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| 01:18.47 | nick125 | anyone here use turbogears? |
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| 03:20.46 | goozbach | well. everything I own has now been reduced to a 16' box |
| 03:33.23 | maquis | goozbach: welcome back :) |
| 03:35.03 | TheDiff | thats amazing |
| 03:35.52 | TheDiff | i dont think everything i own would :( |
| 03:37.08 | TheDiff | maquis: can i run in the uug election |
| 03:38.00 | maquis | TheDiff: A) too late, B) need to be a current byu student, faculty, staff or spouse of one of the above, and official uug member :) |
| 03:38.34 | TheDiff | i could be a distant dictator |
| 03:39.08 | TheDiff | i could rule via webcam, like in V for Vendetta |
| 03:40.38 | maquis | haha |
| 03:54.43 | TheDiff | maquis: how much have you done with php, as far as form processing goes? |
| 04:01.33 | maquis | TheDiff: not a whole lot... what are you looking for? |
| 04:01.51 | maquis | i've done my website, which has an admin page... a couple other little things... |
| 04:03.12 | TheDiff | well, I was kinda hoping there were some libraries/functions out there that i could use |
| 04:03.35 | TheDiff | because this is probably going to be alot of work. |
| 04:03.49 | maquis | TheDiff: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:03.58 | maquis | TheDiff: i've heard pear is pretty good... never used it... |
| 04:04.04 | maquis | also, php on trax seems pretty nice |
| 04:05.21 | TheDiff | maquis: i just need to validate user input so that it doesnt break my box |
| 04:05.42 | TheDiff | so it doesnt contain arbitrary php or SQL code |
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| 04:06.04 | maquis | TheDiff: hmmm... i'm no good at that... |
| 04:06.06 | TheDiff | maybe check if dates / email addresses are valid |
| 04:06.11 | TheDiff | junk like that |
| 04:08.04 | ^Migs^ | have any of you seen Celestia: http://www.shatters.net/celestia/ |
| 04:08.14 | ^Migs^ | I just 'stumbled' upon it a couple days ago |
| 04:08.55 | TheDiff | thats the program that you fly around the universe in, right? |
| 04:09.24 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 04:09.28 | ^Migs^ | SO cool |
| 04:09.44 | maquis | ^Migs^: i heard about it... it sounds a lot like "starry night deluxe" which i had growing up :) |
| 04:10.01 | ^Migs^ | I just discovered another star with a planet. I'm going to name the planet after me. |
| 04:14.35 | TheDiff | haha |
| 04:14.45 | TheDiff | Migstopia |
| 04:15.16 | maquis | :) |
| 04:15.37 | maquis | ~lart affirmative action |
| 04:16.55 | maquis | ~language nick125 |
| 04:16.56 | ibot | ACTION grabs nick125 by the ear and washes nick125's mouth out with soap |
| 04:17.48 | nick125 | *dang |
| 04:17.50 | nick125 | there :P |
| 04:18.29 | TheDiff | haha |
| 04:18.35 | nick125 | Why did my latency go up from 68ms to 132ms in less then 3 hours.. |
| 04:18.39 | TheDiff | only adults are allowed to say those words |
| 04:18.53 | TheDiff | maquis: why you hating on affirmative action? |
| 04:19.04 | TheDiff | it gets you jobs! |
| 04:19.13 | TheDiff | and college acceptances |
| 04:19.32 | nick125 | I called speakeasy, and they told me around 5 times they cannot guarantee ping times.. |
| 04:19.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe she'd like to stand on her own merits. |
| 04:19.53 | TheDiff | haha |
| 04:19.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Or maybe she'd like her competitors to. |
| 04:20.05 | TheDiff | well i'll let her tell me that |
| 04:20.07 | TheDiff | since you aren't her |
| 04:20.10 | TheDiff | and i asked her |
| 04:20.18 | TheDiff | so she can tell me what i asked her |
| 04:20.26 | TheDiff | because thats who i asked |
| 04:20.32 | tensai | yeah, good luck getting anybody to guarantee ping times without forking over a sizable chunk of change |
| 04:20.50 | nick125 | i have came to the conlusion that contacting speakeasy support is worthless.. |
| 04:21.40 | maquis | TheDiff: Lone_Wanderer guessed it on the first try |
| 04:21.52 | TheDiff | that aqua teen reference was classic, but my money says no one got it |
| 04:22.44 | nick125 | tensai: well, a 60ms spike is not normal.. |
| 04:22.55 | Lone_Wanderer | It sounds normal to me. |
| 04:28.29 | tensai | nick125: try satellite, then see what you think about 132ms pings |
| 04:30.23 | TheDiff | man i did it again |
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| 04:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I realize why MS sucks |
| 04:34.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I installed Windows Server Update Services, for LAN clients (so windows updates won't DoS the internet) |
| 04:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | It's gotta download 15GB of updates to cache locally |
| 04:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (Over a T1..) |
| 04:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | http://1stnationaltitle.com:7419/history.php?period=43200&dec=0&inc=0&left=0&right=0&stime=yyyymmddhhmm&itemid=17223&action=showhistory&from=0 |
| 04:36.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's going to hurt |
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| 04:39.50 | Lone_Wanderer | What's up with ibot? |
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| 04:41.17 | tensai | maquis: sorry, power outage |
| 04:41.28 | maquis | tensai: ah |
| 04:41.32 | maquis | i was wondering :) |
| 04:42.27 | nick125 | getting a UPS is good.. |
| 04:42.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I had one of those once and it worked great, but it only had enough backed-up plugs for my case and my network connection gear (router, modem, etc.) and no place for the monitor |
| 04:42.40 | Lone_Wanderer | so whenever th e power went out I'd stay connected and running but I couldn't see anything |
| 04:43.18 | nick125 | thats better then losing your mission critical data! |
| 04:43.18 | Lone_Wanderer | well, okay, I could see just fine. but my monitor wasn't displaying anything. |
| 04:43.24 | Lone_Wanderer | that's what I thought! |
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| 04:43.40 | Lone_Wanderer | although in my case it was "mission critical connection to the WoW raid group" |
| 04:43.56 | mheath | lmao.... |
| 04:43.59 | mheath | I just realized |
| 04:44.08 | tensai | monitors eat up quite a lot of juice |
| 04:44.19 | mheath | my "daily calorie intake" recomended by the FDA is 4,000 |
| 04:44.27 | mheath | Today, I've had probably about....10,000. |
| 04:44.49 | Lone_Wanderer | So don't eat for the next two days. |
| 04:44.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Problem solved. |
| 04:45.23 | mheath | They gave us MREs on this hike. I dunno why they gave us MREs on a 3 hour morning hike - I guess they were trying to impress us. |
| 04:45.32 | mheath | Thats like 6,000 calories right theree |
| 04:45.59 | Lone_Wanderer | where did you go? |
| 04:46.10 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: just a trail by Ogden. |
| 04:46.15 | mheath | It was actually rather disappointing |
| 04:46.22 | mheath | This trail system leads to a lot of interesting places |
| 04:46.30 | mheath | We never went to any of them =P |
| 04:46.37 | Lone_Wanderer | bummer |
| 04:46.41 | mheath | My big problem with the MRE.... |
| 04:46.48 | mheath | There are two main course packets in most of them |
| 04:46.57 | mheath | In mine, it was "Country Captain Chicken" and "Mashed Potatoes". |
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| 04:47.22 | ^Migs^ | what trail was it? |
| 04:47.26 | maquis_ | hmmm... |
| 04:47.26 | mheath | They include a chemical heater. You add a small amount of water, and it heats up the food packets. |
| 04:47.33 | ^Migs^ | the Mt. Ogden trails? |
| 04:47.43 | mheath | the problem: ONLY ONE PACKET FITS IN THE HEATER |
| 04:47.46 | maquis_ | tensai: ???? |
| 04:47.53 | mheath | I had a choice: cold mashed potatoes, or cold chiken |
| 04:47.59 | mheath | ^Migs^: Yeah. |
| 04:48.06 | ^Migs^ | yeah, those do go all over the place |
| 04:48.13 | mheath | I don't know what was in that packet |
| 04:48.15 | mheath | It wasn't chicken. |
| 04:48.18 | mheath | That all I know. |
| 04:48.20 | ^Migs^ | did you basically just go from point A to point B, or did you go anywhere like Waterfall Canyon or Malan's Peak? |
| 04:48.35 | ScytheBlade1 | ^Migs^, I take it all back, I'm no longer interested at all in moving anywhere at all away from my neighborhood |
| 04:48.46 | ^Migs^ | okay. I don't really care, ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I have neighbors who give me money ^^ |
| 04:48.59 | ^Migs^ | wtf? |
| 04:49.03 | ^Migs^ | why are they giving you money? |
| 04:49.07 | ^Migs^ | my neighbors need to give me money |
| 04:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | One in specific |
| 04:49.11 | mheath | ^Migs^: Started at 22nd street, past both the turnoffs for Waterfall Canyon and Malan's, kept going for a bit on a trail that leads to who-knows-where, then turned around. |
| 04:49.15 | ScytheBlade1 | $1000 for a "landing page" |
| 04:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It's hard to beat that |
| 04:49.22 | ^Migs^ | nice |
| 04:49.30 | ^Migs^ | what's a landing page? |
| 04:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | go to some random domain |
| 04:49.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll do it for $850. |
| 04:49.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And it's a single-page site |
| 04:49.44 | ^Migs^ | the #&$^!? |
| 04:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | aka 'landing page' |
| 04:49.58 | ^Migs^ | did you QUOTE them that, or did they offer? |
| 04:50.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Offer |
| 04:50.05 | ^Migs^ | wtf? |
| 04:50.08 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 04:50.11 | TheDiff | they must be bank |
| 04:50.16 | ^Migs^ | giant house? |
| 04:50.18 | TheDiff | or retarded |
| 04:50.19 | ScytheBlade1 | No, that's my other neighbor |
| 04:50.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Who built three multi-million dollar houses |
| 04:50.33 | TheDiff | "they gave me 5000 to wash their car" |
| 04:50.37 | ^Migs^ | yeah, that's a great neighbor to have |
| 04:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And then donated a dual 2600+ MP, 4GB RAM, liquid cooled, dual 120GB computer with a free copy of Win2k3 Enterprise |
| 04:50.55 | ScytheBlade1 | .. donated that to me |
| 04:51.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "It just sits in a corner unused, have it" |
| 04:51.22 | TheDiff | ScytheBlade1 is exactly why we need affirmative action |
| 04:51.27 | TheDiff | haha |
| 04:51.28 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:51.30 | Lone_Wanderer | You have a room for rent Scythe? |
| 04:51.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Touche |
| 04:51.38 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ Lone_Wanderer |
| 04:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | No, all the rooms are filled |
| 04:51.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Dang. |
| 04:51.55 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: you're very spoiled. |
| 04:51.59 | ^Migs^ | I do, Lone_Wanderer |
| 04:51.59 | TheDiff | well, i'm sure he wouldn't mind sharing a bed |
| 04:52.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Where do you live, Migs? |
| 04:52.11 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, horribly. On the bright side, I'll be able to pay for college now. |
| 04:52.14 | ^Migs^ | Roy, Utah |
| 04:52.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Where's Roy? |
| 04:52.24 | mheath | ScytheBlade1: So will I, but I'm not spoiled. |
| 04:52.25 | ^Migs^ | just west of Ogden |
| 04:52.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Where's Ogden? |
| 04:52.31 | ^Migs^ | in a nice quiet cul-de-sac |
| 04:52.32 | ^Migs^ | wtf |
| 04:52.34 | ^Migs^ | nm |
| 04:52.35 | TheDiff | google maps is the best! |
| 04:52.41 | TheDiff | tru dat! DOUBLE TRU! |
| 04:52.46 | mheath | I was out in Roy today. |
| 04:52.46 | ^Migs^ | hahahahaha |
| 04:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | mheath, eh, I didn't decide to move here |
| 04:53.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahhhh, yeah. |
| 04:53.23 | Lone_Wanderer | That's a little farther north than I really want to move, I'm afraid. |
| 04:53.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm an hour north of him, too |
| 04:53.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless the rate is really good. |
| 04:53.50 | ^Migs^ | this is another good one: http://www.justinreeve.com/videos/snl_doppleganger.wmv |
| 04:53.58 | ^Migs^ | it's free room and board |
| 04:54.20 | ^Migs^ | all utilities paid, free cable TV, free DSL |
| 04:54.55 | ^Migs^ | sorry, I promised I'd stop talking about this. |
| 04:55.17 | maquis_ | ~lart tensai |
| 04:55.52 | TheDiff | i have a place to live in Utah, i just can't find a JOB |
| 04:56.06 | ^Migs^ | jobs are a dime a dozen |
| 04:56.14 | TheDiff | decently playing |
| 04:56.17 | TheDiff | paying* |
| 04:56.23 | mheath | TheDiff: Come join the Marine Corp. Tell them I sent you. |
| 04:56.27 | ^Migs^ | you could work for the IRS |
| 04:56.32 | ^Migs^ | or ebay, or Iomega, or AOL |
| 04:56.42 | mheath | I get 3 recruit referals, I get a free pair of blues to wear to boot camp graduation :) |
| 04:56.43 | ^Migs^ | what is the minimum salary you would take |
| 04:56.44 | ^Migs^ | ? |
| 04:57.26 | TheDiff | mheath: um, no |
| 04:57.31 | TheDiff | i can find a job, just not in CA |
| 04:57.32 | mheath | TheDiff: Um, yes. |
| 04:57.42 | TheDiff | i mean UT |
| 04:57.59 | ^Migs^ | then why not consider moving? |
| 04:58.10 | ^Migs^ | the only reason I don't move is because my family is attached to Utah |
| 04:58.14 | ^Migs^ | well, I'm kind of attached, too |
| 04:58.17 | TheDiff | um |
| 04:58.18 | TheDiff | i did move |
| 04:58.30 | ^Migs^ | why the heck would you move here? |
| 04:58.44 | TheDiff | i just wanted to spend a summer in UT because my dad/sister are moving there |
| 04:58.48 | TheDiff | but other than that |
| 04:58.49 | TheDiff | i wouldnt |
| 04:58.56 | ^Migs^ | well, move back |
| 04:58.59 | TheDiff | by job, i meant internship |
| 04:59.04 | ^Migs^ | oh |
| 04:59.18 | ^Migs^ | just keep tabs on monster.com |
| 04:59.23 | ^Migs^ | you probably already are |
| 04:59.36 | ^Migs^ | and the newspaper, of course |
| 04:59.44 | TheDiff | i'm kinda over it |
| 04:59.54 | TheDiff | i've already been interviewing with Apple & Sun Labs here |
| 05:00.05 | ^Migs^ | cool |
| 05:00.18 | ^Migs^ | and they turned you down? |
| 05:00.25 | TheDiff | haha no |
| 05:00.33 | ^Migs^ | okay |
| 05:00.37 | ^Migs^ | because I was ready to lay the smackdown |
| 05:00.38 | TheDiff | Sun Labs I have another interview with mid april |
| 05:01.25 | mheath | 3 months until I'm gone! |
| 05:01.49 | TheDiff | hmm, maybe i shoudl move to the middle east too |
| 05:02.04 | mheath | Like, 3 months from TODAY, this time at night, I'll be at Salt Lake City airport leaving :) |
| 05:02.10 | mheath | TheDiff: I'll be there in a year. |
| 05:02.27 | TheDiff | you should learn to speak farsi |
| 05:03.01 | TheDiff | iranian girls are cuties |
| 05:03.10 | maquis_ | haha |
| 05:03.13 | mheath | Sorry, I respect peoples religious beliefs. |
| 05:03.22 | TheDiff | i'm serious |
| 05:03.54 | TheDiff | theres alot of persian girls at my school |
| 05:04.02 | TheDiff | mheath: religious beliefs? |
| 05:04.33 | TheDiff | i dont know what that is in reference to, but okay |
| 05:04.47 | ^Migs^ | my religious belief is that you shouldn't respect other people's religious beliefs. Do you respect that? |
| 05:04.53 | TheDiff | haha |
| 05:05.13 | TheDiff | i respect the fact that you don't respect |
| 05:05.31 | ^Migs^ | how can you respect that, when I don't respect you respecting my disrespect? |
| 05:06.14 | TheDiff | one has to respect another mans right to disrespect that which should be respected |
| 05:06.35 | mheath | I respect it. I don't agree. |
| 05:06.42 | TheDiff | haha |
| 05:06.49 | ^Migs^ | I'm not even sure what "respect" means anymore, in this context |
| 05:08.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I think my body is telling me I need to sleep. |
| 05:08.11 | TheDiff | haha |
| 05:08.14 | mheath | It's lieing. |
| 05:08.21 | TheDiff | sleep is overrated |
| 05:08.27 | TheDiff | marines, they don't sleep. EVER. |
| 05:08.36 | mheath | Oorah! :) |
| 05:08.42 | mheath | Hey |
| 05:08.59 | mheath | All you need is water |
| 05:09.06 | mheath | And you have hot coffee! :) |
| 05:09.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I've sworn off caffeine. |
| 05:09.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Ever since I became agnostic. |
| 05:09.53 | TheDiff | haha |
| 05:09.54 | TheDiff | awesome |
| 05:10.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah I like to buck the trend. |
| 05:10.08 | TheDiff | caffeine is for the weak |
| 05:10.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm also telling all my friends how great the LDS church is for the first time in my life. |
| 05:10.41 | Lone_Wanderer | "Well, no, I don't believe it. But as far as something to believe goes, it's really not that bad." |
| 05:10.53 | ^Migs^ | yeah, Mormons rock |
| 05:10.56 | TheDiff | its like that south park episode |
| 05:11.05 | mheath | Yeah |
| 05:11.06 | ^Migs^ | haha, yeah |
| 05:11.13 | mheath | they leave cookies and nice things on my door =P |
| 05:11.18 | Lone_Wanderer | that's awesome |
| 05:11.25 | mheath | Ooohh! |
| 05:11.45 | TheDiff | perhaps you should widen your horizons |
| 05:11.49 | TheDiff | and try a different band |
| 05:11.52 | TheDiff | that hasnt been dead for 30 years |
| 05:12.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe some Perry Como. |
| 05:12.23 | TheDiff | i dont know who that is, but yes, something like that |
| 05:12.47 | mheath | Like: |
| 05:12.50 | Lone_Wanderer | He's a lot older than the Beatles. |
| 05:12.56 | TheDiff | haha |
| 05:13.01 | TheDiff | then no, thats not what i'm talking about |
| 05:13.05 | goozbach | go utes!!!! |
| 05:13.17 | Lone_Wanderer | What is it with Mars Volta? |
| 05:13.19 | TheDiff | Mars Volta is pretty good |
| 05:13.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Everyone loves Mars Volta. |
| 05:13.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Except me. |
| 05:13.34 | TheDiff | because of their complex song structures and wierd time signatures |
| 05:13.36 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: I just like their basist. I'm not a big fan of their vocals. |
| 05:14.01 | TheDiff | i like the guys voice, his lyrics are really convoluted |
| 05:14.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I know that I'm not appreciating music to the extent that I could be |
| 05:14.07 | TheDiff | its hard to tell the meaning, if there is any |
| 05:14.14 | TheDiff | usually there is |
| 05:14.16 | Lone_Wanderer | but I don't really listen to music for it's complex song structure or time signature |
| 05:14.28 | Lone_Wanderer | at least, not consciously |
| 05:14.30 | TheDiff | i really like how he mixes english and espanol |
| 05:14.34 | TheDiff | De Rabia Naci |
| 05:14.34 | mheath | Lone_Wanderer: I like two types of music |
| 05:14.41 | mheath | One, the kind that gets me moving |
| 05:14.55 | mheath | Its upbeat, it gets my head moving, gets my body moving, and puts me in a GOOD MOOD! |
| 05:15.10 | mheath | Second, the kind of music that is just plain amazing, talent wise. |
| 05:15.26 | TheDiff | after learning how to play drums I got a much deeper appreciation of bands like Mars Volta |
| 05:15.34 | mheath | wow |
| 05:15.47 | mheath | This song sucks |
| 05:15.50 | TheDiff | haha |
| 05:15.56 | TheDiff | mheath: try Hot Water Music |
| 05:16.00 | mheath | (Not the Mars Volta song) |
| 05:16.04 | TheDiff | their bassist & drummer were both trained in jazz |
| 05:16.21 | goozbach | maquis_: the answer is no |
| 05:16.23 | mheath | No...I kinda like this song. The overall beat and feel (though the lyrics are 100% about drugs) |
| 05:16.32 | mheath | BUt I'm listening to an earlier verison of the song |
| 05:16.38 | TheDiff | they are pretty accessible too |
| 05:16.38 | mheath | That was on the band's demo tape, before they got signed |
| 05:16.42 | goozbach | it got too late |
| 05:16.46 | mheath | and it sounds nothing like the newer version. Its horrible. |
| 05:16.57 | goozbach | and the cows got out |
| 05:17.25 | goozbach | :) |
| 05:17.31 | TheDiff | moo |
| 05:17.42 | mheath | Again, decent, but 100% about drugs.....I don't like the lyrics. |
| 05:17.51 | maquis_ | goozbach: answer to.... |
| 05:17.53 | goozbach | this has been your random goozbach comment of the day |
| 05:18.25 | goozbach | maquis_: the question you /msgled me |
| 05:20.00 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 05:20.02 | Lone_Wanderer | g'night all |
| 05:20.06 | Lone_Wanderer | sleep well, etc. |
| 05:21.29 | TheDiff | ^Migs^: have you ever used PEAR classes? |
| 05:22.20 | ^Migs^ | I used the mailer class once, I think |
| 05:22.30 | ^Migs^ | what do you need help with? |
| 05:22.33 | goozbach | PEAR is about as cooll as php can get |
| 05:22.38 | TheDiff | haha |
| 05:22.40 | ^Migs^ | yeah, PEAR is awesome |
| 05:22.45 | ^Migs^ | they're just extra classes |
| 05:22.50 | ^Migs^ | for really useful stuff |
| 05:22.51 | TheDiff | can you just download the class and include it in your website directory |
| 05:23.02 | TheDiff | or do you need to like install it on your system somehow |
| 05:23.05 | ^Migs^ | aren't they automatically included now? |
| 05:23.10 | TheDiff | ummm |
| 05:23.15 | ^Migs^ | I guess not |
| 05:23.19 | TheDiff | i dont know |
| 05:23.26 | ^Migs^ | I don't know. Look it up: http://pear.php.net |
| 05:23.57 | ^Migs^ | Smarty is quite cool too |
| 05:24.09 | ^Migs^ | I'm using it right now for the first time on a site, and i'm pleasantly surprised |
| 05:24.24 | ^Migs^ | I mean, it still could use some work, but I was almost expecting it to be a waste of time |
| 05:26.00 | nick125 | If anyone here uses it, I have a few questions to ask conserning how you manage users and such |
| 05:26.12 | nick125 | (and sessions, etc) |
| 05:28.01 | goozbach | irc a 75mph |
| 05:28.07 | goozbach | this rocks |
| 05:28.32 | goozbach | now if only this truck wasnt so bumpy |
| 05:29.29 | goozbach | ohh just imagine getting internet on a plane... |
| 05:29.43 | goozbach | irc at 400mph |
| 05:30.04 | mheath | haha |
| 05:30.07 | mheath | =\ |
| 05:30.08 | goozbach | ohhh carsickness |
| 05:30.18 | goozbach | bbl |
| 05:30.20 | mheath | Wonder if I'll get to IRC from Iraq =\ |
| 05:31.05 | TheDiff | hmm, i dont know if this server will let me install pear |
| 05:39.48 | TheDiff | not cool. |
| 05:41.42 | nick125 | what server? |
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| 06:11.34 | TheDiff | nick125: some server that my friend has an account on |
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| 06:42.29 | maquis | The tragedy of Canada is they could have had British culture, French cooking, and American technology, but instead they got American culture, British cooking, and French technology. |
| 06:43.06 | ^Migs^ | we should just declare Canada the 51st state |
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| 06:45.14 | darkmaze | hi |
| 06:46.32 | darkmaze | is oss existant in here? |
| 06:55.34 | TheDiff | haha |
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| 07:15.41 | xbmodder_lappy | Does anyone have any good dark fiber maps, and/or the pricing? |
| 07:18.09 | xbmodder_lappy | I have heard it starts at .50 cents a meter and goes all the way up to 6.00 bucks a foot |
| 07:21.20 | xbmodder_lappy | s/foot/meter/ |
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| 07:30.48 | TheDiff | xbmodder_lappy: dark fiber? |
| 07:34.19 | nick125 | TheDiff: its fiber they paint black |
| 07:34.20 | nick125 | :p |
| 07:34.36 | nick125 | actually, its just un-utilized fiber.. |
| 07:34.47 | nick125 | that you can buy |
| 07:34.59 | nick125 | for usually less then it would cost to lay the actually stuff out |
| 07:40.58 | TheDiff | what do you mean fiber |
| 07:41.02 | TheDiff | wtf is fiber |
| 07:41.11 | TheDiff | carbon fiber? |
| 07:41.26 | nick125 | fiber you can pass light down though.. |
| 07:41.36 | nick125 | mainly used in OC connections |
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| 07:50.28 | xbmodder_lappy | TheDiff, yes... |
| 07:55.30 | TheDiff | um |
| 07:55.37 | TheDiff | well you are saying carbon fiber |
| 07:56.03 | TheDiff | this other dude is saying fiber optics |
| 07:57.17 | xbmodder_lappy | I am saying carbon? |
| 07:57.30 | xbmodder_lappy | I mean fiber optics |
| 08:00.04 | TheDiff | textbooks make me a sad panda :( |
| 08:00.13 | maquis | panda? |
| 08:00.14 | TheDiff | i dont like forking over $400 a quarter for books |
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| 08:00.22 | maquis | ~poach TheDiff |
| 08:00.34 | TheDiff | that makes me delicious |
| 08:00.35 | Hhhhhhh | hello |
| 08:00.44 | TheDiff | Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhelllo |
| 08:01.29 | Hhhhhhh | it is just 7 Hs |
| 08:01.47 | xbmodder_lappy | Hhhhhh! |
| 08:02.05 | xbmodder_lappy | 'H'+6*'h' |
| 08:02.07 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 08:02.08 | Hhhhhhh | 5 Hs = my desktop, 6 Hs = computer at research lab, 7 Hs = PDA |
| 08:02.49 | TheDiff | sorry |
| 08:02.51 | TheDiff | i can't count |
| 08:02.54 | Hhhhhhh | hehe |
| 08:02.55 | TheDiff | i'm dyslexic |
| 08:03.13 | Hhhhhhh | right now I am in my PDA running Zic |
| 08:03.18 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:03.20 | TheDiff | what kind of pda |
| 08:03.33 | Hhhhhhh | Sharp Zaurus SL-5500 |
| 08:03.36 | xbmodder_lappy | :-) |
| 08:03.42 | Hhhhhhh | running kernel 2.4.18 |
| 08:03.52 | xbmodder_lappy | Cool. |
| 08:04.02 | xbmodder_lappy | Upgrade to 2.6! |
| 08:04.05 | xbmodder_lappy | 2.5 |
| 08:04.06 | Hhhhhhh | Linux PDA baby :) |
| 08:04.43 | Hhhhhhh | I would need to switch ROMs then |
| 08:04.50 | Hhhhhhh | I dont wanna do that |
| 08:05.37 | TheDiff | maquis: sad panda was a sp reference |
| 08:05.51 | Hhhhhhh | so, whats up ppl |
| 08:05.58 | Hhhhhhh | what are you up to |
| 08:08.16 | TheDiff | listing my textbooks on ScrewTheBookstores.com |
| 08:08.16 | TheDiff | clutch |
| 08:08.32 | Hhhhhhh | awesome |
| 08:08.51 | Hhhhhhh | I always try to buy my books online |
| 08:09.06 | Hhhhhhh | I save 45%+ in average |
| 08:09.11 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 08:09.26 | xbmodder_lappy | I want a dark fiber interconnect between point A and B |
| 08:12.14 | TheDiff | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.20 | TheDiff | In this case, the fiber is neither controlled by nor connected to the phone company. Instead, the company or individual provides the necessary components to make it functional. |
| 08:12.26 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah... |
| 08:12.27 | TheDiff | you probably shouldn't have made me look that up |
| 08:12.57 | xbmodder_lappy | I just need to buy (most likely lease) it from the idioitic company who owns it. |
| 08:14.57 | TheDiff | i just need to pay my tuition |
| 08:15.36 | maquis | i just need to pass all my classes |
| 08:15.41 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:15.44 | TheDiff | you willll |
| 08:15.59 | TheDiff | spring quarter starts on monday! |
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| 08:16.08 | TheDiff | maquis: when are you done with classes |
| 08:16.20 | maquis | this semester? classes end the 17th, i think |
| 08:16.23 | maquis | and then we've got finals |
| 08:16.28 | TheDiff | may? |
| 08:16.40 | maquis | then i'm headed home for like 3-4 days, and then i'm back for spring/summer |
| 08:16.42 | maquis | no... april |
| 08:16.47 | maquis | Hhhhhhh: lucky |
| 08:16.49 | Hhhhhhh | :) |
| 08:16.55 | maquis | 5 more months |
| 08:17.04 | TheDiff | maquis: you guys are on quarters too? |
| 08:17.05 | maquis | i just gotta keep passing for 5 more months |
| 08:17.09 | maquis | TheDiff: not really |
| 08:17.17 | Hhhhhhh | well, I will have to take 1 class in the spring though... |
| 08:17.25 | maquis | we have 2 semesters, and 2 half-semesters |
| 08:17.33 | TheDiff | woah |
| 08:17.34 | TheDiff | wierd |
| 08:17.36 | maquis | Hhhhhhh: going to grad school afterwards? |
| 08:17.41 | TheDiff | the 2 half-semesters are in the summer? |
| 08:17.45 | maquis | TheDiff: yeah |
| 08:17.58 | maquis | spring/summer are each half the length of fall or winter |
| 08:18.10 | TheDiff | but you only have to go to fall/winter, right? |
| 08:18.14 | maquis | yeah |
| 08:18.16 | Hhhhhhh | yup, I have been admitted into the CS PhD program at Georgia Tech |
| 08:18.22 | maquis | i've never gone spring/summer before |
| 08:18.26 | maquis | Hhhhhhh: cool |
| 08:18.27 | TheDiff | Hhhhhhh: where are you going now? |
| 08:18.29 | maquis | you excited? |
| 08:18.50 | Hhhhhhh | they are flying me out next weekend (Im gonna miss Gral Conference) |
| 08:18.53 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:19.11 | TheDiff | gradschool is bombness |
| 08:19.39 | maquis | gradschool is school |
| 08:19.49 | TheDiff | its different from school |
| 08:19.56 | maquis | do you still have homework? |
| 08:20.02 | Hhhhhhh | yes |
| 08:20.04 | maquis | if so, it still sucks |
| 08:20.09 | TheDiff | you basically spend 5/6 years doign research |
| 08:20.10 | Hhhhhhh | when you take classes |
| 08:20.18 | TheDiff | and you only take classes as you need them |
| 08:20.25 | Hhhhhhh | but yea, its pretty much all research |
| 08:20.53 | maquis | i just want to get out of school, where i can spend my evenings and weekends doing *something* besides school stuff |
| 08:21.06 | TheDiff | parttyyyy |
| 08:21.15 | Hhhhhhh | maquis, grad school is nothing like undergrad |
| 08:21.21 | Hhhhhhh | no piles'of hw |
| 08:21.34 | TheDiff | well, for PhD |
| 08:21.35 | maquis | TheDiff: or maybe just sleep... or do stuff i feel like working on... or *something* that's not stressful |
| 08:21.37 | TheDiff | i dont know about masters |
| 08:21.43 | Hhhhhhh | true |
| 08:22.10 | Hhhhhhh | maquis, grad school is all about doing stuff you feel like doing |
| 08:22.19 | Hhhhhhh | (heh, to a point) |
| 08:22.28 | maquis | maybe in a few years, when i'm disillusioned with work..... if i'm not married, i might look into it |
| 08:22.41 | maquis | Hhhhhhh: it's still not "you can do whatever you feel like in the evenings", as i understand |
| 08:22.48 | maquis | which is what i'm looking forward to |
| 08:23.27 | Hhhhhhh | it depends, what i find annoying about undergrad is doing little hws here and there |
| 08:23.45 | Hhhhhhh | if it wasnt for that, youd have plenty of time in the evening |
| 08:23.47 | TheDiff | go to work, go home, go to sleep, go to work, go home, go to sleep, go to work, go home, go to sleep |
| 08:23.53 | TheDiff | not looking forward to that |
| 08:24.01 | Hhhhhhh | yea, me neither |
| 08:24.07 | maquis | what i find annoying about school is *constantly* being behind, so i have to spend every waking moment (and most of the time that i'm supposed to be sleeping) trying to catch up so that i can at least pass my classes |
| 08:24.10 | Hhhhhhh | I dont like industry |
| 08:24.37 | Hhhhhhh | maquis, yea, well grad school isnt about that |
| 08:24.42 | maquis | TheDiff: how is that different from go to school, go home, do homework til 4am, sleep til 8, wake up, go to school, go home, do homework til 4am, sleep til 8, etc? |
| 08:24.44 | Hhhhhhh | thats undergrad |
| 08:24.51 | TheDiff | the summer before my freshman year in college, i worked in a factory on the line |
| 08:24.57 | TheDiff | 40 hours a week, so you just work |
| 08:25.03 | TheDiff | and then you are so tired you dont want to do anything except eat |
| 08:25.06 | TheDiff | and i would go running |
| 08:25.09 | TheDiff | then i would go to bed |
| 08:25.10 | TheDiff | it was the worst |
| 08:25.17 | TheDiff | but i knew i was only doing it for 3 months |
| 08:25.27 | TheDiff | most of the people there were going to do it for the rest of their lives |
| 08:25.34 | TheDiff | it was the most depressing thing, EVER |
| 08:26.13 | TheDiff | and school for me isn't go to school come home |
| 08:26.17 | TheDiff | its like go to an hour of class here |
| 08:26.23 | TheDiff | screw around for like 2 hours with my friends |
| 08:26.29 | TheDiff | go to another hour or 2 of class |
| 08:26.33 | TheDiff | then i'm done for the day |
| 08:26.36 | Hhhhhhh | well, doing programming grunt work is not any better, TheDiff |
| 08:26.42 | TheDiff | and I can go out and do outside stuff |
| 08:26.49 | TheDiff | or whatever i want |
| 08:26.52 | TheDiff | and then do homework later |
| 08:26.54 | TheDiff | or not at all |
| 08:27.01 | TheDiff | since its only like 10% of the grade |
| 08:27.01 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:27.06 | Hhhhhhh | hehe |
| 08:27.19 | Hhhhhhh | I like this guy :) |
| 08:27.28 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:27.31 | TheDiff | well your dad |
| 08:27.38 | TheDiff | no offense, but you are an adult |
| 08:27.42 | TheDiff | its kind of your own thing now |
| 08:27.49 | maquis | yeah.. but my parents don't get that |
| 08:28.05 | TheDiff | thats why you go to school 3000 miles away |
| 08:28.08 | ctr | One of the benefits to moving out is escaping that |
| 08:28.12 | ctr | TheDiff: precisely |
| 08:28.16 | TheDiff | yeah seriously |
| 08:28.23 | TheDiff | i talk to my mom like 1 a month, maybe |
| 08:28.28 | ctr | I talk to mine once a year |
| 08:28.31 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:28.33 | TheDiff | good job |
| 08:28.34 | ctr | haha, but I hate her :( |
| 08:28.35 | Hhhhhhh | lol |
| 08:28.36 | ctr | so.. |
| 08:28.56 | maquis | my mom would be very depressed if i didn't call at least once a week |
| 08:29.02 | Hhhhhhh | k, Im out guys |
| 08:29.04 | ctr | lates |
| 08:29.07 | maquis | Hhhhhhh: later |
| 08:29.08 | ctr | maquis: understandable |
| 08:29.10 | Hhhhhhh | have a good night |
| 08:29.10 | TheDiff | see ya |
| 08:29.17 | ctr | so move away and use the phone |
| 08:29.22 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:29.24 | ctr | sounds like a plan if you ask me |
| 08:29.37 | maquis | ctr: that's what i'm doing now... but i'm going back to seattle after school... |
| 08:30.21 | maquis | and... i dunno... i still like to see my parents a lot... it's just i get annoyed when they start making a big deal about stuff that just stresses me out worse |
| 08:30.29 | ctr | agreed |
| 08:30.38 | TheDiff | well its nice you have a good relationship with your parents |
| 08:30.48 | ctr | maquis: the only other thing I would/could suggest |
| 08:30.52 | ctr | is just sitting them down |
| 08:30.53 | TheDiff | pretty much everyone i know has disfunctional families |
| 08:30.56 | ctr | telling them what's up |
| 08:31.06 | ctr | TheDiff: amen |
| 08:31.12 | maquis | ctr: yeah... i'm trying to come up with a way to talk to them about it... |
| 08:31.35 | ctr | maquis: keep them sober so that the contracts are legit :) |
| 08:31.46 | maquis | ctr: ?? |
| 08:31.49 | ctr | it was a joke |
| 08:31.51 | ctr | :( |
| 08:31.58 | maquis | oh... ok... i guess i didn't get it |
| 08:32.02 | ctr | That's fine |
| 08:32.06 | maquis | haha |
| 08:32.07 | ctr | I am sorta off today |
| 08:32.12 | maquis | tis ok |
| 08:32.16 | maquis | i've been off all week |
| 08:32.25 | ctr | i'm super stoked for this next installment of obsd |
| 08:32.27 | TheDiff | just be like "dad, mom, I love you guys and I love talking to you. but I feel like I am an adult now, and I need to get a little more independence because one day you won't be there to help me, and I'll need to fend for myself." |
| 08:32.30 | ctr | i wish the cd's would get here |
| 08:32.31 | TheDiff | the end |
| 08:32.42 | maquis | TheDiff: yeah... |
| 08:32.42 | ctr | yeah |
| 08:32.44 | ctr | then just walk away |
| 08:32.47 | ctr | :) |
| 08:32.48 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:32.51 | maquis | :) |
| 08:33.05 | TheDiff | there can't be an awkward moment if there is no moment! |
| 08:33.06 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:33.18 | ctr | exactly :) |
| 08:33.38 | ctr | haha, nah, but if they are reasonable people which they sound like, based on their interest in your grades, you should be able to talk to them without much of a hang up |
| 08:33.42 | ctr | imho |
| 08:33.49 | maquis | yeah |
| 08:33.54 | ctr | what do I now though right? I mean I killed all relationships with my family years ago |
| 08:33.59 | ctr | haha, so I'm not one to talk |
| 08:34.05 | ctr | but I will anyways! |
| 08:34.08 | maquis | haha |
| 08:36.49 | TheDiff | i was sad when i realized parents aren't as smart and all knowing as I thought they were when i was little |
| 08:36.57 | TheDiff | and that they are just older versions of us |
| 08:37.05 | TheDiff | and really dont know what they are talking about |
| 08:37.09 | TheDiff | :( |
| 08:37.11 | ctr | aint that the truth |
| 08:38.15 | TheDiff | Political Philosophy is going to be so bomb next quarter |
| 08:38.23 | ctr | you go from thinking they know everything (preteen years), to thinking you know everything (teenage years), back to thinking they know more than you had recently given them credit for (18-25) and then finally realizing that no, they don't deserve much credit, they are just as ignorant as the next person |
| 08:38.33 | TheDiff | hahaha |
| 08:38.41 | TheDiff | you should make a diagram of that |
| 08:38.46 | ctr | yeah :) |
| 08:38.46 | TheDiff | like "cycle of life" |
| 08:38.49 | ctr | back and forth |
| 08:38.51 | ctr | forth* |
| 08:38.53 | TheDiff | but "cycle of parental perception" |
| 08:38.58 | ctr | yes |
| 08:39.05 | ctr | haha, I'm on it! |
| 08:39.21 | ctr | i'm gonna have fancy flash animations and sexy women dancing in almost nothing |
| 08:39.37 | maquis | haha |
| 08:39.41 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:39.51 | TheDiff | that won't be Bob-safe |
| 08:39.56 | TheDiff | or LDS-safe for that matter |
| 08:40.01 | ctr | very true |
| 08:40.08 | ctr | good thing i never had the intent |
| 08:41.25 | TheDiff | did you know CS majors typically do very well in philosophy classes, because they are very good at logic and reasoning? |
| 08:44.35 | ctr | I didn't know that |
| 08:45.17 | ctr | :) night night |
| 08:45.24 | ctr | TheDiff: that doesn't surprise me |
| 08:45.32 | ctr | I generally make fun of cs majors |
| 08:45.35 | ctr | is that bad? |
| 08:45.40 | TheDiff | no |
| 08:45.43 | TheDiff | because i'm not one |
| 08:45.44 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:45.47 | ctr | haha perfect |
| 08:46.14 | ctr | I sorta have a grudge against public education in most shapes and forms |
| 08:46.37 | TheDiff | public education as in public schools |
| 08:46.42 | TheDiff | or just school systems in general |
| 08:47.24 | ctr | I would have to go with both |
| 08:47.59 | ctr | but the public education system is often times used as the model in private schooling and others |
| 08:48.03 | ctr | so I sorta just generalize there |
| 08:48.24 | ctr | but yeah, I think they're fundamentally flawed I suppose |
| 08:48.34 | TheDiff | hmm, how so? |
| 08:49.10 | TheDiff | do you think it would be better to go back to the whole one teacher, one pupil system |
| 08:49.17 | ctr | I think educational facilities should be in place to teach study habits and personal research skills ONLY |
| 08:49.26 | ctr | let people take the initiative |
| 08:49.27 | TheDiff | where basically you find some dude in the trade you want to get in, and just learn it from him? |
| 08:49.31 | ctr | nah |
| 08:49.33 | ctr | well I mean |
| 08:49.35 | ctr | I suppose |
| 08:49.38 | ctr | I never really thought about that |
| 08:49.40 | ctr | but I mean |
| 08:49.45 | ctr | as far as public education goes |
| 08:49.55 | ctr | I think we should be in school for 5-6 years |
| 08:49.59 | ctr | doing nothing but learning how to learn |
| 08:50.04 | TheDiff | you mean they shouldn't have a set curriculum |
| 08:50.08 | ctr | yes |
| 08:50.11 | TheDiff | okay |
| 08:50.14 | ctr | we should learn the tools |
| 08:50.16 | ctr | learn how to use them |
| 08:50.19 | ctr | learn how to think for ourselves |
| 08:50.21 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 08:50.24 | ctr | and then everything else is up to us |
| 08:50.37 | ctr | if we are fine working at mcdonalds for the rest of our lives |
| 08:50.42 | ctr | we dont waste all that time in school |
| 08:50.44 | ctr | for no reason |
| 08:50.59 | ctr | and those who want to make money, or challenge them selves in larger ways, can do so |
| 08:51.03 | TheDiff | well, i guess peopel would do better |
| 08:51.07 | ctr | maybe |
| 08:51.11 | TheDiff | if they were actually doing stuff they were motivated in |
| 08:51.13 | ctr | yeah |
| 08:51.17 | ctr | I don't know though.. |
| 08:51.22 | TheDiff | like alot of people who do badly in school do so because they dont see the point |
| 08:51.23 | TheDiff | they dont care |
| 08:51.24 | ctr | I sorta wonder how motivated people would be |
| 08:51.31 | ctr | agreed |
| 08:51.39 | ctr | I sorta think that under my proposed system |
| 08:51.42 | ctr | the country would fail |
| 08:51.43 | ctr | haha |
| 08:51.46 | TheDiff | hahaha |
| 08:51.46 | ctr | cause we are so lazy as a nation |
| 08:51.50 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 08:51.53 | TheDiff | well as soon as we fail |
| 08:51.57 | TheDiff | and we start starving |
| 08:52.00 | ctr | i think most people would hit that rebelious area in life and quit |
| 08:52.04 | TheDiff | we'll get alot better, real quick |
| 08:52.07 | ctr | yeah that's true |
| 08:52.12 | TheDiff | or die |
| 08:52.15 | TheDiff | evolution! |
| 08:52.30 | ctr | I don't know.. the other beef I have is this mentality that you need a cert of some sort, or a degree to make it in life |
| 08:52.34 | ctr | which is pure bs |
| 08:52.43 | ctr | and I will argue that to the grave |
| 08:52.46 | TheDiff | yeah it is |
| 08:52.55 | TheDiff | but is nice to know that if you are hiring some dude to do something |
| 08:53.14 | TheDiff | you can have some kind of proof of qualification |
| 08:53.18 | ctr | nah |
| 08:53.19 | TheDiff | instead of them just BSing you |
| 08:53.23 | ctr | those papers dont prove shit |
| 08:53.29 | ctr | at least from where I stand |
| 08:53.37 | TheDiff | thats true, but it proves more than some guy smooth talking you |
| 08:53.45 | ctr | maybe |
| 08:53.51 | TheDiff | i knwo alot of people in my school who are going to have the same degree as me |
| 08:53.56 | ctr | but there are other ways to determine whether a person is qualified |
| 08:53.59 | TheDiff | adn i know they don't deserve it, they are pretty dumb |
| 08:54.10 | TheDiff | but they are probably better off than someone who didnt do it at all |
| 08:54.17 | ctr | i disagree with that |
| 08:54.28 | ctr | all it takes to be successful is real world experience |
| 08:54.34 | ctr | someting that a school cant give you |
| 08:54.39 | ctr | and the ability to sell yourself |
| 08:54.42 | ctr | if you have those two things |
| 08:54.46 | ctr | you can go as far as you want |
| 08:54.52 | ctr | if you dont have those skills |
| 08:54.54 | ctr | you have nothing to sell |
| 08:54.56 | ctr | so of course |
| 08:54.57 | ctr | you need both |
| 08:55.08 | ctr | but I look at all my friends going to school |
| 08:55.10 | ctr | wasting time |
| 08:55.11 | TheDiff | hmm, but thats assuming you want to sell your services |
| 08:55.12 | ctr | wasting money |
| 08:55.16 | ctr | what? |
| 08:55.21 | ctr | no |
| 08:55.23 | ctr | sell yourself |
| 08:55.23 | TheDiff | school is geared towards more than just getting a job |
| 08:55.26 | ctr | no |
| 08:55.29 | ctr | that's not what I mean |
| 08:55.35 | ctr | when I say, 'sell yourself' |
| 08:55.40 | ctr | i mean you walk into an interview |
| 08:55.47 | ctr | and you sell your qualities |
| 08:55.49 | ctr | you make it clear |
| 08:55.52 | ctr | that you are what they need |
| 08:55.55 | ctr | that what you bring to the table |
| 08:55.57 | ctr | is what they need |
| 08:56.03 | ctr | and something they would benefit from |
| 08:56.13 | ctr | it's the ability to clearly articulate your strong points |
| 08:56.15 | ctr | and close the deal |
| 08:56.21 | ctr | make them understand what it is you can do for them |
| 08:56.26 | ctr | and why you're the person to do it |
| 08:56.29 | ctr | that's selling yourself |
| 08:56.47 | TheDiff | hmm |
| 08:56.51 | TheDiff | well i see what you are saying |
| 08:56.56 | TheDiff | but the best smoothtalkers i know |
| 08:56.59 | TheDiff | are real pieces of crap |
| 08:57.04 | ctr | like i said though |
| 08:57.11 | ctr | there's plenty of ways to see if someone can walk the walk |
| 08:57.14 | ctr | and not just talk the talk |
| 08:57.24 | ctr | (i can't believe I just used that) |
| 08:57.29 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 08:57.30 | ctr | my dad is showing up more and more in me |
| 08:57.35 | ctr | i hate it :( |
| 08:57.38 | TheDiff | haha |
| 08:57.52 | ctr | i guess those are there for a reason though :) |
| 08:57.53 | TheDiff | hey, you can't help how you were trained |
| 08:57.58 | ctr | it's true :) |
| 08:58.13 | TheDiff | parenting is basically legal brainwashing |
| 08:58.26 | ctr | yeah, agreed |
| 08:58.34 | ctr | not that brainwashing is always a bad thing |
| 08:58.38 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 08:59.14 | TheDiff | i've always wondered how platos parenting system would actually work out in the real world |
| 08:59.24 | TheDiff | where he basically says no child ever really knows who their parents are |
| 08:59.25 | ctr | yeah.. |
| 08:59.33 | ctr | I don't know... |
| 08:59.33 | TheDiff | they are raised in a group by the community |
| 08:59.53 | ctr | the conditioning we recieve would definitely not be as 'sheltered' |
| 09:00.07 | ctr | we'd be exposed to more variants in lifestyles too |
| 09:00.13 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 09:00.14 | ctr | and people would probably be more freethinking |
| 09:00.25 | ctr | and adventurous in nature |
| 09:01.11 | ctr | I wonder if there's scocieties that have that sort of system in place today |
| 09:01.50 | TheDiff | like tribal societies that still exist |
| 09:01.57 | TheDiff | in like africa or asia |
| 09:02.09 | ctr | so they do? |
| 09:02.42 | TheDiff | i'm not sure, but its plausible |
| 09:02.58 | ctr | and likely, I'd suspect.. |
| 09:03.07 | ctr | surely someones tried to implement that sort of thing |
| 09:03.34 | ctr | unless it was horribly innefficient, there's probaby remnants still thriving somewhere |
| 09:04.07 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 09:18.09 | ctr | i'm switching wm's again haha |
| 09:18.15 | ctr | spent a month with ratpoison |
| 09:18.18 | ctr | liked it |
| 09:18.22 | ctr | but wanna try ion now |
| 09:18.33 | TheDiff | i've heard good things about ion |
| 09:18.38 | TheDiff | my friend uses it |
| 09:18.43 | TheDiff | what was ratpoison like? |
| 09:18.52 | ctr | screen + mouse support |
| 09:20.45 | TheDiff | woah, what? |
| 09:21.00 | ctr | have you used screen at all? |
| 09:21.04 | TheDiff | um yeah |
| 09:21.05 | TheDiff | constantly |
| 09:21.06 | ctr | ok |
| 09:21.13 | ctr | well it's screen + mouse support |
| 09:21.16 | TheDiff | it is the greatest gift to man |
| 09:21.18 | ctr | that's really the only way to explain it |
| 09:21.19 | ctr | I agree |
| 09:21.22 | TheDiff | this sounds amazing |
| 09:21.27 | ctr | it's pretty slick |
| 09:21.44 | ctr | openbsd uses fvwm by default |
| 09:21.52 | ctr | and it's meh |
| 09:21.54 | ctr | i like the pager |
| 09:22.12 | ctr | I don't know |
| 09:22.16 | TheDiff | i use an overlay for fvwm |
| 09:22.22 | ctr | for the longest time I used openbox + pypanel |
| 09:22.28 | TheDiff | fvwm is amazingly powerful, its just nuts to configure |
| 09:23.03 | ctr | I leave it defaulted |
| 09:23.16 | ctr | one thing that bugs me is the coloring of the windows |
| 09:23.20 | ctr | blue and red |
| 09:23.21 | ctr | ick |
| 09:23.25 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:23.27 | ctr | obviously a programmers selection |
| 09:23.30 | ctr | and not a designer |
| 09:23.38 | TheDiff | sooo does ratpoison even support like x applications |
| 09:23.51 | TheDiff | they dont have any screenshots of... normal programs |
| 09:24.00 | ctr | yeah it does |
| 09:24.06 | ctr | hang on |
| 09:24.09 | ctr | and I'll get a ss for ya |
| 09:24.15 | ctr | oh well nm |
| 09:24.28 | ctr | i'm in fvwm and I can't exit right now |
| 09:24.29 | ctr | yes it does |
| 09:24.38 | ctr | but there's no real fancy window management that goes on |
| 09:24.55 | ctr | it's a bit tedious if you ask me |
| 09:24.59 | ctr | that's why i'm switching |
| 09:25.09 | ctr | if I was gonna code for like 18 hours straight |
| 09:25.14 | ctr | I'd do it in ratpoison |
| 09:25.22 | ctr | but where I code for 4-5 hours and then hit the web for a while |
| 09:25.44 | ctr | it just seems a bit clunky |
| 09:25.59 | ctr | http://houseofhack.org/images/desktop.png |
| 09:26.33 | ctr | that's my last setup |
| 09:26.38 | ctr | openbox3 and pypanel |
| 09:26.39 | ctr | http://www.linuxbog.dk/wm/wm/ratpoison.png |
| 09:26.52 | ctr | ratpoison on linux *gag* |
| 09:28.27 | ctr | I think if you run ratpoison, you shouldn't do so if your on a laptop and use graphical programs often |
| 09:28.43 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:28.54 | ctr | if you're on a machine you can leave on for a long long time |
| 09:28.55 | ctr | yeah.. |
| 09:28.57 | ctr | call me lazy |
| 09:29.02 | TheDiff | i just read the post that gave ratpoison its name |
| 09:29.07 | ctr | haha yeah :) |
| 09:29.45 | ctr | one example where ratpoison is an ass |
| 09:29.45 | TheDiff | you use freeBSD? |
| 09:29.49 | ctr | no way haha |
| 09:29.56 | ctr | i am sorta a purist |
| 09:29.59 | ctr | i use openbsd |
| 09:30.00 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:30.02 | ctr | almost exclusively |
| 09:30.19 | ctr | I got three macs, two running openbsd, one running Tiger |
| 09:30.23 | ctr | and the rest run openbsd |
| 09:30.26 | ctr | or plan9 |
| 09:30.41 | TheDiff | thats cool |
| 09:30.49 | TheDiff | i've never used any BSDs |
| 09:30.53 | ctr | really? |
| 09:30.56 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 09:31.02 | ctr | linux? |
| 09:31.03 | TheDiff | just gentoo and ubuntu |
| 09:31.06 | ctr | oh |
| 09:31.07 | ctr | haha |
| 09:31.12 | ctr | I was using gentoo a few years back |
| 09:31.16 | TheDiff | yeah, and a short year with redhat when i was a n00b |
| 09:31.18 | ctr | I liked it until I found obsd |
| 09:31.19 | TheDiff | man that was the worst |
| 09:31.25 | ctr | anything based of rpms |
| 09:31.27 | ctr | is icky |
| 09:31.30 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 09:31.31 | TheDiff | terrible |
| 09:31.33 | ctr | ubuntu is pretty neat dude |
| 09:31.37 | ctr | I've been impressed |
| 09:31.39 | TheDiff | it is neat |
| 09:31.40 | ctr | I dont use it |
| 09:31.46 | TheDiff | but i still like emerge far better than apt-get |
| 09:31.47 | ctr | but it seems like a good choice for a lot of people |
| 09:31.59 | ctr | and I like openbsd's port tree better than everything |
| 09:32.00 | TheDiff | i only installed it on my laptop because it autodetects EVERYTHING |
| 09:32.05 | ctr | yeah |
| 09:32.08 | ctr | that's a good choice |
| 09:32.09 | TheDiff | my wireless card worked out of the box, it was hot |
| 09:32.14 | ctr | that's way nice |
| 09:32.22 | ctr | You just get to a point |
| 09:32.24 | ctr | where you finally realize |
| 09:32.34 | ctr | that configuring EVERYTHING is really really pointless |
| 09:32.38 | ctr | it's a waste of time and effort |
| 09:32.47 | ctr | if you can solve the problem, move on to something else |
| 09:32.57 | ctr | and hardware support is a solved problem on linux |
| 09:33.02 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 09:33.24 | ctr | but yeah, so how do you like gentoo? |
| 09:33.34 | TheDiff | i like it alot |
| 09:33.41 | TheDiff | now that i havent had to configure anythign in years |
| 09:33.42 | ctr | why? |
| 09:33.48 | ctr | i mean |
| 09:33.49 | ctr | why do you like it |
| 09:33.50 | TheDiff | i've been running it on my desktop for like 3 years |
| 09:33.54 | ctr | oh wow |
| 09:34.00 | ctr | so you've been using it for a long while |
| 09:34.07 | ctr | back before it became a fad |
| 09:34.14 | TheDiff | i really like emerge, i thinks its the best package management system |
| 09:34.23 | TheDiff | um i like its init system |
| 09:34.38 | TheDiff | i thinks its more straightforward than other distros |
| 09:34.44 | TheDiff | and probably the docs are the best part |
| 09:34.49 | TheDiff | their man pages & forums are the best |
| 09:34.50 | ctr | hmm |
| 09:34.52 | TheDiff | hands down |
| 09:35.02 | ctr | it's a good distro for sure |
| 09:35.14 | ctr | for linux *grin* |
| 09:35.16 | TheDiff | but i coudl do without the 12+ hour installs |
| 09:35.21 | ctr | yeah :( |
| 09:35.37 | TheDiff | and i'm really not that big a fan of the USE flags |
| 09:35.48 | ctr | no one is |
| 09:36.46 | ctr | Have you tried arch linux? |
| 09:38.16 | TheDiff | um |
| 09:38.20 | TheDiff | really briefly |
| 09:38.24 | ctr | what'd ya think? |
| 09:38.25 | TheDiff | i installed it on my friends computer |
| 09:38.31 | TheDiff | told him it was gonna be great |
| 09:38.34 | TheDiff | because i just wanted to test it |
| 09:38.36 | TheDiff | i tricked him |
| 09:38.38 | ctr | haha |
| 09:38.42 | TheDiff | haha, we couldnt really figure out how to configure anythign |
| 09:38.48 | ctr | oh really? |
| 09:38.49 | TheDiff | adn it wasnt my cmoputer so i didnt spend alot of time with it |
| 09:38.53 | ctr | ahh |
| 09:39.03 | ctr | I think it's my favorite linux distro |
| 09:39.11 | TheDiff | man there were a ton of spelling errors in that last sentence of mine |
| 09:39.13 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:39.14 | TheDiff | really? |
| 09:39.15 | ctr | the only one I would ever use if I went back to linux for some reason |
| 09:39.17 | ctr | yeah |
| 09:39.20 | ctr | it's very bsd like |
| 09:39.37 | TheDiff | yeah i heard pacman is really good |
| 09:39.38 | ctr | got a good init setup, and userland is organized |
| 09:39.40 | ctr | oh man |
| 09:39.41 | ctr | it rocks |
| 09:39.41 | TheDiff | and no compiling which is nice |
| 09:39.44 | ctr | yeah |
| 09:39.54 | ctr | they did a few things right with it |
| 09:39.55 | ctr | :( |
| 09:39.57 | ctr | oops |
| 09:39.58 | ctr | :)* |
| 09:40.01 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:41.36 | ctr | do you do any programming |
| 09:41.50 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 09:41.54 | TheDiff | mostly embedded systems |
| 09:42.04 | TheDiff | i've been messing with php stuff lately though |
| 09:42.12 | ctr | ooo |
| 09:42.18 | ctr | embedded huh? |
| 09:42.21 | ctr | what sorta hardware we talking? |
| 09:42.21 | TheDiff | how about you? |
| 09:42.26 | ctr | I am all over the place |
| 09:42.30 | ctr | sorta do everything and anything |
| 09:42.35 | TheDiff | well lately i've been doing stuff with crossbow motes |
| 09:42.47 | ctr | no idea what that is |
| 09:42.51 | TheDiff | little wireless sensor boards that use Atmel processors |
| 09:42.56 | ctr | oh sick |
| 09:43.02 | ctr | doing what with them |
| 09:43.27 | TheDiff | well i've spent the past couple months just trying to interface sensors with them |
| 09:43.31 | TheDiff | accelerometers and magnetometers |
| 09:43.49 | TheDiff | so that basically you can tell orientation and movement |
| 09:44.07 | TheDiff | and the goal is to get them networks so you can do like 3 dimensional movement tracking and stuff |
| 09:44.07 | ctr | oh, that's way cool |
| 09:44.11 | ctr | yeah |
| 09:44.12 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 09:44.14 | ctr | wow |
| 09:44.18 | ctr | who you doing that for |
| 09:44.28 | TheDiff | for a professor at my school |
| 09:44.52 | ctr | ahh |
| 09:45.02 | ctr | how old are you? |
| 09:45.10 | TheDiff | 22 |
| 09:45.14 | ctr | that's way cool |
| 09:45.24 | ctr | what school is that? |
| 09:45.29 | TheDiff | Cal Poly |
| 09:45.56 | ctr | what ya doing in utah |
| 09:45.59 | ctr | or |
| 09:46.01 | ctr | #utah |
| 09:46.05 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:46.13 | TheDiff | random connections |
| 09:46.17 | ctr | ahh |
| 09:46.56 | TheDiff | have you done lisp programming at all? |
| 09:48.06 | ctr | oh yeah |
| 09:48.08 | ctr | heck yeah |
| 09:48.15 | ctr | newlisp 4 life |
| 09:48.17 | ctr | it's my baby |
| 09:48.34 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:48.43 | TheDiff | i kind of want to learn it, or scheme or something |
| 09:48.52 | ctr | Well |
| 09:48.59 | ctr | Talking to me probably isn't wise haha |
| 09:49.01 | TheDiff | i read an article, adn the guy was saying that just learning lisp will make you a better programmer |
| 09:49.02 | ctr | I'm very biased |
| 09:49.06 | ctr | man |
| 09:49.09 | TheDiff | how so? |
| 09:49.15 | ctr | well I know the author of newlisp |
| 09:49.20 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:49.25 | ctr | so that helps |
| 09:49.28 | ctr | but I mean |
| 09:49.34 | ctr | newlisp is a whole different beast |
| 09:49.38 | ctr | from other lisp dialects |
| 09:49.55 | ctr | I just... I will never use another language ever (except c/asm for obsd stuff) |
| 09:50.13 | ctr | I swore I'd never give up ruby |
| 09:50.15 | ctr | found newlisp |
| 09:50.17 | ctr | 3 hours later |
| 09:50.20 | ctr | haha |
| 09:50.23 | ctr | i was onto a new language |
| 09:50.27 | ctr | and never looked back |
| 09:50.44 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:50.55 | ctr | probably the second most awesome thing I've ever found |
| 09:50.56 | TheDiff | yeah i've heard good things about ruby too |
| 09:51.01 | TheDiff | what was the first |
| 09:51.03 | ctr | ruby is great |
| 09:51.05 | ctr | openbsd |
| 09:51.09 | TheDiff | haha |
| 09:51.12 | ctr | of course :) |
| 09:51.21 | ctr | yeah |
| 09:51.22 | ctr | and newlisp |
| 09:51.26 | ctr | is great for embedded stuff |
| 09:51.34 | ctr | it's extremely light wight |
| 09:51.35 | TheDiff | really? |
| 09:51.39 | ctr | a really really small memory foot print |
| 09:51.41 | ctr | prce built in |
| 09:51.45 | ctr | it's like |
| 09:51.49 | ctr | 300k |
| 09:51.53 | ctr | and a small startup in memory |
| 09:51.54 | TheDiff | yeah i'm not too fond of what we are using now ;/ |
| 09:51.55 | ctr | really fast |
| 09:51.58 | ctr | which is? |
| 09:52.09 | TheDiff | we run something called tinyOS |
| 09:52.13 | ctr | oh yeah |
| 09:52.14 | TheDiff | and you program it in nesC |
| 09:52.16 | ctr | yeah |
| 09:52.20 | TheDiff | which is some whack C dialect |
| 09:52.30 | ctr | well |
| 09:52.37 | ctr | give newlisp a long hard gander |
| 09:52.51 | ctr | that's all I'm gonna say : |
| 09:52.52 | ctr | :) |
| 09:52.59 | TheDiff | i'll look at it for sure |
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| 09:59.33 | TheDiff | yeah the bay is really cool, i have alot of friends from up there |
| 09:59.34 | ctr | experience |
| 09:59.41 | ctr | yeah :) |
| 09:59.44 | TheDiff | its just funny seeing the different cultures of norcal and so cal |
| 09:59.46 | ctr | hi! |
| 09:59.54 | ctr | yeah |
| 10:00.29 | ctr | I have a ton of friends from cali |
| 10:00.34 | ctr | and while everyone single one of them loves it |
| 10:00.39 | ctr | I don't know that I would |
| 10:00.43 | TheDiff | haha yeah |
| 10:00.55 | ctr | every single one* |
| 10:01.02 | TheDiff | its wierd, in like STL, everyone hated where they were from, but wouldnt leave because of family |
| 10:01.12 | TheDiff | in CA, everyone thinks their hometown is the greatest thing in the world |
| 10:01.31 | ctr | yeah |
| 10:01.44 | ctr | utah is that same way (as stl) |
| 10:02.01 | ctr | I think part of that is the high concentration of mormons |
| 10:02.14 | ctr | you sorta expect that type of thing though |
| 10:02.17 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 10:02.21 | ctr | people wanna get away and experience different things |
| 10:02.27 | TheDiff | in MO its due to the high concentration of rednecks |
| 10:02.28 | TheDiff | haha |
| 10:02.28 | ctr | that's probably why cali is different |
| 10:02.30 | ctr | hahah |
| 10:02.37 | ctr | agreed |
| 10:02.47 | ctr | and kck is a high concentration of corporate stiffs |
| 10:02.52 | TheDiff | haha |
| 10:04.55 | TheDiff | alright, well i'm gonna hit the sack |
| 10:05.08 | TheDiff | i need to acclimate to 8am classes starting monday |
| 10:05.09 | TheDiff | weak |
| 10:05.16 | ctr | ditto that man |
| 10:05.18 | ctr | gonna throw on a movie |
| 10:05.20 | ctr | and hit it |
| 10:05.23 | ctr | later bud |
| 10:05.26 | TheDiff | alright, good talkin to ya |
| 10:05.28 | TheDiff | see ya |
| 10:05.31 | ctr | yep |
| 10:05.32 | ctr | gnight |
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| 18:25.25 | mheath | IN the town where I was born, lived a man who sailed the sea, and he told us of his life in the land of submarines. |
| 18:25.48 | mheath | So we sailed itno the sun, until we found a sea of green, and we lived beneeth the waves, in our yellow submarine. |
| 18:27.22 | ^Migs^ | why is there always some weirdo in each channel who just sits there quoting song lyrics? |
| 18:30.28 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.32 | ^Migs^ | hehe |
| 18:43.49 | ctr_ | I blame television and the increase in violent video games |
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| 19:04.48 | ctr` | time for sleep |
| 19:04.50 | ctr` | night night guys |
| 19:06.41 | TheDiff|sleep | haha goodnight |
| 19:06.45 | TheDiff|sleep | i just woke up |
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| 19:54.29 | nick125 | anyone here know of a editor for linux platforms thats like textmate? |
| 19:54.47 | TheDiff|shower | does vi count? |
| 19:54.53 | nick125 | no :P |
| 19:56.26 | nick125 | I've came to the conclusion that 99.99% of editors on linux suck |
| 19:59.46 | nick125 | I usually use nano, but, once you try to develop a program with more then 1-2 files, it gets annoying |
| 20:01.25 | TheDiff|shower | ew |
| 20:01.31 | TheDiff|shower | yeah thats why you learn vi or emacs |
| 20:01.45 | nick125 | I used to use emacs..a long time ago |
| 20:02.20 | TheDiff|shower | on the campus network, if people catch you using nano in the process list, they will print it out, post it, and make fun of you |
| 20:02.35 | nick125 | lol |
| 20:02.47 | nick125 | nano is fine for small stuff |
| 20:03.03 | nick125 | but, after you hit around..oh lets say 2 files and 200 lines of source, it gets hard |
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| 20:14.32 | tensai | maquis: sorry, I wish I could make the power stay on all the time |
| 20:14.58 | nick125 | quit tripping over the power cable then! |
| 20:15.25 | tensai | power was out for most of Idaho Falls last night |
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| 20:23.30 | mheath | ew, this gum is horrible |
| 20:24.29 | mheath | Going through whats left of the MRE I had yesterday |
| 20:24.51 | mheath | this is like...a nutritionally-packed combination of gum and....wax |
| 20:26.37 | mheath | nick125: you get the....toilet paper, salt, sugar, and matches. Have fun. |
| 20:33.42 | nick125 | noo |
| 20:33.44 | nick125 | why me |
| 21:03.25 | mheath | By the way, if anyones interested: |
| 21:04.02 | mheath | I'm trying to get rid of a HP Laserjet printer, a HP Vectra Pentium 3 computer, a Sun Ultra Enterprise 1 server (with a 21" monitor) |
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| 21:04.43 | mheath | Misc. software, mostly games. Newer purchases include Half-Life GOTY Edition, Warcraft III, World of Warcraft |
| 21:04.54 | mheath | Just trying to get rid of this software and hardware before I'm gone. |
| 21:05.19 | mheath | The printer has about half a toner cartridge left |
| 21:37.59 | maquis | my printer doesn't like abiword |
| 21:38.02 | maquis | and i'm not sure why |
| 21:52.29 | tensai | because your printer is high strung? |
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| 22:16.06 | maquis | tensai: :) |
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| 22:36.16 | Hhhhhhh | yes, waaaaaa |
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