| 00:09.05 | levi | I'm not even sure what .NET was originally supposed to be. |
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| 00:13.34 | levi | Mmm, quiche. |
| 00:13.43 | maquis | mm hmmm |
| 00:13.48 | maquis | my specialty... |
| 00:14.42 | xbmodder_lappy | *yummy* |
| 00:14.44 | levi | There used to be jokes about quiche-eaters, but they were from the old-school hacker crowd and have all but passed from the net. |
| 00:15.24 | maquis | i've heard people argue that "real men don't eat quiche".... |
| 00:15.26 | maquis | then they try some |
| 00:17.40 | xbmodder_lappy | The term quiche-eater, meaning a man who is effeminate or who lacks some putative masculine virtue, is derived from the bestselling tongue-in-cheek book on stereotypes about masculinity, Real Men Don't Eat Quiche, by Bruce Feirstein, published in 1982. |
| 00:17.52 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125, ... |
| 00:19.12 | xbmodder_lappy | what about bagel bites? |
| 00:19.31 | xbmodder_lappy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiche |
| 00:19.46 | xbmodder_lappy | ~quiche |
| 00:19.47 | ibot | hmm... quiche is the bestest food ever made |
| 00:28.20 | tensai | harleypig: check out scponly. it's a shell that only allows ssh and sftp. |
| 00:28.49 | TheDiff | gentoo + fvwm crystal = ultimate |
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| 00:47.40 | xbmodder_lappy | * < gentoo |
| 00:47.55 | xbmodder_lappy | * < gentoo < gentoo + * |
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| 00:52.30 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Are you saying Gentoo is better than Asterisk? |
| 00:52.44 | jsmith | xbmodder1: I'd say Gentoo is better *with* Asterisk, but of course I'm biased. |
| 00:53.37 | maquis | :) |
| 00:54.39 | Hhhhhh | ricetoo |
| 00:54.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ;-) |
| 00:55.06 | xbmodder_lappy | jsmith, asterisk is sometimes very annoying though.. |
| 00:56.29 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: Annoying, in what way? |
| 00:56.51 | jsmith | Annoying, as in the "now my office is filled with 10 phones, and I hate talking to people" way? |
| 00:58.56 | xbmodder_lappy | um |
| 00:59.03 | xbmodder_lappy | it doesn't always work |
| 00:59.25 | nick125 | xbmodder_lappy: thats usually because you are doing something wrong |
| 00:59.46 | xbmodder_lappy | :-D |
| 01:01.40 | nick125 | now I'm in the "Scores in this range are commonly fatal" category |
| 01:04.43 | jsmith | xbmodder_lappy: In what ways doesn't it work... I'm betting my professional career on it, and it works great for me. |
| 01:05.06 | jsmith | s/.../? / |
| 01:08.22 | jsmith | Should I wait for a response, or go play games? Hmmmn.... |
| 01:08.44 | nick125 | go play games.. |
| 01:08.44 | jsmith | ~tarpit xbmodder_lappy |
| 01:09.03 | jsmith | ibot: literal tarpit |
| 01:09.47 | jsmith | TCP window size, that is. |
| 01:10.24 | xbmodder_lappy | ... |
| 01:10.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ok, it doesn't send audio |
| 01:11.15 | jsmith | Sure it does... let me guess --- you're using SIP behind a NAT firewall. |
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| 01:11.39 | jsmith | That isn't Asterisk's fault |
| 01:11.56 | xbmodder_lappy | no |
| 01:12.03 | xbmodder_lappy | i am using it past a firewall |
| 01:12.13 | xbmodder_lappy | and IAX/SIP both do it. |
| 01:12.33 | jsmith | Which codec, and what are you talking to on the other end? |
| 01:13.33 | xbmodder_lappy | I've tried GSM, g729, ulaw, and g726 I think... |
| 01:13.37 | xbmodder_lappy | g726-32 |
| 01:13.40 | xbmodder_lappy | another asterisk box |
| 01:13.46 | jsmith | I'll bet if you sniff the RTP traffic, you'll find it's passing audio just fine. |
| 01:15.13 | xbmodder_lappy | how do I capture the raw RTP traffic and listen to it? |
| 01:15.58 | jsmith | Ethereal. |
| 01:16.11 | jsmith | Or capture it with tcpdump, and then pull it into Ethereal for analysis |
| 01:16.26 | jsmith | Ethereal has some great VoIP decoders, especially on the RTP (SIP) side. |
| 01:16.35 | jsmith | It'll let you replay the conversations, etc. |
| 01:39.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ooh, cool. |
| 01:40.18 | xbmodder_lappy | now to get a fast machine to do the analysis on . |
| 01:43.10 | nick125 | hmmmmm |
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| 02:20.12 | scott_ | on wikipedia it says "as a rule, names in a namespace canot have more than one meaning" and then says every language is a namespace. but don't lots of words have more than one meaning? |
| 02:32.38 | goozbach | I blame canada |
| 02:36.44 | goozbach | but I got a bunch of fives |
| 02:36.48 | goozbach | !!!1 |
| 02:40.20 | maquis | 5s? |
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| 02:43.28 | goozbach | yeah! 5'ves |
| 02:43.36 | goozbach | one more than 4 |
| 02:43.40 | goozbach | one less than 6 |
| 02:43.54 | goozbach | but on a scale of one to five it's the highest |
| 02:44.09 | goozbach | that's the idea |
| 02:45.39 | goozbach | like 2+2 |
| 02:45.41 | goozbach | five |
| 02:45.44 | goozbach | get it now? |
| 02:46.06 | maquis | haha |
| 02:46.12 | maquis | you must be using large values of 2 |
| 02:46.27 | goozbach | yup |
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| 03:16.05 | tensai | ~lart Jayce^ |
| 03:17.07 | Jayce^ | what are you doing on at this time of night? |
| 03:17.35 | tensai | bored in my hotel room |
| 03:17.39 | maquis | http://thedailywtf.com/forums/65091/ShowPost.aspx |
| 03:17.42 | Jayce^ | ahh, in WY? |
| 03:17.53 | tensai | yup. beautiful rawlins. |
| 03:18.12 | Jayce^ | uhh, you sure you're at the right location? using an adjective like that |
| 03:18.50 | tensai | it's all relative |
| 03:20.23 | Jayce^ | you could blog something... get a record on the openclue planet :) |
| 03:20.24 | tensai | just glad I'm not banished to utah or someplace truly awful |
| 03:21.08 | tensai | I was just considering that actually. maybe I've got a draft I could finish... |
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| 03:39.24 | jsmith | tensai: You know what the three most beautiful sights in all of wyoming are, right? |
| 03:39.47 | tensai | jsmith: I give up |
| 03:40.15 | jsmith | tensai: Well, obviously the most beatiful is sunrise over the Tetons on the edge of Jenny Lake |
| 03:40.28 | jsmith | tensai: And the second most beautiful is the grand canyon of the Yellowstone |
| 03:40.46 | jsmith | tensai: And the third most beatiful is Rock Springs in your rear-view mirror |
| 03:40.54 | tensai | :) |
| 03:41.19 | tensai | the tetons are awesome but I can't stand Jackson |
| 03:42.20 | jsmith | tensai: Neither can I... I grew up just south of there. |
| 03:42.33 | tensai | afton? |
| 03:42.34 | jsmith | tensai: Couldn't stand all the rich snobby tourists who thought they owned the place. |
| 03:42.40 | jsmith | tensai: I went to school in Afton. |
| 03:43.37 | tensai | my favorite is the million dollar houses used only during the summer |
| 03:45.03 | jsmith | My favorite are the Californians that buy/build a gigantic house, spend two weeks in town and realize there's nothing to do, and then put the house back on the market immediately |
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| 04:10.13 | QBFreak | heh, he stumbled and fell off the channel |
| 04:10.15 | spr | "You know something princess, you are ugly when you're angry" |
| 04:12.21 | QBFreak | the school I graduated from sent me a message about a job fair with a _word doc_ attached |
| 04:12.45 | maquis | QBFreak: you don't use gmail, do you? |
| 04:12.45 | QBFreak | why must people e-mail word docs, thats a scary thing to me |
| 04:12.50 | QBFreak | macros and the like |
| 04:12.54 | QBFreak | I do use gmail |
| 04:13.03 | maquis | QBFreak: view as html :) |
| 04:13.07 | QBFreak | this is a valid message, at least the event is, they called yesterday about it |
| 04:13.24 | QBFreak | I just think in principal people should get those nice free PDF printers |
| 04:13.30 | QBFreak | or something |
| 04:13.33 | spr | maquis, Spaceballs |
| 04:13.37 | maquis | spr: ah... |
| 04:13.57 | QBFreak | ! |
| 04:14.03 | QBFreak | it's the exact same text as the message! |
| 04:14.20 | maquis | QBFreak: hahaha |
| 04:14.45 | QBFreak | this is a place responsible for peoples' futures, come on.... |
| 04:14.47 | QBFreak | sheesh |
| 04:18.00 | QBFreak | while I'm ranting, I noticed that my reeses wrapper says "Candy is a treat. Please consume in moderation" on the inside |
| 04:18.23 | QBFreak | are people getting so un-smart that they have to be reminded of things like that? |
| 04:18.31 | maquis | it would be interesting if, instead of sending out emails itself, a virus just attached itself to emails the owner of the infected computer were already emailing |
| 04:18.46 | maquis | so, just sit there and wait for someone to send an email |
| 04:18.54 | maquis | then attach itself to the email as it was on its way out |
| 04:19.23 | tensai | maquis: write up an rfc draft and code up an example implementation |
| 04:20.24 | maquis | then, it'd be arriving at its destination in an email that the recipient trusted, and the text of the email wouldn't be suspicious.... and if it was *really* good, it could even change the name of the virus file to a word from the subject line of the email |
| 04:20.52 | maquis | tensai: haha... i'm not stupid :) |
| 04:21.23 | QBFreak | that is _just_ the idea I needed *runs off to achieve world domination* |
| 04:22.05 | QBFreak | but I think the reason that isn't usually done is that the chances of a large impact are smaller |
| 04:22.08 | xbmodder_lappy | the idea of maquis not being stupid? |
| 04:22.28 | maquis | QBFreak: what do you mean? |
| 04:22.49 | QBFreak | well, my thinking may be flawed |
| 04:23.16 | QBFreak | I didn't account for the fact that it may not get an AV signature quickly because it would be slowly/quietly spreading |
| 04:23.57 | maquis | slowly/quietly, and it could potentially be changing forms along the way... i mean... the name of the file would change every time |
| 04:24.03 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 04:24.19 | QBFreak | the payload would have to do some sort of mutation too to avoid any sort of fingerprinting wouldn't it? |
| 04:24.26 | maquis | yeah |
| 04:24.56 | jsmith | QBFreak: Attach itself as an encrypted zip file, and append the zip password to the email in a "P.S. The password on the zip file is 12345" |
| 04:25.09 | jsmith | Use a different self-generated password for each email |
| 04:25.16 | maquis | but i know people who impulsively download zip files, regardless... just get a few more people this way |
| 04:25.20 | maquis | jsmith: exactly |
| 04:25.38 | QBFreak | remind me not to ever piss you people off |
| 04:26.00 | maquis | QBFreak: haha |
| 04:26.09 | jsmith | QBFreak: No, you don't wanna be on her bad side... |
| 04:26.30 | tensai | or her good side. don't let her touch *anything*! |
| 04:26.57 | jsmith | Nothings more dangerous than the vengeance of a smart woman... and that's all I'm gonna say. |
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| 04:29.38 | xbmodder_lappy | on what |
| 04:29.45 | QBFreak | PC |
| 04:30.00 | xbmodder_lappy | Need for Speed is for linux? |
| 04:30.59 | QBFreak | there was a low-end one at walmart marked down to $32 |
| 04:31.09 | QBFreak | and a really nice one for something like $140 |
| 04:31.50 | QBFreak | I forget how many degrees it rotated, but I think it was enough to go more than 360 each way |
| 04:32.14 | xbmodder_lappy | 540 |
| 04:42.25 | maquis | stupid python question... |
| 04:42.35 | maquis | is 2^32 not what i'm thinking it is? |
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| 04:52.20 | spr | Wouldn't that be 2 XOR 42? |
| 04:52.26 | spr | (assuming C operators) |
| 04:52.52 | QBFreak | we could say it's something more convoluted, two spaces for instance |
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| 04:54.05 | amcnabb | Should be 2**42 |
| 04:54.14 | amcnabb | (for exponentiation) |
| 04:54.22 | xbmodder_lappy | amcnabb, true. |
| 04:54.34 | amcnabb | But since it's 2, that's inefficient. |
| 04:54.46 | amcnabb | do 1<<42 |
| 04:54.56 | amcnabb | inefficient is the wrong word |
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| 04:58.23 | maquis | amcnabb: thanks :) |
| 05:01.34 | amcnabb | no problem |
| 05:02.06 | maquis | amcnabb: i assume you already got tcp done? |
| 05:02.57 | amcnabb | Oh, yeah. |
| 05:03.01 | amcnabb | I actually did it on time. |
| 05:05.20 | maquis | cool |
| 05:05.32 | amcnabb | Are you close? |
| 05:05.48 | maquis | i don't think i'm overly close |
| 05:05.54 | xbmodder_lappy | wow... |
| 05:05.55 | maquis | i've gotta get it done tonight, though... |
| 05:05.57 | xbmodder_lappy | that sucks |
| 05:06.06 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, you and amcnabb are in the same class? |
| 05:06.09 | maquis | because i'm behind in machine learning too |
| 05:06.15 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: yeah |
| 05:06.32 | xbmodder_lappy | cool. |
| 05:06.39 | maquis | amcnabb: lots of stupid errors... a couple from still not knowing python... |
| 05:06.41 | maquis | etc |
| 05:09.57 | QBFreak | evil flash in browser! |
| 05:10.08 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 05:10.22 | xbmodder_lappy | /dev/dsp: xbmodder 30908 F.... frozen-bubble |
| 05:10.22 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.22 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.22 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.15 | maquis | elg: you feeling better tonight? |
| 06:20.59 | goozbach | dspam dspam dspam |
| 06:21.02 | elg | yes. still a little "swimmer's ear" feeling, but I'll take the cold medicine before retiring this time, as it seemed to help |
| 06:22.11 | goozbach | I'm NOT going to let this program beat me |
| 06:22.25 | elg | ~beat goozbach |
| 06:22.26 | ibot | ACTION beats goozbach with a wetfish |
| 06:22.59 | xbmodder_lappy | that sucks.. |
| 06:23.17 | maquis | goozbach: what program? |
| 06:23.21 | maquis | oh... |
| 06:23.22 | maquis | dspam |
| 06:23.31 | maquis | elg: glad to hear you're feeling better |
| 06:26.52 | TheDiff | :( |
| 06:30.34 | maquis | TheDiff: i think you have a good idea why.... |
| 06:30.55 | TheDiff | maquis: yeah |
| 06:32.46 | maquis | ... |
| 06:33.01 | TheDiff | i wish my roommates dog, would get out from under my desk |
| 06:33.03 | TheDiff | and leave me alone |
| 06:33.10 | TheDiff | get out of here dog |
| 06:33.27 | maquis | what kinda dog? |
| 06:33.47 | TheDiff | springer spaniel |
| 06:33.50 | TheDiff | he smells terrible |
| 06:33.54 | maquis | ah |
| 06:34.01 | maquis | needs a bath... :) |
| 06:34.01 | TheDiff | like death himself |
| 06:34.09 | TheDiff | and dental work |
| 06:34.17 | maquis | ah |
| 06:34.20 | maquis | that sucks |
| 06:34.27 | TheDiff | yeah |
| 06:34.32 | TheDiff | college students + dogs = bad idea |
| 06:34.37 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:34.48 | maquis | having pets wouldn't be *that* bad as an option, though |
| 06:34.50 | TheDiff | its costs too much for them to take care of them right |
| 06:35.05 | TheDiff | my old roommate had ferrets |
| 06:35.07 | TheDiff | 5 of them |
| 06:35.18 | maquis | some of my friends had 4 ducks living in their apartment until the landlady started getting suspicious |
| 06:35.21 | TheDiff | hahaha |
| 06:35.25 | maquis | ferrets seem pretty cool |
| 06:35.36 | TheDiff | they have a very strong musk though |
| 06:35.38 | maquis | apparently ducks are really cute, but have a tendency to make a mes |
| 06:35.47 | TheDiff | you get used to it, but it took us like 3 days to get the smell out of his room |
| 06:35.49 | TheDiff | after he moved out |
| 06:36.12 | TheDiff | ducks seem like they would be a pretty funny pet |
| 06:36.14 | maquis | (my friends got the ducks when they were little fuzzballs, and kept them tell they were just about full-grown) |
| 06:36.38 | goozbach | opps |
| 06:36.41 | goozbach | oops |
| 06:36.44 | goozbach | blah |
| 06:36.44 | maquis | ?? |
| 06:36.55 | goozbach | prefix=/ |
| 06:37.05 | maquis | which means..... |
| 06:37.08 | goozbach | my rpm didn't build inside the rpmbuild root |
| 06:37.25 | goozbach | it built and installed on the system proper |
| 06:37.32 | maquis | oh... |
| 06:37.38 | maquis | and you didn't want to do that... |
| 06:38.01 | goozbach | no |
| 06:38.05 | TheDiff | ew, rpms |
| 06:39.28 | xbmodder_lappy | RPM hell? |
| 06:42.18 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 06:42.25 | TheDiff | yeah, RPM hell indeed |
| 06:42.32 | TheDiff | rpms were the worst idea ever |
| 06:44.44 | QBFreak | I'm sure everyone here is aware of this, but myspace absolutly sucks |
| 06:44.59 | QBFreak | I can't even figure out how to set this image I uploaded as the default profile image! |
| 06:45.14 | TheDiff | you are already registered? |
| 06:45.18 | QBFreak | the only reason I have an account there is to read private posts friends make |
| 06:45.20 | TheDiff | your soul is already too far gone |
| 06:45.24 | maquis | you have a myspace? |
| 06:45.28 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 06:45.34 | QBFreak | it is pretty much blank |
| 06:45.58 | maquis | please don't post anything similar to the stuff my roommates read on there |
| 06:46.00 | QBFreak | ha, it was just being slow |
| 06:46.04 | QBFreak | I don't |
| 06:46.49 | TheDiff | haha |
| 06:46.56 | maquis | my parents asked me the other day if i had a myspace account... |
| 06:46.58 | TheDiff | facebook is far superior |
| 06:47.07 | maquis | apparently they had a lesson at church about the dangers of myspace |
| 06:47.08 | QBFreak | I have one entire post, and all it says is I don't post things here |
| 06:47.12 | TheDiff | hahahahahahaha |
| 06:47.17 | TheDiff | thats hilarious |
| 06:47.22 | QBFreak | yeah, myspace and facebook have been making the "this is evil!" rounds |
| 06:47.34 | TheDiff | chuch is silly |
| 06:48.09 | maquis | i decided that it would be much simpler to just tell them that i thought myspace was stupid, rather than trying to point out that A) i'm not stupid about stuff like that, B) it's really not that dangerous, etc... |
| 06:48.17 | QBFreak | heh yeah |
| 06:49.04 | QBFreak | I put as little info as possible, excepting birth date |
| 06:49.12 | QBFreak | now the darned thing knows how old I am |
| 06:49.18 | TheDiff | haha |
| 06:49.40 | TheDiff | "congratulations! there are <231> days until you turn 21!" |
| 06:49.47 | maquis | i saw an interesting article that pointed out that the percentage of teenagers getting abducted/kidnapped/raped/etc due to myspace is lower than the percentage of teenagers with those problems in major cities in the US |
| 06:50.10 | TheDiff | yeah, but myspace is the INTERNET |
| 06:50.17 | QBFreak | yeah, a lot of people get into the whole FUD thing |
| 06:50.19 | TheDiff | that percentage should be 0 |
| 06:50.19 | maquis | that's the problem |
| 06:50.34 | maquis | the adults don't understand it, so it must be bad |
| 06:50.39 | TheDiff | haha |
| 06:51.04 | QBFreak | somewhere I actually read an article about it from a christian perspective, that didn't fall into a whole panic/this is evil sort of thing |
| 06:51.23 | QBFreak | iirc it just pointed out the possibility for _anything_ to be used in negative ways |
| 06:51.59 | maquis | honestly, i try really hard to help my parents see that i'm really ok online... when i put up my website, i spent a while teaching my mom how to get to it so that, if she really wants to, she can see the type of things i post on there... i really don't mind my parents reading my blog.... |
| 06:52.11 | maquis | i doubt they'd find anything that would actually interest them... |
| 06:52.29 | QBFreak | yeah, I'm selective about what I put online, and I generally assume that if it's going ot be public it has to be suitable for family |
| 06:52.41 | maquis | yeah |
| 06:52.56 | maquis | my parents are a bit less worried if i actually show them what i have out there... |
| 06:52.58 | QBFreak | that and it helps to keep in mind that these days potential employers like to check these things out |
| 06:53.05 | maquis | :) |
| 06:53.30 | maquis | the problem a lot of kids have on facebook and myspace and such is that a lot of them don't understand that the internet is public |
| 06:53.30 | QBFreak | I have a LiveJournal that I use from time to time, but nothing much goes there |
| 06:53.40 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 06:53.48 | maquis | i try to post to my blog reasonably often... |
| 06:53.53 | QBFreak | this isn't just you and your friends, this is you and the world |
| 06:53.56 | maquis | but it's all computer stuff |
| 06:54.12 | QBFreak | I just set myself up a blog on my site, I'm planning to try and use it for non-personal stuff |
| 06:54.32 | maquis | did you use one of the big blog engines? |
| 06:54.40 | QBFreak | nah, a TWiki application |
| 06:54.49 | QBFreak | since I've been playing with and trying to learn more about TWiki |
| 06:54.55 | maquis | cool |
| 06:55.22 | maquis | i'm trying to re-learn php, so i'm slowly building my blog engine in my free time... |
| 06:55.28 | QBFreak | yeah, I spent hours last night wading through it trying to get a grasp on what was where, but all in all it's pretty cool for something built on top of a wiki |
| 06:55.36 | QBFreak | cool |
| 06:55.54 | QBFreak | I tried to do my site in PHP once, but I stopped short of actually making an interface to update it |
| 06:56.06 | maquis | we had a presentation in uug about php on trax, and now i'm thinking once i'm out of college, i want to switch over to that |
| 06:56.08 | QBFreak | well, redo it in PHP, it's been in PHP since I've had a host that would do PHP :) |
| 06:56.12 | maquis | i finally got around to the interface |
| 06:56.31 | QBFreak | I discovered Smarty not too long ago, its pretty nifty |
| 06:57.08 | QBFreak | my current design sucks: http://qbfreak.net/ |
| 06:57.09 | brac | [QBFreak's Home Page] |
| 06:57.25 | QBFreak | as it says there, I'm planning to replace my site with something built on TWiki :) |
| 06:57.30 | maquis | :) |
| 06:57.55 | maquis | not bad |
| 06:57.59 | QBFreak | doesn't this look a tad nicer: http://qbfreak.net/twiki/Blog ? :) |
| 06:58.09 | QBFreak | yeah, I stole that entire design from Gallery back when it was 1.x |
| 06:58.16 | maquis | http://www.tuxgirl.com/ |
| 06:58.18 | brac | [TuxGirl.com] |
| 06:58.34 | QBFreak | I can code, code is fun, but making it look pretty...most of the time not |
| 06:58.55 | maquis | i stole mine from something i saw in a wordpress theme, and then rebuilt it... |
| 06:59.11 | QBFreak | oh yeah, mine has been redone too many times |
| 06:59.16 | maquis | the twiki one is pretty cool |
| 06:59.19 | QBFreak | finally with a bit of CSS |
| 06:59.24 | maquis | :) |
| 06:59.34 | QBFreak | yeah, the guy that wrote the blog app did a nice skin for twiki |
| 06:59.43 | maquis | the nice thing was, i started completely from scratch over christmas break... |
| 06:59.53 | maquis | and i was pretty careful about using css and everything like that |
| 07:00.15 | QBFreak | I think I redid mine entirely in CSS, dropped all the nasty tables, but I'm not sure that I ever implimented it |
| 07:00.19 | maquis | i think the next two things on my todo list are rss and comments... |
| 07:01.01 | QBFreak | that's one cool think about twiki, you can do an RSS feed from any search |
| 07:01.09 | maquis | :) |
| 07:02.05 | QBFreak | in fact I just whipped up a list of them for readers with auto-discovery (like the FF plugin I use) on the MARE twiki I was doing: http://mare.qbfreak.net/bin/view/Mare/RssFeeds |
| 07:02.30 | QBFreak | click that Raw View button and see how simple it was :) |
| 07:03.37 | maquis | where? |
| 07:03.40 | QBFreak | my intention is to redo my site in TWiki along side of the blog, maybe some simple apps to make it easy to add programs and the like |
| 07:04.06 | QBFreak | the bar across the bottom, | Edit | Attach | Printable... |
| 07:04.18 | QBFreak | I think ALT-R works too |
| 07:04.40 | QBFreak | nice |
| 07:05.04 | QBFreak | at some point I might start paying the $4/mo I need to get a unique IP to get SSL |
| 07:05.43 | QBFreak | there are a couple of places that do free certs, one I think I saw somewhere that is trying to get it to catch on |
| 07:06.07 | maquis | oh... you mean a |
| 07:06.10 | maquis | "real" cert |
| 07:06.13 | QBFreak | but right now I don't want to spend $50/year |
| 07:06.14 | maquis | mine's just a self-signed cert |
| 07:06.27 | maquis | i'm the only one that uses it, and i trust myself... |
| 07:06.35 | QBFreak | sorta, the one I saw wasn't accepted by default in the major browsers yet, but that was the goal |
| 07:06.49 | QBFreak | I figured they'd be good to try i ncase it caught on :) |
| 07:06.54 | maquis | haha |
| 07:07.01 | QBFreak | but yeah, I could do one myself |
| 07:07.04 | maquis | i just used openssl and created one |
| 07:07.07 | maquis | it was pretty simple |
| 07:07.15 | maquis | it's only needed for the admin part of the website |
| 07:07.20 | QBFreak | yeah |
| 07:07.28 | maquis | and hypothetically, nobody else should be messing around there |
| 07:07.51 | QBFreak | I'd like to secure the TWiki logins that way, but I've spent too much lately to pay another $50 for a year |
| 07:08.30 | maquis | yeah |
| 07:08.33 | maquis | why 50$? |
| 07:08.46 | QBFreak | roughly, $3.99 x 12 |
| 07:08.58 | maquis | for the cert? |
| 07:09.15 | QBFreak | no, my host requires a unique IP for SSL |
| 07:09.29 | maquis | where are you hosting? |
| 07:09.41 | QBFreak | Dreamhost, dreamhost.com |
| 07:09.51 | QBFreak | bah, should have made that clickable :) |
| 07:09.53 | maquis | hmmm |
| 07:10.27 | QBFreak | I used to do that |
| 07:10.53 | QBFreak | I got a really good deal on hosting and the upside is I don't have to manage the server :) |
| 07:10.58 | maquis | it's my first time doing it, really... previously, my website wasn't really public... |
| 07:11.01 | maquis | haha... |
| 07:11.06 | maquis | but managing the server is fun :) |
| 07:11.21 | QBFreak | I've learned a lot, but I've got a LOT to learn, and right now my focus is on a couple of other projects |
| 07:11.49 | QBFreak | my site also gets better uptime this way, no issues with cable outages, router got a new IP and didn't tell dyndns, etc |
| 07:12.28 | QBFreak | and now when it breaks, I can say fix it, instead of saying help! |
| 07:12.42 | maquis | :) |
| 07:15.35 | QBFreak | know anywhere I can buy time in bulk? |
| 07:15.41 | maquis | QBFreak: dunno |
| 07:15.47 | maquis | i wouldn't mind just an hour or two |
| 07:16.05 | QBFreak | I could use an extra few days a week sometimes :) |
| 07:16.11 | maquis | true |
| 07:16.12 | QBFreak | I don't _need_ them, but I'd really like them |
| 07:16.27 | maquis | i need a couple extra hours sometime soon |
| 07:16.47 | QBFreak | oh good news, someone called me and asked me if I'd be interested in doing a website for someone else |
| 07:17.05 | maquis | cool |
| 07:17.33 | QBFreak | I think he said they might already have a rough design, which would be nice, I'm better at the backend stuff :) |
| 07:18.36 | QBFreak | I figure if it's relatively simple it'd be a good change to play with Smarty again |
| 07:18.45 | maquis | :) |
| 07:18.57 | QBFreak | I could prob even resell some of my web-space |
| 07:19.40 | maquis | haha |
| 07:19.44 | QBFreak | I got a really good deal on a third-tier plan, and I hardly put a dent in the disk or bandwidth |
| 07:20.06 | QBFreak | but it was nice to get more than a handful of subdomains |
| 07:21.07 | QBFreak | and then they changed the plan, I got 4x the disk, 8x the bandwidth, unlimited mail and domains (excepting the registration fee of course) |
| 07:21.35 | QBFreak | and I'm paying half of the current price |
| 07:21.54 | QBFreak | all promotions are good for the life of the account, so as long as I'm there I keep paying half price for lotsa stuff :) |
| 07:23.38 | QBFreak | hmm, email accounts are not unlimited, but the number is so big it doesn't matter |
| 07:23.57 | maquis | :) |
| 07:24.55 | QBFreak | they've got webdav, but apparently you can only set that up as a stand-alone area, it's not possible for your user or the webserver user to access it |
| 07:25.51 | goozbach | dspam is winning |
| 07:26.23 | QBFreak | ack, am I spam? :) |
| 07:26.33 | maquis | -lart goozbach |
| 07:26.38 | maquis | python is winning |
| 07:26.41 | maquis | tcp is winning |
| 07:26.43 | maquis | and i'm lost as can be |
| 07:27.02 | QBFreak | ack it got late, I need to be up in like four and a half hours... |
| 07:27.08 | maquis | and i have a strange feeling that dr zappala is not going to be checking his email in the next 4 hours |
| 07:27.14 | QBFreak | and I still wanted to watch the episode of NCIS I taped before bed... |
| 07:27.21 | QBFreak | ack |
| 07:27.25 | QBFreak | that's no good |
| 07:27.31 | QBFreak | oh right |
| 07:28.12 | QBFreak | when I took Advanced C++, it was online and the only deadline was the end of the semester for all the labs |
| 07:28.33 | QBFreak | I think I ended up doing them all as an all-nighter on the night before the deadline |
| 07:28.47 | QBFreak | all but the first two |
| 07:29.41 | QBFreak | aand I forgot how that was relevant |
| 07:29.45 | QBFreak | goodnight all :) |
| 07:37.09 | maquis | QBFreak: gnight |
| 07:50.24 | goozbach | think I got it |
| 07:50.44 | goozbach | word to the wise... |
| 07:50.46 | TheDiff | dirty goozbach, dirty |
| 07:50.56 | goozbach | don't build rpm on little sleep |
| 07:51.14 | goozbach | TheDiff: normally RPMs are really good to me |
| 07:51.26 | goozbach | dspam is just making things difficult |
| 07:51.56 | goozbach | I wanted to create an RPM so it wouldn't make a mess of my system |
| 07:52.15 | goozbach | but my stuipd typo alreay tool care of tat |
| 07:52.21 | maquis | goozbach: you might be running on more sleep than me |
| 07:52.30 | goozbach | er took care of that |
| 07:52.40 | goozbach | drat! |
| 07:52.49 | goozbach | I just realized i need to be up by nine |
| 07:54.34 | goozbach | WOOHOO |
| 07:54.38 | goozbach | iti built |
| 07:58.09 | goozbach | now to get the stupid scripts running correctly |
| 08:03.18 | maquis | w00t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 08:07.25 | TheDiff|sleep | !!!!11111!!1one |
| 08:18.58 | goozbach | good night moon |
| 08:27.14 | goozbach | DSPAMMMM!!!!! |
| 08:31.15 | goozbach | ALL this I've been going through and there's a RF package already!!!!! |
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| 13:48.34 | mheath | Good morning. |
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| 14:23.27 | QBFreakAtWork | I don't use cpan much, but is it normal for it to take a while and use an ever-growing amount of ram? |
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| 14:45.50 | graphyx | well QBFreak I do think that it compiles stuff. So compilation does take time and memory |
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| 15:05.54 | QBFreakAtWork | it is taking a fair amount of both :) |
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| 15:47.45 | RyanE_ | Does anyone know if timing out / reconnecting to IRC networks is a 'feature' of irssi any more than another IRC reader? My connection seems to re-login to IRC a LOT, and I wonder if it's irssi... |
| 15:49.09 | TheTiGuR | I am using irssi and have been conencted for about 4 days now without timing out |
| 15:49.50 | TheTiGuR | Make that 7 days |
| 15:56.27 | graphyx | RyanE: I think that is more a feature of some ISPs |
| 15:56.50 | QBFreakAtWork | RyanE: do you use a router with NAT? |
| 15:57.11 | QBFreakAtWork | and get dropped mainly when things are quiet/ |
| 16:02.34 | RyanE | well, I doubt Xmission is kicking me off, and I haven't noticed my m0n0wall firewall kicking ssh connections... |
| 16:02.52 | RyanE | so I don't think it'd be kicking IRC connections, either. |
| 16:03.51 | TheTiGuR | Do you connect to specific irc servers, or just whatever gets assigned at random? |
| 16:03.58 | QBFreakAtWork | I've had issues where connections (to a MUD) would quietly get dropped if I was connected through a NAT and there was a long-enough period of inactivity |
| 16:05.58 | RyanE | TheTiGuR: whatever gets assigned. Is there a particularly good freenode server I should be using? |
| 16:06.17 | RyanE | QBFreakAtWork: I've seen systems that log you out on inactivity, but I don't think it has anything to do with NAT. |
| 16:06.24 | TheTiGuR | Can't say, I've only been getting on for the last couple of weeks |
| 16:06.44 | QBFreakAtWork | RyanE: this one doesn't, /me is an admin :) |
| 16:07.03 | TheTiGuR | Currently I am connected to kornbluth.freenode.net |
| 16:07.06 | QBFreakAtWork | I'm not the only one who has experience that either |
| 16:07.56 | TheTiGuR | I would watch and see what server you are connected to when you get dropped and see if you find any correclation there |
| 16:08.17 | RyanE | I've noticed that it's after irssi reports a long lag time, it'll disconnect and reconnect. |
| 16:08.34 | RyanE | so I have suspicions that it's irssi doing the drop/reconnect |
| 16:08.40 | TheTiGuR | I've had similar problems with getting dropped behind nat, but those were ssh conenctions that timed out at 30 minutes if I wasn't doing noop's every so often |
| 16:11.40 | emcnabb | 1/quit |
| 16:11.52 | emcnabb | crap :-) |
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| 16:35.01 | lars-ut | is everydns.net frequently laggy? |
| 16:35.36 | lars-ut | it seems to be very unresponsive right now - maybe just me? |
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| 16:41.23 | jsmith | lars-ut: I've never had a problem with it -- let me try it. |
| 16:41.56 | jsmith | lars-ut: It's working great for me |
| 16:44.09 | Jayce^ | same here |
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| 17:01.16 | lars-ut | looks fine now |
| 17:01.39 | lars-ut | about 30 min ago it was _very_ slow |
| 17:02.06 | lars-ut | thanks for checking jsmith & Jayce^ |
| 17:02.35 | QBFreakAtWork | tab completion! |
| 17:02.59 | QBFreakAtWork | JayTAB saves you two keystrokes _and_ a shift :) |
| 17:03.15 | QBFreakAtWork | assuming your client is helpful like that |
| 17:04.52 | lars-ut | thanks QBFreakAtWork! |
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| 17:05.15 | lars-ut | can't believe I didn't try that before... |
| 17:05.37 | lars-ut | ~lart lars-ut |
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| 17:07.23 | levi | Morning. |
| 17:09.08 | mrpull- | mornin' |
| 17:10.15 | QBFreakAtWork | the good line: morning, afternoon, evening, night, luck -- collect them all! |
| 17:10.17 | mrpull- | unum: i've got "Goodnight Moon", but my daughter would kill me if I let you borrow it. |
| 17:10.39 | QBFreakAtWork | oh, real products |
| 17:10.58 | unum | it's a movie |
| 17:11.01 | unum | a REALLY good movie |
| 17:11.05 | unum | imdo |
| 17:11.09 | unum | imnsho |
| 17:11.11 | unum | I mean |
| 17:28.54 | levi | elg: Have you played with Quartz Composer at all? |
| 17:29.13 | levi | http://www.zugakousaku.com/index.cgi?quartz&&en |
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| 17:29.16 | brac | [Futurismo Zugakousaku] |
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| 18:38.39 | maquis | ~lart school |
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| 18:57.00 | maquis | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:00.01 | TheDiff|sleep | emacs is dirty |
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| 19:02.25 | maquis | yeah |
| 19:06.11 | goozbach | well that's $100 I didn't have to spend. |
| 19:06.20 | goozbach | grr |
| 19:06.40 | goozbach | I broke the snowboard I rented yesterday |
| 19:10.32 | RyanE_ | ouch |
| 19:11.41 | goozbach | cursed son of a monkey! |
| 19:16.00 | obfuscated | goozbach: you should just buy one from us ;-) |
| 19:17.00 | goozbach | obfuscated: us? |
| 19:17.10 | obfuscated | http://www.backcountry.com |
| 19:17.18 | goozbach | it's probally not going to do me much good in FLA |
| 19:17.36 | obfuscated | probably not - how did you break a snowboard in FLA? |
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| 19:19.18 | goozbach | I'm not in FLA yet |
| 19:19.29 | goozbach | I went snowboarding one last time yesterday |
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| 19:19.34 | goozbach | at brighton |
| 19:23.30 | maquis | goozbach: how'd you break the snowboard? |
| 19:23.51 | maquis | i'd hope that at least you were doing something *really* cool when it broke |
| 19:24.30 | maquis | and how broken is it? |
| 19:25.45 | goozbach | I snapped off the the tail |
| 19:26.28 | goozbach | I dropped into a big bowl of powder and crashed |
| 19:26.38 | goozbach | whne I tried to get back up it snapped |
| 19:26.49 | goozbach | s/whne/when/ |
| 19:27.14 | maquis | ah |
| 19:27.36 | maquis | trying to get back up isn't something cool to break a snowboard doing.... |
| 19:28.07 | goozbach | shush |
| 19:28.29 | maquis | although judging from the number of people on crutches and with casts around campus, i suppose you could've broken worse things... |
| 19:28.32 | goozbach | I fell down doing sometin cooldoes that cound |
| 19:28.42 | goozbach | stupid lag |
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| 19:36.38 | obfuscated | Jayce^: is google pages giving you guys any trouble? |
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| 19:39.41 | maquis | QBFreakAtWork: i think you were up too late last night |
| 19:47.00 | Jayce^ | uh, how would they give us trouble? |
| 19:47.20 | QBFreakAtWork | I think I was too |
| 19:47.25 | QBFreakAtWork | two hours of sleep, whoo! |
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| 20:29.52 | SpecialZ | Guess who's installing WinXP on a MacBook Pro |
| 20:31.10 | Jayce^ | what a waste of good hardware |
| 20:32.00 | SpecialZ | Proof of concept for work |
| 20:32.02 | jsmith | What a waste of good hard drive space... |
| 20:32.20 | SpecialZ | So I'm getting paid to do it |
| 20:32.21 | jsmith | I don't care if it's for work or pleasure -- it's still a waste... |
| 20:32.35 | jsmith | Overpriced OS on overpriced hardware -- big deal |
| 20:33.03 | SpecialZ | I was hopin we'd hold off on first rev purchases |
| 20:33.32 | SpecialZ | Since prices will become more reasonable soon |
| 20:33.35 | jsmith | I was hoping that since Apples are just standard Intel hardware now, their prices would drop by 50% -- it's nice to dream, isn't it? |
| 20:33.53 | SpecialZ | you can always hope |
| 20:34.15 | SpecialZ | But considering supply issues, I think current pricing really does reflect supply and demand |
| 20:34.35 | jsmith | Unfortunately, even if the prices *did* drop by 50%, I'd still be more money than I'm able/willing/likely to pay. |
| 20:35.21 | SpecialZ | I'd seriously consider a 12" when it's around $1100. |
| 20:35.37 | lars-ut | jsmith, Jayce^: looks like everydns.net was having problems this morning |
| 20:35.38 | lars-ut | http://www.everydns.net/news.php |
| 20:36.29 | levi | I don't see why a MacBook Pro, as a high-end laptop, ought to be really cheap. |
| 20:37.04 | jsmith | levi: What is it that makes it "high-end", besides the price? |
| 20:37.08 | SpecialZ | (student price = $1400) right now for 12" G4. I could have sworn it was lower. |
| 20:38.16 | levi | jsmith: The fact that it benchmarks faster than most other Core Duo laptops. |
| 20:38.27 | levi | jsmith: While running Windows and Windows benchmarks. |
| 20:38.53 | SpecialZ | Acer got the same time. |
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| 20:39.28 | SpecialZ | and everybody else was way off. ( 1:10 vs 1:50 ) |
| 20:41.39 | levi | I'm not sure how the prices compare, though. |
| 20:44.44 | SpecialZ | Acer TM 8204 $2376.00 on ZipZoomFly |
| 20:44.58 | SpecialZ | i. e. more expensive than the macbook |
| 20:45.36 | levi | I really don't think Apple's prices are all that high for what they are these days. |
| 20:45.56 | SpecialZ | Just admit your mac hat'n and stop trolling ;) |
| 20:46.12 | levi | They just don't have as wide of a product line as someone like Dell does. |
| 20:47.23 | SpecialZ | You're right, they should have more trash consumer level luggable computers |
| 20:48.13 | levi | SpecialZ: Are you telling me to 'admit your mac hat'n and stop trolling' or someone else? |
| 20:48.23 | SpecialZ | laptops that are 4 inches thick. I need one of those |
| 20:48.26 | SpecialZ | I was joking |
| 20:48.34 | levi | Because I'm defending their product line, not attacking it. |
| 21:06.39 | lars-ut | I found a local FM 97.5 talk stream: |
| 21:06.44 | lars-ut | mms://uni1.sa.streamaudio.com/KFMS_FM |
| 21:09.37 | harleypig | I have a flexible spending account and I can fill in reimbursement forms online using an interactive pdf document. However, I can't save it to my local system. Does anyone know of a way to interact with that kind of a setup from a perl script? |
| 21:10.00 | graphyx | harleypig: Just wget it. |
| 21:10.14 | graphyx | or are you trying to save the altered form? |
| 21:11.22 | harleypig | I'm trying to save the altered form. I'd like to be able to just have the program enter the stuff that repeats every time (my contact info, etc.). |
| 21:12.14 | mheath | harleypig: June 26th, I'll be down in San Diego. |
| 21:12.19 | mheath | Yah, my DS can run Linux! :) |
| 21:12.36 | graphyx | harleypig: Check out mechanize. |
| 21:12.47 | graphyx | You should be able to get the script to do the manipulations to the page. |
| 21:12.49 | harleypig | mheath: ooo RAH! |
| 21:13.04 | graphyx | However.. Saving the altered content isn't hard either. |
| 21:13.09 | mheath | oorah :) |
| 21:13.12 | graphyx | but I don't know about a pdf part. |
| 21:13.34 | mheath | I need to install Linux on this |
| 21:13.53 | mheath | telnet, internet. |
| 21:14.44 | harleypig | mheath: good luck ... it's not something I'd wish on my worst enemy, but it'll make you a better man in the long run. |
| 21:14.55 | harleypig | on what? |
| 21:15.06 | harleypig | DS? What is that? |
| 21:15.16 | graphyx | Nintendo DS |
| 21:15.19 | harleypig | graphyx: saving it is easy, just print to file. |
| 21:15.21 | graphyx | new age gameboy |
| 21:15.21 | harleypig | oh ... |
| 21:15.31 | harleypig | can't help you wiht that ... have no experience with it. |
| 21:15.35 | graphyx | er.. next gen gameboy |
| 21:15.49 | harleypig | heh 'new age gameboy' |
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| 21:16.27 | graphyx | the screen has like psycadelic colors man.. It's totally groovy!! |
| 21:19.35 | *** join/#utah linuxalien (n=linuxali@host-73.colo.spiretech.com) |
| 21:22.07 | goozbach | comcast is having issues in my neigherboohood |
| 21:23.48 | *** join/#utah Robdor (n=rob@208.187.198.179) |
| 21:24.26 | linuxalien | Is it slow? |
| 21:24.35 | linuxalien | I have comcast and it's slow for some reason |
| 21:25.33 | Motoko | lol |
| 21:25.37 | Motoko | Switch to Infowest |
| 21:25.43 | Motoko | so I can support you |
| 21:25.43 | linuxalien | It's usually fast |
| 21:25.51 | linuxalien | Cool, is it DSL or something else? |
| 21:25.59 | Motoko | Infowest? |
| 21:26.10 | Motoko | We do DSL and the Wireless Cable Modem thingy |
| 21:26.34 | linuxalien | Nice. I'd try you out if I didn't have so much invested in my two comcast emails. |
| 21:26.45 | linuxalien | Plus it's bundled with cable tv |
| 21:32.16 | goozbach | and I'm moving in three days |
| 21:32.29 | goozbach | YAY!!!! |
| 21:32.33 | linuxalien | Moving is fun sometimes |
| 21:32.37 | goozbach | smartsieve is working |
| 21:33.17 | linuxalien | My brain is working. Go figure! |
| 21:33.41 | mheath | these things scratch easily |
| 21:33.48 | mheath | bought it last night, already have a big scratch in it |
| 21:33.52 | mheath | put it in my pocket with my keys =\ |
| 21:37.51 | levi | What's a wirless cable modem thingy? |
| 21:37.58 | levi | s/wirless/wireless/ |
| 21:38.09 | obfuscated | Jayce^: just curious if they were now new competition for freeservers |
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| 22:09.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, I just spent the day at UVSC |
| 22:10.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying (sucessfully) to get around their limitations on the internet there, without using a student's login (which I don't have) |
| 22:16.59 | mheath | Sigh. Its just troubly to realize that I blew $130 on this, and already its scratched =\ |
| 22:18.20 | levi | There are more fruitful ways to spend a day at UVSC. |
| 22:19.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not when it's spring break and you're doing nothing for hours on end |
| 22:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | (spring break for the college) |
| 22:19.53 | levi | That's why my laptop is filled with books and programming projects to work on. |
| 22:20.01 | levi | (I am a UVSC student) |
| 22:20.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 22:20.31 | ScytheBlade1 | You poked long enough to figure out the one hole in their network? It's a rather fun hole |
| 22:20.55 | levi | No, I just don't use the internet while I'm there. |
| 22:21.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That works too |
| 22:21.19 | levi | Makes my battery last longer, too. :) |
| 22:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, we just plugged in |
| 22:21.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The corner table, 7th floor of the CS building |
| 22:22.50 | ScytheBlade1 | That was the only place where we could find DHCP, as all of the wifi (you're coated in wifi, btw) was either protected or no DHCP |
| 22:24.42 | Bradipo | Quick poll... |
| 22:25.14 | goozbach | no |
| 22:25.22 | goozbach | yesterday |
| 22:25.27 | goozbach | and fruit punch |
| 22:25.40 | ScytheBlade1 | apple juice! |
| 22:25.54 | Bradipo | Would it have been better to use select()? |
| 22:26.00 | Bradipo | Quick select()... |
| 22:26.12 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.27 | Bradipo | maquis: Is that partition still a BSD partition. :-) |
| 22:26.34 | maquis | no... ntfs |
| 22:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, or if it's a reiserfs partitio--- or that |
| 22:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ~google Partition Magic |
| 22:26.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Please ibot? |
| 22:27.13 | goozbach | knoppix |
| 22:27.25 | goozbach | the resizer works like a charm under qtparted |
| 22:27.27 | levi | Bradipo: Would it have been better to use select() than what? For what purpose? |
| 22:27.44 | Bradipo | levi: I was poking fun at all the pollsters who responded before I had made the poll. |
| 22:28.32 | levi | Oh, I see. |
| 22:28.43 | mheath | I wonder what computer access will be in the Corp. |
| 22:29.05 | mheath | You commonly here of guys deployed over in Iraq who play WoW and such.....but I'm thinking my days of playing with OSS stuff are numbered. |
| 22:29.36 | maquis | we're trying a partition magic cd now |
| 22:29.56 | mheath | s/here/hear/g |
| 22:30.06 | Bradipo | mheath: Why are they numbered? |
| 22:31.33 | levi | Bradipo: So what were you going to poll us about? |
| 22:32.36 | Bradipo | For an office mail server, what is the minimum recommended amount of time that a mail server should attempt to deliver a message. |
| 22:33.21 | Bradipo | 1 hour, 4 hours, 1 day, 3 days, etc... I know what the RFCs recommend by the way. |
| 22:33.39 | mheath | Bradipo: I'll be going through USMC Recruit Training in 3 months. After that, I'll me an infantryman in the Marine Corp. I'll be living in barracks and/or combat situations for the next 4+ years of my life. |
| 22:35.00 | mheath | I will have access to computers (email, web browsing) from time to time, but I won't have my own computer to idle on IRC with or to play with the newest GNU/Linux trend on. |
| 22:35.49 | jlp_work | mheath: did you get your dad to sign off on the USMC, then? congrats |
| 22:36.13 | jlp_work | Bradipo: I would say 5 days, personally. enough to cover a long weekend |
| 22:36.47 | jlp_work | and watch your queues, if you get 10 gazillion messages for the same destination, you might consider cleaning it out sooner :-) |
| 22:37.15 | mheath | jlp_work: Not for sure yet =\ |
| 22:37.35 | unum | mheath: have you seen jarhead? |
| 22:37.39 | mheath | And I still haven't told him that I'm thinking about going infantry. |
| 22:38.08 | mheath | unum: Bad combo of Full Metal Jacket and First Blood. Nothing original. |
| 22:38.24 | unum | mheath: haven't seen the other two |
| 22:38.56 | unum | though i thought they were a lot different |
| 22:38.58 | jlp_work | Full Metal Jacket good, First Blood bad |
| 22:40.04 | mheath | Can any debian nut tell me how to have apt-get remove ignore the packages remove scripts? |
| 22:40.32 | unum | jarhead was a recruitment movie for the airforce |
| 22:40.41 | mheath | LMAO |
| 22:42.42 | mheath | Air Force have no pride in their service, I've discovered. |
| 22:42.52 | mheath | Its a typical job to them. |
| 22:43.43 | RyanE_ | now *there's* a generalization. I'm sure someone, somewhere in the AF has pride in their service. I'm sure someone in the USMC treats it like a typical job. |
| 22:43.46 | jlp_work | oh, I don't know. the guys on flying status are pretty psyched. none of that hoo-ahh crap, though |
| 22:44.08 | jlp_work | missile guys were pretty dedicated, back in the day |
| 22:44.45 | mheath | My dad was in the USAF for almost 30 years. He's as high ranked as the second-in-command at Hill Air Force Base. Yet, he professes no interest in the military, no interest in ever wearing his uniform ever again. He is indifferent when I ask him if he wants an honor guard and taps to be played at his funeral. |
| 22:45.09 | RyanE_ | and that's a sample size of 1. |
| 22:45.34 | mheath | RyanE_: It is a generalization, but unfortunately for the most part its true. USAF members are known for being sloppier, having less pride in their uniform, and being less concious of their actions. |
| 22:45.47 | mheath | You see USAF members coming into my work for lunch all the time, wearing BDUs, for example |
| 22:45.57 | jlp_work | heh, my dad was in the USAF for 28.5 years. E-9. he definitely wants the honor guard, etc. |
| 22:45.59 | mheath | Their not supposed to do that. Thats not a uniform that you wear outside of your work area. |
| 22:46.52 | jlp_work | also worked 10 years in civil service for retiree affairs |
| 22:47.18 | jlp_work | currently volunteers at the museum at dover afb once a week |
| 22:47.18 | mheath | I know that it is a generalization, and I'm sure there are people in the USAF who are extremely proud of their service and have extreme pride in their uniform and organization. I just don't meet too many of them. |
| 22:47.38 | RyanE | and what they're wearing correlates 100% to "it's a typical job to them?, that they have no pride in the service?" |
| 22:48.40 | Bradipo | mheath: Have you ever asked him why he's indifferent? |
| 22:48.51 | mheath | RyanE: Yes. Virtually everyone I have met in the USAF has treated it like a typical 9-5 job, they just happen to be wearing weird clothing. |
| 22:49.04 | mheath | I think a lot of this is because the USAF is, by far, the newest branch of the military. |
| 22:49.20 | mheath | It has the least tradition, the least heritage, and the least legacy of excellence. |
| 22:49.52 | jlp_work | read up on curtis lemay some time |
| 22:50.03 | mheath | And, the situations that arise from working as a mechanic or technician on Hill Air Force Base (before you go home to your wife and kids) don't inspire the same kind of comraderie as living in a barracks with a platoon of men you trust with your life. |
| 22:50.51 | RyanE | and you're not just a little bit influenced because your idealism because of your situation? |
| 22:50.58 | Bradipo | mheath: By that standard, no profession would garner as much pride as the bunker... |
| 22:51.39 | Bradipo | Indeed, none of us in the computer industry could have any pride because it is pretty fledgling compared to the traditional industries that have been around for hundreds of years. |
| 22:51.43 | RyanE | Bradipo: no profession coud *ever* garner as much pride, based on our sample size of 1 mheath. :) |
| 22:51.57 | jlp_work | hee hee |
| 22:52.04 | RyanE | oh, and not to mention that most of the guys I work with wear shorts and stained t-shirts to work. |
| 22:52.05 | mheath | Bradipo: .....Your pride in your organization is nothing compared to that of a United States Marine. |
| 22:52.33 | levi | Bradipo: You don't know anything compared to mheath. He's always right. |
| 22:52.42 | Bradipo | Nope. There is no comradery between us. |
| 22:53.11 | Bradipo | I'm just a capitalist pig, in it for the money. |
| 22:53.16 | RyanE | amen, brother. |
| 22:53.49 | mheath | You don't make your uniform look good to pass inspection, or to look pretty! You make your uniform look good because thousands of people have died wearing this. Because it is a representation of the committed people that have served in the defense of our country. |
| 22:54.03 | mheath | Because you care in the overall image of your unit, not how well you look or how you do on inspection. |
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| 22:54.56 | unum | the usaf doesn't need to hype up their job. They actually get to kill people. |
| 22:55.18 | RyanE | mheath: I'm sure that's the case for you, but likely not *every* Marine. |
| 22:55.53 | mheath | jlp_work: I have met many, and worked directly with quite a few. My RTC's BATCOM was a Marine. Several instructors, including the COTC at my last field training were Marines |
| 22:56.10 | mheath | I have met and worked with many up at the reserve center, too. |
| 22:56.46 | jlp_work | mheath: http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2005/050325_mfe_colby_1.html interesting read |
| 22:56.55 | brac | [Esquire:Feature Story:The Making of the Twenty-First-Century Soldier (Part 1)] |
| 22:57.08 | mheath | RyanE: Most of the Marines I have met treat unit pride as an obsessive ideal. |
| 22:57.23 | goozbach | could it be...? |
| 22:57.25 | mheath | They take unbelievable pride in their unite. Their Marines! |
| 22:57.29 | mheath | *They're |
| 22:57.29 | goozbach | i think it is! |
| 22:57.41 | goozbach | I BUILT A DSPAM RPM FINALLY!!!! |
| 22:57.41 | Bradipo | jlp_work: Sheesh, is this work safe? |
| 22:57.53 | jlp_work | well, there's a little swearing in it |
| 22:58.00 | Bradipo | I'm not talking about the article... |
| 22:58.09 | jlp_work | the ads? :-) |
| 22:58.18 | Bradipo | Yeah. :-) |
| 22:58.31 | RyanE | Bradipo: depends on where you work. If you're a Marine, it's work-safe. |
| 22:58.43 | jlp_work | I never look at ads... skim right past them |
| 22:58.43 | Bradipo | To be fair, they are clothed. |
| 22:59.05 | Bradipo | goozbach: That was challenging eh? |
| 22:59.07 | mheath | RyanE: LMAO. Oorah =P |
| 22:59.16 | Bradipo | Some RPMs are a breeze, and then there are those like dspam. |
| 22:59.17 | mheath | Theres ads? |
| 22:59.26 | mheath | Er, I keep forgetting I have an adblocker in firefox now. |
| 22:59.38 | mheath | So convenient, I've started taking it for granted. Its an ad-free internet! |
| 22:59.56 | levi | mheath: How many days until boot camp now? |
| 23:00.01 | Bradipo | Ads don't bother me so much as popups do. |
| 23:00.50 | mheath | levi: The tentative date is June 26th. |
| 23:01.00 | Bradipo | If ads are too annoying I simply add their domain to my authoritative name servers, redirect my caches to those name servers and then voila! No more ads ever, from every PC I use on that network. |
| 23:01.08 | mheath | Considering my situation, though, that won't be concrete until probably June 23rd or so =P |
| 23:01.41 | mheath | I will definately be gone either June 26th or July 10th. |
| 23:02.30 | mheath | levi: 3 months and 3 days. :) |
| 23:02.58 | levi | Well, I hope you will not burst from your enthusiasm before then. |
| 23:03.15 | mheath | levi: I am more scared than you can imagine. |
| 23:03.40 | mheath | I have been through related experiences that tried me, and I know USMC Recruit Training is like those but much, much, much worse. Physically and Mentally. |
| 23:03.57 | mheath | I look forward to leaving, yet dread it. |
| 23:06.26 | mheath | However, that is almost one of my motivations for joining the Corp. |
| 23:07.07 | mheath | When I was looking at the Navy, I felt completely comfortable with the idea of Navy boot camp. Because of my experiences now, I'm convinced USN boot would be as close to a walk in the park as boot camp can be |
| 23:07.30 | mheath | I want the USMC to push me to the edge. To push me farther than I thought I could go, and keep pushing. I want to be the best person I can be. |
| 23:08.57 | mheath | I want to come back the biggest, baddest guy in the world. Why? Because I've never been particular tough, and up till a couple of years ago I was never particularly physical |
| 23:09.56 | Bradipo | mheath: So you aren't really going into the military to become the champion of American ideals and freedom? |
| 23:10.32 | RyanE | wasn't "be all that you can be" the Army's slogan? :) |
| 23:10.45 | jlp_work | yeah, that was army |
| 23:10.53 | Bradipo | Is it no longer the slogan? |
| 23:10.59 | levi | The Marines do have some slick ads, though. |
| 23:11.14 | jlp_work | I think the army switched to "an army of one" at some point... I recall seeing it a lot |
| 23:11.21 | mheath | And unarguably the slickest uniforms, levi :) |
| 23:11.34 | jlp_work | USAF's slogan used to be "aim high", I forget what they changed it to, but I thought it was dumb, too |
| 23:11.49 | levi | Sure, if I wanted to wear a uniform. |
| 23:11.52 | Bradipo | levi: I have always preferred the ads from the marine. |
| 23:12.29 | mheath | I was impressed by the USMC recruiters. They're far more goal oriented than the other branches. |
| 23:12.45 | jlp_work | gee, mheath, according to http://www.af.mil/ the air force is all about "integrity, service, excellence" :-) |
| 23:12.46 | brac | [Air Force Link - Home] |
| 23:13.14 | mheath | USN and USAF tries to tell you "look at all this cool technology! Look at this cool job training! Look at the adventure!" |
| 23:13.29 | mheath | US Army tries to bribe you in right now. Join now, and get a $40,000 bonus! |
| 23:14.03 | mheath | USMC sits down and talks about what your goals in life. Do you want education? Do you want direction? And then discusses how the USMC can and can't help you fulfill those goals. |
| 23:15.04 | Bradipo | mheath: Can you use bribe and army in the same sentence? |
| 23:15.42 | mrpull- | mheath: aren't you already set for life? |
| 23:15.43 | Bradipo | mheath: Isn't it more like, they try to offer you better benefits, salary, what have you... |
| 23:15.56 | mheath | mrpull-: ? |
| 23:16.02 | mheath | Bradipo: No. |
| 23:16.09 | Bradipo | They are seriously bribing? |
| 23:16.31 | mheath | My friend was told, when he was in the process of signing up for the US Army, that he had to finish his paperwork THAT DAY or he wouldn't get a particular bonus. |
| 23:16.50 | mheath | He was told - you have no time to think about this. Complete the paperwork today, or you don't get this. |
| 23:16.58 | Bradipo | Sounds like a common sales technique. I often get told by vendors that the prices will go up at the end of the month. |
| 23:17.09 | mheath | This was a complete lie. That bonus lasted for months. |
| 23:18.14 | Bradipo | mheath: That's not different than my vendor telling me that the rates are going up at the end of the month. I doubt they do, rates can't rise forever thanks to competitive egde, product differentiation, etc... |
| 23:19.08 | Bradipo | mheath: It sounds manipulative for sure though, but no one forces you to take the ``bonus'' :-) |
| 23:20.14 | mheath | Bradipo: Its also a common practice for army recruiters to promise recruits bonuses which really don't exist or that they can't get, relying on the fact that most people don't read the fine print or know hat it has to actually be in their contract for them to get it. |
| 23:21.04 | mheath | See, bonuses aren't being handed 40,000 in cash. They pay you over time. |
| 23:21.11 | mheath | Starting after you leave |
| 23:21.21 | mheath | A LOT of people ship off with the Army thinking their getting a lot of stuff they're not. |
| 23:21.25 | mheath | *they're |
| 23:21.55 | Bradipo | I assume you are bringing this up because the Marines, on the other hand, don't do this? |
| 23:24.44 | mheath | Bradipo: The Marines honestly don't try to bribe any old person in. They're interested in the best of the best (they lose a lot of people in bootcamp, 15% don't make it through and many more will be recycled, sent through boot again). Thats why the USMC is less than half the size of the Army. |
| 23:25.26 | Bradipo | mheath: I don't think this fits the common notion of a bribe... |
| 23:26.21 | Bradipo | But that works. |
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| 23:28.27 | ^Migs^ | I just figured out a way to get legitimate slave labor |
| 23:28.50 | ^Migs^ | I hire a college kid to keep my house clean in exchange for free room and board |
| 23:29.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:29.32 | spr | College kid == clean? |
| 23:29.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Sadly enough, if you lived a walking distance away from the U, I'd take it |
| 23:29.41 | ^Migs^ | seriously,t hink about. Free room and board, free cable TV, free DSL. Just keep my house clean. I reserve the right to kick 'em out anytime. |
| 23:29.58 | ^Migs^ | ti's really not a bad deal for a college student. I live about 15 minutes from Weber. |
| 23:30.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Not a bad deal at all, especially considering their options |
| 23:30.14 | ^Migs^ | nice quiet little cul-de-sac in Roy |
| 23:30.32 | ^Migs^ | they could even have a part-time job on the side. Cleaning the house would only take about an hour each day, after my kids are done ransacking it. |
| 23:30.41 | ^Migs^ | I mean, come on. FREE ROOM AND BOARD. |
| 23:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, kids |
| 23:30.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it back |
| 23:30.55 | ^Migs^ | yeah, it will have to be a girl. |
| 23:31.03 | ^Migs^ | I'm not having some guy living in my basement. |
| 23:31.11 | ^Migs^ | blah |
| 23:31.14 | ^Migs^ | how horrible |
| 23:31.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll stay from kids for a while, while I can anyways, thanks |
| 23:31.22 | mrpull- | ^Migs^: what does Mrs ^Migs^ think of that idea? |
| 23:31.23 | *** part/#utah Motoko (n=motoko@emperorzurg.infowest.com) |
| 23:31.28 | ^Migs^ | she's all for it |
| 23:31.35 | mrpull- | what if she is hot? |
| 23:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:31.49 | ^Migs^ | no, I don't want some hot loose blonde chick running aronud my house, bringing over boyfriends |
| 23:31.56 | ^Migs^ | she'll have to be below average in appearance |
| 23:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, there's a newspaper ad for you |
| 23:32.18 | ^Migs^ | heh. "No sluts." |
| 23:32.35 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: Is that slave labor? |
| 23:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | "Looking for below-average looks college girl to tend to house. Husband, wife, and kids. We reserve the right to kick you out at any time. Clean the house equals free room, board, and services." |
| 23:32.44 | *** join/#utah Hhhhh (n=Hhhhhhhh@158.91.201.220) |
| 23:32.52 | ^Migs^ | depends on how you look at it |
| 23:32.56 | RyanE | "more homely a plus" |
| 23:33.01 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: If you made him an offer, he was free to take it or leave it, how is that slavery? |
| 23:33.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ RyanE |
| 23:33.04 | ^Migs^ | You can look at it as legal slave labor, or just a friend helping out around the house |
| 23:33.24 | ^Migs^ | I really can't think of anything bad about this idea. I don't know why more people don't do it. |
| 23:33.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I could guess |
| 23:33.39 | Bradipo | Not much demand maybe? |
| 23:33.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Random college studends living in a random home with kids |
| 23:33.46 | ^Migs^ | come on, free cable, free DSL? All utitilies paid? Do whatever you want at night? |
| 23:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It's just the random person, stranger factor |
| 23:34.09 | ^Migs^ | why isn't there demand? W hy should I have to clean the house when I can sucker some college student into doing it for free? |
| 23:34.09 | Bradipo | This does happen all the time. |
| 23:34.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Given four TCP and UDP ports forwarded, I'd debat it ;) |
| 23:34.16 | ScytheBlade1 | *debate |
| 23:34.22 | Bradipo | Old ladies hire live-in help in the form of room and board all the time. |
| 23:34.43 | ^Migs^ | wow |
| 23:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | What about food though? |
| 23:34.52 | ^Migs^ | see, but it's old ladies. Why not young couples? |
| 23:34.55 | Bradipo | Food may not be included. |
| 23:34.56 | ^Migs^ | why doesn't EVERYONE do it? |
| 23:34.58 | ^Migs^ | we pay for their food |
| 23:35.01 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a win |
| 23:35.05 | ^Migs^ | why wouldn't we? They'll probably cook occasionally, too |
| 23:35.10 | ^Migs^ | isn't that patr of room and board? |
| 23:35.12 | ^Migs^ | wtf is board anyway? |
| 23:35.15 | RyanE | "heavy eaters not desired" |
| 23:35.16 | ^Migs^ | *part |
| 23:35.20 | ScytheBlade1 | lol again @ RyanE |
| 23:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm out ;) |
| 23:35.22 | ^Migs^ | yeah, only anorexic girls need apply |
| 23:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | only anorexic, homely girls need apply |
| 23:35.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I qualify for none of those |
| 23:35.41 | ^Migs^ | anoreix homely antisocial girls |
| 23:35.47 | ^Migs^ | *anorexic |
| 23:35.52 | RyanE | lol |
| 23:35.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That's horrible |
| 23:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Horribly funny |
| 23:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But horrible |
| 23:36.03 | ^Migs^ | it's brilliant |
| 23:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | That too |
| 23:36.07 | RyanE | gee, I wonder why more people don't do this? |
| 23:36.12 | ^Migs^ | the funny thing is, each person thinks they're getting the better end of the deal |
| 23:36.15 | ^Migs^ | EXACTLY, RyanE |
| 23:36.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Tell you what, ^Migs^, relocate to walking distance of the U and I'll do it... I want out of this house :) |
| 23:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (Though I am male...) |
| 23:36.59 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: That's capitalism for you. Voluntary and mutual exchange. Each side believes they benefit or the deal would happen. |
| 23:37.15 | RyanE | ScytheBlade1: you're homely and anorexic? |
| 23:37.27 | Bradipo | RyanE: Worse, girl? |
| 23:37.36 | RyanE | ScytheBlade1: and you'd have an operation to become a girl? |
| 23:37.38 | ScytheBlade1 | RyanE, no, and no, I should have mentioned that ;) |
| 23:37.41 | ScytheBlade1 | and no |
| 23:37.42 | Bradipo | Nothing against girls by that comment... |
| 23:37.54 | Bradipo | Just the fact that I always thought ScytheBlade1 was maile. |
| 23:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | But, given that I have *seven* **younger** siblings |
| 23:38.02 | RyanE | esp when he says he is. |
| 23:38.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I can work with kids rather well |
| 23:38.20 | ScytheBlade1 | and I've never had a girlfriend in that sense of the word, so no worries there |
| 23:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And I clean up after myself. Strange concept, but hey, each to their own |
| 23:38.48 | RyanE | ScytheBlade1: I dunno, that never had a girlfriend thing *may be* a worry. |
| 23:39.02 | ScytheBlade1 | RyanE, might be, yes, but I'm not socially inept. |
| 23:39.11 | ^Migs^ | no, no men |
| 23:39.21 | ^Migs^ | I don't want a man alone in my house with my wife and daughterse |
| 23:39.26 | ^Migs^ | *daughters |
| 23:39.30 | RyanE | and unlikely that ^Migs^ is going to relocate to the U just to get this idea flying |
| 23:39.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, sadly enough |
| 23:39.38 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: My guess is that most people don't really want to clean the house in exchange for free rent. |
| 23:39.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I could use free room, board, and food |
| 23:39.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought that whole sex change operation isn't too appealing |
| 23:39.52 | Bradipo | And that the turnover rate is too high to make it worth the risks. |
| 23:40.07 | nick125 | anyone here use the aalib plugin for mplayer? |
| 23:40.14 | RyanE | yeah, lots of risks. They just are gone someday, along with all your valuables. |
| 23:40.15 | ^Migs^ | I've already brought this idea up with others. I'm sure I can find someone to do it. |
| 23:40.15 | Bradipo | Not only that, I wouldn't want some renter going through my bedrooms to clean them. |
| 23:40.22 | nick125 | I was wondering if you could make it use color or not.. |
| 23:40.24 | ^Migs^ | It's not THAT hard to clean my house. An hour a day, tops. |
| 23:40.33 | ^Migs^ | and it comes with numerous perks. |
| 23:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:40.49 | RyanE | ^Migs^: now you're scaring me. *perks*. |
| 23:40.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Sounds like the recent radio ads for cheap monthly payments on cars |
| 23:40.52 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: If its between one student and other fellow students, then I suppose the risks are fewer. |
| 23:41.01 | Bradipo | Most single students don't have a lot of valuable items worth taking. |
| 23:41.08 | ^Migs^ | well, we're going to interview people, of course |
| 23:41.16 | ^Migs^ | meh, neither do we |
| 23:41.26 | ^Migs^ | some jewelry, but that's about it |
| 23:41.37 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: You own a gun? |
| 23:41.44 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 23:41.45 | Bradipo | Maybe you should... |
| 23:41.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ^Migs^, if you'd move and reconsider the gender thing, I'd debate it ;) |
| 23:41.51 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 23:41.57 | RyanE | "psychos need not apply." |
| 23:42.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be a great newspaper ad |
| 23:42.23 | RyanE | the ad is my favorite part of this conversation |
| 23:42.50 | ScytheBlade1 | What do we have so far? |
| 23:42.59 | Bradipo | ^Migs^: You'll have to let us know how it works out. |
| 23:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | "Looking for a homely, anorexic girl to clean my house. Have wife and kids. All services provided for free in exchange for a clean house. Free room and board, food, internet. Psychotics need not apply, nor homely girls with homely boyfriends." |
| 23:44.56 | ^Migs^ | I actually mentioned this in another chat room, and I had some girl say she'd be willing to move from Canada for the opportunity |
| 23:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | 0_0 |
| 23:45.14 | RyanE | to go to *Weber*? Wow, they're desperate up in Canada. |
| 23:45.19 | ^Migs^ | yeah, Canada blows |
| 23:45.34 | RyanE | no, Canada Sucks. |
| 23:45.39 | ^Migs^ | it blows and sucks |
| 23:45.44 | ^Migs^ | sucks and blows |
| 23:45.49 | ^Migs^ | put that in the ad too |
| 23:47.00 | *** part/#utah mheath (n=mheath@c-24-2-81-30.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:47.02 | ScytheBlade1 | How far away from Weber are you? |
| 23:47.40 | ^Migs^ | 15 minutes |
| 23:47.43 | ^Migs^ | maybe 20 on a bad day |
| 23:47.48 | ^Migs^ | I haven't actually timed it |
| 23:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | "Looking for a homely, anorexic girl to clean my house. Have wife and kids. All services provided for free in exchange for a clean house. Free room and board, food, internet. Psychotics need not apply, nor homely girls with homely boyfriends. Located 10 minutes from Weber State." |
| 23:48.00 | jlp_work | driving or walking? |
| 23:48.03 | ^Migs^ | driving |
| 23:48.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 23:48.07 | ^Migs^ | I live in the suburbs |
| 23:48.10 | ^Migs^ | another perk! |
| 23:48.34 | elg | http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:48.35 | ^Migs^ | haha |
| 23:48.35 | brac | [Open Tax Solver] |
| 23:48.37 | elg | good grief |
| 23:48.46 | ScytheBlade1 | "Looking for a homely, anorexic girl to clean my house. Have wife and kids. All services provided for free in exchange for a clean house. Free room and board, food, internet. Psychotics need not apply, nor homely girls with homely boyfriends. Located 10 minutes from Weber State, in a small suburb." |
| 23:49.53 | mrpull- | elg: opentaxsolver isn't quite as "lickable" as turbotax eh? |
| 23:50.45 | Hhhhh | define "homely" |
| 23:50.55 | Hhhhh | ScytheBlade1, define "homely" |
| 23:50.56 | ScytheBlade1 | not attractive |
| 23:50.58 | elg | i don't care what's lickable. I just don't see the point. if it were to e-file or print pretty pdfs it would be worth entering that convoluted syntax |
| 23:51.06 | elg | but not just as a glorified calculator |
| 23:51.09 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 23:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That really is quite funny |
| 23:51.44 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one of the ads that I'd cut out of the paper and keep for the comic value involved |
| 23:53.16 | ^Migs^ | you could send it in to Jay Leno |
| 23:53.26 | ^Migs^ | crap, this is a great idea. My wife just finished the sign |
| 23:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:53.35 | ^Migs^ | unfortunately, not as funny |
| 23:53.39 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 23:53.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I had hopes |
| 23:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | In all honesty, if you were even considering males, I'd debate it (and if you lived closer to the U) |
| 23:54.11 | ScytheBlade1 | How many kids? |
| 23:54.15 | ^Migs^ | 2 girls. 3 and 1. |
| 23:54.19 | ^Migs^ | the 3 year old plays outside all day |
| 23:54.23 | ^Migs^ | and my wife is home too, so she'll be with the kids |
| 23:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Walk in the park |
| 23:54.29 | ^Migs^ | it's not like a full-time nanny job or anything |
| 23:54.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll give you a few girls |
| 23:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | If you feel that you need more |
| 23:54.43 | ^Migs^ | no |
| 23:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh come on |
| 23:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 23:55.09 | ^Migs^ | I don't care how awesome you are. My wife wouldn't feel comfortable with a man in the house. |
| 23:55.15 | harleypig | What was the url for the utah feed aggregator? |
| 23:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, understandable |
| 23:55.32 | harleypig | nm, it's in the topic. |
| 23:55.52 | ^Migs^ | yeah, check the topic first noob |
| 23:56.05 | ^Migs^ | I'd even let the person have parties occasionally |
| 23:56.11 | ^Migs^ | after all, they'd be cleaning up after it |
| 23:56.14 | harleypig | ? noob? |
| 23:57.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ^Migs^, well, good luck with that |
| 23:57.25 | ^Migs^ | hehe, thanks |
| 23:57.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Let us know how it turns out.. and I'm still recommending an ad in the paper ;) |
| 23:57.31 | ^Migs^ | I'm sure we'll get at least a few calls |
| 23:57.35 | ^Migs^ | yeah |
| 23:57.46 | ^Migs^ | I really just want a student, though |
| 23:57.54 | ^Migs^ | it's just kind of pathetic if some non-student lives in our basement |
| 23:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | "Looking for a homely, anorexic college girl to clean my house. Have wife and kids. All services provided for free in exchange for a clean house. Free room and board, food, internet. Psychotics need not apply, nor homely girls with homely boyfriends. Located 10 minutes from Weber State, in a small suburb." |
| 23:58.22 | ^Migs^ | I mean, someone with goals, you know. Not just someone looking for a free place to live and mooch off us. |
| 23:58.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. |
| 23:59.56 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (i=nobody@xbmodder.us) |
| 23:59.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Whats coming first: Hurd or Vista? |