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00:09.47linuxalienatoponce, probably already announced this but there's an OALUG meeting at 7:30pm today in room 111 at the Davis Campus.
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00:27.55Hhhhhhaha
00:35.12amcnabbow
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00:56.10bertbobI always get so nervous when apt is messing with something huge like xorg 6.9 --> 7
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01:35.20maquis-lart SpecialZ
01:35.40maquisfindlay: after the apartment guy comes to set up your static ip, let us know how it goes :)
01:36.52elg-lart maquis
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01:59.37griffeymacHi folks.
02:02.36griffeymacHmmm.
02:02.42maquisgriffeymac: hi
02:02.53griffeymacGood evening.
02:03.02griffeymacHow's things in Utah?
02:04.27griffeymacI'm trying to pester someone named "emcnabb" but apparently I have to register or something. ;)
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02:04.28maquisbusy....  
02:04.42maquisgriffeymac: i'll see what i can do
02:04.43elg~seen dilvie
02:04.53ibotdilvie <n=dilvie@c-67-161-255-229.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 1h 38m 7s ago, saying: 'what is the utah os planet?'.
02:05.15griffeymacWell, thanks, maquis.
02:05.22maquisgriffeymac: i just left him a message to tell him you're looking for him :)
02:05.31griffeymacThanks again!
02:05.42maquisgriffeymac: where are you?  are you the one that came in here a while back and is in boston and was going to go to linuxworld?
02:05.44griffeymacNot that big of a deal--I'll see him tomorrow.
02:05.51griffeymacHeh--no.
02:05.53maquisok
02:06.00maquisare you in his class this week, then?
02:06.00griffeymacI'm in Lombard, Illinois.
02:06.05griffeymacYou betcha.
02:06.09maquiscool
02:06.18griffeymacI'm an OS X geek who is a bit rusty with my IRC.
02:06.52maquisrhce?
02:07.05griffeymacNo, the "little one"--RHCT.
02:07.09maquisah...
02:07.17maquisthat shouldn't be *too* bad, i hope...  
02:07.25griffeymacWell, one would think. ;)
02:07.29linuxalienThe LUg meeting is on
02:07.39maquislinuxalien: which LUG?
02:07.43griffeymacWe're only done with day two and I've already had all sorts of blanks filled in.
02:07.44linuxalienOALUG
02:07.58maquislinuxalien: ah... that's a long ways away
02:08.08maquisgriffeymac: just things you hadn't understood?
02:08.36griffeymacmaquis: lots of knowing to "do this" to fix something, but never exactly understanding why.
02:08.37linuxalienBummer
02:08.47maquisgriffeymac: ah... that's cool
02:09.06griffeymacAnd always apprehensively typing away and hoping that I don't hose *everything* in the process.
02:09.15maquis:)
02:09.21griffeymac:)
02:09.22maquis"type, hit enter, think" :)
02:09.28griffeymacUh...
02:09.44griffeymac"type, hit enter, wish you would have backed up that configuration file first, then just hope it works..."
02:10.04griffeymacAnd what was that line that I deleted instead of commenting out?
02:10.27maquislol
02:10.31griffeymacmaquis: Are you in Utah?
02:10.35maquisgriffeymac: yup
02:10.44griffeymac(I mean, I assume you know emcnabb?)
02:10.51maquisyeah
02:10.54maquisemcnabb's way cool :)
02:10.59griffeymacOh, cool.
02:11.09griffeymacI think he's a pretty sharp dude as well.
02:11.29griffeymacI mean, as long as he doesn't think I'm stalking him or anything.
02:11.33maquishe's taught me a bunch of cool things
02:11.40maquisgriffeymac: nah...  he won't :)
02:11.52griffeymacToday he taught us: rm -rf *
02:12.04maquiswow... why?
02:12.05griffeymacI wasn't sure it worked on my machine like it should, though.
02:12.19maquisgriffeymac: what'd it do?
02:12.22griffeymac(I'm kidding...  I do actually know *some* things...)
02:12.29maquisah
02:12.41griffeymac:D
02:12.53maquisi can imagine that it's a useful command for *something*, but i've never quite figured out what it's useful for :)
02:13.06griffeymac(I trust you're being funny?)
02:13.33maquiswell...  i'm semi-serious about not understanding when you would actually *want* to use it...
02:13.34griffeymac:)
02:13.47griffeymacUh, don't *ever* do that. :D
02:13.49maquis:)
02:14.05maquisrm -rf .* is pretty bad too, from rumors i've heard...
02:14.06amcnabbmaquis, I do rm -rf * at least once a week.
02:14.17maquisamcnabb: for what?  
02:14.23amcnabbWhat do you think?
02:14.26amcnabbTo delete stuff.
02:14.31maquisi suppose i'm just too scared to actually do that
02:14.38maquisi'd rather give it the folder name that i want to remove
02:14.47amcnabbAnd rm -rf .* is fine if you use zsh.
02:14.50maquisbecause i'm scared i'll be wrong about what directory i'm in
02:14.53maquisamcnabb: yeah...  i know that
02:14.54griffeymacDang it.
02:15.03griffeymacDid I make my "joke" wrong?
02:15.05maquisbut most people still use bash
02:15.18griffeymacShould my smart-alec comment have been "rm -rf /" ?
02:15.22maquisgriffeymac: yeah
02:15.48griffeymacDang it.
02:15.49maquis:)
02:16.53griffeymacI must learn further before I make Unix jokes.  Oh well.
02:17.19maquislol
02:21.15griffeymacOkay, well thanks for trying to track down emcnabb--I don't have anything urgent, of course.
02:21.26griffeymacI just thought I'd see if he was around and pester him.
02:21.33maquisgriffeymac: np
02:21.35griffeymacI'm going to head down to the hotel lounge for a soda.
02:21.39maquis:)
02:21.40maquishave fun
02:21.46griffeymacI guess I'll see him tomorrow. :)
02:21.51maquisok
02:21.52maquislater
02:22.02griffeymacAnd I promise next time I'll have my erasing-entire-filesystem joke down correctly.
02:22.03griffeymac:)
02:22.07maquis:)
02:31.02emcnabbhello griffeymac
02:31.04emcnabbhow's it going?
02:47.19mheathrm -rf / wouldn't do a thing on my system, either =)
02:49.54mheathYou know, I think I'll go out on a run.
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02:55.42emcnabb~lart elg
02:55.44jsmithelg: Ouch!
02:55.57jsmith-lartback elg
02:56.01elgjsmith: what do you think, cross-limiter (music goes quieter when dj talks) or stereo positioning effect for my dsp final project?
02:56.04maquis-lart emcnabb
02:56.07emcnabb-lart elg
02:56.12emcnabb-lart maquis
02:56.14elg-lart emcnabb
02:56.24elgooh, maquis is doomed
02:56.31maquishmmm
02:56.36maquisi don't even know how doomed i am...
02:56.36jsmithelg: Neither... do the opposite of stereo positioning -- use different mics in the room and try to pic out the speakers' locations.
02:56.44maquiswhich probably makes me pretty doomed
02:56.52emcnabbmaquis: if you need any help, ask sjansen; that's what he did for work for several years
02:57.01maquisah...
02:57.05elgjsmith: that could be cool, but the interaction with the PC is limited
02:57.09maquisi'll keep that in mind...
02:57.10elgso I can't like make a cool graph or something
02:57.30jsmithelg: I see...
02:57.49jsmithelg: Actually, I have a really cool idea for a DSP project, but I'd have to dig out the magazine article.
02:58.12jsmithelg: Kind of tips the Nyquist theorem on its ear
02:58.18elgoh yeah?
03:00.11elgi've got to submit this proposal tomorrow
03:00.38jsmithDoh...
03:00.43jsmithI'm on the road... :-(
03:00.50elgoh well
03:00.59elgdo you remember anything else about it?
03:01.11jsmithBasically, the idea is that you sample and two different frequencies, and are then able to get higher resolution than the Nyquist theorem would suggest.
03:02.04elginteresting
03:04.41jsmithYeah, I thought so.
03:04.52jsmithNever got the chance to code it though...
03:05.03leviMmm, banana split from Sonic.
03:05.13jsmithBut somewhere I still have the magazine article that explained how to do it
03:05.18leviJust got back from visiting my friend and his wife and their new baby in the hospital.
03:07.40maquislevi: fun!  boy or girl?
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03:12.42levimaquis: girl
03:13.06maquislevi: cute... what's her name?
03:13.13levimaquis: Cora Monet
03:13.33maquismonet pronounced like the painter?
03:13.45leviYup.
03:14.06maquisfun
03:14.44mheathHOOOOOOOOORAH
03:14.49mheathJust gave myself a phyiscal test
03:14.59mheathequal to the IST I'll have to pass in a few weeks
03:15.04maquisIST?
03:15.17mheathInitial Strength Test. A basic physical test you have to pass to go to USMC boot
03:15.23mheathI passed
03:15.29maquisthat's good
03:15.34mheath1.5 miles in 13 minutes, partially uphill
03:15.46maquisthat's pretty good
03:16.01mheath2 pullups (I know that sounds weak, but I've never done a pullup in my life before I started working out this year)
03:16.31mheath44 crunches (piece of cake - I do 75 inclined full situps every day in my conditioning class)
03:17.01mheathmaquis, I actually couldn't do one. And it took some time on the pullup machine (not sure if thats the technical name)
03:17.18mheathMachine that you pull a bar attached to weights down rather than pulling yourself up
03:17.28mheathI worked myself up to my bodyweigh to tha
03:17.41mheaths/bodyweigh to tha/body weight on that/g
03:17.42maquissounds like something i should try... since i'd kinda like to be able to do a pullup at some point...
03:17.56mheathOr you can just do negatives
03:18.10maquismheath: negatives?
03:18.22mheathGrab a stool so you can get your chin up above the bar
03:18.32maquisthen let yourself down slowly?
03:18.39mheaththen pull your legs / push the stool away, and let yourself down as slowly as possible
03:20.21findlayno, then you just let go
03:20.27findlayand see what happens
03:20.36findlayyou might fly
03:20.39findlayyou never know
03:21.09mheathMy every-other-day routine: 3 sets of 10 power shrugs, 3 sets of 10 clean and jerks, 3 sets of 10 front squats
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03:21.19mheath3 sets of 5 back presses
03:22.00mheatha thing my instructor calls "hanging abs" - hang on to a bar and pull your lower body up, like a reverse situp
03:22.12mheatha glute + hams workout
03:22.12linuxalienThe LUG meeting is wrapping up.
03:22.54mheath2 sets of 10 on the pullup machine, 75 inclined situps
03:22.57mheathlinuxalien, how was it?
03:23.54linuxalienIt was good.  There was a presentation on uptables
03:38.15mheathhahahahaha
03:38.30mheathhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/0029231&from=rss
03:38.51mheathOooh, a sci-fi weapon that can shoot down missiles with laser!
03:38.56mheathSounds so futuristic! ooooh
03:38.58mheathBut wait
03:39.11mheathMy dad worked on the electronics for an almost identical system in the 1970's!
03:39.35mheathTheres your tax dollars at work - breathing new life into a technology abandoned 30 years ago because it produced no viable results
03:45.30griffeymacemcnabb: Are you still here?
03:45.34emcnabbyeah
03:45.37griffeymacWhoa.
03:45.40griffeymacThat was fast.
03:45.41emcnabb:)
03:45.41QBFreakno he's not
03:45.44QBFreakits an illusion
03:45.50emcnabb~lart QBFreak
03:45.52griffeymacJust wanted to say "hi" earlier.
03:45.57emcnabbcool
03:46.00QBFreakhey, I use that sometimes
03:46.03emcnabbI was off reading something
03:46.13emcnabbI'm usually closer to the computer :-)
03:46.29griffeymacHow was, er, what's the computer Home Depot place?
03:46.33emcnabbibot really is violent
03:46.34ibot...but really is already something else...
03:46.40emcnabbFry's :-)
03:46.48maquishaha
03:46.59maquisibot: you are violent
03:47.00ibotI think you lost me on that one, maquis
03:47.10emcnabbit was fun; I just read some stuff in the book section
03:47.25griffeymacibot: are you made of Perl?
03:47.35maquis~ibot
03:47.36ibotextra, extra, read all about it, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported.
03:47.40griffeymac(I'm probably not allowed to ask...)
03:48.05maquisgriffeymac: just have to figure out how to ask :)
03:48.07griffeymac:)
03:48.19griffeymacI've been off IRC for some time.
03:48.29maquis-brc
03:48.30maquiser
03:48.32maquis-brac
03:48.35griffeymacI was on a channel with some mac/unix folks for a while and it grew tiring.
03:48.43QBFreakbrac: introduce yourself
03:48.43bracI'm a v. 0.9.9 rubybot, (c) Tom Gilbert - http://linuxbrit.co.uk/rbot/
03:49.05maquis-roulette
03:49.06bracmaquis: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+
03:49.09griffeymac(The "head dude" was mean)
03:49.18maquisgriffeymac: ah... that always sucks
03:49.31griffeymacYou folks seem nice enough. :)
03:49.38maquisthe ops here are generally pretty nice....
03:49.39emcnabbmost of the time
03:49.41emcnabb~lart griffeymac
03:49.49maquis-lart griffeymac
03:49.58griffeymacMaybe I'll stick around after this whole class business.
03:50.00mheathew, roulette
03:50.06mheatherm
03:50.10tensaimeh, the ops here are lazy dimwits
03:50.10mheathew, ruby =P
03:50.17maquis<PROTECTED>
03:50.23mheathThats what happens when I read too many r words in quick succession
03:50.32griffeymacWell, at my last IRC experience, everyone seemed to be an op but me.
03:50.37mheathI find it troubling that, for a brief moment, I confused the words roulette and ruby =P
03:50.52griffeymacAnd by golly, they sure knew more about EVERYTHING than, well, anyone else did.
03:51.14maquisgriffeymac: don't know if this is more or less comforting... but the only ops who are currently in character are bots...
03:51.44griffeymac:)
03:51.47tensaiibot: hello polly parrot!
03:51.51findlaygriffeymac: reminds me of certain debian users.  If you're having trouble and you even RTfineM and you ask, it's YOUR FAULT!!@!
03:52.17emcnabbit's a good thing I'm not an op
03:52.31maquisgriffeymac: you're always welcome to join us here... we have a couple of non-utahns who hang out on occasion
03:52.32findlay~op emcnabb
03:52.39mheathHey, findlay. Not all debian users are like that =\
03:52.40griffeymacThese people, and I don't mean to belabor this point, were over the top on MANY issues.
03:52.41mheathLinux revolution 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Sat Mar 11 16:13:17 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
03:52.46tensaimaquis: what? who?!? let's get rid of those rats
03:52.47mheathhmm.
03:52.53mheathAh
03:53.03findlaymheath: that's why I said *certain*
03:53.03mheath[OS] Debian testing/unstable (2.6.12-10-386) :: [Uptime] 8 days,  1:59 :: [CPU] 1-Pentium III (Katmai) @ 451MHz (512 KB/14% load) :: [Memory] 126M Used, 187M Total (32% Free) :: [Video] Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G200 AGP (1024x768/16 Bit/85Hz) :: [Disk] 2.67G Used, 16.38G Total (84% Free) :: [Network] 3Com 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (eth0: 567.08M In, 46.93M Out)
03:53.06maquiswe're a bit more conservative than most channels (swearing, etc aren't welcome here), but we think we're pretty friendly
03:53.17mheathThis isn't really Debian, though =\. It's pretend Debian.
03:53.31findlayyeah, we kicked swearing a while back and after a while he decided not to come back
03:53.51maquis~buckybot findlay
03:53.52ibotfindlay: you're a stupid idiot, and I can tell you that all I want, but if you say anything mean to me, I'll start crying and insulting everything I can, because you're discriminating against me!
03:53.52griffeymacI wish I were more subtle with my username or something--I was going to ask emcnabb to guess which one of the five I was. But duh.  
03:53.53findlay~friendly
03:53.54ibotthe #debian-friendly channel is a place where you won't get flamed for being clueless
03:53.55roscivsetc keeps trying to come back with different nicks
03:54.09findlayibot: cool (:
03:54.12ibotthere, there, everything is going to fix out (:.
03:54.30findlayibot: you're weird
03:54.31maquisroscivs: good point
03:54.31maquis:)
03:54.42maquisibot: whimper
03:54.44ibotACTION huddles in the corner, whimpering softly.
03:54.58emcnabbwell all, I'm tired; time to sleep
03:55.08findlay~sleep
03:55.09ibotit has been said that sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine.
03:55.20emcnabb~whaleslap findlay
03:55.22ibotACTION beats findlay upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
03:55.22maquis~sleep emcnabb
03:55.23ibotACTION sends emcnabb to bed without supper
03:55.44griffeymacI suppose then if I stay up forever and chat that I won't have an excuse for not understanding anything tomorrow.
03:55.44emcnabbsee you tomorrow griffeymac
03:55.48emcnabbhaha
03:55.53maquislol
03:56.14griffeymacGood night, herr Maroon.
03:56.33emcnabbgo Maroons go
03:56.40maquismaroons?
03:56.50emcnabbhigh school mascot
03:56.50mheathmaquis, a color?
03:56.53mheathah
03:56.53maquisah
03:56.57emcnabbwe're from the same area
03:57.01maquismy school was maroon and gold
03:57.05mheathI'm a 'laker'.
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03:57.07griffeymacActually, I'm from around here. :)
03:57.08mheathBlue and Gold!
03:57.09maquiswe were the lions...
03:57.16mheathI still haven't figured out what a 'laker' is
03:57.34mheathSeeing as how there were no known people around here when Lake Bonneville was here
03:57.39griffeymacOkay, prof mcnabb--you go to sleep and I'll get to "studying" my RHEL.
03:57.59mheathEwww, RHEL.
03:58.14maquis~hug fbsd
03:58.16ibotACTION hugs fbsd
03:58.25mheathI was watching 'jurassic park' earlier
03:58.31mheath"You're such a computer nerd, Lex."
03:58.36mheath"I prefer the term hacker!"
03:58.49mheathSad thing is, that reminds me of me a few years ago =\
03:59.06emcnabbhttp://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html
03:59.15mheathOther memorable bits: "This is a UNIX system! I know this!"
03:59.29mheath(Its an Apple Mac OS desktop with "UNIX" written poorly on the desktop wallpaper)
03:59.30griffeymacHuh.
03:59.38QBFreakheh
03:59.44griffeymacMy kids run around and instead say "Santa? I know him! I know him!"
03:59.57maquismheath: i'll have to watch that again... :)
04:00.09emcnabbI'm pretty sure it was an Irix box
04:00.25griffeymacDrat, I wonder if it 11:00 is too late to call the wife and send her to check on that Mac in the garage....
04:00.26roscivsit had one of those 3d filesystem things
04:00.28roscivsold school
04:00.43emcnabb~url
04:00.44iboti heard url is (Universal Resource Locator) This is what is used to give Web addresses for HTML, VRML, WAV and other files. It simply contains the Internet name of the machine containing the data and the path to the file. Much like the UNC, except specifically for the Internet. The address also includes what protocol should be used.
04:00.57maquis-urls
04:00.57brac[2006/04/11 21:59:07] <emcnabb> http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html
04:00.57brac[2006/04/11 21:38:32] <mheath> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/0029231&from=rss
04:00.57brac[2006/04/11 15:58:42] <dataw0lf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cube_(movie)
04:00.57brac[2006/04/11 15:33:25] <goozbach> http://www.hotdogonastick.com/frames.html
04:01.03mheathI'm kind of surprised that movie doesn't follow the book more closely
04:01.04emcnabbthe link I just posted was the file browser they used in the movie
04:01.33mheathemcnabb, you can catch an apple logo here and there
04:01.41mheathAnd the GUI is Mac
04:01.46mheathTop bar on the screen and such
04:01.51QBFreakcube? was that that awefull movie about people trapped in a giant cube thing
04:01.53mheathI could be mistaken, but it looked like a Mac to me
04:01.55roscivsmheath: are you sure?
04:01.59tensaimaquis: did you see sxsw 2006 has 3GB of mp3s?
04:02.11roscivsi remember reading somewhere what it was exactly ...
04:02.15roscivsi'm sure google will tell us ...
04:02.16maquistensai: no... didn't see that...
04:02.19emcnabbthat's IRIX
04:02.58maquistensai: thanks for the note... :)
04:03.06emcnabbhttp://www.slipups.com/items/2786.html
04:03.10emcnabbsee the second comment
04:03.18roscivsheh, i found that exact same link
04:03.19roscivshehe
04:03.21emcnabbthere were some macs, Sun pizza boxes, etc
04:03.39emcnabbbut the machine they were using was a SGI system
04:04.01roscivshttp://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html
04:04.02tensaihttp://2006.sxsw.com/toolbox/schedules/ipod/
04:04.03brac[south by southwest festivals + conferences]
04:04.13roscivshere's the software "As seen in Jurassic Park!"
04:04.31tensaiI ended up deleting maybe 30-40% of the ones from 2005, but I found some really good stuff
04:05.04maquistensai: i never made it through the 2005 ones :)
04:05.27tensaifind the one from eli young band. really good. "when it rains"
04:05.39emcnabbask amcnabb sometime about Irix security :-)
04:06.18findlayibot: what about irix security?
04:06.36findlaydarn, I read amcnabb as somebody
04:06.55findlaymy brain must be shutting down
04:07.20tensai~reboot findlay's brain
04:07.21ibotACTION pushes findlay's brain's reset button
04:07.34findlay<beep>
04:07.38tensaiuh, oh. kernel panic.
04:07.40griffeymacGood night, folks.  Thanks for the "chat."
04:07.46maquisgnight
04:07.47findlaylater
04:08.17griffeymacexit
04:08.22griffeymacOOps.
04:08.44mheaththat being said, I found the interface that Crichton introduces in the book to be far more interesting than the one in the movie
04:09.09mheathKinda a tabled curses display of menu items
04:09.20tensaimaquis: found it yet?
04:09.30maquistensai: found what?
04:09.46maquis[anubis erins] updatedb
04:09.46maquiszsh: no such file or directory: /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb
04:09.48tensaieli young band, when it rains. pay attention.
04:10.01maquisoh... from 2005?
04:10.08tensaiyes
04:11.54mheathI found it odd when I found out that Crichton helped write the screenplay to Jurassic Park though
04:11.55maquisit'll be a bit...
04:12.01mheathThe ending is strikingly different
04:12.09mheathas are some key personality traits of the characters
04:12.19tensai<PROTECTED>
04:12.20mheathThough earlier, some dialogue is copied word-from-word from the book
04:12.46maquistensai: that should make it quite a bit faster... thanks :)
04:13.13tensaiI dunno, with my network it might be longer ;)
04:13.24maquistensai: looks to be going faster
04:13.39roscivsanyone know anything about wireless bridges?
04:13.48maquisi only had the tarballs, and they were on an external hard drive
04:14.00amcnabbWhat's up with IRIX?
04:14.30roscivsi want a device that will connect to an access point and give me a wired ethernet connection
04:14.38roscivsi think that's a wireless bridge, but i'm not sure
04:14.40tensaiah. I don't know if I'll have enough disk space for these new files.
04:14.46amcnabbsorry, I'm scrolling back through the history since I haven't been paying attention.
04:15.14amcnabbmheath, in Jurassic Park, it's definitely an IRIX box.  I used to own the exact monitor they had.
04:18.50maquistensai: that is a pretty good one :)
04:18.53maquisi like it
04:19.22mheathin the acknowledgements for the Jurrassic Park *book*, he says the GUI graphics in the book were inspired by the work of Bobb Gross
04:19.54tensai~wiki bobb gross
04:20.14mheathBut, I can't find any Bob Gross' who had anything to do with computer GUIs back then
04:20.31mheathand NO references to Bob Gross AND Jurassic Park, other than ebooks of Jurassic Park
04:21.18tensaiwell is it bobb or bob?
04:23.15mheathbob.
04:23.43roscivshow many bobbs are there in the world? heh
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04:30.02findlaythere's like 26
04:30.22roscivsHm. Maybe "Wireless Game Adapter" is really what I want.
04:31.05jsmithroscivs: They're both wireless bridges.
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04:31.33roscivsjsmith: it seems like most things that come up when I look for bridges are really first and foremost APs,
04:31.39roscivswith "bridge mode" seemingly tacked on
04:31.44roscivsbut not what people primarily use it for.
04:32.01jsmithNo, I'd go with a standalone bridge that's not an access point.
04:32.09jsmithI've got a Netgear one I use from time to time.
04:32.15roscivswhere can you get those sorts of things?
04:32.40jsmithJust about anywhere that stocks wireless gear.
04:32.44jsmithOr online, of course.
04:32.55roscivshm. when I search for example newegg for "wireless bridge" i get a bunch of APs
04:32.58roscivssame with froogle
04:33.12roscivssearching for game adapter comes up with lots of good hits though.
04:34.16jsmithhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833150013
04:34.17brac[NETGEAR WGE111 Ethernet Port Wireless Adapter - Retail at Newegg.com]
04:34.34jsmithThere's a netgear one
04:34.49roscivshm! fascinating ...
04:34.54roscivsit's not in their wireless bridge section
04:35.15roscivsdid you find it by searching for "bridge" or just by browsing?
04:35.34roscivsit doesn't have the word "bridge" on it anywhere (except in reviews)
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04:37.22roscivsso does your netgear one work pretty well?
04:37.24jsmithroscivs: Here's a DLink one as well
04:37.27jsmithhttp://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=333
04:37.28brac[Wireless Gaming Adapter - DWL-G820 Wireless Gaming Adapter by D-Link]
04:37.31jsmithYeah, it works OK...
04:37.38mrpull-xhas anybody ever used pfSense?  esp for HA?
04:38.08jsmithTalk to lars-ut tomorrow -- he may have...
04:38.50roscivsfunny, that same netgear one you sent me at newegg
04:38.58roscivsis listed as a "wireless game adapter" at zipzoomfly
04:42.32elgsomeone tell me if dilvie pops in
04:43.05maquiselg: couldn't you have ibot tell you in an onjoin?
04:43.22elgi can't ever figure out the onjoin thing
04:43.26mheath~onjoin delvie elg: delvie is here
04:43.26ibotok, mheath
04:43.50QBFreakexcept you meant dilvie
04:43.51maquis~onjoin dilvie elg: dilvie is here
04:43.51ibotmaquis: ok
04:46.21mheathHmm
04:46.35mheathI'm thinking about taking my Linux box in to show off to guys in my Comp Programming class
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04:46.44mheathTry to get them interested
04:47.01mheathanyone have some suggestions on programs I could demonstrate?
04:47.06mheathInternetless unfortunately
04:47.43maquismheath: xgl
04:47.49maquisbzflag
04:48.00mrpull-xmheath: ^migs^ works at your school?
04:48.14maquisand some nice, fast command-prompt action (something that would take a long time to do from a gui)
04:48.29mheathmrpull-, works for my school district. Designs our websites (and does a good job)
04:48.41mheathmaquis, Its a 450mhz without acceleration. bzflag wouldn't play nice
04:48.47maquismheath: ok...
04:48.49mheathBesides, half these guys spend their time playing WoW
04:48.55maquisi'm still voting for some fast command-prompt action
04:48.59mheathBzflag isn't going to blow them away
04:49.18mheathOh, by the way...
04:49.27mheathdoes anyone know any nice themes for GNUStep or WindowMaker?
04:49.35decriptorwhat type of people are the audience?
04:50.05mheathdecriptor, computer literate but inexperienced highschoolers. In a computer programming class (java)
04:50.16decriptorah
04:50.29mrpull-xmheath: show them firefox and other stuff they may already know so they dont think that it is some oddball tech that they'll never be able to grasp
04:50.29decriptorcompile the kernel :)
04:50.58mheathmrpull-, I was thinking of running some games
04:51.04mheathIf I can get acceleration working
04:51.28mheathThis card has vendor-supported acceleration in Linux, their last release just clashes with this build of Xorg for Ubuntu
04:51.42mheathThey've released the source, but no docs on compiling it, and no makefiles. Its confusing.
04:52.19mrpull-xmaybe wine and some games they already run in windows?
04:52.25decriptorits not a game, but I really like cscope  and then you can search for the string on fire in the linux kernel source
04:52.41decriptorquake or UT  natively
04:52.47mheathNah
04:53.01mheathIts a 450 Mhz machince with 512MB ram
04:53.06mheathWe're talking half-life 1 here
04:53.21roscivsHehe. This is cracking me up.
04:53.21decriptora really early version of UT
04:53.36mheathMaybe Microsoft Office? :)
04:53.42mrpull-xmheath: do you think you are running a risk of turning them off to linux by demoing on old gear?
04:54.02mrpull-xmheath: they sound like they'll want to see "gee wiz" stuff and not some of the other goodies
04:54.27decriptortoo bad you can't use something like kororaa (sp?)
04:54.35decriptoror sled 10
04:54.41mheathMaybe =\
04:54.59mheathI'm torn between showing them something traditional that they'd be relatively comfortable with (like....Gnome or KDE, something they could figure out)
04:55.13mheathOr something that would be new, weird, and cool....like my window manager, Window Maker
04:55.16roscivs"I want to show off Linux--what should I show people?" "How about some games?" "No, bzflag sucks compared to Windows games, and this is an ancient machine. Plus I can't get hardware acceleration working, because there are no docs on compiling it, and no makefiles. Maybe I'll show them Gnome."
04:55.23mrpull-xperhaps showing them how easily they could install LAMP on old gear on run a blog or family website or something
04:55.27roscivsbuwahaha. it's like that linux flash movie.
04:55.44roscivsswitch to linux! hahaha.
04:55.50mheathroscivs, I didn't say bzflag sucked compared to Windows games. I said these people are used to stuff like World of Warcraft
04:55.59mheathbzflag wouldn't fit well with them right off
04:56.01mrpull-xroscivs: that flash movie is priceless
04:56.13findlaymrpull-x: URL?
04:56.15decriptorwhat flash movie?
04:56.22roscivshttp://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54
04:56.24brac[::uberGeek::Toons::Switch to Linux()]
04:56.25findlayyeah, we want it
04:56.34findlaysweet
04:56.42roscivsGorgeous fembots with a penchant for evil
04:56.52roscivsupdate your rpms
04:56.55roscivspartition your drives ...
04:57.11roscivspricless.
04:57.32roscivsEr, priceless, even.
04:58.07roscivs"Yeah, games are way cooler on Linux. Like, bzflag for instance. I mean, you may have to compile your kernel, tweak a config few files, ... yeah, I probably do that twice a day ..."
04:58.10findlaytoo bad gnash doesn't play it ):
04:58.30findlayroscivs: have you even seen bzflag lately?
04:58.49roscivsIf lately equals six months ago, yeah.
04:58.55roscivsI'll take Quake 3 over bzflag any day.
04:59.02roscivsHeck, I'll take Quake 2 over bzflag any day.
04:59.19findlayTimRiker didn't write quake (:
04:59.27findlaybzflag is good clean fun
04:59.44findlayanyone who says differently is selling something
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05:01.31findlaygah! aliens!!
05:01.44findlay~whimper
05:01.45ibotACTION huddles in the corner, whimpering softly.
05:02.19linuxalienI come in peace!
05:02.37findlay~welcome linuxalien
05:02.38ibotHey, linuxalien! Glad you could join us.
05:03.07linuxalienThanks!
05:03.14linuxalienI just got back from a LUG meeting and washing my car
05:03.44QBFreakoo they wash your car?
05:03.50QBFreakI should go to one
05:04.03linuxalienYeah, except for my windows.
05:04.09maquislol
05:04.13linuxalien:)
05:04.29QBFreakheh
05:04.31roscivsha, good one :)
05:04.39linuxalienThanks
05:04.48linuxalien:P
05:19.43roscivsSo, if your mission was to connect three computers together without wires, and one of them already had a wireless card,
05:19.46roscivswould the most straightforward solution be to hook an AP up to computer B, and a wireless game adapter/bridge to computer C?
05:19.55roscivsOr is there some more optimal solution I'm not thinking about?
05:21.29jsmithroscivs: Yes, you've got it.
05:24.31roscivsWell, newegg has two decent-looking wireless adapters,
05:24.39roscivsone by netgear and one by "zoom".
05:25.00roscivsnever heard of zoom before, but it's cheaper and rated higher.
05:25.07jsmithSounds scary...
05:25.43roscivsand that reminds me,
05:26.01roscivsmost of these adapters say data rates "up to 54Mbps", which I thought was the max for wireless g,
05:26.12roscivsbut others say "up to 125Mbps",
05:26.26roscivs(like the zoom adapter, as well as a lot of the other game adapters)
05:26.46roscivsis that possibly over wireless g?
05:26.49findlayprobably uses magic
05:26.53roscivss/possibly/possible/
05:27.10roscivsooh, a magic bridge!
05:27.16jsmithThat means, if you've got a wireless G access point with "speedboost" or some other proprietary thing..., that in theory you can get more than 54mbps
05:27.47roscivsHm, I guess that's what "Uses wireless-G technology plus speed enhancements for very fast standardsbased wireless connectivity" would mean
05:27.58jsmithYeah.
05:28.10jsmithPersonally, I'd stay away from it, and just go with 54mbps.
05:28.17mrpull-xif you mix in any 802.11b gear it will probably all slow down
05:28.25jsmith(Especially if the access point and bridge are from different vendors)
05:28.50mrpull-xthe new mimo (pre-n?) gear claims to exceed 100Mbps
05:29.05roscivswell, right now I just have a 802.11b AP, but everything else is g so I figure if I get tired of the slow speed I can upgrade the AP to g
05:29.29roscivsI don't really care about the >54Mbps speed
05:30.18roscivsthe biggest issue for me is that the reviews for the netgear bridge talk about it getting really hot and being difficult to configure,
05:30.30roscivswhereas the reviews for the "zoom" adapter are all glowing
05:31.26roscivsand it's $10 cheaper
05:31.53roscivsif they were the same price i'd probably go with the more familiar netgear brand despite the difference in reviews
05:33.04roscivsHm. So many choices!
05:33.10roscivs(Okay, well, actually two choices.)
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06:38.39maquis-urls
06:38.39brac[2006/04/11 22:56:24] <roscivs> http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54
06:38.39brac[2006/04/11 22:37:29] <jsmith> http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=333
06:38.39brac[2006/04/11 22:34:17] <jsmith> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833150013
06:38.39brac[2006/04/11 22:20:02] <ibot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=bobb+gross&go=Go
06:38.46maquis-urls 8
06:38.46brac[2006/04/11 22:56:24] <roscivs> http://www.ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54
06:38.46brac[2006/04/11 22:37:29] <jsmith> http://www.dlink.com/products/?sec=0&pid=333
06:38.46brac[2006/04/11 22:34:17] <jsmith> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833150013
06:38.47brac[2006/04/11 22:20:02] <ibot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=bobb+gross&go=Go
06:38.48brac[2006/04/11 22:13:52] <tensai> http://www.zmonkey.org/~tensai/tmp/Eli%20Young%20Band%20-%20When%20It%20Rains.mp3
06:38.49brac[2006/04/11 22:04:03] <tensai> http://2006.sxsw.com/toolbox/schedules/ipod/
06:38.50brac[2006/04/11 22:03:08] <emcnabb> http://www.slipups.com/items/2786.html
06:38.52brac[2006/04/11 21:59:07] <emcnabb> http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html
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12:56.25mheathGood morning
13:07.17goozbachmorning
13:07.21goozbachgood, no!
13:08.10mheathBut it is!
13:08.12mheath=P
13:08.21goozbach~punch mheath
13:08.23ibotACTION hits mheath like the hot kiss and the end of a wet fist
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13:11.04mheathibot, cute, but ineffectula.
13:11.07mheathibot, cute, but ineffectulal
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16:06.24emcnabbno eli
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16:16.18maquissjansen/emcnabb: what's eli?
16:16.36sjansenhttp://www.eli.net/about.html
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16:17.02twobanyone dealt with a cisco 675 dsl modem?  My sister is getting setup but I've found a 675 modem for her, but most people I know use a 678, so I'm not sure if there's a reason not to use the 675, or if it won't work as it's cap only, and the 678 is cap and dmt.
16:17.19twobit's for qwest, herriman area
16:17.24maquissjansen: cool
16:23.24tensaitwob: iirc qwest doesn't support the 675 for new installs anymore
16:30.57twobhmm, too bad.  I guess I'll have to track down a 678 then
16:31.22twob.. plug doesn't have a buy/sell/trade list do they?
16:31.32Jayce^no, just the genreal
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16:39.14Jayce^"fica te devindo"
16:39.23twobheh, not even 2 minutes after it posts and two responses..
16:39.38Jayce^nice
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17:01.31goozbachharleypig's post abt the rabbit?
17:04.58Jayce^goozbach, no, today's post
17:05.32maquisit was funny, but i don't quite get why he did that (and we never find out why the girl was so jittery that day as opposed to other days)
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17:07.25sjansenmaquis: your supposed to be able to pick up on the fact that she was on drugs and harleypig was giving her a chance to flee before he called the cops
17:07.43maquissjansen: erm... ok...
17:08.57QBFreakI don't suppose anyone knows where to get an 8" floppy drive
17:09.26sjansenQBFreak: Have you tried DI. ;-)
17:09.33QBFreakDI?
17:10.13QBFreakof course I don't even know what system the disks are from, no idea if at that point it mattered
17:10.49sjansenhttp://chalkline.blogspot.com/2006/04/how-to-fold-mattress-cover-for-xys.html
17:11.05Jayce^maquis, he was awake
17:11.59goozbachoh wow!
17:13.33harleypigmaquis: what don't you understand about why I did that?
17:14.14maquisharleypig: i'm guessing you just wanted to have some fun at her expense... but why was she so jittery?
17:14.34sjansenmaquis: have you met harleypig?
17:14.58maquissjansen: kind-of
17:15.08maquishe was at the first uug meeting i ever attended iirc
17:15.31sjansenShe assumed that a large man with a giant beard who rode the same bus as her and got off at the same stop as her must obviously be a stalker, becaue he couldn't possibly be a normal guy going home from work.
17:15.40harleypigI never found out for sure.  I think she just noticed me for some reason (even though she'd been riding the same bus as me for months).
17:15.42maquisbut if they'd been on the bus every day for a while, it seems weird that she'd be so much more jittery one day than another
17:15.48harleypigThat's usually the response I get.
17:16.00harleypigerr ... what sjansen said.
17:17.23harleypigmaquis: maybe it was cause I wasn't sleeping as usual that night. *shrug*
17:17.36sjansenShe probably didn't notice him when he slept, but since he couldn't sleep that time, she probably noticed his bored, wandering gaze and thought he was spying on her.
17:17.50harleypigShe *was* cute.
17:17.57maquislol
17:18.06harleypigBut not cute enough for me to stare at all the way home.
17:18.17maquisso, you decided to scare her off
17:18.43harleypigNot really.  I expected her to laugh or yell at me, or almost anything besides actually run.
17:19.04harleypigI was just tired of dealing with idiots and she was just being a different kind of idiot that night.
17:19.19maquisdid you see her on the bus the next day?
17:19.27maquis(or any time after that?)
17:19.29harleypigheh ... nope.  Never saw her again.
17:20.36maquislol
17:21.28maquiswould've been funny to see her reaction the next day on the bus... but yeah...
17:23.46tensaiharleypig: I like to tell the story about the guy "detaining" you in the parking lot
17:23.59goozbachohh fry's or best buy?
17:24.47sjansenThat's my favorite too... but wasn't it a woman?
17:26.19harleypigsjansen: :D
17:26.47tensaisjansen: coulda been. details aren't important. like, did he really run the guy over and spit on his head? I dunno, but it makes the story more interesting.
17:26.59harleypigtensai: you mean at the albertson's in af?
17:27.24tensaiharleypig: I think so. the cops came and threatened the guy for illegally detaining you
17:27.29RyanE_harleypig: what, did they think you had hidden a ham in your beard?
17:27.50tensaimmm. hidden ham... *drools*
17:27.55goozbachI wanna hear this story...
17:27.59harleypigheh
17:28.32harleypighmmm ... have to work on getting that up too.
17:29.43goozbachmaybe I should upgrade my blog so it can do atom feeds
17:29.57goozbachbut then I've got to redo the layout
17:31.04Jayce^goozbach, and would involve you actually posting
17:31.35goozbachI've been posting, to the GL blog
17:31.45goozbachbut I no longer have access to that
17:32.04goozbach(till I convince Dax to let me back in)
17:32.16goozbachmy personal blog is just a bunch of rubbish
17:32.27tensaiaren't they all?
17:32.37goozbachtensai: yup, but I admit it
17:33.49tensaiwhoah, when did we get 60 people in here?
17:34.16maquistensai: we've been growing for quite q while :)
17:34.19harleypiggoozbach: got busy all of a suddent ... I'll blog about it in the next couple of days.
17:34.33maquis-lart harleypig
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17:35.09goozbachhp: that's fine, I won't be able to read it for a while anywho
17:35.23elg-lart stupididty
17:35.25maquisgoozbach: how has work been going for you?
17:35.33maquiselg: that's kinda ironic...
17:35.43harleypigmaquis: ?whyfor?
17:36.12elgyeah
17:36.28maquisharleypig: for fun
17:37.07harleypig:D
17:37.26harleypigHow's *that* for a mental image
17:37.31harleypig*thud* *thud* *thud*
17:37.55Jayce^harleypig, not as good of an image as me running like one in front of that hummer
17:38.07maquisJayce^: :)
17:39.11mrpull-my robot will not obey :-/
17:39.33harleypigJayce^: true
17:39.45sjansen~paint Jayce^
17:40.00ibotACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^
17:40.00sjansen~reboot ibot
17:40.03ibotACTION pushes ibot's reset button
17:40.12maquis~ping
17:40.15ibotpong
17:40.29maquisibot: lag
17:40.34ibothmm... lag is very bad here :(
17:40.34graphyx<PROTECTED>
17:40.45maquisibot: yes....  it is...
17:40.50graphyx~ping
17:40.52ibotpong
17:41.14graphyx~lag
17:41.15ibotlag is probably very bad here :(
17:41.21graphyxI see.
17:41.22graphyxThanks.
17:45.16^Migs^I used to think it was a load of crap that stress could cause serious mental problems, but I think I'm losing my ability to retain information
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17:58.49synicif we were using hardware raid 5 and wanted to make it so that we could add drives on the fly when we run out of space, would LVM be the way to go?
18:03.02elgsjansen: why oh why am I getting hbox underfull badness on my bibtex entry?
18:03.15elgUnderfull \hbox (badness 10000) in paragraph at lines 75--79
18:03.15elg[]\OT1/cmr/m/n/10 J. Groh: \OT1/cmr/m/it/10 An Ef-fi-cient, Pre-cise Fre-quency
18:03.15elg<PROTECTED>
18:03.23elg\bibitem{groh}J.~Groh:
18:03.24elg\emph{An Efficient, Precise Frequency Shifter},
18:03.24elgCsound Magazine Summer 2000, http://www.csounds.com/ezine/summer2000/processing/some more blabbing goes here
18:05.27goozbachsynic: yup
18:06.48elgoh I guess it's that the url is forced to wrap
18:06.50elgoh well
18:07.11synicok... next question.  Is there a way to install OpenAFS or another distributed filesystem on top of that?
18:08.17synicor DRBD
18:15.01goozbachsynic: GFS
18:15.08goozbachthat I know for sure works
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18:22.16synicgoozbach: k
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18:24.36Hhhhhh~rlart
18:24.43Hhhhhhgrr
18:24.55Hhhhhhibot, wake up
18:24.58ibotup: GOOD MORNING!!!
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18:25.11findlayibot: wake down
18:25.16ibotdown: GOOD MORNING!!!
18:25.27Hhhhhhibot, wake ibot
18:25.29ibotibot: GOOD MORNING!!!
18:25.34Hhhhhhibot, you suck
18:26.00Hhhhhh~lart brac
18:26.08Hhhhhh-lart ibot
18:29.38tensaisynic: we use drbd. works great if the systems are close. saved our bacon twice so far.
18:29.53synictensai: on top of LVM ?
18:30.15synicand yeah, the systems will be in the same cabinet connected via a gigabit switch.
18:30.16tensaisynic: we don't currently use it on top of lvm, but it can be done
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18:31.37tensai~onjoin maquis sorry, tensai had a power failure
18:31.37ibotok, tensai
18:32.36tensaisynic: for our latest box we ditched RAID5. instead we use RAID1 pairs and LVM.
18:33.31synicwhy did you decide on that?
18:33.34tensaidrbd 0.8 will have write/write support so you can use it with GFS
18:34.09tensaiRAID10 (or LVM w/ RAID1) has a lower failure probability than RAID5, and more spindles means higher speed
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18:36.40ibotok, tensai
18:39.18tensaisynic: also, we can add RAID1 pairs at run time (<3 hot swap), add them to the LVM volume group, extend the LV, and resize the fs all without taking the system down
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18:39.42synicnice
18:39.45maquistensai: ??
18:39.58tensaimaquis: power failure
18:40.02maquistensai: ah
18:40.03maquisok :)
18:40.15tensaimaquis: did you see the message from ibot?
18:40.31maquistensai: no...  i didn't...  i had some issues with my irssi config that i decided to fix
18:40.35maquiswhat was the message?
18:40.46tensai"tensai had a power failure" :)
18:40.49maquisoh
18:40.50maquis:)
18:40.52maquislol
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19:30.37mrpull-what is the plug topic tonight?
19:30.44elgthrow tomatoes at sj
19:30.48elger, sjansen
19:30.51mrpull-s/plug/nupm/
19:30.52elgcontext
19:30.54mrpull-silly fingers
19:34.17findlaywhat's a textbook regular expression to switch all letters to lowercase?
19:34.38findlays/[A-Z]/[a-z]/?
19:34.46gthornocky/A-Z/a-z/
19:35.00maquiswhat's the y do?
19:35.13findlayyeah
19:35.29gthornock"translate" (you can also use tr)
19:35.29findlayand no [] either?
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19:36.24dataw0lfif you're using sed you can use \U
19:36.27tensai~drown elg
19:36.36dataw0lfor \L rather
19:36.48maquisi take it that the y/// trick doesn't work in vim?
19:37.00gthornockprobably not
19:37.07maquistoo bad
19:37.19findlaymaquis: vim is easy: ~
19:37.33findlayas long as you're not doing search and replace that is
19:38.45dataw0lfyou can use \L in vim too
19:39.08maquisinteresting
19:39.42findlayhow?
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19:40.26findlaylike %s/<pattern>/\L/g ?
19:40.50dataw0lfyea
19:41.20dataw0lfif you wanted to lowercase the whole file it'd be %s/.*/\L/g
19:41.23dataw0lfit operates on the back reference
19:41.38dataw0lfhttp://larc.ee.nthu.edu.tw/~cthuang/vim/files/vim-regex/vim-regex.htm
19:41.41brac[Vim Regular Expressions]
19:41.58findlay%s/\(<pattern>\)/\L\1/g
19:42.20dataw0lfright
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19:42.47dataw0lf%s/.*/\L&/g
19:42.59findlay~hug sed
19:43.00ibotACTION hugs sed
19:43.15RyanEthe PLUGList SSH thread has officially outstayed it's welcome.
19:43.22dataw0lfhuh
19:43.28dataw0lfhaven't read anything on PLUG for a while
19:43.38RyanEdataw0lf: should've come to Springville last night.
19:43.46harleypiganyone know of a decent radio stream that plays stuff like 103.5?
19:43.55harleypig(The Arrow)
19:43.58findlayRyanE: did you read the recent SLLUG SSH thread?
19:44.01RyanEdataw0lf: summation: people hacking SSH is bad, a couple of techniques to slow them down, rant and rave about posting netiquette.
19:44.10dataw0lfRyanE: No way! On PLUG?!
19:44.11dataw0lf:D
19:44.12RyanEfindlay: don't follow sllug.
19:44.18dataw0lfRyanE: Couldn't make it, worked til 11pm
19:44.21dataw0lf:\
19:44.26RyanEyeah, it sounded like you had a full plate
19:44.37RyanEof course, we had 8 people, so we weren't lacking
19:44.47dataw0lfdamn, I really want to go.
19:44.54dataw0lfI hate being salaried and not making overtime.
19:45.24dataw0lfI thought I'd slack off a bit and start pulling somewhere near 40 hours a week.
19:45.25dataw0lfha!
19:45.30findlaywhat does salary taste like?
19:45.30dataw0lfjoke's on me I guess.
19:45.36dataw0lfcrunchy!
19:45.57findlaylike lettuce I suppose
19:46.01dataw0lfI guess crunchy isn't really a taste
19:46.20dataw0lfdang, I want some celery now.
19:46.26dataw0lfthanks findlay
19:46.32dataw0lf-lart findlay
19:46.34findlaywith cream cheese
19:46.36dataw0lfmm
19:46.41Jayce^lars-ut, I *like* that device
19:46.41RyanEsalary tastes like Training Table's Cheese Fries with dipping sauce.
19:47.46mrpull-sooo... no Perl Mongers tonight?
19:48.11dataw0lfRyanE: never had Training Table.
19:48.13dataw0lfI don't think.
19:48.25lars-uthttp://larsrasmussen.blogspot.com/2006/04/sharing-hd-videos-with-non-geeks.html
19:48.26brac[Musings from Lars: Sharing HD Videos with Non-Geeks]
19:48.58mrpull-lars-ut:  I heard you are the pfSense expert.  Is that true?
19:49.01RyanEdataw0lf: they're pretty tasty, in a make you round sort of way.
19:49.28dataw0lfRyanE: I'll have to try em.
19:49.39lars-utmrpull-: (cough) I use it at home, and I've been pretty happy with it so far
19:49.54Jayce^mrpull-, we'll be here
19:49.58Jayce^not sure on topic
19:50.15dataw0lflars-ut: what type of hard drive you putting in there?
19:50.24findlaymrpull-: I could stand up and explain all the cool stuff newbie I've learned (:
19:50.25mrpull-Jayce^:  Cool.  Thanks.
19:50.47mrpull-lars-ut:  I assume you haven't used the loadbalancing then?
19:51.00findlaywhat
19:51.06findlaystupid keyboard
19:51.07lars-utmrpull-: I haven't - only the traffic shaping
19:51.25lars-utmrpull-: you likely need CARP
19:51.41lars-utdataw0lf: in the jukebox?
19:51.46findlaywhat's the word-character matching symbol for sed?  Is it just \w?
19:52.21lars-utmrpull-: Do you need load balancing or redundancy?
19:52.25lars-utor both?
19:52.31dataw0lffindlay: yea
19:52.33dataw0lflars-ut: yea
19:52.42dataw0lfI have a perpindicular drive I'm getting rid of fairly cheap.
19:52.48dataw0lf80 bucks (300 dollar value)
19:52.53findlayyea
19:52.58lars-utdataw0lf: sold.
19:53.05lars-utcapacity?
19:53.10dataw0lflars-ut: 160 gig
19:53.23mrpull-lars-ut:  both is the idea
19:53.32mrpull-looking to replace some EOL'ed big-ip's
19:53.35dataw0lflars-ut: nothing wrong with it, it's brand new, just found out I can't use it.
19:53.51dataw0lfand I got it for cheap from a friend so *shrug*
19:54.05lars-utdataw0lf: That guilt for missin' board game night is payin' off
19:54.11dataw0lfhehe
19:54.18dataw0lfguess I'll have to make it next Tuesday.
19:54.31lars-utdataw0lf: darn right
19:54.37dataw0lfso I don't end up selling my new system to you too.
19:54.40dataw0lf;)
19:55.36lars-utdataw0lf: the long-delayed Philly Cheesesteak will likely be provided next week
19:55.49lars-utmrpull-: accessing...
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19:58.20dataw0lflars-ut: mmm, I heart philly cheesesteaks.
19:58.29dataw0lfshould I bring snacks / cash for snacks?
19:58.42lars-utnext week - cash
19:58.56lars-utsince it's your first time don't worry about it though
19:59.12dataw0lfno worries, I'll bring some cash.
20:00.32dataw0lfmanpage-in-wrong-directory my butt
20:03.35leviMan, I saw there were a ton of unread messages in PLUG, and I thought there was going to be a fun flamewar.  Turns out it's just a bunch of iptables crap! ;)
20:04.49dataw0lfmmm iptables
20:05.07dataw0lfcan't believe I missed an iptables convo
20:06.10Jayce^still going some, although it's started into the trimming/top-posting war
20:08.04dataw0lfyea, unless Ellis jumps in with some Python flame that I have to balance out I'll stick to the sidelines.
20:08.20RyanEand even the flaming is half-hearted.
20:08.50dataw0lfI'm sure someone will prod the coals
20:09.39Jayce^dataw0lf, whew, sjansen wasn't around to hear you say that
20:10.12dataw0lf:-)
20:10.16lars-utmrpull-: what's your scenario? outbound? bonding multiple wan connections?
20:12.30lars-utI can see some work has been done with slbd 7 pfsense, but I'm not familiar with it - just looking at it now in response to your question.  As far as redundancy is concerned, CARP has been in the pfSense project for a long time.
20:12.47lars-uts/slbd 7/slbd &
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20:25.30RyanEI like grep.
20:26.20lars-utmrpull-: http://wiki.pfsense.com/wikka.php?wakka=IncomingLoadBalancing
20:26.21brac[pfSenseWiki: Incoming Load Balancing mini-howto]
20:26.45dataw0lflars-ut, RyanE: I hate pf!
20:27.03dataw0lfjust joking.  I like pf.  I just like iptables more.
20:27.13dataw0lfbah!
20:27.14RyanEI didn't express an opinion of pf
20:27.17dataw0lfSysV > BSD
20:27.19RyanEjust that I like grep.
20:27.20RyanE:)
20:27.48dataw0lfgrep is lovely.
20:29.45dataw0lfOk, so this Windows XP box I have at home will boot in safe mode but not 'regular' mode
20:30.03dataw0lfI disabled the DCOM service when it first came up and that seemed to fix it.
20:30.12dataw0lfbut now it's acting up again.
20:30.45dataw0lfmy problem is that the bootlog for XP doesn't seem to log it if the boot doesn't actually compelte.
20:30.47dataw0lfcomplete*
20:30.52dataw0lfwhich is unbelievable
20:31.00dataw0lfanyone have any idea how to tweak the boot log settings on XP?
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20:31.11mrpull-lars-ut:  thanks for the link
20:32.05lars-utmrpull-: np, beta 3 of pfSense will likely be released next week - the project arguably has more active development than any other OSS firewall, and they offer bounties as well.
20:32.21mrpull-lars-ut:  do you know if it can do a health check of the webheads and take them out of the pool if a token isn't in the web page?
20:32.40lars-utno
20:32.51sjansenAnyone here know Elijah Newren?
20:33.00lars-utlink monitoring yes - monitoring the page - I don't know
20:34.32Jayce^sjansen, I've met him a couple times
20:36.00dataw0lfsjansen: at a couple math department parties when I was dating a math master's student, I think.
20:40.31lars-utmrpull-: 76 users in ##pfsense right now
20:41.43sjansenCool, glad to hear he's not in Podunk, UT. I think I owe him a free dinner.
20:42.01Jayce^fix your annoyance?
20:44.33Jayce^harleypigs brother++
20:45.38sjansenhttp://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2006/4/12/3562 <-- Pushing his creativity to the limits trying to insult the Nintendo Revolution, one commentor observes, "The Revolution is a toy." ... Uh, yeah, that's pretty much the point.
20:46.01sjansenJayce^: Hopefully.
20:48.55findlaysjansen: I've conversed with him briefly over email before
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20:56.02Hhhhhhlars-ut, what is ##pfsense?
20:57.37findlaythe number of numbered pathetic file senses
20:57.53lars-utHhhhhh: the irc channel for the pfSense firewall project
20:58.01Hhhhhhgotcha
20:58.22Hhhhhhfindlay, thanks for your contribution too! :)
20:58.26HhhhhhNOT!
20:58.29Hhhhhhj/k
21:01.08^Migs^I wonder if I can get my HDD 50% defragged?
21:01.18^Migs^or fragged
21:01.20^Migs^yeah
21:01.26HhhhhhI can frag it
21:01.29Hhhhhhwith my shotgun
21:01.38^Migs^loalsdfoasldfolalozlfozxflozlozlololollz ur funny
21:01.41Hhhhhh<<<HEADSHOT>>>
21:01.43Hhhhhhlol
21:02.00Hhhhhh~lart ^Migs^
21:02.13Hhhhhh~lart ^Migs^
21:02.24^Migs^~lart Hhhhhh
21:02.36^Migs^~lart Hhhhhh
21:02.38Hhhhhh~lart ^Migs^
21:02.46Hhhhhhhmm
21:02.47^Migs^~lart Hhhhhh
21:02.51Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:02.53Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:02.57Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.00Hhhhhhmuahahahaha
21:03.01^Migs^why am I getting the stupid ones?
21:03.05Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.06^Migs^~lart Hhhhhh
21:03.13^Migs^-lart Hhhhhh
21:03.17Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.25^Migs^~lart Hhhhhh
21:03.29Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.31Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.33Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.35Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.36^Migs^~lart Hhhhhh
21:03.38Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.40mheath~lart ^Migs^ for all those pesky JSP errors and the overall blatant stupidity of Weber School District technical staff people
21:03.47Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.48Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.49^Migs^-lart  Hhhhhh
21:03.52Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.53Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.54^Migs^-lart  Hhhhhh
21:03.55Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.56^Migs^-lart  Hhhhhh
21:03.58^Migs^-lart  Hhhhhh
21:03.58Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:03.59^Migs^-lart  Hhhhhh
21:04.02Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:04.03Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:04.06Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:04.11Hhhhhhemo
21:04.12Hhhhhhhahahaha
21:04.14HhhhhhI win
21:04.15Hhhhhh:)
21:04.23^Migs^-lart  Hhhhhh
21:04.29Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:04.30Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:04.35Hhhhhhhahahaha
21:04.36Hhhhhhemacs
21:04.40^Migs^-lart  Hhhhhh
21:04.42Hhhhhh2x0
21:04.48^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:04.51Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:04.57Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:04.59Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.01Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.03Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.04^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:05.07Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.09Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.14Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.16Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.21^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:05.23Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
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21:05.25Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.29Hhhhhhhahahaha
21:05.30HhhhhhVB
21:05.31Hhhhhh3x0
21:05.33Hhhhhh:)
21:05.36Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.38Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.39^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:05.51Hhhhhhargh, my nuts
21:05.52^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:05.52Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.57Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:05.59Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.03^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:06.05Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.06Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.09Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.11Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.17Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.19Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.21Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.25Hhhhhhperl
21:06.26Hhhhhhhahaha
21:06.27Hhhhhh4x0
21:06.32Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.33^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:06.43Hhhhhhargh, outlook  express
21:06.45Hhhhhh4x1
21:06.47Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
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21:06.53Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.55Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:06.56^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:07.00HhhhhhAOL
21:07.02Hhhhhh5x1
21:07.06Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:07.07Hhhhhh-lart ^Migs^
21:07.08^Migs^~lart hhhhhh
21:07.18Jayce^kicking at the next lart
21:07.25HhhhhhI'm immune to your Debian attacks kid
21:07.38Hhhhhh*sniff*
21:07.40nick125how's that? :P
21:07.41^Migs^kick Hhhhhh.   I've been spreading mine out with a reasonable amount of time
21:07.49Hhhhhhhuh?
21:07.55^Migs^he's just been mass spamming
21:08.03Hhhhhhmeh
21:08.04Hhhhhh:p
21:08.24^Migs^why is lart there if we're not supposed to use it?
21:09.11Hhhhhhwe were just making the bots break the sweat a little
21:09.18Hhhhhhaerobic exercise
21:09.28^Migs^well, you were.  I was barely even using it.
21:09.42Hhhhhhyea right kid'
21:09.47Hhhhhhgood try
21:09.48^Migs^um, how long until we can use lart again without being kicked?
21:10.10Jayce^until other people have talked enough to make both of you scroll off *my* screen
21:10.14^Migs^okay
21:10.34^Migs^so maybe 10 minutes or so?
21:10.41Jayce^then you get *1*
21:10.54^Migs^1 what?
21:10.58Jayce^one lart
21:10.59Hhhhhhlol
21:11.12^Migs^1 per how many seconds?
21:11.24^Migs^because ibot sets a limit at 5 seconds or so
21:11.27HhhhhhI think someone really wants a kid
21:11.41Hhhhhhs/kid/kick
21:11.47levihttp://www.randb.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/12/443c71ed40b94
21:11.48^Migs^this is important.  You can't just be vague on the rules and expect everyone to understand.
21:11.54brac[redandblack.com - ATF rids Univ. of ninja threat]
21:11.58lars-utOur CFO wants 2 new bookshelf speakers & a center channel speaker, ~$3000 total.  Suggestions?
21:12.12lars-utI don't know much about speakers.
21:14.07Hhhhhhlevi
21:14.25HhhhhhI think the ATF agents acted properly, although everything was a big misunderstanding
21:15.28leviDid I pass any judgement on anyone in the story?  No, I just thought it was funny.
21:16.19mheathlars-ut, thats a LOT for 2 small bookshelf speakers
21:16.42lars-utIt's for his home theater setup
21:16.42Hhhhhhlevi, I thought it was funny too, and I wasn't implying you were passing a judgement
21:16.57nick125lars-ut: even if its for home theater, that's still alot..
21:17.10mheathlars-ut, My dad spent $1800 on two extremely high quality stereo speakers
21:17.15tensaiperfect. $500 for speakers, $2500 for lars-ut :)
21:17.26lars-utlol
21:17.28mheathAntique mcintosh speakers. Two huge speaker boxes so big you could fit two of me in them
21:17.42mheath20 inch subwoofers in each. Solid oak cabinets
21:17.42nick125lol
21:17.48mheathSound quality that will blow you away. They're AMAZING
21:17.53mheathand they were $1800.
21:17.54lars-utmheath: link?
21:18.04mheathlars-ut, They're 60 year old antiques.
21:18.20^Migs^are you sure they're 60 years old?
21:18.22mheathBookshelf size, I really don't know if theres ANYTHING for $3,000
21:18.43mheath^Migs^, 50-60 years old. Circa 1950, I believe. Maybe newer, though. Maybe I'm mistaken.
21:18.50tensaisjansen: what do you know about ldap update referrals?
21:18.56nick125I don't think they make anything for $3,000 (speaker-wise least) :P
21:19.12leviI dunno, audiophile gear can get pretty pricy.
21:19.22lars-utmheath:  He's wanting to spend $3,000 max for all 3 speakers - any ideas?
21:19.29leviI'm sure you could find someone willing to sell you a single speaker for $3000.
21:19.32elgdude, why did the ninja run?
21:19.32mheathlars-ut, $3,000 really is rediculous. He'd be better off spending most of that money to get a REALLY nice TV or projector.
21:19.40Hhhhhhlars-ut, buy $500 and keep the rest?
21:19.42elghe could have taken out those fat cops if he was a ninja
21:19.46elgand if he wasn't a ninja, well why run?
21:20.07lars-utbrands?
21:20.08mheathlars-ut, Seriously, though....I don't know of ANYTHING in the consumer range thats even close to that
21:20.34lars-utprosumer then?
21:20.36nick125looking at the bose site, it looks like the most expensive bookshelf speakers they have are ~$400..lol
21:20.58mheathlars-ut, as I said, my dad has state of the art prosumer speakers, and they're antiques even - they're 10 times bigger than what he's looking for, and still only $1,800
21:21.27mheathThis is like looking for a used honda somewhere int he $200,000 range.
21:21.44nick125lol, very true..
21:21.52sjansentensai: that they're possible
21:22.04lars-utI looked at these per a budget online recommendation, it's a complete set though: http://www.wildwestelectronics.net/-ms300sys.html
21:22.08brac[Mordaunt Short MS300SYS Surround Sound Speaker Package with MS309W Subwoofer, Maple or Black (EACH)]
21:22.13elg-lart sjansen
21:23.03lars-utrecommendation from http://www.audioholics.com/showcase/systemguide/12KRecommended-HTSystem.html
21:23.07tensaisjansen: the refferal seems to work. I get a hit on the master but it refuses to mod the attribute because the connection is bound as anonymous, despite the original connection to the slave having been authenticated
21:23.19sjansentensai: It's been awhile, I don't remember the limitations. You probably already know that it's common to configure clients to read from slaves but refer them to the master for writes.
21:23.32tensaisjansen: is that normal behavior? is there a client option to use the same auth credentials for both?
21:23.51tensaisjansen: yeah, I didn't write the client. I may have to rewrite it if this doesn't work.
21:24.27mheathlars-ut, you might want to take a look at http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=20&cat=Loudspeaker+Systems
21:24.28brac[McIntosh]
21:24.31mheathThats the brand of stuff my dad owns
21:24.39mheathGranted, his are all > 30 years old
21:24.47tensaielg: tv into computer or computer out to the tv?
21:24.53mheathbut if they've maintained anywhere near the same standard of quality, they're amazing
21:25.06elgcomputer -> tv
21:25.09elgsorry
21:25.27elgthere'd be no point going the other way. our reception is almost as bad as the programming
21:25.33nick125lol
21:25.53lars-utmheath: thx for the link
21:26.05tensaielg: what video card?
21:26.50mheathMy dads speakers are amazing, though
21:26.55mheathEspecially at the low ranges
21:27.23mheathSome of his records......Theres no distortion, yet you can physically *feel* the music from across the room
21:28.41RyanElars-ut: you should look at AVS Forums, maybe post there.
21:29.32goozbachhe must have been missing his nija smoke bombs
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21:29.48lars-utRyanE: thanks
21:31.29tensaihere we see the violence inherent in the system. the ninjas are being oppressed, which the pirates walk around they're they the king of england.
21:31.38tensais/which/while/
21:31.57tensaiah, crud. I really need to proofread.
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21:32.31ibotwell, goozbach is a future que-ball. easier to catch than a retarted sasquatch
21:32.41dataw0lftensai: talking about the DEA bust?
21:32.45fozzmoo~seen goozbach
21:32.52ibotgoozbach is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 3m 20s, last said: 'he must have been missing his nija smoke bombs'.
21:32.55sjansentensai: http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-software/200102/msg00486.html <-- Looks like it's a client bug.
21:33.32leviNot directly relevant to bookshelf speakers, but interesting and funny nonetheless: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_182.html
21:33.34brac[The Straight Dope: Has anybody actually bought stereo speakers costing
21:33.34brac$50,000 a pair?]
21:33.35tensaisjansen: ew, yuck.
21:34.06dataw0lfoh
21:34.15dataw0lftensai: more ninja harassment while leaving the pirates alone:
21:34.17dataw0lfhttp://www.randb.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/04/12/443c71ed40b94
21:34.21brac[redandblack.com - ATF rids Univ. of ninja threat]
21:34.51tensaidataw0lf: heh. that's what levi just shared with us. :)
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21:35.05dataw0lftensai: darn.
21:35.14dataw0lflevi: sorry for stepping on your toes! :)
21:35.40tensaiwe had a drive by fozzmooing. looks like he's picking up bad habits from sjansen.
21:35.46dataw0lfhehe
21:38.07sjansentensai: bad habits? bad network connections!
21:38.22sjansen~lart linux wireless
21:38.44sjansenspeaking of which...
21:39.39levihttp://www.crutchfield.com/S-yfD7CUQcEw5/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=37900&I=108CASM3VS
21:39.44lars-uthttp://www.rbhsound.com/aboutrbh.shtml
21:39.52brac[About RBH]
21:39.52leviA couple of those plus a center channel will put you near your budget limit. ;)
21:41.03lars-utlevi: I don't know much about speakers, but I recognize the Infinity brand
21:41.43leviI have no idea if those particular speakers are any good, but they're certainly expensive.
21:42.17lars-utlol
21:42.20leviThe center channel in the Cascade series goes for $799.
21:42.40leviSo, you're a little short of $3000 still.
21:42.53lars-utah, savings...
21:42.55lars-ut:)
21:43.33leviThey've got a Prelude series that's even more expensive, but that line doesn't seem to have bookshelf speakers, just towers.
21:43.45leviAnd Crutchfield doesn't carry them.
21:45.27leviWow, a pair of Prelude MTS Towers goes for $4800.
21:45.36lars-utwow
21:46.40leviI don't think Infinity allows those to be sold online.
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21:47.06lars-utI think I've given him enough suggestions now - thanks for the help
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21:47.52lars-utsjansen: This indecision's buggin' me...
21:49.00sjansen~bug lars-ut
21:49.18lars-utIndecision me molesta... si no me quieres me livre
21:49.29leviHmm.  I'm not sure, but I think this Monitor Audio Gold Reference 60 tower sells for nearly $4000/speaker.
21:50.06lars-utlevi: I think $3000 total was his limit
21:50.29leviI know, I'm just seeing how high they go in the standard retail channels.
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21:50.56flyboy^Hi all. Does Sash Pachev ever hang out in here?
21:51.04flyboy^Sasha. Sorry. :)
21:51.15Jayce^no
21:51.16lars-utlevi: would the $4k model be considered professional?
21:51.42leviNo, it's just for people with lots of money.
21:51.51sjansenflyboy^: Never seen him here.
21:52.42sjansen~lart NetworkManager
21:52.50leviHmm, Monitor Audio sells a bookshelf speaker for $1495 each.
21:53.10leviThat blows the budget before you even get to a center channel. :)
21:56.38leviSo, anyway, I trust I've thoroughly dispelled the myth that two bookshelf speakers and a center channel speaker couldn't add up to $3000.
21:57.19levi(Which is probably >10x how much I paid for my entire speaker system)
21:57.29lars-uto/~ Dígame que debo ser o/~
21:57.56Jayce^o/~ quero te provar.. o/~
21:59.36lars-uto/~  Eu sigo e nunca me sinto só  o/~
22:00.06lars-utJayce^: adivinhou?
22:00.13sjansen~pacify lars-ut
22:02.00Jayce^n?o
22:03.38lars-utVou DCC então...
22:05.10Jayce^bah, n?o v?
22:05.21Jayce^leve hoje a noite
22:05.31lars-uttá ok
22:05.48Jayce^t?m algo do 'skank' ?
22:05.57lars-utnope
22:06.02Jayce^tenho um, quero mais
22:06.23Jayce^everybody remember/thinks they can find the new location?
22:07.00flyboy^Oh, I don't have anything to do tonight. I guess I'll go to my first ever PLUG meeting. Convieniently enough it's near where I work now. :)
22:07.20Jayce^yeah, really close to where I work :-p
22:07.31flyboy^Jayce^: where do you work?
22:07.42Jayce^United Online :) the ones hosting the location
22:07.57Jayce^funny how that works
22:08.15flyboy^Oh. Hehe. I'm over at Omniture now.
22:08.26flyboy^what building is it in again?
22:08.29Jayce^Q
22:08.33flyboy^k
22:08.41Jayce^NW door, 2nd floor
22:08.46flyboy^Sweet
22:09.11flyboy^Be sure to where your big "Jayce^" T-Shirt so I can introduce myself in person.
22:09.18flyboy^wear
22:09.35Jayce^I'm wearing the "Fetch You" shirt
22:09.37leviI may be a little late, but I should be there.
22:10.51flyboy^Is this a permenant change of location, or just for tonight?
22:10.58Jayce^perm
22:11.04flyboy^Sweet! I love this place.
22:11.20flyboy^The other day I was getting gas in my car and the pump started playing a Dell server commercial.
22:12.26flyboy^I guess you get used to it after a while, but it took me back for a second.
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22:26.40flyboy^Humm. Is it just me that thinks that?
22:27.06Jayce^haven't seen one at a gas station yet
22:27.16Jayce^of course, I usually just fill at costco
22:27.34flyboy^Go get $5.00 at the 1600N Chevron. :)
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22:39.56sjansenExternal monitors and my laptop _do not_ want to get along. :-(
22:40.32sjansenI'm going to need to borrow a laptop for the Plug presentation. Preferably running x86 Linux.
22:46.10harleypigsjansen: amd64 ok?
22:46.36sjansensure
22:47.00harleypigYou can use mine, if it'll work.
22:47.17harleypigI mean, if it'll work for what you're trying to do.
22:48.18Jayce^let's go check it on the projector..
22:48.33Jayce^if your battery will make it during the walk to the conference room ... :-p
22:48.50harleypighey, it only drops to 90%
22:51.09leviTime to get to class.  See you PLUGgers tonight.
22:52.03sjansenOn second thought, all I should need is a laptop I can ssh -X from. I'll run stuff on my laptop, but use a friendlier one to talk to the projector.
22:54.17findlayhow do you control friendliness for a laptop?
22:54.38findlayit's probably something to do with nice
22:56.02flyboy^Or it uses the 'please_thank_you' protocol.
22:56.35findlaybut the other piece of hardware is always an unknown quantity
22:56.46flyboy^PTY is a bit slower than TCP, but you just feel so much better after using it.
22:56.58findlayslip up once and it could get really nasty
22:57.32findlaythere's got to be like a diplomatic protocol that can manipulate stranger hardware
22:58.53flyboy^Yes, but if you use the DiploMatic Protocol you have to use several EmBassy Protocols that all talk to a TranslationUnitDevice, and then you only get half of the data you really wanted.
23:00.56vontrappdoes Jonathan Ellis hang out here?
23:05.09tensaidon't think so, but don't swear by that
23:07.52harleypigJayce^: it only went to 78% in that time.
23:07.57Jayce^wow
23:08.13harleypigoops ... need my brick
23:08.23Jayce^run, before it empties the battery
23:09.47tensaimy battery is deceptive. normally it works well, but when it doesn't have a good charge it drop from like 80% to 1% all of a sudden
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23:10.31harleypigtensai: this battery is only rated for 1 hour.
23:10.51tensaiit also calculates times incorrectly. at 2% it'll show 2 hours left.
23:11.16harleypigI've gotten 1 hour and 30 minutes out of it when using just the console.
23:11.41tensaiharleypig: have you heard of laptop mode? it's a kernel option that buffers all disk writes.
23:12.15tensaiI dunno if it's used by any distros. I use debian so obviously I had to do it by hand.
23:12.25harleypigtensai: that *was* in 'conservative' mode.
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23:14.14elgtensai: radeon 7000
23:14.39tensaicat /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode
23:14.49elgok, if you say so
23:14.52harleypigkde will switch, but it's actually a little easier to just cat the appropriate proc
23:14.52elgbut it's a desktop
23:15.23tensaimy laptop isn't beefy enough for kde. tried but it was horrible. xfce works well though.
23:15.29tensaielg: not you, silly
23:15.33tensai-lart elg
23:15.46harleypig*my* laptop will play counter strike source :>
23:15.51harleypigneener
23:15.57elgis that like a GNU game?
23:16.11harleypiguh ...
23:16.54findlayit's probably a GNOld game
23:17.48harleypigooooh  .... cheesecake
23:20.26elgnick125: go ahead
23:21.11harleypighow do I setup xorg.conf so it doesn't make smaller resolutions virtual desktops?
23:21.29elgyou mean so it actually switches resolutions?
23:21.31elgno
23:21.41harleypigno?
23:21.44elgbut I suspect it already does and you're just switching wrong
23:21.46nick125elg: the damn thing refuses to work on my gentoo box (I need RPM to use rpmstrap to make some centos xen images)
23:21.54tensaiharleypig: you have to use xrandr
23:22.01elge.g. ctrl-alt-+/- still does the old virtual resize
23:22.17elgiirc
23:22.23tensaielg: correct
23:22.38harleypigthat's what I was changing resolutions with
23:23.12harleypigor I guess not resolutions, but desktop size?
23:23.25harleypigtensai: never heard of xrandr ... looking
23:23.44tensaixrandr -s 320x240
23:24.13tensaiI think there are kde applets to handle it, but I can't find them ATM
23:25.23tensaiah, yeah. at least in kde 3.5 right click desktop, properties, display. look ma, it's just like winders!
23:29.43harleypigtensai: that was it.  thanks.
23:29.58harleypigoh ... I'll lcheck that too
23:30.41harleypigI dont have a properties option.
23:30.46harleypigjust a desktop
23:31.14harleypigbut, maybe system settings has it
23:32.30harleypignot that I can find.
23:34.22elghehe. I got a kick out of the "contact me off list" rebuke
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23:55.48mheathWait.....doesn't irssi have split windows by default?
23:56.32elghow do you mean?
23:56.46mheathI'm talking to a guy who tried to tell me that Bi***X has the split windows by default, and irssi has a single window
23:57.01mheathelg, channels/queries split into different 'windows' accessible by ctrl+#
23:57.15mheathI thought it was the other way around
23:57.17elgthat's not exactly split, but yeah
23:57.29elgthat's more like multiplexed
23:57.39mheathI was just amazed
23:57.57mheathBecause he was complaining about irssi on a default config, and saying how he wanted Bit**X with a default config
23:58.26mheathMy experiences gave me the exact opposite desire - I found the irssi default config to be tolerable, but the Bit**X (though it can be configured to be very nice) one horrible

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