| 00:04.05 | goozbach | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=126969 |
| 00:08.41 | maquis | wow |
| 00:09.54 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 00:10.01 | Hhhhh | man, that is some addiction |
| 00:10.14 | KillerMonk | what's the point? |
| 00:10.25 | Tene | what's the point of any hobby? |
| 00:10.42 | KillerMonk | point taken |
| 00:11.16 | Hhhhh | well, now that I think of it, some hobbies have positive things coming out of them |
| 00:11.43 | Tene | but is that why theyre done? |
| 00:11.57 | Tene | s/theyre/they're/ |
| 00:13.56 | goozbach | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=126969 |
| 00:39.45 | maquis | goozbach: that's really cool |
| 00:40.09 | Tene | http://askaninja.com/news/2006/03/07/special-delivery-1-what-is-podcasting |
| 00:41.33 | Tene | best, most informative piece I've seen on podcasting. |
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| 00:57.32 | Hhhhh | hmm, is there any good OpenSource internet filtering that can be just installed and run in one machine? |
| 00:59.35 | Tene | "internet filtering"? |
| 00:59.50 | Hhhhh | blocking porn |
| 00:59.54 | Tene | check privoxy |
| 00:59.58 | Tene | dansguardian |
| 01:00.01 | Tene | squid |
| 01:00.08 | goozbach | dansguardin |
| 01:01.35 | Hhhhh | now, dansguardian needs the IP addressesof porn sites before it can block? |
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| 01:04.37 | goozbach_ | what happened there? |
| 01:07.13 | goozbach_ | hmm |
| 01:08.21 | goozbach | hmm /kick goozbach_ |
| 01:08.25 | *** kick/#utah [goozbach_!n=goozbach@207.108.175.219] by goozbach (goozbach) |
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| 03:18.34 | nick125-treo | wow |
| 03:19.23 | nick125-treo | the office depot here has a huge stack of ubuntu cds..i thought I was the only one that knew about linux |
| 03:19.46 | nick125-treo | brb |
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| 03:47.06 | nick125-treo | I'm starting to hate major electronic retail stores |
| 03:47.44 | nick125-treo | mainly compusa |
| 03:50.21 | emcnabb | compusa is horrible |
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| 05:14.26 | TimRikerCDMA | almost to payson and still online. wild. |
| 05:16.09 | RyanE | TimRiker: I've driven from Highland to St. George, and was on SprintPCS card network, streaming music, with only a few skips. |
| 05:16.51 | RyanE | not a blazing fast network, but fast enough to stream a bit of music. |
| 05:17.21 | QBFreak | anyone here familiar with the VMWare Player? |
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| 05:33.08 | maquis | ~kick TimRiker |
| 05:33.10 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 05:33.29 | QBFreak | anyone here familiar with the VMWare Player? |
| 05:33.33 | QBFreak | that was my last comment :) |
| 05:33.37 | maquis | ~drool on TimRiker |
| 05:33.39 | ibot | ACTION duct tapes TimRiker to the floor and drools on him |
| 05:34.12 | QBFreak | from a machine other than the one hosting the vm |
| 05:34.29 | TimRiker | ~lart maquis |
| 05:36.17 | findlay | ibot: sod on |
| 05:41.49 | maquis | :) |
| 05:42.00 | maquis | TimRiker: how's it going? |
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| 05:44.21 | TimRiker | well, echo packets get lost from time to time, and the airstream card does not seem to get hangups, but I think I have the kinks worked out. or isn't that what you meant? |
| 05:44.39 | nick125-treo | hmm.. |
| 05:45.45 | QBFreak | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=126969 |
| 05:45.59 | QBFreak | oops |
| 05:46.08 | nick125-treo | lol |
| 05:46.12 | findlay | ~slap nick125-treo |
| 05:46.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps nick125-treo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 05:46.25 | findlay | there. That'll wake you up |
| 05:46.39 | findlay | ~fishslap ? |
| 05:46.46 | findlay | whatever |
| 05:46.48 | nick125-treo | lol |
| 05:47.04 | findlay | QBFreak: yeah, do it |
| 05:47.25 | findlay | wow, only had to think about it that time |
| 05:47.29 | QBFreak | that is so awesome |
| 05:47.40 | QBFreak | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=126969 |
| 05:48.17 | QBFreak | my bot couldn't get ahold of the page either, but it's a very large lego air-craft carrier |
| 05:49.23 | QBFreak | I can't imagine what that must have cost to build |
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| 05:55.30 | QBFreak | nice |
| 05:55.55 | findlay | on the USS John C. Stennis, CVN 74. Nimitz class |
| 05:56.03 | findlay | huge craft |
| 05:57.18 | findlay | we had just given a concert on the hangar deck for the navy personnel |
| 05:57.27 | findlay | interesting acoustics |
| 05:57.30 | QBFreak | cool |
| 05:57.32 | QBFreak | heh I bet |
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| 06:18.57 | findlay | what if it went around twice ... or maybe ad infinitum |
| 06:19.04 | findlay | yeah, that's it |
| 06:19.50 | findlay | and then you send armies of these infinitum packets out into the wilds of the internet and they gobble up every other packet until there's one giant packet on the whole internet |
| 06:20.11 | QBFreak | eek |
| 06:20.23 | QBFreak | attack of the killer-monster-packet! |
| 06:20.25 | findlay | and the world is brought back into the dark ages unless everybody gives me a lot of money |
| 06:20.34 | QBFreak | unplug your ethernet cables or risk your doom! |
| 06:22.10 | findlay | 1.) ad infinitum packets 2.) eat other packets 3.) ... 4.) PROFIT!!1@!1 |
| 06:22.20 | findlay | sounds like a sure /. recipie |
| 06:32.07 | maquis | hmmm |
| 06:32.53 | maquis | someone IM'd me for help with a linux box... i tried to get him to tell me A) what distro he was running, and B) what the problem was (with a little more descriptiveness than "my linux box isn't working")... |
| 06:33.07 | maquis | never got any of that info, and now gaim is telling me the guy is just suddenly not online |
| 06:33.51 | QBFreak | maybe he tried to fix it |
| 06:35.06 | maquis | dunno |
| 06:35.21 | emcnabb | doing taxes sucks |
| 06:35.25 | maquis | i would've been glad to help if i could get a little bit of information... |
| 06:35.28 | maquis | emcnabb: ick |
| 06:35.31 | levi | emcnabb: That's why I pay someone to do mine. :) |
| 06:36.40 | emcnabb | but it was either taxes or watching Pride and Prejudice with the wife, mother-in-law, and aunts |
| 06:36.52 | QBFreak | ah |
| 06:36.54 | emcnabb | and it looks like the refund this year will be nice :-) |
| 06:37.01 | QBFreak | cool |
| 06:37.18 | emcnabb | levi: I'll probably do that sometime in the future |
| 06:37.33 | levi | emcnabb: They're watching the new P&P? |
| 06:37.38 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 06:37.44 | QBFreak | which means I shouldn't have to send them money this year, yay! |
| 06:37.46 | levi | I saw a little bit of that this morning while I was getting ready. |
| 06:38.18 | levi | maquis: I find it hard to believe that you haven't |
| 06:38.21 | maquis | :) |
| 06:38.35 | maquis | i've watched 10 minutes of the really long one... and then i got bored and went and did something else |
| 06:38.36 | levi | I've seen... lots. |
| 06:38.51 | maquis | for a while, my mom was watching that one every day while i was in high school |
| 06:39.01 | maquis | i just didn't have the attention span |
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| 06:39.32 | levi | I think I've seen 5 different versions, two of which were modern-day retellings. |
| 06:39.36 | nick125-treo | hmm |
| 06:39.42 | levi | One of which was the Bollywood one. |
| 06:39.50 | levi | The other was the Mormon flick. |
| 06:46.42 | maquis | "Problem is solved if you download the file libdvd.css this is a cascading style sheet for addressing the decrypting of dvd encryption." |
| 06:47.18 | nick125-treo | o.0 |
| 06:47.47 | maquis | :) |
| 06:48.02 | nick125-treo | libdvd.css..what the.. |
| 06:48.36 | maquis | yeah... |
| 06:49.05 | maquis | i looked at that and thought "wow... i never knew that libdvdcss was a cascading style sheet........." |
| 06:49.44 | nick125-treo | haha |
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| 07:03.40 | maquis | "the source can't be read. maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: not disc in drive). (error reading from dvd.) |
| 07:03.43 | maquis | " |
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| 07:18.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Is a Lisp machine a physical implementation of the Lambda calculus, just like a "normal" computer is a physical implementation of a Turing machine? |
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| 07:29.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ~weather 94566 |
| 07:36.07 | QBFreak | ~weather KOAK |
| 07:36.13 | QBFreak | is that what you were looking for? |
| 07:36.16 | xbmodder_lappy | Ooh |
| 07:36.19 | xbmodder_lappy | near there |
| 07:36.27 | QBFreak | yeah, I looked it up on google maps |
| 07:36.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Thanks. |
| 07:36.37 | QBFreak | and then in the text version of the siteloc thing that my bot uses |
| 07:36.42 | QBFreak | ~weather KEQY |
| 07:38.58 | QBFreak | your best bet is to look up the nearest city with an airport :) |
| 07:39.06 | QBFreak | in that second link ibot gave you |
| 07:39.21 | Lone_Wanderer | quarterback freak? |
| 07:42.34 | QBFreak | once upon a time it was Quick Basic |
| 07:42.36 | QBFreak | now it just is |
| 07:43.03 | Lone_Wanderer | oh ok |
| 08:42.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Anyone here want to make a website for me? |
| 08:42.34 | xbmodder_lappy | Well actually a web design |
| 08:42.42 | xbmodder_lappy | and help me out with some other stuff |
| 08:42.51 | xbmodder_lappy | you can put a 100 word note on the bottom... |
| 08:42.55 | xbmodder_lappy | (footer) |
| 08:43.18 | Lone_Wanderer | All you need is a design? |
| 08:43.37 | Lone_Wanderer | If that's the case check out oswd.org |
| 08:43.40 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, I am building a simple VPS controller |
| 08:43.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Verio VPS? |
| 08:43.59 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, Have you ever used Webmin? |
| 08:44.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Or does the rest of the world have them, too? |
| 08:44.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, and I hate it. |
| 08:44.11 | xbmodder_lappy | Verio VPS? |
| 08:44.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Verio is a hosting company |
| 08:44.18 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, I need a design like that |
| 08:44.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Why not just copy theirs? |
| 08:44.40 | xbmodder_lappy | and I need to know how to make anchors submit form data (GET form data) |
| 08:44.41 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: <html><body>Hello, World.</body></head> |
| 08:44.49 | findlay | there. Does that count? |
| 08:44.59 | Lone_Wanderer | You can't GET form data, you have to POST it. |
| 08:45.14 | Lone_Wanderer | The only thing you can pass in the get request is URL-encoded variables. |
| 08:45.57 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, Yeah basically I need like a "PROGRAM=REBOOT" or "PROGRAM=BLAH" appended to the URL |
| 08:46.06 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, is there any official HTML way to do that |
| 08:46.10 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 08:46.21 | xbmodder_lappy | or do I just set href to "?program=reboot" |
| 08:46.22 | Lone_Wanderer | foo.com/page.php?program=reboot |
| 08:46.27 | Lone_Wanderer | yep |
| 08:46.28 | Lone_Wanderer | just do that |
| 08:46.41 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, lol, PythonCGI |
| 08:47.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, whatever. Just stick ?var=value&var2=value2 |
| 08:47.06 | findlay | snakes! He's using snakes |
| 08:47.26 | Lone_Wanderer | <out-loud pronunciation of CGI>-snakes! |
| 08:47.46 | xbmodder_lappy | hehe |
| 08:47.57 | xbmodder_lappy | Thanks guys |
| 08:48.04 | xbmodder_lappy | Any of you guys good at logo design? |
| 08:48.12 | xbmodder_lappy | you can water mark it... |
| 08:48.22 | Lone_Wanderer | There's a site where you can get free, automatic logo designs. |
| 08:48.39 | findlay | image scripting is fun |
| 08:48.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't remember the URL though |
| 08:51.34 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 08:51.44 | xbmodder_lappy | lala |
| 08:51.52 | xbmodder_lappy | time to hack away |
| 08:51.55 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: animated GIFs |
| 08:52.04 | findlay | little ones |
| 08:52.21 | findlay | ugly |
| 08:54.34 | xbmodder_lappy | :-( |
| 09:04.02 | Lone_Wanderer | "You can't fix the problem just by turning the machine off and on without understanding what's going on." |
| 09:04.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Stallman then turned the machine off and on again. The machine worked. |
| 09:07.03 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 09:09.40 | Lone_Wanderer | xbmodder, are you dating a girl named Liz? |
| 09:10.25 | xbmodder_lappy | What the? |
| 09:10.32 | xbmodder_lappy | Err.. no |
| 09:10.37 | xbmodder_lappy | why? |
| 09:10.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 09:11.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I realized after I asked that, that it's basically the equivalent of saying "OMG you're from New York? Do you know Bob?" |
| 09:11.29 | xbmodder_lappy | No, no it isn't. |
| 09:11.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes it is |
| 09:11.43 | Lone_Wanderer | because I know a girl named Liz who's dating a guy who likes to mod xboxes. |
| 09:11.48 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 09:12.15 | xbmodder_lappy | I asked someone if they were dating robin |
| 09:12.21 | xbmodder_lappy | and then they were... |
| 09:12.29 | xbmodder_lappy | they didn't know robin == IRCrobin |
| 09:12.33 | xbmodder_lappy | when they found out.. |
| 09:12.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 09:12.36 | xbmodder_lappy | it was funny.. |
| 09:12.54 | xbmodder_lappy | for me at least |
| 09:13.14 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, I am 15 by the way |
| 09:13.49 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, do you know any 13-15 year olds which go out with xbox modders their own age? |
| 09:14.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I'd hope that most people would date girls their own age. Roughly anyway. |
| 09:14.48 | xbmodder_lappy | Girls in high school date guys a year older usually. |
| 09:15.03 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 09:15.05 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, is Liz in utah? |
| 09:15.08 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 09:15.12 | Lone_Wanderer | and she's really, really cute |
| 09:15.13 | Lone_Wanderer | and nice |
| 09:15.25 | xbmodder_lappy | And I am in california.. |
| 09:15.28 | Lone_Wanderer | and way too young for me :( |
| 09:15.34 | xbmodder_lappy | Lone_Wanderer, she is 15? |
| 09:15.37 | xbmodder_lappy | or 16 |
| 09:15.40 | xbmodder_lappy | or a minor? |
| 09:15.49 | Lone_Wanderer | no, 19 or so n ow |
| 09:16.15 | xbmodder_lappy | dang. |
| 09:16.26 | xbmodder_lappy | lol. |
| 09:17.01 | Lone_Wanderer | okay I'm going to boot up Progress Quest, turn on some music, and go to sleep. |
| 09:17.12 | xbmodder_lappy | Progress quest? |
| 09:17.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Hopefully I'll gain a few levels by morning. |
| 09:17.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, google it. It's an RPG. |
| 09:17.24 | xbmodder_lappy | fun. |
| 09:17.38 | xbmodder_lappy | Can't wait to go live in 9 days :-) |
| 09:17.48 | xbmodder_lappy | Hopefully get DBA by then |
| 09:17.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got a level 37 Mu-Fu Monk. |
| 09:18.15 | Lone_Wanderer | On the Expodrine server. |
| 09:18.28 | xbmodder_lappy | sweet. |
| 09:18.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 09:19.16 | xbmodder_lappy | oh |
| 09:19.40 | Lone_Wanderer | You don't actually do anything. You just watch it. |
| 09:19.56 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 09:19.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Little blue bars indicate your progress, just like when you're installing software |
| 09:20.09 | Lone_Wanderer | hence the name "progress quest" |
| 09:20.59 | Lone_Wanderer | It deals with all the pesky details of gameplay for you. |
| 09:21.12 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 09:21.43 | Lone_Wanderer | It also abstracts out death - instead of you dying, it just subtracts a tiny bit of exp from every kill you get |
| 09:22.00 | Lone_Wanderer | which, over time, equals the amount you would have lost if you died occasionally |
| 09:23.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh wow. |
| 09:23.16 | Lone_Wanderer | One of the side effects of listening to internet radio is that occasionally you get really weird song titles. |
| 09:23.21 | xbmodder_lappy | lik3? |
| 09:23.28 | xbmodder_lappy | s/3/e/ |
| 09:23.33 | Lone_Wanderer | "A huge ever growing pulsating brain" |
| 09:23.40 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 09:24.01 | xbmodder_lappy | I a mgongga sleep |
| 09:24.06 | xbmodder_lappy | I am gonna |
| 09:24.11 | Lone_Wanderer | sleep well |
| 09:24.14 | xbmodder_lappy | night |
| 09:24.22 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm. I wonder how complex ibot's regexes are. |
| 09:24.33 | Lone_Wanderer | too bad I don't know regexes well enough to test it |
| 09:48.47 | QBFreak | Lone_Wanderer: groove salad or the drone zone? |
| 09:48.56 | Lone_Wanderer | bluemars |
| 09:49.05 | QBFreak | ah, never heard of it |
| 09:49.10 | QBFreak | but I do recognize the song title |
| 09:49.19 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 09:52.23 | QBFreak | bed time |
| 09:52.30 | QBFreak | it's waay too late (EST) |
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| 16:16.16 | Hhhhh | My PDA is a Zaurus running Linux kernel 2.4.18, good luck installing Windows CE/Mobile on it |
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| 17:06.23 | elg | here's a question for you, if you have two regular expressions and want to know if the interesection is not empty, what do you do? |
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| 17:15.43 | atoponce | elg- and the expressions together |
| 17:15.58 | elg | example? |
| 17:16.06 | elg | remember I have no string to match against |
| 17:16.21 | elg | I'm not testing if a string is in the intersection. I'm testing if the intersection is non-empty |
| 17:17.05 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 17:19.16 | atoponce | i was thinking more abstractly. like in mathematics. |
| 17:19.19 | atoponce | what language? |
| 17:25.12 | elg | ruby |
| 17:25.25 | elg | regexps in ruby are perl-like |
| 17:25.33 | elg | so perl would be fine too |
| 17:28.22 | atoponce | what do you have so far? |
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| 17:29.09 | elg | an idea. I actually don't need full regular expressions, it's a simple regular expression language that I need to compare the two patterns from |
| 17:29.34 | elg | so I'm thinking of writing my own DFA-based thing instead of using native regexps |
| 17:29.50 | elg | I know how to do intersection of DFAs |
| 17:30.17 | elg | if I could get a DFA out of a regexp, that would be fine too |
| 17:31.13 | atoponce | beyond me. i know my basic stuff, but no real dfa stuff |
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| 19:38.50 | maquis | whenever i run vim in screen, it takes 3-8 seconds to load, and i can't figure out why |
| 19:39.01 | QBFreak | loads right up for me |
| 19:39.12 | maquis | this happens regardless of whether i'm physically at the machine or ssh'd to it |
| 19:39.24 | maquis | QBFreak: yeah... it loads right up for me on all my other machines |
| 19:39.25 | maquis | :) |
| 19:41.13 | maquis | it's a debian box... |
| 19:41.14 | maquis | etc |
| 19:43.29 | jlp_work | maquis: have you tried a different TERM setting? perhaps the "screen" terminal configuration is slowing vim down for some reason? |
| 19:43.45 | QBFreak | now if this was an in-house app the devloper would say "but it works on my machine..." |
| 19:43.52 | jlp_work | try: TERM=vt100 vim |
| 19:43.57 | maquis | jlp_work: i haven't... is there a manpage for doing that? |
| 19:44.00 | maquis | oh... i'll try that |
| 19:44.09 | QBFreak | TERM is just an env var |
| 19:44.35 | jlp_work | yeah, screen defaults to setting your TERM to "screen", but it's supposed to emulate a vt100 pretty closely (closer than xterm does, anyway) |
| 19:44.51 | maquis | jlp_work: still took about 3 seconds to start |
| 19:45.14 | jlp_work | have you tried running it with strace to see if it's stalling out in any particular system call? |
| 19:45.21 | maquis | i'll try that :) |
| 19:45.48 | maquis | nanosleep? |
| 19:45.52 | maquis | wazzat? |
| 19:46.02 | jlp_work | lets the process sleep for less than 1 second |
| 19:46.19 | jlp_work | the normal sleep(2) system call has a granularity of one second |
| 19:46.50 | jlp_work | nanosleep is usually implemented with select or setitimer or something like that... maybe it's it's own system call on linux |
| 19:46.59 | emcnabb | anyone here use skype? |
| 19:47.05 | maquis | it looks like it's getting into some sort of loop because it pauses at nanosleep 5 or 6 times while starting up |
| 19:47.55 | jlp_work | hmmm, appears nanosleep(2) is a posix thing now. cool. |
| 19:48.16 | jlp_work | try stracing on a machine where it works okay, see if those calls are consistent or not |
| 19:48.36 | jlp_work | are you running ntp on your debian box? it's not a vps or something like that, is it? |
| 19:49.33 | maquis | not running ntp, i think |
| 19:50.18 | jlp_work | could you have a weird HZ value in your kernel? |
| 19:50.33 | maquis | it seems like it's taking quite a while (almost a full second) on nanosleep({2,0}) (or something to that effect... i'm opening up the dump i made of the strace |
| 19:50.36 | maquis | HZ? |
| 19:51.11 | maquis | nanosleep({1, 0}, {1, 0}) |
| 19:51.23 | jlp_work | HZ == the clock granularity timer in the kernel... probably a red herring. looks like nanosleep is being told to pause for a second |
| 19:51.42 | maquis | why would it be told to pause for a full second? |
| 19:51.52 | jlp_work | no idea :-( |
| 19:52.03 | maquis | and only in screen :) |
| 19:52.27 | jlp_work | I don't know why vim would be calling nanosleep in any case |
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| 19:54.11 | maquis | jlp_work: in the non-screen version, it only calls nanosleep once, and it's nanosleep({0, 10000000}, 0) |
| 19:54.44 | maquis | in the screen version, it calls nanosleep once with that, and then multiple times with nanosleep({1, 0}, {1, 0}) |
| 19:55.10 | maquis | (both tests run on the same machine, loading the same file) |
| 19:56.47 | jlp_work | according to the code, it's calling nanosleep in a function mch_delay which it calls while waiting for a child process(?) or running a shell command |
| 19:57.51 | jlp_work | got anything weird in your .vimrc (or system vimrc)? it doesn't hang if you start it on that machine outside of screen? |
| 19:58.21 | maquis | both of the short nanosleeps have SIGCHLD (Child Exited) right afterwards |
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| 19:58.36 | maquis | this doesn't hang on the same machine, opening the same file, if i'm not in screen |
| 19:59.06 | maquis | i did strace both ways, while opening the same file, and the results were reasonably different |
| 19:59.29 | jlp_work | anything weird in your .vimrc (or system vimrc)? something that might be running a child process? is it specific to the file you're editing? maybe related to syntax highlighting? |
| 19:59.41 | maquis | and i don't think there's anything weird in the vimrc... the only time it would run another program is if it's a doc file.... |
| 19:59.45 | maquis | it's not document specific |
| 20:00.13 | maquis | i've tried it running just vim (no file associated) and with opening various files, some previously-existing, and some new... |
| 20:00.19 | maquis | same problem with all of the different methods |
| 20:00.21 | jlp_work | hmmm |
| 20:00.28 | jlp_work | you do have interesting problems, maquis |
| 20:00.32 | maquis | :) |
| 20:02.38 | maquis | the long nanosleeps (which only occur if i'm in screen) seem to come right after rt_sigprocmask and rt_sigaction, and before opening up a socket to /var/run/.nscd_socket (which returns no such file or directory) |
| 20:03.35 | maquis | although, before the rt_sigprocmask, there's another socket connection that doesn't exist in the non-screen version |
| 20:04.07 | maquis | in the non-screen version, the /var/run/.nscd_socket connection is the only one that occurs (and it fails with the same error) |
| 20:04.49 | jlp_work | here's something to try... start up screen, then type "unset WINDOW", then run vim |
| 20:05.08 | maquis | but in the screen version, it's trying to connect to 127.0.0.1:6011 and getting connection refused... (and doing this multiple times) |
| 20:05.48 | maquis | jlp_work: still took a while |
| 20:05.55 | maquis | i counted to 5 while it was loading :) |
| 20:06.09 | jlp_work | I'm looking at things in the environment that might be different under screen... |
| 20:06.42 | jlp_work | when you tried TERM=vt100 vim, it might not have been a good test (screen appears to set TERMCAP, as well, at least on my machine) |
| 20:06.56 | maquis | i'm guessing the problem is related to it trying to connect to port 6011 and getting connection refused, because that's the main thing i see that's noticeably different in the strace right around the nanosleeps |
| 20:07.10 | jlp_work | so try "unset TERMCAP" then "TERM=vt100 vim" (assuming you use a shell that understands that syntax) |
| 20:07.51 | maquis | i'm using zsh |
| 20:07.54 | maquis | i can try bash |
| 20:08.07 | jlp_work | zsh should handle sh style environment settings, I would think |
| 20:08.22 | maquis | still taking a while to load it |
| 20:08.47 | maquis | jlp_work: do you have any idea what's on port 6011 that vim might need to create a socket to? |
| 20:10.20 | maquis | because it never tries to open that connection when it's not in screen, but it goes into a loop trying to make the connection when it is in screen (and the sleeping is occurring inside that loop) |
| 20:10.43 | jlp_work | no idea... I would think 6011 would be related to X... hey |
| 20:11.04 | maquis | ho! |
| 20:11.07 | jlp_work | you're ssh-ing in? what's your DISPLAY setting? (x forwarding turned on?) |
| 20:11.10 | maquis | torriem figured it out |
| 20:11.16 | maquis | if i unset DISPLAY it works |
| 20:11.40 | jlp_work | it's probably trying to figure out your window size |
| 20:12.00 | maquis | why does it still have problems when i'm actually physically at the box? |
| 20:12.17 | jlp_work | because screen also supports varying window sizes? |
| 20:12.31 | maquis | that must be it |
| 20:12.41 | maquis | weird |
| 20:13.29 | maquis | jlp_work: thanks for helping with that :) |
| 20:13.40 | jlp_work | not sure how much help I was |
| 20:13.49 | maquis | i guess vim must have some sort of check to see whether it's in screen or something? |
| 20:14.05 | jlp_work | perhaps it's trying to set the title bar? |
| 20:14.17 | jlp_work | "status line" in termcap/terminfo lingo |
| 20:14.23 | maquis | but i don't have a title-bar |
| 20:14.44 | jlp_work | but maybe it thinks you might? :-) |
| 20:14.49 | maquis | :) |
| 20:15.56 | jlp_work | screen's termcap includes a status line (vt100 probably does, too, so that didn't help) |
| 20:22.23 | maquis | hmmm |
| 20:22.46 | maquis | if i had X turned on on the machine i'm running vim on, would it not have the problem? |
| 20:23.20 | maquis | hmmm |
| 20:23.39 | maquis | looks like i'll need to set up X on that machine before i can test, so i'll move that to another day :) |
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| 20:44.58 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
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| 23:20.05 | maquis | haha |
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| 23:35.39 | levi | I'm reading Stevey's Drunken Blog Rants, which are pretty amusing and insightful. |
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