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| 00:29.10 | elg | there you have it, my one and only midterm is over |
| 00:41.13 | maquis | ~lart elg |
| 00:46.11 | goozbach | what is this? |
| 00:46.13 | goozbach | 16:56 <@OldleBot> goozbach encounters numist and bows humbly. |
| 00:46.30 | goozbach | I want to hit someone |
| 00:46.32 | maquis | goozbach: you're still playing idlerpg? |
| 00:46.41 | maquis | how are you doing in it? |
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| 00:46.49 | goozbach | level 58 |
| 00:47.14 | goozbach | er 57 |
| 00:47.16 | goozbach | dang |
| 00:47.26 | xbmodder_lappy | How hard is it to implement LDAP? |
| 00:47.41 | goozbach | define implemnt |
| 00:47.44 | maquis | xbmodder_lappy: why would you want to? |
| 00:47.53 | goozbach | simple auth? |
| 00:48.03 | xbmodder_lappy | maquis, total system authentication |
| 00:48.04 | goozbach | full AD domain controller |
| 00:48.08 | goozbach | ? |
| 00:48.20 | goozbach | replication/failover? |
| 00:49.16 | maquis | ~cal |
| 00:49.18 | ibot | from memory, cal is a calendar. try $(cal 1752) |
| 00:53.45 | xbmodder_lappy | goozbach, full domain controller |
| 00:53.57 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: have fun |
| 00:54.09 | goozbach | of course I'll be doing that in a couple weeks |
| 00:54.26 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 01:51.07 | elg | ooh, fast user switching in gnome 2.14. if that works well my wife and I will get along somewhat better with the computer :) |
| 01:51.33 | goozbach | elg: I've been doing that for a while |
| 01:51.43 | goozbach | multiple X servers |
| 01:51.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Not to bash on gnome, but they've been playing catch up with KDE for a while |
| 01:52.20 | elg | well, yeah, but she complains about having to remember ctrl-alt-whatever |
| 01:52.30 | ScytheBlade1 | For what? |
| 01:52.51 | elg | i wonder what the memory usage in that is... is it two x servers or how exactly does that work. anyone know? |
| 01:52.51 | goozbach | elg: I make a link on the desktop which runs chvt whatever |
| 01:52.56 | elg | (the new gnome feature) |
| 01:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Gnome version, no clue |
| 01:53.18 | elg | I'm thinking I don't have the ram to be running two desktops, and that may apply to the gnome feature too... |
| 01:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Answer is "probably" or #gnome would actually be your best bet ;) |
| 01:54.26 | elg | no hurry. it'll be a while before it trickles down to testing |
| 01:55.05 | elg | "Applications that are aware of GNOME Screensaver will be able to communicate with it to set properties like "do not blank screen" over a standard interface. " |
| 01:55.12 | elg | what about applications that were aware of xscreensaver? |
| 01:55.21 | elg | i don't give a rats tail about kde |
| 01:55.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Just saying :) |
| 01:56.14 | elg | i can't stand the kde l&f, none of them. so I don't run it |
| 01:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | l&f? |
| 01:56.50 | elg | look and feel |
| 01:57.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, you're a "gnome usability" guy |
| 01:57.28 | elg | nope |
| 01:57.43 | elg | I can't stand gnome "usability" either. but a little less than kde l&f |
| 01:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Curious: what specifically about KDE do you dislike? |
| 01:58.59 | elg | everything from the cursors to the button styles to the icons to the default backgrounds. i know you can change all that, but the gnome l&f is nice enough by default (read: doesn't rub me the wrong way) |
| 01:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, fair enough |
| 02:00.34 | elg | and then there's arts ;-) |
| 02:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:01.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Which I disable, quickly, and fast |
| 02:01.06 | ScytheBlade1 | actually I lied |
| 02:01.18 | maquis | quickly *and* fast? |
| 02:01.24 | elg | but gnome isn't innocent either, with esd. gstreamer's kind of cool but not quite as skip-free as going straight to alsa/oss |
| 02:01.39 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, yes ;) |
| 02:01.44 | elg | maquis: once you've had some practice disabling it, you can do it quickly |
| 02:01.47 | elg | and you do it fast, as in right away |
| 02:01.56 | ScytheBlade1 | killall -9 artsd; kcontrol |
| 02:02.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I just set KDE to use ALSA (I have a card that supports hardware sound mixing) |
| 02:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Problem solved |
| 02:02.31 | maquis | evilwm doesn't *care* what sound system i use |
| 02:02.43 | elg | ScytheBlade1: I have one of those too. I love it. |
| 02:02.49 | ScytheBlade1 | They're so useful |
| 02:02.52 | ScytheBlade1 | In so many ways |
| 02:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish flash would get out of the year 2000 |
| 02:02.59 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's about it |
| 02:04.41 | elg | -roulette |
| 02:04.42 | brac | elg: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 02:05.09 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, after reading the "reasons to use evilwm" list on the evilwm home page |
| 02:05.11 | maquis | -roulette |
| 02:05.11 | brac | maquis: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 02:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Aside from hard disk space, for me, KDE fits all of those |
| 02:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | -roulette |
| 02:05.24 | brac | ScytheBlade1: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 02:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/ |
| 02:05.51 | elg | ScytheBlade1: the ironic thing is of course that I like qt |
| 02:05.56 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:05.58 | ScytheBlade1 | That is rather ironic |
| 02:06.13 | ScytheBlade1 | "I like QT... just hate KDE, and run gnome" |
| 02:06.17 | elg | and some of the apps I use mean I have the core of kde anyway. (e.g. rosegarden) |
| 02:06.31 | elg | to be fair, I run gnome with openbox as the wm |
| 02:06.36 | elg | so I don't really "run gnome" |
| 02:06.37 | elg | not per se |
| 02:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 02:06.47 | elg | and I use xterm, gvim, etc. |
| 02:06.49 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: you mean the features list? |
| 02:06.55 | elg | so basically i run gnome-panel and nautilus |
| 02:06.59 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, yeah |
| 02:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I should place emphasis on the keyboard support |
| 02:07.16 | maquis | kde gives you no window decorations? |
| 02:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I go hours on end without touching the mouse |
| 02:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It's certaintly possible |
| 02:07.48 | maquis | but you have to go figure out how :) |
| 02:07.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Not really |
| 02:07.58 | maquis | and you have to figure out how to get rid of icons and all that |
| 02:08.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You drag a slider to 0 and select a different theme |
| 02:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Right-click background, configure desktop, it's under "icons" :) |
| 02:08.23 | maquis | and you've still got the 30-second startup time |
| 02:08.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Only if you're running KDE 3.3 on a 400MHz |
| 02:08.42 | elg | maquis: that's a feature. you use it to make herbal tea |
| 02:08.47 | maquis | (at least, that's about how long it seems to run on the cs dept machines |
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| 02:09.00 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: how long does it take kde to start on your machine? |
| 02:09.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Honestly, with every successive version, it only loads faster |
| 02:09.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ~5 seconds |
| 02:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Tops |
| 02:09.20 | maquis | evilwm takes < 1 second |
| 02:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | If you really care for 4 seconds... ;) |
| 02:09.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Over time, sure |
| 02:09.41 | elg | oh yeah, well twm takes -1 seconds |
| 02:09.43 | maquis | memory usage is low |
| 02:09.43 | ScytheBlade1 | But it's not like the user logs in and out every minute or so |
| 02:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Again, it gets faster every release |
| 02:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And more memory consious |
| 02:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't try and say it uses less RAM than evilwm, xfce4, etc |
| 02:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | But... bang for the MB of RAM? ;) |
| 02:10.27 | maquis | 26K executable :) |
| 02:10.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Got me there, haha |
| 02:10.43 | elg | probably coded in assembly |
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| 02:10.49 | elg | like amcnabb |
| 02:10.50 | maquis | i don't see the point of the rest of that bang |
| 02:10.53 | maquis | elg: nope... C |
| 02:11.05 | amcnabb | ? |
| 02:11.08 | ScytheBlade1 | maquis, it's the little things |
| 02:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Like mapping keyboard shortcuts to DCOP calls, shell scripts |
| 02:11.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Like their HAL device support (letting me plug in and use a USB drive without it being in the fstab, or a CD) |
| 02:11.58 | maquis | amcnabb: discussing evilwm vs KDE... feel free to join in |
| 02:12.01 | ScytheBlade1 | And amazingly configurable window manager |
| 02:12.22 | amcnabb | Do whatever works for you. |
| 02:12.27 | amcnabb | That's what's nice about Linux. |
| 02:12.31 | maquis | amcnabb: you're boring :) |
| 02:12.34 | amcnabb | I don't really care what anybody else runs. |
| 02:12.44 | ScytheBlade1 | On a per-window basis, per-app, whatever, I can tell it to lock to one desktop, at a resolution that I want, and enable the fancy composite stuff also on a per-window basis |
| 02:12.53 | elg | DCOP, that's another thing. a name like DCOP has to be hiding something evil |
| 02:12.57 | elg | like CORBA |
| 02:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Points to elg ;) |
| 02:13.35 | maquis | ScytheBlade1: i just don't see myself actually using a lot of those things... and the ones i would use, i just don't see why they need to be built into a window manager :) |
| 02:13.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Like? |
| 02:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, heh |
| 02:14.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Moment as I grab this link |
| 02:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/24 <-- covers my feelings on the topic *very* well |
| 02:16.45 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not a "window manager", it's a complete "desktop enviroment" |
| 02:16.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The HAL support isn't integrated into the window manager ;) |
| 02:17.47 | elg | just for kicks I think I'll try kde on my laptop next week during spring break while I work on getting wpa_supplicant to work. |
| 02:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I've actually just drawn a very scary parallel with KDE |
| 02:18.25 | ScytheBlade1 | In all honesty, KDE helps my computer and I 'just work'... almost like OSX |
| 02:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Pop in a CD, it can mount it and do all the work I need it to, in a manner that I also control |
| 02:18.32 | elg | how is that scary? work is scary? |
| 02:18.53 | ScytheBlade1 | No, but having to manually mount CDs suck, especially as a normal user |
| 02:19.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Or in the case of USB drives that don't have the needed fstab entries |
| 02:19.30 | elg | ya |
| 02:19.42 | elg | especially when you're the telephone tech support for normal users. :) |
| 02:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol it's true |
| 02:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | In that aspect, it 'just works' |
| 02:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is *really nice* |
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| 03:40.12 | findlay | elg: kde is very impressive, but I'm sure gnome-2.14 will be to, and vista's wm, whatever they call it |
| 03:40.50 | findlay | the coolest thing I've noticed about kde is kpdf which is so much a better program than acroread |
| 03:41.47 | elg | better than acroread on windows, or just acroread on linux? |
| 03:42.09 | findlay | and it doesn't take so long to load that you take the time to judge whether you have enough time actuated versus any use you would get out of the document |
| 03:42.25 | findlay | better than any acroread I've seen |
| 03:42.45 | findlay | does everything it does and more |
| 03:45.14 | elg | in assembly, is it customary to push registers you want saved to the stack before calling a subroutine, or to push registers you clobber (and restore) at the beginning of a subroutine? |
| 04:02.20 | amcnabb | elg, it depends on the platform |
| 04:02.59 | amcnabb | From what I remember from CS 324, on Intel, it depends on which registers. |
| 04:03.33 | amcnabb | You expect eax and one other register to get overwritten when you call a subroutine, and the others are expected to be preserved. |
| 04:14.49 | elg | this is a simple dsp processor. I've got 8 registers, two of which I can't use, and two accumulators and two/four alu registers |
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| 04:34.06 | tene | anyone want some old-ish hardware? |
| 04:35.21 | tene | optical drives, some cases, some PIIIs and motherboards... |
| 04:35.37 | tene | old monitor |
| 04:36.44 | tene | some power supplies... |
| 04:37.01 | tene | you can just come pick it up |
| 04:38.19 | tene | ps/2 mice |
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| 04:57.35 | findlay | hello |
| 04:57.38 | findlay | ibot: hi |
| 04:58.09 | ibot | hello, findlay |
| 04:58.29 | tene | findlay: want some old-ish hardware? |
| 04:58.33 | findlay | maquis: you should have gone to the Alan Kay lecture. That would have changed your ideas about graphical computer interfaces |
| 04:58.38 | findlay | tene: got some? |
| 05:00.25 | tene | sure do |
| 05:00.34 | tene | power supplies, motherboards... |
| 05:00.39 | tene | cases |
| 05:00.45 | tene | some PIII and celeron processors and motherboards |
| 05:01.02 | RyanE | tene: how fast a PIII? |
| 05:01.09 | findlay | don't really need any |
| 05:01.30 | RyanE | I might want a faster firewall... |
| 05:01.32 | tene | RyanE: this one's a 533... |
| 05:01.49 | RyanE | includes RAM? |
| 05:01.58 | tene | nope |
| 05:02.19 | RyanE | location? |
| 05:02.34 | tene | Taylorsville |
| 05:03.01 | RyanE | well, if you don't find another closer taker, I may be interested. |
| 05:03.03 | tene | some optical drives... |
| 05:03.21 | maquis | findlay: really? |
| 05:03.49 | tene | small HDs. |
| 05:04.00 | maquis | my opinion is that they're great for people who like to use them and who undersand them, and think in their way... |
| 05:04.26 | RyanE | if I take it, I'll boot off the same CF I currently use. |
| 05:04.42 | findlay | OK, this is why the GNOME file selector is teh suX0r. Open a pdf URL in firefox. Open with other... brings up a the file selector. Double click Filesystem (whatever that means) double click bin, oops, usr then bin. Hunt for xpdf. |
| 05:05.10 | findlay | how does that make things easier, huh? HUH!?!! |
| 05:05.17 | maquis | findlay: it's not in /usr/X11R6/bin ? |
| 05:05.54 | findlay | maquis: see, and what if it were. You'd have to hunt through the filesystem to find it |
| 05:06.10 | findlay | the easiest thing to do would be to open a terminal and 'which xpdf' |
| 05:06.13 | maquis | findlay: no... i know that xpdf belongs in /usr/X11R6/bin :) |
| 05:06.38 | findlay | maquis: what if you have X11R7? (: |
| 05:06.39 | maquis | my computer is quite consistent in where it sticks programs |
| 05:06.50 | maquis | findlay: then it'd be in /usr/X11R7/bin :) |
| 05:07.35 | findlay | even after your terminal hack, there's no text box in the file selector to paste it into. You still have to painstakingly click through unwieldy wigets |
| 05:08.08 | findlay | that's the kind of retardation that I got away from on windows |
| 05:08.26 | maquis | ok... i admit that the stupid clicking through is annoying |
| 05:08.47 | maquis | that's not a gnome-specific thing, though... i've got that on my system with firefox too... and it bugs me to no end |
| 05:09.09 | maquis | especially since it takes a while for it to load the list of files in each directory |
| 05:09.22 | findlay | maquis: my /usr/X11R6 is a symlink to /usr |
| 05:09.23 | maquis | which falls into my list of reasons why i don't think like GUIs |
| 05:09.30 | maquis | findlay: not mine... |
| 05:09.54 | findlay | and I like it that way. It simplifies things |
| 05:11.09 | maquis | i like the fact that i know exactly where everything gets installed to |
| 05:11.14 | maquis | once it finally *gets* installed |
| 05:11.30 | findlay | maquis: what do you mean? Did you not know on other distros? |
| 05:11.47 | maquis | findlay: i didn't understand it fully before |
| 05:12.05 | findlay | ports is pretty intuitive |
| 05:12.06 | maquis | but i finally had someone explain to me the difference between /usr/local/bin, /usr/X11R6/bin and /usr/bin |
| 05:12.26 | maquis | and now i can tell for any package, where it's supposed to be :) |
| 05:12.44 | SpecialZ | really? what's the difference? |
| 05:13.30 | maquis | /usr/bin is for system stuff... anything that's built into the system |
| 05:13.31 | findlay | well if Linux and friends are a bazaar, then BSD is an ivory tower, and it doesn't surprise me that they would be so painstaking about it |
| 05:13.48 | maquis | /usr/X11R6/bin is for things that are X-based |
| 05:13.55 | maquis | /usr/local/bin is for everything else :) |
| 05:14.19 | findlay | for FreeBSD |
| 05:14.53 | maquis | and unix |
| 05:15.25 | findlay | well, there's much less difference between BSD and UNIX than Linux and UNIX |
| 05:15.30 | SpecialZ | Ivory towers aren't exactly evironmentally friendly |
| 05:15.35 | SpecialZ | Save the poor elephants |
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| 05:18.19 | findlay | maquis: you don't like GUIs because they basically haven't changed in 20 years |
| 05:18.36 | maquis | findlay: that's possibly the reason |
| 05:18.41 | findlay | maybe longer, but I don't have experience before that |
| 05:19.43 | maquis | it just seems that a lot of times, it's quicker and easier to just type in what i want to have happen, rather than waiting for a gui to start up, and then dealing with buttons and such :) |
| 05:20.03 | findlay | maquis: Alan Kay talked about how nothing new has been done in computer science since the 1970s |
| 05:20.19 | findlay | how computer science is not really a science proper |
| 05:20.24 | findlay | and he's right |
| 05:20.37 | findlay | isn't, but that doesn't mean that it can't be |
| 05:20.41 | maquis | i did see a rather... interesting... gui on the virtual chem lab thingamajigger for chem class... and it was the most hideously painful gui i've ever seen :) |
| 05:21.17 | findlay | maquis: but you're so enamored of the XGL stuff or whatever (: |
| 05:21.32 | maquis | findlay: i do want floppy windows... they're cool! |
| 05:21.41 | maquis | and transparency looks pretty sweet too :) |
| 05:21.49 | findlay | but how does that justify GUIs? |
| 05:22.03 | maquis | it's something to show off to people :) |
| 05:22.04 | findlay | that's the question I'm trying to answer |
| 05:22.11 | SpecialZ | I like my GUIs small, self explanatory, and out of my way |
| 05:22.16 | maquis | justify in what way? |
| 05:22.18 | SpecialZ | oh and fast |
| 05:23.02 | maquis | i don't think XGL justifies GUIs |
| 05:23.07 | findlay | if we have these very high resolution displays that can do millions of colors, is putting up rectangles filled with text the best we can do? |
| 05:23.19 | maquis | doubtful |
| 05:23.44 | maquis | i think we desperately need something better, but i haven't the slightest idea what that something will be |
| 05:24.47 | findlay | I think you have to destroy all your preconceptions about "computing" before you can start to make any progress on something truly different |
| 05:26.04 | maquis | true |
| 05:28.31 | findlay | technology ought to do so much more than emulate the technology it antiquates. It should be used to it's full utility |
| 05:29.33 | findlay | Alan Kay, btw, was the guy who invented the overlapping rectangles of text (: |
| 05:29.49 | maquis | overlapping rectangles of text? |
| 05:30.55 | findlay | yeah, like windows |
| 05:31.03 | maquis | ah... |
| 05:31.04 | maquis | :) |
| 05:32.03 | findlay | why are they called windows? That's dumb. From now on I'm calling windows rectangular box interfaces |
| 05:32.37 | flyboy^ | findlay why are they called windows? < because they are full of pains. har har har |
| 05:33.37 | flyboy^ | What? No 'that was a knee slapper' comments? |
| 05:34.04 | maquis | ~trout flyboy^ |
| 05:34.07 | ibot | ACTION slaps flyboy^ around a bit with a large trout! |
| 05:34.29 | flyboy^ | Ooo, the large trout. Even better. ;) |
| 05:34.29 | findlay | ~do slap knee |
| 05:34.31 | ibot | ACTION does slap knee. |
| 05:34.54 | findlay | ibot: what is that? Some kind of aboriginal dance? |
| 05:34.57 | ibot | findlay: I think you lost me on that one |
| 05:35.03 | findlay | ibot: whatever |
| 05:35.05 | ibot | it has been said that whatever is an expression of confusionambivalence, or something else |
| 05:37.01 | findlay | ~window |
| 05:37.10 | findlay | ~windows |
| 05:37.12 | ibot | it has been said that windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... or the World of Warcraft bootloader, or the most important collection of bugs |
| 05:43.16 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, it has to be a multiple of 2. |
| 05:43.19 | xbmodder_lappy | 2**997 |
| 05:43.58 | TheTiGuR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:46.30 | findlay | 997 is prime |
| 05:46.37 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 05:47.03 | findlay | I'll call the architecture Optimus Prime |
| 05:47.05 | findlay | ha |
| 05:47.30 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
| 05:48.16 | maquis | enter any 11-digit prime to continue |
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| 05:52.34 | findlay | looks like they fixed that random freeze thing between 2.6.16-rc5 and rc6 |
| 05:59.29 | levi | Gah, my computer was not fixed by the new CPU. |
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| 15:07.36 | elg | did I mention happy u2 week? |
| 15:07.38 | elg | ~u2 |
| 15:07.41 | ibot | it has been said that u2 is the Greatest Rock band on Earth! Look 'em up in Guinness Book o' records! :), or a Lockheed Spy Airplane used in Cold War : http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/u2.htm (some text) and http://www.milairpix.com/planes/tr1.htm (pictures) |
| 15:07.43 | brac | [Lockheed U-2 Dragon Lady] |
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| 15:32.27 | tensai | ~rlart |
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| 16:12.46 | goozbach | ~hit sjansen |
| 16:12.48 | ibot | ACTION punches sjansen. |
| 16:13.08 | sjansen | ~ridicule goozbach |
| 16:13.10 | ibot | ACTION drops goozbach in a tank of pink paint and herring |
| 16:15.38 | tensai | ok, which one of you yahoos has been calling me from Arkansas every morning? |
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| 16:25.28 | goozbach | ummm... *looks down at feet* |
| 16:25.51 | maquis | tensai: wouldn't that be y'all yahoos? |
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| 16:28.16 | goozbach | maquis: no, it should be all y'all yahoos |
| 16:28.26 | goozbach | y'all - singular |
| 16:28.34 | goozbach | all y'all - plural |
| 16:29.01 | goozbach | (and I KNOW cause I'm in Texas right now) |
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| 16:30.31 | *** topic/#utah by mse -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org. || Ha, Ha! You Ides didn't get me! |
| 16:38.14 | goozbach | ok so what are the names of the pair of "cleaners" from that james bond movie? |
| 16:38.32 | goozbach | you know the "mr soandso" and "mr whatshisface" |
| 16:38.40 | Hhhhh | "Hi, how do I become superuser in a linux box where I don't have the root password?" |
| 16:38.58 | goozbach | they only refer to each other by those names |
| 16:40.16 | goozbach | Hhhhh: the answer is: "Your IP has been recorded and your ISP has now been served a supoena to obtain your address so that we may send the police over for attempted hacking" |
| 16:40.30 | Hhhhh | lol |
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| 16:43.00 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:44.33 | sjansen | y'all is plural, all y'all is an abomination |
| 16:44.57 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, uphpu.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com, utaug.org. |
| 16:45.07 | dataw0lf | http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/creditcard/application.shtml |
| 16:45.54 | sjansen | Hhhhh: google "local root exploit" :-P |
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| 16:48.11 | goozbach | according to one of my students, sjansen is correct |
| 16:48.33 | goozbach | he says "all y'all is not the 'king's redneck'" |
| 16:52.46 | RyanE_ | The King's Redneck? Is that a court position, like Court Jester? |
| 16:54.06 | levi | sjansen: This is further proof that Texas is an abomination. |
| 16:56.20 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: hey man - don't mess with Texas |
| 16:57.08 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: where in Texas are you right now? |
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| 16:57.51 | Uncle_Jesse | oh, and in Texas tawk, it would be spelled, "yall" (no apostraphe) |
| 16:59.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I think I heard all yall in Virginia more than I did Texas |
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| 17:02.07 | sjansen | ~lart *mcnabb |
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| 17:17.46 | maquis | -lart ECS |
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| 17:31.11 | maquis | http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.03/play.html?pg=4 |
| 17:31.13 | brac | [Wired 14.03: PLAY] |
| 17:38.24 | goozbach | Uncle_Jesse: Austin |
| 17:38.34 | goozbach | Drat!!! |
| 17:39.34 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: good cliff diving/jumping and rock climbing there |
| 17:39.40 | Uncle_Jesse | I grew up in Houston though |
| 17:40.48 | goozbach | I just realized that I didn't let my friend that lives down here know I was here |
| 17:47.11 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know of a good dictionary service or dictionary file that has a list of plurals and singulars for each word in the dictionary? |
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| 17:58.36 | Jayce^ | http://www.break.com/index/bb7028.html |
| 17:58.37 | brac | [Great Gaming Set up] |
| 18:03.05 | tensai | woohoo! I just hacked into one of our sql servers. |
| 18:05.56 | mse | gee, I'm pretty sure the correct spelling is ya'll. |
| 18:06.27 | mse | I saw it that way all over Mississippi and Louisiana. |
| 18:06.56 | mse | Everyone knows Texans aren't real southerners |
| 18:08.02 | levi | Only if the people who spell it have no idea that apostrophes are supposed to represent missing letters. |
| 18:09.08 | goozbach | http://www.break.com/index/rubegold6.html |
| 18:09.09 | brac | [Dorm Room Rube Goldberg] |
| 18:31.50 | Hhhhh | sjansen, I was kidding |
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| 18:48.13 | findlay | stupid slashdot |
| 18:48.25 | findlay | made me waste so much time |
| 18:48.31 | nick125 | lol |
| 18:48.55 | nick125 | wewt..almost have 10,000 concurrent connections! |
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| 19:00.13 | tensai | I should make up some anniversary coins... |
| 19:02.46 | lars-ut | -urls 10 |
| 19:02.46 | brac | [2006/03/16 11:09:09] <goozbach> http://www.break.com/index/rubegold6.html |
| 19:02.46 | brac | [2006/03/16 10:58:37] <Jayce^> http://www.break.com/index/bb7028.html |
| 19:02.46 | brac | [2006/03/16 10:31:12] <maquis> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.03/play.html?pg=4 |
| 19:02.47 | brac | [2006/03/16 09:45:07] <dataw0lf> http://www.cockeyed.com/citizen/creditcard/application.shtml |
| 19:02.50 | brac | [2006/03/16 08:07:42] <ibot> http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/u2.htm |
| 19:02.50 | brac | [2006/03/15 19:15:18] <ScytheBlade1> http://kdemyths.urbanlizard.com/myth/24 |
| 19:02.50 | brac | [2006/03/15 19:05:46] <ScytheBlade1> http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/ |
| 19:02.51 | brac | [2006/03/15 15:43:46] <sjansen> http://www.lifehacker.com/software/business/fight-the-corporate-bull-with-bullfighter-160740.php |
| 19:02.54 | brac | [2006/03/15 13:39:01] <harleypig> https://www.cobolscript.com/ |
| 19:02.56 | brac | [2006/03/15 13:36:47] <harleypig> http://www.acucorp.com/ |
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| 19:50.59 | TheTiGuR | http://www.lifehacker.com/software/business/fight-the-corporate-bull-with-bullfighter-160740.php |
| 19:51.00 | brac | [Fight the Corporate Bull with Bullfighter - Lifehacker] |
| 19:51.12 | TheTiGuR | pardon that...stray right click |
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| 20:00.00 | sjansen | ~click TheTiGuR |
| 20:15.36 | TheTiGuR | ow |
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| 21:38.16 | levi | So, my 1.2Ghz Athlon Tbird has been replaced with a 64 bit Sempron 2800+ |
| 21:38.58 | graphyx | well that sounds like it could be faster. |
| 21:39.24 | levi | Indeed, it could be. |
| 21:39.45 | levi | It doesn't seem remarkably faster, though. |
| 21:40.01 | levi | Moore's law just isn't cutting it anymore. |
| 21:41.25 | graphyx | Well, the onboard cache counts for a lot more than intel would like us to believe. |
| 21:43.48 | levi | Yeah. I can always upgrade to an Athlon 64 with this motherboard. |
| 21:44.22 | graphyx | That is nice. |
| 21:44.30 | graphyx | But you are out the money for the sempron. |
| 21:44.56 | graphyx | But the cost of the processor later on - the return of selling the sempron might leave you ahead any way. |
| 21:45.12 | levi | Well, not necessarily. I could buy another similar mobo and use the sempron in my other box, which is also sorely in need of an upgrade. |
| 21:45.13 | graphyx | expecially if you aren't a (and you don't appear to be) a cutting edge guy. |
| 21:45.21 | graphyx | that is true. |
| 21:45.42 | levi | I don't really do anything that needs cutting-edge hardware, and I'd rather spend the money elsewhere. |
| 21:46.41 | levi | I might also just swap this whole mobo/cpu/ram combo into the other box and get a whole new high-end system later, depending on how the money and my needs progress. |
| 21:46.55 | graphyx | indeed |
| 21:48.37 | wps | byumug |
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| 22:21.02 | mheath | *sigh* |
| 22:21.12 | mheath | This is the first time this has happened to me like this |
| 22:21.35 | mheath | My other computer died, and the only copy of somthing I need *now* is on it. |
| 22:23.15 | QBFreak | ack |
| 22:23.38 | QBFreak | a USB/IDE adapter would be quite handy about now I suppose |
| 22:23.59 | mheath | QBFreak: I could move it to another computer |
| 22:24.02 | mheath | But that would take time |
| 22:24.20 | mheath | and I'd have to recompile the kernel on this computer with NTFS support |
| 22:24.39 | mheath | This is information that I need *now* to use *now* before I have to leave for work in an hour =\ |
| 22:24.48 | findlay | mheath: knoppix |
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| 22:25.21 | mheath | findlay: the hardware is dead |
| 22:25.39 | mheath | Its kinda OK. I have an older copy of the info I need |
| 22:25.48 | mheath | and I can probably get the rest. But, still.... |
| 22:26.22 | elg | this is silly, but does anyone have the well tempered clavier volume 2 sheet music? |
| 22:28.16 | QBFreak | mheath: can you slap it in another box as the primary master (boot it) long enough to get the data off? |
| 22:30.47 | goozbach | When Arnold says the line "I'll be back" in the first Terminator movie it is implied that is he going to ask Chuck Norris for help. |
| 22:32.59 | mheath | QBFreak: Its WINDOWS. It will die if I put it in another box with completely different hardware |
| 22:34.04 | findlay | elg: I do |
| 22:34.31 | elg | oooh, do you have a scanner? actually, if you don't what I need is not complicated. I just need to know the maximum polyphony of it |
| 22:34.41 | findlay | which one? |
| 22:35.01 | findlay | a5 is the max in wtc I think |
| 22:35.11 | elg | wtc 2 #24 prelude |
| 22:36.40 | findlay | the preludes by nature of the form are not officially classified by voice, but what do musicoligists know? |
| 22:36.47 | findlay | (: |
| 22:37.34 | findlay | Prelude 24, B Minor looks like it has two voices. The fugue is a3 |
| 22:41.06 | elg | what about that last chord? |
| 22:43.28 | findlay | here, judge for yourself: http://67.137.24.114/bwv893.pdf |
| 22:44.14 | findlay | elg: don't know how that affects things |
| 22:44.32 | emcnabb | I can't get to the file |
| 22:45.09 | elg | well I'm interested in the practical view of how many notes my synth has to play at once, not the musicologist's view |
| 22:45.26 | elg | so it's a simple matter of scanning for the maximum number of notes going on at any one time |
| 22:45.35 | elg | thanks for the pdf |
| 22:45.41 | findlay | that's easy, I guess |
| 22:46.29 | tensai | mheath: if you have another computer you could put it in, you can but Knoppix in that computer. |
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| 22:57.19 | levi | mheath: My hard drive with XP on it worked fine when transplanting it to a new box. |
| 22:57.51 | levi | mheath: It just had an awful video mode until it got around to re-loading the video card driver. |
| 23:01.48 | lars-ut | me just ran '# tar cvzf mailmanbackup.tgz /etc/cron.d/mailman /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf /etc/logrotate.d/mailman /etc/mailman/ /etc/rc.d/init.d/mailman /etc/smrsh/mailman /var/lib/mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/' & wonders if it will suffice for a mailman backup |
| 23:02.49 | lars-ut | based on results of 'rpm -ql mailman' |
| 23:03.17 | lars-ut | CentOS 4.2 box |
| 23:04.07 | lars-ut | It's likely overkill, but I was in a hurry |
| 23:04.18 | lars-ut | anyone? |
| 23:08.03 | levi | Mmm, the 3rd movement of Dvorak's Sonata in F Major is nice. |
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| 23:09.36 | findlay | Stockton and Malone made the Jazz |
| 23:13.39 | findlay | levi: piano sonata? |
| 23:13.48 | levi | findlay: Piano and violin |
| 23:14.52 | levi | findlay: This whole CD is Gil and Orli Shaham playing Dvorak music for piano and violin. |
| 23:16.00 | findlay | I heard Gil Shaham live once |
| 23:17.11 | levi | He's pretty good. :) |
| 23:17.40 | findlay | yeah |
| 23:32.19 | harleypig | Is there a way I can compile a kernel so that it's looking for it's modules in a specified subdirectory? |
| 23:32.34 | harleypig | as opposed to /lib/modules/<version>/ |
| 23:39.20 | tensai | harleypig: would a symlink not work? why do you need to do such a crazy thing? |
| 23:43.13 | harleypig | because I'm experimenting with various selections in the config but I want to make sure my working modules aren't molested. |
| 23:44.07 | harleypig | As it stands I've had to load from a livecd and fix my modules directory several times already. |
| 23:45.19 | tensai | you can give each kernel a unique name, e.g. 2.6.14.1-oink1 |
| 23:45.33 | tensai | I forget the details of how though |
| 23:45.51 | findlay | right at the top of the Makefile |
| 23:47.57 | findlay | hm, at least I thought there was a field for a custom string |
| 23:48.46 | tensai | I know there is one somewhere. I use make-kpkg which has an option for it. |
| 23:49.19 | harleypig | Yeah, I just looked, also did a make help, but not seeing anything to do that. |
| 23:52.42 | tensai | try env var APPEND_TO_VERSION |
| 23:53.52 | harleypig | tensai: thanks. I'll give that a shot |
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