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| 01:00.49 | hans | -lart tene |
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| 01:00.57 | hans | -lart tensai |
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| 02:08.39 | maquis | -lart headaches |
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| 03:01.30 | spr | mmm..beta amarok |
| 03:02.42 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See openclue.org/ut, sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org || Tickets/Info for X-Men 3 coming soon || goozbach now has his own banana republic |
| 03:03.05 | tensai | yay, I killed elg! |
| 03:03.26 | maquis | tensai: why'd you do that? |
| 03:03.39 | tensai | gotta kill something |
| 03:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | What's with people having +o lately? |
| 03:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Reminds me of my other IRC channel... 16 people where one of them has voice, the rest are ops ;) |
| 03:04.27 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: i went on a power trip, and never came off of it |
| 03:04.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 03:04.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I don't blame you :) |
| 03:04.39 | maquis | :) |
| 03:04.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Just you know |
| 03:04.50 | ScytheBlade1 | morbidly curious ;) |
| 03:04.52 | maquis | :) |
| 03:05.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "I'm not questioning the ops! I swear!" |
| 03:05.17 | maquis | we do have a good number of us, i suppose |
| 03:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | <ScytheBlade1> "I'm not questioning the ops! I swear!" |
| 03:05.20 | tensai | goo and maquis use irssi so they don't log out. Jayce^ just auto ops. |
| 03:05.29 | tensai | irssi in screen, that is |
| 03:05.35 | maquis | but goo's been away from his computer for a while... |
| 03:05.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I guessed as much |
| 03:05.42 | maquis | ChanServ's a bot |
| 03:05.50 | maquis | Jayce^ is just Jayce^ |
| 03:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I used to do that, then I realized that I enjoy xchat too much |
| 03:05.57 | maquis | ibot's a bot |
| 03:06.03 | maquis | so, that leaves me on my power trip :) |
| 03:06.07 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 03:06.13 | tensai | ScytheBlade1: same here. I installed ctrlproxy which is an irc proxy. |
| 03:06.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I used to use psybnc |
| 03:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But got lazy |
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| 03:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus the different network screwed up my logging file names |
| 03:06.47 | tensai | this is the only network I ever use. makes it simple |
| 03:07.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm on three at a minimum usually... sometimes four |
| 03:07.12 | ScytheBlade1 | 680M/home/kyle/.xchat2/xchatlogs |
| 03:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 03:07.25 | maquis | i don't bother logging too much |
| 03:07.32 | maquis | the channels i'm on log |
| 03:07.44 | maquis | and i don't bother logging the PMs |
| 03:07.45 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.15 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, actually, just to make your power trip complete |
| 03:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Go ahead and kick me ;) |
| 03:08.49 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.55 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: you want me to? |
| 03:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I have auto rejoin on ;) |
| 03:09.07 | tensai | maquis: try kicking the tylenol |
| 03:09.20 | maquis | tensai: nah... i want that to stick around |
| 03:09.30 | *** kick/#utah [ScytheBlade1!n=maquis@joanna.zmonkey.org] by maquis ()) |
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| 03:09.52 | ScytheBlade1 | There you go |
| 03:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Feel better? ;) |
| 03:10.23 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: of course :) |
| 03:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | All right, I'm tired of this |
| 03:10.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone here running moz suite on linux + adblock? |
| 03:10.53 | ScytheBlade1 | It *refuses* to install for me |
| 03:10.58 | findlay | ScytheBlade1: don't tempt maquis' despotic corruption |
| 03:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ findlay |
| 03:11.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I just satisfied it... feeding the beast to prevent an outrage ;) |
| 03:11.50 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.22 | maquis | tensai: elg's back... you can kill him again |
| 03:13.49 | maquis | -lart nan |
| 03:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, that didn't work either |
| 03:16.21 | maquis | why the #$%^ is everything "nan"?????? |
| 03:18.06 | atoponce | ScytheBlade1: mozilla or firefox? |
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| 03:18.11 | ScytheBlade1 | mozilla suite |
| 03:18.24 | atoponce | ah. ok. i have adblock running great on firefox. |
| 03:18.33 | atoponce | couldn't live without it |
| 03:18.37 | ScytheBlade1 | So does the rest of the world ;) |
| 03:18.43 | ScytheBlade1 | but in moz suite... that's another story |
| 03:18.53 | atoponce | so why moz over fox? |
| 03:19.15 | findlay | maquis: trying to do some transfinite arithmetic with libc? |
| 03:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Just overall looks with the modern theme |
| 03:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of the real dev takes place in the moz/seamonkey trunk |
| 03:19.46 | ScytheBlade1 | FF feels the effects later down the road ;) |
| 03:20.17 | atoponce | interesting |
| 03:20.45 | maquis | findlay: no... just trying to do things like atof("26.8") and such |
| 03:20.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I get newer stuff, faster basically ;) |
| 03:21.00 | atoponce | good point |
| 03:21.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus I just like the look and feel of the modern theme far better than FF's |
| 03:21.19 | atoponce | there is a modern theme for fox, no? |
| 03:21.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure |
| 03:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Not by default anyways |
| 03:21.58 | atoponce | no, not by default |
| 03:22.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And even then, I like the suite's options/prefs a lot better |
| 03:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | This is making me mad though (adblock) |
| 03:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Never had this issue before, either |
| 03:23.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting permission denied on install of adblock |
| 03:23.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite a chmod 777 on my profile |
| 03:23.44 | atoponce | that's odd |
| 03:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | You're telling me |
| 03:24.32 | atoponce | i don't know how close this theme is, but: |
| 03:24.33 | atoponce | https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?applicationfirefox&id1613&pagepreviews |
| 03:25.12 | atoponce | another one: |
| 03:25.12 | atoponce | https://addons.mozilla.org/themes/moreinfo.php?id9&applicationfirefox |
| 03:25.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "Mozilla Update :: Error", " Error 1: Theme ID is Invalid or Missing." |
| 03:25.35 | ScytheBlade1 | On both of those ;) |
| 03:25.54 | atoponce | ?? |
| 03:26.03 | atoponce | can't install the theme? |
| 03:26.21 | ScytheBlade1 | No, the links you pasted are dead |
| 03:26.31 | ScytheBlade1 | close FF and try to open them |
| 03:26.43 | goozbach | ~lart crazy females |
| 03:27.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol uh |
| 03:27.57 | atoponce | hahaha |
| 03:28.00 | atoponce | how odd is that |
| 03:28.00 | goozbach | ummm... |
| 03:28.00 | atoponce | ? |
| 03:28.04 | findlay | goozbach: are the girls weird in Florida? |
| 03:28.24 | atoponce | can't copy and paste a url?? |
| 03:28.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:28.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't worry too much about it |
| 03:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I like my moz suite ;) |
| 03:28.46 | goozbach | findlay: in a good way.(they seem to be attracted to me) |
| 03:28.46 | atoponce | eh... |
| 03:28.53 | atoponce | that's coo |
| 03:28.56 | atoponce | s/cool |
| 03:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | So... why the ~lart? |
| 03:29.34 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: don't think you want to know :) |
| 03:29.35 | findlay | girls are weird in general |
| 03:29.36 | goozbach | random drive by window knocking |
| 03:29.49 | findlay | is that like port knocking? |
| 03:29.55 | goozbach | lets just leave it at that |
| 03:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, lol, good point :D |
| 03:31.10 | maquis | goozbach: good idea to leave it at tat |
| 03:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:31.25 | *** mode/#utah [-o maquis] by goozbach |
| 03:31.34 | *** mode/#utah [-o goozbach] by goozbach |
| 03:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That + window knocking + lart + "in a good way" = makes sense ;) |
| 03:31.52 | goozbach | that ends the powertrip |
| 03:32.24 | findlay | because your trip to Florida is over, you don't need power? |
| 03:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_o |
| 03:32.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the seamonkey install.. |
| 03:33.11 | atoponce | why so large? |
| 03:33.11 | jsmith | Over 100 meg? |
| 03:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure |
| 03:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the source... |
| 03:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Yet |
| 03:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Total size of downloads: 39,449 kB |
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| 03:37.46 | atoponce | seems intriguing |
| 03:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I had to unmask a few things manually |
| 03:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Which leaves me with a few hours without my browser ;) |
| 03:38.59 | ScytheBlade1 | What to do for the rest of the night with no homework, and no browser |
| 03:39.12 | atoponce | so, seamonkey really offers just html editing and irc chat ouside of fox/tbird/sunbird apps? |
| 03:39.30 | ScytheBlade1 | seamonkey = next gen moz suite |
| 03:39.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It's moz suite (which is technically dead) with the newer engine, etc. |
| 03:40.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Basically, if you run FF + TB |
| 03:40.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Why are you running two instances of the moz engine at once? |
| 03:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Save that RAM, use one! ;) |
| 03:40.58 | atoponce | true. |
| 03:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | (Plus, it isn't catered to the mass public like FF is - the settings window is a little more uncut and raw, to my liking) |
| 03:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | As is the entire thing |
| 03:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It's more feature-full |
| 03:41.45 | ScytheBlade1 | All that FF really has compared to it, is a back/forward button, and ability to add extensions |
| 03:41.46 | atoponce | i may just try it out |
| 03:42.03 | atoponce | extensions are nice... |
| 03:42.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | At one point in time, I had over 20 |
| 03:42.26 | atoponce | and i use most of them regularly |
| 03:42.33 | atoponce | mainly web dev stuff |
| 03:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I settle with googlebar + adblock + filterset.g + switchproxy + web developer |
| 03:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | and I think that's about it |
| 03:43.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Which other ones do you use? |
| 03:43.06 | atoponce | current install: |
| 03:43.19 | atoponce | http://www.pthree.org/the-ultimate-firefox-extension-list-for-junkies/ |
| 03:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:43.38 | atoponce | minus chatzilla |
| 03:43.52 | atoponce | i need to take that off the list |
| 03:44.00 | ScytheBlade1 | right right, I abuse ColorZilla myself |
| 03:44.03 | ScytheBlade1 | useful little thing |
| 03:44.23 | atoponce | i no longer use sage either |
| 03:44.26 | ScytheBlade1 | ForecastFox I used to use |
| 03:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Then realized that I could look outside the window |
| 03:44.36 | atoponce | lol |
| 03:44.45 | ScytheBlade1 | don't use gmail, or care for google suggest (googlebar) |
| 03:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, open source in tab - I shall be using that one :) |
| 03:45.13 | atoponce | that's nice |
| 03:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, and I have UA Switcher |
| 03:45.39 | atoponce | i wish it played well with html validator |
| 03:45.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ctrl+shift+H |
| 03:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | learn it, live it, love it |
| 03:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | webdeveloper4life |
| 03:46.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 03:46.30 | atoponce | keyconfig is one that i need to add to that list |
| 03:47.08 | findlay | heh, web. Who cares for XHTML or AJAX when there is quantum field theory? |
| 03:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | AJAX is just JS anyways ;) |
| 03:47.35 | atoponce | or teleportation for that matter... |
| 03:47.41 | atoponce | <no pun intended> |
| 03:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:50.24 | nick125 | lol |
| 03:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm |
| 03:51.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I *could* go to sleep |
| 03:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Instead of dwindling away the minutes on IRC |
| 03:52.11 | findlay | hey ScytheBlade1, look over there |
| 03:52.26 | findlay | isn't that interesting? |
| 03:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | what? where? |
| 03:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | oooo shiny |
| 03:54.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious |
| 03:54.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Is anyone here attending the UofU currently? |
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| 03:58.11 | findlay | I used to work there |
| 03:58.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | did you recieve an education there? ;) |
| 03:58.43 | findlay | no |
| 03:59.18 | findlay | I did undergraduate high energy labratory astroparticle physics |
| 04:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 04:01.50 | tensai | findlay: so what's the relationship of astroparticle physics and classical music? |
| 04:03.11 | findlay | not much unless you're willing to launder your inferences through the medieval |
| 04:06.05 | tensai | laundering is for clothes and money, not for inferences |
| 04:07.15 | findlay | so you don't like my definition creep? |
| 04:10.13 | maquis | lol |
| 04:12.36 | jsmith | must.... get... sleep. Eyes... growing.... tired... |
| 04:15.13 | findlay | ~wake jsmith |
| 04:15.15 | ibot | jsmith: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 04:18.07 | maquis | -lart jsmith |
| 04:18.26 | findlay | maquis: you rigged that one |
| 04:18.42 | maquis | findlay: of course :) |
| 04:19.33 | jsmith | Well, that's enough to keep me awake a few minutes longer... thanks guys (and gal) |
| 04:19.38 | maquis | :) |
| 04:19.41 | maquis | -lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:19.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:19.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I already know a decent amount of that though ;) |
| 04:20.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Try again? |
| 04:20.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Or not |
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| 04:27.44 | maquis | why the <bleep>???? |
| 04:31.43 | jsmith | I don't know... |
| 04:31.46 | findlay | ~language maquis |
| 04:31.48 | ibot | ACTION grabs maquis by the ear and washes maquis's mouth out with soap |
| 04:32.08 | maquis | hey! |
| 04:32.13 | findlay | maquis: you've been living with your roomates too much |
| 04:32.14 | maquis | that was already censored! |
| 04:32.22 | maquis | findlay: true dat! |
| 04:32.28 | maquis | floats hate me! |
| 04:32.47 | jsmith | maquis: Blame the IEEE |
| 04:33.43 | jsmith | http://www.psc.edu/general/software/packages/ieee/ieee.html |
| 04:33.44 | brac | [The IEEE standard for floating point arithmetic] |
| 04:34.13 | maquis | jsmith: why doesn't it work? |
| 04:34.27 | maquis | i'm not even trying to do anything hard |
| 04:35.06 | jsmith | Because you're assuming too much |
| 04:35.40 | maquis | printf("%s --- %f\n",variable,atof(variable)); <-- that should work, right? |
| 04:35.57 | maquis | assuming variable is pointing to something that can be translated to a float |
| 04:36.07 | maquis | or am i *really* lost? |
| 04:37.59 | maquis | jsmith: does that make any sense? |
| 04:39.38 | jsmith | maquis: Uh, well... it looks right to me... uh... |
| 04:39.46 | maquis | jsmith: yeah |
| 04:39.50 | maquis | that's what i thought too! |
| 04:40.06 | maquis | but what it's printing out for each piece is different |
| 04:40.21 | jsmith | You realize that atof returns a double, right? |
| 04:40.29 | maquis | and then after doing 3 of them, it seg-faults... which it doesn't do if i take out the printf |
| 04:40.43 | jsmith | What does the string look like? |
| 04:40.58 | maquis | jsmith: that's what the manpage says... but wouldn't that be automatically translated to a float? |
| 04:41.06 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.59 | maquis | jsmith: if i stick in an explicit cast to float, it just prints out nan for the second one |
| 04:42.07 | jsmith | I never trust "automatically translated" values |
| 04:42.19 | maquis | '7.07' == nan |
| 04:42.26 | jsmith | Why not use strtof, which appears to do more error checking... |
| 04:43.09 | maquis | jsmith: because i'm not quite sure i understand what it wants for the parameters? |
| 04:44.55 | jsmith | #include <stdio.h> |
| 04:44.55 | jsmith | int main() |
| 04:44.55 | jsmith | { |
| 04:44.55 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.55 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:44.58 | jsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.00 | jsmith | } |
| 04:45.12 | maquis | jsmith: does that work? |
| 04:45.12 | jsmith | That gives me: 3.14159 --- 0.000000 |
| 04:45.16 | jsmith | Nope. |
| 04:45.19 | maquis | why? |
| 04:45.38 | maquis | what if you do (float)atof(test) ? |
| 04:45.42 | maquis | does that give you nan? |
| 04:46.12 | findlay | you have to dereference the pointer |
| 04:46.22 | findlay | *test |
| 04:46.38 | findlay | right? |
| 04:47.04 | maquis | findlay: atof doesn't return a pointer... |
| 04:47.17 | maquis | it takes a char* and returns a double |
| 04:47.19 | findlay | maquis: you have to dereference test |
| 04:47.24 | maquis | where? |
| 04:47.24 | findlay | oh |
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| 04:47.36 | findlay | nevermind |
| 04:48.15 | maquis | jsmith: according to http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Bowden/C/printf.html, %f will handle doubles or floats |
| 04:48.25 | maquis | so, i don't think the problem is that it's a double instead of a float |
| 04:49.37 | jsmith | Doesn't appear to be the problem, based on my tests. |
| 04:49.56 | jsmith | It appears to be the way we're calling atof |
| 04:52.00 | maquis | the way we're calling atof? |
| 04:52.02 | findlay | is there a way to torture the gnome file selector into some useability with gconf? |
| 04:52.13 | findlay | everybody left |
| 04:53.15 | maquis | yeah |
| 04:53.19 | maquis | i think i scared hem off |
| 04:56.40 | maquis | in case anyone cares, i figured out strtof, and it also gives 0.00000 |
| 04:57.35 | maquis | gah! |
| 04:57.42 | maquis | #include <stdlib.h> fixes it! |
| 04:57.53 | maquis | why it didn't complain, is another question |
| 04:58.50 | maquis | if anybody knows why it wouldn't complain about that, i'm really curious... |
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| 04:59.20 | findlay | maquis: do you have system headers installed? |
| 04:59.41 | fozzmoo | GĒĒKS! |
| 04:59.54 | findlay | ~rot13 G??KS! |
| 04:59.54 | ibot | T??XF! |
| 05:00.14 | fozzmoo | heh. |
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| 05:02.10 | fozzmoo | maquis: How come you're not on the planet? |
| 05:02.25 | maquis | fozzmoo: because i don't have rss yet |
| 05:02.32 | fozzmoo | Well, hurry up! |
| 05:02.37 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 05:02.50 | maquis | fozzmoo: it'll have to wait til reading days at the earliest |
| 05:02.59 | maquis | (just over 2 weeks) |
| 05:06.47 | findlay | stupid gnome file selector can't handle hidden dirs or files |
| 05:07.32 | fozzmoo | Can't you right-click and choose "show hidden files"? |
| 05:07.46 | findlay | aha! |
| 05:07.48 | fozzmoo | Because "that's intuitive!" |
| 05:08.12 | findlay | but where's the gconf-editor entry for it? |
| 05:08.24 | maquis | i can kind-of understand the reluctance to show hidden files by default... but it should be easy to get them |
| 05:08.49 | fozzmoo | What?! You think hidden files should be... hidden?! |
| 05:09.23 | findlay | well, I'm kind of fighting against the UNIX tradition of antiquity since I'm mapping some LOC catalog numbers with directories and files |
| 05:09.33 | fozzmoo | :) |
| 05:09.34 | findlay | and that necessitates some directories starting with '.' |
| 05:09.48 | fozzmoo | Oh- just replace that with "DOT" |
| 05:09.55 | fozzmoo | ;-) |
| 05:09.56 | findlay | no way, that's not elegant |
| 05:10.01 | findlay | (: |
| 05:10.29 | maquis | or - |
| 05:10.34 | maquis | or _ |
| 05:10.44 | findlay | or _ ? |
| 05:11.04 | findlay | can't use _ because I'm already using it for ' ' |
| 05:12.47 | maquis | ok |
| 05:12.49 | maquis | then - |
| 05:16.32 | findlay | -? |
| 05:16.53 | findlay | . is just fine for me (: |
| 05:17.19 | findlay | in fact I'm going to replace the '_'s with ' 's |
| 05:17.24 | findlay | ha |
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| 05:50.15 | findlay | fozzmoo: back for more? |
| 05:50.26 | findlay | ~fun |
| 05:50.32 | ibot | ACTION neighs like a horse, and, between hickups, mumbles 'its sooooo funny, no?' |
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| 06:44.56 | QBFreak | how in the heck did I get chocolate on my pants? |
| 06:45.28 | QBFreak | evil doughnuts! |
| 06:46.01 | QBFreak | I should order the Schlock Mercenary book....but then I wouldn't be able to talk myself into Season Three of the X-Files... |
| 06:46.13 | fozzmoo | You need to talk yourself into that? |
| 06:46.23 | QBFreak | it's the whole money factor |
| 06:46.30 | fozzmoo | Oh- purchasing it. |
| 06:46.35 | QBFreak | $40 is a bit when you make $6/hr |
| 06:46.36 | fozzmoo | Gawl, it's so expensive! |
| 06:46.57 | fozzmoo | X-Files, Star Trek... where do they get off thinking a season of episodes is worth $100 brand new?! |
| 06:47.03 | QBFreak | yarr |
| 06:47.10 | QBFreak | I paid $80 for Season One |
| 06:47.25 | fozzmoo | "Scully!" |
| 06:47.29 | fozzmoo | "Mulder!" |
| 06:47.35 | fozzmoo | Okay- now you've seen S3. |
| 06:47.38 | fozzmoo | Save your money. |
| 06:47.45 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 06:47.45 | QBFreak | :p |
| 06:48.03 | QBFreak | but I'd still be missing a whole season of Mulder quotes |
| 06:48.11 | fozzmoo | I just finished S2 of 24 tonight. |
| 06:48.23 | QBFreak | I just finished the same, but X-Files |
| 06:49.05 | fozzmoo | Someone was telling me you can get all those things from NetFlix. |
| 06:49.12 | fozzmoo | QBFreak: What app are you using? |
| 06:49.18 | QBFreak | mplayer |
| 06:49.26 | fozzmoo | Do you have nav? |
| 06:49.35 | QBFreak | nav? |
| 06:49.39 | fozzmoo | That's one thing I like about xine - it gives you the DVD navigation. |
| 06:49.46 | QBFreak | oh right |
| 06:50.10 | QBFreak | well, other than telling it which feature to play initially, I can just skip around with the arrow keys |
| 06:50.31 | fozzmoo | And xine doesn't obey those stupid DVDs that try to force you to watch all those copyright warnings and "we take no responsibility for the commentary" warnings... |
| 06:50.33 | QBFreak | but I've heard there are a few front ends to mplayer out there |
| 06:50.40 | QBFreak | heh |
| 06:50.43 | fozzmoo | Just hit F1 or ESC to jump directly to the root menu. |
| 06:50.47 | QBFreak | I didn't have to watch those either |
| 06:50.58 | QBFreak | menus? menus are for wusses! (or real people) |
| 06:51.03 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 06:51.06 | fozzmoo | Menus are fun. |
| 06:51.09 | QBFreak | yes |
| 06:51.38 | fozzmoo | S2 of 24 is presented in 16:9 w/ 5.1 surround |
| 06:51.46 | fozzmoo | Pretty nice. |
| 06:52.01 | fozzmoo | One thing I don't like about it, though... |
| 06:52.19 | fozzmoo | is that they don't have the deleted scenes features set up as "special features" |
| 06:52.27 | QBFreak | psh, I still tape things, I don't need that fancy stuff |
| 06:52.28 | fozzmoo | They did it like white rabbits from Matrix... |
| 06:52.44 | fozzmoo | You have to watch for the little subpicture icon... |
| 06:52.57 | fozzmoo | hit your remote when you see it, and then it will show you the alternate cut. |
| 06:53.00 | fozzmoo | Pretty cool... |
| 06:53.01 | QBFreak | heh nice |
| 06:53.03 | fozzmoo | except... |
| 06:53.12 | fozzmoo | it means you can't have subtitles enabled at the same time. |
| 06:53.28 | fozzmoo | selecting that "feature" picks a different subpicture channel. |
| 06:54.06 | QBFreak | hmm, I thought this evolution thingy had a calendar... |
| 06:54.07 | maquis | ?? |
| 06:54.17 | fozzmoo | It should. |
| 06:54.24 | fozzmoo | I mean, it SHOULDN'T, but it does. :) |
| 06:54.29 | QBFreak | heh |
| 06:54.39 | QBFreak | I don't care about mail, I want a nice calendar/task list app |
| 06:54.47 | fozzmoo | korganizer |
| 06:55.11 | QBFreak | ooo shiny |
| 06:57.13 | fozzmoo | Gorram organizer! |
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| 06:57.47 | maquis | QBFreak: i've been on an eternal search fora calendar/task-list app that does exactly what i want in the exact way i want it to |
| 06:57.52 | maquis | i've determined that said app doesn't exist |
| 06:57.56 | fozzmoo | nope. |
| 06:58.03 | fozzmoo | Nothing works the way YOU want it to, maquis. |
| 06:58.14 | maquis | (hopefully, sometime after i get out of school, it will come to existence...) |
| 06:58.19 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 06:58.48 | QBFreak | I ordered a Palm, not very new but I figured that increased my changes of OSS support anyway |
| 06:59.04 | QBFreak | I'll have ot find something that works with it when I get it |
| 06:59.06 | fozzmoo | Yeah. What did you get? |
| 06:59.13 | QBFreak | i750? |
| 06:59.18 | QBFreak | leme look :) |
| 06:59.21 | fozzmoo | I've got a Treo 650 |
| 06:59.37 | QBFreak | it was something like $36 |
| 06:59.41 | fozzmoo | (and a bunch of Handspring Visors before it) |
| 06:59.50 | fozzmoo | jpilot is nice. |
| 06:59.53 | QBFreak | i705 |
| 07:00.13 | fozzmoo | evolution has half-decent palm support. korganizer works pretty well with kpilot... when it works. |
| 07:00.30 | fozzmoo | kpilot is infernally busted in FC5. DUnno w hat distro you're using. |
| 07:00.40 | QBFreak | FC5 |
| 07:00.55 | fozzmoo | Oh. Well, don't use kpilot. It'll wipe everything off your Palm. :) |
| 07:01.01 | QBFreak | is it something that removing the packages and building will fix? |
| 07:01.02 | fozzmoo | I guess it's good for that. |
| 07:01.05 | QBFreak | heh |
| 07:01.14 | fozzmoo | Possibly. I haven't looked into. |
| 07:01.24 | fozzmoo | jpilot is a little flakey in FC5 too, unfortunately. |
| 07:01.28 | QBFreak | I can compile software if it doesn't require arcane command line arguments :) |
| 07:01.40 | QBFreak | well, ones I can't find/don't understand :) |
| 07:01.48 | fozzmoo | jpilot is the most minimalistic of all the GUI pilot apps for Linux I've seen. |
| 07:01.54 | fozzmoo | It looks and acts a lot like Palm Desktop. |
| 07:01.56 | QBFreak | I'll have tolook around |
| 07:01.59 | QBFreak | never played with it |
| 07:02.33 | fozzmoo | nick125_: How long have you had your Treo? |
| 07:03.17 | QBFreak | bah, only been like three business days since I ordered, hasn't shipped yet |
| 07:03.24 | nick125_ | around 5 months :P |
| 07:03.25 | QBFreak | feels like forever because of that evil weekend thing |
| 07:03.32 | nick125_ | 4-5 months |
| 07:03.46 | fozzmoo | nick125_: Do you like it? |
| 07:04.00 | nick125_ | yeah.. |
| 07:04.01 | fozzmoo | nick125_: Are you mostly just using it as a phone? Is that why you haven't synced it? |
| 07:04.17 | nick125_ | I use it mostly as a data device.. |
| 07:04.22 | fozzmoo | :-D |
| 07:04.24 | maquis | why the @#$% won't this thing work????? |
| 07:04.40 | fozzmoo | maquis: You have to learn how to handle it. |
| 07:04.45 | nick125_ | I don't know where I put the hotsync cable..thats the problem |
| 07:04.47 | fozzmoo | It takes time and patience. |
| 07:05.00 | maquis | fozzmoo: i wish i had time and patience |
| 07:05.01 | fozzmoo | nick125_: The hotsync cable that came with the Treo sucks. |
| 07:05.09 | maquis | but this stupid project was due last thursday |
| 07:05.13 | maquis | and i can't get it working! |
| 07:05.28 | fozzmoo | nick125_: A bunch of places sell replacement cables that also let you charge via USB. |
| 07:05.35 | fozzmoo | Very convenient. |
| 07:05.49 | QBFreak | maquis: what is it? |
| 07:05.57 | nick125_ | I just use the treo cradle.. |
| 07:06.00 | maquis | QBFreak: instance-based machine learning |
| 07:06.08 | nick125_ | It's soo nice, with its extra battery door |
| 07:06.22 | fozzmoo | Ahhh. I don't have a cradle. |
| 07:07.00 | nick125_ | the main reason I got the cradle is because it has the spare battery storage |
| 07:07.30 | fozzmoo | I've never had to use a second battery. The batt life is so long... I've never really run out of juice. |
| 07:07.40 | QBFreak | maquis: sounds...complicated |
| 07:07.48 | maquis | QBFreak: it shouldn't be |
| 07:07.56 | maquis | i've just got some bugs i'm trying to catch |
| 07:08.01 | QBFreak | ah |
| 07:08.01 | nick125_ | fozzmoo: my battery usually only lasts around..2 days |
| 07:08.02 | maquis | and they're hiding |
| 07:08.12 | QBFreak | of course |
| 07:08.20 | fozzmoo | nick125_: I keep my charger by my bed so it gets a full charge every night. |
| 07:08.27 | fozzmoo | So, yeah, 2 days - plenty long. :) |
| 07:08.56 | nick125_ | its just annoying when you forget to it though |
| 07:08.58 | fozzmoo | One thing that really sucks the battery down, though, is when I use the Treo as a Bluetooth modem for my laptop. |
| 07:09.11 | nick125_ | and you wake up in the morning, and you have a near dead phone |
| 07:09.14 | fozzmoo | An hour of that... battery gets drained fast. |
| 07:09.37 | fozzmoo | Sure is nice, though, to get some work done when you're waiting for your car to get fixed. |
| 07:10.24 | fozzmoo | Or while you're waiting for your wife to have a procedure done at the hospital. |
| 07:12.24 | QBFreak | darn you dell, are standard color codings not good enough for you? |
| 07:12.39 | maquis | QBFreak: huh? |
| 07:12.44 | QBFreak | I know if you jump the green wire to the black the bomb doesn't go off... |
| 07:12.50 | QBFreak | I mean the power supply starts up |
| 07:13.03 | QBFreak | but this dell supply doesn't have green |
| 07:15.01 | maquis | ah |
| 07:15.46 | QBFreak | electronics? |
| 07:15.57 | maquis | yup |
| 07:16.07 | QBFreak | I know just enough to get myself into trouble |
| 07:17.03 | QBFreak | I had to splice some AT power supply connectors onto an ATX supply, thats how I found out about this |
| 07:19.08 | QBFreak | oh this is evil, they use the same ATX connector with a different pinout |
| 07:24.23 | fozzmoo | OMG! |
| 07:24.27 | fozzmoo | That's just completely evil. |
| 07:24.28 | QBFreak | ponies? |
| 07:24.38 | QBFreak | it is |
| 07:25.06 | QBFreak | but the good news is if I toast this box I can go pick up another identical one for free :) |
| 07:25.22 | QBFreak | all I want to do is power the supply up and poke at the fan before I change it... |
| 07:28.33 | maquis | QBFreak: how could you pick an identical one up for free? |
| 07:28.46 | maquis | or... why? |
| 07:30.28 | QBFreak | nobody wants a GX1 anymore |
| 07:30.40 | QBFreak | fastest they came was 400 or 500Mhz |
| 07:30.56 | QBFreak | problem is I had to dig to find a power supply, they all were missing them |
| 07:30.59 | QBFreak | so this is the only supply |
| 07:31.09 | QBFreak | and it has a fan so noisy I can't sleep with it on |
| 07:31.18 | QBFreak | bad bearing or something |
| 07:35.53 | QBFreak | you know what, I'm gonna go to bed early tonight, goodnight all |
| 07:52.36 | maquis | gah |
| 07:53.39 | maquis | that bug should not have taken that long to find |
| 07:57.29 | maquis | percent correct = 100.000000 |
| 07:57.31 | maquis | yay! |
| 08:34.55 | maquis | gaim died |
| 08:34.58 | maquis | welll |
| 08:35.10 | maquis | actually... it was just aim... |
| 08:35.11 | maquis | but still |
| 11:44.29 | maquis | gah |
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| 12:30.26 | maquis | hatchmt: morning |
| 12:31.18 | hatchmt | good morning |
| 12:38.31 | goozbach | GOOD morning |
| 12:46.22 | goozbach | ? |
| 12:47.09 | hatchmt | ... |
| 12:47.21 | maquis | goozbach: morning |
| 12:47.22 | maquis | :) |
| 12:48.19 | maquis | hatchmt: i agree with goozbach |
| 12:48.29 | maquis | however, it doesn't really feel like morning |
| 12:48.38 | maquis | i don't have to deal with the drowsiness of waking up today |
| 12:49.03 | maquis | so... if i'm more tired in the morning if i sleep than if i don't sleep...... |
| 12:49.50 | goozbach | well if you'd sleep more often... |
| 12:50.56 | hatchmt | ah |
| 12:51.49 | hatchmt | I've decided that from now on, if going to bed means less than five hours of sleep, it's just not worth it. |
| 12:52.03 | maquis | hatchmt: usually, my cutoff is closer to 2 |
| 12:52.17 | maquis | if my cutoff was 5, i wouldn't've slept at all in the past few weeks |
| 12:52.30 | maquis | goozbach: good point... |
| 12:52.35 | maquis | but that involves graduating |
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| 13:42.43 | ibot | pong |
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| 14:26.20 | elg | -lart tensai |
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| 15:10.17 | tensai | ~lart elg |
| 15:10.36 | tensai | what? where'd that bugger disappear to? |
| 15:11.56 | tensai | so who wants to relay a few thousand messages for me? anybody? beuller? |
| 15:12.16 | RyanE | trolling for an open relay? :) |
| 15:14.11 | tensai | trying to work around a qwest network failure |
| 15:14.28 | tensai | two of my mail servers can't talk directly to each other (or half the internet) |
| 15:16.12 | RyanE | I *hate* it when the internet is broke. |
| 15:16.59 | tensai | hang on, maybe I have a third mail server that can talk to both... |
| 15:17.04 | tensai | RyanE: you've inspired me! |
| 15:18.28 | tensai | ah, never mind. it just fixed itself. my cool idea would have worked though. |
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| 15:26.08 | levi | Good morning, #utah |
| 15:29.45 | maquis | tensai: were you having network issues earlier? |
| 15:29.50 | maquis | like... 7-ish? |
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| 15:30.12 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 15:30.26 | tensai | maquis: qwest was having network issues. cause problems for quite a few people it seems. |
| 15:30.31 | maquis | tensai: ah |
| 15:30.32 | maquis | ok |
| 15:30.37 | maquis | i just noticed i was having ssh issues |
| 15:30.37 | tensai | maquis: yes 7:30 till just a few moments ago |
| 15:31.43 | jsmith | tensai: Any idea what the cause was? |
| 15:32.02 | tensai | jsmith: they said a routing issue between seattle and burbank |
| 15:32.10 | jsmith | Nice! |
| 15:32.48 | jsmith | Nothing like the phrase "sub-optimal routing" to make you guess |
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| 15:34.03 | maquis | jsmith: did you ever catch my thing about what was causing that problem? |
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| 15:42.19 | maquis | -lart sjansen |
| 15:43.00 | sjansen | o/~ Born to wander.. ~/o |
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| 15:43.57 | sjansen | maquis: don't hate me because I'm beautiful |
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| 15:46.48 | tensai | jsmith: our bgp feed to them was good the entire time. sounds to me like an internal routing issue. not sure what they use internally, ospf, bgp, eigrp... |
| 15:47.10 | jsmith | maquis: Nope... What was the issue? |
| 15:47.26 | jsmith | tensai: IP by squirrel? |
| 15:47.29 | sjansen | tene: caffeinated squirrels, it's the latest in budget networking |
| 15:47.40 | tensai | yeah, that's probably it |
| 15:48.31 | tensai | jsmith: now that you're back I can tell you my Afton story |
| 15:49.22 | tensai | jsmith: we are a clec in wyoming and have a colo in the qwest co in afton. apparently afton is served half by qwest and half by an independent telco. |
| 15:50.11 | tensai | that independent decided that since we don't have an interconnection agreement with them that they don't have to terminate circuits with us. so, half of afton can't dial our NXX. |
| 15:50.19 | maquis | jsmith: you have to #include <stdlib.h>... not certain why it doesn't give a compile error, though |
| 15:50.51 | tensai | jsmith: right nice of them, no? |
| 15:51.18 | jsmith | tensai: Actually, in that situation, there's a long-standing war between the telco and Qwest |
| 15:51.28 | maquis | tensai: if i'm understanding what you're saying correctly, that's very interesting |
| 15:51.36 | jsmith | tensai: And, knowing the story as intimately as I do, Qwest is in the wrong and has always been so in Afton |
| 15:51.45 | tensai | jsmith: glad we could get caught in the middle |
| 15:52.06 | jsmith | tensai: I know the right buttons to push at Silver Star, if you want me to give you a contact... |
| 15:53.31 | jsmith | maquis: OK, that's just plain strange... including stdlib.h does seem to give the correct value. Not sure why it didn't without it. |
| 15:53.34 | sjansen | ~push tensai's buttons |
| 15:53.53 | tensai | jsmith: very interesting. can you give me the back story? |
| 15:54.11 | maquis | jsmith: i'm just surprised it didn't complain when i compiled |
| 15:54.29 | jsmith | tensai: In short, it used to be that half of the valley was covered by Qwest, and half by Silver Star (as Qwest didn't want the other half) |
| 15:54.55 | jsmith | tensai: Silver Star started doing innovative things (like DSL), but Qwest wanted nothing to do with it. |
| 15:55.34 | jsmith | tensai: People in Afton (served by Qwest), wanted DSL as well, so Silver Star tried to make an agreement with Qwest to be able to do it. Qwest said no. |
| 15:56.49 | jsmith | tensai: So Silver Star tried to buy the exchange from Qwest. Qwest wouldn't sell to them, but instead tried to sell off to Union Telephone. Everyone in town went balistic, and wrote to their congressman, etc. to make sure that didn't happen. |
| 15:57.17 | Jayce^ | jsmith, sounds kinda like the big eagle mountain debacle with qwest... |
| 15:57.29 | jsmith | tensai: So, in short, Qwest *still* doesn't offer any DSL, but Silver Star is offering phone service in both areas now. |
| 15:57.45 | jsmith | tensai: How's that for a short yet complicated story? |
| 15:58.31 | tensai | jsmith: I just can't believe qwest would do anything not in the interest of their customers |
| 15:58.42 | jsmith | tensai: I came inches from working for Silver Star as their network guy, but at the end of the hiring process they found that my uncle works part-time as a janitor there, and their anti-nephitism policy won't let me work there. |
| 15:58.49 | jsmith | tensai: Really? |
| 15:58.55 | tensai | jsmith: heck no |
| 15:58.59 | jsmith | tensai: In small markets, they don't care one bit. |
| 15:59.21 | tensai | jsmith: yeah, and everywhere we are is "small markets" |
| 16:00.47 | tensai | we have a full time employee who's job it is is to sort out all the mess of qwest |
| 16:01.28 | tensai | oh, here's a good one from yesterday. we have 3 PRI circuits in one city. we wanted to disconnect 2, so we picked the last two in the hunt group and sent in a disco. |
| 16:02.23 | tensai | in preparation they made some changes and took down our DID. well, turns out that the first circuit which we were supposed to be left with had been disabled. |
| 16:02.37 | jsmith | I think Lily Tomlin said it best in the SNL skit: "We don't care. We don't have to. We're the phone company!" |
| 16:03.10 | tensai | why? because the physical line had issues. they knew we weren't using it so they never fixed the problem, just disabled that circuit instead. |
| 16:03.56 | jsmith | tensai: Sounds just like Qwest |
| 16:04.48 | tensai | we're doing a network regroom and discoing a number of circuits. that was just the first one. |
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| 16:12.14 | jsmith | tensai: http://www.suburbanexpress.com/tomlin.html <-- There it is! |
| 16:12.16 | brac | [Is it just me, or does Ameritech suck?] |
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| 16:30.49 | sjansen | )(&^)(&)(*&)(^%*&$(*&% |
| 16:38.59 | harleypig | Interesting little tidbit: On April 5, 2006 at 2 minutes and 3 seconds past 0100 an event will occur that has never happened before and will never happen again. |
| 16:39.29 | tensai | 010203040506 |
| 16:39.45 | sjansen | (&(*(*(*O^*$^*%$(&*%(^&$*&^I& |
| 16:40.01 | maquis | from machine learning class: "how do you terminate your backprop?" (class responds) "seg fault!" |
| 16:40.26 | sjansen | Tip: Python is a little fragile when superclasses register atexit functions. |
| 16:40.46 | harleypig | Of course, the opposite thing has already happened at 5 minutes and 4 seconds after 0600 on March 2 2001 |
| 16:42.22 | tensai | don't forget June 6, 06:06:06. how's that for a sign of the beast? |
| 16:43.28 | tensai | harleypig: but didn't 010203040506 happen 100 years ago? and 200 years ago? |
| 16:44.10 | sjansen | tensai: time hadn't been invented yet |
| 16:44.28 | RyanE | sjansen: you just beat me to that *same* comment. scary |
| 16:45.00 | ^Migs^ | that's nothing. In 10 minutes, we will reach a point in time that has never before existed, will only exist that once, and will never exist again. |
| 16:45.19 | Jayce^ | you'd all be in deep misery, with the pang of missing that special element in your lives :) |
| 16:47.25 | harleypig | wow ... good point tensai |
| 16:47.32 | harleypig | hadn't even though if it like that. |
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| 17:14.03 | findlay | phinux: I thought I saw you on the provo river trail yesterday. I would have said something but you were already too far away |
| 17:14.11 | findlay | I was taking out my garbage (: |
| 17:14.33 | phinux | I'm on that trail a lot. I think better when I'm walking. |
| 17:14.57 | phinux | ciao maquis |
| 17:15.11 | maquis | sup? |
| 17:15.47 | findlay | indeed |
| 17:16.06 | phinux | Taking a break by listening to devotional. I wish they would get to the devotional part. |
| 17:16.27 | maquis | cool |
| 17:17.02 | maquis | (or tomorrow morning before dr zappala gets into his office...) |
| 17:17.20 | sjansen | ~remind maquis of the pains of the flunked |
| 17:17.28 | phinux | I know how that goes. Trying to break down my many projects in the hopes that I don't get too overwhelmed. |
| 17:18.29 | tensai | maquis: what's the homework? |
| 17:19.02 | maquis | tensai: i'll know once i open it |
| 17:19.21 | tensai | maquis: nothing like getting an early start |
| 17:20.10 | maquis | tensai: yeah |
| 17:20.10 | maquis | i know |
| 17:20.47 | tensai | maquis: the answer is switches reduce the collision domain, routers reduce the broadcast domain |
| 17:21.34 | maquis | tensai: cool |
| 17:21.37 | maquis | that'll come in handy |
| 17:21.42 | maquis | anyone want to take a stat test tomorrow? |
| 17:21.50 | lars-ut | UPS guy just stopped by. |
| 17:22.18 | tensai | maquis: ask the UPS guy. apparently he brings about good things. |
| 17:22.49 | lars-ut | maquis: he does indeed |
| 17:23.13 | lars-ut | came with a liitle keychain thingy too. |
| 17:23.30 | RyanE | I had a UPS driver tell me that he just *loved* his job, because everyone who he delivered to was happy to see him. No Junk Mail delivery like USPS. |
| 17:23.41 | maquis | lars-ut: you want to give him something for me? |
| 17:23.51 | lars-ut | :) |
| 17:23.53 | RyanE | maquis: ewwww.... |
| 17:24.06 | maquis | RyanE: ?? |
| 17:24.17 | lars-ut | "Here, give this to maquis." |
| 17:24.45 | maquis | yay! |
| 17:25.13 | RyanE | maquis: nevermind. some things only make sense in between my two ears. |
| 17:25.16 | tensai | it's not the junk mail I hate. it's the bills. when I toss those in the trash Bad Things (tm) happen. |
| 17:25.51 | Jayce^ | it's not the trash, it's the "Special Filing Basket for all things from Corporate" |
| 17:26.07 | levi | Man, I thought BYU had strict rules: http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=516745 |
| 17:27.44 | maquis | levi: wow... |
| 17:27.57 | maquis | that's one thing that would get quite a large portion of the byu student body expelled... |
| 17:28.05 | RyanE | "eye babies" I've never heard that term before. |
| 17:29.22 | ^Migs^ | wow indeed |
| 17:29.24 | phinux | Eye babies. That's what I did for a Social Psychology project. Always interesting to have a project who's only goal is to freak other people out. |
| 17:29.45 | lars-ut | "On Wednesday (5 April 06) at two minutes and three seconds after 0100 (1 AM) in the morning the time and date will be 01:02:03 04/05/06. That will never happen again." |
| 17:30.08 | levi | I don't think many BYU students would be insane enough to even want to go to this Pensacola Christian College. |
| 17:30.19 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure why any student would |
| 17:30.21 | maquis | levi: that's kinda frightening |
| 17:30.24 | ^Migs^ | ESPECIALLY since it's not accredited |
| 17:30.31 | maquis | yeah |
| 17:30.42 | maquis | that's the thing that confuses me |
| 17:30.46 | ^Migs^ | "optical intercourse" |
| 17:31.04 | lars-ut | D'oh |
| 17:32.03 | ^Migs^ | they ban G-rated movies? |
| 17:33.09 | RyanE | I'm guessing married students don't attend, eh? |
| 17:33.14 | ^Migs^ | I hope not |
| 17:33.16 | RyanE | 'no contact' wouldn't really work for me. |
| 17:33.21 | sjansen | wow |
| 17:33.33 | ^Migs^ | the founders are married |
| 17:33.43 | ^Migs^ | I don't understand how this college even functions |
| 17:36.15 | tensai | "There is this idea that if you go against us, you're going against God." I've seen that idea at BYU quite a bit. really bugged me. |
| 17:36.51 | sjansen | ^Migs^: My guess is that it functions about the same way a cult does. |
| 17:37.13 | RyanE | sjansen: BYU, or Pensacola? :) |
| 17:37.18 | maquis | At Pensacola any physical contact between members of the opposite sex is forbidden. The forbidden contact includes shaking hands |
| 17:38.04 | phinux | Looks like the students take a certain amount of pleasure turning other students in. Vindictive. |
| 17:38.06 | JoshH | it amazes me that not only is there a college like that, but that any people at all actually take their religion so seriously that they are that insane about it |
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| 17:38.24 | maquis | There are restrictions on when and where men and women may speak to each other. Some elevators and stairwells may be used only by women; others may be used only by men. Socializing on particular benches is forbidden. If a man and a woman are walking to class, they may chat; if they stop en route, though, they may be in trouble. Generally men and women caught interacting in any "unchaperoned area" \u2014 which is most of the campus \u2014 could be subject |
| 17:38.56 | JoshH | if you think that shaking hands with a girl is forbidden by god, then perhaps you need to A: read your scriptures more closely, B: check into a mental health facility, or C: both |
| 17:39.45 | findlay | what's all this? |
| 17:39.47 | ^Migs^ | you become a floor leader by tattling on other students |
| 17:40.32 | JoshH | is it true that byu professors will refuse to let a guy take a test if he forgot to shave? |
| 17:40.32 | maquis | wow... the punishments are rather... interesting |
| 17:40.39 | ^Migs^ | interesting how women aren't allowed to get jobs or even leave the campus usually |
| 17:40.48 | maquis | i don't think i'd survive if i couldn't talk to people |
| 17:40.55 | ^Migs^ | where'd you hear that, JoshH? |
| 17:41.31 | maquis | JoshH: if it's *relaly* noticeable (as in, it's been a while) and you don't have a beard card, the testing center can turn you away |
| 17:41.32 | JoshH | someone told me that it happened to him, becuase facial hair wasn't allowed or something |
| 17:42.00 | JoshH | but he might have been exaggerating |
| 17:42.05 | tensai | JoshH: my brother got a warning from the testing center, but they still let him take the test |
| 17:42.07 | JoshH | he has that personality |
| 17:42.35 | levi | You can get turned away from cafeterias and the testing center at BYU for facial hair and short shorts. |
| 17:42.40 | tensai | mustaches are allowed, but not beyond the edge of the lips. sideburns have to stop at the bottom of the ears. |
| 17:42.48 | ^Migs^ | hmm |
| 17:42.53 | maquis | Students are allowed to watch television news at 6 o'clock, but that's it. The TVs are controlled by college employees, who flip a switch to black out the commercials, lest students see anything inappropriate. |
| 17:42.54 | levi | It's pretty goofy, but at least you don't get instantly expelled. |
| 17:42.57 | findlay | I walked into the library yesterday without having shaved for two days |
| 17:43.01 | findlay | it was kind of fun |
| 17:43.03 | ^Migs^ | byu IS a private school |
| 17:43.07 | levi | findlay: Rebel! |
| 17:43.08 | ^Migs^ | they can do what they want |
| 17:43.11 | ^Migs^ | if you don't like it, don't attend |
| 17:43.26 | ^Migs^ | what if you're just visiting the school? |
| 17:43.38 | maquis | ^Migs^: if you're just visiting, they don't have a problem with it |
| 17:43.47 | phinux | My dad tells me a story from his days here. A girl who showed up to take a test in jeans (women weren't allowed to wear jeans at the time). She was turned away. She happened to be wearing a long coat. So she went to the ladies room, removed the jeans, and was allowed to take the test. |
| 17:43.51 | ^Migs^ | I think it's nice to have rules like that. Keeps everyone looking decent. |
| 17:43.52 | findlay | if you're visiting you have to wear a face mask to disguise your facial hair |
| 17:44.01 | maquis | the rules are for students |
| 17:44.10 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 17:44.21 | maquis | (granted, i have seen people give non-students weird looks on occasion) |
| 17:44.31 | dataw0lf | I can testify non students get weird looks |
| 17:44.33 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 17:44.34 | ^Migs^ | there's similar rules when you work for the Church. You're expected to wear a suit, and be clean shaven. |
| 17:44.41 | tensai | at the visitors center they hand out cologne and breath mints to smokers and coffee drinkers |
| 17:44.50 | ^Migs^ | it makes sense to me. |
| 17:44.56 | ^Migs^ | image can mean a lot |
| 17:45.04 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 17:45.14 | dataw0lf | yea, I'm sure God really cares about image. |
| 17:45.20 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 17:45.22 | ^Migs^ | who said God cares about image? |
| 17:45.27 | JoshH | so do mormons believe that beards are bad or something? |
| 17:45.32 | ^Migs^ | people care about image, and the Church no doubt wants to portray a good image |
| 17:45.38 | ^Migs^ | certainly not |
| 17:45.39 | JoshH | i mean, what is wrong with facial hair if it's neatly groomed and so forth? |
| 17:45.43 | maquis | JoshH: it's just an image thing... |
| 17:46.02 | ^Migs^ | it's not a black and white issue, JoshH. The general idea is just to be clean shaven, because it looks nice in our society. |
| 17:46.03 | tensai | JoshH: started in the 70s to combat hippies and beatnicks |
| 17:46.05 | sjansen | image is a reflection of who the person is or is trying to be |
| 17:46.14 | tensai | 60s maybe. I don't recall exactly |
| 17:46.20 | JoshH | what about long hair on men? |
| 17:46.33 | dataw0lf | image is largely a reflection of the beholder |
| 17:46.34 | ^Migs^ | I'm not sure what the rule on hair is at BYU |
| 17:46.35 | dataw0lf | I have alot of tattoos |
| 17:46.36 | tensai | JoshH: verboten |
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| 17:46.38 | JoshH | like, say a guy wanted to look like jesus in those jesus portraits |
| 17:46.38 | ^Migs^ | indeed it is, dataw0lf |
| 17:46.44 | dataw0lf | alot of people would think for some reason that says something about me |
| 17:46.53 | maquis | JoshH: hair on men has not cover the ears |
| 17:46.56 | dataw0lf | something BAD. |
| 17:46.57 | tensai | dataw0lf: it says you're not afraid of needles |
| 17:47.01 | ^Migs^ | I would say it means you like tattoos |
| 17:47.05 | sjansen | allowances are also made for culture, so a Muslim friend of mine had no problem walking around with a beard |
| 17:47.11 | ^Migs^ | I wouldn't get a tattoo, but I always admire creative tattoos |
| 17:47.14 | maquis | sjansen: good point |
| 17:47.20 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 17:47.25 | maquis | that's one thing that can get you a beard card |
| 17:47.29 | ^Migs^ | hehe |
| 17:47.30 | ^Migs^ | beard card |
| 17:47.31 | sjansen | dataw0lf: hardly, _I'm_ not the one who decides what you look like |
| 17:47.42 | ^Migs^ | beards are itchy anyway |
| 17:47.42 | maquis | i also know someone who was going to be in the joseph smith movie in slc, and so he got a beard card for that |
| 17:47.43 | sjansen | I might be the one interpreting your appearance, but you chose it. |
| 17:48.03 | dataw0lf | so image doesn't mean much. |
| 17:48.22 | ^Migs^ | why not just have a good image, so others will think highly of you? |
| 17:48.26 | sjansen | Some people conciously choose an appearance, others accept it by default as a reflection of choices they've made. |
| 17:48.32 | dataw0lf | because something that stands out and is symbolic of something to you might mean nothing to me. |
| 17:48.43 | JoshH | did harleypig go to byu? |
| 17:48.51 | JoshH | and if so, did he not have his beard at the time? |
| 17:49.31 | sjansen | ^Migs^: not if you let them grow long enough, they're not |
| 17:50.37 | sjansen | dataw0lf: your tattoos do say something about you, although they say less today then they did a few decades ago |
| 17:50.53 | dataw0lf | sjansen: What do my tattoos say about me? |
| 17:50.56 | JoshH | that is why people get tattoos, to express something about themself |
| 17:51.07 | findlay | only if they are words |
| 17:51.09 | fozzmoo | If you've put on weight, your tatoos may say more about you than they did before. ;-) |
| 17:51.09 | dataw0lf | sjansen: The point is, they could say something entirely different to you than to me. |
| 17:51.18 | JoshH | dataw0lf exactly |
| 17:51.30 | dataw0lf | sjansen: As is evident by my frequent trips to Provo and the stares I receive. |
| 17:51.31 | JoshH | to my great grandmother, they would say you are an evil rapist |
| 17:51.31 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 17:51.47 | JoshH | to me, they would say nothing at all |
| 17:51.51 | dataw0lf | yes, that seems to be a fairly common opinion. |
| 17:52.01 | sjansen | they say that you decided to ignore those in our society who are opposed to tatooing |
| 17:52.06 | dataw0lf | especially because I have an ankh on my right arm. |
| 17:52.07 | findlay | among great-grandmothers? |
| 17:52.42 | dataw0lf | sjansen: I actively decided to ignore those who are opposed to tattooing? |
| 17:52.43 | tensai | levi: awesome job on the hornet's nest stirring ;) |
| 17:52.44 | dataw0lf | No, I didn't. |
| 17:52.49 | dataw0lf | Because they mean nothing to me. |
| 17:52.54 | dataw0lf | Didn't even cross my mind. |
| 17:53.00 | JoshH | tensai, indee |
| 17:53.01 | JoshH | d |
| 17:53.16 | JoshH | honestly the OT in this channel is much more interesting than the OSS stuff |
| 17:53.18 | levi | tensai: That's me, Mr. Controversy. ;) |
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| 17:53.20 | JoshH | imo anyway |
| 17:53.41 | ^Migs^ | wtf is OSS anyway |
| 17:53.48 | sjansen | dataw0lf: you're adding a verb there, aren't you, and that's what bothers you about people staring at you |
| 17:53.53 | findlay | open sound system I think |
| 17:53.56 | sjansen | s/verb/adverb/ |
| 17:54.05 | ^Migs^ | oh, I like open sound systems |
| 17:54.05 | dataw0lf | sjansen: I didn't add a verb, you said 'decided' |
| 17:54.05 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: It's not an acryonym. |
| 17:54.17 | ^Migs^ | fozzmoo: Then why's it in caps? |
| 17:54.26 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: I don't know. |
| 17:54.31 | ^Migs^ | then what does it mean? |
| 17:54.41 | dataw0lf | sjansen: The assumption that I decided to do anything rebellious is wrong, though. |
| 17:54.44 | JoshH | i thought it was open source software, and foss is free/open source software |
| 17:54.44 | sjansen | They're active decision and decision by default. Unless you're telling me you woke up one morning and the tatoo was magically there without your involvement. |
| 17:54.48 | fozzmoo | The trick, I believe, is to hold out the last 's'... like you're hissing. |
| 17:54.52 | dataw0lf | Because getting a tattoo isn't rebellious whatsoever to me. |
| 17:54.58 | ^Migs^ | that's what I kind of thought too, JoshH |
| 17:55.03 | ^Migs^ | I just came here because the channel is named #utah |
| 17:55.10 | ^Migs^ | and I was all, "Hey, I live in Utah!" |
| 17:55.14 | goozbach | bah! |
| 17:55.20 | fozzmoo | moo! |
| 17:55.25 | findlay | eh? |
| 17:55.28 | goozbach | how long was I gone? |
| 17:55.30 | ^Migs^ | getting a tattoo is better than getting a piercing |
| 17:55.31 | JoshH | sjansen: i think he means that he decided to get a tattoo because he likes it, and whether people in society approve or not probably didn't cross his mind |
| 17:55.33 | maquis | goozbach: too long |
| 17:55.35 | ^Migs^ | piercings just look retarded |
| 17:55.39 | ^Migs^ | tattoos look cool |
| 17:55.42 | dataw0lf | ^Migs^: Nice moral judgement. |
| 17:55.46 | dataw0lf | I'm outta here though. |
| 17:55.49 | fozzmoo | ^Migs^: Depends on where the piercing is. |
| 17:56.03 | ^Migs^ | I just don't know why anyone would want to mutilate themselves |
| 17:56.09 | lars-ut | dataw0lf: re: religious ref depends on what the tatoo is - see recent episode of "My Name is Earl" |
| 17:56.15 | JoshH | ya, i'm open minded and everything, but if you have a prince albert, something is wrong with you |
| 17:56.17 | ^Migs^ | just load yourself up with tattoos |
| 17:56.20 | JoshH | not morally, but mentally |
| 17:56.32 | fozzmoo | JoshH: Uh... yeah. |
| 17:56.45 | elg | oss is open source software, but it can mean open sound system, the ancient deprecated sound drivers for linux that you shouldn't use if you don't want me to persecute you |
| 17:57.01 | fozzmoo | I remember talking to a guy who had his nipples pierced. |
| 17:57.11 | levi | elg, the Persecutor of OSS Users. |
| 17:57.11 | ^Migs^ | yeah see, why would you do that? |
| 17:57.15 | ^Migs^ | that can't feel pleasant |
| 17:57.37 | sjansen | dataw0lf: So if I say that chihuahua's are annoying dogs, that's a moral judgement? |
| 17:57.40 | elg | hear me roar. but oss is nothing compared to arts or esd. If you use one of those you really need to watch otu. |
| 17:57.51 | ^Migs^ | it's okay, dataw0lf just thinks everyone's out to judge him |
| 17:57.54 | elg | sjansen is a chihuaua hater |
| 17:57.57 | ^Migs^ | when realistically, nobody even cares |
| 17:58.05 | ^Migs^ | most people are chihuahua haters |
| 17:58.10 | tensai | I use arts and I like it! |
| 17:58.18 | elg | -lart tensai |
| 17:58.25 | elg | you'll like that too. ;-) |
| 17:58.42 | elg | is the tatoo of a w0lf? |
| 17:58.51 | lars-ut | Earl: So you're all churched up now, huh. Good for you. Giving up all that hurting people. |
| 17:58.51 | lars-ut | Donny Jones: Turn the other cheek now. |
| 17:58.51 | lars-ut | Earl: And you got a tattoo of the Red Sea to prove it. |
| 17:58.51 | lars-ut | Donny Jones: Wanna see it now. (he goes to pull down his pants) |
| 17:58.51 | lars-ut | Earl: No, I'm still gonna pass on that. |
| 17:58.53 | elg | or maybe of some data? |
| 17:59.00 | tensai | is a w0lf just like a wolf, but with a 0 for eyes? |
| 17:59.29 | JoshH | it's more like a c0y0te |
| 17:59.29 | tensai | lars-ut: that's awful |
| 17:59.44 | sjansen | JoshH: Saying that "what other people think didn't cross his mind" is the same as saying "at some point, he decided to not let society control his every decision". You can't pretend that there isn't constant pressure to conform at that people must at some point in their life decide how much they're willing to conform. |
| 17:59.47 | lars-ut | My wife & I found it pretty funny |
| 18:00.11 | lars-ut | think they mis quote though |
| 18:00.40 | levi | Bucking the Zeitgeist! |
| 18:01.00 | tensai | a m00se bit my sister once |
| 18:01.09 | sjansen | ~sack tensai |
| 18:01.23 | tensai | ~sack those who sacked the sackers |
| 18:01.30 | levi | Ignoring the Ethos! |
| 18:02.16 | fozzmoo | I hate it when people call me right when I start tellin a story in IRC |
| 18:02.20 | fozzmoo | So... |
| 18:02.22 | fozzmoo | I remember talking to a guy who had his nipples pierced. |
| 18:02.30 | fozzmoo | I was like, OUCH! |
| 18:02.35 | levi | fozzmoo: You're so right. |
| 18:02.50 | tensai | "I'm sorry I missed your call. I'm either on the other line or telling a good story on IRC." |
| 18:02.51 | fozzmoo | He said, yeah, it is pretty painful when you get it done... |
| 18:02.55 | RyanE | levi: I think he meant, "call me, right when..." |
| 18:03.04 | lars-ut | tensai: If I remeber the reference correctly it was "a tattoo of Moses parting the Red Sea" |
| 18:03.04 | fozzmoo | "but, man, it feels SO good now!" |
| 18:03.06 | RyanE | not, "call me right, when" |
| 18:03.25 | JoshH | sjansen: that is true, but when it comes to tattoos in particular, i think society at large doesn't stigmatize them that much anymore, it's mainly certain subcultures that do. and if he isn't part of a subculture like that, then his decision to get a tattoo may not have had anything to do with choosing not to conform |
| 18:03.28 | levi | RyanE: Sure, that's what he /meant/. |
| 18:03.28 | lars-ut | tensai: less awful right? |
| 18:04.46 | elg | JoshH: in that case it may have been choosing to conform with his tattooed buddies |
| 18:04.47 | tensai | lars-ut: funny, a little shocking, and definitely not something I'd like to see |
| 18:04.47 | fozzmoo | I'm not sure what disturbed me more... that he got his nipples pierced in the first place... |
| 18:04.47 | fozzmoo | or that he was actively deriving pleasure from his pierced nipples. |
| 18:04.47 | JoshH | true elg, for example, he may have had a tattoo along with everyone in his military unit or something |
| 18:04.47 | lars-ut | tensai: I think that's why the character Earl passed up on that opportunity as well |
| 18:04.47 | tensai | fozzmoo: the latter |
| 18:05.34 | lars-ut | what bout Maori tattoos? |
| 18:06.32 | sjansen | different culture |
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| 18:07.14 | tensai | people treat each other more like and RFC. be strict in what you send, liberal in what you accept. |
| 18:07.22 | tensai | s/people/people should/ |
| 18:07.24 | elg | that's like asking what about hacker paunches |
| 18:07.39 | ^Migs^ | there are far 'worse' things one can do than getting a tattoo |
| 18:07.48 | elg | yeah, like listening to country music |
| 18:07.52 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 18:11.08 | tensai | elg: how's the dsp coming? |
| 18:11.36 | elg | pretty good. I'm getting a late start today on the modem project that's due friday |
| 18:11.47 | elg | 300bps, w00t |
| 18:12.04 | sjansen | Syntactic sugar was created for a reason! |
| 18:12.10 | lars-ut-away | 7, e, 1 |
| 18:13.48 | RyanE | 8,n,1 |
| 18:16.27 | elg | 7 bits, even parity (I think) |
| 18:16.53 | elg | with a pretty worthless but historical frame of one 0 start bit and two 1s for stop bits |
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| 18:17.37 | tensai | any device worth talking to uses 8,n,1 |
| 18:18.00 | RyanE | I just thought we were expressing personal preferences. :) |
| 18:18.17 | tensai | RyanE: luckily yours are correct :) |
| 18:19.08 | RyanE | geeks can get so attached to their serial settings... |
| 18:19.20 | elg | oh don't worry, my device won't be worth talking to |
| 18:19.26 | elg | it'll meet the spec though |
| 18:19.40 | tensai | serial is so messed up. I don't even know how many serial cables I have in my bag. way too many for sure. |
| 18:20.02 | RyanE | well, meeting the spec is likely more important. |
| 18:20.36 | tensai | I never could get doom to work over slip |
| 18:21.02 | findlay | for $1.00 |
| 18:22.18 | findlay | $20 is way too much for a polyvinylchloride and copper cable |
| 18:22.28 | findlay | and they know it too |
| 18:27.07 | RyanE | you're saying that DI knows what the market will bear more than say, Radio Shlock? |
| 18:28.00 | findlay | that's about it |
| 18:28.24 | ^Migs^ | who gives away a perfectly good USB cable? |
| 18:28.35 | tensai | Radio Shack: "You've got questions, we've got blank stares." |
| 18:29.15 | findlay | if you got a spool of USB cable and terminators and a crimper do you think it would cost $20 to make a 20 inch cord? |
| 18:29.46 | findlay | it's got to be the fancy vacuum formed plastic case that it comes in |
| 18:30.02 | tensai | better question, if you make a 20 inch cord will that be longer than allowed by the spec? |
| 18:30.32 | findlay | I think the spec allows for no longer cords than 2 inches |
| 18:30.32 | tensai | oh, wait. 20 inch != 20 feet |
| 18:30.47 | findlay | (: |
| 18:31.10 | tensai | I read on a belkin package once that the max length is 16 feet, fyi |
| 18:31.33 | tensai | findlay: how about a usb to rj45 adapter and then use cat5 |
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| 18:32.16 | findlay | but at least Best Byu and Comp USA and OfficeMax charge about $20 for 20", 3', and 6' |
| 18:32.34 | findlay | that smells like malicious price fixing to me |
| 18:33.28 | findlay | could cat5e handle USB 2? |
| 18:34.35 | tensai | cat6 maybe? |
| 18:35.08 | tensai | my search for such an adapter is not going well. just finding usb ethernet NICs, which aren't the same. |
| 18:35.57 | tensai | aha! http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/searchdetail.asp?T1=131+0947 |
| 18:36.02 | brac | [USB Extender, RJ45 Cable Extends To 150ft at Cyberguys.com] |
| 18:36.19 | findlay | but can't you buy the tools and supplies to make your own cables? |
| 18:36.37 | elg | cool |
| 18:36.55 | QBFreak | re maximum lenghts, I bought an extension at the max length and proceded to put something with a very long cord on it... |
| 18:36.56 | tensai | * USB 1.1 compliant. |
| 18:36.59 | QBFreak | but that was USB 1.1 |
| 18:37.04 | elg | I think usb connectors probably suffer from over-standardization. probably costs a small fortune to slap the name usb on it |
| 18:37.38 | elg | otherwise we'd have seen people enter the market with cheap cables by now |
| 18:37.55 | QBFreak | and as for radioshack, not all of them can have Norm, sadly |
| 18:38.31 | QBFreak | its nice to be able to talk to someone who is capable of weilding a soldering iron :) |
| 18:38.36 | tensai | http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=2648 |
| 18:39.02 | tensai | seeing as they come with a power supply, I suspect there is more too it than crossing a few wires |
| 18:39.17 | findlay | just make connectors that look like USB connectors and taste like USB connectors, but aren't USB connectors and don't even mention USB |
| 18:39.53 | findlay | ~wakeup maquis |
| 18:39.55 | ibot | ACTION silently aproaches maquis, who's sleeping (zZzZZZzzZZ, Ronc !!! ronc!), gets off his pants and shoots a noisy fart ... PUBFBFBFBBBFFF!!! |
| 18:40.08 | findlay | ~wake maquis |
| 18:40.09 | ibot | maquis: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 18:43.27 | RyanE | I'd be extremely surprised if the form factor of the USB connector is not copyrighted. |
| 18:43.39 | RyanE | or whatever the equivalent is. |
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| 19:00.42 | sjansen | ~disconnect maquis |
| 19:01.08 | sjansen | Laptop in class == bad. Internet on laptop in class == very, very bad. |
| 19:01.25 | sjansen | Adequate sleep == good. |
| 19:02.39 | tensai | http://www.sciencefriday.com/pages/2006/Mar/hour1_033106.html |
| 19:02.40 | brac | [March 31, 2006, Hour One: Avian Flu Vaccine / Sleep and Teens] |
| 19:02.48 | QBFreak | school would have bored me to death if I didn't have internet access in some of my classes |
| 19:02.59 | tensai | "a new survey says teens aren't getting enough sleep, and are suffering the consequences." |
| 19:03.36 | QBFreak | I'm not a teen, but I do try for 8 a night |
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| 19:06.10 | levi | I need to get more sleep. |
| 19:07.07 | levi | Neko Case is cool, though. |
| 19:07.08 | QBFreak | I need to get more sleep at night and less durning the day |
| 19:07.20 | tensai | QBFreak: the two are usually related |
| 19:07.23 | QBFreak | levi: there is nothing wrong with country music :p |
| 19:07.43 | findlay | music of which country? |
| 19:08.15 | levi | QBFreak: There's nothing wrong with the country music that I like. The stuff that country music radio listeners like is generally pretty lame, though. ;) |
| 19:08.19 | tensai | http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden-wp/ |
| 19:08.20 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 19:08.45 | QBFreak | there's a station around here that plays some of the older (well, 80s 90s) stuff that I prefer, which is nice |
| 19:09.02 | QBFreak | not this new popified stuff |
| 19:09.52 | levi | Neko sings old-style country, though she's got her own style that doesn't really mesh exactly with anything. |
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| 19:12.35 | QBFreak | hmm, its not telling me what song this is, but it sounds nice |
| 19:14.27 | levi | What are you listening to? |
| 19:15.17 | QBFreak | the music player at http://www.nekocase.com/music/ |
| 19:15.18 | brac | [Neko Case's Music] |
| 19:15.23 | QBFreak | but it doesn't tell me what its playing |
| 19:15.29 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 19:15.44 | levi | Well, I like pretty much all of her music. |
| 19:16.00 | QBFreak | its nice, a little different, but nice |
| 19:16.12 | sjansen | http://www.lifehacker.com/software/procrastination/overcome-procrastination-by-understanding-it-165009.php |
| 19:16.14 | brac | [Overcome procrastination by understanding it - Lifehacker] |
| 19:16.50 | levi | Yeah, she's more strongly influenced by old-style country, but she makes it into her own thing. |
| 19:17.24 | levi | I think several of her songs, especially on her earlier albums, are covers of country classics. |
| 19:17.32 | QBFreak | ah cool |
| 19:18.02 | QBFreak | I have a cassette around here somewhere with some of the older hits |
| 19:18.08 | QBFreak | 70sish maybe? |
| 19:18.48 | QBFreak | I suppose I'm too young to be calling things old :) |
| 19:19.19 | levi | Well, 70s rock is now considered classic rock, so the same probably works for country. |
| 19:19.54 | QBFreak | alas, I don't have a cassette player in the car anymore |
| 19:19.58 | QBFreak | CD/MP3, yay |
| 19:20.32 | QBFreak | also means I hardly ever listen to a portion of my music collection :) |
| 19:21.24 | tensai | yay for planned obsolescence! |
| 19:21.45 | QBFreak | eh, CDs were popular when I bought my tapes, that's why they were so cheap :) |
| 19:23.36 | QBFreak | this stuff reminds me of something, but I don't know what |
| 19:23.56 | dataw0lf | sjansen: the statement that chihuahas are annoying dogs is a reflection of you, not the dogs themselves. That's the point I was trying to make before. |
| 19:24.18 | QBFreak | but what if its true... |
| 19:24.24 | Jayce^ | no, they really are annoying.. :) |
| 19:24.27 | RyanE | no, chihuahas are annoying. |
| 19:24.33 | QBFreak | hehe |
| 19:24.57 | dataw0lf | well, sjansen made a bad example then. |
| 19:25.04 | RyanE | <curmudgeon>Of course, most people are annoying, too.</curmudgeon> |
| 19:25.12 | tensai | dataw0lf: I see your point and agree |
| 19:25.34 | QBFreak | yeah, like that curmudgeon Ryan... |
| 19:26.00 | RyanE | yeah, he's a pain in the asymptote. |
| 19:26.05 | QBFreak | and now I must run, somehow it got to be nearly 3:30 while I wasn't looking |
| 19:26.19 | dataw0lf | today's Ryan is brought to you by the letter E, and the number 60 |
| 19:26.21 | QBFreak | note to self: shift sleep to nighttime |
| 19:27.26 | QBFreak | motly due to people calling it snausage |
| 19:28.13 | RyanE | dataw0lf: why the number 60? |
| 19:28.14 | dataw0lf | and a w0lf is a wolf but 1337er |
| 19:28.23 | dataw0lf | RyanE: guesstimate at your age! |
| 19:28.26 | RyanE | I only *act* like I'm 60... |
| 19:28.33 | tensai | perfchart.c:1751: undefined reference to `gdImagePng' |
| 19:28.34 | RyanE | and my hairline may look 60. |
| 19:28.38 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:28.39 | tensai | I have gd-devel installed, though |
| 19:28.46 | tensai | $ strings /usr/lib/libgd.so |grep gdImagePng |
| 19:28.49 | tensai | gdImagePng |
| 19:29.06 | tensai | ideas? |
| 19:29.10 | RyanE | dataw0lf: going to Springville tonight? |
| 19:29.24 | dataw0lf | tensai: -lgd ? :) |
| 19:29.30 | dataw0lf | RyanE: oh, totally forgot. |
| 19:29.31 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 19:29.39 | dataw0lf | If I can get this motorcycle running. |
| 19:29.41 | RyanE | no announcement as of yet, but I assume it's still happening. |
| 19:30.08 | RyanE | I'm afraid I'm out this week. |
| 19:30.12 | tensai | dataw0lf: sure nuff, it's not there. now why wouldn't they specify that?... |
| 19:30.32 | dataw0lf | tensai: weird. |
| 19:30.48 | gthornock | Odd question: is there any /good/ reason why top would report 100% CPU usage, but no process using more than 5%, and only two using more than 0.1? |
| 19:30.49 | dataw0lf | RyanE: any idea what games are being played? |
| 19:30.59 | dataw0lf | gthornock: because top is broken. |
| 19:31.43 | gthornock | possible, I suppose. |
| 19:31.49 | RyanE | dataw0lf: probably carcassone and cities and knights. I brought a game last week, so we played that. |
| 19:32.03 | gthornock | It doesn't seem to do that on any of the other machines, though. |
| 19:32.06 | dataw0lf | gthornock: top is NOT a good indicator of, really, anything. |
| 19:32.12 | dataw0lf | RyanE: cool beans. |
| 19:33.41 | tensai | "LDFLAGS=-lgd ./configure" did the trick. silly autoconf. |
| 19:33.43 | tensai | dataw0lf: thanks |
| 19:34.09 | dataw0lf | tensai: np |
| 19:35.38 | dataw0lf | http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/barbieOS.htm |
| 19:35.39 | brac | [A Linux Distro for Barbie?] |
| 19:37.11 | dataw0lf | (fictional, fyi) |
| 19:37.36 | tensai | but we already have Mandrake |
| 19:37.43 | dataw0lf | I got people in other channels asking for the ISO link, so apparently implied humor isn't implied enough |
| 19:37.51 | dataw0lf | tensai: ha! and KDE. |
| 19:42.55 | sjansen | http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ |
| 19:43.05 | findlay | what if you had an irc client that pushed everything you said in one channel to all channels that you're logged into? |
| 19:43.38 | dataw0lf | um |
| 19:43.41 | dataw0lf | you can do that in xchat |
| 19:43.49 | findlay | really? |
| 19:43.52 | findlay | wierd |
| 19:46.52 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 19:47.08 | dataw0lf | there it is, I forgot the command |
| 19:47.09 | dataw0lf | /amsg |
| 19:53.43 | findlay | a fun practical joke, too bad April 1 is passed |
| 19:54.22 | sjansen | gotta be a simple answer, but I'm sure not finding it |
| 19:55.07 | dataw0lf | sjansen: what does is_a do? |
| 19:56.11 | sjansen | foo.is_a?(bar) <-- is foo an instance of class bar or any subclass of bar? |
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| 19:59.35 | harleypig | http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif |
| 19:59.48 | dataw0lf | sjansen: sorry, RAID problems. isinstance() |
| 20:00.19 | dataw0lf | you can also check __class__ or __metaclass__ in some cases |
| 20:01.36 | elg | harleypig: pretty cool |
| 20:01.58 | harleypig | The only problem is, it's on a page for emulation of vi/vim in Visual Studio |
| 20:02.21 | elg | if I were stuck in visual studio, you'd better believe I'd want it |
| 20:02.22 | harleypig | But the chart itself is good. |
| 20:03.11 | Jayce^ | handy.. |
| 20:03.39 | dataw0lf | oh, nice, I thought it was just another cheatsheet. |
| 20:03.49 | elg | isn't it? |
| 20:04.22 | dataw0lf | well, it's one I've never seen before. |
| 20:05.43 | dataw0lf | try >iB <iB in code in vim |
| 20:19.05 | goozbach | and today after work I'm going home to cuddle in my new hammock with a cute female |
| 20:19.35 | goozbach | fozzmoo: what brings you to #utah |
| 20:21.14 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you get a cat or something? |
| 20:21.24 | goozbach | Jayce^: funny guy |
| 20:21.36 | goozbach | ~paint Jayce^ |
| 20:21.37 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on Jayce^ |
| 20:21.46 | goozbach | ~flashbang Jayce^ |
| 20:22.01 | Jayce^ | ~pepper goozbach |
| 20:22.03 | ibot | ACTION forces goozbach to eat a single Dorset Naga (oh yeah, 923,000 SHU, baby!) |
| 20:22.35 | goozbach | oh I found a cool trick today |
| 20:22.44 | goozbach | smbclient -M <server> |
| 20:22.59 | goozbach | sends a windows message |
| 20:23.45 | fozzmoo | goozbach: YOU! |
| 20:25.37 | Jayce^ | goozbach, we're reactivating fozzmoo .... :) |
| 20:25.47 | goozbach | looking for me? |
| 20:25.49 | goozbach | cool |
| 20:26.21 | goozbach | I'm almost completely without |
| 20:26.24 | goozbach | internet |
| 20:26.30 | fozzmoo | What have you got? |
| 20:26.46 | goozbach | my treo |
| 20:26.47 | goozbach | at night |
| 20:26.59 | goozbach | and very closely monitored access at the office |
| 20:27.03 | fozzmoo | heh. |
| 20:27.08 | goozbach | I'm not even sure I should be doing this |
| 20:27.13 | fozzmoo | So, the fiance doesn't have broadband? |
| 20:27.30 | elg | goozbach: does it say who it's from? |
| 20:27.31 | fozzmoo | (not YOUR fiance, THE fiancé) |
| 20:30.17 | goozbach | elg: no idea |
| 20:31.06 | goozbach | fozzmoo: ??? |
| 20:31.15 | fozzmoo | The dude you're living with |
| 20:31.32 | fozzmoo | (who's engaged) |
| 20:31.55 | goozbach | ahh, no he doesm |
| 20:31.58 | goozbach | doesn't |
| 20:33.10 | goozbach | and he calls himself a computer geek. |
| 20:33.37 | elg | maybe he's the same breed of computer geek as jerry taylor |
| 20:38.05 | sjansen | goozbach: it could be worse |
| 20:38.17 | sjansen | you're only living with him, you could be working with him instead |
| 20:38.32 | sjansen | (says the man without broadband who calls himself a computer geek) |
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| 20:39.28 | goozbach | shamefull |
| 20:39.33 | goozbach | sjansen: hide your shame |
| 20:40.54 | sjansen | I'm not ashamed! I'm proud to be cheap! |
| 20:41.35 | sjansen | Why pay for broadband if I'm going to be on the road? Why pay for broadband when I'm single and the office is so close? |
| 20:42.07 | fozzmoo | There's a reason you're single, sjansen. |
| 20:42.15 | Jayce^ | one? |
| 20:42.20 | JoshH | no woman wants a man without broadband at home |
| 20:42.27 | fozzmoo | EXACTLY! |
| 20:44.36 | ^Migs^ | does dsl count? |
| 20:44.42 | JoshH | of course |
| 20:44.47 | JoshH | unless it's 256k |
| 20:44.54 | ^Migs^ | even if it's 1.5 Mbps? |
| 20:45.07 | JoshH | then you're like a guy driving a geo metro |
| 20:49.39 | xbmodder1 | hey |
| 20:49.59 | findlay | ~hey |
| 20:50.01 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, hey is almost for horses |
| 20:50.01 | fozzmoo | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7780099389022364700 |
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| 20:52.41 | xbmodder1 | hey |
| 20:53.26 | Jayce^ | fozzmoo, too bad the lighting sucks.... :-p |
| 20:53.34 | nick125 | xbmodder1: where are you..:P |
| 20:54.04 | findlay | how does vim function under the dvorak keymap? |
| 20:54.07 | fozzmoo | The lighting sucks? |
| 20:54.11 | fozzmoo | The lighting ROCKED! |
| 20:54.22 | findlay | I suppose the functions follow the keys |
| 20:55.00 | fozzmoo | I actually shot that video with my Fuji S5200 |
| 20:55.14 | fozzmoo | The audio came from the iAudio X5 we had connected to the soundboard. |
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| 20:57.39 | unum | the same letters do the same thing |
| 20:57.46 | unum | not the the same spots |
| 20:58.08 | unum | though I use arrow keys for navigation, but I doubt they remap unless you program it to |
| 21:03.07 | findlay | what I want to figure out is how to do simple row by row and column by column navigaton in insert mode without having to reach for the arrow keys |
| 21:08.53 | findlay | long lunch break jsmith? |
| 21:09.31 | jsmith | findlay: The best kind! |
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| 21:13.46 | unum | findlay: you'll probaby have to remap the keys |
| 21:13.53 | unum | or just learn the new places |
| 21:14.18 | unum | they won't remap. vim is unaware of the the keymap |
| 21:14.26 | elg | amcnabb claims it's fine to just learn the new places |
| 21:14.33 | dataw0lf | findlay: http://chronos.cs.msu.su/vim/howto/dvorak.html |
| 21:14.35 | brac | [Vim - Dvorak Keyboard Setup] |
| 21:15.05 | elg | I think using qwerty mappings for vim keys in normal mode would confuse me |
| 21:15.39 | findlay | I think the best solution would be to have a randomized keymap every time you start up vim |
| 21:16.06 | dataw0lf | oooh, yea. |
| 21:16.14 | dataw0lf | add some adventure to it |
| 21:16.14 | findlay | to keep your brain and porproreceptors and nociceptors active |
| 21:16.24 | dataw0lf | it'd be like Indiana Jones but in unix. |
| 21:17.52 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Naw, that'd be called "Slackware" |
| 21:17.53 | findlay | and once you crack one keymap, you get a new "harder" one and once you beat the whole thing you get to vim Bram's /etc directory |
| 21:18.09 | dataw0lf | jsmith: I thought that was a George Romero version of unix. |
| 21:18.23 | dataw0lf | the horrors! |
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| 21:39.41 | goozbach | fozzmoo: rockin video |
| 21:41.16 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Indeed. Rockin band. :) |
| 21:41.38 | fozzmoo | goozbach: Wait until you hear those mp3s. |
| 21:42.06 | goozbach | IRC from the hammock in the back yard |
| 21:42.08 | goozbach | cool |
| 21:43.48 | tensai | my laptop is hard to read in sunlight |
| 21:45.17 | goozbach | tensai: that's the beauty part |
| 21:45.26 | goozbach | it's nice and shady in the back yard |
| 21:45.50 | amcnabb | I just called up a spammer. |
| 21:45.56 | amcnabb | Not surprisingly, he was a dork. |
| 21:46.09 | goozbach | hah |
| 21:46.10 | levi | I should have bought a house a few years ago. |
| 21:46.31 | amcnabb | If anyone got the email, "BYU Start-up Seeking Business Minded Student", or if you want to pretend like you did, call: |
| 21:46.38 | amcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.43 | amcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.00 | amcnabb | Thank goodness for the BYU Directory. |
| 21:47.18 | amcnabb | and for the idiot spammer who's email included the line Received: from jonathan-hammers-computer.local (unknown [158.91.202.46]) |
| 21:47.59 | tensai | oh, I thought maybe you called neybar_work |
| 21:48.05 | goozbach | hah |
| 21:48.07 | amcnabb | :) |
| 21:51.09 | fozzmoo | neybar has a "real job" now. |
| 21:56.08 | goozbach | sjansen: I'm sitting in a hammock right now relaxing? |
| 21:56.16 | goozbach | er relaxing. |
| 21:56.20 | goozbach | what are your doing? |
| 21:59.05 | goozbach | http://www.hlcomic.com/index.php?date=2006-03-24 |
| 21:59.06 | brac | [Concerned #128: Friday, March 24, 2006] |
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| 22:02.10 | sjansen | goozbach: Imagining a long, limbed Shaggy-like person laying in a hammock, drinking a cold lemonade, completely unaware that in 30 seconds he's going to be flattened by meteor. |
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| 22:08.31 | goozbach | nonot |
| 22:08.42 | goozbach | sorry |
| 22:09.28 | goozbach | sjansen: not to be crushed by a meteor, but to be joined by a cutie in a few minutes |
| 22:15.20 | lars-ut | http://mail.herlo.org/pipermail/boardgames_herlo.org/2006-April/000149.html |
| 22:15.21 | brac | [[BoardGames] Board Game Night Tonight 8:30pm - April 4] |
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| 22:15.38 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 22:15.39 | ibot | yay! |
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| 22:31.02 | jlp | maquis: do you understand why your program didn't work until you #included <stdlib.h>? |
| 22:31.20 | jsmith | jlp: I'd be interested to know why... |
| 22:33.17 | jlp | in C, if you don't declare a function, the compiler assumes it returns an int (hence, it only allocates space for an int for the return value)... when you called printf("%f", atof("1.2")) (or whatever), the compiler only passed four bytes of the return from atof() on to printf, not the eight byte double value. printf then happily saw the %f, assumed you had passed it a double, and dereferenced the memory as a double, getting four bytes of g |
| 22:33.17 | jlp | arbage |
| 22:33.46 | jlp | stdlib.h declares atof() as returning a double, including it gives the compiler the info it needs to do the right thing (tm) |
| 22:34.27 | jlp | you could also have just declared it yourself by saying something like double atof(); early in the source file |
| 22:35.22 | tensai | or use -Wall and see that atof is being declared implicitly |
| 22:35.47 | findlay | but it still links against the correct library function even if you don't include <stdlib.h>? |
| 22:36.08 | jlp | findlay: sure, the linker doesn't know beans about #includes |
| 22:36.29 | jlp | all it sees is a bunch of object (.o) files and libraries containing more object files |
| 22:36.45 | jlp | symbols in object files don't have type information with them |
| 22:37.16 | findlay | but then there's an implicit type mismatch between the assumed atof() and the real atof() |
| 22:37.19 | findlay | oh |
| 22:37.38 | sjansen | C is a beautiful language once you realize it's made up of loosely coupled pieces with only limited introspection capability. |
| 22:37.41 | findlay | where's the type info stored? |
| 22:37.58 | jlp | it's not stored anywhere... it's implicit in how the values are used |
| 22:37.59 | sjansen | findlay: In the compiler as you compile. Nowhere else. |
| 22:38.02 | RyanE_ | findlay: in the closet, behind the old overcoat. |
| 22:38.23 | tensai | RyanE: the plaid one or the puke green one? |
| 22:38.25 | findlay | sjansen: some would say that is precisely why C is an ugly language |
| 22:38.35 | findlay | got to be puke green |
| 22:39.05 | tensai | that's right, I think maquis took the plaid one to DI |
| 22:39.09 | jlp | C's advantage is that it lets you get right down and dirty with what you want the processor to do. some would say that's it's disadvantage, also |
| 22:39.56 | tensai | why isn't xinetd honoring the "user=nagios" setting? is that really the option I want? |
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| 22:41.15 | sjansen | tensai: is xinetd running with root privs? it nagios in /etc/passwd? |
| 22:42.06 | tensai | yes, xinetd is root. that's the source of the problem. nrpe wants to be a non-root user. |
| 22:42.23 | tensai | /etc/passwd:nagios:x:49:49:Nagios:/usr/local/nagios:/bin/bash |
| 22:42.23 | tensai | /etc/group:nagios:x:49: |
| 22:43.32 | tensai | if I su to nagios and run /usr/sbin/nrpe it works fine, just not when xinetd runs it. I wrote a simple script that prints out the current user and it's definitely running as root. |
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| 22:44.26 | findlay | so xinetd can't be run as a user other than root? |
| 22:45.36 | tensai | xinetd can run as whatever. it just can't run my subprocess, nrpe, as root. it claims it can do that. |
| 22:46.15 | sjansen | odd, you've got the right option, it's got the privs, and all the info it should need |
| 22:46.20 | sjansen | anything in your logs? |
| 22:46.51 | tensai | nrpe[1812]: Error: NRPE daemon cannot be run as user/group root! |
| 22:46.59 | tensai | I set "group = nagios" as well |
| 22:47.16 | tensai | the file I create from my test script is owned root:root, so neither option is being honored |
| 22:48.08 | sjansen | just for giggles, try using a uid instead of a name |
| 22:49.02 | tensai | same thing |
| 22:51.18 | sjansen | well, I'm all out of ideas, time to install Windows |
| 22:51.26 | tensai | I might just have to have my process be "su" and pass the real thing as an argument |
| 22:52.16 | sjansen | s'pose there's always strace |
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| 22:58.47 | tensai | sjansen: waaaait. do I have to reload xinetd to have it reread the config files? |
| 23:01.56 | tensai | yeah, you do have to reload |
| 23:09.33 | sjansen | ~fish tensai |
| 23:09.34 | ibot | ACTION slaps tensai around with a large trout |
| 23:11.46 | sjansen | ~sheep tensai |
| 23:12.48 | lars-ut | ~banana sjansen |
| 23:14.22 | lars-ut | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms_Weapons_and_Tools |
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