| 00:02.13 | findlay | fortunately there's nobody living above me (: |
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| 00:22.21 | scott_ | apparently unison is a pain to get running in windows on a usb drive. |
| 00:27.07 | scott_ | it needs ssh, and that needs all sorts of environment variables set to run |
| 00:27.50 | scott_ | maybe a batch file would do that but somehow it would need to figure out the drive number |
| 00:27.54 | scott_ | s/letter |
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| 01:01.38 | maquis | findlay: it could be worse... |
| 01:01.43 | maquis | my neighors are great |
| 01:01.49 | maquis | my roommates are another issue |
| 01:04.30 | findlay | maquis: feeling like you are in a den of theives? Out of the frying pan and into the fire? Your cliché here? |
| 01:05.56 | maquis | findlay: erm... some of those work |
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| 01:09.28 | findlay | friday already? |
| 01:09.32 | findlay | really? |
| 01:09.33 | maquis | yup |
| 01:11.05 | findlay | I cleaned my apartment, did the dishes, emerge -uDN world, and I'm done with housekeeping for this week |
| 01:14.16 | elg | that's braindead. this linksys router won't do dhcp with nat turned off |
| 01:14.52 | TheDiff | my linksys router wont do dhcp at all |
| 01:14.56 | TheDiff | its a piece of crap |
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| 01:18.58 | xbmodder_lappy | Is it just me, or has digg popped up with the cure of 3-4 fatal diseases today |
| 01:23.10 | nick125_ | lol |
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| 01:39.23 | RyanE_ | scott_: You can get versions of unison compiled for windows without the ssh requirement. |
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| 01:54.17 | elg | ~lart norton |
| 01:54.27 | elg | ~lart norton |
| 01:54.39 | elg | -lart norton |
| 01:54.46 | elg | -lart norton |
| 01:54.55 | elg | -lart sjansen |
| 01:55.19 | elg | seriously, how do they expect people to do anything with their computers with these silly programs? |
| 01:55.26 | elg | worse than the viruses |
| 01:59.49 | elg | ooh, how about the library |
| 01:59.58 | elg | or in the basement of the hfac |
| 02:00.02 | maquis | elg: not the library... but it might be the talmage |
| 02:00.05 | elg | by an organ practice room |
| 02:00.08 | elg | oh wait, no wireless there |
| 02:00.23 | elg | the second floor lounge is ok if there's nobody there |
| 02:03.22 | findlay | elg: that's what dual core procs are for |
| 02:03.35 | findlay | it's an iron lung for your system |
| 02:03.42 | findlay | one core dedicated to norton |
| 02:04.06 | findlay | one core to bind them all |
| 02:04.14 | findlay | and in the darkness spam them |
| 02:04.31 | findlay | eh, what are we going to do tonight Brain? |
| 02:05.45 | elg | if the warranty knows anything, I guess it does have a an |
| 02:05.46 | elg | fan |
| 02:08.34 | findlay | but not tonight. Tonight we get to get gnucash-1.9.2 to compile, yeah |
| 02:10.58 | elg | findlay: practice what? the piano? |
| 02:11.29 | findlay | elg: viola, so any room would do |
| 02:11.42 | elg | so what's wrong with any room? |
| 02:11.46 | findlay | although I try to find deserted places with decent acoustics |
| 02:11.57 | findlay | elg: there are none near here |
| 02:12.14 | elg | no rooms? are you in the marriott center? I wouldn't practice there either. |
| 02:13.20 | findlay | no, I'm here: http://www.google.com/lochp?q=1564+N+Moon+River+Dr+Provo&t=h |
| 02:13.49 | findlay | walkable to BYU, yes, but I'm too lazy |
| 02:18.45 | elg | you're in a thicket of trees? |
| 02:21.05 | findlay | under a canopy of trees but inside nevertheless |
| 02:28.44 | TheDiff | anyone know if people have gotten mouses with 4-way scroll wheels working? |
| 02:29.08 | findlay | so instead of a scroll wheel it has a scroll ball? |
| 02:29.27 | findlay | that would be nice if you needed it I guess |
| 02:32.07 | findlay | but that would be \lim_{n->0} \frac{2\pi}{n} |
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| 02:50.16 | TheDiff | findlay: no, it has a scroll wheel, that tilts |
| 02:50.21 | TheDiff | its all the rage these days |
| 02:50.26 | TheDiff | personally, i think it sucks |
| 02:50.39 | findlay | I think a scroll ball would be way cooler |
| 02:50.51 | TheDiff | but then it would just be like a little track ball |
| 02:50.56 | TheDiff | and we all know how impossible those are to use |
| 02:51.14 | findlay | the tilt thing is retarded. you might as well not have a wheel at all, but a stick that tilts 4 ways |
| 02:51.29 | TheDiff | no, they should have 2 scroll wheels |
| 02:51.33 | TheDiff | next to each other |
| 02:51.42 | findlay | TheDiff: no a track ball moves the cursor. A scroll ball scrolls the active window |
| 02:51.43 | TheDiff | and then one scrolls X, the other scrolls Y |
| 02:51.54 | TheDiff | still, balls are silly |
| 02:51.55 | findlay | no way that would be awful |
| 02:52.04 | TheDiff | dude, it would be so hot |
| 02:52.24 | TheDiff | then you could scroll X and Y by using your index & middle fingers |
| 02:52.25 | findlay | a scroll ball is the natural extension of the concept |
| 02:52.34 | findlay | I don't know where they got this tilting idea from |
| 02:52.39 | TheDiff | microsoft |
| 02:52.44 | TheDiff | theys dumb |
| 02:52.54 | TheDiff | but the mac mighty mouse has a "scroll ball" |
| 02:53.09 | TheDiff | except it doesnt actually move, its liek a touch sensor |
| 02:53.10 | findlay | really, you mean not a track ball? |
| 02:53.23 | findlay | oh, oh well |
| 02:53.47 | TheDiff | http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/ |
| 02:53.48 | brac | [Apple - Mighty Mouse] |
| 02:54.07 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 02:54.12 | xbmodder_lappy | thats so wrong |
| 02:54.24 | findlay | that's way too tiny |
| 02:55.19 | TheDiff | haah |
| 02:55.20 | findlay | and it still has the clickers on the bottom |
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| 02:56.04 | TheDiff | i just broke down and bought the dell 2405fpw |
| 02:56.23 | findlay | nevermind, I guess it's like a tap on a touch pad |
| 02:57.08 | findlay | that's like what HP did when they put squishy buttons on their venerable calculator not to mention all the other dumbifications |
| 03:02.17 | TheDiff | is there another utility besides unzip on linux to unzip a .zip file |
| 03:02.33 | TheDiff | because..... apparently my server doesnt have it, and this emerge sync is taking effing forever |
| 03:02.38 | findlay | why? what's wrong with unzip |
| 03:02.56 | TheDiff | that, and it wont let me emerge stuff because I havent updated my system profile in awhile |
| 03:04.38 | findlay | http://mirror.etf.bg.ac.yu/gentoo/distfiles/zip231.tar.gz |
| 03:04.52 | findlay | just compile the source, it'll take a matter of seconds |
| 03:11.36 | TheDiff | haha |
| 03:11.37 | TheDiff | hmm |
| 03:16.20 | TheDiff | hold on, effing portage cache |
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| 03:20.06 | TheDiff | my poor server |
| 03:25.49 | findlay | sjansen would be proud of me. I've hitherto refrained from `` in favor of $() in the shell |
| 03:36.43 | mindjuju | quick question, i'm not real knowledgeable on RAID and have been doing some research as I need to set a RAID up. Is RAID 1 + 0 possible with only 2 SCSIs or does it require 3? I read a website that mentioned it needed 3, but not all websites say that |
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| 03:56.34 | TheDiff | shit, my gentoo profile is so old |
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| 04:06.37 | xbmodder_lappy | TheDiff, language! |
| 04:11.02 | mrpull | mindjuju: i'm not aware of any 1+0 configs with fewer than 4 drives |
| 04:12.11 | mindjuju | yeah, it really seemed that way, but in the RAID setup on the HP DL360, it wouldn't let me choose RAID 5, it only gave me choice for RAID 0 or RAID 1+0 |
| 04:12.59 | mindjuju | so i picked RAID 1+0, read some where though that some companies don't adhere to the typical definitions of RAID |
| 04:13.15 | mindjuju | so it may just be HP's interp of what RAID 1+0 is? |
| 04:13.59 | mrpull | did you use the bios style raid configuration tool or HP's raid ACU? |
| 04:14.31 | mindjuju | BIOS cause I read somewhere that was the best way |
| 04:14.41 | mindjuju | then if i needed to, i could use the smartstart CD |
| 04:14.52 | mrpull | the smartstart CD's can be nice. |
| 04:15.14 | mindjuju | yeah, it's copying all files for me for server installation |
| 04:15.24 | mrpull | did you get a single logical drive with 100% of the capacity of the two drives or half of the capacity? |
| 04:15.42 | mindjuju | 100% capacity |
| 04:15.51 | mrpull | sounds like raid 0 then |
| 04:16.03 | mrpull | and i would never use raid 0 on a server |
| 04:16.03 | TheDiff | xbmodder_lappy: what language? german? |
| 04:16.08 | TheDiff | farsi? |
| 04:16.09 | mindjuju | really? I thought RAID 0 would have been 200% |
| 04:16.27 | mindjuju | one hdd + one hdd (both hdd are same size) |
| 04:16.33 | mrpull | when I say 100%, i mean the total capacity of both drives |
| 04:16.54 | mindjuju | oh, in that case no, it just was the size of one drive |
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| 04:17.17 | mrpull | in that case i'd say you got RAID 1, which is the best you can do with two disks |
| 04:17.37 | mrpull | (if redundancy is more desirable than speed) |
| 04:17.59 | mindjuju | yeah, that's as many as I can put in the dl360. wondering now if I should have pushed for the dl380? though i don't know if i could have done it on the cost |
| 04:18.18 | TheDiff | lulu! |
| 04:18.22 | mrpull | the dl380 is a nice balance of features and cost |
| 04:18.46 | mrpull | the 360 does make a nice middle-tier server of a really nice webhead |
| 04:19.42 | mindjuju | it's funny you say that cause I do have a dl380 currently serving as webserver and was bring this up as database server, but during the install, started to think i should make this the webserver and convert the dl380 to the database server |
| 04:20.01 | mindjuju | don't remember which RAID it is, but it seemed like there was a real nice one for Databases |
| 04:20.05 | mindjuju | think it was RAID 5 |
| 04:20.43 | mrpull | mindjuju: if you are serious about RAID, you should stop for a minute and read up... all of them have checks and balances |
| 04:20.59 | mrpull | raid5 isn't the best for databases because it can suffer in perfomance |
| 04:21.29 | mrpull | raid 10 is my choice for DB's when I can tolerate 1/2 of the capacity going to redundancy |
| 04:21.42 | mindjuju | yeah, my bad, your right, RAID 10 |
| 04:21.43 | mindjuju | http://www.acnc.com/04_01_10.html |
| 04:22.01 | mrpull | since the 380s have 6 drive bays (and usually a nice raid controller) they make a better DB box than the 360 |
| 04:22.02 | mindjuju | i studied this a long time ago, then went into programming and it all leaked out my left ear... |
| 04:22.04 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 04:22.39 | mindjuju | yeah, when I read on that about RAID 10, got to thinking about the switch |
| 04:23.00 | mindjuju | i think i am, and that server does have all 6 SCSIs in so.... |
| 04:23.27 | mrpull | those disks can cost as much as the whole server :) |
| 04:23.34 | mrpull | how big are the disks? |
| 04:23.45 | mindjuju | yeah, 72g |
| 04:24.12 | mrpull | the 360GB drives are super expensive, but nice to have |
| 04:24.51 | mindjuju | that would be nice, 360s. The 72s will give me time to grow and then maybe we can warrant an upgrade to 360s |
| 04:25.11 | mrpull | mindjuju: are you using LVM? |
| 04:25.58 | mindjuju | on the current server, nope |
| 04:27.00 | mindjuju | do you recommend it? |
| 04:27.05 | mrpull | it is worthwhile to learn |
| 04:27.52 | mindjuju | reading just a quick blurb on it at wikipedia. i'll need to get a book for this. |
| 04:28.38 | mrpull | mindjuju: what are you hosting? |
| 04:28.59 | mindjuju | company website and a couple of subsidiary sites |
| 04:29.34 | mindjuju | these SCSIs have a high RPM capability! It's starting to install the OS and it sounds like a jet has just fired up |
| 04:30.21 | mrpull | some of those servers can be heard a mile away. i wouldn't want them under my desk. |
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| 06:04.01 | mheath | mindjuju: we have some HP desktop machines at our school |
| 06:04.16 | mheath | You do anything intensive on the computer, and: |
| 06:04.21 | mheath | 1) things slow down to a crawl |
| 06:04.43 | mheath | 2) The fans slowly fire up, roughly replicating the sound of an F16 |
| 06:04.52 | mheath | 3) The computer resumes a speed somewhat near the original |
| 06:05.53 | findlay | mahler is not for listening in a loud car driving on concrete |
| 06:09.07 | findlay | anybody here want about 700 jewel cases? |
| 06:09.29 | findlay | why are they called jewel cases? |
| 06:10.11 | maquis | findlay: because they allow the RIAA to charge even more for them? |
| 06:10.11 | findlay | ~jewel case |
| 06:11.16 | TheDiff | findlay: just stack them really high and hit them with your car |
| 06:11.20 | findlay | ibot: jewel cases are made out of select imitation precious stone so that the RIAA can extort a lot |
| 06:11.22 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 06:11.24 | TheDiff | its actually really entertaining |
| 06:11.43 | findlay | 700 would be about 10 feet |
| 06:12.11 | findlay | I've done about 80 so far |
| 06:12.39 | findlay | ibot: what are jewel cases? |
| 06:12.41 | ibot | findlay: what are you talking about? |
| 06:12.50 | findlay | ibot: you're too pedantic |
| 06:13.19 | findlay | ~jewel cases |
| 06:13.20 | ibot | jewel cases are made out of select imitation precious stone so that the RIAA can extort a lot |
| 06:17.39 | findlay | well whatever they are, they take up way too much space |
| 06:18.05 | TheDiff | findlay: you should mail them to the RIAA |
| 06:18.14 | TheDiff | package them and then put RETURN TO SENDER |
| 06:18.21 | TheDiff | with their return address |
| 06:32.01 | mheath | Good night, everyone |
| 06:32.13 | mheath | I have to get up at 4:30. Thats only 5 hours away :( |
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| 12:12.45 | mheath | Meh, off to play sailor for the day. |
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| 18:27.18 | scott_ | RyanE: do you use unison in windows? |
| 18:34.54 | scott_ | I can't find any unison version that has ssh compiled into it |
| 18:36.10 | elg | i imagine it could be made to work with putty pretty straightforwardly |
| 18:36.26 | elg | putty has good key auth stuff |
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| 19:20.46 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here know about bose's warranty? |
| 19:23.03 | xbmodder_lappy | Why does bose's site warranty have an excerpt from the GPL? |
| 19:24.26 | findlay | or a dandylion |
| 19:24.59 | xbmodder_lappy | My remote control is dead... |
| 19:24.59 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
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| 19:33.12 | elg | odd. NetworkManager had no trouble with my bcm43xx card, but wpa-supplicant has issues |
| 19:33.44 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: that's interesting that they pretty much quote the gpl... |
| 19:34.03 | findlay | url? |
| 19:34.15 | maquis | findlay: http://bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/customer_service/owners/warranty/index.jsp&words=Warranty |
| 19:34.27 | maquis | the first part that's in all caps |
| 19:35.21 | findlay | a lot of legal disclaimers have language like that |
| 19:35.31 | findlay | I doubt it has anything to do with the GPL |
| 19:35.46 | maquis | still... |
| 19:38.18 | findlay | seriously. The only reason you think of the GPL is because that's the only license you're familliar with |
| 19:38.57 | findlay | next time you are confronted with an EULA, rather than just clicking on I agree, try to find where they "quote the GPL" |
| 19:39.29 | findlay | (: |
| 19:46.25 | xbmodder_lappy | I wonder why brac didn't catch that URL. |
| 19:46.34 | xbmodder_lappy | http://google.com |
| 19:46.35 | brac | [Google] |
| 19:46.39 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm.. |
| 19:46.41 | findlay | brac's pretty spotty |
| 19:46.54 | findlay | probably choked on all that java |
| 19:47.17 | findlay | brac: do you like java? Or do you not drink coffee? |
| 19:47.18 | brac | no idea |
| 19:47.29 | findlay | see, he doesn't even know |
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| 21:39.43 | sjansen | ~lart emcnabb |
| 21:50.26 | xbmodder_lappy | The island contains too much product placement... |
| 21:51.33 | TheDiff | has anyone done stuff with databases using tags? |
| 21:51.57 | TheDiff | or know which kind of database schemas are utilized when using tags |
| 21:54.03 | sjansen | probably something simple: table tags ( tag varchar unique, tagged_data foreign_key ) |
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| 22:05.05 | goozbach | sjansen: what you doing at the office? |
| 22:05.18 | goozbach | don't you know you don't have to work on the weekends? |
| 22:13.01 | xbmodder_lappy | hey, how was being a sailor for a da?y |
| 22:13.15 | xbmodder_lappy | s/?y/y?/ |
| 22:15.47 | mheath | Wow. You took that far too literally. |
| 22:16.10 | xbmodder_lappy | Well, I assumed it was some sort of job shadow. |
| 22:16.57 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: I train with the US Naval Reserve at Fort Douglas, Utah. |
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| 23:03.27 | maquis | -lart SpecialZ |
| 23:16.43 | tene | what's the cleanest way to get plaintext out of an html document? |
| 23:19.15 | tene | s/the cleanest/a simple/ |
| 23:19.27 | bigdog_ut | strip the html tags |
| 23:20.12 | tene | have a handy regex for that? |
| 23:20.18 | bigdog_ut | you can use php for it |
| 23:20.24 | bigdog_ut | it has a function that will do it |
| 23:20.28 | bigdog_ut | strip_html |
| 23:20.50 | tene | looks like link has a -dump option... |
| 23:20.57 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:21.06 | bigdog_ut | or there is html2txt i think |
| 23:22.02 | bigdog_ut | or open office could do it too |
| 23:22.53 | tene | I'm going to be converting quite a few, multiple times... |
| 23:23.39 | bigdog_ut | get html2text and that will work good for ya |
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| 23:25.53 | bigdog_ut | there is also some apps under html-xml-utils that will do it too |
| 23:26.01 | bigdog_ut | like htmlprune |
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| 23:53.21 | tene | convenient way to extract a particular div from an html document? |
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| 23:56.43 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:57.00 | bigdog_ut | htmlprune can do it |
| 23:57.11 | bigdog_ut | if it has a class value on it |
| 23:57.39 | tene | it does |