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| 00:48.48 | elg | -lart lukfugl |
| 00:49.08 | linuxalien | bbl |
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| 03:26.40 | elg | hi dilvie |
| 03:26.48 | elg | ~onjoin forget everything stupid bot |
| 03:26.48 | ibot | elg: ok |
| 03:26.57 | elg | yeah, right |
| 03:26.57 | dilvie | hi |
| 03:26.59 | dilvie | =) |
| 03:27.09 | dilvie | hahah |
| 03:27.22 | nick125_ | lol |
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| 03:27.45 | dilvie | elg: progress? |
| 03:28.34 | elg | yes, progress. should materialize within a few days. if not that, then 3 weeks at the latest for certain, or i get a bad grade. :) |
| 03:28.41 | nick125_ | you know..I wouldn't be surprised if that in #utah, only less then 10 people here were actually from utah.. |
| 03:29.34 | dilvie | ah, so you decided to do haas for your assignment? |
| 03:32.54 | dilvie | in new mexico? |
| 03:32.57 | dilvie | a few people do |
| 03:33.18 | nick125_ | very few.. |
| 03:33.22 | dilvie | I've got a hard-core hacker friend from nm |
| 03:33.36 | nick125_ | and I've never met one in person, I know that for sure.. |
| 03:34.04 | dilvie | he started out as a script kiddie, and now he rolls his own security audits for a living |
| 03:34.47 | nick125_ | nice... |
| 03:36.16 | elg | nick125: really? where? |
| 03:36.32 | elg | dilvie: where's your hacker friend? |
| 03:37.00 | nick125_ | I think theres a lug here in albuquerque, but, it only gets like..20 posts a month to the mailing list and such |
| 03:37.14 | elg | nick125: it used to get more |
| 03:37.23 | dilvie | elg: tuscon, at the moment. he moved for a sysadmin job |
| 03:37.27 | elg | ah |
| 03:37.44 | elg | nick125: the mesilla valley (las cruces area) group is a joke though |
| 03:38.01 | nick125_ | debian-based distro usage is...rampted (or however you spell it |
| 03:38.03 | elg | nick125: a lot of people in los alamos, and at the universities, know linux |
| 03:38.06 | dilvie | where is las cruces? |
| 03:38.14 | maquis | currently living there, though |
| 03:38.16 | elg | middle south? |
| 03:39.01 | nick125_ | rampant! there.. |
| 03:39.49 | nick125_ | the one lug's IRC server's MOTD is a big giant debian logo. I cried |
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| 03:42.23 | elg | that's one thing I like about NMLUG :) |
| 03:43.02 | nick125_ | I'm thinking of going to a nmosug meeting someday.. |
| 03:43.06 | elg | i grew up in santa fe, and I liked computers, and I didn't hear about linux until I got to college and learned about it from a friend from Los Alamos |
| 03:43.20 | elg | nmosug? did they rename it or start yet another group? |
| 03:43.34 | elg | I about died when I saw there was NMLUG and NMGLUG |
| 03:43.51 | nick125_ | new mexico open source users group.. |
| 03:44.04 | elg | one that apparently santa fe centric, the other albuquerque centric |
| 03:44.19 | elg | but neither has enough to really be on its own |
| 03:45.00 | nick125_ | yeah |
| 03:45.23 | elg | our lug here is funny. we get about 4 messages a month |
| 03:46.08 | elg | well, 4 threads. most are "hey, let's have a meeting tonight." "Ok, how about at <such and such food place across town>" "Cool!" |
| 03:46.20 | elg | and like two people get together. but that's ok, that's like 50% attendance |
| 03:46.41 | dilvie | I grew up on computers |
| 03:46.46 | nick125_ | elg: haha |
| 03:47.01 | elg | I tried to volunteer to do an asterisk presentation and get swag from o'reilly, but nobody would fess up to being the group leader |
| 03:47.07 | dilvie | the first time I saw linux, it was on the original sunsite ftp |
| 03:47.12 | elg | it's apparently an anarchy |
| 03:47.31 | dilvie | first time I really played with it was the original slackware cd distribution |
| 03:47.33 | nick125_ | the first time I saw linux was this thing called linux4windows or something... |
| 03:47.51 | nick125_ | thats the first time I tried to use it.. |
| 03:49.15 | dilvie | that sounds familiar, but I don't know what it is. |
| 03:50.04 | dilvie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware |
| 03:50.48 | QBFreak | AHG |
| 03:51.05 | QBFreak | I keep dropping hints about the heat and how my computer doesn't like it, but they still wont turn on the AC |
| 03:51.08 | QBFreak | and now its locking up again |
| 03:51.30 | QBFreak | so I'm stuck with only IRC and only at 80x25 |
| 03:54.58 | dilvie | your computer is too cold? |
| 03:55.14 | QBFreak | too hot |
| 03:55.34 | dilvie | oh |
| 03:55.34 | QBFreak | just using firefox and Gaim is enough to kill it right now |
| 03:55.35 | dilvie | duh |
| 03:55.43 | dilvie | I'm a little tired. ;) |
| 03:56.05 | nick125 | what. broke. now. |
| 03:56.18 | nick125 | bind(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6600), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 EADDRNOTAVAIL (Cannot assign requested address) |
| 03:56.58 | nick125 | why does that not sound good.. |
| 03:58.52 | mheath | ARGH! |
| 03:59.04 | mheath | I bought a used dual proc P3 server |
| 03:59.12 | mheath | I was doing maintenance on it. Had the fans+heatsinks off |
| 03:59.22 | mheath | Apparently, though, someone decided to turn the machine on when I was gone |
| 03:59.24 | nick125 | forgot to turn it off? |
| 03:59.28 | nick125 | ouch |
| 03:59.28 | mheath | Both of the procs are ruined. |
| 03:59.48 | nick125 | do you know who turned it on? |
| 04:00.02 | mheath | No =\ |
| 04:00.07 | QBFreak | that sucks |
| 04:01.21 | tensai | nick125: ip link set dev lo up? |
| 04:01.42 | nick125 | tensai: yeah.. |
| 04:01.53 | nick125 | it seems my init scripts broke, and, net.lo didnt get started |
| 04:02.11 | mheath | *sigh* |
| 04:02.27 | mheath | Why is my life falling to pieces, just after I seemed to have it back on track? |
| 04:04.38 | mheath | Not graduating from highschool, now. |
| 04:04.40 | nick125 | because thats how life works. |
| 04:05.25 | mheath | I work my butt off getting on track for graduation |
| 04:05.42 | mheath | And, because of a miscommunication between me and my counselor, I'm missing a requirement |
| 04:05.56 | nick125 | ouch |
| 04:06.05 | mheath | A requirement that theres very little chance I'll be able to complete now, but I could have completed it easily earlier if I'd know about it. |
| 04:07.53 | maquis | ouch |
| 04:14.07 | dna3e8 | What is the best way to fix a hosed grub boot loader? |
| 04:15.26 | maquis | dna3e8: how is it hosed? and how did it get that way? |
| 04:15.49 | dna3e8 | none of the distros will boot |
| 04:16.05 | maquis | does it give an error? |
| 04:16.19 | dna3e8 | my grub file has bad commands |
| 04:16.44 | maquis | what does your grub file look like? |
| 04:16.58 | dna3e8 | it doesn't have the right devise location and 'boot command |
| 04:17.06 | maquis | ok |
| 04:17.29 | dna3e8 | I just need a utility to recreate my grub file |
| 04:17.45 | maquis | so, to fix it, you need to edit the grub.conf (or menu.lst if it's a debian-based system), and fix the device locations... |
| 04:18.17 | dna3e8 | there is one debian system on it, knoppix |
| 04:18.31 | dna3e8 | Fedora makes it to the login screen |
| 04:18.37 | maquis | if it has a grub.conf, use that |
| 04:18.46 | maquis | i don't know of a utility to fix everything |
| 04:18.54 | maquis | i just know that it works to do it manually |
| 04:19.44 | maquis | out of curiosity, how did it get messed up? |
| 04:20.34 | dna3e8 | I installed many distros, and they did not preservfe the grub file right |
| 04:20.54 | dna3e8 | *preserve |
| 04:21.07 | maquis | ok |
| 04:21.28 | maquis | well, if you're going to be messing with it more, it's important to know how to fix the grub.conf file anyway |
| 04:21.32 | maquis | it's a useful skill |
| 04:21.34 | dna3e8 | I am trying to get a terminal windo in fedora |
| 04:22.08 | dna3e8 | *window |
| 04:22.09 | maquis | if you can get into a distro, that's cool, if you can't, it's easiest to boot into a livecd of some sort |
| 04:22.25 | maquis | and i've done it without either, and it was a *massive* pain |
| 04:23.42 | dna3e8 | I have unbutu and knoppix,, of a 'fail-safe" in fedora |
| 04:23.51 | maquis | huh? |
| 04:23.58 | dna3e8 | live cds |
| 04:24.11 | maquis | ok |
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| 04:25.08 | maquis | did you manage to get a terminal in fedora? |
| 04:26.02 | dna3e8 | I am going to use the failsafe mode of fedora |
| 04:26.15 | dna3e8 | I am root on fedora |
| 04:26.41 | dna3e8 | in TERMANAL |
| 04:26.50 | maquis | dna3e8: failsafe mode? single-user mode? |
| 04:26.57 | dna3e8 | yes..? |
| 04:27.06 | maquis | ok... whatever :) |
| 04:27.15 | dna3e8 | a small window with terminal |
| 04:27.16 | maquis | make sure that /boot is mounted |
| 04:27.20 | dna3e8 | ok |
| 04:27.38 | maquis | open up /boot/grub/grub.conf and look at the entries in there |
| 04:27.49 | mheath | Heh, wow. My dad's cousin didn't graduate from highschool...... |
| 04:27.52 | mheath | Slacked off. |
| 04:27.54 | mheath | Thats amazing |
| 04:27.54 | dna3e8 | I did Df and then is a ... Mounted on / |
| 04:28.05 | maquis | dna3e8: what? |
| 04:28.43 | dna3e8 | I am trying to figure out id /boot is mounted |
| 04:28.49 | QBFreak | maquis: fail safe in fedora is basically just X and a terminal window, you choose it as you would KDE of Gnome |
| 04:29.34 | dna3e8 | From df I do not have anything mounted on /boot |
| 04:29.43 | maquis | QBFreak: ah... ok... so, is it similar to safe-mode on windoze |
| 04:29.44 | maquis | ? |
| 04:29.52 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 04:30.17 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 04:30.23 | QBFreak | but with a higher resolution :) |
| 04:30.28 | maquis | dna3e8: ok.. do you know where you've been sticking /boot? |
| 04:30.48 | dna3e8 | I think it is in root? |
| 04:31.00 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:31.21 | maquis | where is grub installed? |
| 04:31.28 | maquis | what partition is it installed on? |
| 04:31.40 | dna3e8 | I hdb5 |
| 04:31.47 | dna3e8 | it is a logical partition |
| 04:31.59 | maquis | dna3e8: ok... so, is hdb5 mounted someplace? |
| 04:32.06 | dna3e8 | yes |
| 04:32.07 | maquis | you need to access a file on there |
| 04:32.10 | dna3e8 | on / |
| 04:32.20 | maquis | ok |
| 04:32.31 | maquis | so, on /, there should be a /boot directory, then |
| 04:32.42 | maquis | you need to go in there, and open /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 04:33.16 | dna3e8 | do you know vim or gmacs better |
| 04:33.44 | dna3e8 | (I don't know either, what would you be able to instruct me better with) |
| 04:34.04 | maquis | dna3e8: i use vim |
| 04:34.30 | mheath | Today is the worst day immagineable. |
| 04:34.34 | dna3e8 | ok i am looking at the grub fiel in vim |
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| 04:34.57 | dna3e8 | mheath: worst dayes stink, Good luck with tomarrow |
| 04:36.01 | maquis | dna3e8: ok.. so, you need to figure out what's wrong with each entry that's causing it to fail, and then fix that |
| 04:36.16 | dna3e8 | the kernal line for knoppix and unbutu doesnot exist, freee bsd is not there |
| 04:36.36 | dna3e8 | i don't know what the kernal liens should be, |
| 04:36.39 | maquis | that would probably be your problem |
| 04:36.47 | maquis | well, you probably havea kernel line for fedora, right? |
| 04:37.03 | dna3e8 | or what to do with the chain loader line |
| 04:37.07 | maquis | it should look pretty similar |
| 04:37.11 | dna3e8 | yes fedora kernal line is good |
| 04:37.30 | maquis | ok... so, look at the fedora kernel line, and figure out what each of the other linux ones should look like |
| 04:38.01 | maquis | i'd wait on the freebsd one, because i'm guessing it'll probably have slightly different syntax from the linux ones |
| 04:38.33 | dna3e8 | fedora has a root line, the other have a rootnoverify line what line should I have |
| 04:38.44 | maquis | hmmm |
| 04:38.58 | maquis | i've never used rootnoverify before... |
| 04:39.03 | maquis | i'm not sure what it does |
| 04:39.42 | dna3e8 | a vim question, I hit return and a new line is NOT created. |
| 04:40.20 | QBFreak | are you in INSERT mode? (should say --INSERT-- at the bottom) |
| 04:40.34 | dna3e8 | ok I hit esc |
| 04:40.51 | QBFreak | now to an 'o' |
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| 04:40.56 | QBFreak | without the quotes :) |
| 04:41.21 | dna3e8 | Now the kernal line has /boot/<where do I find waht goes here> |
| 04:41.27 | QBFreak | err do, or type or something... |
| 04:43.03 | maquis | dna3e8: what kernel does that distro want, and where is it located |
| 04:43.03 | maquis | ? |
| 04:43.25 | maquis | you're going to need to figure out what most of the fields are on your own, i'm afraid |
| 04:43.32 | dna3e8 | I don't know what kernal, or how to find what kernal |
| 04:43.51 | mheath | I feel so helpless, like I have no control over my life.... |
| 04:44.02 | mheath | Its amazing that both immediate and long term plans can all unravel in one moment. |
| 04:44.15 | maquis | dna3e8: you need to point the kernel line to a linux kernel |
| 04:44.19 | QBFreak | mheath: :( |
| 04:44.19 | maquis | that's the main important thing |
| 04:44.39 | dna3e8 | how Am I going to find the keranl |
| 04:44.47 | maquis | and make sure the kernel line says "kernel", not "kernal", otherwise it'll give an error |
| 04:44.57 | QBFreak | mheath: I wish I had something better to say than "I've been there", but that's all I've got :/ |
| 04:45.16 | QBFreak | hang on and you'll get through it |
| 04:45.21 | dna3e8 | (oh yeah VIMs syntex color ing is helping me) |
| 04:45.38 | mheath | QBFreak, Heh, one days events completely screwed up my plan for the next 10 years. |
| 04:45.52 | mheath | Screwed up my education choices, screwed up my enlistment with the corp..... |
| 04:45.59 | QBFreak | I quit trying to plan that far ahead :) |
| 04:46.09 | maquis | dna3e8: i'm guessing you can probably mount the device where that distro is, and find out where the kernel is located? i'm not sure... i've never actually run multiple distros on one box, but i'm guessing either they're all using the same kernel, or they each have their own... |
| 04:46.13 | mheath | Plus my dogs probably going to die tonight (He's very sick, hasn't eaten in days, and is barely breathing) |
| 04:46.15 | dna3e8 | mheath: I just tell me self that today is exciteing because it is today |
| 04:46.20 | mheath | And I've had the wosrt couple of days at work immagineable |
| 04:46.26 | maquis | my guess is that they'd all have to be in /boot, though, so look in there and see what kernels are there |
| 04:46.31 | dna3e8 | they ahve ther own |
| 04:46.32 | QBFreak | mheath: I've been there too (dog) |
| 04:47.02 | maquis | dna3e8: so, are there multiple kernels (one per distro) in /boot? |
| 04:47.05 | dna3e8 | (It would be nice if the used the same kernel but that is above my head) |
| 04:47.46 | dna3e8 | each distro is installed on a separate partition "completely indepandent" |
| 04:48.36 | maquis | oh... |
| 04:48.38 | dna3e8 | How do i save in VIM? (Then I will hunt down my kernels) |
| 04:48.51 | maquis | dna3e8: escape followed by :w |
| 04:48.58 | maquis | (and then :q if you want to quit) |
| 04:49.33 | maquis | what you need to do to find the kernels is mount the different partitions, and find the kernel for each |
| 04:49.57 | maquis | pay attention to which distro you're looking at too, because you'll need to match kernel, distro and partition |
| 04:50.10 | dna3e8 | how do I see all partitions |
| 04:50.21 | maquis | fdisk -l should list them for you |
| 04:50.32 | QBFreak | ooo *did not know that* |
| 04:50.53 | QBFreak | I've always just guessed them, starting at hda1 :) |
| 04:51.32 | dna3e8 | (the logical partitions are a bit confusing) |
| 04:51.32 | maquis | QBFreak: i learned that while trying to figure out what device an external drive was |
| 04:51.50 | maquis | dna3e8: what makes them confusing? |
| 04:52.40 | dna3e8 | well hdb 2 and 3 never show up |
| 04:52.45 | maquis | QBFreak: are you root? |
| 04:52.50 | QBFreak | I used sudo |
| 04:53.22 | dna3e8 | but f disk is saying that partition 1 2 and 3 do not end on cylinders (yes I am root) |
| 04:53.22 | maquis | QBFreak: i think on my system, i have to su -, but i guess the main reason for that is because it's not in my path |
| 04:53.38 | QBFreak | yeah, I found it in sbin on debian |
| 04:53.56 | maquis | dna3e8: is that an error message? or... how does it say that? |
| 04:54.28 | dna3e8 | Partition 1 does not end on a cylinder boundary. |
| 04:54.54 | maquis | ok... i don't know if that's related to the fact that you have logical partitions or not... |
| 04:55.08 | dna3e8 | (same for 2 and 3) |
| 04:55.26 | maquis | but unless it claims that's an error, i don't *think* it's likely to prevent you from mounting the partitions and finding the kernels |
| 04:55.40 | dna3e8 | PARTITION 3 contains 5-8 there is nor partitin 4 |
| 04:55.50 | maquis | ok... |
| 04:56.11 | dna3e8 | no I just thought it may be why I have nor partition 4 |
| 04:58.50 | dna3e8 | Partition 7 (with unbuntu) is the only one Fdisk says is bootable... As of now I will asume it doesn't mattter) |
| 04:59.55 | dna3e8 | I did mount /dev/hdb6 and is says not in fstab or mtab |
| 05:00.28 | maquis | yeah... it's not |
| 05:00.33 | maquis | you have to mount it *to* someplace |
| 05:00.56 | maquis | so, make a directory, and then mount /dev/hdb6 <directory you created> |
| 05:01.50 | maquis | as for the issue of whether it's bootable, i'm assuming that the drive where fedora is, is probably bootable as well? if not, then you're working on the wrong grub.conf, i believe |
| 05:01.51 | dna3e8 | should the folder be in Media dev... or where |
| 05:02.18 | maquis | dna3e8: not dev... most other places will work |
| 05:02.44 | maquis | i usually have /mnt/<directory to mount to>, but if you want to make it easy, just stick it in / |
| 05:03.44 | dna3e8 | how would i check this is the right grub (the boot loader screen makes it look like it is fedora) |
| 05:04.18 | maquis | dna3e8: is the partition bootable? |
| 05:04.37 | maquis | (according to fdisk) |
| 05:04.52 | maquis | because, when you boot your computer, it's going to go to a partition that is listed as bootable |
| 05:05.05 | dna3e8 | according to fdisk no |
| 05:05.09 | maquis | ok... |
| 05:05.32 | maquis | that means that you want the grub.conf (or whatever), in the partition that's bootable according to fdisk |
| 05:05.42 | dna3e8 | the MBR is on a different drive... with windows) |
| 05:05.43 | maquis | you'll want to mount that partition someplace |
| 05:14.05 | dna3e8 | hda1 is windos and I dont see any grub stuff |
| 05:17.04 | maquis | windows won't have grub stuff on it |
| 05:17.10 | dna3e8 | do I need ro worry about the intitrd linf of grub config |
| 05:17.17 | maquis | i thought you said the ubuntu drive was bootable? |
| 05:17.32 | maquis | dna3e8: if the distro has an initrd, yes |
| 05:17.45 | maquis | it depends on how your kernel is set up |
| 05:18.34 | maquis | if certain things were built as modules, then yes, you need an initrd |
| 05:18.46 | mheath | ~lart the world |
| 05:18.47 | maquis | if they're built into the kernel, then you don't need to worry about the initrd line |
| 05:19.29 | maquis | mheath: it'll turn out somehow... |
| 05:19.44 | maquis | you don't see it now, but somehow things have a tendency to turn out ok |
| 05:20.23 | mheath | maquis, I know things will `work out` |
| 05:20.30 | mheath | just not in the way I had planned |
| 05:20.36 | dna3e8 | this versioon of X seems to sugjest what the grub lines should be.. |
| 05:20.41 | mheath | and its frustrating that I have no control over anything =\ |
| 05:22.55 | maquis | mheath: yeah... that's life |
| 05:23.05 | maquis | dna3e8: what do you mean about X suggesting what the grub lines should be |
| 05:24.18 | dna3e8 | whn I do ls -l it apends => boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 to the file named vmlinuz |
| 05:25.22 | maquis | A) that's not X, B) that's just saying that vmlinuz is a symbolic link to boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-10-386 |
| 05:25.43 | dna3e8 | how do you get ls to pause until you hit a key (oh :)) |
| 05:26.17 | maquis | i think you're looking for 'ls | less' (without the quotes) |
| 05:28.18 | dna3e8 | oh thanks |
| 05:30.57 | dna3e8 | with the symbolic links, can I use the short one (before the => ) |
| 05:31.04 | maquis | yeah |
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| 05:34.00 | dna3e8 | I think you said you did not know what the cainloader +1 line means |
| 05:34.07 | dna3e8 | *chainloader |
| 05:34.29 | maquis | i don't know what that means |
| 05:34.37 | maquis | you'll have to check google |
| 05:34.47 | maquis | google should have plenty of links for what you're doing... |
| 05:34.53 | maquis | that's where i learned the parts i do know |
| 05:40.54 | dna3e8 | most of the google is over my head... |
| 05:41.47 | maquis | dna3e8: that's probably an important problem to resolve.. what makes it over your head? |
| 05:43.29 | dna3e8 | they say mount the partitions of the other distros |
| 05:44.28 | maquis | dna3e8: what makes that confusing? |
| 05:45.04 | maquis | dna3e8: if you don't understand that type of thing, you're in *way* over your head already |
| 05:45.57 | dna3e8 | i type mount and it doesn't work (a lot of things have 'hidden' facts like when you were telling me) YES I am in over my head but I don't know where else to start... so just jumped in... |
| 05:46.37 | maquis | dna3e8: generally, if you don't know how to swim, it's best to jump in someplace where you can touch the bottom at least on tip-toes :) |
| 05:47.10 | maquis | in general, if you don't understand how to use a command (mount, in this case) what you need to do is read the manpage |
| 05:47.25 | maquis | that'll give you a lot more information |
| 05:47.39 | maquis | or, if you try running it, and get an error message, you can check google for that error message |
| 05:48.07 | dna3e8 | true... but if you have know Idea how deep any of the water is (I still don't understand man pages...) |
| 05:48.40 | maquis | man pages are pretty simple... at the top, they give a summary of how to use them... let me pull up the manpage for mount, and i'll show you... |
| 05:49.13 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.13 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.13 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.20 | maquis | so, there are 3 ways to call it |
| 05:49.44 | maquis | so, you need to figure out what you want to do... |
| 05:50.15 | maquis | in general, you've got a device, and you've got a place you want to mount it to... |
| 05:50.31 | maquis | so, from here, you'd say "ok... i've got these two things... where would they fit in there |
| 05:51.05 | maquis | my guess is that it would fit in the last one, because we have two things that we know are going to be required |
| 05:51.30 | maquis | if you read the description, it explains it saying that the "special" is the device, and the "node" is the place on the filesystem |
| 05:51.40 | maquis | it also says that if it's not provided, it'll look in fstab |
| 05:51.47 | maquis | dna3e8: does that help at all for explaining it? |
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| 05:52.32 | dna3e8 | Not to argue but I did not realize that the you had to mount it some place (yes that help very much, ps I log these conversation so I can go back to them |
| 05:53.10 | maquis | dna3e8: ok... |
| 05:53.25 | maquis | so, if you didn't need to mount it someplace, how would you access it? |
| 05:53.51 | dna3e8 | "you double click on the icon".... |
| 05:53.53 | maquis | (just helping you see how to think through these things, so you can get a better idea of how to work with this) |
| 05:54.10 | dna3e8 | yes and it is helping very much :D |
| 05:54.10 | maquis | but if you didn't tell it where to go, where would the icon appear? |
| 05:54.44 | maquis | dna3e8: why are you trying to do so many distros at once, out of curiosity? |
| 05:54.47 | dna3e8 | I just take it for granted, I haven't thought about what happens.. |
| 05:55.10 | maquis | dna3e8: thinking about why things work will help a ton in figuring all this out... :) |
| 05:55.55 | dna3e8 | 1) to become familiar with the over all concepts 2) to figure out what distro I like |
| 05:56.03 | maquis | dna3e8: my suggestion for starting out would be to stick with one distro until you *really* know it well enough that you can understand information on google and such |
| 05:56.18 | maquis | trying to figure out all the distros is just going to make it harder |
| 05:56.25 | maquis | particularly when you're throwing freebsd into the mix |
| 05:56.56 | findlay | maquis: get him started on LFS (-: |
| 05:57.02 | dna3e8 | (Yeah that may sit on the back burnner for a while..) |
| 05:57.23 | nick125_ | LFS..mmmm |
| 05:57.32 | dna3e8 | LFS HAH Ya right!! |
| 05:57.44 | dna3e8 | I hear gentoo is close to that |
| 05:57.46 | nick125_ | I tried to do that stuff before..I got bored before I got all the tarballs downloaded |
| 05:57.47 | maquis | i'd also suggest trying to learn how to do things without always using the GUI. Sure, the GUI is useful -- it's a useful tool for doing a lot of things -- but if you learn how to do things without it, you'll be ahead and you'll understand a ton of these details that you haven't figured out yet |
| 05:58.51 | dna3e8 | when the system is stable it will be headless (since I am borrowing my roommates monitor) |
| 05:59.06 | dna3e8 | yeah for SAH |
| 05:59.06 | maquis | dna3e8: if you try to pick up too many distros at once, you're probably going to get more confused than you will with just one |
| 05:59.08 | dna3e8 | SSH |
| 05:59.31 | findlay | yeah, you'll turn into someone like me, scary |
| 05:59.32 | nick125_ | though, most distros like debian, ubuntu, etc, are all the same thing anyways.. |
| 06:00.05 | maquis | (i wouldn't necessarily go completely headless right away, unless you have learned an editor, and know how to use manpages and the basic shell commands |
| 06:00.23 | findlay | nick125_: how many servers? |
| 06:00.36 | maquis | it's going to take time to learn how to do everythin |
| 06:00.37 | maquis | g |
| 06:00.58 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.02 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: did you go somewhere? |
| 06:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 06:01.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Washington DC |
| 06:01.13 | nick125 | findlay: well, I got my xen servers at home here (1 server with 3 gentoo installs on it), then, my company server (thats 1 gentoo box with 2 other gentoo vms on it) |
| 06:01.40 | nick125 | I usually forget to emerge --sync on the company server though.. |
| 06:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh dead |
| 06:02.06 | ScytheBlade1 | *dear |
| 06:02.15 | ScytheBlade1 | >200 new e-mails |
| 06:02.19 | nick125 | lol |
| 06:02.25 | maquis | dna3e8: i know that this problem you're currently having is due to having a bunch of distros all on one machine. I've never worked with that setup, but it appears that it's a good bit more difficult than just working with one distro at a time |
| 06:02.26 | dna3e8 | ha ha |
| 06:02.40 | ScytheBlade1 | 770 new in the RSS, yay |
| 06:03.35 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: you've got an rss problem (: |
| 06:03.41 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, indeed :) |
| 06:04.14 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: want to buy my book: _8 Steps to RSS Free_? |
| 06:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ~seen mheath |
| 06:04.21 | ibot | mheath is currently on #utah (1d 11h 31m 51s). Has said a total of 47 messages. Is idling for 43m 40s, last said: 'and its frustrating that I have no control over anything =\'. |
| 06:04.55 | ScytheBlade1 | findlay, it takes 8 steps? |
| 06:05.03 | findlay | yeah |
| 06:05.40 | nick125 | step 1: emerge -C all of your RSS readers :p |
| 06:06.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:06.36 | nick125 | step 2: associate RSS with "really strange something" |
| 06:06.50 | dna3e8 | lol |
| 06:07.49 | nick125 | step 3: downgrade firefox to a pre-rss version.. |
| 06:10.50 | nick125 | step 4: go though electroshock therpy |
| 06:11.59 | nick125 | step 5: keep a 9volt battery at your desk, and, every time you think about RSS or anything like it, put the battery to your tounge for 10 seconds |
| 06:13.40 | nick125 | step 6: do not keep a blog, or look at blogs. these might increase the amount of thoughs for RSS |
| 06:14.36 | nick125 | step 7: you are almost cured! join support groups to help |
| 06:14.43 | nick125 | step 8: enjoy your RSS-free live |
| 06:14.44 | nick125 | there! |
| 06:18.22 | findlay | let's see how they feel about Mahler ... |
| 06:22.50 | dna3e8 | maquis: the 'short' names for vmlinz does not work in grub... |
| 06:23.59 | maquis | dna3e8: you sure? i don't know... i've never used it, but... |
| 06:25.56 | maquis | dna3e8: just means you need to figure out where root is... my guess is that you might be getting confused with how grub sees partitions |
| 06:26.21 | maquis | hda1 is seen by grub as (hd0,0), which sometimes confuses people |
| 06:26.34 | dna3e8 | I almost know I am confused |
| 06:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | wow |
| 06:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/68115/ShowPost.aspx |
| 06:33.48 | maquis | "welcome to my website. do you want to own it?" |
| 06:35.30 | findlay | http://127.0.0.1/ |
| 06:36.00 | findlay | that's my website |
| 06:36.19 | nick125 | thats a pretty awesome site.. |
| 06:37.22 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, pretty much... I mean, that is SO exploitable on so many levels |
| 06:38.12 | nick125 | that code jsut screams SQL injection |
| 06:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It screams more than that |
| 06:39.15 | nick125 | well, thats one of the things its screaming |
| 06:39.22 | nick125 | remote code execution, etc |
| 06:39.40 | nick125 | you could easely own that.. |
| 06:40.01 | nick125 | just run glob and unlink.. |
| 06:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | or grab a copy of the database files |
| 06:40.34 | ScytheBlade1 | etc. etc. etc. |
| 06:41.15 | nick125 | name anything php can do to a system (thats malicious, and things other then installing it, etc). you can do it with that script |
| 06:41.49 | nick125 | maquis: yeah.. |
| 06:41.58 | nick125 | but, with code like that, it probably is.. |
| 06:42.04 | maquis | that's what i was about to say |
| 06:42.23 | nick125 | I wonder what their escapeSql() function does.. |
| 06:42.58 | maquis | nick125: well... if you don't attempt to do anything bad, it'll prevent you from doing anything bad |
| 06:44.04 | nick125 | When I do web application development, I usually run anything though a function that will check and see if all the characters are in the alphanumeric character set.. |
| 06:44.41 | nick125 | I mean, if they can't get characters such as ;, ), \, etc in there, it will be hard to do an sql injection |
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| 07:22.34 | maquis | happy easter everyone |
| 07:28.31 | findlay | oh, sure |
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| 07:53.44 | tensai | ~lart findlay |
| 07:53.48 | tensai | ~lart maquis |
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| 08:03.17 | tensai | ~rlart |
| 08:03.44 | tensai | silly power outages. they're not good for anyone. |
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| 15:57.40 | bertbob | happy first sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox |
| 16:14.49 | mheath | * ScytheBlade1 pokes mheath and mentions something about getting the changing of the guard at arlington on video |
| 16:14.51 | mheath | Why? |
| 16:15.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I thought you'd be interested |
| 16:17.18 | mheath | I'm not. |
| 16:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough. |
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| 16:35.15 | vontrapp | anyone know where i can get linux compatible videos of the tbs lotr promos? |
| 16:35.23 | vontrapp | specifically "white horse" |
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| 16:39.06 | linuxalien | dunno |
| 16:50.52 | mheath | vontrapp, if you find them, let me know, please. |
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| 19:02.00 | TacoJockey | Happy Easter fellow bunnies |
| 19:04.18 | maquis | happy easter everyone |
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| 19:15.31 | maquis | erm... stupid cooking question |
| 19:15.37 | maquis | how do you know when hard-boiled eggs are done? |
| 19:26.27 | tensai | maquis: cook them the right way. there's no way to test them, afaik |
| 19:31.15 | TheDiff | cant you poke a hole in them |
| 19:31.17 | TheDiff | with a needle |
| 19:36.54 | maquis | mmm |
| 19:42.14 | TheDiff | delicious? |
| 19:42.35 | maquis | TheDiff: yup |
| 19:42.46 | TheDiff | now i want one |
| 19:43.41 | maquis | TheDiff: sorry... all gone |
| 19:54.28 | tensai | o/~ It's good to see the world in pain when I take a walk outside ~/o |
| 19:56.41 | TheDiff | well i'm making my own |
| 19:56.43 | TheDiff | so :p |
| 19:58.07 | maquis | tensai: interesting easter song |
| 19:58.17 | maquis | TheDiff: enjoy :) |
| 20:30.14 | tensai | whew |
| 20:51.49 | goozbach | ummmm easster sunday dinner |
| 20:52.32 | harleypig | Does anyone k now of interactive voice training software (commercial or oss)? |
| 20:53.05 | harleypig | My mother is saying she rmeembers hearing about a software package that will tell you to speak a word and it tells you how you did, as far as inflection and what not. |
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| 20:56.25 | goozbach | yeah...umm I dont remember the name |
| 20:57.00 | goozbach | it's the ne with th ad in PC mags with the hot blnde chick |
| 20:57.04 | goozbach | :) |
| 21:00.17 | harleypig | :] Haven't seen any of those ads |
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| 22:07.20 | QBFreak | hmm, I open the mouse section of Control Center and there's a tab for my mouse, but it says it can't talk to the mouse most likely due to permission problems |
| 22:07.37 | QBFreak | I noticed that I also can't get my palm to sync, it is also USB |
| 22:07.49 | QBFreak | any suggestions on how to check permissions on USB? |
| 22:18.50 | QBFreak | I'd settle for some good instructions on mapping mouse buttons (I assume with Xorg) |
| 22:26.20 | elg | -lart vontrapp |
| 22:35.33 | QBFreak | well, I got the buttons I want to have their own numbers, not sure what to do from here, the directions I found using xbindkeys don't appear to be working |
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| 23:15.30 | nick125_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.33 | nick125_lappy | AttributeError: 'SORelatedJoin' object has no attribute 'otherClass' |
| 23:15.35 | nick125_lappy | :(I |
| 23:47.30 | elg | if i've ever seen a worse website than the gatos one, I don't know what it is |
| 23:48.21 | nick125_lappy | lol |