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| 00:21.56 | Hhhhh | ~lart programmers who don't use OOP |
| 00:22.12 | Hhhhh | forever may they burn |
| 00:22.22 | Hhhhh | tired of function hopping |
| 00:22.28 | Hhhhh | when reading spaghetti code |
| 00:30.22 | findlay | ~lart oop |
| 00:31.36 | herlo | anyone in here familiar enough with php to help me with a compile problem using PEAR? |
| 00:31.54 | herlo | on solaris even...:-D |
| 00:32.31 | herlo | I am also in #uphpu asking a similar question |
| 00:35.06 | herlo | no takers ey? |
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| 01:00.48 | sersport | hi |
| 01:00.55 | sersport | I love NHL |
| 01:01.08 | sersport | I live in Moscow |
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| 01:17.54 | findlay | well, that was an interesting testimonial |
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| 01:34.06 | mheath | harleypig: around? |
| 01:35.44 | findlay | harleypig: flat? |
| 01:51.07 | jlp_work | harleypig: oblong? |
| 02:18.02 | maquis | wouldn't it be aflat and aoblong? |
| 02:19.43 | findlay | harleypig: amaquis? |
| 02:20.21 | maquis | my legs are sore... |
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| 03:38.05 | dpjones | quick question > I want to set up my son's PC at home here, so that he can have email. I have a domain, 'zugraum.com' setup and pointed at my linux box...(I am NOW on another box..running xppro).... |
| 03:39.20 | dpjones | is it possible to set up email on my home network.....such that my son can have email.....or would he need an ID with my ISP? |
| 03:42.35 | xbmodder_lappy | dpjones, you want to give your son an e-mail address @zugraum.com, corrent? |
| 03:43.52 | xbmodder_lappy | or do you mean something else? |
| 03:47.43 | dpjones | xbmodder_, y eah...I want to give him an address such as 'david@zugraum.com' |
| 03:48.19 | dpjones | since I can add him, and then his brothers as well to my linux system....by creating new users.....and thus email...but that's only on the linux box... |
| 03:48.46 | dpjones | I guess I am trying to figure out how email works and interacts with my network.......and with the WAN as well |
| 03:51.30 | atoponce | what is your isp? |
| 03:53.12 | dpjones | atoponce, my ISP is comcast at home here.... |
| 03:53.30 | atoponce | ahh. you are most likely out of luck, as far as sending out mail |
| 03:53.33 | dpjones | where I wrote 'xmission.com' before...I meant comcast.net I have xmission at work |
| 03:53.54 | dpjones | really? I have the net...with cable modem, but can't send out email? |
| 03:54.10 | atoponce | no. comcast blocks outgoing smtp traffic, because of spammers. |
| 03:54.19 | dpjones | how can that be? or do you just mean, I cant send out with the scheme I mention? i.e., through zugraum.com? |
| 03:54.28 | atoponce | if that isn't worse, most email venders blacklist comcast ip addresses |
| 03:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, no they don't |
| 03:54.43 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, I'm on comcast running my own e-mail server, against ToS, and it works just fine. :) |
| 03:54.55 | dpjones | ScytheBlade1, ok, then there is hope here...right? |
| 03:54.57 | atoponce | ScytheBladel, according to "Mary" at customer service, they do |
| 03:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "Mary" in customer service also abides by the ToS |
| 03:55.11 | atoponce | ScytheBladel, do you have a business account? |
| 03:55.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, home account |
| 03:55.18 | dpjones | sheesh..I don't want to foment a conflict here...... |
| 03:55.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I have a friend who worked in the call center that serviced utah |
| 03:55.32 | atoponce | i have a mail server, and all my outgoing mail is blocked |
| 03:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | dpjones, don't worry about it, it's not a conflict ;) |
| 03:55.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, I know this much: |
| 03:55.53 | atoponce | no conflict here |
| 03:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | When they began the big crackdown on spam, instead of just blocking :25 completly, they did data monitoring, and the users sending excessive amounts of data off of :25 were blocked |
| 03:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | (As not to tick off their technically inclined users) |
| 03:56.52 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 03:57.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got my IP and a friend's with :25 open on comcast, if you need to portscan ;) |
| 03:57.22 | atoponce | i have 25 open as well |
| 03:57.24 | dpjones | ScytheBlade1, ok, point well taken....so how would I set things up for email on my system then? |
| 03:57.26 | xbmodder_lappy | dpjones, why don't you get a virtual private server, they are like 12.95 a month, and you get your own server, you can even redirect it to your home with that |
| 03:57.37 | dpjones | do I need to forward port 25? |
| 03:57.48 | atoponce | dpjones- yeah. open 25 to start |
| 03:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Forward :25 to the box with the e-mail server |
| 03:58.17 | atoponce | dpjones, then you need either postfix or exim to handle the mail (one will be installed by default) |
| 03:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | dpjones, take xbmodder's advice with a bit of salt; he runs a company the provides virtual servers ;) |
| 03:58.26 | dpjones | port 25..right? is the ':' necessary? I know I have port 22 forwarded for ssh access..... |
| 03:58.37 | atoponce | no- just '25' |
| 03:58.41 | dpjones | ok... |
| 03:58.54 | atoponce | dpjones- what distro? |
| 03:59.02 | dpjones | debian 3.1 |
| 03:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | dpjones, it depends on your config, but just '25' should work. ':25" said verbally is usually said as "port 25". Sorry for any mis-communication |
| 03:59.27 | atoponce | i have a great howto for you. just a sec, let me find the link |
| 03:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | also, xbmodder_, and reason you always have 2 nicks online? :P |
| 03:59.43 | ScytheBlade1 | *any |
| 03:59.44 | dpjones | ScytheBlade1, glad to learn something new |
| 04:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | dpjones, and really, don't worry about a "conflict", it really wasn't one ;) |
| 04:00.34 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, this is my real nick |
| 04:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Although, I'll warn you now |
| 04:00.39 | atoponce | this link is for ubuntu breezy 5.10, but because the filesystem is virtually identical, it works just as well for debian: |
| 04:00.40 | xbmodder_lappy | xbmodder_ = screen |
| 04:00.40 | atoponce | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10 |
| 04:00.47 | xbmodder_lappy | ScytheBlade1, about what? |
| 04:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Several ISPs block comcast users sending mail to them |
| 04:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Notably AOL and Earthlink, and I'm sure others do also |
| 04:01.08 | xbmodder_lappy | dpjones, including pacbell... |
| 04:01.10 | atoponce | Gmail as well |
| 04:01.13 | xbmodder_lappy | I had to deal with that |
| 04:01.29 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, haha, must be "your luck" again... I can send from this connection --> gmail |
| 04:01.44 | atoponce | hmm. i know my server is setup correctly |
| 04:01.52 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: lets figure out why lighttpd is segfaulting.. |
| 04:01.57 | xbmodder_lappy | dpjones, what you can do is, get a relay, with IP based ACLs, (borrow one from someone here), and you can use that... |
| 04:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's really odd |
| 04:02.08 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, go X86 |
| 04:02.23 | atoponce | i can send mail to other users in the network just fine. anything out is futile |
| 04:02.25 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: 1.4.11 is the stable version upstream |
| 04:02.36 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, eh, I cheat and use xmail. Install it, add a dir, and I'm setup. |
| 04:02.37 | atoponce | i receive mail just fine too |
| 04:02.44 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, maybe its another library |
| 04:02.45 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: we aren't using any ricer cflags either.. |
| 04:02.52 | atoponce | xmail, eh? link? |
| 04:02.57 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: unless you changed them |
| 04:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | google, first result |
| 04:03.14 | xbmodder_lappy | nop |
| 04:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | straight tab-based config files; I heavily recommend phpxmail to admin it (point and click based admin) |
| 04:04.13 | atoponce | giving it a go right now |
| 04:04.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure how well it scales, if at all, but I only use it for me, so eh |
| 04:05.20 | nick125_ | xbmodder_lappy: i think our 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland thing isnt working right |
| 04:05.27 | atoponce | ScytheBladel- xmail for mailing lists? |
| 04:05.30 | xbmodder_lappy | nick125_, no, thats not it... |
| 04:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, it has mailing lists, yes |
| 04:05.46 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, lemme pull links, sec |
| 04:05.55 | atoponce | installing it now |
| 04:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | atoponce, http://www.xmailserver.org/ and http://phpxmail.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:06.16 | brac | [XMail Home Page] |
| 04:06.30 | atoponce | or just 'sudo apt-get install xmail'- gota love apt! |
| 04:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | eh |
| 04:06.39 | atoponce | :) |
| 04:06.40 | ScytheBlade1 | emerge > apt ;) |
| 04:06.45 | atoponce | bleh |
| 04:08.21 | nick125_ | lol |
| 04:09.33 | mheath | Amen, ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:09.47 | mheath | (and thats coming from someone who's only currently working computer is running Ubuntu :P ) |
| 04:09.53 | nick125_ | lol |
| 04:09.56 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:09.57 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 04:10.07 | atoponce | like unum has said: |
| 04:10.17 | nick125_ | apt-get is junk imho |
| 04:10.22 | atoponce | "i'd rather have my computer working then tweaking it" |
| 04:10.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Once you're done tweaking though |
| 04:10.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It's like twice the computer you could have otherwise |
| 04:11.20 | atoponce | gentoo is good. no doubt. |
| 04:11.26 | atoponce | debian is just better. ;) |
| 04:11.31 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 04:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep pretending to yourself ;) |
| 04:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I will myself ;) |
| 04:11.48 | atoponce | lol |
| 04:11.50 | atoponce | sounds good |
| 04:12.37 | nick125_ | POLL: who here is intending to buy vista when it comes out? |
| 04:12.42 | nick125_ | yes or no? :p |
| 04:13.19 | dpjones | nick125, what's your favorite package manager then? if not apt? |
| 04:13.38 | nick125_ | portage |
| 04:13.41 | atoponce | nick125_: nope. not me. xp works just fine |
| 04:13.56 | findlay | ~portage++ |
| 04:13.56 | nick125_ | I already know the answer to the poll but, im just wondering.. |
| 04:13.57 | dpjones | I won't contribute to the BILLG fundraiser any more.... |
| 04:14.34 | nick125_ | dpjones: haha |
| 04:14.36 | nick125_ | 2/0! |
| 04:14.42 | nick125_ | well, 0/2 |
| 04:14.48 | nick125_ | 0 yes, 3 no |
| 04:15.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 04:15.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes yes yes yes yes |
| 04:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I have yet to buy a MS OS |
| 04:15.16 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'll be purchasing that one |
| 04:15.30 | dpjones | ScytheBlade1, which of the 6 flavors though? |
| 04:15.36 | nick125_ | 0/4! |
| 04:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Enterprise, if at all possible |
| 04:15.41 | dpjones | doesn't VISTA come in 6 flavors? |
| 04:16.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart nick125 |
| 04:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, good pick ibot |
| 04:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ~botsnack |
| 04:16.10 | ibot | ScytheBlade1: :) |
| 04:16.18 | nick125_ | ~lart ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:16.37 | findlay | ~lart lart |
| 04:17.02 | findlay | ~tral |
| 04:17.13 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 04:17.23 | findlay | ~!lart |
| 04:17.29 | findlay | ~unlart |
| 04:17.37 | findlay | so many ways of negation |
| 04:19.32 | dpjones | thanks for the help, gentlemen....! |
| 04:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, sure |
| 04:20.01 | atoponce | dpjones- so what's the verdict? |
| 04:20.05 | atoponce | arg. |
| 04:20.30 | findlay | argv[1] |
| 04:20.57 | atoponce | man arg |
| 04:21.01 | atoponce | No manual entry for arg |
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| 04:27.45 | mheath | atoponce: "info libc argv" will probably do what you're looking for =P |
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| 04:29.15 | atoponce | :) |
| 04:29.55 | mheath | w00t, just got done with my run |
| 04:30.12 | mheath | I got out of the habit of my running. I have been taking a conditioning class, though. |
| 04:30.29 | mheath | Basic is just 3 months away now. I figured I should put some effort into getting back in shape :P |
| 04:35.17 | xbmodder_lappy | My driver's ed instructor was talking about how in the marines they accidentally threw a jet of the asphalt. |
| 04:35.49 | mheath | ....What do you mean? |
| 04:36.47 | mheath | You might be confused. In the *Navy*, pushing an aircraft off the side of a *carrier* is a common way of dealing with delta class fires |
| 04:37.29 | atoponce | i haven't been running for almost 5 months now |
| 04:39.18 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, they were transporting a jet to the hangar, and the connection between the jet and the car broke |
| 04:40.46 | mheath | xbmodder_Yeah, well, Marines are jarheads |
| 04:40.58 | mheath | (I say that lovingly, I might become a Marine) |
| 04:41.11 | mheath | Plus, accidents happen. |
| 04:41.18 | mheath | That doesn't sound like a big deal |
| 04:41.56 | mheath | They can handle suddenly having contact with the ground after going extremely fast, and they can handle high speed winds when going faster than the speed of sound |
| 04:42.06 | mheath | I think they handle being bumped onto the ground :) |
| 04:42.17 | mheath | anyway, time to go do pushups and situps |
| 04:48.51 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, c ya! |
| 04:48.58 | xbmodder_lappy | I love AOLBonics... |
| 05:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 05:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | http://qdb.us/52685 |
| 05:11.48 | brac | [QDB: Quote #52685] |
| 05:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | They denied that one |
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| 05:25.15 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: did it ever occur to you that "AOLBonics" is an example of "AOLBonics"? :) |
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| 05:26.41 | findlay | duh, I am so stupid |
| 05:26.46 | findlay | ~lart stupid |
| 05:27.40 | atoponce | why? |
| 05:27.56 | findlay | because |
| 05:28.21 | atoponce | oh. ok. |
| 05:28.29 | findlay | I was trying to match a negative lookahead in a regular expression beyond the end of the string |
| 05:28.40 | findlay | for about two hours |
| 05:28.50 | findlay | couldn't figure it out |
| 05:29.54 | atoponce | ah, but now that you have figured it out, you probably want to share it with everyone! |
| 05:30.02 | mheath | I got into an argument with a kid in class today about something like this |
| 05:30.13 | mheath | I don't particularly like the kid |
| 05:30.23 | mheath | Asking me for help with finding a problem in his code |
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| 05:30.35 | atoponce | i HATE that. |
| 05:30.35 | mheath | Me: "Just look at for a bit. You'll figure it out." |
| 05:30.49 | atoponce | or worse yet: |
| 05:30.58 | mheath | Him: "There's NOTHING WRONG WITH IT! It doesn't make sense! The line the IDE is underlining is perfectly OK!" |
| 05:31.07 | atoponce | "Well, if I could look at your code, I could figure it out." |
| 05:31.29 | mheath | Me: "You have no idea how many times I've said that, right before finding that I've made the worlds stupidest mistake. Go look at your code a bit more." |
| 05:32.08 | atoponce | here's the thing: if you haven't banged your head on the wall at least 10 times, you haven't tried hard enough |
| 05:32.18 | mheath | I'll admit it: I suck at looking at other peoples code |
| 05:32.31 | mheath | I hammer out something myself, and the most complex things will seam logical and neatly organize |
| 05:32.50 | atoponce | of course:) |
| 05:32.56 | mheath | I look at someone else's code, and I get lost quickly. I don't know why. It doesn't even have to be particularly complex code. |
| 05:33.12 | maquis | the more certain i am that my code is right, the more stupid the mistake that i made is |
| 05:33.15 | atoponce | it's the '_' that does me in |
| 05:33.19 | mheath | maquis: Indeed |
| 05:33.24 | mheath | Thats what I was trying to tell his kid |
| 05:33.28 | mheath | He refused to believe me |
| 05:33.41 | mheath | Sure enough, about 10 minutes later, I hear...."OH!" |
| 05:33.54 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:34.23 | maquis | i'll admit though, sometimes an extra set of eyes are really useful for figuring out what i'm being stupid about |
| 05:34.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 05:34.43 | atoponce | to a degree |
| 05:34.47 | mheath | He has this stupid game he's been working on for ages |
| 05:34.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I had a friend who couldn't figure out why his SQL query wasn't working |
| 05:34.58 | mheath | Hes convinced, quite literally, that its the best thing in the world |
| 05:35.08 | maquis | erm... ok... |
| 05:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Turns out that it was working fine, he just didn't close a quote, and it butchered the HTML ;) |
| 05:35.18 | mheath | The kid quite seriously has some phsychological problems. He gets angry very quickly. |
| 05:35.33 | mheath | He used to be part of a chanbara (japanese swordfighting) group my teacher runs |
| 05:35.37 | atoponce | do i know him? what school? |
| 05:35.39 | maquis | see, i don't mind people coming to me and saying "i know i'm doing something really stupid in here, but i'm just not seeing it"... |
| 05:36.01 | maquis | but if they say "my code is right... why isn't it working", then it can be really annoying |
| 05:36.08 | mheath | Known to randomly get in these...close to murderous rages. |
| 05:36.09 | maquis | it's a matter of the attitude a lot of times |
| 05:36.20 | mheath | Can't blame him. But it makes for someone not very easy to get a long with. |
| 05:36.33 | findlay | my code is always right. It's either the language or the compiler that is wrong |
| 05:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | go findlay |
| 05:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If only I could do that :( |
| 05:36.49 | mheath | atoponce: Right down the street....and...er..around the corner from you =P |
| 05:37.03 | atoponce | ahhhh. HIM |
| 05:37.09 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:37.18 | mheath | Do you really know who I'm talking about? |
| 05:37.26 | maquis | findlay: sadly, some people actually believe that... |
| 05:37.43 | mheath | Now I feel bad, talking about someone else when you knew who it was. |
| 05:37.46 | atoponce | well, there is this kid that has been in a couple of classes of mine that fits that description to a "T" |
| 05:37.54 | atoponce | but i doubt it |
| 05:38.12 | mheath | atoponce: Where do you teach? O.o |
| 05:38.22 | atoponce | not teach. student. |
| 05:38.24 | atoponce | wsu |
| 05:38.37 | mheath | Nah, this kid goes to Bonneville High |
| 05:38.49 | findlay | maquis: but my code is *always* right!!@! |
| 05:38.58 | atoponce | ahh. wait. that is literally around the corner from me |
| 05:39.11 | atoponce | i run on the track in the mornings (or did run) |
| 05:39.25 | mheath | atoponce: Yep. I know where you live! (ooooo, creepy!) =P |
| 05:39.37 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:39.44 | atoponce | weber state |
| 05:39.59 | maquis | ah |
| 05:40.02 | maquis | that makes sense |
| 05:40.38 | mheath | I wonder if they can ship me off on the 26th of June. That would be a stretch. |
| 05:41.51 | mheath | I'll be enlisting on the 19th |
| 05:41.58 | mheath | Either the 26th, or I'll have to wait until the 10th. |
| 05:43.21 | mheath | I'm such a loser. Enlisting on my birthday =P |
| 05:44.09 | atoponce | that sux |
| 05:44.43 | mheath | atoponce: I was joking. I'm excited about it (hence the reason I'm enlisting ASAP, on my birthday) |
| 05:45.04 | mheath | The only thing I'm very apprehensive about is basic training, because I'm considering going with the USMC. |
| 05:45.33 | atoponce | cool |
| 05:46.05 | mheath | 3 months of hell. |
| 05:47.26 | mheath | Luckily, though, I'll be going in at an advanced rank, and I've been somewhat prepared for the experience |
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| 06:10.10 | mheath | Good night, everyone |
| 06:10.27 | mheath | Wow, I feel good. I'm getting these online classes done really fast now, and I've started to work out again |
| 06:10.43 | mheath | I feel great. Goodnight. |
| 06:11.24 | maquis | lost a point on a test because i apparently can't use a calculator correctly |
| 06:11.42 | maquis | it was addition and multiplication... and i had a calculator!!! |
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| 07:22.06 | levi | Man, the sheer volume of Vorlath's idiotic rants amazes me. |
| 07:24.32 | findlay | levi: has he discovered the virtues of gentoo yet? (: |
| 07:24.58 | findlay | or ed? |
| 07:25.01 | levi | No, he's just fumbling around with weird programming language ideas. |
| 07:26.00 | levi | He still hasn't figured out that you sometimes need to allocate things on the heap. |
| 07:26.00 | findlay | "you need to be able to recompile your entire OS and infrastructure on the fly. Oh, and you should always use ed. All other editors are for the weak." (: |
| 07:31.48 | levi | I gave up on writing a SML version of that quiz program. OCaml was much easier to work with, and I don't have the time to invest in learning SML at the moment. |
| 07:33.01 | findlay | would you say SML is depreciated by OCAML? |
| 07:33.26 | levi | No, not really. |
| 07:33.50 | levi | SML is probably in more textbooks on ML. |
| 07:34.26 | levi | But OCaml seems a lot easier to do practical stuff in. |
| 07:34.51 | levi | SML is really stinkin' fast when you compile it with MLton, though, which is why I wanted to try it. |
| 07:35.07 | levi | MLton is a whole-program optimizing compiler. |
| 07:39.42 | maquis | 2.4/24.3 = .0987654321 |
| 07:39.57 | findlay | stupid netbios |
| 07:40.14 | findlay | ~lart netbios |
| 07:46.21 | nick125_ | lol |
| 07:51.36 | findlay | one of veracity's nameservers is down |
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| 15:01.24 | sjansen | Beware the Ire of Jayce^! |
| 15:01.51 | Jayce^ | ides.... |
| 15:08.47 | sjansen | ~taunt Jayce^ |
| 15:08.48 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at Jayce^ |
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| 15:36.27 | harleypig | Yesterday was pi day, 3/14 |
| 15:36.47 | Jayce^ | old news harleypig |
| 15:36.58 | harleypig | In europe they celebrate pi day on the 22nd day of July |
| 15:37.22 | harleypig | *sigh* |
| 15:37.48 | harleypig | ~taunt sjansen with my laptop |
| 15:37.49 | ibot | ACTION folds a paper football and flicks it at sjansen with my laptop |
| 15:40.55 | vontrapp | yay for hydraulic clutches gone soft! |
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| 15:44.11 | harleypig | nick125: what's you webservers address ... I'll help it go down :> |
| 15:44.45 | nick125 | harleypig: nah, i think the other 3800 connections are doing a good enough job :) |
| 15:44.49 | nick125 | thanks anyways |
| 15:45.03 | vontrapp | ~spam nick125 |
| 15:45.04 | ibot | you should get a hotmail account to spam nick125 |
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| 15:49.02 | harleypig | :D |
| 15:51.29 | Hhhhh | hullo |
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| 16:13.53 | levi | Morning. |
| 16:14.08 | emcnabb | morning |
| 16:14.28 | levi | Plug has gone silent. |
| 16:16.31 | Jayce^ | what other languages can we get people to write a snippet in for that challenge? |
| 16:19.14 | levi | There's always Haskell. |
| 16:22.10 | sjansen | monad |
| 16:22.21 | levi | And no one's written a pure C one. |
| 16:22.24 | sjansen | brainf*ck |
| 16:23.19 | sjansen | assembly |
| 16:23.49 | levi | Forth |
| 16:23.58 | levi | Postscript :) |
| 16:24.08 | sjansen | heh |
| 16:24.48 | herlo | my faves are QBASIC and LOGO personally... |
| 16:25.10 | tensai | I don't think logo is turing complete |
| 16:25.36 | herlo | yeah, but it sure is fun, I guess we could suggest smalltalk and/or squeak then |
| 16:25.49 | herlo | if it hasn't been already suggested |
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| 16:27.58 | Jayce^ | herlo get's basic.. |
| 16:28.22 | levi | tensai: Of course logo is turing complete |
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| 16:29.44 | sjansen | if a turing machine is turing complete, almost anything is turing complete |
| 16:30.12 | harleypig | what's the name of the knoppix program that identifies the hardware on your system? |
| 16:31.29 | tensai | "Logo is an educational program, primarily used by elementary school students to make line drawings. But it is a full, turing-complete programming language with a wide variety of functions." |
| 16:31.32 | tensai | I stand corrected |
| 16:33.40 | levi | Logo is actually a close relative to lisp. |
| 16:34.13 | levi | Oh, for the silly quiz program, don't forget Prolog. |
| 16:34.19 | Jayce^ | levi, really? never really made a connection for that.. |
| 16:34.30 | Jayce^ | anybody suggest cobol yet? I know harleypig could write that :) |
| 16:34.50 | Jayce^ | RPG |
| 16:34.56 | levi | Smalltalk |
| 16:35.19 | levi | C# |
| 16:35.22 | levi | Visual Basic |
| 16:37.21 | Jayce^ | PASM (parrot assembly) |
| 16:37.35 | Jayce^ | x86 assembly |
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| 16:38.13 | levi | I'm annoyed that Bryan didn't compile my OCaml program and see by what margin it beats the C++ program. ;) |
| 16:38.24 | harleypig | I'd rather not write anything in cobol again, thanks. |
| 16:38.34 | Jayce^ | hrm, he's not online or I'd bug him about it |
| 16:38.41 | Jayce^ | harleypig, you know you want to |
| 16:39.40 | sjansen | ~force harleypig to write cobol |
| 16:40.09 | Jayce^ | ~force sjansen to write C++ cgi's with PHP templating |
| 16:40.59 | levi | It'd be interesting to see how it compares to Jason Holt's mega overkill C program, too. |
| 16:41.08 | sjansen | in perl, what's the easiest way to resolve a symlink to the actual file it points at |
| 16:41.09 | sjansen | ? |
| 16:41.51 | Jayce^ | lemme look |
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| 16:42.17 | harleypig | sjansen: lstat |
| 16:43.32 | harleypig | oops, nm |
| 16:43.36 | Jayce^ | harleypig, that just does the stat |
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| 16:46.40 | harleypig | yeah, hence the oops. :] |
| 16:47.53 | harleypig | readlink |
| 16:49.32 | harleypig | perl -e 'print readlink( "./test" ) . "\n"' |
| 16:49.59 | harleypig | ~curse Jayce^ |
| 16:50.02 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Jayce^ ! |
| 16:50.16 | harleypig | I'm thinking about how to do that stoopid program in cobol ... |
| 16:50.20 | Hhhhh | why is that a curse? winXP is fine |
| 16:50.26 | harleypig | it's just percolating in the back of my mind |
| 16:50.32 | sjansen | harleypig++ |
| 16:51.11 | sjansen | ~pity Hhhhh |
| 16:51.13 | ibot | I pity da fool Hhhhh! |
| 16:51.45 | Hhhhh | nobody calls me fool |
| 16:57.01 | harleypig | Object Oriented COBOL : ADD 1 TO COBOL GIVING COBOL |
| 16:57.20 | harleypig | AHHHH ... it's coming back ... |
| 16:57.37 | sjansen | o/~ I am the lazer viking! ~/o |
| 16:58.01 | harleypig | That's it Jayce^ I'm coming to work tomorrow in a thong. |
| 16:59.45 | tensai | if you weren't before, you will be after |
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| 17:00.18 | Jayce^ | amen to that |
| 17:01.52 | levi | harleypig: I really want to see the COBOL version of that program. :) |
| 17:02.03 | levi | Someone should write a Fortran version, too. |
| 17:02.04 | Jayce^ | see harleypig, do it for levi... |
| 17:02.15 | Jayce^ | Ada :) |
| 17:02.53 | tensai | I had another window covering xchat. All I saw was "<levi> harleypig: I really want to see" and I did a double take. |
| 17:03.04 | levi | Heh. |
| 17:03.16 | levi | Ada would be fun. I'll bet it would be fairly fast, too. |
| 17:07.12 | harleypig | :D |
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| 17:08.34 | levi | If you're into static typing, Ada has quite the type system. |
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| 17:09.19 | Jayce^ | levi, yeah, I had an acquaintance that used to do ada, worked on train routing.. |
| 17:09.50 | levi | I haven't actually tried to use it, but I've read through the manual on Wikibooks. |
| 17:09.53 | Jayce^ | he always touted the reliability of the language |
| 17:10.33 | levi | Speaking of reliability... there's always Eiffel. |
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| 17:28.09 | harleypig | HAH! cobol is not apt-gettable! |
| 17:29.15 | harleypig | The requirements for the program are to print a frequency list of the text against the dictionary correct? |
| 17:29.35 | harleypig | dict has unique words, text has x occurrences |
| 17:30.19 | levi | Yes. |
| 17:30.30 | levi | The program requirements are not clear at all, but that's what everyone's been doing. |
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| 17:41.37 | Jayce^ | everybody's been running of the basic assumptions made by the first case |
| 17:44.29 | levi | Well, I think the usage of 'unique' was in error, and if it replaced by 'distinct', the requirements become clear. |
| 17:44.51 | levi | Well, the basic idea becomes clear, at least. |
| 17:45.40 | levi | There's still no rigorous definition of which parts of the document should be considered words. |
| 17:46.27 | levi | I didn't care enough to bother dealing with punctuation when extracting words, and most of the others don't either. |
| 18:00.45 | jlp_work | sjansen: readlink |
| 18:06.01 | levi | This looks interesting: http://www.lambdassociates.org/ |
| 18:06.03 | brac | [Lambda Associates Home Page] |
| 18:06.25 | levi | They've got a language built on top of Lisp that does optional static type checking, with a turing-complete type description language. |
| 18:07.04 | levi | Which has a downside that type-checking is not guaranteed to terminate, but it makes type definitions pretty expressive! |
| 18:10.33 | Jayce^ | NERD! |
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| 18:15.29 | goozbach | http://infernix.net/wowban/ |
| 18:20.32 | harleypig | why am I not surprised you got that. and i wonder who else did. :> |
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| 18:28.42 | harleypig | goozbach: that really sucks. |
| 18:45.08 | harleypig | all right ... I'm wearing a thong and baby powder tomorrow ... just for Jayce^ and Joe! |
| 18:46.21 | Jayce^ | hey, it was nate that was asking you about COBOL :) |
| 18:48.17 | harleypig | Yeah, but you put him up to it! |
| 18:56.28 | harleypig | levi: I just sent some perl code to plug for that word stuff you were looking for. The last email has the real entry. |
| 19:01.25 | Jayce^ | so, why do you still have File::Slurp in the last entry? |
| 19:01.50 | Jayce^ | tensai, you ROCK :) |
| 19:02.03 | tensai | :D |
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| 19:03.04 | harleypig | thanks ... missed that. |
| 19:03.36 | harleypig | Can I use SNOBOL? |
| 19:03.45 | harleypig | REBOL |
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| 19:44.19 | levi | REBOL would be interesting, but it's nothing like COBOL. |
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| 20:04.05 | sjansen | http://www.lifehacker.com/software/uploaded/2006-03-15/keyboardgrowth.jpg |
| 20:09.58 | sjansen | http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/aafc-pch031306.php |
| 20:09.59 | brac | [Pepper component hot enough to trigger suicide in prostate cancer cells] |
| 20:34.28 | harleypig | http://www.cavebear.com/CaveBear/catalogue/xml-to-cobol.html |
| 20:36.45 | harleypig | I'm make you pay for this jayce! A cobol VM! http://www.acucorp.com/ |
| 20:36.47 | brac | [Acucorp, Inc. - The New Face of COBOL - Modern Solutions for Extending and Enhancing COBOL Business Applications] |
| 20:39.00 | harleypig | Who needs perl or ruby or python! We've got https://www.cobolscript.com/ |
| 20:41.48 | harleypig | html embedded in cobol |
| 20:42.09 | levi | harleypig: It's compatible with Linux! |
| 20:42.54 | levi | Sweet, line numbers and column-sensitive data! |
| 20:44.17 | harleypig | PERFORM subroutine VARYING x BY y UNTIL condition |
| 20:48.10 | sjansen | ~lart harleypig |
| 20:51.25 | harleypig | THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU |
| 20:52.30 | harleypig | But it should have been: |
| 20:52.35 | harleypig | GO-POSTAL. |
| 20:52.53 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.03 | harleypig | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.09 | harleypig | forget it. |
| 20:53.12 | harleypig | it's not worth it. |
| 21:01.14 | findlay | thanks harleypig. Now I no longer have that excuse to not learn COBOL |
| 21:01.44 | findlay | now that I've got cobolscript, that is |
| 21:01.52 | findlay | and a vm too. Awesome |
| 21:18.16 | harleypig | heh |
| 21:18.35 | harleypig | I'm not gonna do cobol ... too much work to remember and debug. |
| 21:19.23 | harleypig | Forget a period and you get 50000 lnes of errors from a 100 line code |
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| 21:23.13 | findlay | ~COBOL |
| 21:23.15 | ibot | cobol is, like, (COmmon Business-Oriented Language) This is a programming language developed in the '60s by several computer companies and the US Department of Defense. COBOL is still used today for programming business applications and COBOL programmers are a major source of the Year 2000 headache. In fact, many of them have come out of retirement to fix the mess ... |
| 21:23.43 | findlay | heh |
| 21:30.03 | findlay | levi: Keith Lockheart is an awesome Dvorak conductor. His Mahler is pretty good too. |
| 21:36.33 | levi | I went to the Dvorak concert that the Utah Symphony put on not too long ago. |
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| 21:52.22 | mse | ~lart maquis |
| 22:05.20 | emcnabb | sjansen is a pansy |
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| 22:22.59 | sjansen | emcnabb is a stinky pants |
| 22:29.38 | emcnabb | sjansen: you didn't physically hurt yourself on our command |
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| 22:43.44 | sjansen | http://www.lifehacker.com/software/business/fight-the-corporate-bull-with-bullfighter-160740.php |
| 22:43.46 | brac | [Fight the Corporate Bull with Bullfighter - Lifehacker] |
| 22:47.41 | spr | sjansen, that's pretty cool. |
| 22:56.20 | levi | It would probably explode if you put the combined works of Steven R. Covey through it. |
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| 23:28.46 | emcnabb | ~lart findlay |
| 23:28.58 | emcnabb | ibot: you're always there for me, thanks |
| 23:40.36 | jlp_work | sjansen: did you see my earlier message re: readlink? |
| 23:44.01 | sjansen | jlp_work: did you see harleypig's even earlier message re: readlink? |
| 23:44.05 | sjansen | but thanks anyway |
| 23:45.19 | jlp_work | nope :-) |
| 23:45.57 | jlp_work | I suppose I should be less selective in my reviewing of the window history |
| 23:46.12 | jlp_work | s/less/more/ |
| 23:46.47 | jlp_work | s/selective/thorough/ |
| 23:46.53 | jlp_work | arg |
| 23:46.58 | jlp_work | I don't know what I mean |
| 23:47.24 | sjansen | jlp_work: do you mean you need to stop ignoring harleypig or start ignoring me? ;-) |
| 23:47.34 | jlp_work | yes! |
| 23:48.14 | jlp_work | I mean I need to stop ignoring my work and get back to it |
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| 23:53.26 | maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
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