? |
| 21:13.22 | emcnabb | we should replace 'data' transfer with 'people' transfer |
| 21:13.30 | ^Migs^ | the new Internet needs holographic images |
| 21:13.35 | emcnabb | the new 'internet' would suck people into it |
| 21:13.40 | RyanE | ooh... people transfer... yum. |
| 21:13.41 | ^Migs^ | that's a good idea, emcnabb |
| 21:13.43 | RyanE | like tron |
| 21:13.48 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 21:13.49 | ^Migs^ | you could transfer food too |
| 21:13.51 | RyanE | all you really need is a scanner |
| 21:13.51 | emcnabb | like, I'd be checking my email, and then I would be zaped home at 5pm |
| 21:14.03 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy will have some good ideas |
| 21:14.12 | lars-ut | packet loss would suck though. |
| 21:14.14 | emcnabb | like transfering files via DNS |
| 21:14.19 | RyanE | of course, you click on the wrong thing, you'll be zapped to the wrong location. Dang, address off by one. |
| 21:14.24 | emcnabb | file sharing via DNS that is |
| 21:14.28 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't mind packet loss as long as its around my waist |
| 21:14.35 | ^Migs^ | not too low, though |
| 21:14.57 | RyanE | you'll regret it when a protocol error causes Harleypig to be transferred to your house without clothes. |
| 21:15.02 | lars-ut | "lars-ut fails CRC check" - crap! |
| 21:15.12 | ^Migs^ | this would be nice. This way, when you want to get information about something, you can just zap a college professor into your living room |
| 21:15.36 | ^Migs^ | or a COPY of a college professor |
| 21:15.39 | ^Migs^ | ZOMG |
| 21:15.41 | sjansen | the new internet should make purring sounds |
| 21:15.43 | RyanE | Downloading RyanE... 20% ... 20% ... 21% ... Should've gone bittorrent... |
| 21:15.50 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:15.53 | ^Migs^ | right, to go along with the kittens |
| 21:16.09 | lars-ut | RyanE: that's what you get for using kermit as your protocol |
| 21:16.12 | sjansen | users should have to get a license to use the new internet |
| 21:16.16 | RyanE | would kind of make cloning irrelevant... |
| 21:16.19 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, that was a neat hack, but nothing practical... |
| 21:16.21 | ^Migs^ | this way, you can have one copy of you working and another copy of you at home sleeping |
| 21:16.28 | ^Migs^ | wasn't there a Michael Keaton movie like that? |
| 21:16.31 | RyanE | both my copies would want to be sleeping. |
| 21:16.35 | lars-ut | Multiplicity |
| 21:16.38 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 21:16.41 | RyanE | lame movie |
| 21:16.42 | sjansen | there should a be mandatory "learner's permit" with limited access for 6 months |
| 21:16.44 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 21:16.48 | ^Migs^ | it was a lame movie, so this must be a lame idea |
| 21:16.51 | ^Migs^ | no copying people |
| 21:17.00 | RyanE | except one line, where he says "I LIIIIKE IT", talking about pizza. |
| 21:17.15 | ^Migs^ | it could be powered by cats |
| 21:17.32 | ^Migs^ | or pigeons |
| 21:17.39 | ^Migs^ | pigeons could do the data transfer |
| 21:18.00 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 21:18.03 | sjansen | users should be required to attach electrodes to their bodies so that people could shock each other, you know, up the ante in flame wars |
| 21:18.11 | ^Migs^ | agreed |
| 21:18.40 | emcnabb | and I think that ibot should be our overlord |
| 21:18.44 | emcnabb | ~praise ibot |
| 21:18.45 | ibot | All hail ibot! |
| 21:19.09 | ^Migs^ | no, the new Internet should be a democracy |
| 21:19.40 | ^Migs^ | it should be overseen by 1/2 bots and 1/2 humans |
| 21:19.41 | harleypig | !ooB |
| 21:20.26 | ^Migs^ | see, that's the problem with the current Internet, and what will give our new competing Internet its edge. It won't be anarchy. It will be ORGANIZED. |
| 21:21.09 | RyanE | yeah, you and Rep. Hatch can 'organize' it... |
| 21:22.03 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.09 | emcnabb | and all the music that will be streamed on the new 'internet' will be from Hatch himself |
| 21:22.34 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.39 | emcnabb | http://www.hatchmusic.com/ |
| 21:22.40 | brac | [The Music of Senator Orrin Hatch] |
| 21:22.43 | RyanE | eww |
| 21:22.50 | ^Migs^ | he's not that bad |
| 21:23.15 | sjansen | NO! Users on the new Internet should be guarenteed they'll never experience anything icky like that! |
| 21:23.34 | emcnabb | sjansen is closet Hatch music listener! |
| 21:23.45 | emcnabb | I heard him jamming one evening to it |
| 21:23.55 | sjansen | Tired of reading bad news? Use SuperMegaHyperInternet 3.0! We only show pictures of kittens! |
| 21:26.30 | emcnabb | pictures of kittens in bottles! |
| 21:26.32 | nick125 | Or how to make it go bankrupt.. |
| 21:26.45 | emcnabb | www.bonsaikitten.com/ seems to be down :-( |
| 21:27.02 | nick125 | aww..thats sad |
| 21:30.39 | mrpull-x | how is it that bloglines can be down for 30 minutes or more? I guess nobody is paying them. |
| 21:30.45 | mrpull-x | Shouldn't they have a hot site? |
| 21:34.28 | ^Migs^ | I don't think I like kittens that much really |
| 21:36.26 | nick125 | ^Migs^: me neither.. |
| 21:37.10 | sjansen | ~shun ^Migs^ |
| 21:37.11 | ibot | You are dead to me, ^Migs^. |
| 21:37.12 | ^Migs^ | holy stupid, imho |
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| 21:48.02 | nick125 | BL4: show us |
| 21:48.23 | BL4 | one sec, I forgot my ftp login |
| 21:48.29 | nick125 | http://atarack.com/ponies/ < thats the ugliest I've ever made.. |
| 21:48.30 | brac | [How-to make your very own OMG PONIES!! sign.] |
| 21:50.08 | BL4 | http://www.emmeya.com/colors.html |
| 21:50.22 | nick125 | LOL |
| 21:50.37 | nick125 | nice |
| 21:51.16 | BL4 | that bad? |
| 21:51.28 | nick125 | its..bad..but, I've seen much worse |
| 21:52.11 | BL4 | I'll think I'll stick with www.emmeya.com for now |
| 21:53.03 | nick125 | $0.75 a month? |
| 21:53.14 | BL4 | yeah.. |
| 21:53.23 | nick125 | and, it costs you probably...$0.20 per paypal transaction.. |
| 21:53.43 | BL4 | something like that |
| 21:53.50 | nick125 | BL4: heres my idea: if they pay yearly, they get the $0.75 amount |
| 21:54.00 | nick125 | else, they have to pay $1.50 a month if they go monthly |
| 21:54.00 | BL4 | lol |
| 21:54.13 | nick125 | that will help offset the paypal fees |
| 21:54.27 | BL4 | yearly they pay .54 a month |
| 21:54.41 | nick125 | you aren't making any money off that.. |
| 21:55.10 | BL4 | not really, it'll change I think |
| 21:55.10 | BL4 | It'll change I think |
| 21:55.14 | nick125 | BL4: any kind of control panel? |
| 21:55.22 | nick125 | how much are you paying to host that server? |
| 21:55.25 | BL4 | no, lol, just basic http access and ftp access |
| 21:55.48 | BL4 | like $7.99 a month |
| 21:55.52 | nick125 | Directadmin is the best control panel in my opinion (other then CLI) |
| 21:56.21 | BL4 | I figure if they are paying peanuts they get peanuts |
| 21:56.28 | nick125 | I offer VPSes with DA for..well, $13 for the VPS and $6 for the DA license.. |
| 21:57.50 | nick125 | It's not bad, considering that, standalone, a DA license costs..$30 a month |
| 21:58.26 | nick125 | BL4: me neither, but, clients like them for some reason |
| 21:58.44 | BL4 | yeah they do, I would like to write my own soon |
| 21:58.50 | BL4 | I could probably do it if I really set my mind to it |
| 21:59.09 | nick125 | BL4: But yeah, how are you hosting this now? |
| 21:59.13 | nick125 | reseller? |
| 21:59.22 | BL4 | vps |
| 21:59.29 | nick125 | oo.. |
| 21:59.44 | nick125 | fun |
| 21:59.52 | BL4 | oh, yeah...loads |
| 22:00.05 | nick125 | where is that server hosted? middle of no where? o.0 |
| 22:00.13 | nick125 | 64 bytes from s1.emmeya.com (207.210.78.50): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=452 ms |
| 22:00.17 | BL4 | lol, yeah, middle of nowhere |
| 22:00.46 | nick125 | my vpses only get..110ms from my box to it..and crappy DSL line is responsible for 70ms of it |
| 22:00.53 | nick125 | (the server is hosted in a nice datacenter) |
| 22:00.58 | BL4 | I should really spend some money and do something more creative with my life |
| 22:01.05 | nick125 | 64 bytes from 72.14.207.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=238 time=75.7 ms |
| 22:01.13 | nick125 | (thats from my box to google) |
| 22:01.20 | nick125 | (well, the server to google) |
| 22:01.26 | BL4 | I can program in C, c++, Java, Pascal, some assembly, MySQL, um, HTML, yeah, and whatever... |
| 22:01.54 | BL4 | I lack the joys of GUIs |
| 22:02.05 | BL4 | I like my terminal :-P |
| 22:02.21 | BL4 | like my homepage http://bl4qkubartnndfhr.emmeya.com/ |
| 22:02.32 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:02.32 | vontrapp | guruers, is it possible to be a guru and go to school? |
| 22:02.35 | nick125 | not bad |
| 22:02.52 | maquis | vontrapp: umm... |
| 22:02.53 | BL4 | like the monochrome screen flavor? |
| 22:02.59 | maquis | do you want to go to class? |
| 22:03.12 | nick125 | BL4: I like the contrasting and such.. |
| 22:03.24 | maquis | (i'm not a guruer, but i doubt it's that easy to go to school while out of the state for most weeks...) |
| 22:03.44 | vontrapp | what do the do when not out of state? |
| 22:04.01 | BL4 | vontrapp: do the dew? |
| 22:04.06 | nick125 | BL4: wow..where is that server? |
| 22:04.14 | jlp_work | vontrap: "A Guru is not one who simply knows all the answers. Rather, a Guru is like one who walks among the mountains, and by wandering around a bit, can see the horizon through long narrow canyons." |
| 22:04.16 | vontrapp | mm, dew |
| 22:04.20 | nick125 | I'm getting *huge* lag spikes to it :/ |
| 22:04.25 | BL4 | lag spikes |
| 22:04.27 | BL4 | how sad |
| 22:04.33 | BL4 | they suck...they are in PA |
| 22:04.48 | nick125 | (and it's not because of the server either, the server is on some pretty nice lines) |
| 22:05.04 | nick125 | BL4: ping 64.147.188.69 |
| 22:05.38 | BL4 | 64 bytes from 64.147.188.69: icmp_seq=5 ttl=48 time=183.966 ms |
| 22:05.41 | vontrapp | jlp_work: i mean as in gurulabs |
| 22:05.51 | nick125 | BL4: where is that from? |
| 22:05.53 | jlp_work | oh, well, never mind |
| 22:05.57 | BL4 | I'm in PRovo |
| 22:06.24 | vontrapp | i appreciate your insight |
| 22:06.29 | nick125 | I'm getting 120ms and my crappy speakeasy line is giving 80ms to first hop.. |
| 22:06.49 | nick125 | vontrapp: lol |
| 22:07.13 | BL4 | 21 s1.emmeya.com (207.210.78.50) 232.761 ms 245.354 ms 249.112 ms isn't too bad |
| 22:07.33 | nick125 | I was getting 450ms to it :/ |
| 22:08.08 | BL4 | anyways, I'm doing the hosting mostly as a hobby right now, I really need to get a "real" job to earn some "real" money |
| 22:08.14 | vontrapp | my brain is getting too good at the practice of tab completion, it automatically said apprec should be unique enough to get the desired word |
| 22:08.35 | nick125 | BL4: yeah..it's hard to get into the hosting business |
| 22:08.44 | nick125 | BL4: everyone and their dogs are doing hosting |
| 22:09.40 | vontrapp | host a niche, like ubercool rails apps |
| 22:09.41 | BL4 | nick125: its that way with everything in life....everyone is doing most everything, you just have to be better than the other 1/4 of a million people. |
| 22:09.50 | nick125 | yeah |
| 22:09.58 | nick125 | you have to find something that makes you unique |
| 22:10.07 | emcnabb | vontrapp: as far as I know, we're looking for full-time employees |
| 22:10.08 | nick125 | 90% of webhosts have nothing unique |
| 22:10.11 | BL4 | I'll probably go into custom apps |
| 22:10.20 | emcnabb | let us know when you graduate though :-) |
| 22:10.33 | vontrapp | *sigh* |
| 22:10.35 | vontrapp | -lart school |
| 22:10.42 | nick125 | with my company, I try to put support as one of the highest priorities |
| 22:11.02 | BL4 | well nick125, if you ever need custom CGI scripts written up, let me know |
| 22:11.10 | vontrapp | it might be hard anyway, getting married and all. or can the wife tag along? |
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| 22:12.24 | emcnabb | vontrapp: when do you graduate? |
| 22:12.33 | BL4 | lol |
| 22:12.36 | vontrapp | emcnabb: oh, about two years |
| 22:15.37 | maquis | ~study |
| 22:15.42 | maquis | ~take my test |
| 22:15.44 | vontrapp | emcnabb: you're newlywed (relatively), hows the travelning professor go with that? |
| 22:16.02 | emcnabb | it tough, but do-able |
| 22:16.13 | maquis | how the @#$% can my professor think i really got 1.1/25 on a speech? |
| 22:16.14 | vontrapp | what was that bot that got you things? |
| 22:16.14 | maquis | 1.1? |
| 22:16.36 | vontrapp | sounds like you need to fire him |
| 22:16.46 | jlp_work | 1.1 is a poor grade for just showing up and moving your mouth like a goldfish |
| 22:17.23 | emcnabb | maquis: is it a mistake? |
| 22:17.29 | maquis | emcnabb: i'm emailing to find out |
| 22:17.33 | nick125 | maybe he meant 11/25 |
| 22:18.04 | maquis | according to this, the students in the class rated me at 1.1 (which is odd, since at least 3 of them gave me full points), and the substitute wrote down 60/150 |
| 22:18.12 | maquis | (we had a sub that day) |
| 22:18.29 | maquis | i find that rather.... problematic... |
| 22:19.40 | maquis | ~134.25/150 |
| 22:19.41 | ibot | 0.895 |
| 22:25.55 | mheath_ | Wow |
| 22:26.01 | mheath_ | I can't imagine maquis is that horrible. |
| 22:26.21 | mheath_ | BTW |
| 22:26.32 | mheath_ | I went and exchanged those biology packets for some other science credits they had |
| 22:26.36 | mheath_ | MUCH, MUCH easier |
| 22:26.53 | mheath_ | Rather than being completely confused and seeing no chance of finishing them, I'm now confident I can get them done in 2-3 days each |
| 22:26.54 | mheath_ | :) |
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| 22:31.16 | harleypig | anyone familar with XML::RSS::Parser? |
| 22:32.44 | dilvie | nope |
| 22:35.38 | maquis | mheath_: nice |
| 22:38.23 | maquis | note to self: dont forget about the milk in the fridge |
| 22:39.09 | maquis | note 2: if you fail to abide by note 1, dont try to drink the forgotten milk,even if it claims not to expire for 2 more days |
| 22:39.38 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:46.03 | BL4 | lol |
| 22:51.48 | BL4 | hmmm, something is blipping on my computer.... |
| 22:52.41 | *** join/#utah elg (n=fugalh@falcon.fugal.net) |
| 22:56.24 | maquis | BL4: well... blip back at it... :) |
| 22:57.30 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 22:59.05 | BL4 | it beeped at me again :( |
| 23:05.59 | maquis | BL4's computer: @#$% @@%%# &%*#(! |
| 23:06.29 | BL4 | BL4's computer has stopped beeping |
| 23:06.40 | maquis | :) |
| 23:06.50 | BL4 | stupid webpage ad... |
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| 23:15.34 | nick125 | lol |
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| 23:22.07 | *** mode/#utah [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 23:37.38 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon || bzflag tourney tonight (7:30pm-whenever we're done) -- phantom2.cs.byu.edu:5154 |
| 23:37.47 | *** topic/#utah by maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon || bzflag tourney tonight (7:30pm-whenever we're done) -- phantom2.cs.byu.edu:5154 and 5155(?) |
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| 23:47.59 | Hhhhh | hmm, anybody has a PCMCIA wifi card for sale? |
| 23:48.22 | Hhhhh | I got an old lappy, gonna try kubuntu breezy in it |
| 23:49.49 | emcnabb | Hhhhh: I have several |
| 23:50.47 | Hhhhh | emcnabb, how much are you asking? |
| 23:51.44 | emcnabb | not sure |
| 23:52.12 | emcnabb | they've both been banged up a bunch |
| 23:52.19 | emcnabb | so they don't look too pretty :-) |
| 23:52.20 | Hhhhh | do they work well? |
| 23:52.45 | emcnabb | one needs and antenna |
| 23:52.56 | emcnabb | they're both supported under Linux |
| 23:56.16 | Hhhhh | what do you mean it needs an antenna? did it break? |