| 00:06.13 | findlay | parenting wisdom from harleypig, priceless |
| 00:07.28 | findlay | elg: exactly, why trying to apply a continuous distribution to a very discreet sample space is retarded |
| 00:07.39 | findlay | s/why// |
| 00:08.15 | findlay | find another distribution, or use some other model altogether |
| 00:09.05 | findlay | because the normal distribution not only makes assumptions about the continutity of the sample space, but necessiarly also about the sample set being infinite |
| 00:09.49 | elg | yes, statisticians do all kinds of fun math dealing with discretization and come up with all kinds of names for things |
| 00:10.42 | elg | but it basically boils down to normal distribution is pretty cool and as long as you realize that it's only as strong as the sample space you're able to do neat things with it (or whatever the real name for the approximation you're using is) |
| 00:11.50 | findlay | but you can't expect it to apply to a set as small as a class |
| 00:12.38 | findlay | aren't there simmilar distributions that don't assume the sample space is infinite? The "binary distribution" comes to mind |
| 00:15.27 | findlay | maquis: see? The sky's already clearing up (: |
| 00:21.04 | maquis | findlay: pffft |
| 00:27.55 | bertbob | interesting: 2.6.16.[67] both released today |
| 00:37.32 | findlay | ~pffft |
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| 00:43.06 | findlay | looks like OCT decided to downgrade my connection again |
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| 00:45.35 | findlay | as opposed to a source distribution, ha |
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| 01:04.41 | nick125 | ROFL |
| 01:04.44 | nick125 | !!! Please `export I_PROMISE_TO_SUPPLY_PATCHES_WITH_BUGS=1` or define it in your make.conf if you want to use this ebuild. This is to try and cut down on people filing bugs for a compiler we do not currently support. |
| 01:04.50 | nick125 | !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. |
| 01:11.30 | griffey | Ooh. Mac OS X "Leopard" is coming out. |
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| 01:51.35 | atoponce | mheath: ping |
| 01:59.32 | maquis | ~leopard griffey |
| 01:59.33 | ibot | ACTION sneaks up behind griffey, then pounces, bringing griffey to the ground |
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| 02:20.19 | obfuscated | tensai: ping |
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| 02:46.33 | emcnabb | wow, I didn't think dogs liked grapefruit (at least this one) |
| 02:47.26 | nick125 | lol |
| 02:48.42 | emcnabb | I gave a piece to her thinking: "I can wait to see the look on her face when she eats this" |
| 02:48.47 | emcnabb | and she scarfed it up |
| 02:48.54 | emcnabb | so I did it two more times |
| 02:49.11 | emcnabb | then she started licking the carpet where I threw it |
| 02:49.17 | maquis | emcnabb: i want to see a pic of your dog! that first pic when she was little was adorable! |
| 02:49.24 | maquis | how big is she now? |
| 02:49.24 | emcnabb | she's still cute |
| 02:49.29 | bertbob | dogs will eat anything flies will eat |
| 02:49.37 | emcnabb | except when she poops on the carpet |
| 02:49.45 | maquis | emcnabb: lol |
| 02:49.51 | emcnabb | then she is as cute as the turds themselves |
| 02:50.18 | emcnabb | in fact, they look a lot a like (long, skinny, and black) |
| 02:50.58 | maquis | :) |
| 02:51.38 | obfuscated | ~google cars |
| 02:52.15 | obfuscated | hmmm...can't get my version of blootbot to work w/ google - looks like ibot's having issues though |
| 02:52.16 | tensai | obfuscated: pong |
| 02:52.31 | obfuscated | tensai: are there any tricks to getting blootbot to work with google? |
| 02:52.56 | tensai | there's a patch, and last I heard the code was slightly broken and needed updating |
| 02:53.04 | obfuscated | mine forks to W3Search, finishes the fork, and says, "Google says ... is at" and nothing else |
| 02:54.14 | obfuscated | is there code to get the ~wiki function working somewhere? |
| 02:54.31 | tensai | that I don't know |
| 02:54.46 | obfuscated | k - thx |
| 02:54.50 | tensai | ~wiki custard |
| 02:56.46 | tensai | "it is possible for a full-grown adult to walk across a swimming pool filled with custard, without sinking." |
| 02:56.59 | tensai | ibot: don't worry, I'll pick up the slack |
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| 03:52.53 | mheath | atoponce, pong |
| 03:57.15 | atoponce | were you mentioning toponcefamily.com as the expired domain? |
| 03:57.43 | mheath | Yes |
| 03:58.02 | mheath | The sllug meeting announcement references utah.linux |
| 03:58.09 | mheath | i didn't know utah.linux existed, so I went to check it out |
| 03:58.17 | mheath | The only non-spam post there was yours |
| 03:58.28 | atoponce | utah.linux? |
| 03:58.37 | mheath | And one of the links, I discovered, was dead. To a toponcefamily.com thing |
| 03:58.42 | mheath | atoponce, news:utah.linux |
| 03:58.51 | mheath | No idea how old that post was |
| 03:58.53 | atoponce | ahh. yeah. |
| 03:59.02 | mheath | but it was you, talking about a moderated Google Group |
| 03:59.21 | atoponce | yeah, i put one up to avoid the spam and pr0n and crap |
| 04:00.08 | atoponce | no one is using it though, and i can't say that i blame anyone. the mailing lists pretty much handle it all |
| 04:00.15 | mheath | Yep |
| 04:00.22 | mheath | Sadly, news groups are dead |
| 04:00.30 | atoponce | for sure |
| 04:00.36 | mheath | A good example of the way the internet once was............. |
| 04:00.39 | atoponce | i don't know if i will renew toponcefamily.com or not |
| 04:00.44 | mheath | Compared to the way it is now |
| 04:00.47 | mheath | atoponce, I'd renew it! |
| 04:00.54 | mheath | I wish heathfamily.* was available |
| 04:01.01 | mheath | I want to create a hosting thing for all my family |
| 04:01.09 | mheath | Sadly *heath*.* is pretty much all taken |
| 04:01.29 | atoponce | i bought it for my family to use with a forum, photos and blogs, but no one seemed interested |
| 04:03.04 | atoponce | i may try again, though. i just don't know |
| 04:03.22 | nick125_lappy | lol |
| 04:06.47 | atoponce | families are odd that way. they ask for it, so i provide it, then they never use it |
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| 04:13.16 | mheath | atoponce, are you related to a Mr. Toponce that (before he past away) lived in some apartments in the upper terrace? |
| 04:15.06 | atoponce | most likely. do you remember his first name? |
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| 04:17.33 | mheath | I don't..... |
| 04:17.47 | mheath | His daughter lived elsewhere in the terrace, near me.... |
| 04:18.00 | mheath | I attended church with her, and delivered the newspaper to him |
| 04:18.49 | obfuscated | tensai: how do I add a new module to blootbot? Do I just create modulename.pl and add +modulename to blootbot.chan? |
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| 04:21.24 | tensai | obfuscated: grep -i for onjoin in all the sources. there are a few places where you have to add code. |
| 04:22.07 | obfuscated | cool |
| 04:22.41 | obfuscated | do I need to add anything to the db? |
| 04:22.57 | obfuscated | I'm trying to copy wikipedia.pl, but I only see it in blootbot.chan |
| 04:23.23 | tensai | you don't have to add anything to the database unless you're using the database |
| 04:24.07 | obfuscated | hmmm...weird then - I have the same code in as wikipedia, just a different name, yet no luck |
| 04:25.00 | obfuscated | ah nm |
| 04:25.07 | obfuscated | need to add something to CommandStubs.pl |
| 04:27.09 | tensai | obfuscated: I also modified modules.pl |
| 04:27.19 | tensai | and don't forget blootbot.help |
| 04:27.24 | obfuscated | yeah - got it |
| 04:28.34 | mheath | Wow, how...complex. |
| 04:28.58 | tensai | it can't be too bad if I figured it out |
| 04:29.19 | obfuscated | it's actually pretty simple if you can just get it to load |
| 04:29.22 | obfuscated | that worked btw |
| 04:30.39 | obfuscated | now if I could just get WWW::Search to work right |
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| 04:32.00 | nick125_lappy | I wonder how hard it would be to setup a centralized network server.. |
| 04:32.03 | obfuscated | TimRiker: any tricks to getting the latest WWW::Search to work with the latest blootbot? |
| 04:32.27 | nick125_lappy | centralized login, /home directory, put all my music on that box so I can access from all my boxes |
| 04:32.39 | TimRiker | obfuscated: yeah, but I've not yet fixed purl. If you get a client key from google it's supposed to work. |
| 04:32.55 | obfuscated | interesting |
| 04:32.59 | obfuscated | yeah - I've got one |
| 04:33.02 | TimRiker | there are some patches someplace to get WWW::Scrape working, but I've not done that either. |
| 04:33.18 | TimRiker | s/purl/ibot/ |
| 04:33.38 | mheath | nick125_lappy, you don't want centralized /home. |
| 04:33.39 | mheath | Trust me. |
| 04:33.45 | obfuscated | I'm working on integrating our company's intranet into irc |
| 04:34.00 | nick125_lappy | mheath: why do you say? |
| 04:34.03 | mheath | NFS home = horribly slow |
| 04:34.11 | obfuscated | nick125_lappy: look into Zimbra for e-mail/groupware |
| 04:34.22 | nick125_lappy | well, something so I can get the same files on my lappy that I have on my desktop |
| 04:34.30 | mheath | Well, yeah |
| 04:34.36 | mheath | but make it a seperate mount point |
| 04:34.48 | mheath | /home is supposed to be where all your local settings are stored |
| 04:34.54 | mheath | so stuff on it is accessed constantly |
| 04:35.02 | mheath | making it HORRIBLY laggy when you have to do that all over NFS |
| 04:36.07 | nick125_lappy | also, I need to figure out how to make a centralized storage server for my VPSes.. |
| 04:36.15 | tensai | nfs has issues, but /home can work. byu cs does that and it works great except for the week before finals. |
| 04:36.54 | tensai | nick125_lappy: also check out unison which can sync two directories |
| 04:37.22 | nick125_lappy | I need to be able to get "real" partitions from one box to another |
| 04:38.02 | mheath | tensai, you sure about that /home? |
| 04:38.05 | mheath | I ran it on my network |
| 04:38.14 | obfuscated | TimRiker: right now it gets to the point of running Google or wikipedia, and tries to list articles, but for wikipedia says 'at ... ... explains, "' and then leaves it at that |
| 04:38.20 | mheath | 100mbit ethernet |
| 04:38.23 | mheath | still lagged horribly |
| 04:38.27 | obfuscated | TimRiker: is that symptomatic of what you're referring to? |
| 04:38.54 | tensai | mheath: you did something wrong then. I've gotten good speeds out of nfs. |
| 04:39.25 | mheath | Again, if anyone has any computer hardware for sale..... |
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| 04:39.44 | mheath | I'm getting rid of most of my stuff, but I'd like to be left with a box thats better than the one I have now |
| 04:39.56 | mheath | Looking for something >1.0Ghz |
| 04:40.03 | mheath | complete system, I don't want to go searching for RAM and parts |
| 04:47.53 | TimRiker | obfuscated: hmm. not quite. I think purl/ibot does wikipedia. |
| 04:48.06 | TimRiker | ibot: wikipedia genesis |
| 04:48.30 | obfuscated | yeah - that's what it does for me |
| 04:48.34 | TimRiker | hmm. looks buggy now. they must have changed the markup. |
| 04:48.52 | obfuscated | ~google test |
| 04:49.12 | obfuscated | ibot: google test |
| 04:49.13 | TimRiker | google is off on ibot cause I know it's broken. |
| 04:49.17 | SpecialZ | We use NFS for our Custom Image Processor senior project. We can read process and write back 8 Mb images in 10 seconds. |
| 04:49.18 | obfuscated | ah - cool |
| 04:49.25 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset _default google |
| 04:49.25 | ibot | google for _default is not set. |
| 04:49.40 | obfuscated | I've seen it work on and off in #utah |
| 04:50.12 | TimRiker | used to work, but I've had it off for quite a while now. |
| 04:51.22 | obfuscated | I'll have to play with the wikipedia - that will be useful on our corporate wiki |
| 05:28.38 | obfuscated | TimRiker: figured out the wikipedia bug |
| 05:28.50 | obfuscated | <text> should be <text.*?> |
| 05:29.11 | obfuscated | media wiki added a <text xml:space="preserve"> |
| 05:30.56 | TimRiker | ah. |
| 05:32.17 | TimRiker | ibot: wikipedia genesis |
| 05:32.56 | TimRiker | obfuscated: thanx. committed the change. |
| 05:33.18 | obfuscated | np |
| 05:33.41 | TimRiker | ibot: wikipedia tim riker |
| 05:33.49 | TimRiker | aw |
| 05:34.02 | TimRiker | ibot: wikipedia user:TimRiker |
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| 05:37.33 | xbmodder_lappy | I hate intel sometimes |
| 05:38.04 | xbmodder_lappy | vontrapp: congrats! |
| 05:43.53 | QBFreak | TimRiker: where exactly does he pull that info from? scraping the page? |
| 05:46.17 | QBFreak | aha, TimRiker is the old hardware guy |
| 05:46.28 | QBFreak | TimRiker: know where to get 8" floppy drives? |
| 05:46.55 | xbmodder_lappy | thats huge... |
| 05:47.07 | QBFreak | xbmodder_lappy: I'm aware of that |
| 05:47.26 | QBFreak | I am both personally interested, and interested for the sake of another party that might actually need to use one |
| 05:52.39 | TimRiker | QBFreak: there are folks in #classiccmp that have them. I don't. |
| 05:53.02 | QBFreak | cool, I'll keep that in mind if they need one |
| 05:53.37 | TimRiker | QBFreak: other than that... check ebay, local university salvage, and perhaps hill afb salvage. |
| 05:53.55 | QBFreak | I've looked on ebay |
| 05:54.05 | QBFreak | I'm not in utah so the rest of that most likely wont apply to me |
| 05:54.25 | TimRiker | well, local salvage yards to you then. ;-) |
| 05:54.39 | QBFreak | I'm not aware of any, though there might be |
| 05:54.50 | TimRiker | what system are you planning to hook them up to? |
| 05:55.34 | QBFreak | something IBM compatible preferably, I know of someone that if they need one will need to get the data onto a modern system |
| 05:55.50 | QBFreak | I think the disks are old VMS disks though |
| 05:56.03 | QBFreak | my disks are all blank afaik |
| 05:56.13 | QBFreak | I just want one to have a piece of history :) |
| 05:56.40 | TimRiker | there are a number of folks on the classiccmp.org mailing lists that have working systems. a few folks were trying to get 8" drives hooked up to a usb floppy controller so they could plug into a pc. don't know if anyone has gotten it working yet or not. |
| 05:57.19 | TimRiker | why stop a 8" floppies? /me has paper tape. ;-) |
| 05:57.27 | QBFreak | good point |
| 05:57.35 | QBFreak | one of those would be awesome too :) |
| 06:10.59 | QBFreak | heh, reading the classiccmp FAQ, nice definition: PC - the great multi-purpose classic computer |
| 06:11.03 | QBFreak | peripheral |
| 06:11.21 | QBFreak | bah, darned new-linr |
| 06:11.23 | QBFreak | line |
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| 06:28.47 | xbmodder_lappy | Incoming customer |
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| 06:29.25 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 06:30.17 | bertbob | X11R7 still doesn't seem to read the global app-defaults |
| 06:56.42 | maquis | boo! |
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| 07:05.25 | QBFreak | ack! |
| 07:05.32 | QBFreak | or eek! or something |
| 07:06.39 | maquis | syn! |
| 07:07.12 | QBFreak | which is why I realized that 'eek' is a better response in a room full of geeks |
| 07:07.21 | nick125_lappy | lol |
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| 07:19.03 | QBFreak | newegg is awesome, I placed an order earlier in the evening and it already shipped |
| 07:49.23 | maquis | QBFreak: :) |
| 08:00.50 | maquis | QBFreak: icky |
| 08:02.07 | xbmodder_lappy_ | If anyone here wants a VPS feel free to ask |
| 08:03.43 | nick125_lappy | xbmodder_lappy_: unless they are free.. |
| 08:03.48 | nick125_lappy | heh |
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| 14:00.26 | Jayce^ | tensai, you having server problems? |
| 14:00.37 | Jayce^ | keep getting a 'server stopped responding' |
| 14:02.10 | goozbach | Jayce^: I blame canada |
| 14:02.48 | Jayce^ | goozbach, got another tournament we're hosting next month |
| 14:03.02 | Jayce^ | and another scenario.. |
| 14:03.02 | Jayce^ | scenario is going to be fun, hillbilly moonshine! |
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| 14:06.10 | tensai | ~lart tensai |
| 14:06.39 | goozbach | hergerg |
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| 14:38.28 | goozbach | just found the COOLEST! tool!!! |
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| 14:38.34 | goozbach | rust.sourceforge.net |
| 14:39.40 | jsmith | goozbach: Cool -- gotta check it out when I get some time. |
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| 14:42.36 | jsmith | lars-ut: There are no silly questions -- just silly people. |
| 14:42.36 | lars-ut | Where can I buy tin foil for a parabolic antenna? |
| 14:42.51 | jsmith | lars-ut: Tin foil made out of actual tin? |
| 14:42.58 | lars-ut | I think so. |
| 14:43.06 | jsmith | Metal-Mart maybe? |
| 14:43.19 | lars-ut | http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/template/#Gallery%20of%20Successful |
| 14:43.20 | brac | [Parabolic Templat] |
| 14:43.50 | lars-ut | "scissors, tape, cardboard, tin foil" |
| 14:45.13 | lars-ut | hmmm... maybe that means aluminum foil. |
| 14:47.31 | Jayce^ | lots of places carry tin foil right next to the aluminum foil |
| 14:48.11 | goozbach | jsmith: it's not compiling on my machine |
| 14:48.18 | goozbach | it seems a bit out of date |
| 14:48.37 | jsmith | Figures. |
| 14:53.07 | goozbach | hmm seems to be an un-disclosed dependancy |
| 14:53.14 | goozbach | patch time! |
| 14:53.49 | goozbach | an rpm building tool, with the requred BuildRequires not specified |
| 14:53.51 | goozbach | shamefull |
| 14:58.21 | jsmith | Imagine that... |
| 14:58.57 | Jayce^ | ~lart idiots that want to throw away good designs for something gaudy they've thought of |
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| 15:08.07 | goozbach | sjansen: you on the road this week? |
| 15:15.45 | sjansen | las vegas |
| 15:15.48 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 15:16.02 | sjansen | ~botsnack |
| 15:16.02 | ibot | sjansen: thanks |
| 15:16.14 | sjansen | ibot: thank you :) |
| 15:16.14 | ibot | sjansen: de rien |
| 15:16.24 | emcnabb | ~lart sjansen |
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| 15:24.17 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 15:24.45 | elg | sjansen: my in laws are going to las vegas friday, after being here on thursday |
| 15:25.33 | sjansen | elg: you know I'd probably enjoy the flame war |
| 15:27.14 | goozbach | sjansen: where you staying? on the strip? |
| 15:27.40 | elg | goozbach: he is the strip this week |
| 15:27.43 | elg | people all come to see him |
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| 15:29.58 | sjansen | the sahara, north end of the strip |
| 15:30.11 | goozbach | Autoconf is a nasty nasty thing |
| 15:30.39 | goozbach | s/Autoconf/automake/ |
| 15:30.45 | goozbach | nasty |
| 15:37.43 | sjansen | pkg-config++ |
| 15:38.43 | emcnabb | One of my least favorite things about Gnome 2.14 is that you can't open a terminal anymore by right clicking on the desktop. If you're running FC5, you can enable this by installing nautilus-open-terminal (with Yum) |
| 15:40.11 | goozbach | there is a fix!!! |
| 15:40.12 | goozbach | good |
| 15:40.18 | jsmith | emcnabb: You mean least favorite things, besides spatial mode? |
| 15:40.47 | emcnabb | jsmith: I find that annoying too :-) |
| 15:40.56 | jsmith | I knew you would... |
| 15:41.00 | goozbach | emcnabb: which repo is that in? |
| 15:41.05 | emcnabb | Fedora Extras |
| 15:41.10 | goozbach | cool |
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| 15:41.36 | goozbach | emcnabb: you should blog that |
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| 16:12.56 | graphyx | ibot, onjoin SpecialZ |
| 16:12.56 | ibot | onjoin for specialz set by specialz on Mon Feb 27 11:04:24 2006: -lart maquis |
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| 16:20.08 | obfuscated | TimRiker: is there a way w/ blootbot to disable a feature without restarting him (aka wikipedia) |
| 16:25.04 | ^Migs^ | is anyone here good with PHP? |
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| 16:30.42 | synic | ^Migs^: sure |
| 16:32.31 | synic | ^Migs^: you might want to join #uphpu before you ask your question, though |
| 16:33.57 | ^Migs^ | my only quesiton is if anyone wants to help me finish a project for some $$$ |
| 16:34.12 | tensai | obfuscated: chanset -feature |
| 16:34.19 | ^Migs^ | meh, I dunno |
| 16:34.26 | synic | oh yeah, not me.... but hit up macnewbold or someone else in #uphpu |
| 16:34.51 | tensai | ibot: chanset -google |
| 16:35.10 | tensai | obfuscated: of course, ibot only bows to her master |
| 16:36.41 | TimRiker | obfuscated: ... |
| 16:36.52 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #utah -wikipedia |
| 16:36.52 | ibot | setting wikipedia for #utah is not set. |
| 16:36.58 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #utah wikipedia 0 |
| 16:36.58 | ibot | Setting wikipedia for #utah to '0'. |
| 16:37.07 | TimRiker | ibot: wikipedia user:TimRiker |
| 16:37.17 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #utah -wikipedia |
| 16:37.17 | ibot | Unsetting wikipedia for #utah; was '0'. |
| 16:37.20 | TimRiker | ibot: wikipedia user:TimRiker |
| 16:37.35 | TimRiker | obfuscated: like that. |
| 16:37.58 | tensai | ah, I was slightly incorrect |
| 16:39.30 | TimRiker | tensai: just need a channel flag or _default to get all channels. |
| 16:40.38 | TimRiker | well, not really, all, just the default for any channel if there is no channel specific setting. |
| 16:40.50 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset _default wikipedia |
| 16:40.50 | ibot | wikipedia for _default is '1' |
| 16:45.51 | vontrapp | good mac image editor? |
| 16:46.15 | obfuscated | TimRiker: awesome - thx |
| 16:48.46 | obfuscated | TimRiker: is there a setting somewhere you have to enable to allow that? It's not working for mine. |
| 16:48.48 | TimRiker | obfuscated: you need to have an entry for yourself as a bot admin. use identify to add your mask. use op flag A to allow admin in irc. |
| 16:48.59 | obfuscated | ah - cool |
| 16:49.27 | TimRiker | see files/blootbot.users |
| 16:50.29 | vontrapp | wierd, i can get von.fugal.net:1982/blog/images/sunset.jpg but no von.fugal.net:1982/blog/stylesheets/blog.css |
| 16:51.30 | vontrapp | both are in the rails public folder |
| 16:53.08 | vontrapp | oh, i see what's going on |
| 16:57.03 | obfuscated | hmmm...I have op flag, but it seems to ignore me on chanset |
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| 17:04.44 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 17:07.05 | sjansen | It's a shame Aaron Topance wasted so many words being so incoherent. |
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| 17:07.27 | tensai | -lart maquis |
| 17:07.33 | Jayce^ | looks like joe was pulled from the feed too :( |
| 17:07.45 | obfuscated | ah - needs to be a capital 'A' |
| 17:08.11 | tensai | Purple Underwear Doctor? |
| 17:08.23 | sjansen | Jayce^: really? bummer :-( |
| 17:08.58 | Jayce^ | everybody write gabe :) |
| 17:09.39 | elg | joe was pulled? |
| 17:09.49 | obfuscated | pulled from what? |
| 17:09.55 | tensai | say it ain't so, joe |
| 17:10.28 | Jayce^ | openclue |
| 17:10.34 | Jayce^ | guess he's not open source enough |
| 17:10.51 | Jayce^ | at least he's not getting picked up anymore.. and his old stuff is out |
| 17:11.02 | Jayce^ | figure gabe removed him |
| 17:11.14 | obfuscated | joe who? |
| 17:11.20 | obfuscated | hall? |
| 17:11.23 | Jayce^ | his aggreagator, his choice, but maybe if we all like it and ask him, gabe will put joe back on |
| 17:11.24 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:11.37 | obfuscated | guess I need to learn what openclue is |
| 17:11.41 | Jayce^ | joeseph hall... the chief foodie blog |
| 17:11.45 | Jayce^ | openclue.org/ut |
| 17:12.28 | goozbach | I'm for joe's blog |
| 17:12.29 | obfuscated | hah! dind't even know that existed |
| 17:13.38 | tensai | apparently obfuscated doesn't read the topic |
| 17:14.09 | obfuscated | apparently |
| 17:14.18 | obfuscated | apparently /me has to work some times |
| 17:14.30 | obfuscated | Need to get my blog added |
| 17:14.47 | obfuscated | need to get it back up first |
| 17:14.48 | Jayce^ | k, gabe says he wasnt' dropped, he's looking into why it's not picking up |
| 17:14.53 | Jayce^ | yes you do obfuscated |
| 17:16.34 | obfuscated | stupid Apache::Request is giving me issues right now in re-installing Mason |
| 17:16.49 | obfuscated | I'll fix it shortly though |
| 17:20.25 | goozbach | ok so Rust is a cool idea |
| 17:20.37 | goozbach | but it's not been maintained since RH 7 |
| 17:20.57 | goozbach | hmm does I want to fork(); ? |
| 17:24.12 | goozbach | 5 mailing list posts in the last two years |
| 17:24.17 | goozbach | hmm |
| 17:26.04 | RyanE | I like joe's blog too. one of the ones I actually read after seeing on openclue.org... |
| 17:26.49 | Jayce^ | we might get some Joe spam |
| 17:27.06 | Jayce^ | gabe isn't sure why it's not picking up, so he's gotta clear joe's cache to try and fix it |
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| 18:11.58 | planet-overlord | planet-overlord(s) ??? |
| 18:12.16 | planet-overlord | There is only one! |
| 18:14.09 | planet-overlord | I guess I missed the fun. You know, where we make fun of cooks and kick them off the Planet cause of their French ideas. |
| 18:17.56 | maquis | erm |
| 18:17.58 | maquis | doh |
| 18:24.14 | sjansen | You know you've got a great boss when an you have an IM conversation like: |
| 18:24.25 | sjansen | (12:21:28) Stuart Jansen: ack |
| 18:24.25 | sjansen | (12:21:39) Bryan: fin, ack |
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| 18:25.35 | tensai | did you point out that his fin,ack is out of sequence? |
| 18:30.02 | goozbach | sjansen: was that to finish a conversation? |
| 18:30.15 | goozbach | dax used to send: syn |
| 18:30.29 | sjansen | He'd emailed everyone with a list of upcoming trips and requested an ack. |
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| 18:31.08 | goozbach | ahh |
| 18:31.20 | goozbach | so that ack was in response to his "please ack" |
| 18:31.24 | goozbach | aka syn |
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| 18:51.12 | graphyx | so sjansen You like having a boss who doesn't understand a proper tcp/ip handshake? |
| 18:51.15 | graphyx | There are plenty of those out there. |
| 18:51.18 | graphyx | j/k. |
| 18:56.16 | graphyx | was that on the mailing list? |
| 18:57.49 | maquis | GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 19:00.02 | obfuscated | graphyx: no - openclue |
| 19:00.21 | obfuscated | my coworker wants to know when more girls are going to be on openclue |
| 19:00.50 | planet-overlord | As soon as they want to be... |
| 19:02.31 | graphyx | where is harley pig on openclue.org? |
| 19:02.54 | maquis | obfuscated: eventually |
| 19:02.59 | planet-overlord | http://openclue.org/ut |
| 19:03.05 | maquis | obfuscated: more? |
| 19:03.12 | maquis | are there any already? |
| 19:03.29 | planet-overlord | None to date |
| 19:03.32 | planet-overlord | err |
| 19:03.36 | planet-overlord | not to this date |
| 19:03.45 | maquis | planet-overlord: lol... |
| 19:04.00 | maquis | planet-overlord: give me til after finals, and i'll see how hard it is to add rss to my site |
| 19:04.34 | planet-overlord | cool - the info on how to be added is here... openclue.org/ut/#getadded |
| 19:04.45 | maquis | planet-overlord: yeah... i know :) |
| 19:05.21 | obfuscated | maquis: maybe then I can convince my coworker to join :-) |
| 19:05.32 | maquis | obfuscated: :) |
| 19:05.33 | obfuscated | "openclue personals" |
| 19:05.38 | maquis | *cough* |
| 19:06.21 | planet-overlord | I almost got burnt out on it trying to get everyones info and pics. |
| 19:06.24 | graphyx | nice shot of harley there. |
| 19:07.27 | obfuscated | ~planet-overlord |
| 19:07.44 | obfuscated | planet-overlord: who are you? |
| 19:07.58 | elg | he's the overlord |
| 19:08.00 | elg | who are you? |
| 19:08.04 | jsmith | of the planet! |
| 19:08.13 | elg | you're so obfuscated I can't tell |
| 19:08.47 | obfuscated | I was aschew a few days ago but I got better |
| 19:09.28 | graphyx | It's like being the president of the galaxy. |
| 19:10.27 | planet-overlord | If people know who I am, it makes it harder to be mean and boot them from the planet for no reason at all. |
| 19:10.47 | jsmith | planet-overlord: You have a hard enough time being mean as it is :-) |
| 19:10.51 | obfuscated | ibot doesn't even know who you are |
| 19:11.22 | planet-overlord | jsmith: Working on it. |
| 19:11.48 | jsmith | planet-overlord: These things take time :-) |
| 19:12.19 | elg | ibot's got it down |
| 19:12.21 | elg | ~lart planet-overlord |
| 19:12.41 | planet-overlord | Gabriel |
| 19:13.05 | graphyx | ~seen planet-overlord |
| 19:13.14 | ibot | planet-overlord is currently on #utah (1h 9m 12s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 33s, last said: 'Gabriel'. |
| 19:13.15 | graphyx | can'y you guys tell? He is an actor from the Dr. Who set. |
| 19:13.39 | planet-overlord | Dr. Who? |
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| 19:15.02 | Jayce^ | hrm, with spr's rebuttal, should we start the countdown to the first 'Planet Utah Flamewar' |
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| 19:16.38 | linuxalien | Hewwo |
| 19:18.48 | emcnabb | does MacOS X support NFSv4? |
| 19:21.35 | spr | Jayce^, are you ignoring Stuart's rebuttal to the gnome 3.0 post? |
| 19:21.50 | emcnabb | hum... it looks like it only supports v3 |
| 19:22.37 | graphyx | so is openclue.org a UT Lug blog linker? |
| 19:22.52 | graphyx | wow that was a lot of abbreviations. |
| 19:23.06 | emcnabb | graphyx: yeah |
| 19:24.50 | obfuscated | lnkr |
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| 19:43.15 | jsmith | graphyx: It's a "planet" aggregator, just like Planet Gnome or Planet Asterisk or Planet Classpath or Planet PostgreSQL |
| 19:43.35 | graphyx | I haven't really seen the planet aggregators in the past. |
| 19:44.02 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 19:45.24 | findlay | planet agriculture? |
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| 19:50.13 | Jayce^ | bah, he quit |
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| 19:59.17 | hans | -lart Jayce^ |
| 20:00.20 | emcnabb | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:03.25 | Jayce^ | ~slap emcnabb |
| 20:03.26 | ibot | ACTION slaps emcnabb, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:03.39 | Jayce^ | ~lart hans |
| 20:04.00 | hans | well, at least it wasn't a small apple and seven strange giants |
| 20:04.10 | sjansen | ~defend emcnabb |
| 20:04.11 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of emcnabb, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward emcnabb so that emcnabb may live on in peace and quiet |
| 20:04.26 | sjansen | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 20:04.33 | sjansen | ~defend hans |
| 20:04.34 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of hans, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward hans so that hans may live on in peace and quiet |
| 20:04.39 | Jayce^ | ~cook sjansen |
| 20:04.40 | ibot | ACTION throws sjansen in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks sjansen on 350 for an hour |
| 20:04.44 | Jayce^ | ~windows sjansen |
| 20:04.46 | ibot | ACTION installs Windows ME on sjansen's PC. |
| 20:05.19 | sjansen | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *&%(&^())(*)&) >>> Connection Closed: Client Rebooting <<< |
| 20:05.40 | emcnabb | sjansen to the rescue! |
| 20:06.00 | emcnabb | he's hans' knight in shining armor |
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| 20:07.13 | hans | *sniff* |
| 20:07.25 | hans | my only knight in shining armor now runs windows |
| 20:08.41 | emcnabb | he sacrificed himself for you |
| 20:08.48 | emcnabb | touching moments on #utah |
| 20:08.56 | beandog | we need more stuff like that on tv. |
| 20:11.46 | maquis | when doing %s/foo/bar/g in vim, how do i tell it to do it case-sensitive? |
| 20:12.21 | jsmith | maquis: It is, by default. Do you mean case-insensitive? |
| 20:12.45 | maquis | jsmith: it's not being case-sensitive for me for some reason |
| 20:12.48 | jsmith | Jayce^: Does that mean I was right? |
| 20:13.10 | maquis | i did :%s/S/#/g, and it's changing everything with an s or a |
| 20:13.11 | maquis | S |
| 20:13.41 | Jayce^ | jsmith, yes |
| 20:13.49 | Jayce^ | maquis, must be gentoo :-p |
| 20:14.01 | Jayce^ | just did a quick check, and it's default sensitive for me |
| 20:14.04 | maquis | Jayce^: i'm not in gentoo |
| 20:14.20 | maquis | could it have something to do with the fact that my searches are case-insensitive/ |
| 20:14.20 | maquis | w |
| 20:14.21 | maquis | er |
| 20:14.53 | Jayce^ | you have some flag/setting forcing that? |
| 20:15.50 | maquis | in my .vimrc |
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| 20:16.06 | maquis | i just got rid of that and resourced the .vimrc, though |
| 20:16.41 | maquis | that was the problem |
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| 20:26.22 | goozbach | rpmlint is pretty cool |
| 20:26.44 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 20:27.05 | ^Migs^ | a parent just sent me an email complaining about a bad teacher. Apparently, this teacher badmouths the class and tells them how much she hates them. |
| 20:27.06 | ^Migs^ | she's going DOWN |
| 20:28.17 | findlay | shining armour? |
| 20:28.45 | ^Migs^ | no, I'm letting HR handle it |
| 20:28.55 | ^Migs^ | I'd love to be there for the smackdown, though |
| 20:30.03 | tensai | findlay: armour hot dogs |
| 20:31.13 | goozbach | shuder |
| 20:31.19 | goozbach | er *Shudder* |
| 20:42.17 | ^Migs^ | why the heck do people feel the need to type in caps in their emails? |
| 20:42.54 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: WHY DO YOU CARE? ;-) |
| 20:42.55 | findlay | i DON'T KNOW |
| 20:43.16 | findlay | THREE WORDS: aol |
| 20:44.04 | ^Migs^ | MAYBE BECAUSE I HAVE TO RESPOND TO OR AT LEAST READ THESE DUMB EMAILS EACH DAY K THX |
| 20:44.19 | mrpull- | OIC |
| 20:44.46 | ^Migs^ | and since I work in a school district, it doesn't speak very highly of what our English teachers are teaching the kids, when the kids feel the need to YELL at me in their emails and omit all forms of punctuation |
| 20:44.51 | mrpull- | the other day I needed my caps lock and realized i'd remapped it to control... |
| 20:45.48 | ^Migs^ | "HI! I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU!?!?! UM...I'M STUDENT AT ROCKY MOUNTAIN JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, 7TH GRADE AND I TRIED TO GET INTO EDLINE WITH MY NEW PASSWORD AND IT SAYS I HAVE TO CONTACT YOU ABOUT IT! IT ALSO SAID LAST TIME I LOGGED IN I DIDN'T SELECT SECURITY QUESTION THING! WELL THE PROBLEM IS I HAVEN'T EVER LOGGED IN BEFORE SO HOW COULD I HAVE DONE THE QUESTION???? HUHHH?? WELL PLEASE GET BACK TO ME ON THAT OK!!!! P.S. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SINCEREL |
| 20:45.52 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's lovely |
| 20:46.17 | RyanE | yeah, and they spelled 'edlin' wrong. :) |
| 20:46.48 | mrpull- | RyanE: heh... i was afraid he actually was asking about edlin |
| 20:46.49 | ^Migs^ | what's with that "HUHHHH??" as if it's entirely my fault |
| 20:47.27 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: can you really share that info? despite it being crap? |
| 20:48.28 | ^Migs^ | share what info? the email? |
| 20:48.28 | ^Migs^ | I didn't mention his name, did I? :D |
| 20:48.28 | ^Migs^ | probably your kid, anyway |
| 20:48.28 | ^Migs^ | j/k :D |
| 20:48.28 | RyanE | and he didnt' mention that debilitating disease, either. |
| 20:48.28 | mrpull- | It could have been my one of my two year olds |
| 20:48.56 | ^Migs^ | I get lots of great emails. Like people who try to get all chummy with me and say it would be "cool" of me to help their girlfriend get a job at the district |
| 20:49.20 | RyanE | probably would be 'cool' of you. hehe |
| 20:49.56 | ^Migs^ | I need to start keeping the funny emails. I usually just delete them. |
| 20:50.22 | graphyx | I had a friend who was in charge of assigning the MTC districts for the new missionaries. |
| 20:50.25 | graphyx | and companions. |
| 20:50.45 | graphyx | She has a list of the names that they assigned, and some that were too shocking to put together. |
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| 20:50.49 | ^Migs^ | then another guy who got pissed at me because the board of directors approved a bond rather than returning money to the taxpayers |
| 20:51.06 | graphyx | rather amuzing stuff. |
| 20:51.35 | ^Migs^ | "Shame on you for suggesting such a thing," he helpfully told me. |
| 20:51.53 | graphyx | wow.. you suggested it? |
| 20:51.54 | ^Migs^ | hehe |
| 20:52.16 | ^Migs^ | yes, because I oversee all operations within the district. Screw the superintendent. I'm the one you need to talk to. |
| 20:52.24 | ^Migs^ | "screw the superintendent" was a bad choice of words. |
| 20:52.39 | ^Migs^ | do you remember any funny name combos, graphyx? |
| 20:53.17 | ^Migs^ | frankly, I don't even know what a bond is |
| 20:53.23 | findlay | is perl usually compiled with thread support on major distros? |
| 20:54.25 | ^Migs^ | and now I do. Thanks wikipedia! |
| 20:55.30 | dilvie | dilvie is here. |
| 20:55.50 | tensai | findlay: would that be "-Dusethreads"? seems to be on Debian |
| 20:56.01 | dilvie | what's up? |
| 20:56.38 | Jayce^ | findlay, yes |
| 20:56.46 | findlay | tensai: don't know, but it seems that mod_perl wants threads |
| 20:56.59 | findlay | instead of strings, I suppose |
| 20:57.00 | Jayce^ | findlay, ugh, you must be installing one of the threaded MPM's |
| 20:57.04 | tensai | perl -V |
| 20:57.07 | findlay | threads are finer I guess |
| 20:57.22 | Jayce^ | just use prefork mpm, go without threads unless you really do need them |
| 20:58.07 | findlay | Jayce^: what's wrong with mpms? |
| 20:58.46 | Jayce^ | findlay, nothing wrong with MPM's, they're required, it's all about which ones you use |
| 20:58.53 | Jayce^ | on linux, just use prefork |
| 20:59.03 | Jayce^ | unless you are specifically planning on using features from threading |
| 21:00.08 | findlay | the mod_perl ebuild tells me that I can't have non-threaded perl with threaded apache |
| 21:00.52 | planet-overlord | superintendent - that was my father-in-law until a few years ago. |
| 21:01.16 | ^Migs^ | of which district? |
| 21:01.20 | Jayce^ | findlay, can't really help you with an ebuild, how they are doing it |
| 21:01.21 | planet-overlord | if you are talking Alpine |
| 21:01.28 | findlay | I'd rather not touch apache and perl and mod_perl just to install some mason stuff |
| 21:01.34 | ^Migs^ | nope, Weber |
| 21:02.21 | Jayce^ | perl can have threads compiled and not compiled in mod_perl just fine |
| 21:02.34 | Jayce^ | I'm just not sure what they have for their configuration |
| 21:02.47 | planet-overlord | I'm sure he pulled the file on me before I became a son-in-law |
| 21:02.58 | ^Migs^ | http://www.jonathancoulton.com/mp3/Code%20Monkey.mp3 |
| 21:03.08 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.08 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.08 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.31 | findlay | I don't know how to make sense of that yet |
| 21:03.31 | mheath | You know what I need to do... |
| 21:03.36 | mheath | Get rid of all my computers |
| 21:03.51 | mheath | Then get a small, cheap, ~1ghz machine to do some minor gaming on |
| 21:03.57 | mheath | And a small machine for my server |
| 21:04.18 | findlay | looks like I still have some learning yet to do |
| 21:04.20 | Jayce^ | well, MPM's are the pluggable modules that apache uses, prefork, threaded, worker, etc.. |
| 21:04.46 | Jayce^ | it's looking at which one you have installed (can have many installed, only using one per port) |
| 21:04.59 | Jayce^ | looks like they only allow one |
| 21:05.04 | emcnabb | mheath: get a laptop; I use my laptop for 95%+ of my daily work |
| 21:05.17 | emcnabb | it's small and portable |
| 21:05.21 | Jayce^ | so if you have a non-prefork, and don't have ithreads compiled into perl, then that won't work.. makes sense |
| 21:05.26 | mheath | emcnabb, I really have no money |
| 21:05.38 | Jayce^ | so, just install prefork MPM (best for linux anyways) |
| 21:05.40 | mheath | I just want something thats capable of playing Half-Life 1 era games |
| 21:05.46 | Jayce^ | or, recompile perl with the threaded mpm |
| 21:05.48 | mheath | Other than that, I'll take a Pentium I |
| 21:05.56 | emcnabb | you can get a used laptop for almost nothing |
| 21:05.56 | mheath | But used laptops are unreliable, especially when it comes to the battery. |
| 21:05.57 | Jayce^ | with threads.. |
| 21:06.08 | mheath | I don't know if I could find a used laptop dealer I'd feel comfortable with |
| 21:06.23 | emcnabb | mheath: even with a bad battery it still is more portable than your current box |
| 21:06.50 | planet-overlord | *PC Laptops*! |
| 21:07.02 | findlay | I'll probably just remerge apaceh with prefork then |
| 21:07.02 | Jayce^ | ~lart planet-overlord |
| 21:07.07 | planet-overlord | they love you! |
| 21:07.14 | Jayce^ | findlay, I'd say that's the best idea |
| 21:07.18 | findlay | yeha |
| 21:07.29 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't think this processor is up to the task of rotating 36 4 megapixel photos at once |
| 21:09.32 | findlay | Jayce^: thanks for the input, otherwise I'd probably have spent a few hours figuring out what I should do, although I should probably do that anyway to figure out what's going on |
| 21:09.42 | Jayce^ | np |
| 21:12.34 | ^Migs^ | time to get a new processor |
| 21:12.37 | findlay | emcnabb: where are the laptops for almost nothing? |
| 21:12.49 | ^Migs^ | I want a cheap laptop |
| 21:13.18 | ^Migs^ | although I should probably upgrade my current laptop instead |
| 21:14.21 | emcnabb | go to ebay and search for... "laptop" |
| 21:14.42 | emcnabb | http://cgi.ebay.com/DELL-Inspiron-B120-LAPTOP-1-40-GHz-512M-RAM-40G-HD_W0QQitemZ6871936827QQcategoryZ31542QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:14.53 | emcnabb | there's a very nice system for ~$400 |
| 21:15.13 | emcnabb | if you want a lower end machine for less, there are plenty there too |
| 21:17.02 | maquis | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00021RGK4/sr=1-1/qid=1145394998/ref=sr_1_1/002-1014262-0164032?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=pc |
| 21:17.15 | ^Migs^ | okay, how is $400 almost nothing? |
| 21:17.52 | maquis | ^Migs^: when you're talking about a nice laptop, 400$ is almost nothing |
| 21:17.55 | emcnabb | I said that the $400 was nice one |
| 21:18.06 | emcnabb | then I said if you want cheaper ones they exist too |
| 21:18.14 | findlay | lim a-->t f($400) = L = nothing |
| 21:18.43 | findlay | = lol = nan = whatever |
| 21:18.45 | maquis | ooh... |
| 21:18.54 | maquis | older thinkpads for 399$ |
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| 21:21.20 | emcnabb | http://www.usedlaptops.com/150_299-refurbished-laptops.html |
| 21:21.22 | brac | [Browse by price: $150 - $299: Used Laptop Computer Refurbished Notebook Discount Laptops Dealer] |
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| 21:34.18 | harleypig | IP over Telepathy?! I want it! |
| 21:34.57 | jsmith | Well, I'd settle for telepathy over IP in the short term... |
| 21:35.35 | findlay | harleypig: wonder what kind of pings you get over that network |
| 21:36.02 | findlay | wait, what kind of IP are we talking about? |
| 21:36.12 | findlay | sounds illegal |
| 21:36.17 | findlay | I patent it! |
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| 21:51.51 | findlay | ~bzfrag TimRiker |
| 21:51.52 | ibot | ACTION skewers TimRiker with a super bullet |
| 22:02.41 | harleypig | I need to set up my tinydns to point mx to googls servers. I thought I had it setup correctly, but they aren't seeing it. Anyone familiar with tinydns and can give me some pointers? |
| 22:04.14 | harleypig | findlay: I'd suppose the ping would be determined by how alert you are ... that'd be cool ... create a mesh networ using IP/TP |
| 22:04.21 | harleypig | IP/TPY? |
| 22:04.58 | harleypig | woops ... that'd be TPY?/IP |
| 22:05.28 | harleypig | NM. I give up. |
| 22:08.47 | harleypig | Hmmm ... makes me wonder about IP over telekinesis ... |
| 22:09.22 | harleypig | and let's not forget about the ol' standby ... CP (carrier pigeon) |
| 22:09.22 | nick125 | that would be...interesting.. |
| 22:09.38 | nick125 | IP-over-CP |
| 22:09.40 | nick125 | nice.. |
| 22:09.50 | findlay | as a failover |
| 22:10.07 | harleypig | Go from the speed of thought to 1 packet a week. |
| 22:10.23 | harleypig | talk about slamming into a wall. |
| 22:10.37 | harleypig | No one has any ideas on the tinydns mx setup? |
| 22:11.41 | nick125 | but, you could have...10GB packets.. |
| 22:12.53 | harleypig | heh ... just had images of people randomly freezing where they are as their brains tries to process a bunch of 10GB packets. |
| 22:13.43 | nick125 | lol |
| 22:13.54 | RyanE_ | and if your pigeon slammed into a wall, that's some major packet droppage. |
| 22:14.16 | harleypig | not to mention messy ... |
| 22:14.26 | harleypig | well, I guess it would be messy anyway ... |
| 22:14.57 | harleypig | You'd have to have some pretty hefty error correction for when your packet was smudged by ... various things. |
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| 22:22.19 | harleypig | That's not a lart ... |
| 22:22.39 | findlay | heh |
| 22:23.40 | findlay | cpan as a package manager needs some serious work |
| 22:23.45 | findlay | or I'm missing something |
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| 22:25.45 | maquis | what the? |
| 22:26.07 | findlay | ~? |
| 22:26.41 | maquis | for (i = 0; printf("num_data = %d\n",arff_data->num_data) && i < arff_data->num_data && printf("asdf\n"); i++){ |
| 22:27.03 | maquis | num_data = 10 |
| 22:27.03 | maquis | zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) learner |
| 22:27.35 | maquis | how is it doing that? |
| 22:28.12 | findlay | } |
| 22:28.24 | jlp_work | arff_data == NULL? |
| 22:28.32 | jlp_work | or wild |
| 22:28.58 | jlp_work | what's the core say? |
| 22:29.12 | maquis | jlp_work: if arff_data was null or wild, it shouldn't've been able to print out arff_data->num_data, right? |
| 22:29.37 | maquis | (that num_data = 10 is from the printf inside the for-loop) |
| 22:30.29 | jlp_work | true enough |
| 22:31.06 | jlp_work | why are you using && instead of ,? do you only want to do the second (and third) statement if the first one (two) succeed? |
| 22:31.51 | maquis | jlp_work: i didn't know that , worked in for-loops |
| 22:31.54 | jlp_work | I always get concerned letting operator precedence "handle" things for me... use lots of parens |
| 22:32.04 | jlp_work | we're talking C, right? |
| 22:32.10 | maquis | i generally don't print in the middle of a for-loop statement |
| 22:32.37 | maquis | this was my attempt at figuring out why the last line of the loop was printing, and then it was seg-faulting before getting into the next iteration |
| 22:35.11 | maquis | jlp_work: switching it to , made it seg-fault at a different spot |
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| 22:36.27 | maquis | GAH! |
| 22:36.33 | maquis | i just want this to go away! |
| 22:40.48 | sjansen | maquis: rm -Rf / |
| 22:41.02 | sjansen | all your current worries will disappear |
| 22:41.33 | maquis | sjansen: only to be replaced with new and worse worries |
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| 22:42.06 | SpecialZ | sjansen, rats you beat me to suggesting the simplest solution. |
| 22:42.08 | findlay | ~go away |
| 22:42.10 | ibot | /server irc.rt.ru |
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| 22:42.56 | sjansen | ~rlart |
| 22:44.40 | jlp_work | maquis: keep in mind that && will short circuit. if the first part evaluates to false, it won't even try to execute the second part. the comma operator will execute all parts, but the ultimate return value will be the value of the last thing in the list |
| 22:45.02 | jlp_work | does something happen to arff_data in the body of the loop? |
| 22:45.15 | jlp_work | (like, arff_data = arff_data->next?) |
| 22:46.03 | maquis | jlp_work: i'm not sure what was wrong there, but i remade that function, and now it's not seg-faulting there anymore.... |
| 22:46.31 | maquis | jlp_work: hypothetically, no... and if it had, arff_data->num_data should've been wrong, but it was correct |
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| 22:59.17 | jlp_work | my assumption was that the first time through the loop it worked okay, but the second time the dereference for the printf was causing the sigsegv. examining the core dump in a debugger could have helped |
| 22:59.37 | jlp_work | are you familiar with working with the debugger? if not, you should get familiar (at least, if you plan to do much with C :-) |
| 23:00.41 | jlp_work | I highly recommend gdb-mode in emacs |
| 23:01.23 | maquis | jlp_work: i'm unfortunately not as good at gdb as i'd like to be... pretty much, i can get backtraces, and not a whole lot more :( |
| 23:02.02 | jlp_work | it lets you do so much more, maquis. you should spend some time with it. you could, for example, step through that loop printing the value of arff_data->num_data each time |
| 23:02.42 | maquis | jlp_work: yeah... i was printing out arff_data->num_data, followed by some other data, right before the end of the loop |
| 23:03.04 | jlp_work | knowing how to use the debugger means never having to insert printf statements again :-) |
| 23:03.08 | maquis | doing it in gdb would probably be really helpful, but i just haven't gotten around to really learning how the debugger works |
| 23:03.12 | maquis | jlp_work: lol |
| 23:03.14 | maquis | that'd be useful |
| 23:04.05 | jlp_work | I suppose I could be talked into doing a mini-class on using gdb, say for a uug meeting or something. it would give me a good excuse to come to another uug meeting |
| 23:04.16 | harleypig | well, I got the tinydns mx problem fixed. Thanks for all the help. :] |
| 23:04.56 | maquis | jlp_work: i think what i really need is just a good reference, and a lot more experience... |
| 23:05.09 | findlay | harleypig: you're now the expert here (: |
| 23:05.31 | harleypig | oops |
| 23:06.19 | harleypig | don't suppose anyone can give me some help in fixing my sound problem? I updated to dapper (kubuntu) and lost my sound and can't use my nvidia drivers. |
| 23:06.26 | harleypig | It's all jayce's fault. |
| 23:06.49 | findlay | isn't so dapper after all? |
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| 23:07.05 | harleypig | huh? |
| 23:07.09 | harleypig | oh |
| 23:07.18 | harleypig | I'm a little slow on the uptake. |
| 23:08.02 | jlp_work | harleypig: I had a problem where my /dev/dsp wasn't showing up. it ended up being udevd not running or something weird like that. alsa sound apps worked, but generic sound apps didn't |
| 23:08.13 | jlp_work | don't know if that helps or not, just one data point |
| 23:08.26 | findlay | what about downgive? |
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| 23:19.13 | TheDiff | has anyone used inkscape before? |
| 23:21.14 | findlay | I opened it up once |
| 23:21.33 | TheDiff | its pretty sick |
| 23:29.32 | SpecialZ | http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/ |
| 23:29.33 | brac | [DHTML Lemmings! - by crisp] |
| 23:29.56 | SpecialZ | yeah, Lemmings in java, but it doesn't work too well in Safari |
| 23:30.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Not in java! |
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| 23:43.25 | atoponce | so i seem to be getting a great deal of attention lately about a couple posts |
| 23:43.30 | atoponce | on my blog |
| 23:44.45 | atoponce | first off, my switch to jabber isn't to force others to do the same. |
| 23:45.27 | nick125 | wheres your blog? |
| 23:45.27 | atoponce | second, gnome 3.0 better be revolutionary, because right now, i'm not pleased with it's progress |
| 23:45.31 | atoponce | pthree.org |
| 23:46.00 | atoponce | third, proprietary software *should* be welcomed in linux |
| 23:47.26 | atoponce | i think there is a great deal of misunderstanding with what i am trying to communicate |
| 23:47.34 | atoponce | definitely regarding OSS |
| 23:48.07 | atoponce | however, i have taken no offense, and have welcomed everyone's criticism. |
| 23:48.23 | atoponce | i think it's great to see the differing opinions |
| 23:48.28 | atoponce | and arguments |
| 23:49.10 | atoponce | it's an interesting and fun topic to discuss. it sure does bring people out of the woodwork |
| 23:51.56 | harleypig | Yay! I got my sound back. #ubuntu+1 was actually helpful. |