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00:32.34ScytheBlade1Now to try some ejabberd
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02:43.02ScytheBlade1Here's a question for everyone
02:43.18ScytheBlade1Why can't I use my numpad numeric keys in KDE's keyboard shortcuts?
02:43.31ScytheBlade1I assigned "Move window to desktop 1" to ctrl+alt+numpad 1
02:43.34ScytheBlade1and it just doesn't work
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02:53.20roscivsAh, ye old familiar #utah.
02:54.03roscivsIRC with a lemony twist of Utahsity.
02:56.18roscivsSheesh, where is everybody?! Usually this place is hopping on a Saturday evening.
02:56.43roscivsHm. We've got at least one-foot-hopping.
02:57.07roscivsNot quite what I was expecting, I suppose.
02:57.18roscivsThree feet now!
02:57.52roscivsGosh, I leave Utah for one month and it turns into three-feet-hopping mush.
02:58.01nick125yep
02:58.06nick125that should teach you
02:58.20roscivsah well.
02:58.43roscivsnot quite bashworthy. but it's #utah nonetheless.
03:01.43roscivsHm. Anyone know if you can make different items in a Java 5 Enum have the same value?
03:03.35maquis-lart roscivs \
03:03.38maquiser
03:03.41maquis-lart roscivs
03:03.48maquisthat should keep you hopping...
03:04.01roscivsha, poor roscivs \, there's epoxy in his toothpaste now
03:04.05roscivsI on the other hand ...
03:04.10maquis:)
03:04.18maquiswe're not that boring these days, are we?
03:04.30roscivswell, i'm not hopping with no knees anyway.
03:04.39roscivsLet's see ... since I've entered the room ...
03:04.50roscivshm ... basically ... nothing's happened?
03:05.29roscivsAnd nobody knows anything about java enums.
03:05.49roscivsMaybe if I said that java enums were way better than lisp I'd get some reactions.
03:07.40maquisroscivs: java sucks
03:07.53roscivsno, java rules!
03:07.54roscivsphp sucks.
03:07.59roscivshm, and perl too.
03:08.05roscivsperl is definitely teh suck.
03:08.22roscivsooh! woke somebody up.
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03:08.27ScytheBlade1I've been awake the whole time
03:08.34ScytheBlade1Just kinda... sitting in the corner over there ;)
03:08.44roscivsheh
03:08.51ScytheBlade1And just because in PHP, 1 == "1"
03:08.55ScytheBlade1Doesn't mean that it sucks!
03:08.58ScytheBlade1;)
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03:09.51elg-lart goozbach
03:09.59roscivsmaquis: probably a lot.
03:10.08elg-lart zzzirk
03:10.17maquisroscivs: yeah... i'm guessing so..
03:10.22maquiswe have a lot of corner dwellers
03:10.32maquisand some people don't respect others' corners
03:10.42roscivssome people go around poking corners
03:10.45roscivswith sharp sticks
03:11.35roscivshm! 1 == "1" in perl too.
03:11.40roscivswho'da thunk it!
03:13.22maquishmmmm.....
03:13.59roscivshmmm.
03:14.12maquisclose... but not quite
03:15.56maquisGAH
03:16.03maquiswhy can't i use i++ in python?
03:16.30elgbecause they hat eyou
03:18.32maquiswho's eyou, and why do they hat him?
03:20.04tensaieyou is eyore's brother
03:20.39maquisoh
03:20.46maquisdoes he have a nice hat?
03:21.38tensaino, that's why they hat him. because he doesn't have one.
03:33.52maquisoh
03:35.08roscivsI'm thinking indigestion
03:36.12elg-roulette
03:36.13bracelg: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+
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03:42.26tensai"I'm so hungry I could eat at Arby's"
03:42.26roscivsI rarely get that hungry.
03:42.26tensaiI love arby's
03:42.26ScytheBlade1I do too
03:42.26ScytheBlade1Even though I know how they make their roast beed
03:42.26ScytheBlade1*beef
03:45.53SpecialKthey
03:46.00maquisSpecialK: mmm... good?
03:46.32SpecialK6 foot subs and apples
03:46.48SpecialKyes, though they are probably done
03:54.52roscivsWow. The random quote at the bottom of my /. page ...
03:54.57roscivs/* * Buddy system. Hairy. You really aren't expected to understand this * */ -- From /usr/src/linux/mm/page_alloc.cA
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04:07.00leviGood evening.
04:07.17roscivsGood evening Mr Levi
04:07.30leviWhat's up?
04:07.44roscivsNothing much, apparently.
04:08.00roscivsThe place has pretty much been dead tonight.
04:08.08roscivsSome hopping on one foot and a mention of Arby's.
04:08.14Lone_Wandererhey Levi
04:08.43leviI've had a busy day, or I'd have been here to stir things up a bit!
04:08.51leviActually, no, I would have been out riding my bike.
04:08.52Lone_WandererI've had a weird day.
04:08.54Lone_WandererStupid girls.
04:08.58leviHeh.
04:09.11leviI was at a wedding this morning to afternoon, and an old ward reunion this evening.
04:09.14Lone_Wandereroh cool
04:10.02leviAnd just now I watched an episode of Babylon 5.
04:10.02Lone_Wanderer~lart weddings
04:10.02leviThe girl that got married was a good friend, and an even closer friend of my wife's.  The three of us used to hang out all the time.
04:10.09leviibot is slow.
04:10.22Lone_WandererI'm trying to get... I forgot.  I forgot what I was going to say.
04:10.27tensaiibot is "special"
04:10.55leviLone_Wanderer: What have you got against girls?
04:11.04Lone_WandererThey make me feel weird things.
04:11.39leviHeh, that's what's so great about them!
04:11.41Lone_WandererWould that I could divorce myself from my sexuality and simply read and study all day long!
04:11.43Lone_WandererYeah I know!
04:11.51leviLone_Wanderer: You know, there are ways to do that. ;)
04:11.57Lone_Wandererreally?
04:12.03tensaicareful, it's permanent
04:12.05Lone_Wandereroh
04:12.06roscivsSurgical ways.
04:12.07Lone_Wandereryeah, no thanks
04:12.11leviHeh.
04:12.18Lone_Wandererideally a girl would just show up and knock on the door
04:12.23roscivsLone_Wanderer was getting all excited. lol.
04:12.23Lone_Wandererand say "Hey, let's get married."
04:12.23leviProbably the best way is to get married. ;)
04:12.29Lone_WandererNo dating.
04:12.41roscivsArranged marriages. A wonderful thing.
04:12.45Lone_WandererDefinitely.
04:12.50Lone_WandererActually I've got one of those coming up in a few years.
04:12.51roscivsShould've been born Indian.
04:12.54Lone_WandererGirl I used to work with.
04:13.03Lone_WandererWe agreed that when we hit 30 if we were still single we'd get married.
04:13.21Lone_WandererSo maybe I'll just wait.
04:13.52leviI think the girl who got married today was 30.  Sometimes it takes a while to find the right one.
04:14.10Lone_WandererWell, the fact that I spend virtually no time looking for "the right one" may have something to do with it.
04:14.51leviIndeed.
04:15.14leviI spent a lot of time not looking, mostly because I didn't know how to look and had other things to keep me occupied.
04:15.34Lone_WandererThat describes my situation well.
04:16.33leviThe story of how I ended up marrying my wife is kind of interesting.
04:17.11Lone_WandererDo tell.
04:17.18leviShe lived across the condo parking lot from where I was living, and I ran into her in the parking lot one day after a ward activity.
04:17.37tensai"ran into" as in car crash?
04:17.41leviI thought she was kind of cute and she did remember me, so I figured that I was certainly going to befriend her.
04:18.07levitensai: She was in a car, I was not.  No physical collision was involved.
04:18.41tensailucky thing then, if you weren't in a car
04:19.31leviAnyway, later I cooked up some excuse to knock on her door, and she invited me in and we chatted for a while about books, since I discovered she had quite a bookshelf.
04:19.47leviShe was friendly, but not the least bit interested.
04:20.58Lone_WandererBut you won her over
04:20.59leviAnyway, I was undeterred, and I continued to invite myself over on occasion and sit by her at church and such.  Meanwhile, I had decided that I was going to make a concerted effort to learn the names of everyone at church that I could, and greet them all by name if I got a chance.
04:21.00Lone_Wandererwith your charm
04:21.04Lone_Wandererand your savoir faire
04:21.11leviNo, not really. :)
04:21.25Lone_WandererWell you won her over *somehow* anyway.
04:21.49leviI figured I didn't have a chance with her, so I just said hi and talked with her whenever I got a  chance.  Didn't ask her out or anything.
04:22.35Lone_Wandererok
04:22.45leviMeanwhile, I got to know a lot of people.
04:23.01leviAt least, I got to know their names and said hi to them all at church.
04:23.37leviFor someone as minimally social as myself, this was... difficult, but eventually became kind of a fun game.
04:24.55leviSo, I ended up hanging out with her and her friend quite a bit, and I let them do a 'makeover' on me, in which I got a new wardrobe and haircut and stuff.
04:25.58Lone_Wanderercool
04:26.05maquis~lart boys
04:26.11leviSounds silly, but it was actually quite a confidence boost.
04:26.13Lone_WandererHa ha!
04:26.22Lone_WandererWe're intermingled with the non-terrorist (i.e. female) population.
04:26.28Lone_WandererYou just killed millions of civilians!
04:26.54maquisLone_Wanderer: if they were all male, i don't care too much at the moment
04:27.06leviAnd it also made me look a lot more attractive in her eyes, which didn't hurt things. :)
04:27.10Lone_Wanderercivilians, in this case, are female.
04:27.14Lone_Wanderer:)
04:27.30maquisLone_Wanderer: oh... now i see what you're saying
04:27.51maquis~lart cute single boys who aren't interested....
04:27.58leviAnyway, now that I knew pretty much everyone in the ward and looked good and had confidence, I started getting a lot of dates.
04:27.58maquisthat better?
04:28.02Lone_WandererThat works.
04:28.24leviAnd I'd call her up and ask advice and tell her how they went and such.
04:28.48Lone_Wandereron purpose?
04:28.52Lone_WandererI mean
04:28.54leviYeah, we were friends.
04:29.01Lone_Wandererdid you do this because you knew it'd make you more desirable?
04:29.33leviNo, just because I liked talking with her, and we were interested in each other's lives.
04:29.54maquisdoes that type of thing make girls more desirable to guys?
04:30.09Lone_Wandererk
04:30.19Lone_Wandererno, it's annoying as heck
04:30.23maquisLone_Wanderer: ok
04:30.26maquisjust checking
04:30.27leviWe talked all the time at this point, we were really good friends.
04:30.36Lone_Wandererbut demonstrating that he's dateable could potentially make him more desirable
04:30.38Lone_Wanderercool
04:31.00maquislevi: did you ask her out much?
04:31.14levimaquis: I never asked her out on dates.  We just hung out all the time.
04:31.24maquisand by "started getting a lot of dates", you mean that a lot of girls accepted dates?
04:31.31Lone_WandererOf course.
04:31.35Lone_WandererHe knows Lisp.
04:31.40Lone_WandererIf that doesn't turn a girl on I don't know what will!
04:31.42levimaquis: Meaning I started asking them out, and they said yes.
04:31.46maquislevi: good
04:32.03Lone_WandererI can link you to an article that explains it, maquis.
04:32.17Lone_Wandererhttp://www.staff.newcastle.ac.uk/nikolas.lloyd/evolve/askout.html
04:32.29Lone_WandererWhy asking her out is terrifying.  (It's an evolved response.)
04:32.35leviIndeed.
04:32.40leviI didn't ask girls out because I was afraid.
04:33.02maquisthere's very little to be afraid of
04:33.04leviAnd that fear showed, so none of them were ever interested when I did work up the nerve.
04:33.14levimaquis: Ha!  How little you know.
04:33.37maquislevi: i'll admit that i'm not the typical girl... but in my experience, most girls are pretty flattered to get asked out
04:33.47maquisat least those of us who are used to not getting asked out
04:33.55leviFlattered, but ultimately uninterested.
04:34.27maquisas long as the girl knows the guy reasonably well (asking out a girl who barely knows you is a good way to get a "no thanks"), a lot of girls will accept, and usually enjoy it
04:34.34leviFor guys who are not used to asking out, that is just as much as a rejection as being turned down.
04:34.36Lone_WandererIf you consider that humans evolved in a situation where the available women of mating age were few in number, then asking someone out (in the prehistoric context) and getting rejected was potentially as damaging to your ability to reproduce as death
04:34.52Lone_Wandererthen I think it makes sense that asking someone out would inspire fear.  we can't afford to get it wrong.
04:35.40leviThe trick is to play a mind game with yourself, to make yourself NOT CARE whether the girl is going to like you or not.
04:35.57Lone_WandererWhich, you must admit, is a bit of a catch-22.
04:36.06leviYes.
04:36.25maquisi guess i can kind-of understand
04:37.03maquisactually, it's kind of dangerous... i can flirt much better (and much more naturally) with guys i'm not interested in than with whatever guy i happen to be interested in
04:37.12leviAnyway, I ended up going on a lot of dates in this period, and forming some potential relationships with a lot of girls, but I still had a great fear of taking things to the next level (holding hands, kissing, etc) so they didn't go anywhere.
04:37.13maquiswhich means that both groups get the wrong idea
04:37.32levimaquis: This is precicely my point.
04:37.39leviprecisely, even.
04:37.45maquisit's really frustrating
04:38.13leviThe trick is not forming a signficant amount of interest in the people you have interest in.
04:38.30maquislevi: but...  how?
04:38.33maquisLone_Wanderer: ??
04:38.37Lone_Wandererover IM
04:38.40maquisouch
04:38.46Lone_WandererYeah.
04:38.47maquiserm... i'm sorry
04:38.57maquisasking her on a date?
04:38.59levimaquis: By expending all your social effort in getting to know new people.
04:39.01Lone_WandererWell.
04:39.05Lone_WandererWe've been out.
04:39.18Lone_WandererThis is the "We've been out a few times and I'm just not interested.  Let's be friends."
04:39.24maquisoh
04:39.24leviLone_Wanderer: I hate that.
04:39.32Lone_WandererYeah me too.
04:39.59maquisLone_Wanderer: if it's any consolation, it's probably not a fun conversation for her, either
04:40.04maquisbut that probably doesn't help
04:40.05Lone_WandererGood point.
04:40.10Lone_WandererIt does actually.
04:40.15leviBut if you are casually dating two or three girls (not leading them on, just going out to get to know them) at any time, and you haven't invested serious emotional attatchment in any of them, it's far easier to deal with.
04:40.31Lone_WandererThat is an excellent point.
04:40.33maquisas long as all 3 know that you're dating other people... :)
04:40.46maquisotherwise you've got more things to deal with
04:40.52leviWell, at that point, it shouldn't be a 'relationship', it should be a given that you're dating other people.
04:40.56Lone_WandererI had two dates to a dance once.
04:41.01Lone_WandererThat was not fun.
04:41.07Lone_WandererAnd I did totally the wrong thing.
04:41.59maquiserm.....
04:42.05maquishow'd you do that?
04:42.15Lone_WandererI called this girl named Emily
04:42.17leviI had two dates at the same time once.  It was a date auction gone awry, because I was terribly socially inept at that point, and a large number of people had taken pity on me.  They were nice girls, though, and I think we all had a reasonably nice time.
04:42.17maquisand exactly what was "totally the wrong thing"?
04:42.25Lone_WandererOh no wait, first
04:42.30Lone_WandererI called this other girl I had a crush on.
04:42.45Lone_WandererWho I was friends with, but she was going with her boyfriend.
04:43.03Lone_WandererSo I called Emily.  She was a French foreign exhcange student.  We talked sometimes, she was really nice.
04:43.14Lone_WandererAnd she couldn't either.  She was going bowling.
04:43.23Lone_WandererSo then I went "Well dang.  Guess I'm not going."
04:43.42Lone_WandererThen the first girl called back.  Her boyfriend had something to do or whatnot.  So I was going with the girl I had a crush on.
04:44.03Lone_WandererThen Emily called back too and said, hey, bowling's off.  Let's go.
04:44.09maquisuh oh
04:44.12Lone_WandererYeah.
04:44.20maquisso... did you explain the whole situation?
04:44.26Lone_Wandereryes
04:44.27Lone_Wandererbut
04:44.29maquisand?
04:44.30Lone_WandererI could have just gone with her.
04:44.36Lone_Wandererwith Emily.  I should have.
04:44.51Lone_WandererThe other girl wouldn't have cared.
04:45.22Lone_WandererBut I didn't and Emily was obviously really hurt and never talked to me again :(
04:45.32leviOops.
04:45.34maquisbut you wanted to go with the girl you had a crush on
04:45.36Lone_WandererYeah.
04:45.38Lone_WandererYes, I did.
04:45.53maquiswell...  she called back first... but yeah... that's a pain...
04:46.14maquisgoing with a girl who has a boyfriend would probably be weird regardless, though
04:46.16leviHow did you explain it to Emily?
04:46.28Lone_WandererI just said that I had a date already and that I'm sorry but I couldn't go with her.
04:46.52maquishow did the other girl's bf handle the whole thing?
04:47.02Lone_WandererOh, we were friends.  Me and her and her best friend.
04:47.06Lone_WandererI had a crush on her best friend too.
04:47.16Lone_WandererBut I knew she was serious about her BF and it wasn't a big deal.
04:48.15maquismmk
04:52.43maquisas far as the fear of asking a girl out, i've found that it's kinda cute, and rather flattering if the guy gets tongue-tied in the middle... it means that they are a bit nervous, and that's kinda cute...
04:52.56maquisi don't know if that helps or hurts... but :)
04:52.59Lone_WandererIt means he's not likely to cheat on you.
04:53.28maquisLone_Wanderer: i guess that's one way to see it
04:53.31Lone_WandererIf he's scared to ask you out, then when he gets you he'll stick with you.  If he's not scared at all then he thinks he can get another girl any time and is less likely to stick around.
04:53.48Lone_WandererOn the other hand, if he's too scared to ask you out at all then he's a wimp.
04:54.00Lone_WandererSorry, I've just been reading all these articles on evolutionary psychology.
04:54.04mheathUgh, gonna have bad heartburn tonight =\
04:54.06maquisi guess consciously, i see it more as "he actually really *wants* to go out with me"... :)
04:54.15Lone_Wanderer:)
04:54.18maquisas opposed to just wanting to go out with *someone*
04:55.20mheathHaha.
04:55.29Lone_WandererHey.
04:55.32Lone_WandererThis is how I work.
04:55.33maquisLone_Wanderer: lol
04:55.37Lone_WandererLearn rules and apply them judiciously.
04:55.51mheathhmmm
04:55.54mheathhot wings good
04:56.00mheathacid entering throat bad
04:56.09maquisall right... i've given some advice for the day.... :)  now... i just need to figure out what guys like...
04:56.41Lone_WandererSmart girls.
04:57.25maquisfood?
04:57.40Lone_WandererFood good.
04:57.47mheathOorah.
04:58.23nick125_yes food very good..
04:58.31mheaththis packs quite a kick
04:58.32mheathwow
04:58.52Lone_WandererI think the rule I have about girls also applies to guys.
04:59.11mheathmaquis, Most will love you for it, I think
04:59.20mheathGuys are nervous about women
04:59.41mheathalways looking for a date, for a girlfriend, but constantly very nervous about asking anyone (except for a very select group of guys)
04:59.44Lone_WandererNamely, that guys are individuals first
04:59.47Lone_Wandererand guys second
04:59.55Lone_Wandererand that therefore no rule will apply to them universally
04:59.59maquismy mom always says i need to work on playing hard-to-get, but i just feel like that would just make the guy scared...
05:00.27mheathmaquis, haha, I can tell you that for me at least, thats horrible
05:00.33mheath*horrible advice
05:00.37Lone_WandererSame for me.
05:00.50Lone_WandererHistorically, I've only dated girls who pursue me to some degree.
05:01.59mheathmaquis, Guys like girls that like them!
05:02.14mheathAnd if you play 'hard to get' your likely to give off the direct impression that you're not at all interested
05:02.16Lone_WandererI agree.  A girl liking me makes me like her more.
05:02.26Lone_WandererSome guys go for the whole chasing thing.
05:02.33mheathI'll tell you.....if any of the girls I'm at all interested in asked me out...
05:02.37Lone_WandererLike I said, I don't think it's possible to apply any rule universally.
05:02.57maquis:)
05:03.03maquisno rule works for everyone
05:03.04maquis:)
05:03.12maquiswith girls, guys, etc
05:03.12mheathOr even if someone I didn't really know asked me out....
05:03.13maquis:)
05:03.15mheathI'd be blown away :)
05:03.21mheathThats just me, desperate for love, though
05:04.24Lone_WandererI got asked out by someone I didn't know once.
05:04.50Lone_WandererIt was a guy.
05:04.53Lone_WandererI politely declined.
05:04.53mheathHahaha.
05:05.21mheathHeh, I've only had two girls who really had a big crush on me
05:05.44mheathOne of them was rather dumb and the most physically repulsive person I've met.....
05:05.54Lone_Wanderer:(
05:05.56Lone_WandererThat's sad.
05:05.59mheath(not talking about looks...like, her hygiene practices and stuff......)
05:06.03Lone_Wandererahh
05:06.09Lone_Wandererthat's still sad though
05:06.29mheathLone_Wanderer, Call me sexist, but I like women that SMELL GOOD!
05:06.54Lone_WandererI had a date with two girls at once, one time.  (Long story, don't ask.)  One of the girls talked constantly but had nothing to say; the other was intelligent and interesting but couldn't get a word in edgewise.
05:07.00mheathShe was rather dumb, though. Had me read these rambling, pointless articles she kept trying to submit to the school newspaper
05:07.14mheathEvery one of them sounded like a 3 year old had written it
05:07.19maquishmm...
05:07.20Lone_Wanderer:(
05:07.29Lone_WandererThat's really too bad.
05:07.36mheathThere was another girl who had a crush on me......
05:07.37Lone_WandererAnd wanting your potential mate to smell good is hardly sexist.
05:07.40mheathThat was back in 8th grade
05:07.47maquisso, does it annoy guys when a girl asks for help with something?  (particularly if it's something the guy is really good at, and the girl's struggling a bit)
05:07.48mheathTo this day I'm still trying to figure out why anyone had a crush on the 8th grade me =\
05:08.17mheathmaquis, For me, that'd depend:
05:08.19mheathLike:
05:08.28mheath(maquis to buff guy): Help me lift this heavy thing
05:08.36mheathThats cute :)
05:08.50maquiswhat about with something school-related?
05:08.53mheath(maquis to guy): Come spend hours helping me with advanced mathematics
05:08.57mheathNot so cute
05:09.00mheathIMHO
05:09.04maquisie, "i'm having a bit of trouble with this project... can you give me a hint?"
05:09.16Lone_WandererI used to ask this girl I worked with for help with Unix stuff 'cause first, she was good at it, second she was cute, and third, listening her talk about it made me practically swoon in ecstacy.
05:09.19mheathI dunno =\
05:09.45Lone_Wandererbut I have an intelligence fetish
05:10.02mheathI've given up looking for girls for a bit
05:10.02maquisLone_Wanderer: trust me... it's kinda nice for a girl geek to have a guy ask for help with something computer-related
05:10.11maquiseven if the guy isn't a computer guy
05:10.26mheathI'm leaving for USMC boot in a few months now
05:10.32Lone_Wanderercool
05:10.35mheathI started to realize....
05:10.48mheathAll the relationships I've been in so far have been so immature and short
05:10.54maquisi had one guy come to me one time completely embarrassed because he had tried everything he could think of, and his windows box wouldn't work, and he asked me not to tell any of the other guys in our ward that he had asked me for help...
05:11.01maquishe was that embarrassed about coming to a girl for help
05:11.02mheathI'd never get into anything serious enough to even last through my boot camp at this point
05:11.08Lone_Wanderer*that's* sexist.
05:11.36maquisLone_Wanderer: but how many guys actually will go to a girl for computer help?
05:11.50Lone_WandererWell, me and the guy in your ward apparently.
05:12.06Lone_WandererBut I have an incentive to do so.
05:12.32Lone_WandererIt's just finding a girl who knows more than me about computers that's the challenge.
05:12.33mheathmaquis, I would, but....I just don't know any girls (other than you) who are good with computers
05:12.40maquismheath: :)
05:12.47maquisit's an interesting thing
05:12.49Lone_WandererThough I'm sure you would qualify.
05:12.55mheathProbably just because I'm not around many women in a setting where I even discover what their computer skill level is
05:13.17mheathHeh
05:13.19leviAlso because, sadly, there are not many women in the computer field.
05:13.25Lone_WandererOkay, the rejecter and I have just finished our conversation and she's gone to bed.
05:13.28Lone_WandererSo I'm going to do the same.
05:13.30mheathAt school, in my programming and web design classes, I'm known as a really big geek
05:13.35maquisi'v efound that guys who are more technical sometimes have an easier time going to a girl with a question...
05:13.38maquissometimes not...
05:13.45maquisbut in general, it seems to go that way...
05:13.47mheathTechnically competent, opionated about Microsoft, spend a lot of time programming, etc.
05:13.48maquisi'm not sure why that is
05:14.12maquismheath: :)  
05:14.18Lone_WandererIf you're smart you don't feel threatened by asking for help.
05:14.42Lone_WandererI was a wimp growing up, so I hate to ask for help lifting things.
05:14.57mheathHeh
05:15.00maquisLone_Wanderer: that might actually be the reason...
05:15.16Lone_Wandereranyway
05:15.18Lone_Wandererbedtime
05:15.21mheathI was a wimp growing up, so I'm going into the United States Marine Corp which will force people to respect that I am a physically and mentally tough killing machine :)
05:15.22maquisand i guess if you know your question isn't a stupid one, you're less afraid of asking :)
05:15.24maquisLone_Wanderer: gnight
05:15.26Lone_Wandererholy... 11:15
05:15.31Lone_Wandererg'night you two m's
05:15.35mheathheh
05:15.40maquisLone_Wanderer: 11:15 is late?
05:15.42maquisman
05:15.44Lone_Wanderermheath: I tried to join the marines.  Couldn't.  Long story.
05:15.46Lone_WandererYeah, for me it is.
05:15.50Lone_WandererI get up at 5 am.
05:15.55mheathIts amazing, the level of respect you get related to the USMC
05:16.07mheathMe: "I'm going into the Marines in a few months....."
05:16.19mheathOthers: "Wow. Thats tough man....I got nothing but respect for you"
05:16.25mheathI get responses like that all the time. its kinda neat :)
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05:19.16xbmodder_lappyplease tell me there is talking in the corpse bride, and its not all black and white
05:19.35mheath.....
05:20.03leviOr this weekend, rather.
05:20.40levixbmodder_lappy: There is talking and it's not all black and white.  And there's plenty of Danny Elfman goodness.
05:20.47xbmodder_lappyoh, I have only watched about 3 minutes of it...
05:20.53xbmodder_lappyvery cool.
05:21.09leviSo, log off and watch it.
05:21.11xbmodder_lappyhow much of it is a musical?
05:21.37leviWatch it and find out.
05:21.47xbmodder_lappyc ya
05:22.24mheathxbmodder_lappy, did you never see the Nightmare Before Christmas?!
05:25.09xbmodder_lappyno
05:27.39mheathwatching that first would probably make you appreciate the Corpse Bride more
05:27.50mheathIdentical style, but IMHO Nightmare Before Christmas is better
05:36.37elglevi: why?
05:37.08levielg: A couple of the blog entries were annoying.
05:37.21elgit looks like there were only a couple total
05:37.41leviWell, maybe bloglines got confused.
05:38.56leviMainly the 'Top 10 Reasons Linux pwns Your OS' thing.
05:39.07elgoh, I didn't read that
05:39.47leviI have to wonder how long Scott Morris has been a Linux user.
05:42.44leviA couple of the blogs on there seem to have a strong "I'm so great, Linux is so great, and look how awesome I am!" vibe.  Maybe I'm just imagining it.
05:42.58maquiswhee... the room is spinning....
05:43.14levimaquis: This doesn't sound good.
05:43.22maquislevi: that's what i was thinking too
05:43.51sprlevi, I agree, I ignore those.
05:43.57leviHow much sleep have you got lately?
05:44.05maquislevi: more than a couple days ago
05:44.09mheathYou know what
05:44.16mheathI've gotten tired of the whole open source debate
05:44.35mheathI really don't think that theres some great moral reason to support only Open Source software anymore
05:44.43mheathOr that commercial software is horrible
05:44.53mheathI live in a Capitalist society
05:45.05xbmodder_lappyHmm I don't even have a check card...
05:45.09xbmodder_lappyand Bank of America is asking for it.
05:45.14mheathWhoever can provide me the best product at a price I'm happy with, I'll go with them
05:45.37mheathWhether it be free or not, I don't care
05:46.17leviI just get annoyed at people who blog with an overconfident voice about complex issues as if they were incredibly simple, and of course their take on it is the right one.
05:46.41levis/blog/communicate
05:47.28maquisin case anyone happened to be worried, walking over to the kitchen and back seems to have made the world stop spinning
05:47.32maquis(and shaking)
05:47.44elgsounds like blood sugar
05:47.59leviI may be guilty of this myself on occasion, but when I catch myself I try to only present things with the confidence level they objectively deserve.
05:48.24xbmodder_lappymheath, That dog is cool!
05:52.19maquiselg: maybe
05:52.22maquisbanana helped
05:53.36elghappens to me occasionally, usually when I haven't eaten enough recently
05:54.36elgso I took a look at git today
05:56.39levielg: That's Linus' new source control system?
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06:08.35elgyeah
06:09.07nick125yay, my pykillall script worked..(it kills all PIDs on your system)
06:09.23mheathnick125, does it kill PID 1? =P
06:09.46nick125mheath: it tries to, but, doesn't succeed..
06:09.55nick125but, when you kill everything but pid 1..
06:09.58mheathI have a script that shuts down everything
06:10.05mheaththen starts up a minimal X11 server
06:10.11mheathfor gaming
06:11.18xbmodder_lappygoozbach, don't you have that too
06:11.39nick125xbmodder_lappy: hey...theres something I need you to test for me
06:12.05xbmodder_lappyno...
06:12.39nick125xbmodder_lappy: why not
06:13.26nick125xbmodder_lappy: you sure you dont want to test it?
06:30.49xbmodder_lappywhat is it..
06:31.32nick125xbmodder_lappy: look in PM, we got a slight problem
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06:40.29maquis-lart bonez39
06:43.30bonez39maquis, howdy
06:43.39bonez39~lart brac
06:52.29maquisbonez39: how's it going?
07:14.08bonez39maquis, is ok, but my gtk-gnutella is broken...
07:14.38bonez39I want to find a few songs..by Stacey Kent..a british jazz singer..and used to be able to just fire up gtk-gnutella and find anything I wanted instantly, but now, it won't load on my system..
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07:30.11xbmodder_lappybonez39, use itunes music store ;-)
07:31.12xbmodder_lappywhats wrong with it
07:34.04bonez39xbmodder1, nothing at all man..nothing at all......
07:47.13bonez39xbmodder1, found a newer gtk version..I am happy now
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08:39.29knoppixKnoppix 5.0 is now available for download.  For English try: http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/609821/Knoppix_V5_0_DVD_2006_02_25_EN_iso
08:39.31brac[Knoppix V5 0 DVD 2006 02 25 EN iso » Torrentspy.com]
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14:38.02ScytheBlade1Need someone's help..
14:38.11ScytheBlade1http://dev.brantleyonline.com/wiki/ <-- that link work at all?
14:41.28atoponceyeah. works fine
14:41.31ScytheBlade1phew
14:41.57ScytheBlade1I had to switch my router over from my custom made embedded one, to some generic belkin that only seems to partially work
14:48.54maquishttp://www.fincher.org/CoinStacking/index.shtml
14:48.55brac[New Coin Stacking Picture of the Day]
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19:20.19emcnabbwhen I go to www.google.com I'm being redirected to www.google.it; is anyone else seeing this?
19:20.31roscivsnot me
19:20.34roscivswhat's your ip?
19:20.43roscivsgoogle does that if they think your ip is in that country iirc
19:20.55Hhhhhemcnabb, I don't know, maybe you need to switch to Windows so staht the problem goes away
19:21.06emcnabbit's in a hotel in Chicago
19:21.09emcnabbHhhhh: haha
19:21.13xbmodder_lappyhaha
19:21.20roscivsdoes this chicago hotel have an italian ip address? :)
19:21.22Hhhhh:)
19:21.47xbmodder_lappyemcnabb, what is your IP?
19:21.49emcnabbroscivs: checking it out
19:21.56roscivsTry something like http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm to see if Somebody thinks so
19:21.58brac[IP Address Locator - Enter an IP address to find its location - Lookup Country Region City etc]
19:25.50emcnabbI have a private IP, and the next router along the way also has a private IP; all the other hops seem to be here in the US
19:26.14Hhhhhemcnabb, it's probably the Italian maffia in Chicago
19:26.26Hhhhhemcnabb, you should stop messing around with that or...
19:26.35emcnabbHhhhh: they're east of where I'm at
19:28.36xbmodder_lappydo a tracepath, and see if you see and hops that contain it
19:29.24emcnabbI did that; that's why I said all the other hops seem to be in the US
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19:33.39xbmodder_lappycool
19:33.57xbmodder_lappyemcnabb, I thought you were just checking via geobytes
19:42.09roscivsis it just me or is wikipedia down?
19:43.23xbmodder_lappyits down it seems
19:44.54roscivsnuts.
20:00.06xbmodder_lappyI love watching traffic...
20:01.25xbmodder_lappyEspecially on anonymous proxies
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20:36.37nick125_xbmodder_lappy: lol
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21:51.42QBFreakarg
21:52.02QBFreak~arg
21:52.03ibotarg is, like, that in there?
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22:10.19leviGood afternoon, #utahns.
22:39.29emcnabbGood afternoon.
22:42.07findlaygOOD aFTERNOON?
22:42.58findlaysome other ward choir came in and unceremoniously interrupted my precious organ practice time
23:18.51SpecialKjust open the stops and keep playing. It'n not like they can drown you out
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23:28.45goozbach"hypothetically I have a friend who pulls hard drives out of SCO's trash"
23:28.51goozbachgreat thread!
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23:30.11dilvieum
23:33.16findlayyeah
23:33.49findlayI thought about replying with something just like that
23:35.23dilviehaha

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